is it ok to feed kids on low carb with me?

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mouses Sun 16-Feb-14 09:39:54

hi
was wondering if its ok to feed the dcs on the low carb diet with me?
(not as in A DIET but the choice of food?)

would it be a healthier option for them or not a good idea as they will need carbs for the long school days?

Snowdown Sun 16-Feb-14 10:19:22

I don't think it'll do them any harm to eat rice or potatoes along side low carb food. our food, that's what I do anyway. My dcs are skinny so food for them is all about nutrition density, fuel and of course flavour.

kotinka Sun 16-Feb-14 10:25:47

hi, low carbing does increase stress on the kidneys due to the higher quantity of protein. Also, if you're planning on giving them a carbohydrate with your higher fat, higher protein meals you may notice they gain weight.

personally, I wouldn't do it, but I think it's a good idea to reduce processed carbs in a child's diet.

Snowdown Sun 16-Feb-14 10:29:19

Kotinka - are you talking about a high protein diet as opposed to a low carb diet...they are different - low carb is high fat, normal protein....no damage to kidneys. Can you give us a link to your source of information?

kotinka Sun 16-Feb-14 10:31:41

Snowdon, I'm talking about Atkins, which is a low carb diet that is based on reducing carbs to 20 to 50g per day, increasing fat intake and increasing protein intake.

BIWI Sun 16-Feb-14 10:32:06

It depends what you mean by 'low carb'! Cutting down on processed carbs, like pasta/bread and sugar can only be a good thing. But children do need energy and - presumably - yours don't need to lose weight?

I'd focus on making sure that you keep meals based around protein and veg/salad, rather than being pasta/rice-based meals. Look at how often they are eating carbs in things like bread/cereal/crisps as well. And don't fall into the trap of giving them lots of fruit to snack on. Although there's good stuff in fruit, it is (mostly) high in sugar (i.e. carbs). Berries are fine. But if they're using fruit to snack on, switch that to veg - e.g. cucumber, celery, carrot sticks.

Don't buy them fizzy drinks (whether diet or not), if you can possibly help it, and also make sure that they eating a high fat diet. Don't buy any low fat stuff, as it's usually padded out with sugar to make it palatable.

Biscuits, sweets and chocolates are not great, but it's also very hard to not allow children treats like these - and you really don't want to vilify them, otherwise they will only want them more. Just avoid having too much of it in the house, too often.

In general we all eat way too much carbohydrate, so cutting down is always a good thing.

kotinka Sun 16-Feb-14 10:35:57

also Snowdon, I didn't say it damages kidneys, I said a diet higher in protein puts an extra load on the kidneys. I'll root put links later.

Snowdown Sun 16-Feb-14 10:40:03

There are lots of versions of low carb and Atkins is not something I know much about - I follow a more Paleo approach - unprocessed food with loads of veg, meat, very little sugar. Kids get full fat yoghurt, unpasteurised cheese, chips in lard, mash with butter, rice etc. they are thriving on this diet of real food and their size has not altered apart from upwards. But diet is a personal thing and we all have different requirements, IMO you can't do much worse in diets terms than processed food.

Snowdown Sun 16-Feb-14 10:41:24

What effect does the extra load have on the body, if it doesn't damage the kidneys?

RawCoconutMacaroon Sun 16-Feb-14 10:42:29

Increasing protein does not damage your kidneys unless you happen to have a kidney condition already.

Paleo, primal (ie natural, unprocessed foods) way of eating, which is grain free (if that's what you mean by low carb), means lots of veg, some fruits and nuts, plenty of eggs and meat/fish daily. Plenty of natural unprocessed fats too.

If you are eating mostly "clean" food as above, your kidneys, liver and other bodily organs with thank you for it - they are not having to metabolise and get rid of the nasty chemical junk that is in most processed food.

Our kids eats eat mostly what we do, with a bit more carb (white rice, white and sweet potato). This is a great diet fir kids - full of fat and protein and veg for growth, and largely without junk. Of course it's safe... The majority of what passes for "food" in supermarkets these days probably isn't!!!

kotinka Sun 16-Feb-14 11:28:26

I love the real food approach for kids, there's way too much hidden sugar and crap in most pre-made food.

What effect does the extra load have on the body, if it doesn't damage the kidneys?

On atkins, even if you don't increase your fluid intake, you'll notice you wee much more frequently. And if you don't increase your fluid intake to compensate for that you get the classic "carb flu" (anecdotal) symptoms of headache, dehydration, low energy. Atkins can get a little complicated because you need to keep an eye on your minerals & vitamins.

I try to aim for real food and complex carbs for my kids but trying to keep them to a limit for mass marketed cereals and treats is a battle!

mouses Sun 16-Feb-14 11:51:44

hi

sorry what I mean by low carb is replacing the ever so repetitive mash, chips, rice and pasta side to a meal. with cauli mash/ rice, spaghetti squash...

its what Im going to be doing and didn't know wether it would be ok for the dcs or just keep theirs the same.

I did read about the high protein and kidney stress that's one of the reasons im asking too.

my dd does like her fruit, so will cut it down.
fizzy drinks don't pass my front door! the rarely or ever have it, they are allowed crisp and a sweet but theres no 'treat' cupboard as it would be eaten by me blush by them in no time!

RawCoconutMacaroon Sun 16-Feb-14 13:28:32

IMO (as someone who does eat Paleo/primal), fruit for kids (especially if their carb intake is lower than in a SAD/standard diet, is good and healthy unless they are eating huge amounts.

Less so for adults who are overweight and/or metabolically damaged (which is almost everyone who is overweight!). Even after losing 6stones and gaining a lot of health with this woe, I am careful with fruit. I rarely have more than 1 portion a day and that's usually berries. Lots of coloured Veg is the better choice.

I think one really easy way to reduce overall carbohydrate level in anyone's diet, adults as well as kids, is to stop buying any kind of breakfast cereal or other manufactured breakfast food... And start eating a cooked breakfast. In one move, that reduces carb consumption by a third!

Yes, it's a bit of a hassle to start with fitting it in with the school run.
What I do is pre cook a batch of sausages (wheat free ones are easily available at tesco, marks and Spenser), I roast them in the oven for about 25 min as it's easier than frying, 2 packets at a time, and store in the fridge. 2 or 3 sausages per DC go in the microwave while eggs (in butter!) fry in the pan.
It's actually very quick once you are into the routine of it.
Our 16 yo was very resistant to giving up his gf cereal, but in the 3 months since he did, he says his concentration at school as improved a lot as he's not starving by breaktime.

BIWI Sun 16-Feb-14 13:30:51

Absolutely agree with that, RawCoconutMacaroon. Breakfast cereal with a glass of fruit juice is possibly the worst way to start the day, from the POV of blood sugars. Yet it is so widely touted as a 'healthy' start to the day!

pixiegumboot Sun 16-Feb-14 13:36:05

So porridge is a no no?

RawCoconutMacaroon Sun 16-Feb-14 13:37:00

Indeed BIWI, I call the cereal section at the supermarket " the wal of death", there is miles of the stuff, mostly with LOW FAT and WHOLEGRAIN emblazoned on the box... This may be an oversimplification but typically anything with those two phrases on the front of the packet is full of junk and should be left on the shelf!

RawCoconutMacaroon Sun 16-Feb-14 14:03:27

Pixie, oatmeal (rough) is better than most breakfast cereals (instant stuff is just as bad because it's very fine ground and will raise blood sugar just as fast as coco pops or similar). So oatmeal will digest slower and fill yup up for longer BUT it's still cereal based carbohydrate... For a lot of reasons, cereal carbs are less healthy than veg and fruit carbs.

What you eat, of course, is your choice but if you are interested in WHY people should be treating official dietary advice with a large pinch of (unprocessed mineral) salt, there are lots of good blogs (a surprising number written by doctors and scientist), which are sensible and informative.

Try googling the following Marks Daily Apple, diet doctor.com, robbwolf.com, Dr John Briffa, Dr Zoe Harcombe

They are not saying exactly the same thing, but all can be summarised as "eat real food", and "eat the food humans evolved to eat".

mouses Sun 16-Feb-14 14:12:54

hmm, I thought I was doing ok re breakfast, I have Weetabix or porridge? one of my ds's likes branflakes and the other 2 are keen on the not so good cocopops or wheetos blush

id love to cook a breakfast, but my eldest leaves house at 7:10am for school and id doubt if I woke them all up any earlier they wouldn't be up for food that early?
also, my dd and ds2 wont eat sausages or egg sad whats an other option of cooked? actually dd is really fussy hmm

pixiegumboot Sun 16-Feb-14 14:13:33

I largely agree with most of those threads and blogs I can see & uderstand the science. But when I did low carb before xmas (then had a 'normal' Christmas) I put all the weight back on + more in 2 weeks!!!! So I'm a bit unsure of the whole thing now....

RawCoconutMacaroon Sun 16-Feb-14 14:16:50

You

RawCoconutMacaroon Sun 16-Feb-14 14:18:54

You put the weight back on because you returned to eating the diet that made you put on weight in the first place? Is that what you mean?... Well any lifestyle chance only works as long as you keep doing it!!!

pixiegumboot Sun 16-Feb-14 14:22:59

Yes I know, I guess what I'm saying is that it happened so quickly. 4months to get off, two weeks to put on....any woe surely has to fit in with RL surely?
Sorry OP for hijack

teaandthorazine Sun 16-Feb-14 14:24:20

Low carb isn't a magic spell! You have to continue eating low carb to get the benefits of low carb - including weight loss. Go back to eating the food that made you overweight in the first place and, guess what? You'll put on weight again.

Ds eats mostly what I eat, though we've not cracked the cereal conundrum yet if I'm honest. A low-carb/paleo/primal WOE is fine for kids - no child ever came to harm by not eating processed food and sugar at every meal...

teaandthorazine Sun 16-Feb-14 14:25:41

Sorry pixie, cross post!

Yes, it does go back on quickly. But Christmas eating isn't really 'real life' eating anyway is it? At least, not in my house grin

mouses Sun 16-Feb-14 14:27:22

so, is fruit and fibre of my list then? sad

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