Next Low Carb Bootcamp starts on 5 May!

(397 Posts)
BecauseImWoeufIt Sun 20-Apr-14 22:55:46

If you're interested in joining us, sign up here. Bootcamp lasts for 10 weeks, and starts with two strict weeks, before you move on to Bootcamp Light for the remaining 8 weeks.

You aren't allowed to eat:

potatoes
pasta
rice/noodles
bread
sugar
flour

And for the first two weeks you can't eat fruit or drink alcohol

The idea behind Bootcamp is that whilst it should be strict (and therefore, hopefully, work!) that it should also be easy - therefore there is no weighing or counting of anything. Just ten rules that you need to follow.

So if you're interested - put your name down here!

BecauseImWoeufIt Sun 20-Apr-14 23:10:15

To give you a bit more information, here are the rules of Bootcamp (the first two weeks)

1.Eat three, proper meals a day. You must eat breakfast. It doesn’t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you’re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn’t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food, and focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals – meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Maximise your fat intake. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food – this is where your carbs should come from. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don’t have to weigh/count carbs – this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you’re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Minimal dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but only in small amounts.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day. The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol

8.No fruit

9.No nuts/seeds

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

ariadnestar Sun 20-Apr-14 23:20:47

I'm in - no more carby twatdom!

VikingLady Sun 20-Apr-14 23:24:24

I'm in!

I have to go gluten and dairy free soon anyway (bf DD with possible intolerances) so hoping to tie it in with losing weight and not feeling so hard done by.

Did this last year and lost 3 dress sizes - another couple to go!

CQ Sun 20-Apr-14 23:27:16

I'm scared but interested. I live for bread & potatoes. But am already off alcohol and have cut right back on fruit so I'm halfway there I guess. I have about 4 stone to lose.

Quick question - why is dairy restricted but not butter?

Count me in then. Gulp.

BecauseImWoeufIt Sun 20-Apr-14 23:30:05

Dairy - milk, cream and cheese - can cause people intolerances, although butter doesn't, because most of the milk proteins are removed.

here's a good link to explain why

Hissy Sun 20-Apr-14 23:32:28

Haven't looked into this before, but I know I need to break the relationship I have with carbs/sugar.

Will there be suggestions of what can be sensibly eaten etc?

I'm in.

BecauseImWoeufIt Sun 20-Apr-14 23:33:50

There will be, Hissy. I'll get everything sorted out and will post a thread about a week/10 days before we're due to start, so you can plan/shop for it.

piscivorous Sun 20-Apr-14 23:34:25

I'm in but am on holiday from 10th May so will have to start early then take a break

FeathersMcGraw Sun 20-Apr-14 23:42:16

I'm in...I think.

I picked up a running injury before Christmas and managed to put on 2 stone of comfort eating. Thankfully healed now so am back working on my fitness levels.

How does low-carbing work with running & biking?

Custardo Sun 20-Apr-14 23:43:56

on on holiday

but i like to check in from time to time

has anyone can a set of under 10 carb recipes i can pinch?

going on a drastic for two weeks until i hit franky & benny's at Gatwick

BecauseImWoeufIt Sun 20-Apr-14 23:47:07

Per recipe or per day? If you go to the Spreadsheet and look at the ubercamp plan (tabs on the bottom of the spreadsheet) there are plans for 3 days which are all well under 20g carbs per day.

BecauseImWoeufIt Sun 20-Apr-14 23:48:29

Feathers - you will find it very hard going to start with, until your body switches from burning carbs to burning fat. This should only take around 2 weeks, but can take up to 4 weeks. However, once you have made the switch, you will find that you have much more energy, and you won't need to constantly 'refuel' with energy bars/drinks, etc. No more bonking!

Parsnipcake Mon 21-Apr-14 07:16:18

I'm in. I really need to focus on upping my water and I have been eating lots of cheese and nuts which I think has slowed me down a bit over the past couple of weeks.

ohforfoxsake Mon 21-Apr-14 07:30:16

Perfect timing, I'm in. Haven't been to the gym for the best part of 2 weeks and eaten tonnes of refined carbs. Energy levels are at an all time low and I have a really bad candida imbalance.

Looking forward to getting on track.

Seri77 Mon 21-Apr-14 07:58:12

Sign me up.

sueh95 Mon 21-Apr-14 07:59:01

I'm in - just been on the scales - wish I hadn't!!!

Ruprekt Mon 21-Apr-14 09:45:14

Me too. smile

FeathersMcGraw Mon 21-Apr-14 10:07:51

Thanks, BIWI. In that case I'm in!

Can't be any worse at running than I am now smile

gennibugs Mon 21-Apr-14 10:18:01

Me please.

Lurked on the previous boot camp so I'm glad this one is starting and I can join in properly.

Ive tried before but I think my one big hurdle is that I hate hate hate eggs so always struggled with breakfast and gave up. Yoghurt just didn't fill me up.

Strangely excited!

BecauseImWoeufIt Mon 21-Apr-14 11:13:27

Feathers - if you're interested, there's a really good book called "The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance" by Drs Volek and Phinny. It was written specifically for athletes and explains why low carbing is, in fact, a better way to eat if you're training hard for something. 'Hitting the wall' or 'bonking' are phrases used to describe the point at which your body runs out of energy from carbs - and you have totally depleted your glycogen stores, hence having to take on board energy bars/drinks, etc.

Whereas if you're burning your fat for fuel, you will have more than enough as a source of energy - even if you're slim.

OverlookedConfection Mon 21-Apr-14 11:17:03

Me please

Am starting now though as I have a weekend away in mid may which will not be BC compatible.

BewitchedBotheredandBewildered Mon 21-Apr-14 11:25:59

I'm really pleased to get this chance to thank you for these threads BIWI.

I started the last bootcamp in early January but hardly posted on progress.

I wasn't hugely overweight but all my clothes were starting to feel tighter, and I've got a big event mid-May so gave it a bash.

I struggled quite a bit for first 2 weeks, couldn't eat enough fat, and didn't give up wine. It took till week 4 to start falling but I've gone from 10 stone-ish to 9 stone and am very pleased.

I didn't make things any easier by switching to 50/50 roll-ups and vaping, from 30 normal cigs a day!

Just as an aside, I had a cholesterol test just before Xmas and all the results were higher than acceptable. I was prescribed Statins, again, but didn't take them.

By mid-March all 4 measurements were down 20% and the consultant had assumed that I had taken the statins! BP down too.

So, flowers[gin]flowers for you BIWI smile

And good luck everyone, persevere, it works.

Ruprekt Mon 21-Apr-14 11:30:24

Great story Bewitched! smilesmile

((However, no gin allowed on bootcamp! Rofl gringrin))

Ooh yay sign me up please! Been looking forward to this grin

BecauseImWoeufIt Mon 21-Apr-14 13:39:08

Gin you say? Well, Bootcamp hasn't started yet ...

grin

cousinsandra Mon 21-Apr-14 14:56:00

Me please! Have been reading the last bootcamp thread and attempting Atkins type menus... but could do with inspiration!

MariaJenny Mon 21-Apr-14 18:06:38

I may try IF I can manage to stay off the fruit and nuts/raisins (I eat loads of those).

Wishiwashelenmirren Mon 21-Apr-14 18:10:49

<shuffles everyone up and plonks fat arse on bench>
Here. Thank goodness, SO need this!

guineapig1 Mon 21-Apr-14 18:11:10

Please count me in, watched the last thread with interest!

Bugsylugs Mon 21-Apr-14 18:47:01

Me again please Easter has been full of carb rot as been at brothers

Lambzig Mon 21-Apr-14 18:58:28

Me please, have lost 8lbs in the last five weeks but now completely plateaued and have another 10lb to lose.

FeathersMcGraw Mon 21-Apr-14 19:07:59

Thanks for the book tip, BIWI smile

Lhamo09 Mon 21-Apr-14 20:27:27

I'd like to join too please.

LowCarbHeaven Mon 21-Apr-14 20:36:29

I am going to give its bash. Have tried low carb before but never managed as it always gave me an upset stomach. Does anyone know how long you have to stick at it till that passes? hmm

JimmyCorkhill Mon 21-Apr-14 20:43:56

Me, me, me! I lurked on the last one and I've been waiting and waiting for this to come along. Only prob is that I'm on holiday the 1st week. I will try my best to do it but may be limited to what's there. Just to warn you I will be asking LOTS of questions wink

BecauseImWoeufIt Mon 21-Apr-14 21:51:04

LCH - when do you get the upset stomach?

BecauseImWoeufIt Mon 21-Apr-14 21:51:58

Jimmy - don't worry about the questions! First, I will start a specific thread for questions, and second, there will be lots of support on the main threads.

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 21-Apr-14 22:01:12

<shuffles in>

justkeeponsmiling Mon 21-Apr-14 23:28:03

Hiya, I'm really interested but I'm a) vegetarian and b) on a budget, so I'm wondering if this would be possible for me to follow? smile

trice Mon 21-Apr-14 23:37:13

I am going to have another go at this for May. Resisted the wine this evening which was a good start.

Woo hoo! Please sign me up to. I've been LC'ing for 5 weeks now, and would love to join in with a proper bootcamp.

justkeeponsmiling Tue 22-Apr-14 08:32:28

Sorry, I should have said, I actually eat fish. So not a proper vegetarian!

BecauseImWoeufIt Tue 22-Apr-14 08:53:41
splodgeness Tue 22-Apr-14 09:12:02

Oooh good. I am in. I have started this WOE again two weeks ago and already lost 6 pounds, but by 5th May I will be needing some inspiration and support. Bring it on BIWI.

outtolunchagain Tue 22-Apr-14 12:55:52

I'm definitely in , have fallen by the wayside over Easter and keen to get back into things .

JimmyCorkhill Tue 22-Apr-14 15:23:28

Okay, bit nerdy but I have --made a chart--looked at my calendar and noted down any events that may trip me up during the bootcamp. One is non negotiable - SILs wedding. The others are I suppose down to me. 2 holidays/music festival/couple of meals with friends.

How much damage do you do the whole process if you come off it every now and again?

JimmyCorkhill Tue 22-Apr-14 15:24:00

made a chart tut blush

LittleMissDisorganized Tue 22-Apr-14 17:37:19

I'm in too!!
Bewitched I'm currently reading 'The Cholesterol con' by Dr Malcolm Kendrick. Eye-opening. Stay strong wrt your statin decision.
I started in January after a terrible year last year with addictive comfort eating. I'm 23lb down, about 5-6lb between bootcamps which I'm quite chuffed about, but artificial sweeteners and seeds/nuts have been creeping in. Time for a crack down! Thanks BIWI for your enthusiasm and tireless question answering.
I have a holiday with a wedding in June, so will not be quite as solid. Never mind, life happens and it is a good reason to be off (as opposed to eating my feelings, not good).

I'm in. Started yesterday by pure coincidence, currently battling carb flu and sloshing due to water intake. Had a tomato halfway to my mouth before I realized (but otherwise been very good)..... Going to need some help.....

SayraT Tue 22-Apr-14 19:53:37

Woohoo! Count me in again grin excited about BC starting.

pippitysqueakity Tue 22-Apr-14 20:44:11

Dropped out of last one after losing half stone in 2 wks, then just...bleh.
Need to start again! Thanks Biwi.

BecauseImWoeufIt Tue 22-Apr-14 21:31:44

Jimmy - once you're keto-adapted, i.e. you have switched your body from burning carbs to burning fat, which takes generally around 2 weeks (the first couple of weeks of Bootcamp are designed to help you achieve this), then occasional forays off the wagon shouldn't be too detrimental - as long as you are very disciplined about getting back on the wagon and not letting the carbs creep back into your diet.

JimmyCorkhill Tue 22-Apr-14 21:54:00

That is excellent news, thank you!

BecauseImWoeufIt Tue 22-Apr-14 21:56:53

Although I should point out that you won't know how it's going to affect you until you try it! Some people seem to get away with more than others. It's one of the frustrating things about low carbing - there isn't a hard and fast rule for how many carbs you can/should be eating. Everyone is different!

In other words, this isn't giving you carte blanche to stuff your face with chocolate every day

FanDanceLil Tue 22-Apr-14 22:10:58

I'd like to join in. Slightly hampered by an underactive thyroid which has helped me gain 5 stone in 5 years sad (cake may have also been involved wink).

BIWI Tue 22-Apr-14 22:12:12

Are you on medication for that, FanDance? If so, you should take some advice from your GP about starting this.

FanDanceLil Tue 22-Apr-14 22:16:31

Yes I'm taking Thyroxine but I'm at a steady dosage and bloods are back in normal range. Gp has advised me to lose weight but suggested weight watchers or similar which does seem to work for me.

Stars66 Tue 22-Apr-14 22:23:44

Interested. I've just come to the conclusion that I'm a fad dieter. wink

FanDanceLil Tue 22-Apr-14 22:30:35

*doesn't seem to work

BIWI Wed 23-Apr-14 06:36:32

Well, Stars66, you're in the wrong place. This is not a fad diet, but a way of eating.

FanDance - I hope this does work for you! But still best to tell your GP you're doing this. It's worth doing some reading about low carbing first, though, so that you're convinced by the science behind it - otherwise, if he/she dismisses low carb then it's easy to be put off.

wickedfairy Wed 23-Apr-14 11:01:02

Sign me up please! I was on the last one and lost about 9lbs early on but then was abroad for 4weeks, ate whAt I wanted then didn't rejoin!!

I only have put a couple of pounds on though, do not too bad! Looking forward to starting again, thanks BIWIsmilesmilesmile

VivaLeBeaver Wed 23-Apr-14 11:03:53

I'd like to join. I'm a total carb addict so will find it tough.

Any ideas of what to eat for packed lunches? Salad all the way? Can I eat lentils?

GermanGirlinLondon Wed 23-Apr-14 11:11:33

Hello, please count me in. I lost 20lbs on the last bootcamp, but then went back on the contraception pill and the weight loss stopped for nearly two months. I then stopped taking it and lost another 2lbs in less than two weeks. All went well until the LO's Christening and my Easter trip to Germany. I returned this morning and I am 11lbs heavier than I was on the morning of the Christening 11 days ago. I feel horrible. Started LC this morning again and looking forward to join the BC on the 5th.

muffinheaven Wed 23-Apr-14 19:25:04

Sign me up please. I lost nearly a stone this time last year but it has all crept back on and I really need some motivation to try and shift it. Looking forward to feeling healthier again !!!

Jesuisunepapillon Wed 23-Apr-14 19:45:43

I will join in but slightly have to adapt it for myself. I had a binge eating disorder and I find if I'm too strict I fall back into that (did a Whole 30 last year and it was great but massively triggered my binging for the first time in years).

So I will probably start with bootcamp light and lurk if that's ok. I think a little dark chocolate and some nuts help me keep going with it in a more sensible fashion and I manage not to eat huge quantities.

wombat22 Wed 23-Apr-14 20:06:24

<creeps in> Hello, i'd like to join please. I lurked throughout the last boot camp and tried doing it myself. I didn't do very well but I'm determined this time. Are tomatoes not allowed because they're fruit? confused

F1onajb Wed 23-Apr-14 21:35:03

Can I join please? I really need to lose my weight as I can't fit into any of my clothes. My eating has been very bad sad

BIWI Wed 23-Apr-14 21:40:55

That sounds like a good idea, Jesuisunepapillon.

EvaTheOptimist Wed 23-Apr-14 22:00:15

As far as I'm aware tomatoes are allowed.

Oh thank god (and BIWI). Gone right off the wagon and need some discipline! I'm in.....

Wishiwashelenmirren Wed 23-Apr-14 22:56:25

Have started weaning myself off carbs, trying to make the transition to bootcamp go smoothly. So today ryvita instead of toast with brekkie, no carbs with lunch, just one apple as snack and - hardest of all - no choccie with eve coffee! Helps as well that I have my DS home from uni, a true carb addict, eating my cupboards clear for me!

mirpuppet Thu 24-Apr-14 05:48:28

I'm in.

Ohwhatfuckeryisthis Thu 24-Apr-14 06:41:40

Oh go on. Did Atkins years ago and it did work, just a pain by myself.

RatherBeOnThePiste Thu 24-Apr-14 11:59:37

I've started already, had been off the wagon over the Easter weekend, but now back on bootcamp light until we start properly, and am somewhat going through carb withdrawal at the mo. Lost a stone on the last Bootcamp, and I feel so much healthier without processed carbs, especially bread of any kind, really do like this woe, so bring it on.

swlondonnanny Thu 24-Apr-14 21:36:01

I'll join you as well smile
Just curious BIWI why you suggested to discuss it with doctor in case of hypothyroid? I have had it for nearly 30 years, am on medication but it goes up and down. Whenever I tried LC in worked for me ( well, my version of it as I still eat fruit) so just wondering if I am doing myself some harm.
First time it was recommended to me by my acupuncturist who is a nutritionist so thought it was Ok?

BIWI Thu 24-Apr-14 21:49:10

Because, as I'm not a medic, nor a scientist, nutritionist or dietician, I don't want someone starting to do Bootcamp who has any kind of medical condition that might be compromised by doing it.

Following a low carb diet affects the impact of hormones, and thus can also interfere with the drugs that people might be taking.

I do not want to be held responsible for a change in someone's condition because they have changed their diet without changing their drug regime!

If you're in good health then there's no problem with low carbing, but if you're taking drugs that affect things like your blood pressure or your thyroid, then it makes sense to talk to the GP first.

I'm in, I've been doing dukan and this will fit in with the next phase smile

Lighthousekeeping Thu 24-Apr-14 22:06:14

I'm back in! Got a wedding 24th may and have fallen of the wagon.

LittleMissDisorganized Fri 25-Apr-14 12:09:12

I also think, BIWI, that even if one was a doctor ;) that the standard advice of checking with your doctor is wise if you have: more than 20% body weight to lose/ BMI over 35; are diabetic managed by diet/ tablets/ insulin; have other metabolic disorders, such as hypo/hyperthyroidism, hyperlipidaemia.

Whether your doctor will be the slightest bit of use/ trot out the standard NHS diet advice/ witter on about cholesterol and saturated fats and statins is another matter (no, yes and yes, probably...) but on the interweb where you have to take responsibility for what advice you take, seeing your doctor remains good advice. It's optional, and as swlondonnanny points out by being a handy case study the vast majority of people will be fine.

BIWI Fri 25-Apr-14 13:34:00

Thank you wink

OverlookedConfection Fri 25-Apr-14 14:18:49

It is very exciting. I have had success on previous bootcamps (under different names) and am looking forward to this one. I am underway already and have just had some ham and cheese for lunch. Delicious.

People who have followed other diets in the past, esp WW with their fake food and Dukan with the horrid Muller lights, are in for such a treat.

Be prepared to wee like a racehorse though!

oldnewmummy Fri 25-Apr-14 15:58:23

I'm in!

noidia Fri 25-Apr-14 16:01:09

Yes, please!

swlondonnanny Fri 25-Apr-14 16:18:13

Thank you BIWI and littlemiss I had my share of discussions with NHS dietitian who was trying to prove that if I don't eat bread and cereals my body will be lacking in minerals and vitamins ( so had to have quite a few blood test just to prove her wrong!).
Also I have my thyroid checked at least every 3 months ( or whenever I don't feel 'right') and the medication adjusted if/when needed.
I talked to my GP briefly about my diet when I was anaemic ( lost quite a bit of blood when I miscarried so nothing to do with my diet) and she had now problem with me not eating procesed food / grains and eating vegetables/meat/ oily fishg fruit etc ( just said not to each too much fruit as too sugary/ too many calories etc if I want to loose weight).
I was asking why you recommended to discuss with GP just because I thought there might be some new research proving that hyporthyroid and low carbing don't go together - I noticed that you have loads of knowledge about low carbing and nutrition so genuinely thought there might be something I missed.

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Fri 25-Apr-14 16:20:09

Im in! Again! grin

PseudoBadger Fri 25-Apr-14 16:58:16

I'm in again smile

40islooming Fri 25-Apr-14 17:21:30

I'm in again too! Without the weekly weigh-ins and the weekly thread to lurk on I've become a bit of a carby twat blush.

BIWI Fri 25-Apr-14 20:09:27

swlondonnanny - the thing is, I don't really have loads of knowledge! It's all based on stuff I've read over the years, as well as my own experience of low carbing. But I'm very aware of my responsibilities in this whole thing, and it would be foolhardy and very irresponsible of me to not warn people that if they are taking long-term medication that they need to check all this out with their GP

EvaTheOptimist Fri 25-Apr-14 20:24:51

swlondonnanny your GP sounds very enlightened! A link I saw on a previous bootcamp is this:

drcate.com/going-low-carb-too-fast-may-trigger-thyroid-troubles-and-hormone-imbalance/

which seems to say - give it a more gradual start if you have thyroid issues, then you avoid becoming a hibernating bear.

ladygagoo Fri 25-Apr-14 20:37:20

just a little hypothyroid shout out to Swlondon. I have followed the last bootcamp while having my thyroxine levels adjusted. I can most definitely say that had I not been following bootcamp & a high fat/low carb way of eating then I would've been in a whole heap of bloated overweight crapness by now. It's so much easier to cope with fatigue, hair loss and rubbish skin when you are prancing about in your first ever pair of size 10 jeans grin My doctor also had nothing negative to say about this way of eating.
(disclaimer - I'm not a doctor either so check with yours first)

Thank you BIWI & I'm most definitely in for the next bootcamp

swlondonnanny Fri 25-Apr-14 21:22:48

Thank you Eva really interesting read

teawithlemon Sat 26-Apr-14 07:45:55

Thank God, so need this!

Mumelie Sat 26-Apr-14 13:50:05

Count me in. I do follow a reasonably low carb diet but need a push to drop a few more lbs before the summer!

lookingforhope Sat 26-Apr-14 16:32:04

Count me in! Have just been on holiday and the sight of myself in a swimming costume made me want to throw myself off the balcony (though did have a good time!) Will need lots of advice though, especially on what to eat for a quick breakfast when don't have time to make eggs etc before work - ideally need something I can eat at my desk, lunches and dinners not such an issue. Also, two questions - 1) can I have almond milk with protein powder and 2) where can I find the allowed vegetable list?

Thanks grin - really need to do this!

BIWI Sat 26-Apr-14 16:33:47

If you look at the spreadsheet for the last Bootcamp you'll find the allowed veg list on one of the tabs at the bottom

StuntNun Sat 26-Apr-14 17:06:47

Count me in! I've been low carb for 10 months now and could do with a pre-summer holiday motivating kick up the bum.

jumpinghoops Sat 26-Apr-14 17:30:21

Yes, yes, yes I'm in. I've just skimmed the thread so far so apologies if this has been asked already. BIWI I see above you suggest reading up on low carb as a general intro in advance. Are there any particular titles you recommend?

BIWI Sat 26-Apr-14 17:34:51

Oh yes!

"Escape the Diet Trap" by Dr John Briffa. A more general book about food/eating, but explains the science behind low carbing really well and is easy to read

"Dr Atkins; The New Diet Revolution" - Atkins' diet is actually quite complicated, but this is a really good book in terms of explaining low carbing, and has some recipes in there as well

"The New High Protein Diet" Dr Charles Clark

"The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Eating" and "The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance" by Drs Volek and Phinny. The first of these books was written for the medical profession, so some of the science is a bit involved! The second one was written for people who are seriously into sport - but there's some really interesting stuff here about various pieces of research that they have done into the impact of low carbing

"The Diet Delusion" ("Good Calories Bad Calories" in the US) by Gary Taubes; a massive tome, and a really well researched book. Takes a while to get through, but it's not difficult to read

"Why We Get Fat (and what to do about it)" also by Gary Taubes; a slightly more user-friendly book

That little lot should serve you well!

Maryz Sat 26-Apr-14 19:14:36

Helloooo, I fell very heavily (ha ha) off the last one when one of the kids decided to force me to the edge of insanity, so I'm determined to do it properly this time.

But because I'm going on holidays before the end of June I won't manage all ten weeks, so I'm starting early.

Twit Sat 26-Apr-14 19:16:08

I'm in please smile

EvaTheOptimist Sat 26-Apr-14 21:45:37

Another reading option is the Idiot Proof Diet and its linked Cookbook by India Knight and Neris Thomas: some differences to the bootcamp way of eating but basically the same principles and its very readable on "this is how it feels" and encouraging too.

Comfyonesie22 Sun 27-Apr-14 11:45:11

I'd like to join in as well, please! Can I just check this is ok to do while bf (DD is 10 wks), I'm presuming yes as it's not a starvation diet or anything. I need to lose 2 stone of baby weight....I haven't lost any - in fact I weigh 1lb more than the day after she was born hmm. Nice to meet you all!

BIWI Sun 27-Apr-14 13:47:51

Yes, it's fine to do Comfy - it's definitely not a starvation diet grin In fact you will be quite amazed as to how much lovely food you can eat.

Some on previous Bootcamp threads who have been breastfeeding have started with Bootcamp Light rather than Bootcamp - a slightly more relaxed way of low carbing, which allows some fruit (berries) and nuts/seeds.

Ruprekt Sun 27-Apr-14 13:49:22

Had a smoked mackerel omelette for lunch. smile

DulcetMoans Sun 27-Apr-14 16:25:05

Ok, I've been reading and I think I am in. Need to do something to lose this last stone!

It's looking tough to me though, especially snacks as I eat a lot of fruit and nuts. Hoping the boot amp can get me there though, and some good planning!

BIWI Sun 27-Apr-14 16:52:18

Thing is, Dulcet, one of the great advantages of low carbing is that it suppresses your appetite, so you won't be hungry between meals, and therefore you won't need to snack as much.

And the first two weeks are tough. It's not called Bootcamp for nothing! However, they are also very effective.

StringBeanJean Sun 27-Apr-14 17:58:40

Can I sign up please? Have been a-lurking on the bootcamp thread and feel ready to take the plunge. This is perfect timing for my hols. The first two weeks scare me slightly though, particularly the low cheese factor. Apols if this has already been posted up-thread but a link to recipes would be much appreciated so I can get as prepared as poss.

Am actually looking forward to this with you all!

BIWI Sun 27-Apr-14 18:04:29
StringBeanJean Sun 27-Apr-14 18:08:08

Wow, have just see the spreadsheet! Ignore my request for recipes, I think I'll be fine now grin

StringBeanJean Sun 27-Apr-14 18:08:40

Thanks BIWI grin

DulcetMoans Sun 27-Apr-14 18:32:41

Well that's good then biwi, if I don't need to snack even better!

Lighthousekeeping Sun 27-Apr-14 18:50:27

I've just done my shop. I really have to start cracking on with doing some cooking fir work. Does anyone know the best scales to buy? I don't trust my cheap Argos ones.

NationMcKinley Sun 27-Apr-14 19:02:38

Hellooo! Please can I join? I'm a bit nervous though as I'm a total low carb virgin. I was a size 10 seven years ago but 3 children and a fondness for eating has buggered that right up and I really need to address the issue. Like one of the previous posters, I eat fish but no meat. Thanks BIWI smile

Yama Sun 27-Apr-14 19:16:30

Hi folks, I did the January 2013 Bootcamp and then maintained until the Christmas period where I piled a few pounds on.

Anyway, I started my own Bootcamp last Monday which was long overdue.

I have to say, I feel so much better. Even though I was still low-carbing, I feel as though this last week has 're-set' my system.

It's amazing how carb creep can weigh you down.

BrokenToeOuch Sun 27-Apr-14 19:25:31

This looks great, but way too restrictive for our family. I think they would kick me out if I withdrew bread, pasta and potatoes. Even just one of those might tip dp over the edge!
Good luck though everybody smile

jumpinghoops Sun 27-Apr-14 19:29:55

Thanks BIWI that's very helpful.

CockBollocks Sun 27-Apr-14 20:22:13

Can I join but in the wrong week? Didn't realise this thread was here and have started today sad

Don't want to wait as feeling unusually motivated!!!

HumptyBumpty Sun 27-Apr-14 20:32:38

Hello, could I join in please? Lurked on the last bootcamp thread and am finally feeling brave enough to sign up. Lost 3 stone following the South Beach diet four years ago but put it all back on while pregnant with DD - she's about to turn one and I currently weigh the same as I did this time a year ago so need to do something about it!

BIWI Sun 27-Apr-14 20:36:05

BrokenToeOuch - nothing to stop you low carbing whilst cooking for the rest of the family! I do this all the time.

If I'm doing a roast, say, then I have the meet and whatever veg is low carb - leeks, broccoli, cabbage, asparagus, cauliflower, spinach, etc - but just don't have the potatoes. Or if I'm doing spaghetti Bolognese, I have the sauce but without the pasta. I might have it on some finely shredded, boiled cabbage, which makes a surprisingly good replacement for spaghetti. Or have it on its own with lots of Parmesan on the top.

Yama Sun 27-Apr-14 20:42:32

BrokenToe - dh and I low carb, the kids don't. Actually, our 8 year eats a much lower carb diet than most children. Our 3 year old loves his carbs.

Like BIWI, I just substitute the carb element of a meal with veg:

Cauliflower rice
Shredded cabbage
Salad
Courgette and carrot strips - fried
Turnip chips
Broccoli

Iamfrankieheck Sun 27-Apr-14 20:53:53

I'd like to join too. I'm so in grin

SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice Sun 27-Apr-14 20:57:07

Can I join in again please grin?

I lost a stone on the last bootcamp and I was mentally ready for a break after that so I've been mainly low carb interspersed with a few mindful treats since then.

I need to get back on the straight and narrow!

I'm in . Will ease myself in this week for hardcore next week.

I have joined before , and it worked, suited me, but i thought that it caused me stomach pains and issues, after my doctor told me that this was the case as I have no gall bladder I must avoid fat. A year on and continuous stomach issues and weight gain since- I have ibs. Managed stupidly easily by one tablet a day. Bread turns out to be a trigger for said ibshmm. And my cholesterol after those months following doctors diet is higher than ever. He told me to switch to diet drinks and raised a disbelieving eyebrow when I said I don't drink fizzy drinks anyway. Lost all faith in them tbh, though I suppose they should get credit for their eventual diagnosis of the ibs, they have still failed miserably to help me to lose the weight they say I desperately need to. Sorry for the rant.

I know this woe works, I know it can be hard, but I will be happier for it. Roll on May 5 thgrin

Grumble moan grumble moan, Im here.

BIWI I only have my smartphone so cant add my weights etc to the spreadsheet. Can I bribe you to do it for me?!

Babs48 Sun 27-Apr-14 21:40:47

Can I join please?

I have a thread in AIBU at the moment which pointed me here.

doglover Sun 27-Apr-14 21:46:19

May I join ,please? Just read Babs48 thread and it's inspired me!

OverlookedConfection Sun 27-Apr-14 21:47:12

Babs, I am so glad to see you here. I am sure you will find the support here which you need. Bootcampers are invariably lovely, supportive and non judgmental. We all have our own ishoos, and try to see others' points of view and help them through

[am a regular bootcamper assuming a new name, in case anyone is wondering. I should say inner gobbler and SMS as a kind of password smile]

WHy don't you have a read through the rules which BIWI linked to and the recipes to see what lovely grub is coming your way?

Swex Sun 27-Apr-14 21:57:21

Bleurgh. I'm sadly in. Have a lot of post baby weight to lose.

But I need to ask if ok to do when bf. or if it do a slightly modified one with some dairy and carbs?

Thx

Fannydabbydozey Sun 27-Apr-14 21:57:28

Can I join? I'm horrified at how big I've got. I lost loads low carbing about 6 years ago. Time to get back there. I'm going to ease in tomorrow though as like the poster above I am feeling motivated.

What did it for me before was doing nightshifts. I found low carbing on them really impossible.

BIWI Sun 27-Apr-14 22:00:07

Babs grin flowers

BIWI Sun 27-Apr-14 22:00:56

Swex - you should be fine doing low carbing and breastfeeding. You might want to start with Bootcamp Light, though.

BrokenToeOuch Sun 27-Apr-14 22:01:41

Thanks for the suggestions to get around eating with the family.
However, I try to be quite careful about not eating differently from the DDs who are at impressionable ages, and I can't be arsed to explain to them why I'd be eating different foods to them without making them (not consciously maybe) think they shouldn't be eating potatoes/pasta etc. I don't think low carbing is for me, but it looks brilliant and obviously has great results smile
I have another stone to lose, lost four in the last 18 months just by exercising more and cutting right back on booze, eating a lot cleaner and all the rest of it. But this last stone is going to be tricky!

BIWI Sun 27-Apr-14 22:12:40

Right, everybody. Tomorrow I'll be posting a long post about what Bootcamp means. If you've done Bootcamp before, apologies if you've heard it all before!

But it's really important that you know what to expect and that you can start planning for it. It might be cheesey, but it's absolutely true when they say 'failing to plan is planning to fail'!

And can I direct you to the spreadsheet The weights here are, obviously, out of date - but the information on the tabs at the bottom of the spreadsheet are very worth reading, especially if you're new to low carbing.

If you are a newbie, you really need to expect to have your head blown! Everything that you think is 'true' is about to be challenged.

No more low fat. No more calorie counting. And 'yay' to full fat.

There is no link between eating saturated fat and death from coronary heart disease, despite what you think you have been told. We shall be embracing full fat.

You can enjoy the delights of butter, olive oil, cream and cheese without feeling guilty. Eat the fat on your lamb chops and crunch away on pork crackling.

Oh, and you can and should eat salt too!

The only caveat I shall make here - and it is a really important one - is that if you're on any kind of long term medication for something like high blood pressure, or a thyroid problem - then you really need to talk to your GP before you start to do this.

If you're a diabetic, or pre-diabetic - whilst this WOE (way of eating) can only help you, you need to be prepared for the established world to tell you that this is a dangerous way of eating.

Make sure that you read up on all the resources on the spreadsheet so that you can inform yourself about this WOE, so that you can make decisions for yourself.

But - and this is the most important thing - I am not a doctor. I am not a scientist. I have no medical training, nor am I a nutritionist or a dietician. Everything I post here is based on what I had read and learnt and experienced over the last 10 years. If you have any doubts at all about anything you read on these threads, then please talk to your GP

Standingonlego Sun 27-Apr-14 22:15:40

Count me in. DH has lost 4 stone and is lightest he has been in 15 years due to cutting out the carbs but it has just meant extra bread for me blush. Doing it a part of a gang will be great.

antimatter Sun 27-Apr-14 22:47:32

Count me in! I am reading your notes on the spreadsheets.
Thanks for organizing it!

Isabeller Mon 28-Apr-14 00:33:50

I need to get medical advice first but if I can do it I am in (yikes!)

Swex Mon 28-Apr-14 00:35:36

Ok then. Sign me up.

alleypalley Mon 28-Apr-14 00:36:58

Count me in too please. (I've also followed the link from Babs thread).

I had a few very stressful months, and then my comfort eating and drinking became habit. Now I'm sitting on the sofa with my jeans undone because it's more comfy. After throwing away all my size 16 clothes last year I refuse to start buying them again.

spamm Mon 28-Apr-14 01:04:45

My name is Spamm and I need help. I am in. I look forward to reading about Bootcamp. My problem is I eat too much, my portions are far too generous, but I feel the need to fill a gap which does not really exist.

I have just been diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes and I need to do something about it. I will be working with my doctor on sorting out my medication and getting help from a Diabetes team, but I need some handholding and cheering on.

Biwi - I have "known" you for years and know you are a cool and clever lady, so I look forward to learning from you. By the way, am based in the USA now, so I will always be on here later than most due to the time difference.

Nobodyputsbabyinthecorne Mon 28-Apr-14 01:17:26

Right, I'm in too. I'm still carrying the extra 10kg from when DD was born - she's 4.5 now!

I've got a big holiday at the end of the year so have promised myself it will all be gone by then - sooner would be better!

I watched the last one with interest but think its time I joined in too please!

BIWI Mon 28-Apr-14 07:33:41

Hello spamm!

If you've just been diagnosed with diabetes, then this way of eating should really help you to get your blood sugars under control. However you may well find that you are given totally contradictory advice by your diabetes team. It would be a really good idea to have a read of lots of the low carb stuff to make sure you know what you're getting into.

Dr Briffa's blog is a good place to start and there's a good post here to illustrate the point I'm trying to make

BIWI Mon 28-Apr-14 07:34:07

Welcome to everyone else as well! Looks like it's going to be busy in here grin

RedlipsAndSlippers Mon 28-Apr-14 07:40:58

I'm nervous but in. My only issue is a tight budget since no one else in the household needs to lose weight, so I'll be buying separate food. Would love to lose a bit extra before return to work!

ada1 Mon 28-Apr-14 08:31:58

First post ever to say count me in. Just having my first workout today since having my second child. Scarrryyyy blush

DangerousMouse Mon 28-Apr-14 08:39:11

Can I join in please? I did bootcamp in Jan 13 and lost loads, I went on holiday happy in a swim suit and didn't have sweaty rubbing thighs! Unfortunatly the holiday was all inclusive and I have been living an all inclusive lifestyle since and have put all the weight back on, maybe a little more as well.

The thing is - it's my wedding at the end of June, we're getting married in Italy and I have the most beautiful dress, it's with the dressmakers at the moment making it larger but I so want them to have to take it in before we go. I'm not sure how much I can lose in 6 weeks, but anything is better than nothing.. Just so pissed off with myself for undoing all the good work, I was really pleased with my figure for the first time in 15 years. Now I feel like shit again.

Sorry for the rambling post!

DangerousMouse Mon 28-Apr-14 08:40:18

Is there still a wonderful spreadsheet?

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 28-Apr-14 09:06:00

Morning smile

SociallyAcceptableCookie Mon 28-Apr-14 09:18:36

I'm in!

Jesuisunepapillon Mon 28-Apr-14 09:50:01

I went to a party in Saturday. I was a Carby twat, I had known for a month I was going and that I would allow myself to eat what I wanted. I ate 2 cupcakes and a choc biscuit and some bread and cheese, but you know what, most of it was disgusting. Really, really sweet, made me feel bleugh the next day and the whole time I was eating it I was thinking I'd rather be tucking into something low carb which actually tasted nice. The biscuits were mostly nutella and I thought I'd be in heaven eating them, but they just didn't taste of much.

I also bought a dress in a size 14 (was once 22-24) and it is really a bit too big for me. I am desperate to get to a 12, I've never been a 12 as an adult. I sent a picture of myself in it to my mum and she was nearly in tears. (I have a disability and weight loss is very slow for me and extra challenging)

Trying to think of some nice meals to get me through the next few weeks with fewer cheats. Especially things like avocados and some nice cheeses.

Jesuisunepapillon Mon 28-Apr-14 09:53:06

Oh and babs, I just read your thread, and you are in the right place. I have lost about 6 stone (not all on this woe, but this has been the easiest and most dramatic woe for me, never going back to low fat). I just wanted to say you can do this, your life will get good in ways you can't even imagine and a year from now I just know you will feel bloody fantastic and so very proud of yourself.

BIWI Mon 28-Apr-14 10:23:12

Redlips - no need for you to eat anything different from your family - all you're doing is not eating the carbs that they might be - like potatoes. You can eat extra low carb veg, or salad, if you want. The key to success in this WOE, IMVHO and IME is when you make it as normal as possible. It won't do the rest of your family any harm to eat fewer carbs either. It's not just about losing weight, it's also about better health.

Somanyillustrations Mon 28-Apr-14 10:27:05

Can I do this whilst BF a 3 week old? I piled on the weight this pregnancy, and need to think about shifting it. Craving cake and chocolate hourly...

curiousgeorgie Mon 28-Apr-14 10:37:43

I'm in!

I started with you all in January previously and did brilliantly for 2 weeks, then got pneumonia and fell off the wagon when I was better!

I'm going to Florida in September and really want to make a difference to myself before then!

slimsoon Mon 28-Apr-14 11:45:39

I am in .
I was following 54wks to lose 54 lbs thead but everyone left sad and I got lonely.

Lost 28 1bs in 17wks and have another 30lbs to go.
I have done it all on low carbs/primal eating whilst cooking for a family.
Everyone is eating heathier food.
The only challenge I have so far -going to a "dinner" party when pizza was the only meal option and on aeroplanes.
I have just ordered gluten free meal for a flight next week , plus will pack meat and salad in case. Will report back.

ada1 Mon 28-Apr-14 11:50:51

Please how do we start? Do we have to sign in to a different page?

BIWI Mon 28-Apr-14 12:48:24

ada1 - I will start a new thread called something like May Low Carb Bootcamp, Week 1.

TiaDalma Mon 28-Apr-14 13:12:39

<deep breath>
Count me in! I know I'm going to struggle, I eat high carbs with every meal, I'm quite very fussy with food and absolutely can't cook. But I have this last stubborn stone to loose. Ds is now 2 and it is about time I was back in my pre-pregnancy jeans!
I'm already thinking what meals I can have, this is how my train of thought went...
Mmmm I could have bacon ... And sausages .... And egg ... Ouuuu that's sounds lovely with some toast to dip in the egg. confused

alleypalley Mon 28-Apr-14 13:26:57

Quick question Biwi as I couldn't see it on the spreadsheet. Is soya milk ok to have?

LittleMissDisorganized Mon 28-Apr-14 14:13:23

I use soya milk alley - personally I think it's fine, it's lower carb I think than double cream tho doesn't have the fat in. Soya yogurt is a mixed blessing, alpro soya cream is nice in coffee.

alleypalley Mon 28-Apr-14 15:48:02

Thanks LittleMiss. I get through a lot of coffee a day and don't really like it black.

JimmyCorkhill Mon 28-Apr-14 16:05:46

Redlips, I have been moving over to this WOE for a few months and probably spend less now on food than before. I no longer snack or buy 'treats', I simply eat my meals and that's enough.

LittleMissDisorganized Mon 28-Apr-14 16:05:59

I managed to cut my coffee right down - as per the rules, obviously ;) and I recommend it only so that you have more chance to drink all the water and are less dependent on something for the way that you feel (ie. awake!) - but if you can't then soya milk - unsweeteened by the way - is probably the best thing to put in it IMO. Are you intolerant or is it just by choice?

ada1 Mon 28-Apr-14 16:15:44

Great biwi I will look forward to it. Need to start on the shopping list to get ready

alleypalley Mon 28-Apr-14 16:48:04

Oh I missed the bit about cutting down on coffee. Soya milk by choice, not intolerant. I'll cut down then and try more water, and maybe fruit teas instead, I assume they're ok?

When I've detoxed before I've got terrible headaches from caffeine withdrawal so I may need to cut down gradually. smile

MooncupMadness Mon 28-Apr-14 17:08:36

<sneaks in>

Lost 2 stone 2 years ago and have managed to keep it off. However I still have another 3 stone to shift before I'm at a healthy weight for my height. I did Atkins years ago and got on quite well with it.

I can't cope with calorie counting; I don't have much of an 'off' button when it comes to food - I can just eat and keep going if I like something blush

Uplateagain Mon 28-Apr-14 17:29:45

Me too! V excited - so need to do this!

FanDanceLil Mon 28-Apr-14 19:43:35

I have taken Biwi's advice and spoke with my GP. He didn't see a problem with me trying low carb but obviously advised vigilance if I start to feeling symptoms.
I've been making changes to my diet for 2 weeks now after reading Eat Yourself Thin but I've downloaded Dr.Briffa's book and I'm working my way through the science bit smile.

Hissy Mon 28-Apr-14 19:43:46

Can I just check, it's ok to drink black coffee? Black tea?

Bought my fave lidl Greek yoghurt today in readiness. NOT the low fat one.

smile

MissTFied Mon 28-Apr-14 21:19:00

I'm in.

I am generally a healthy eater (I don't eat bread, pasta, rice and potatoes, no alcohol) but have taken to stuffing my face with sweets and chocolate of an evening, totally undoing my day's good work of exercise and a healthy breakfast and lunch. I am someone who needs structure.

What I will miss is my morning oats, nuts, berries and cinnamon, made with hot water. Can I have this on bootcamp light after the two weeks, or is it no oats ever again?

ArtiBartfast Mon 28-Apr-14 21:35:18

think its about time I admitted the romance has gone, farewell tasty treats. I'm in

weaseleyes Mon 28-Apr-14 21:35:58

Can I join, please? I lost just over 3 stone low-carbing last year, but have lapsed. I also need to lose another 4 stone eventually.

BIWI Mon 28-Apr-14 21:45:32

MissTFied - no oats during Bootcamp at all. But you will be able to have (some) nuts and berries when you're in Bootcamp Light.

Lhamo09 Mon 28-Apr-14 22:17:51

Jesuisunepapillon your post has really inspired me, well done on your weight loss.

Angnurse Mon 28-Apr-14 22:21:10

Please add me . Just joined need some motivation xx

ImSoOverIt Mon 28-Apr-14 22:23:40

I'm in! Did the last bootcamp, but stopped as I was spending too much money - however I'm so fat now from eating cheap carbs that I have to go back! smile

Angnurse Mon 28-Apr-14 22:26:09

I'm in x

I'd like to join. I've done Atkins in the past and it did shift my sugar cravings. I'm still a stone more than I was before my baby was born, and still have around three stone to shift in total. Bring it on! Thanks BIWI.

GermanGirlinLondon Tue 29-Apr-14 09:17:04

slimsoon
Do you fly with Virgin Atlantic? I always order their gluten free food and I haven't been disappointed. Apart from the GF bread roll I got every time it was okay carb wise and the portions aren't massive either.

BIWI Tue 29-Apr-14 09:54:37

I'm aware that it's a bank holiday on Monday, by the way - so if people want to make their official start on Tuesday that's OK too.

RatherBeOnThePiste Tue 29-Apr-14 10:01:03

Already underway here

<slosh>

RedlipsAndSlippers Tue 29-Apr-14 13:59:57

Thanks BIWI and Jimmy, feeling quite positive about the whole thing now smile Some of the recipes look lovely!

slimsoon Tue 29-Apr-14 14:09:52

germangirlinlondon

I am flying with Gulf Air, who skimp on food generally . I have tried gluten free on Emirates and Qatar and both were ok.

RoaringForties Tue 29-Apr-14 15:11:09

Brilliant, can't wait to banish the carb creep since the last bootcamp.
thanks Biwi

StreetSussSerenade Tue 29-Apr-14 16:04:56

I'm in too - I lost several stone low-carbing a few years ago but with one thing and another I now find I need to lose them all again, along with the friends they have picked up along the way.

Maryz Tue 29-Apr-14 16:58:59

<sloshes alongside Pistey>

I spent half an hour in the "healthy" aisle of Tesco today, without finding anything without at least 50% carbs hmm. Am I right in saying the only low-carb snack available in a "buy and eat" form is pork scratchings?

And no-one in Ireland sells them, apart from M&S who have them occasionally.

I've started in earnest today having shopped. Looking forward to salmon with coriander mayonnaise and spicy stir fry veg for tea. Can't waitgrin

CockBollocks Tue 29-Apr-14 17:36:50

Well I'm with you pregnant I'm on day three.

StuntNun Tue 29-Apr-14 18:32:46
BIWI Tue 29-Apr-14 18:34:45

Don't M&S have those individual portions of cheese, Maryz? They're really useful when I'm travelling - I often grab a couple of those.

Jesuisunepapillon Tue 29-Apr-14 18:36:28

Thank you Lhamo09, I'm very proud of myself!! Just so hopeful I can get the last stone and a half off.

Have started here already too. Eggs for breakfast (had a custard apple too, but I'm not giving up fruit. It was amazing), mackerel and salad for lunch and have some roast chicken for supper. Have food being delivered tonight and have treated myself to a few things like bacon and some avocadoes. I definitely think going back to your favourite treats is a good thing when you're trying to get stricter.

Maryz Tue 29-Apr-14 18:41:56

Trouble is I like to keep a snack in the car to stop the petrol station urges cheese, ham etc is fine in winter, but in summer it's a disaster as is fruit.

I'm currently searching for edible shoe leather beef jerky

Those look yum, StuntNun. I will add some to my next order.

OverlookedConfection Tue 29-Apr-14 19:09:20

Asda does good pork crackling for about 2 quid so worth getting if you have an asda nearby. It is great for staving off pangs though you do need the crackling one and not the airy puffs of crackling that you get on pubs.

BIWI Tue 29-Apr-14 19:39:07

Maryz - if you're having to prepare to snack that much it would suggest that you're not eating enough! Or not eating enough fat/protein at mealtimes.

petalsandstars Tue 29-Apr-14 19:40:55

Stuck on the last stone to go with ww so signing up for something different. Also breastfeeding though so will "light" be explained?

Maryz Tue 29-Apr-14 19:55:52

I don't usually actually snack BIWI, but I'm out all day a lot and unless I'm organised and take food I tend to be sitting around waiting for some child or other at about 5 pm, and the temptation to go and buy something is very strong.

I actually find that if I have food, I don't want to eat it - I'm not usually hungry, just bored. If there is no available food I suddenly feel (probably psychologically) starving, if that makes sense.

Last time I had a packet of M&S pork scratchings in my glove compartment for weeks. I suppose I'm like an ex-smoker who keeps a packet with one in it grin

No asda near me, unfortunately Overlooked.

BIWI Tue 29-Apr-14 19:58:19

What about packets of nuts? Obviously not for the first two weeks of Bootcamp, but after that you could do it - almonds and macadamias are best.

Maryz Tue 29-Apr-14 20:12:49

Yes, that's what I did last time.

I'm just flabberghasted at the neverending supply of carby snacks - it just shows how good at marketing the carb/sugar companies have been over the years, convincing us that if they said "low fat" on the packet it was healthy.

I remember my mum saying once that the best pre-packaged snack was an orange, closely followed by a banana - and when we were kids that's what we got as a "snack" to take out with us. Nowadays there are so many "healthy snacks" to choose from, and all of them crap hmm

BIWI Tue 29-Apr-14 20:14:45

I know. The world is definitely not made for low carbers. But it does give you an insight into why so many people are overweight!

MintyCoolMojito Tue 29-Apr-14 20:24:06

I have decided that the key to success is that I need to be very, very organised. So I am going to spend the rest of this week doing some meal planning, so I know exactly what I need to buy and prep. I work quite long hours so tend to eat breakfast and lunch at work. Lunch is OK - as there's always the salad bar and a packet of cold cuts if necessary, but breakfast is where I really struggle!

Arriety Tue 29-Apr-14 20:29:14

Yes please! Have done Bootcamp in a previous incarnation and it definitely works for me.

OverlookedConfection Tue 29-Apr-14 20:30:05

Marks and Spencer do good one person packets of nuts which might fill the gap if you need something to snack on. I like babybels too but they get a bit sweaty in the heat.

Pepperamis etc are also good although in BC we are trying to steer clear of processed food so perhaps not ideal for that. Useful if it avoids eating a packet of biscuits though.

readyforno2 Tue 29-Apr-14 20:32:54

I'd like to join too.
I'm currently low carbing and have restricted my calories to 1000.
I'm going to a personal trainer twice a week and aerobics twice a week too. I'm three pounds off the three stone mark but seem to have hit a brick wall.
I'm new to all this.. How does it work?

BIWI Tue 29-Apr-14 20:49:33

readyforno2 - you don't need to worry about counting calories on this WOE - and 1000 is really low! Do you have much to lose?

BIWI Tue 29-Apr-14 20:50:03

Oh, and if you scroll up to the first couple of posts you'll find the rules!

readyforno2 Tue 29-Apr-14 20:55:47

I would love to lose another three stone. I'm getting married in November and don't want to look back at photos and wish I'd done more.

readyforno2 Tue 29-Apr-14 20:56:54

Or lost more I should say.
I'll have a proper read through.
Thanks

BIWI Tue 29-Apr-14 20:57:24

Have a look at the last Bootcamp spreadsheet

Look at the tabs at the bottom and you'll find the rules, with a bit more information/explanation of them, as well as all kinds of other information about low carbing.

readyforno2 Tue 29-Apr-14 21:05:40

So is it a weekly weigh in? With measurements etc. too?
Sorry if I'm being stupid

BIWI Tue 29-Apr-14 21:10:38

Yes, weekly - every Monday, starting next Monday.

Taking measurements is a good idea, although you don't share those.

Maryz Tue 29-Apr-14 21:11:48

BIWI, where do we enter weights etc? I wanted to check what weight I was when we got the shiny new area, which I think was January?

But I can't find it, I can only find the chat threads.

BIWI Tue 29-Apr-14 21:17:03

should sort you out, Maryz

I've emailed MNHQ to ask if they set up a new weight tracker from Monday, so I'll let you know.

Maryz Tue 29-Apr-14 21:20:18

Thank you, where did you find that?

Maryz Tue 29-Apr-14 21:23:18

Oh, dear, so I'm the same weight as I was in January. I suppose that's better than being heavier, it's been a tough few months.

How I wish I was one of those lucky people who lose weight when they are worried/stressed/miserable - instead I eat hmm.

BIWI Tue 29-Apr-14 21:28:05

address is www . mumsnet.com / bootcamp - without the spaces, obviously!

readyforno2 Tue 29-Apr-14 21:33:12

I'm the same maryz. I'm such an emotional eater.

CockBollocks Tue 29-Apr-14 22:40:13

Tonight I had chicken strips and roasted butternut squash on a pile of raw spinach. Feta sprinkled on top and a dressing made of vinegar, olive oil and tarragon.

Twas very lovely smile

Best. Username. EVER.

Swex Wed 30-Apr-14 01:22:07

Morning all. I am going to have to gracefully remove myself from the lists. Kelly mom doesn't recommend low carb diets for bf, as it can decrease supply. I shall have to middle through in some other way! Wish me luck...

Thumbwitch Wed 30-Apr-14 01:48:00

Swex, I've been bf'ing DS2 throughout, and it hasn't caused me any problem; and I know others have done the same. But if you feel you have to bow out, then that's entirely your choice. If you're having supply problems, have you tried fennel tea? I find it very useful. smile

Just joining in here to say hello and will be back on Bootcamp next week.

And to mention that DS2 has decided he really likes my favourite omelette - courgette and mushrooms fried in butter and garlic salt with cheese on top. I was just having one for brunch, and he was eyeing me up and licking his lips, so I let him have some, not expecting him to like it but he was like a little bird with it - opening his mouth for more! I'm going to have to make them with 3 eggs from now on so he can have some of his own, by the look of it grin

teawithlemon Wed 30-Apr-14 06:15:21

Morning, will I need to enter my name on the spreadsheet or will names be transferred across after the first weigh in on Monday? Sorry if this has already been answered, in a rush for work!

StuntNun Wed 30-Apr-14 06:32:02

Swex I low carbed and breastfed for 11 months without any supply issues. As long as you are getting enough calories your supply won't be affected so if you follow the eat when you're hungry rule you will be fine. The adaptions I made for breastfeeding were: start on Bootcamp light; take a supplement such as Pregnacare Breastfeeding; make sure you keep snacks on your bedside table for night feeds for the first week or two.

BIWI Wed 30-Apr-14 06:40:36

I wonder why 'kelly mom' doesn't recommend it? I can't see why, as long as you're getting your carbs from vegetables and salad, that it isn't a way of eating that would work with breast feeding? After all, it's what our ancestors would have been doing before we became an agricultural/grain-making population!

RatherBeOnThePiste Wed 30-Apr-14 06:48:40

Morning smile

Loving that penguin Maryz grin

<slosh>

We'll I'm on day three, though on Monday I ate 51g carbs so not proper boot camp (as eating off the allowed list I would have had to eat loads more than I did to get that much carbs- it was parsnips, and a tablespoon of cous cous in a salad i had made in Sunday that did it) and yesterday I properly boot camped. I'm not hungry. smile I had to eat yesterday evening as I hadn't had the third meal , but I wasn't hungry for it. I'm not hungry now . It's bizarre , greatgrin, but bizarre.

WhooshFuckerFairy Wed 30-Apr-14 08:18:03

<dashes in.... puts name down......dashes out >

More later...... still on old bootcamp thread chatting away.... can't believe there are 10 pages unread and a whole host of new names to learn.

Hello all !

Thumbwitch Wed 30-Apr-14 11:19:36

BIWI - I would imagine that Kellymom etc. are confusing low carbing with Atkins-style "no carbing" - which could be counterproductive, I suppose - although why it would affect supply I don't know confused as the body is geared to prioritise milk production, and the quality of the milk changes very little in relation to actual diet.

I'm still vaguely doing lowish carbing but not being at all strict. Next week...

Anglepoisetramp Wed 30-Apr-14 11:39:40

I'm in! I lost my way towards the end of the last one as we were without a kitchen for a while, but seem to have maintained the early loss and made some serious changes. I don't seem to really fancy carbs any more shock Thank you BIWI!

<runs in doing the low carb hakka, runs out>

WhooshFuckerFairy Wed 30-Apr-14 13:35:21

Just found something else for orgasmic list ....
Celery with cream cheese mixed with marmite on ! ( happened by mistake slovenly housekeeping skills

BIWI Wed 30-Apr-14 14:56:24

I had a lovely dinner last night, which I've just enjoyed for lunch as well:

Salmon fillets, marinated for c. 20 minutes in a foil parcel with lemon juice and olive oil, then roasted for 20 minutes (still in foil parcel), with courgettes, aubergine and black olives in tomato sauce, with a home-made mayo/salad cream.

Totally yummy.

Lighthousekeeping Wed 30-Apr-14 15:16:58

I've just had tesco deliver me trout fillets instead of fish pie mix. Sounds like your recipe will work Just fine. I'm not too fussed on tomatoes though.

SayraT Wed 30-Apr-14 18:09:02

whoosh that will not be going on my orgasmic list! I don't like celery or marmite...can we still be friends even if we don't share an orgasmic list?

WhooshFuckerFairy Wed 30-Apr-14 18:22:22

sayra my friend - of course thanks thanks

WhooshFuckerFairy Wed 30-Apr-14 18:24:30

Right have been on track today - I have not been a Carby Twat at all - happy with myself and am off to Bodypump to make my muscles ache - Are you coming trashy

Pleaseandthankyou Wed 30-Apr-14 20:08:52

I'm in. Have eaten a lot of bread in the last few weeks after not having it for ages. The weight is piling on. For all those new comers this definitely works

SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice Wed 30-Apr-14 20:49:41

Now I have the low carb answer of how to get marmite in my life!

My world is complete.

emmoB13 Wed 30-Apr-14 20:56:45

I'd like to join please!

WhooshFuckerFairy Wed 30-Apr-14 21:16:49

Hello again beeny <waves>
I am a reincarnation of Mrs Huge Jarse from the last bootcamp ....... I waited so long for the whoosh fairy !

It's a marmite marvel ..... Really hits the spot .grin

CockBollocks Wed 30-Apr-14 21:18:03

Actually sliced a cake up ready for my mums tea guests and didn't lick my finger when a got some on my hand. I ONLY WASHED IT OFF!!

Was amazed with myself!

BIWI Wed 30-Apr-14 21:28:44

grin

WhooshFuckerFairy Wed 30-Apr-14 21:59:23

Mmmmm what do we shorten you to cockbollocks .... Calling you cock seems rather impolite grin

SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice Wed 30-Apr-14 22:02:22

Hello Mrs Huge-Whoosh! Here's to lots of huge whooshes this bootcamp grin

OverlookedConfection Thu 01-May-14 06:12:14

I can recommend Marmite on slices of cucumber for those needing a LC marmite fix smile

GermanGirlinLondon Thu 01-May-14 09:52:36

I am constantly craving chocolate at the moment. I don't even like it yet have I eaten over three lbs of chocolate in the last week. confused

Trying to be really good now and cutting it out to get the BC properly started on Monday.

petalsandstars Thu 01-May-14 10:37:09

Oh me too, every stressful moment with my threenager leads to a mouthful of chocolate!

I'm craving sweet things even though I'm completely full uphmm but I find it worrying how addicted I must be to these things - I have to leave the room if the Mars bar advert comes on, I'm almost desperate to eat sweet stuff . Hopefully the fortnight boot camp will put an end to the sugars control.

Maryz Thu 01-May-14 13:16:14

pregnant, that should (should hmm) die down.

My cravings did go away after a bit, but I think it was over two weeks before they were manageable.

RatherBeOnThePiste Thu 01-May-14 16:12:43

I didn't whoosh at all last time. I want my money back envy

I'm in that drought phase of settling in to LC that I seem to get, can't drink enough to make it better, and I know it doesn't last long, but blimey!

wine <slurp>

Twit Thu 01-May-14 16:26:52

Neither did I piste I'm hoping for better luck this time. Is decaf billet proof coffee ok? It's the only thing I had last bootcamp that was different to my first one (which was very successful)
I have decaf coffee, teaspoon of either unsalted butter (or coconut oil if I'm feeling frisky) and a splash of cream as I can't tolerate it without.
I'd like for it to be ok, as I only want something hot to drink in the mornng, don't like eating or water until a bit later.

Twit Thu 01-May-14 16:29:54

Also, might only weigh in Monday if at all. I'm going to take measurements and check my progress that way if that's ok with everyone? I'll post my numbers so we can see what happens.

adv1cen33d3d Thu 01-May-14 16:44:50

I'm in

ImSoOverIt Thu 01-May-14 17:44:06

I am being such a carby twat ATM, but somehow can't get the motivation to start til Monday...confused

Notsoskinnyminny Thu 01-May-14 17:48:23

I'm in again, need the threat of the BIWI stick to keep my on the straight and narrow.

Marmite and celery are the food of the devil along with liver grin

Ohwhatfuckeryisthis Thu 01-May-14 18:11:39

I've delayed starting as it was dds birthday and I thought we were all starting together <sulks> anyway will invest in scales tomorrow! got fridge full of food! and raring to go. Confused though-on the rules it says coffee and cream is allowed, but then only two cups a day? Also are herbal and green teas ok?

feesh Thu 01-May-14 18:11:54

Can I join too, please? I'm in the Middle East and going back to England for holidays in 10 weeks and I want to lose 10kg by then, which might be a bit of a ridiculous target, but as long as I move in the right direction I will be happy!

I am very nervous about the rules though. I'm fine with no booze or fruit, but the not too much cheese or processed meat rule scares me.

I actually spontaneously stopped eating carbs 48 hours ago without reading up on it first(!) but I already feel so much better and fuller and I'm not dizzy and irritable by the time DH gets home from work. But I have been relying on a cheese and ham lunch, and M&S ready-meals with veg for dinner......and bacon and eggs for breakfast...eek. I'm really fussy and I hate cooking (which is why I don't do diets) so these rules are a little scary!

I am very grateful to the celery and marmite suggestions- it's helped with the cravings, the thought of those foul substances in some form of devilish alliance is enough to put anyone off even a mars bargrin

feesh Thu 01-May-14 18:15:42

Another question which I've always wondered about (having never dieted before) - when people say they lost 1lb this week, how do they know? Is it my eyesight or my scales, because I can never see the scales in that much detail!! Does everyone use digital scales? Also, couldn't 1lb just be down to natural daily weight fluctuations as it is such a small amount?

I prefer to work in kg anyway, partly out of habit because that's what I'm used to weighing myself in now, and partly because I don't understand how many lbs are in a stone etc!

Twit Thu 01-May-14 19:50:00

Yes it could feesh that's why it's best to weigh once a week although most people weigh everyday anyway grin and get excited / sad depending on the results.

Twit Thu 01-May-14 19:51:47

ohwstfuckeryisthis I'm starting on Monday, I think some people are cheating getting a head start.

petalsandstars Thu 01-May-14 19:56:34

Is there going to be a new or reset spreadsheet? So beginners know where we start from.

slimsoon Thu 01-May-14 20:14:02

Is there somewhere to post your start weight?

WhooshFuckerFairy Thu 01-May-14 21:08:45

Hold your horses ' team bootcamp' biwi will start a shiney new week one thread on Monday with instructions .

LadyWithLapdog Thu 01-May-14 21:11:24

I need this again. All that good work last autumn...

Ohwhatfuckeryisthis Thu 01-May-14 21:13:44

Ok, well I thought yes tonight I'm starting. But today I had cereals for breakfast, egg gammon carrots and green beans (school dinner) some wine gums, coffee and milk, then a big carb free dinner of cod, salad, vinaigrette and poached egg. I'm hungry now. Is that cos I've mixed it up?
Anyway, low carb till Monday then bang, I'm on it.

Maryz Thu 01-May-14 21:13:53

It's not cheating Twit [huffs]

In fact us early starters are at a disadvantage as we will have done our big losses before the spreadsheet even starts, and will be stalling just as you are all motoring on. But I had to start early to finish early.

And to give me a kick, I'm going to do the next two weeks with you (so that will be four weeks strict BC) and then 6 weeks BC Light [hopeful]

BIWI Thu 01-May-14 21:16:33

There will be a new Weight Tracker, starting from Monday.

Not sure if there will be a new spreadsheet, although the old one will be available, so you can access all the information on the tabs.

Maryz Thu 01-May-14 21:20:07

But if there isn't a spreadsheet we can't see anyone else.

I liked watching people who started the same-ish as me, and I really liked seeing some people lose a lot, it gave me great hope.

BIWI Thu 01-May-14 21:23:41

I know, Maryz, but Willie can't do it this time. And I don't know if MNHQ can replicate it. They may be able to, but I'm just trying to manage expectations!

teawithlemon Thu 01-May-14 21:45:24

<hands up> question please!
I fully anticipate the carb cravings to be bad, especially when I get stressed/tired at work - carbs previously being my go-to medication. Is sugar free chewing gum ok? Or sugar free mints?

BIWI Thu 01-May-14 21:58:39

Not really, teawithlemon. On Bootcamp we're trying to eat 'clean', so no artificial ingredients, and especially no artificial sweeteners.

LadyWithLapdog Thu 01-May-14 22:00:56

Part of it is trying to get disused to the sweet taste, even artificial one.

LadyWithLapdog Thu 01-May-14 22:02:10

BIWI, can you remind me, how are lentils, split peas, other low-carb pulses?

teawithlemon Thu 01-May-14 22:05:39

<sigh> feared that might be the case. Right, will have to get on without then!

BIWI Thu 01-May-14 22:07:07

Lady - pulses aren't allowed on either Bootcamp or Bootcamp Light, I'm afraid!

LadyWithLapdog Thu 01-May-14 22:09:31

Teawithlemon - e.g. have tea with lemon smile rather than sugar. I now have black coffee w/o sweetener or sugar. I could not go back to how I had it before. A few other things that are simply too sweet now. I only did bootcamp once, I've been left with some good habits. (But, sadly, the allure of BREAD and CRISPS has made me gain a few pounds.)

Maryz Thu 01-May-14 22:14:55

Oh if Willie can't do it, I quite understand why it won't be there. She must have spent hours on it.

You have quite enough to do answering thickos like me questions.

On Monday I'm going to start a parallel thread which is simply to ask "Is it ok to eat ..."

I keep seeing things and want a very quick yes/no. Almond milk, for example.

Oh bugger I missed bodyfart whooshy

Hi to all the bootcampers new and old

My name is Trashy, I am a carb addict, I have been clean since Jan 3rd with the exception of Easter and I am a shameless selfie poster grin

LadyWithLapdog Thu 01-May-14 22:17:44

Thanks for the answer, BIWI. I thought I remembered something of the kind but I was in a supermarket today and bought some as the sugar content was 0.1 in 80g cooked or something like that so I thought it might in fact be OK.

BIWI Thu 01-May-14 22:18:41

Really? That seems very low for pulses! What was the carb count?

LadyWithLapdog Thu 01-May-14 22:24:33

It says 0.1g sugars per 80g cooked mixed soup stuff and 0.8g sugars per 180g cooked couscous.

BIWI Thu 01-May-14 22:28:48

Sorry - that can't be possible for pulses! What is the brand/what have you bought?

LadyWithLapdog Thu 01-May-14 22:33:54

I have Waitrose Love Life soup mix containing pearl barley, haricot beans, yellow split peas, green split peas, red split lentils, marrowfat peas and brown rice. 9.6g CH per cooked 80g, of which 0.1g sugars. A whopping 49.8g and 2.2g per 100g raw. Maybe that's where I get things wrong, thinking cooked quantities when in fact I use much more of the raw ingredients!!!

Maryz Thu 01-May-14 22:35:14

Is that sugars, not carbs maybe?

For example Tesco Soup and Broth Mix has 0.3g sugar, but 17.5g carbs per 100g cooked.

theQuibbler Thu 01-May-14 22:40:16

Hello - I'd like to join in. I really enjoyed the last one and lost a fair bit and have kept going and am still losing weight. However, I am getting a bit slack - picking at the children's leftover pasta for example - and could do with a short, sharp shock to the system before it gets out of hand. And I'm going on holiday in August and I need to have shifted another 2 stone (at least) by then, so bring it on smile

LadyWithLapdog Thu 01-May-14 23:03:44

Maryz - on reading the labels, yes, sugars and not carbs. But I thought it was the sugars that mattered? God, have I been doing this wrong all along?!

Maryz Thu 01-May-14 23:06:49

It's all carbs, sorry. That's the whole point of this - it isn't a calorie controlled, watch the sugar OR the fat OR the calories, it's cutting the carbs to such a degree that the body burns fat instead of glucose (or something like that).

Carbs break down into sugar, at varying rates, but the end product is the same.

BIWI will explain it properly. I understand it (just about), but I can't explain it clearly.

BIWI Thu 01-May-14 23:08:42

It's the total carb count which is the important thing. And something with that amount of pulses in it will be way, way too carby for Bootcamp. I'm sorry!

BIWI Thu 01-May-14 23:10:31

Waitrose Love Life Soup Mix:

Typical Valuesper 100g
Energy1147kj
Protein14.5g
Carbohydrate49.8g
of which sugars2.2g
Fat1.5g
of which saturates0.3g
Fibre10.6g
SodiumTraceg

Way, way, way, way too carby!!!

LadyWithLapdog Thu 01-May-14 23:16:08

Bugger! I don't believe this. It's a wonder I lost so nicely last autumn. Back to the drawing board. Thank you smile

DiscoDancer Thu 01-May-14 23:29:02

grin

ForeskinHyena Fri 02-May-14 00:07:55

Right I'm in. DP has been LCing for a few weeks now, I keep making him lovely meals and then adding spuds and bread to mine. I may as well go the whole hog as I've become a carby twat and it's not like I couldn't do with losing a couple of stone.

I've been convincing myself that I can't do it, that cake is more important than losing weight, but mostly cake is just disappointing, overly sweet and artificial tasting. I ate a whole 100g bar of Oreo Dairy Milk tonight and I feel really sick. I didn't really enjoy it, I have loads of mouth ulcers on my tongue so I couldn't even enjoy the feeling of it melting on my tongue.

I'm quick to judge drug addicts and alcoholics, but I'm addicted to fucking carbs. What a loser. hmm

piscivorous Fri 02-May-14 00:37:57

I've only got a week till my holiday and, although it takes ages for me to lose weight, I put it on so easily so will do the first week then go away, return as a fatty then start properly

ImSoOverIt Fri 02-May-14 07:42:30

Today is my last day of carby twattishness. I had a proper binge last night and I can't go on like this!

I have a free lunch at work today so can't turn that down! It will be sandwiches. Then tomorrow I will start. Saturday feels like a good day to start.

LittleMissDisorganized Fri 02-May-14 08:44:59

Hopefully, Hyena, this is a bootcamp that removes a few assumptions. I'm an alcoholic with almost 2 years in recovery, and in recovery from sugar since January with a some planned meals off. Some of our weaknesses have a higher price than others. Yes, I'm a carb (sweet stuff especially) addict too. We're all in a good place now to help each other!

And I really don't see how starting this week is cheating - Twit and ohwhat - there are lots of people from previous bootcamps that eat low carb, at least most of the time, as a way of life - hopefully in a few short weeks that's how you will feel too. So forgive us for not stopping so we can 'all start together'. I wished I'd got into LC months, years ago but I was and am glad for those who can model this being their daily eating habits, and thinking habits, over months and years to me.

LittleMissDisorganized Fri 02-May-14 08:46:04

Oh, and ImSo - you CAN turn down a free lunch and I believe you WILL be able to in a few weeks. Good luck with starting tomorrow. So many of the things I thought were reasons I discovered were excuses!

PseudoBadger Fri 02-May-14 08:57:58

Lovely to see you LittleMiss flowers

ForeskinHyena Fri 02-May-14 09:16:38

Thanks LittleMiss, I felt bad after posting that I might have offended addicts (including sugar addicts!)

When someone is addicted to alcohol or drugs I tend to think "why can't you just NOT do it when you know it's bad for you" and then I go and shove a big bar of chocolate in my face, I feel so weak.

I just want to eat 'normally' and in fact I posted on a thread about mindful eating or just letting your body dictate what you want and need. Unfortunately my body is an idiot and it's been an excuse to go completely off the rails eating all manner of crap. I need to reset my mind and body and I know LC will do that.

obrigada Fri 02-May-14 09:39:27

Morning, I would like to join you all on this bootcamp if that's ok? Going to read through the thread and prepare myself to start on Monday.

Twit Fri 02-May-14 10:47:32

I was joking littlemiss, I have been low carb for a long while now, but am waiting for the off on Monday as 'twere. grin before I weigh/measure myself.

NigellasGuest Fri 02-May-14 11:29:06

too many binges over the past months - and I've gone up a dress size or two
I am definitely in!

RatherBeOnThePiste Fri 02-May-14 12:12:22

Morning smile

piscivorous Fri 02-May-14 12:34:21

Hyena I have tried that "follow your body" approach and it doesn't work for me either. My reasoning is that I have too much matter for my mind to cope with

LittleMiss Good to see you again, glad you are still moving in the right direction

Maryz Down be downhearted that you haven't lost loads, you've had a stressful time. I always think of how it compares to where I might have been if I hadn't done this WOE which would certainly be up!

WhooshFuckerFairy Fri 02-May-14 13:30:20

Its a crazy double posting lifestyle at mo.....still clinging to last BC and must keep up with new one !

Hello to all new people, won't say hello to all in person , will tst my ' super posting ' brain !

<waves hello to Pistey> - I can feel it in my water that you will have better luck this time around.

Helo again pisci, twit and anyone else we haven't seen for a while.

Has anyone seen Athelstane ? is she a name changer at all - I worried about her, with her house move, flooding issues etc.....

Just to say that I am still a relative low carb newbie - the last one was the first one and it is really really is fabulous - i learnt a huge amount from Biwi and her band of wiseones. ( and less wise - <glances at Trashy who has now turned into a model LC'er!> Good luck to all - and I am wishing some fabulous whooshes to you all. ( and if you are unsure on what whooshes are...... biwi will fill you in on the science, but basically its when you loses weight after having waited for it for a while!)

BIWI Fri 02-May-14 14:00:27
Hissy Fri 02-May-14 14:08:14

One thing that worries me, and I suppose only time will tell, is the fat content.

i get horrific acid burn, bloating etc when I eat fatty/bready/sugary things. I am hoping removing the last 2 will enable me to eat the fat required for this LC thing.

has anyone else had this as an issue prior to LC and were they OK?

Thumbwitch Fri 02-May-14 15:24:58

I'm being Bad now so I can be better next week when we start again. That's kind of perverse, I know - but if I get it out of my system now it will be easier next week, I think.
No cherries to sidetrack me this time!

I am a wee bit worried about the mood thing though - I got very grouchy last time - and I'm still a little homicidal grouchy after jetlag and so on, coming back to Aus from the UK. DH already thinks I hate him...

BIWI Fri 02-May-14 15:27:50

I hope so, Hissy - but I'm not really too sure. I know that when I used to suffer from heartburn it was usually after I'd eaten cereal - and I don't suffer from it now. Fingers crossed for you that it will be ok!

RatherBeOnThePiste Fri 02-May-14 15:32:31

Whoosh - I heart you smile

Feeling so much better already, and am firmly on track. Starting On Monday officially, and almost where I finished last BC, which is good.

Have a challenging Sunday coming up, my DD is rowing all day, first race at 7 bloody thirty am, potential last race 7.20 pm. Need to really plan for this, as stuck at the side of a Regatta course does not lend itself to LC, tis all burgers and shit

BIWI Fri 02-May-14 15:48:11

Don't eat shit.

HTH

RatherBeOnThePiste Fri 02-May-14 15:50:38

grin

Thumbwitch Fri 02-May-14 15:53:01

grin at "don't eat shit" - indeed!

Take a packed lunch, Pistey. Hard boiled eggs, mini-babybels (I find they are pretty good even if they're out of the fridge for some time), slices of raw swede, Boursin to spread on the slices, crudités and dip (or just dip 'em in the Boursin of course - that does pretty well outside the fridge for a fair whack of time too, IME, and the softness it achieves does rather lend itself to being dipped into). Which river?

RatherBeOnThePiste Fri 02-May-14 16:05:48

Not a river course, this one's at Dorney, which is fun because they can pretend they are in the Olympics grin

RatherBeOnThePiste Fri 02-May-14 16:06:14

Need to be organised, we are leaving at 5 on Sunday FFS.

Hissy Fri 02-May-14 16:07:45

Thanks BIWI! That sounds hopeful! I think it's a combination of upset at bread/carbs/sugar that causes it, fatty food exacerbates it.

These last few days I have been more mindful and my heartburn is much less.

BC ought to give the digestion a bit of a break then I think.

Thanks

Thumbwitch Fri 02-May-14 16:19:04

Jings, that's early! Glad those days are behind me. Dorney village is fab though, have you been there before? there used to be a really nice pub there, did excellent food - then it changed hands sad

daughteritsmeagain Fri 02-May-14 16:57:59

i don't think I've ever in my life gone two weeks without fruit! well, I'm fat and I want to be a healthy size and a pleasant shape - so count me in. 5-19 May, no fruit. the other stuff shouldn't be a problem. I won't be posting my statistics, though. grin

BIWI Fri 02-May-14 17:25:40

No need to post statistics at all!

StuntNun Fri 02-May-14 19:46:50

I thought I'd post a bit of info for the newbies although with the caution that your mileage may vary.

I started Bootcamp last June at a starting weight of 162lb. I lost 6lb the first week, 3lb the second week and 2lb the third week. It took me six weeks to lose the first stone then another 14 weeks to lose the second stone. I lost an average of 2lb per week for the first three weeks then 1lb per week for the next four months. I reached my target weight of 132lb in November and I have maintained the weight loss since then by continuing to follow Bootcamp Light.

I had my lipid profile tested this week and since they were last done two years ago, my total cholesterol, HDL and LDL have remained well within the normal range (so no worrying about all that saturated fat raising cholesterol). My triglycerides level has actually dropped, which is a normal consequence of low carb diets.

WhooshFuckerFairy Fri 02-May-14 20:26:40

thumb .... Slices of raw swedeenvy ...... Eeeuuww . Think will have to try as was neary sick at the thought of Bpc until I actually tried it ! ( might be ok with marmite on I guess !)
Hope you have a good day pistey .... Are scotch eggs allowed on such occasions ? I adore them and they do stop me fancying other peoples sandwiches . Good for your DD though - sounds like she is very good !

Lighthousekeeping Fri 02-May-14 22:41:05

Have Morrissons always sold cauliflower rice? I've discovered it today, bought two packs to try. It will be so handy for work.

Best1sWest Fri 02-May-14 23:43:33

I am going to do this, have done pig to twig a few times but always fall off the wagon. I am going to need help with my tea and coffee addiction. I always drink decaf but struggle with giving up the milk.

Thumbwitch Sat 03-May-14 00:19:40

Whoosh - if you can eat raw carrot, you can eat raw swede! grin It's not nearly as awful as you think, it's like a slightly more peppery version of carrot, honestly. I had a junior school friend who always used to bring sliced raw swede to school, I got quite a taste for it! IT has to be yer ackshual swede though, the orangey one, not turnip (the white one). Turnips are 'orrible, IMO.

FelixFelix Sat 03-May-14 06:47:25

Hello all! I sort of tagged on to the end of the last thread then went AWOL. I'm still half heatedly LC-ing but keep going totally off the rails then back on again. The weather is starting to get warmer so it's given me a kick up the arse to get started again. I have a full fridge of LC friendly meals so I'm going to ease myself back in to it this weekend grin

ImSoOverIt Sat 03-May-14 09:09:08

Morrisons sell cauliflower rice?! Genius!

ImSoOverIt Sat 03-May-14 09:15:56

Today I am starting. Have no eggs in for brekkie, which is annoying, though I do have some lidl Greek natural yogurt.

I am a veggie so I will be partaking in the odd veggie product, but I do check the carb count. I have found that Quorn pieces are quite low at 1g in 100. It is either that or eat loads of cheese! And just eggs gets dull after a while. I avoid soya though as it can aggravate my Endo. I am also going to stick to sheep and goats cheese when I do partake. I am starting today but not weighing til Monday.

I too cannot imagine eating raw swede?! shock

GatoradeMeBitch Sat 03-May-14 14:54:33

I'm getting prepared. I drank my last Diet Coke on Thursday, so I'm going through the caffeine withdrawal headache now instead of on the 5th! I lost over a stone last time and that was with my many mistakes, so I want to commit to it fully this time and see what results I can get.

BIWI Sat 03-May-14 16:12:16

Ah yes. Caffeine withdrawal. It's horrible! I never had carb withdrawal, thankfully, but I suffered terribly when I gave up coffee.

WhooshFuckerFairy Sat 03-May-14 16:16:01

I am going swede ........ grin .....
< chews cautiously > . Mmmm not bad .... Might add marmite grin
Top tip ! Snacktastic !

ImSoOverIt Sat 03-May-14 16:38:13

Really not feeling too clever - think the 7 mile run has put me into carb flu! But I know that once it passes I will feel fab so I'll stick it out...

SociallyAcceptableCookie Sat 03-May-14 19:11:49

I realised just in time that DH's 30th birthday party is in two weeks so I started today. It's been ok so far. I don't love eggs but I guess I'm going to learn. Just a few questions though:

I'm bf and I've just had some cheese in my omelet. I presume that's ok as part of BC lite? If I got hungry before bed could I have a Lidl pot of natural Greek yoghurt as well?

I know we don't need to count carbs but if I wanted to, what am I aiming for, in carbs per day? And when reading food labels do I look for 3 g CHO per 100 g or is that just veg?

Thumbwitch Sat 03-May-14 19:30:36

Whoosh - grin

I'mSoOverIt - as I said to Whoosh, if you can eat raw carrot, you can eat raw swede. It's a lot sweeter than you'd give it credit for! But again, as I said to Whoosh, make sure you get the orangey one - I know there is a regional variation on which one is called swede and which one is called turnip - so ignore the white one and get the orange one smile

Socially - cheese is fine for lots of people, but some people find that dairy "stalls" their ketosis state and so stalls their weight loss. I have no issue with it (thank goodness!) but I know some people do. Ditto the yoghurt.
I don't know if there's a daily carb limit on this diet, but a friend of mine who did one not dissimilar, her daily carb limit was 16g overall.
Food labels for everything, I think, should be less than 4g carb.

BIWI Sat 03-May-14 19:30:46

Cheese is fine on Bootcamp or Bootcamp Light, as long as you don't have an issue with dairy.

And if you're hungry, then you must eat! This WOE is not about deprivation. Yoghurt is fine as long as:

a) it's full fat
b) you're mindful of how many carbs you're consuming - although I think the Lidl one is pretty low, from memory

It's impossible to tell you how many carbs you should have per day, as people vary in terms of their sensitivity. And the whole point of Bootcamp is that we don't need to count anything!

As long as you're under 50g carbs per day, and as long as the vast majority of your carbs are coming from vegetables and salad then you should be fine.

When buying prepared/processed foods (although remember we're also trying to avoid as much processed stuff as possible) anything under 4g carbs per 100g is usually OK - although obviously it depends on how much of the stuff you're going to consume!

SociallyAcceptableCookie Sat 03-May-14 19:36:08

Wow thanks for the quick answers.

My breath tastes awful so I assume it's working so far. That won't last forever, will it?

ImSoOverIt Sat 03-May-14 20:34:52

Have just discovered a yummy pud - coconut cream mixed in with natural yogurt - yum!

ImSoOverIt Sat 03-May-14 20:36:32

Social if your breath is bad drink more water. Helps your kidneys flush out the ketones faster so they don't build up, and also a dry mouth is a smelly one!

ImSoOverIt Sat 03-May-14 21:56:04

I'm really hungry?! Why? I've eaten loads today and loads of fat

Saracarbonera Sat 03-May-14 22:51:33

Hi everyone, I haven't been able to read through the thread properly, I'll have a look tomorrow when I have more time.

I've signed up and am raring to go. I low carbed before Christmas and lost two stone. Since then I've put about 7lb on and so I need to get rid of 1.5 stone in total to get down to a good weight for me.

My biggest incentive is the summer. I've got a big family holiday in July and I want to be able to wear a bikini blush I'm really determined to do it!

If I lose this 1.5 stone I'll be 3 stone lighter than last summer

What I'm most worried about is giving up sugar, I'm a total addict!

CockBollocks Sat 03-May-14 22:57:46

How long does it usually take to go into ketosis?

Also, anyone ever suffer with bizarre smelling wee - sorry tmi!

BIWI Sat 03-May-14 22:59:10

ImSoOverIt - eat something else. Something high in fat.

ImSoOverIt Sat 03-May-14 23:33:30

Solved the hunger issue with Quorn frankfurters (x3shock) dipped in dijonnaise...

Thumbwitch Sun 04-May-14 01:09:25

CB (got round that one! grin) - yes, I did! It stopped after a while though.

lavenderhoney Sun 04-May-14 09:31:31

Hello, I'd like to put my name down please!

I've been lc for over a year but need to keep on track and I know the bc camp thread is a busy enough place to distract mesmile

Lighthousekeeping Sun 04-May-14 09:33:18

On two days into in and my period starts. Every single time I'm on this diet I have two periods a month!

The cauliflower rice in Morrissons really hits the spot. 2.8g of carbs, does that sound ok? It's only what the homemade stuff would have I'm guessing.

ForeskinHyena Sun 04-May-14 09:34:39

Got a big family dinner tomorrow and DP said perhaps i should wait until Tuesday to start. He was impressed with my resolve when I said no, Monday it is! I could make excuses all the time, so I'm starting as I mean to go on.

'Fortunately' I have had a tummy bug this weekend, so also starting off completely empty and with nausea, which will help no end!

BIWI Sun 04-May-14 09:47:17

With Bootcamp - because it's strict - you should go into ketosis quite quickly. Certainly by the end of two weeks you ought to have switched your body from carb-burning to fat burning, meaning that you are 'keto-adapted'

Bad breath is a key sign that you are in ketosis - and thankfully it doesn't last very long! - secret is to drink more water. If it's really bad, you can try sugar-free gum/mints (just remember they have artificial sweeteners in them, to try to keep them to the minimum)

FelixFelix Sun 04-May-14 10:00:50

Morrisons do cauli rice?! That's great. I like it but hate making it as I can't be arsed getting out/cleaning my massive food processor.

I usually have Greek yog with berries for my breakfast. What else could I have with my yoghurt that doesn't break the no fruit rule? I'm not massively keen on it plain. I usually have yoghurt as it's quick and easy and I've really gone off eggs recently. Don't fancy having anything else. Help!

Thumbwitch Sun 04-May-14 10:19:51

Felix, I found that mixing the Greek yog with double cream and a couple of drops of vanilla essence really helped to make it more palatable. smile

antimatter Sun 04-May-14 10:23:51

FelixFelix - really difficult to suggest replacement for berries...
are you eating it on the go, can you reheat something in the microwave?
being Sunday - I boiled some broccoli and had it mixed with finely chopped cold pulled pork

I am thinking of boiling some veg every 2 days in the evening to have some next day for breakfast and lunch (reheating it first) and having 2-3more containers each with chopped egg, chicken breast, pork, canned tuna, poached salmon, smoked mackerel,

so I can help myself to whatever I fancy to make 2 containers of food for next day to take to work - mixing some butter in it if appropriate - then reheating in the microwave and eat warm.

I think veg can be (in my case) boiled: frozen spinach, broccoli, cabbage, red cabbage (if I have time to prepare it and perhaps freeze leftover), green beans

raw - grated carrots, avocado, pepper

I think combinations of all 3 above would make fairly varied food

I need to make my own mayo soon!

ImSoOverIt Sun 04-May-14 10:28:17

Felix - yesterday I mixed coconut cream (found in asian food section ) with greek yogurt and it was truly yummy.

ImSoOverIt Sun 04-May-14 10:30:20

Hate to break it to everyone but I went to morrisons yesterday and I couldn't find cauliflower rice, nor could I find it online. Is it frozen?

I too cannot be arsed with the faff - made a tofu thai red curry last night but ended up going without the rice and have saved the cauliflower for sunday dinner...

ImSoOverIt Sun 04-May-14 10:36:04

I think I am in ketosis already, even though I only started yesterday - is this possible? I did go for a 7 mile run yesterday. This morning dd (age 3) got into bed with me and said "Mummy your breath smells nice like strawberries" so I am guessing there is a sweet smell on my breath! (eww)

Still very hungry though, will this pass? I had two eggs, and 2 quorn bacon rashers with lots of mushrooms cooked in loads of butter but could still happily eat more!

FelixFelix Sun 04-May-14 10:36:53

Thank you for the suggestions! Cream and vanilla essence or coconut cream mixed in sound good. Will give them a try. I'm not keen on hot food for breakfast (I'm weird grin) and there's never any leftovers to reheat as DP is a bottomless pit!

OverIt I usually just have curry with roasted broccoli or roasted cauli. Id be over the moon with ready made cauli rice though if I can find it!

ImSoOverIt Sun 04-May-14 10:46:03

Yes do try coconut cream felix - I bought it to make the thai red curry as it was lower carb than coconut milk, but then discovered it was really sweet and delicious despite being low carb, and really reduced the tartness of the yogurt when mixed in. You can buy it in UHT cartons so I am definitely going to keep a few in the cupboard both for cooking with and mixing with yogurt for brekkie.

notamonkeysuncle Sun 04-May-14 10:53:50

Hello everyone
im quite pleased to of stumbled on this thread as I was planning on starting low carbing tomorrow too.
Went to aldi yesterday and brought loads of veg so im prepared and ready to go

NeverHadANickname Sun 04-May-14 11:02:32

I've put my name on the other thread but I'm actually quite nervous! I normally eat loads of carbs and not much protein so this will be interesting. I've been going cold turkey with pasta for the last couple of months so hopefully it shouldn't be too difficult. I have loads of pork in anyway so I'm hoping I can just roast a joint every so often and live of that through the week with salad or whatever I'm allowed!

I normally work better with a strict diet anyway rather than not knowing what to eat.

lizziesnips Sun 04-May-14 11:18:12

Just added my name, been heavy for such a long time, need to lose @ 40 lbs. work 12 hour shifts, days and nights so really need the support. Looking forward to this.
What happens when you have a day or weekend away, have a wedding in 3 weeks and won't have control of meals for 2 to 3 days?

feesh Sun 04-May-14 11:24:32

Hi everyone, I've had a bit of a head start as I spontaneously decided to give up carbs cold-turkey on Thursday and it was when doing some reading up on it that I found Bootcamp and joined, so it's great to have people to share it with and to have BIWI's excellent knowledge to help me. I've found it surprisingly easy, considering what a carby twat I was even this time last week!

I really don't want to give up my morning mug or two of tea and I have it very milky - is it OK if I still have it, but with Lactofree milk, which I presume has less lactose and therefore less sugar and therefore less carbs in it? I checked the label and it's 2.8g of carbs per 100ml, so is this OK?

Right, back to my lovely plate of salami, Brie and blue cheese (am loving this WOE!).

feesh Sun 04-May-14 11:27:17

Lizziesnips, I used to be a waitress many moons ago and no waiter would bat an eyelid if you asked the kitchen to hold the chips/mash/whatever and give you extra veg instead. At a wedding, presumably you could just give your carbs to someone else on the table? I think staying in hotels etc is pretty easy on this diet. Although it does get difficult if you're going to someone else's house for dinner. I think in that case I would just suck it up and deal with it on another day by getting back into Bootcamp.

lizziesnips Sun 04-May-14 11:39:53

Thanks feesh, a couple of meals will be at a friends home so will do my best. the wedding meal I think will be fine, DH always happy to take what I don't want. Will find it hard to resist desert and cake though.
I will just get back onto Bootcamp the next day.
Glad to hear you have started and enjoying it.

Hi everyone, I'd like to sign up. I have been LC for a few months and lost 7lbs but the fruit and nuts have become daily treats and I am sure that I am not drinking enough water. Hoping the bootcamp will get me back on track smile

Notsoskinnyminny Sun 04-May-14 13:57:35

Felix I couldn't eat any yoghurt before the last BC who decided sour milk was nice so broke myself in gently by adding extra thick double cream and sprinking cinnamon on top. Now I can eat it straight from the tub and when I do add berries its too sweet.

I've just whizzed up a batch of cauli rice it keeps for 3-4 days in the fridge and freezes as well. I mix chopped mushrooms in when I fry it - the water in them stops it sticking to the pan as much.

FelixFelix Sun 04-May-14 14:00:21

Notsoskinnyminny that sound delicious with the cinnamon. Another one to try grin Didn't realise you could freeze cauli rice. I could just suck it up and make a few batches at once then resign my food processor back to the cupboard...

lizzie this might sound utterly bizarre, but one of my main techniques when faced with a plate of food I have had no input/control over is this...

I imagine I am The Terminator, you know the scene where he goes into the bar and starts looking for clothes that fit? He analyses each item and either immediately discards it or it gets the red flashy grid, if it's considered an acceptable match?

When I look down at my plate, I go into 'terminator' mode. I imagine the bleepy noise and see the red grid thingys. Instead of allowing my emotions to run amok, I just coldly decide which foods are proteins or acceptable carbs, and 'terminate' any which aren't, by either giving them away (very fucking quickly) or removing them from my plate.

Now, my reason that I give for this, to avoid discussion, criticism or conflict (which would obviously result in possible death of person challenging me, due to the fact I'm the fucking Terminator) I say that my bloody guts just can't handle this type of grub anymore, and it would be very anti social for me to eat them. If pressed, I will tell them it gives me very severe gas/cramps. In fact this is partly true, so I don't feel like a total lying shit, but have your stock response ready that brooks no discussion. Under no circumstances expect people to support you. It is sadly rare. That's what we're here for grin

FelixFelix Sun 04-May-14 14:17:47

Trash that's amazing grin

FolknNorah Sun 04-May-14 14:27:59

Just letting you know I have name changed, I was Twit
See you all tomorrow/Tuesday smile

lizziesnips Sun 04-May-14 15:13:20

Trash love that technique and will definitely practice that. My DH is already sceptical, especially as this WOE is so different from what I have always advised him is healthy. Lovely man that he is he will be supportive, especially if he gets passed extra potatoes at a dinner.
Great attitude, thanks so much.

antimatter Sun 04-May-14 15:18:05

CarbTerminator grin grin grin grin

PeonyStick Sun 04-May-14 15:37:47

Name changer alert .... Was whooshy xx

BIWI Sun 04-May-14 15:38:07

Or - the Carbinator! grin

peony is there something you're not telling us? grin

Cherrypi Sun 04-May-14 17:17:58

Cinnamon is quite nice in yoghurt Felix.

Cherrypi Sun 04-May-14 17:18:12

Cinnamon is quite nice in yoghurt Felix.

PeonyStick Sun 04-May-14 18:10:14

No trash .... The next baby in this house will have 4 legs !

<rubs robot hands together and does evil mirth laughter>

Soon my army of carbinators will be complete.... Mwa ha ha ha

I am ready to get back on the wagon. I did so well all week , then dh had planned a special surprise weekend- wine tasting, with bread and oils to dip, a three course meal, ( I'm not saying I couldn't have made better choices, but I really did go carb twat) back to it tomorrow- at least I know that I can do it and what's more- I really enjoy it!