Week 10 - Low Carb Bootcamp - the last week!

(750 Posts)
BIWI Mon 17-Mar-14 07:12:49

Well, finally, we reach the finish line! One more week to shout your shit.

Here's the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness

And the Weight Tracker

Hope the results are positive for you today - and that the rest of this week gives you time to drop another pound or two.

BIWI Mon 17-Mar-14 07:14:10

Whoops - will ask MN to edit the title. I know it's week 10 but I have a sticky '0' key!

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 17-Mar-14 07:16:53

You need to see someone about that love.

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 17-Mar-14 07:19:11

Can't believe this is week 10!

Monday mornings are daft here, this was no better, so will weigh in tomorrow. Think it will be another pound off.

Good luck for weigh ins and hope all have a good week X

sybilfaulty Mon 17-Mar-14 07:19:53

Thanks for the thread, BIWI. STS here. Good luck everyone.

PseudoBadger Mon 17-Mar-14 07:22:53

2lb off which I'm very pleased with smile Hope everyone has a good week!

Thumbwitch Mon 17-Mar-14 07:24:46

I'm weighing in tomorrow morning in the hope that being good today will somehow counteract the badness of the weekend. I had actually gone down a couple more lbs, so will see if they somehow disappear again overnight! <hopeful>

TwitMcAwesome Mon 17-Mar-14 07:29:25

<Wees on thread.>

DurhamDurham Mon 17-Mar-14 07:47:42

Well I stayed the same again, I was expecting this because of my over indulgence the last few days.

I cannot believe this is the last week, where did that time go?!

Can honestly say that I have not missed bread, potatoes, pasta or rice at all. What I continue to struggle with is the less obvious carbs and also chocolate. I cannot give it up, I now stick to dark chocolate but fear I eat too much of the stuff if I want to loose more weight. I will keep going as I enjoy this WOE.

Thanks for the journey BIWI et all thanks

SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice Mon 17-Mar-14 07:49:29

Morning everyone.

STS - not surprising as I haven't had my dieting head on this week - a carb fest on Monday then too much cream, wine etc. during the week. I've not been exercising either as I've been a bit under the weather. Sorry for abandoning the thread - I've just some complicated stuff going on with work and needed all my headspace for that. Well done everyone who is still loosing and continuing on under adverse circumstances! There are some very strong people on here grin thanks

I'm actually wondering about easing off a bit - only a little bit mind! I was wondering about eating more carby veg such as butternut squash but not potatoes or sweetcorn. I'm not sure that my metabolism is quite right for bootcamp - I struggle to drink the 6 litres of water that I seem to need, I still feel tired, I certainly haven't got the stamina I used to have when exercising, I seem to have delayed healing of a few spots on my face and I've got a persistent patch of eczema that came up in week one and won't go. (What a tale of woe!).

Happy Monday everyone.

SayraT Mon 17-Mar-14 07:54:08

Sad that this is the last week sad but hopefully the ongoing chat threads will be busy and help keep everyone on track.

There is no way I am going back to the WOE I had before, this is the lightest I have been in a long time and its been really easy. I've been off track once or twice but found it easy to get back on, I know this isn't the same for everyone, so I feel that I could keep this WOE up as a way of life.

Thank you BIWI for doing this, you have helped so many people thanks and also to willie for the spreadsheet, I really like it smile

Just spotted shamrock so had to put one in.

B: Coffee with cream
L: Mushroom omelette with salad
D: ?

Have a good day everyone grin

Suzymoo9 Mon 17-Mar-14 07:59:41

Morning all, and good luck everyone - is this the last week? I will need to keep on keeping on forever I think.

StuntNun Mon 17-Mar-14 08:00:38


Ambassadoryouarespoilingme Mon 17-Mar-14 08:06:47

hi all,
I floundered a bit this week - don't really know why - and roughly stayed the same (about 0.5 lbs on) but I've wavered up and down these few pounds for weeks now. I have set myself a new deadline of another stone off in the next six weeks in time for DH's special birthday trip to a hotel.
I will try ubercamping for a bit just to see if that kicks things in to action.

HOpe you are all having a good week and a more successful one than mine.

On the upside though, I have to battle with some of my DH's foodie misdemeanours and some of them i have definitely cracked. I decided a few months ago that I felt dirty after eating Chinese takeaway. He turned up with a mega takeaway on Saturday (having 'nipped out to get apples'??!!) and I tried a bit, and really felt repulsed by all the gloopy sauces. It didn't feel like a treat and I felt a bit poisoned, even by a little portion. So that is a mini triumph.

I hope these chats continue after the end of Bootcamp.

Seri77 Mon 17-Mar-14 08:09:45

Another 1.1lbs off which I'm very pleased with as I have had a horrible sore throat necessitating many cups of tea with milk (and some chocolate).

So I have now lost 11lbs in total, this means I'm one third of the way to my ultimate target. And I'm only 1.2lbs away from being under 11 stone. Not sure if I'll manage that before final weigh in but like others I intend to keep going.

I think chatting on these threads and the feeling of support has been the main factor in my weight loss. Thank you everyone smile

mirpuppet Mon 17-Mar-14 08:11:43

Lost .6 of a pound so basically STS.

NeverEndingLaundry Mon 17-Mar-14 08:43:19

Not weighing til tomorrow when I might be down to the loss I saw yesterday my week 1 will be up.

So glad I found you lot. You're all a mine of info and support. Congratulations to all the long-haulers. I wanna be like you-hooo-oo

I've definitely found booze the hardest to avoid and ended up having wine 3 nights in a row. blush This after going dry nearly all January. Must try harder, Laundry.

This week I have learnt some surprising truths:

1) flaxseed pizza is one helluva good meal. (I'm still full from last night)

2) my family will eat my lamb curry with a whole bag of frozen spinach cooked into it and actually preferred it this way. NB spinach smoothie is not good.

3) I actually don't crave bread. but get thee behind me, snickers bar

FelixFelix Mon 17-Mar-14 08:58:03

Thank you for the new thread. I know I'm a very latecomer but I hope the chatter continues as you've all been ace and very helpful! Need to do a shop but got a driving lesson tonight so it will probably end up being Wednesday. I've got stuff in for tea but may end up with random breakfast and dinners! I may have to ask what I can make out of what I've got left... I've just boiled some eggs for breakfast smile

BIWI Mon 17-Mar-14 09:18:18

The chat will definitely continue, Felix! What happens is that I will start one more thread next week, which will be an ongoing one, rather than a new one every week.

Plenty of people who will still be going or who just need the support and understanding of other low carvers.

sueh95 Mon 17-Mar-14 09:21:07

Up 4lbs hoping its TOTM sad

Well done to the losers and the STSamers, thanks both BIWI and Williefor keeping us going. I'm staying on the LCHF path even if it takes me a year to get where I want to be - I love the WOE and don't miss the carbs at all smile

sms ain't RTFT grin

piss flaps. up slightly, although could just be a big poo. sewing covers today. will post clours later.

love to everyone well done/commiserations grin grin


HeirToTheIronThrone Mon 17-Mar-14 09:47:35

0.4lbs down - which is a surprise after much booze and too much dark chocolate this weekend. Also, TOTM. And I had 4 chips at the pub yesterday.

I am definitely in this for the long haul so will be about for chat Felix!

I just had strawberries and cream for breakfast smile

thenightsky Mon 17-Mar-14 09:48:16

Stayed the same. I was down 3lb on Friday, but carby twattery over the weekend has ruined my Monday weigh in.

Woolfey Mon 17-Mar-14 10:04:16

STS this week. I am happy with that smile

CrabbySpringyBottom Mon 17-Mar-14 10:56:39

Marking place. Not weighing for now.

CalamityKate Mon 17-Mar-14 11:11:53

I was soooooo bad last night! DHs 50th. Posh restaurant. Three courses. Brownie. Cake.

Still, it's done, I knew I was going to do it, I enjoyed it and that's that.

Back on the wagon..... smile

EvaTheOptimist Mon 17-Mar-14 11:21:04

Mirpuppet 0.6lb off is excellent and NOT staying the same!

Remember 1lb off per week, on average, is a great rate of weight loss. As of today I've lost 9lb so far this bootcamp - 1 a week. Except it wasn't 1 a week exactly as I gained on two of the weeks.

Since last May I have lost 45lbs - that must be roughly 1lb a week too. I certainly couldn't have done this without the support on these threads.

Like Sayra and Suzy and others this has changed my way of eating for life. I don't even really consider pasta and rice to be food any more!

DurhamDurham Mon 17-Mar-14 12:14:20

ODE to BIWI (to the tune of My way!!)

And now, the end is near
And so I face the final weigh-in
My BIWI, I'll say it clear
I'll state my case, of which I'm certain
I've lived a WOE that's full
I traveled each and ev'ry Lidl
And more, much more than this, I did it Low carb way

Carbs, I've had a few
But then again, too few to mention
I did what I had to do , I saw it through without exemption
I planned each charted course, each careful step along the carbway
And more, much more than this, I did it Low carb way !!!

TwitMcAwesome Mon 17-Mar-14 12:18:14

Not weighing, but feel a bit bloated in the face and tummy. Pfft.
It's that week though.

I found some chicken legs so am having chicken and roasted broccoli today. Had a bit of cheese melted with paprika for breakfast. Have had 1 1/2 litres of water so far and no BPC to see if it helps. Also no nuts etc. so back to bootcamp I guess grin

biwi are you doing another bootcamp? I might join that one and start again, without cheating first obviously.

Suzymoo9 Mon 17-Mar-14 12:56:56

Eva you have put that very well - this has changed my way of eating for life - it really has been a re-education, and it hasn't been hard. I also allow myself to stray off and have treats which makes it more human and manageable. I have lost half a stone since January and I am very pleased. I agree with you that 1 or even half a pound a week soon adds up and is a good steady loss.

EverythingIsAwesome Mon 17-Mar-14 13:36:03

grin Durham

Piscivorus Mon 17-Mar-14 13:47:44

I'm claiming I've STS this week but, in reality, I haven't dared get on the scales! After the stinkin' chicken from Sainsburys which meant no tea and shops shut yesterday so a nosedive into carby twatdom I have begun a strict few days today in an effort to repair the damage.

I have discovered though that I don't feel well when I carb to excess so that's a motivation to continue in itself. Yesterday, after my naughtiness, I felt generally a bit bleeurgh, didn't sleep brilliantly and felt really quite agitated and anxious when I woke this morning.

As always I will stick around for the chat and, no doubt, the next bootcamp.

Thumbwitch Mon 17-Mar-14 14:23:39

Durham, that's brilliant! grin

Today I have been better.
Cheese fragment for breakfast
Omelette with butter-fried courgette, mushrooms and spinach, with grated cheddar for lunch.
Dinner - Chinese beef with almonds and vegetables, no rice.

But also today I have made lamb mince meatballs with coriander and cream cheese - lush! Very nice, tasty bites sitting in the fridge when I feel like a nibble. I need to make the sour cream and mint sauce for dipping but meh, it's not that necessary.

Had a peach and double cream for dessert tonight - and then decided it was time to see if I could create something more "sweet" for fridge-picking, to keep me away from the Freddo frogs I bought for the boys.
Half a jar of hazelnut and cacao butter (no added sugar - literally crushed hazelnuts and raw cacao), 2 dsp butter, 1 hped sp raw cacao. and then several tbsp of almond meal. Mixed it all together, tasted it - too much butter. Added more almond meal and a tsp of vanilla essence;ll and have now put it in the fridge to harden. I don't love it - but it's not bad.

LittleMissDisorganized Mon 17-Mar-14 15:04:54

I really hope this is the beginning of changing my eating for life.

I've gained 1/4 lb this week, and realised I've actually only lost 1lb in the last 3. I'm hoping it averages out, in the first week I lost 9lb and I've lost 8.5 in the last 8 weeks - but I seem to have 2-3 weeks the same then a whoosh. And this week on the worst day of all I did have some potato at lunch time so I wasn't expecting anything else, in fact I'm surprised I've not put more on.

I am content with how I eat now, and DH (who sees most of my ups and downs) plus a few close friends (who see the trend a bit easier, being a bit less close) are massively positive about what making the change to LC has done for me. I could be more gushy but I won't, I'm here to stay and that flounce-attempt is much regretted!!

Congratulations to all who have lost, and Eva your slow-and-steady consistent optimism remains an inspiration to me smile

WhooshFuckerFairy Mon 17-Mar-14 16:07:10

STS, but have good reasons for that. Love the tune durham, feeling quite emotional....have actually loved my first bootcamp - huge thanks to all. biwi I am indebted and to each and everyone one of my 'phat virtual vipers' - love you all . trashy you get a special mention and you just makes me laugh so much, despite what is going on in your life.

I am deffo sticking around for the chat thread and the next bootcamp -I might have got it right by then ! My aim is to try loose the last couple of pounds to make the first stone and then stay the same for a good few weeks, to let my skin catch up. I am going to move up the veg carb ladder and stay at that until any grammes starts coming back and then I will find my level. The full bore on next BC !

<lowcarb hakka for final push>

WhooshFuckerFairy Mon 17-Mar-14 16:12:00

highights too many to mention - but Chester Draws chicken ( where is she lately), the infamous Dolphin Pose, mini crabby's trip , SMS, Trashy's DS's horrendous experience, hier's interviews and new job, crabby's elephant, Athelstane's house move, Pisci's flood....... the list goes on ! IS is like this everytime ?!!

EverythingIsAwesome Mon 17-Mar-14 16:48:36

Beef brisket, leeks, green beans, swede and baby carrots cooked in the slow cooker, and a celeriac fondant to go along with it. Smells delicious.

StuntNun Mon 17-Mar-14 17:00:37

Lidl have the ultimate low carb high fat food back in for Easter - frozen goose for £16. It's expensive but that gets you a 3.8 kg goose which would be plenty for a special family Sunday lunch. I suspect DH is going to send me back to buy a couple more to keep in the chest freezer.

I still haven't managed to stay down at my goal weight that I first reached last November but my belt has gone down a notch and looks like it might go down another one soon so it seems the number on the scales isn't reflecting what my body is doing. I'm at a healthy BMI now but I think I am 'skinny fat' so I'm working on body recompositioning now, trying to build muscle but still trying to lose fat, so that might mean I will see the measurements change but not so much the weight. Pilates, shredding, swimming, walking and cross-trainer work which is all a big change from my gym bunny days of running and weights.

GatoradeMeBitch Mon 17-Mar-14 17:49:41

I had my biggest loss in a week - six pounds smile

But that was with the double whammy of ubercamp and exercise. It was a good self-esteem booster, but my tummy is very squishy and I think I'd be heading for a lot of loose skin if I tried to keep up that intensity. So it's back to regular bc this week, and maybe bc light next week.

arselikekylie Mon 17-Mar-14 18:01:40

Now 11.74% lighter than when I started this WOE. That's 21.25lbs.

Succumbed to the most delicious fish and chips in Blackpool yesterday but it's been weeks since I last had some and probably will be weeks till I have them again so I don't feel at all guilty!

Thanks again for all this BIWI. Much appreciated.

TwitMcAwesome Mon 17-Mar-14 18:23:22

Wow! That's amazing, well done smile
If I stay the same again this week I will have lost a grand total of.....
Wait for it....

two pounds.

mirpuppet Mon 17-Mar-14 19:05:30

EvaTheOptimist Thanks for reminding me that going down is not staying the same.

I am very pleased with slow and steady. And I feel confident of the .6lb because when I weighed on Sunday it was 1 lb down. If I lost 1 lb a week for the next couple of months I would be delighted.

I am sticking to this WOE.

Well done losers!

DENMAN03 Mon 17-Mar-14 19:38:56

I cant believe the time has flown by so quickly. These threads have definitely helped and I have lost a total of 27lbs. Mind you, I spectacularly fell off the wagon this weekend. Was out Fri, Sat and Sun and whilst I ate properly I managed to sink a gallon of wine and ate some chocolate. I am very disappointed in myself as I managed to stick to the diet so far so cant believe I let it all go. I put on 4lb!! Eek..anyway, I've given myself a huge kick up the backside and am back on it today.

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 17-Mar-14 20:32:15

Am definitely carrying on after, have lost over a stone since we began and I feel so much better. When we started we had just got back from a trip to New York, where carbs are a plenty, and god I felt rough!

So keeping on, keeping on.

I need to weigh in tomorrow.

HeirToTheIronThrone Mon 17-Mar-14 20:32:52

Whoosh I am honoured my job has made your round up!

I've just been struck at how delicious food on this WOE can be even if you've been doing it for a while - DH cooked steak for dinner, with salad and coleslaw and roast aubergine, which I pimped even further with a dollop of Boursin melted on top of the steak. What other 'diet' would mean I had that for supper?!

Place marking.

Had a stir fry with chicken wings for lunch- didnt realise how bad green beans and bean sprouts are ffs

Steak, asparagus and more chicken wings for tea. With a bowl of whipped cream to satisfy the sweet tooth.

4l water and lots of pepsi max.

Still havent lost a bastarding thing for a month or so. Have had lots of wine and cock ups though blush

Am hoping if I have a really good week I may see a small loss by the weekend.

Pleaseandthankyou Mon 17-Mar-14 20:43:34

Well done to all the losers. Some people have lots a huge amount in 9 weeks. You must really see the difference and feel lighter. I was really worried about weighing in this week. Some days have been really low carb and some have been disastrous. I even ate a pizza which I haven't done in about a year. Plenty of wine was had. Bit of a result to have stayed the same. Put a smile on my face for most of the morning.

BIWI Mon 17-Mar-14 20:48:28

Green beans and beansprouts are fine, monkeyface - don't worry about it.

EvaTheOptimist Mon 17-Mar-14 20:48:42

Love the lyrics Durham!

Golly LittleMiss its easy to be optimistic when I've not had to face anything difficult in life. You are the one who's an inspiration, with all you have faced and continue to deal with.

Gatorade,Kylie and Denman- stunning losses! amazing!

Twit its a mystery.

Can I be the first to admit Im scared without bootcamp?

Scared Im going to lose a place to moan. I cant be this self centred in real life (if I want to keep friends anyway!)

Really struggling with my weight and depression. Gah.

BIWI Mon 17-Mar-14 21:25:34

We will all be here, monkey! No-one is going anywhere. We'll hold your hand smile

Piscivorus Mon 17-Mar-14 21:26:42

We'll still be here and chatting monkey. It's just the one thread though, not a new one every week and you don't have to do the spreadsheet if you don't want to.

I dont do the spreadsheet anyway. My smartphone isnt 'smart' enough to cope with it blush

You all seem so bloody good at this!

Ok. Ive had 2 good days, so thats a start. I still havent had any bread, rice, pasta or potatoes since December, so I think Im still winning.

Good luck to everybody else for this coming week flowers

FelixFelix Mon 17-Mar-14 22:55:39

So many great losses on this thread! Definitely keeping me motivated. Day 7 tomorrow and I've not missed bread etc. at all! I'm so surprised as I've usually caved by now. It's making me positive that I could keep this up for a while smile

Made Spanish chicken from the recipe thread for tea. I was a bit dubious as I'm usually not keen on tomatoey sauces as I find them a bit bland, but it was delicious. Input everything in to MFP and 34 carbs for the whole day which I think is ok?

I have only managed 1245 cals for the day and about the same yesterday. How many should I be aiming for as I think that's quite low for this? I've not been hungry at all and just eating my three meals a day.

Fuck me I'm absolutely bolloxed tonight. Have finished sewing the ginormous cushion covers and can't get the pissing things on by myself. Grr. I hate when I can't do things on my own. Had to ring dp and ask him to help tomorrow, which he will and very graciously cos he's a love and all that but bugger. I've got blisters on my knuckles and spaghetti arms now grin

whooshy I see this as the start of a long and beautiful friendship, and so so glad we are continuing woeing and chatting after this week.

Trying hard not to feel despondent at my pissy little loss this week. I'm basically the same weight as when I started bc, which fucking sucks.

On the plus side - I'm no longer a sugar addict, my tummy/arse are in a better situation re bloating etc

I just want to be thinner/lighter by approx 5 stone angry

StuntNun Tue 18-Mar-14 06:56:08

If you have a lot to lose Felix then your calorie intake will be lower than you need because the body takes the rest from your fat stores. As you approach your maintenance weight you will get more of your energy from your food so your food intake will go up. That's why fat loss slows down as you near your ideal weight. This woe should reset your leptin (the hunger hormone) sensitivity so that you become more receptive to when you have had enough to eat so that's why you shouldn't need to count calories, just heed those hunger and full signals.

Pleaseandthankyou Tue 18-Mar-14 07:44:04

Come on Trashy. You have been through a lot during the last few weeks. Most of us would have piled the pounds on. You will probably stay the same and then have another whoosh. Keep smiling

NeverEndingLaundry Tue 18-Mar-14 08:22:00

Week 1 done and I've lost 4lbs. DH said my face was 'looking better' hmm and grin.

Finally getting my head around some horrid emotional family shit, coincidentally, so it's a lovely boost to think I could be slim again by this summer perhaps if I keep at it.

Has everyone heard the sat fat news today?

LittleMissDisorganized Tue 18-Mar-14 08:22:29

Morning all,
It's just such a positive place I think Eva as trash has also said this morning.
trash you've done amazingly and if I had a wand, I'd also take off another 4 stone. Looks like we'll be here together for a while then! smile

I've got a busy sociable day today, have been solid in my food choices since Sat, would like a final lb or 2, whooshes should come after a stall, shouldn't they?
I'm aiming to keep to BClite at the very least with maybe a couple of planned meals off (events I already realise are coming) until we restart properly.
Have a good full enjoyable day!

SayraT Tue 18-Mar-14 08:30:40

Morning Losers grin

Ambassador STS is fine, ubercamp seems to have worked for others so maybe worth a try or just making sure you are not having occasional carbs and thinking they don't matter. Not saying you are just I know that I've done that sometimes.

Chocolate always helps sore throats seri. Well done on your 11 lbs and I agree, these threads are what has helped keep me on track too.

Durham love it!

Congratulations on the losses Gatorade, DENMAN and Kylie, if you enjoyed your fish and chips then that's all that matters grin

Twit I think we all wish we could do something to help you, especially since you are doing everything right. Though 2 lbs is 2 lbs and that is better than putting it on. If you are enjoying this WOE then stick at it, this is the least depriving "diet" I've ever done.

Please yes I do see a difference, my jeans kept falling down at work yesterday, my skirt almost came off at belly dancing and I can see a difference in the photos my OH took. I've got him to take pictures every month or so, wish I had taken them right at the start instead of after my initial 8 lbs loss. I'd recommend photos to others, when I measure I don't seem to be able to measure the same place each time grin but photos I can see.

Monkey don't worry, plenty of us will still be around chatting, I need this thread too, so I'll be on the continuing thread and you can moan there.

Trash can't wait to see the cushions grin and try not to worry about your little loss, as please said, you've had a hell of a time recently and coped so well. I have about 5 stone to lose too, lets do it together smile

Just realised that I am late for work!! So very quickly....

Got friends over tonight for some pole practice, I out my pole up in the living room at the weekend and haven't stopped swinging on it since. I am so stiff!

B: Coffee with cream
L: Sausages, broccoli and spinach
D: No idea but one friend is coeliac so I can do LC and pretend I am doing GF instead

See you all later grin

FelixFelix Tue 18-Mar-14 08:42:55

Thank you stunt, that makes sense smile

RatherBeOnThePiste Tue 18-Mar-14 08:52:57

Two more pounds off my lardy arse. Huzzah!


Thumbwitch Tue 18-Mar-14 09:26:21

My cunning plan worked! I was indeed lighter this morning, and it made a 3lb loss since last week. Just finished period as well, so that probably helped. smile

Been good so far today - but it's the evening, so who knows what may yet happen...

FelixFelix Tue 18-Mar-14 09:37:11

Do any if you lot shop at Aldi? I've been ordering from Ocado since dd arrived as it's easier but going to go back to Aldi this week too see if I can save some money. Is there anything particularly good and LC friendly that I should look out for? Already got that flax seed stuff on my list.

ElmaFudd Tue 18-Mar-14 09:42:56

Quick SMS to keep me on the straight and narrow. Thanks all for the tips, support and insights over the last week.

Good news is that I was able to record a 2lb loss - albeit that followed a week of carb creep so some of it was bound to be H2O. Still, it's enough to keep me on the straight and narrow this week.

Even better news: I got on the treadmill for the first time in 10 weeks yesterday and managed to run (jog) 5K in 40 minutes. I was amazed - had only expected to manage 1K. It felt like I was tapping into a steady and endless supply of energy - only reason I stopped was that I didn't want to go over 40 mins so sprinted the last few minutes and wore myself out. This was a very different running experience to pre-LC and I was happily surprised.

Still had the wine and chocolate on the weekend but smaller quantities and I was much more watchful over portion size and carb creep for the rest of the week. Will try the same this week and hopefully get a bit of a loss.

Good luck all.

Seri77 Tue 18-Mar-14 10:16:54

Elma I'm sure I've read that once you're fat burning your endurance improves, eg you don't hit the wall etc as you have a steady supply of energy from your fat stores. Think it was in Volek & Phinney. There's quite a lot about training low carb in paleo forums.

Sayra throat still appalling. Sadly I don't like fruit or herbal tea. I'm eating as low carb as possible to mitigate the frequent milk & occ choc. Yesterday I had poached salmon with butter & cream and salad for breakfast and lunch then pork, shallot & leek stew with buttered cabbage for dinner.


Lowest weight since 2010 grin

Sorry, as you were.

SayraT Tue 18-Mar-14 10:45:42

Woohoo! Well done monkey

fukkigucci Tue 18-Mar-14 12:04:58

i did really well for the first half of bootcamp, but not too well on the second half. I've restarted today, and i'm going to be really careful about not cheating.
When this bootcamp finishes will another one be starting?

Congratulations to everyone who has been posting excellent losses!

Thanks guys. Obviously you're right. And it was a flipping gain this week, albeit small.

The cushions are badly fitted but will suffice grin


Bloody brilliant monkey so chuffed for you

EvaTheOptimist Tue 18-Mar-14 12:59:20

Well done Monkey! Great news.

Trash it looks awfully comfortable round yours these days!

keeponkeepinon Tue 18-Mar-14 13:23:45

Err, sorry I've been a bit absent recently. I've just confirmed I'm preggers and wondering where to go from here. I've put on about 5lb overnight!! Noooo!
I don't want to be getting into ketosis because all I've read suggests its not a good thing for baby but I don't want to go the other way and turn into a total carby sod either. I want to keep some sort of control, whether it be keeping a generally watchful eye on carbs or calories or whatever.
Anyone any advice? Or know where I might be able to find some? I'd love it if I could just get through this next nine months without piling on loads of unnecessary weight.

SnowieBear Tue 18-Mar-14 13:25:45

Afternoon, losers!

Gosh we lot can talk! Not enough time to namecheck, must get back to doing some work - I'm keeping up with the thread (just!) and I feel all your ups, downs, little crisis, big ones and private "yeah!" moments. thanks to all.

I went up 2, how, I do not know... clutching at straws, but I wasn't very hungry and just snacked (LC!) instead of dined quite a few evenings. Maybe not eating enough? So... back at 1st loss since BC start.

Oh well, must remember what I preach... it's in the trend, onwards & downwards, fat & water, do not despair, carry on doing the right things... Someone hit me with a salami, please...

SnowieBear Tue 18-Mar-14 13:26:50

keepon just saw your post! Congrats! thanks

One rule and one rule only: baby and you comes first.

StuntNun Tue 18-Mar-14 13:40:33

Congratulations KeepOn. Have a look round the Mark's Daily Apple forums for advice on low carbing in pregnancy. I'm no expert but I expect your best bet would be to add in apples, citrus fruit, potatoes, carrots, sweet potatoes, white rice in small quantities and a slice or two of wholemeal bread a day. I would definitely recommend taking a good quality vitamin as well, particularly if you plan to breastfeed.

TwitMcAwesome Tue 18-Mar-14 13:48:54

Congrats That's lovely news thanks

Wow, congrats keepon! So jealous!

I firmly believe your body will tell you what you need smile

keeponkeepinon Tue 18-Mar-14 14:05:34

Haha monkey my body is telling me I need KFC and toblerone!!!

EvaTheOptimist Tue 18-Mar-14 14:20:48

Congratulations Keepon!

WhooshFuckerFairy Tue 18-Mar-14 14:26:07

keepon .... Wondered where you were ! Congratulations thanks
I am sure wise ones will be along to advise - but I suspect the foetus will 'take' what it needs from your dietary intake . From my own experiences of pregnancy x3 - the first trimester 'needed' carbs to stop me throwing up !
I guess you should really go with what you fancy - and not give yourself rules . It's hard work growing a baby - look after yourself x

FelixFelix Tue 18-Mar-14 14:29:15

Congrats keepon smile

HeirToTheIronThrone Tue 18-Mar-14 15:38:55

Just eaten 3/4 of a pack of jaffa cakes, because they were there and I am stressed with too much to do. Fuck fuck fuck it.

BIWI Tue 18-Mar-14 16:01:45

Congratulations, keepon!

And also to you Twit. Bloody hurrah for you at last.

Heir - sorry to hear you are so stressed, but all those Jaffa Cakes won't make you feel better, sad to say ...

WhooshFuckerFairy Tue 18-Mar-14 16:16:37

heir - feel for you , I know that feeling - but am sure not a disaster .....water/water/water ....
Ps - I have an interview of Friday .......any tips ? I hate interviews ?

HeirToTheIronThrone Tue 18-Mar-14 16:23:24

Thanks chaps - water all the way, yes, and we're having smoked haddock and poached egg and creamy leeks/kale for dinner so that is something to look forward to! I will shred double hard in the morning too...

Whoosh weirdly I quite like interviews... Tips - take your time. Practice answers to 'standard questions beforehand with someone if you can - things like what you think are your biggest strengths/weaknesses, how you think your current/previous employer would describe you. Be able to talk about relevant experience you have and big it up where you can. Try and relax! And have a good handshake smile

WhooshFuckerFairy Tue 18-Mar-14 16:49:59

Thanks heir - have got a whole days prep tomorrow so will try all those things out . It's a job that has come up too soon really - I am not completely ready , but they come up so rarely that I have to have a go , even if a very long shot !

Im out bowling tonight. Not having a glass of wine is gunna kill me.

LittleMissDisorganized Tue 18-Mar-14 17:58:15

Ooh, well done, Whoosh - I've got an interview next Weds, also need to do some cramming and "why do you want this job" type practising.

keepon huge congratulations, StuntNun's plan seems wise, would it work? Are you very sickly? - that may limit what you can tolerate. Ketosis in the 2nd trimester particularly is not good for fetal development so you are wise to adapt the plan a bit.

monkey if that's really the case, then have you reached the point where you want to live free of that feeling?

I'm shattered and headachy, and I'd so love a night off having to cook the tea. Feel rubbish. Oh well, just do not have the stamina (yet) for the pace I've been pushing for the last few days.

keeponkeepinon Tue 18-Mar-14 18:13:28

Thanks all its very early days yet so trying not to get too excited but we are v pleased!

I'm feeling troubled because I have never managed to lose what I gained with my other 2 pregnancies so I am starting off from a high point on the scale. I feel like I want to do something about it but I don't want to jeopardise anything. And I am terrified that I have gained around 5 lbs already! Do you think carrying on but maybe having something like whole earth peanut butter on toast for brekkie just to stop me going into ketosis?
All I've been hungry for is bread/chocolate biscuit related!! I'm not sickly, but I am worried I am already mentally using this to eat crap!! sad

Notsoskinnyminny Tue 18-Mar-14 18:25:29

Just a quick SMS and a big thank you to whoever posted the recipe for flaxseed pizza - its bloody gorgeous, I topped mine with steak strips, garlic mushrooms, salami and loads of cheese and had leftovers for breakfast.

1/2 lb off this wk but think I've finally got my head round this woe and portion sizes so I'll be sticking around.

congratulations keepon and a big thank you to BIWI for doing her best to keep us on the straight and narrow.

sybilfaulty Tue 18-Mar-14 18:53:06

Just popping on to congratulate the mother to be. Lovely news. Well done.

keepon massive congratulations - I am nearing the end and it is tough being pregnant with the carbs. Early on I had good intentions, but introduced some carbs to keep out of ketosis, for me as soon as I start eating carbs I can't then stop thinking about them, craving them and eating them. Most of my good intentions went out of the window tbh until nearly the end and the novelty is well and truly wearing off. By not eating carbs in the evening I am able to better manage my indigestion which is a plus point.

At my good times I had a poached egg or boiled egg on a piece of granary toast with butter for breakfast. Salad as usual for lunch, then meat and veg for dinner. Snacks I had an apple, or a few rice cakes, or nuts mostly.

Suzymoo9 Tue 18-Mar-14 20:29:22

I've been feeling so ill these past few days and all my food tastes bitter, even the chicken cooked in butter & garlic didn't taste nice. Today I finally broke and had some non-bootcampy things (don't want to tempt anyone) - I think I needed salt. Am burnt out from work and did I see someone mentioned chocolate for sore throats? oh dear...
Still tomorrow is another day and I will start againl
Love the colour of those cushions byt the way.

Piscivorus Tue 18-Mar-14 22:42:19

keepon Congratulations! Lovely news

trashy Cushions look ace. When are we all coming round? grin
I too have a lot to lose and it has taken me the entire bootcamp to get back to where I was before Xmas but onwards and downwards. By this time next year we might be sylphs!

Must try that flaxseed pizza. Where was the recipe?

Congratulations keepon that's really lovely news. grin I would add porridge/brown rice and vitamins, plus fruits and legumes - still eating clean without descending into ct. Oh and the odd kfc/greggs when demanded....

Heir I'm the same as you, I love a good interview sanctioned chance to brag/show off confused whooshy you're gonna have to just channel us when your in there! You will be excellent, and they'll be lucky to have you!

Piscy I think a low carb slumber party could be arranged! I certainly have the beds now!!

Not got any energy today, but have got some weird lurgy growing in my snout. Been to docs twice now - went again today and they took swabs and looked at my throat. The doctor rang me later and wants me to go back in and have another examination with a second opinion hmm as she didn't think my throat looked normal and it had bugged her when I left. My friend says I have been 'pale and wan' for a few weeks now, and I have had lead legs whilst out walking. Fuck this, I can't be arsed with any health probs right now! Boring grin will do some proper posting tomorrow.

Love y'all massively - ooh I see you have an interview too littlemiss eek eek eeek!

Hello snowie [waves like a loon]

BIWI Wed 19-Mar-14 06:25:13

Suzymoo - it's another of the contradictions if you're low carbing - you need to eat salt!

RatherBeOnThePiste Wed 19-Mar-14 06:45:05

Lovely news keepon thanks

FelixFelix Wed 19-Mar-14 07:09:33

Just a quick one - had my first official weigh in today and I've lost 4.5lb gringringringrin yippeeeeee!

captainmummy Wed 19-Mar-14 08:24:47

Good news Keepon! Good luck. smile
Pisci - the recipe thread here - dunno if the flaxseed recipe is on it tho. Maybe whoever invented it could put it there?

Well done felixfelix!

HeirToTheIronThrone Wed 19-Mar-14 09:12:15

Well I think I paid for the jaffa cake incident with a hideous migraine, was in bed before 9.30am and still have a little bit of a headache. That'll teach me!

Adding my congratulations to Keepon, lovely news.

So, does anyone have any exciting ideas for breakfasts I can have at my desk? My usual yogurt is getting a bit dull and I think also not really filling me up enough. Before BC I always had porridge/Weetabix so am a bit stuck!

HeirToTheIronThrone Wed 19-Mar-14 09:12:39

9.30pm even! Brain still a bit fried!

prettybird Wed 19-Mar-14 09:15:23

Great piece on BBC Breakfast on high day low carb diet (only they kept on referring to it as simply high fat). Film to watch on line is called "Cereal Killers".

The film maker started following this WOE after his dad died of a heart attack despite eating a "good" diet. They also had the Australian cricket team doctor on the sofa - apparently the Australian cricket team are also following this WOE.

The UK doctor/advisor completely missed the point, saying that it was important to eat a Mediterranean diet, not increase fat but that it was important to reduce sugar intake hmm. No shit. grin

EvaTheOptimist Wed 19-Mar-14 09:20:48

Trash I hope your throat turns out OK. Its stressful when docs just leave you to worry anxiously about what-ifs.

Well done Felix!

Heir could you bring in a box with a cold-snacks medley, eg cheese cubes, ham/salami, avocado, cucumber cubes, cherry tomatoes, olives?

Thanks eva grin having had a good look myself this morning, I've decided the doctors rubbish and I'm gonna get a second opinion before next week. I do have a bit of a sore throat but nowt to write home about, and I have a lot of scarring from a tonsillectomy so I think she's wrong. My snout is sore but I think it's a staph thing. Swabs done, and got a prescription for more cream, so will crack on with that.

Brilliant news felix

Heir could you stomach cold crustless quiche? I sometimes do bacon/mushroom/toms/cheese in four to six eggs (beaten) with a bit of cream and baked in a flan dish on gas 4 for about twenty mins/till it looks cooked. It's bloody delicious cold, and sliced up like pizza - one or two slices does me a breakfast. I'm, also a fan of cold sausage with egg mayo.

CrabbySpringyBottom Wed 19-Mar-14 09:52:34

<<slinks back in, full of carby shame>>

Keepon huge Congratulations! flowers

*Whoosh I made your roundup twice! I am honoured! grin

Great upholstery Trashy, I love the texture of the orange fabric.

Big well done and congrats to all those losing and sticking to the plan.

flowers to everyone who's poorly and/or fed up.

My plan to eat low GI/GL quickly descended into a bit of a carbfest, as accurately predicted by plenty of you wise ones. Not helped by being psychotically premenstrual for the last few days and in the foulest of evilly foul moods. Yesterday I really noticed how much hungrier I was when eating carbs than when I'm low carbing. I was up early to madly clean house for science club so had breakfast (which I rarely fancy or need when LCing) of sourdough toast and hummus. Thought that would keep me going til lunchtime but was so ravenous that I crammed in a hot cross bun slathered in butter during the break. hmm blush Was absolutely ravenous again by lunch time (leftover stroganoff with a bit of rice) and then spent the rest of the afternoon wondering whether people were actually ever going to leave hankering after the last hot cross bun. Then to cap it all off I made spaghetti carbonara for dinner AND had two glasses of red when I'd promised myself I wasn't going to drink until Thursday.

I am a pathetically fucking weak excuse for a person, utterly lacking in willpower. sad

crabby you are NOT any of those things - wash your mouth out lovely lady!!! At least you know carbs beget carbs now for you and you can work around that. Out of interest why were you considering low GI/GL again - I can't remember the reasoning - maybe we can think of a different plan instead...

Thumbwitch Wed 19-Mar-14 12:24:46

OK - starting with SMS - but not mine really, it's for all those of you who may still have niggling doubts about the amount of fat/saturated fat you're eating and your health. Read this! www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/sarah-knapton/10703970/No-link-found-between-saturated-fat-and-heart-disease.html

Yay Monkey! That's great.

Keepon - congratulations, so pleased for you! I think you're right about not being in ketosis, but you should still be able to limit your carbs without causing any real problems. smile Apart from that, make sure you have lots of butter (it's GOOD FOR YOU! grin) and stay as natural foodwise as you can, limit processed shit (and that includes Kentucky Fried rat chicken wink) and you should be grand.

Trashy - good work on the cushions! They look great. smile

Whooshfucker - great news re interview, good luck with it! And LMD the same - good luck for yours next week smile

Crabby [slaps] - you are NOT any of those things you called yourself. Go back to the low-carbing, away from the low GI/GL stuff - my link at the beginning of this post should help you reconcile with the amount of fat intake.
Also, I've posted before about vitamin K2 (menaquinone) - it is the vitamin that makes sure that calcium in our bodies is put into our bones, and not into our blood vessels, and it is found in meat fat and dairy, and egg yolks. Calcium into our bones and not into our arteries = protective against both osteoporosis and heart disease in one hit - so you NEED vit K2, and therefore you NEED to eat fats. Ta-dah!

EvaTheOptimist Wed 19-Mar-14 13:08:47

Crabby don't beat yourself up. Maybe at the least, make sure breakfast and maybe even lunch is low carb, then you have a chance of getting through much of the day without the carb cravings?

Heir I had another breakfast idea - a thermos flask of a low-carb soup?

I was completely ravenously hungry yesterday, no idea why... I filled the gaps with lots of cheese and nuts, probably not good for weight loss but basically kept low-carb.

BIWI Wed 19-Mar-14 14:02:41

Crabby - don't be daft!

resists temptation to say 'told you so'

HeirToTheIronThrone Wed 19-Mar-14 14:57:22

Ooh, Trashy the quiche thing sounds like a good idea - and could make a big one to last a few days too. Thank you!

prettybird Wed 19-Mar-14 17:37:34

The BBC Breakfast "Cereal Killers" interview on Youtube

The message is getting out there! smile

Notsoskinnyminny Wed 19-Mar-14 18:04:11

Pisci the flaxseed pizza recipe is

100g flaxseed (aka linseed)
2 eggs
handful of grated cheese
salt & pepper
mix together and leave to stand for 5 mins

roll out (I couldn't get it as thin as I'd have liked as it kept sticking to the rolling pin)

bake at 200c for 15 mins

top with passata, cheese and whatever toppings you fancy and put back in the oven for another 10 mins.

Twas delicious but the edges reminded me of those horrible hi-bran crispbread things from SW so make sure you cover all of it.

Heir I do a big crustless quiche as well and its ideal for when I come in from work with the munchies or I take a couple of eggs and cheese and make scrambled eggs when I get there.

felix well done grin

whoosh and LMD good luck for next week I hate interviews

Crabby you said you were going to experiment, it didn't work so forget about it and get back on the wagon cos we're all going to Trashy's for a sleepover grin

LittleMissDisorganized Wed 19-Mar-14 18:36:15

Aaargh now I've got an interview from the other job I applied for on the same day as my surgery next week confused waiting to see if it can be rearranged.

And I've just eaten some cake mix. Feeling completely overwhelmed about stuff. Not that it's made me feel better, quite the opposite in fact. But it's my second emotional eat in the whole of bootcamp which for an obese emotional eater is not too bad, all things considered. <tried to make self feel better> Will probably skip tea and drink lots of water.

colette Wed 19-Mar-14 19:03:31

Good luck with the interview LMD brew

EvaTheOptimist Wed 19-Mar-14 21:28:28

Please don't worry about the cake-mix LittleMiss just leap back on the wagon. But two interviews is undeniably stressful, my sympathies.

EvaTheOptimist Wed 19-Mar-14 21:39:28

OK here goes. A "before" bootcamp picture. At LEAST 14 stone (stopped weighing because I didn't want to know.) Obese BMI. Size 18 trousers and size 22 top and as you can see, none of it fits well anyway, its all just an exercise in hiding!

EvaTheOptimist Wed 19-Mar-14 21:39:56

"After" BIWI's Way of Eating has worked its magic (picture taken today). 10 stone 10, size 14 trousers, size 18 top - though size 18's getting baggy now - down 2 back-sizes on my bra. Normal BMI. No more back-fat and I have a waist again. Thank you BIWI thanks

sybilfaulty Wed 19-Mar-14 21:47:57

Wow, Eva, you look amazing! What a change! Is that just over this bootcamp? I am seriously impressed.

LMD, it's a bit of cake. Sometimes these things just happen. Drink some water and don't eat cake tomorrow smile.

Am in bed. So tired again. Need to get some energy back

Piscivorus Wed 19-Mar-14 21:51:36

LittleMiss Well done getting the interviews, that's an achievement in itself to get them. You don't do things by halves!

skinny Thanks for that recipe, I'll try that.

I'm knackered after work today so a quick shit shout out to you all and I'm off to chill out with a cup of tea brew

EvaTheOptimist Wed 19-Mar-14 22:14:01

No Sybil that's 3 bootcamps (and the weeks in between); I started last May. I'm a slow and steady loser, 1lb average a week for the last 10 months! I am determined not to put it back on again.

SayraT Wed 19-Mar-14 22:17:27

Just a quick hello, I am shattered.

Had friends round last night did three hours of pole dance, then 1 hour of badminton today, mum here for dinner (converted her to cauli-rice grin) and then 1 hour pole class tomorrow. Even though I am shattered I feel great grin

B: Coffee with cream, egg in a cup
L: Salmon with pesto, broccoli and asparagus
D: Chicken curry with cauli-rice

New scales are definitely accurate as had a healthy heart thingy at work and we had a healthy eating section (I didn't pay any attention because we were told to eat low-fat everything, I questioned it and the dietitian said "Low-fat is good for your heart health and that is what we are talking about today, in other situations I would not suggest low-fat" so sounds like she wasn't too convinced with the message she was giving) where we got weighed. I weighed the same on the scales there as my scales at home.

Off to bed, S(More)S later

BIWI Wed 19-Mar-14 22:19:21

Brilliant Eva! You did all the work, not me

Thumbwitch Wed 19-Mar-14 22:21:04

That's fantastic, Eva!

I was moved to measure my waist again, it's going down - still unhealthy at 35.5" (I have no real waist, never have had) but getting there. smile

Notsoskinny - have you tried rolling it between 2 layers of clingfilm, or even baking parchment? When I make spelt pastry for quiches etc., it's very short, and quite crumbly, so I roll it between clingfilm, that way it gets much thinner than otherwise, and I leave one layer of clingfilm attached while I put the pastry in the tin then peel it off after it's settled in. It's really good with pastry, don't know how well it would work with the flaxseed pizza base but worth a go smile

sybilfaulty Thu 20-Mar-14 06:59:05

Still a wonderful achievement Eva! Wow! Slow and steady wins the race.

I can offer a before picture, but am still working on the after.....

Have a good day everyone

Suzymoo9 Thu 20-Mar-14 07:23:06

That's inspiring Eva and a good motivator to keep keeping on

captainmummy Thu 20-Mar-14 08:19:32

Well done Eva! You look Fab!

Thumb - you beat me too it - I was going to suggest 2 pieces of clingfilm too! I make flaxseed crackers (great with a thick slice of cold butter on mmmmmm) wiith the same recipe and I roll out between clingfilm. Or on baking parchment underneath and clingfilm on top so I can just lift it onto the baking tray.

Wow Eva!

That flaxeed pizza, I always just squish it into shape with my hands, no rolling required.

And, and, AND......

I weighed in this morning at 150.8lb!!!

I skipped 151 completley! So ruddy excited! Thats now a 25lb loss. I think my fuck ups last week must have kick started my weight loss again?

CrabbySpringyBottom Thu 20-Mar-14 09:06:34

Aw you're all so lovely. Thank you. flowers I am though

You certainly did tell me so BIWI! blush grin

MrsHP I felt that I was relying too much on meat, especially processed meat, and so much dairy. I was really missing 'good' carbs... Beans in stews, the odd slice of sourdough bread and hummus, farro risotto, new potatoes and peas with smoked mackerel, occasional pasta/polenta and wanted to move towards the 'mediterranean diet'. The trouble is, then it seems to rapidly spiral into wanting pesto with pasta instead of courgetti, more bread, rice etc, and finally, delicious crap like hot cross buns. sad

Ho hum.

Great news about the interview Whoosh!

LMiss that's great news about the interview. I'm sure you'll be able to rearrange it.

Eva what an amazing loss! flowers You must be quite tall though, no? Because you definitely do not look like a size 18 on top, or even a size 14 on the bottom.

Well done Monkey too. The weight's falling off you!

NeverEndingLaundry Thu 20-Mar-14 09:07:24

Eva you look great - you look beautiful in the before pic too, but I am inspired by how slim you are now.

I'd love to be 10st 10lb (I'm 2 stone away...) and I'm prepared for it to take a while because I can so handle this way of eating in comparison to Weight Watchers, fasting, low GI etc.

Crabby sorry your GI didn't work. Thank you for telling about it. It's starting to make sense to me: low GI is my default way of eating and I'm always hungry and fat! I still struggle with the old complex carbs 'health' advice - and I have a weird attraction to lentil hippie food - but I think I have the confidence to dump carbs for long enough to lose weight this time, with all the help here.

LMD sounds like you are dealing with the stress really well - go for it!

felix I started last week too and I've squeezed myself into a few of my 'thin' clothes already! Yay for us!

NeverEndingLaundry Thu 20-Mar-14 09:10:17

Crabby cross post. You sound so like me, food-wise.

StuntNun Thu 20-Mar-14 09:29:00

Does anyone have a low carb hot chocolate recipe? I have 85% chocolate and double cream to hand resists urge to just dip the chocolate in the cream.

NeverEndingLaundry Thu 20-Mar-14 09:57:25

How about melting choc in cream then adding some hot water? I'm guessing though.

EvaTheOptimist Thu 20-Mar-14 10:00:23

Crabby I am tall and relatively large-framed, and I have large norks which bumps the top size up.

I've PMed you as I wrote a long post full of mentions of carby foods - and I don't want to derail or distract other posters by doing such a thing!

StuntNun Thu 20-Mar-14 10:09:48

Found it on the week 2 thread!

^Half cup water
2 tbsp cocoa
cinnamon or other spice to taste
2 tbsp double cream
Heat together in a small pan, stirring continuously, do not allow to boil. Decant back into mug and drink.^

StuntNun Thu 20-Mar-14 10:50:56

Nooooo it was revolting :-(

Piscivorus Thu 20-Mar-14 12:04:35

Might be nicer if it was grated chocolate melted into the cream and water rather than cocoa?

Thumbwitch Thu 20-Mar-14 12:26:26

Bugger, sorry StuntNun, I could have told you it was foul! I tried it twice just to make sure, extra cream, changed the cinnamon to vanilla, no, it was still foul. sad
Mind you, I have extra raw organic cacao, which is pretty fucking bitter, that might have had something to do with it. sad

I made a chocolate nutty thing the other night - organic hazelnut butter with cacao, extra cacao, butter, almond meal and vanilla, cold pressed into a tin in the fridge. I still can't eat it. sad It's viciously expensive - and it's too bitter to enjoy, plus there's a nasty oily backflavour to it (from the hazelnut butter, I think) that I don't like. I keep meaning to try it with double cream to take the bitter edge off, but haven't managed it so far. Just had a nice peach with double cream though - not a very ripe one, but a white-flesh peach, which is naturally sweeter than a yellow-flesh one anyway, so it was still pleasant if a little crisp! grin

Lunch - don't think I had much - maybe a couple of meatballs? And a lump of cheese. And an ultra-low carb bar.
Dinner - fried haggis, with mushrooms fried in butter, swede mash (with butter) and steamed green beans and kale. Very nice!

FelixFelix Thu 20-Mar-14 13:20:09

I'd do grated chocolate rather than cocoa too! There's an amazing coffee shop close to me in Leeds city centre who do the worlds best hot chocolate and I'd love to know how they make it. It's quite bitter which is good for me as I hate sweet hot choc. I'm sure it must be similar concoction of grated dark choc but maybe whole milk rather than cream. It is quite thick though. I need to infiltrate their staff and find out grin

I'm really hungry today!! Had yoghurt and berries for breakfast but haven't got anything in for lunch as we are going shopping tonight. I've got loads of eggs but I've really gone off them recently. The thought of egg makes me feel nauseous confused

GatoradeMeBitch Thu 20-Mar-14 13:56:16

I was stupid last night and ate a huge wedge of chocolate fudge birthday cake my friend dropped round. And then 2 packets of hula hoops. And then some ancient icecream I found in the chest freezer.

I woke up today feeling groggy and crap, and the cravings are back - of course. I don't want to keep doing this!! I wasn't even hungry last night. The cake was just there, so I ate it.

Thanks for the hot choc review StuntNun, I don't know if I'll try that then! I have the Green & Blacks tinned cocoa, but adding it to cream doesn't seem to do anything but add a mild bitter taste. I might donate it to someone who can have sugar with their cocoa.

HeirToTheIronThrone Thu 20-Mar-14 14:03:18

Gatorade you sound just like me - 'because it was there' is my default setting when it comes to food (especially the biscuit tin at work). I think when I start my new job I am going to tell them I am allergic to gluten so they don't offer me biscuits and cake grin

Eva you look lovely.

Does anyone here train properly (BIWI I think you might?) I need to find something to help shift what I am going to call 'my extra bum' - big fat deposits above my actual bum that mean skirts are like 2 inches longer at the front than the back. My waist has got slimmer for sure, and tummy going down, but this just looks exactly the same...

StuntNun Thu 20-Mar-14 14:30:35

I'll try that Pisci thanks, I may use more cream in proportion to butter as well.

StuntNun Thu 20-Mar-14 14:30:48

Sorry in proportion to water.

Right clear something up for me ladies!

Water, and drinking 4l a day.

Sometimes I feel dizzy, and light headed.

I have severe anxiety anyway, and am worried Im damaging my kidneys/brain through water intoxication!

Someone reassure me? im high maintenece I know

prettybird Thu 20-Mar-14 14:46:37

I've found this luxury hot chocolate recipe - it uses some honey but given that we've trained our taste buds away from sugar wink, we could try it without. grin

StuntNun Thu 20-Mar-14 14:55:26

Try more salt and/or magnesium supplements Monkey. Natural water sources such as streams and rivers contain magnesium but tap water doesn't contain any. I buy salt that contains potassium, calcium and magnesium as a way of keeping my trace minerals up.

WhooshFuckerFairy Thu 20-Mar-14 14:56:03

<dashes in, at work - am an' illegal'> will be brief.

eva stunning/ motivating

crabby have you read the last chapter of IPD book - they talk about very slow introduction of things like lentils etc- but only twice a week, they are quite prescriptive about it . Might be worth a read.

monkey am sure 4l ok - is that what you need in the rules.?

Question. I have been told they would like me to participate in an " observed focus group" at my interview tomorrow. How does one behave.....? Take the lead,( supposing I know anything about the topic?) let someone else take the lead, ask questions from everyone else or spout my own opinion ?..... aaagghhhhhh flipping out -I detest interviews. AM hugely sleep deprived as everyone I go to sleep I am being interviewed or dying ( the uterine biopsy thing is playing on my mind and not until April 15th)

waves to all. sorry in a dash x

StuntNun Thu 20-Mar-14 14:58:03

Oh and Monkey water intoxication occurs when you are drinking too much water and simultaneously depleting your mineral levels, e.g. by running a marathon. You should be drinking water throughout the day rather than downing pint after pint.

I only drink sparkling spring water, never tap water, and add salt to everything.

I have no idea what the rules tell me I need!

Just having my usual panic over my health confused

BIWI Thu 20-Mar-14 15:07:03

Are you anaemic? Do you have low blood pressure?

Not anemic. My blood pressure has always been low at 98/60 ish.

EvaTheOptimist Thu 20-Mar-14 16:00:35

Whoosh observed focus group sounds like hell. I have been in one once AGES ago... and the person who actually got the job was the one who was not sounding off about everything or dominating, but the one we all actually stopped to listen to because everything he said was so intelligent.
Obviously this was clear to the interviewers too! I guess that was something none of us could have faked so you might as well be yourself. I'd be careful not to be too shy because the interviewers aren't psychic; and I'd be careful to not "go on" too much because then you just look inconsiderate. Good luck, pretend this is a four-leaved shamrock

Seri77 Thu 20-Mar-14 16:07:31

Heir I'm sure your extra bum will start to disappear.

I thought I'd just shrink all over at the same rate but I haven't. For several weeks my waist and hip measurement barely changed but the muffiny bit inbetween got smaller and smaller. And today I've noticed that an area between my front hip bone and bum cheek now dips in rather than out, on one side more than the other confused. I do have a lot of bum to reduce though.

LittleMissDisorganized Thu 20-Mar-14 16:35:16

Hi everyone,
We're going away tomorrow til Monday and I am tempted to take today's weight as my bootcamp ending weight as I do plan to do some mindful cheating at the weekend and thoroughly enjoy it! So - just under 19lb loss for this bootcamp, am really pleased with that, and though I know it won't be that much again ever, as the first week's whoosh isn't repeatable, since then it's been a steady average of a lb a week. I am feeling different about food, this WOE has brought back my satiated off switch and I stick to it mostly when I'm out because I want to - I feel hugely changed and better mentally, in addition to physically. A friend of mine, who doesn't have as much to lose as I do, may well join us for the next bootcamp, because she's seen the changes.

Eva I hope I'm at the start of your journey (those sizes sound completely out with how you look - wow!) and you look great, I agree you can see the 'hiding' in your body language, and then the confidence in it in the second. I'm glad you've done so well, and stay to encourage the rest of us!

Gatorade clamber back on today, plenty of hands here to pull you up, and what you have learned about the addictive nature of carbs will continue to be valuable to you, it's never wasted.

Agree that the hot chocolate isn't great. Too bitter and rich - and this from a real chocoholic. Will have to have a go with flaxseed in various ways, after we get back. Second interview not movable so will just have to accept that, and go with interview Weds and surgery Thurs. And forget about it the next few days. Right, on with the ironing of DH's shirts and cake decorating (but not eating!) - I will get all organised!!

SnowieBear Thu 20-Mar-14 18:36:54

Just popping in to wave faintly at all of you, keeping up with the thread is great, I wish I could post more often/consistently/usefully.

Mystery 2lbs have vanished and I'm back into most of my staple togs.

Trashy hi there lovely.

SnowieBear Thu 20-Mar-14 19:04:30

Actually, no, I popped in to apologise... life has been so crap of late that I don't know where to start and you are all so full of joy I don't want to be the moaner and I don't have the energy to give anymore.

I'm going to carry on with this WOE, it's working for me and God only knows how much worse everything would beif I hadn't joined you on BC. I am very grateful for all the kindness, advice, support and laughter I have found here. You are all my lovely viper friends and I'll be lurking and cheering you on.

SnowieBear Thu 20-Mar-14 19:04:37

Actually, no, I popped in to apologise... life has been so crap of late that I don't know where to start and you are all so full of joy I don't want to be the moaner and I don't have the energy to give anymore.

I'm going to carry on with this WOE, it's working for me and God only knows how much worse everything would beif I hadn't joined you on BC. I am very grateful for all the kindness, advice, support and laughter I have found here. You are all my lovely viper friends and I'll be lurking and cheering you on.

Evening my lovelies. Just a quickie (fnaar) cos in a and e with one of the twins. A suspected appendicitis but I really don't feel worried. Just hoop jumping as school then gp got flappy. Waiting for bloods back. Typing on me phone so crap. Check-in later to proper catch up and mega post xxxx

StuntNun Thu 20-Mar-14 20:15:59

Eek Trash hope all's okay.

FelixFelix Thu 20-Mar-14 20:31:52

LMD fabulous loss! Enjoy your weekend away!

Trash hope everything is ok. If it is appendicitis at least it's been caught and they can do something about it. It must be very painful for your poor dc sad

Been to aldi and got my hands on some flax so it's pizza-a-go-go this weekend! Just had a cheeky hop on the scales and I'm 14.11 grin I usually weigh in the morning and was 14.13 on Wednesday, and I always weight a few lb more at night so I'm hoping for a good loss on Wednesday. Low carb is brilliant, I wish I'd started this a few years ago!!

WhooshFuckerFairy Thu 20-Mar-14 20:49:09

trashy hope all ok ......
Is your life ever .....boring !! Xx

WhooshFuckerFairy Thu 20-Mar-14 20:50:23

Thanks eva - good advice - will go with that !

Piscivorus Thu 20-Mar-14 21:13:09

Trashy Hope the twinnie is ok.

LittleMiss Well done, great achievement.

I have had an odd day. Did 3 days of stricter than my normal eating, a sort of halfway to ubercamp but stuck to it. Was hungry last night and, despite bacon and scrambled eggs with butter and cream this am, was STARVING! I was then tempted by some Thorntons diabetic toffee and am now producing more methane than the average dairy herd sad

Just to add to everything I managed to trip over the bottom of my trousers yesterday and fall on the wooden floor in my on hallway. No real injuries but I am aching today, I'm too old for tumbling!

EvaTheOptimist Thu 20-Mar-14 21:14:22

Snowie feel free to moan!

LittleMiss have a lovely trip and congratulations for the 19lb loss, that is mega. Its brilliant you feel so positive about the way this WOE makes you feel.

GermanGirlinLDN Fri 21-Mar-14 10:16:56


Haven't been on Mumsnet for a while but followed the LC diet more or less strict. Lost a stone and can't wait to lose more. Is there another bootcamp starting soon?

BIWI Fri 21-Mar-14 15:53:40

Probably April for the next one - but there will be an ongoing chat thread once this Bootcamp has finished

WhooshFuckerFairy Fri 21-Mar-14 17:13:54

Wel that was without doubt .... The most difficult interview I have ever had ! 2 hours of grilling .... Followed by the observed focus group ....followed by presentation .... Followed by ' trial By coffee '
What a day .....home now . Snuggled up with DDx3 . Going to climb off goodie two shoes alcohol abstenance pedestal and have a very large gin later . Whatever the result - am just glad it's over !
Gin and sport relief on tv - I know how to party !

BIWI Fri 21-Mar-14 18:10:05

Fingers crossed for a positive outcome!

Thanks you guys! blimey sorry I didn't have it in me to check in last night. Twinnie is fine (as I suspected but can't bloody take chance when all around you lose their heads grin)

we were so late back last night we all just collapsed in bed!

pisci how shit! that's rubbish - falling down as a grown up always leaves me stiff of muscle the next day as well as the bastard banged bits!! thanks

whooshy well bloody done mate! That sounds like an epic trial by fire. I concur that gin is acceptable in this scenario! And no it seems life is full of medical drama for us at the minute! I went back to the gp as requested by them for a second opinion on my throat, and I left with a bloody referral to ENT 'just to be on the safe side - you know, in case it's cancer' hmm I am sure it's just a tonsillectomy scar, but they want to do a bloody biopsy! Gah!

On more positive notes I have joined the ranks of the 'daily weighers' and have seen incremental loss each day this week grin The daily weigh so far is keeping me very focussed wrt portion size. I have definitely gotta be super mindful, as I'm ahem, greedy blush and extremely capable of piling too much on the plate and troughing through the lot!

Off to a friends tonight, her ds is 16 and having a party at home. We are hiding out in her room to guard the place.....

BIWI Fri 21-Mar-14 18:47:28

Dinner tonight at Rick Stein's Seafood Restaurant. We came down yesterday - DH's Christmas present from me - and I have been totally and very mindfully a Carby Twat grin

Sadly the bathroom is lined with mirrors so I have had to look at myself ... grin

Seri77 Fri 21-Mar-14 19:53:39

Cabbage carbonara. Oh so good. Really really delicious.

FelixFelix Fri 21-Mar-14 21:38:16

Whoosh well done! I think the gin is well deserved. Bloody interviews!

Trash glad everything is ok. I've also weighed the past three days because I'm too impatient to wait until my weds weigh in day. The scales are going down though so that's a good sign!

BIWI I've always wanted to go to his seafood restaurant! I went to his fish and chip shop years ago and it was the best meal I've ever had. Enjoy smile

Seri I have cabbage carbonara on my to-cook list. Is it easy to do?

To say I've had yoghurt and berries. A few coffees. Cheese salad and just cooking pesto/Parmesan chicken with roasted veg.

EvaTheOptimist Fri 21-Mar-14 22:28:22

BIWI it all sounds very swanky!

Trash I hope your instincts are proved as right on your throat, as they were with twin's "appendicitis". Fingers crossed. You sound like you're doing brilliantly with incremental losses and portion size. This week I had a few days where I was super greedy, just really hungry, snacked all the time (all low-carb, but...) Today: I'm back to normal. 3 meals, no snacks. I don't even know what changed?!

Whoosh that interview process sounds mad. Fingers crossed for you too... if you'd still like to work there after all that!

how bad is hummus and cornichons? I ate a few tonight.....

Thumbwitch Sat 22-Mar-14 05:34:32

Cabbage carbonara sounds fantastic! I assume the recipe is here somewhere so I'll go and look - yum!

Whoosh - that interview sounds like it was a right grilling - really hope it works out for you. I had one of those observed focus group thingies when I applied to become a BA air stewardess - it was really hard to judge how much to put myself forward, and how much to sit back and let others do it. I didn't get past that stage but tbh, it's just as well, both for me and all the passengers I would have been inflicted on! grin

Snowie - feel free to moan, honestly. We all have moments of "ARGH" and being able to chat about them in among the weigh-ins and food really does help; hope it's improving for you, whatever is going on.

Trashie - glad the twinnie is fine, that's a bit scary, as is the medic who pronounced on your throat like that! Everything crossed that it's just scar tissue and you'll be fine too. Cornichons should be ok, shouldn't they? Can't see why not (although dipping them in hummous sounds gak, but then I don't like chickpeas over much)

I know I've offered this info before, in a link, but I just feel the need to bang the drum again. For all those worrying about heart health and the fat intake on this WOE, STOP IT. Apart from the Cambridge study just released that says there is no evidence that a saturated fat diet causes heart disease, the info I'm reading on vitamin K2 (NOT the same as vitamin K1, the one everyone "knows" about) shows that a diet low in animal fat and dairy actually is more likely to contribute to heart disease, because vitamin K2 activates a hormone called osteocalcin, and this hormone is the only one in the body that makes sure calcium goes into our bones and stays away from our arteries. Vit K2 is found in grass-fed cows' butter, meat, meat fat; and in grass-fed chicken egg yolks, and in other grass-fed meats and meat fat. It is also, amazingly, found in some disgusting-sounding Japanese fermented soy thing called natto - if you have tried it and like it, I apologise for being rude about it, but it sounds like eating stringy snot! However. Supplements made from natto would be perfect - menaquinone 7 - but actually eating the stuff itself could be tricky.

So - feel free to tell all your nay-sayers and concerned F&F about vitamin K2, especially those who already have osteoporosis and hardening of the arteries. smile

PseudoBadger Sat 22-Mar-14 06:55:04

Morning all! I'm feeling weird this week, think I've been looking after ill family members for too long and I've lost my bootcamp mojo. I've been relying on nuts and 85% choc as pick me ups which can't be good. I'm convinced I'll have a gain for this last week.
I think I'll ease off until next bc in terms of allowed veg but I haven't really got any other plan.

Morning grin I have gotten back into bed instead of tackling the housework. Currently snaffling yoghurt with toasted almond flakes and rasps, with a cup of tea.

snowie man, moaning and grumbling is totally allowed, nay required from most of us at some point. I have done entire posts consisting of only swear words..... That's the point of us all getting together on here isn't it? Those on their uppers lend strength to those needing it, and then, all change and vice versa! Even if you feel you've been on a 'downer run' for longer than you judge to be 'your fair share' nobody else minds! There's enough of us to carry those who need it, and you will get to a stage where things feel differently at some point, but often things come in cluster fucks so you just feel totally wiped out and useless and crap. AND YOU'RE NOT!! You are a strong, caring, amazing woman. Right!

thumb absolutely loving the science. I can never remember any shred of it when I am not reading it directly, but I am past caring what any other fucker thinks. Dp is entirely committed to the woe and it's just habit for us now - although he does regularly go off piste with pints of beer if he goes out to a gig or what not - which is his choice. I even had one of my mates who gave me a hard time bring up the whole breakfast news item/aussie cricketer thingy and retract her argument. I was so trying hard not to be a smug bastard grin

pseudo you may have a severe case of 'sympathy fatigue'... It sounds like you've been Atlas, holding up the world. Can you get some time to yourself? Or perhaps reward yourself for being so bloody excellent by throwing money at the situation, even like getting a facial or a manicure or a massage? Actually, I'm hankering after a facial, purely and simply because in the past when I went for one of those Decleor ones, where they inspect you under the big lamp, the beautician has always said "ooh you're skin's a little dehydrated - try to drink more water"

I'd fucking love to see what they'd say now - I'm practically drowning in the stuff!

Now, the daily weighing has had some interesting results this morning. I felt like I may have overeaten a little yesterday - it went like this

B - two scrambled eggs/three rashers(ish) streaky bacon/big handful fried mushrooms

L - Big handful of rocket dressed with olive oil/half a can of tuna with crappy hellmans mayo cos ran out of deloius/king prawns/olive and feta out of a tub (half tub)

D - Broccoli tips and spinach leaves fried up in fatty beef stock/small hunk of cold beef/other half of tin of tuna with shitey mayo

then went to me buddy's to morally/physically/emotionally support her whilst her ds had a party in their house for his 16th. That was fucking hilarious We basically hid in her room, and listened to the mayhem downstairs. It all went off exactly as expected - terribly naice middle class teenagers getting wrecked in various ways. One girl took 'md' (is that MDMA? or some awful 'legal high' - I'm so out of touch these days) and lost the plot a little, but then seemed to pull it round and was mortified. We suspected drug use from the others but saw nothing blatant apart from that, and towards the end of the evening there was the obligatory crying jag from another girls, who was insisting that nobody understood, she was so and so's best friend. I sat with her for a bit and asked if she'd been drinking vodka by any chance......

Anyway, by that point it was one o clock in the morning, and I was suddenly famished so ate hummus/celery/cornichons and bastard peanuts. I knew I would regret it today, and lo and behold, it showed up on the scales. I also know I drank too much tea. I've been having tea with a splash of ff milk, but limiting myself to two cups per day. I went over by a cup, and again, I felt it would have an impact. I was up marginally on the scales, but I don't feel despondent, I feel..... sciencey..... I am working this out, and discovering how titchy little my margin for error truly is. It's interesting.

ooh felix I just saw you are an overlocker fan too! I am definitely getting one soon. I'm scared though. They can be so... temperamental.

Thumbwitch Sat 22-Mar-14 13:02:06

Oh I was bad today!
First off, DH bought me hot chocolate again. I'm weak.
Second, DS1 wanted a milkshake after footie, because he was "so hot, mummy!" So we bought him a lime milkshake, and because DS2 would have gone ballistic if he'd got none (and DS1 wouldn't want to share as much of his as DS2 would like) I also got a small banana milkshake so Ds2 could have some - as he's only 17mo, he doesn't get a full one of course, just has some of it and I have the rest)
Had a good lunch though - butter-fried mushroom and spinach omelette with cheese!
And then blew it TOTALLY this afternoon with an entire bar of G&B milk and almond chocolate. sad I don't know why I felt that I just had to eat it, but I did. The only mitigating factor is that I know it's one of the lowest in sugar (because of all the almonds) and higher in protein (because of all the almonds) - but it's still bad. blush

And then this eve I had leftover turkey thing, with extra meat from the last of the lamb meatballs; and have since had an ultra low carb bar.

Will have to be good tomorrow or the scales will be up again on Monday, and I was getting so close to being 11 1/2 stone!

Trying very hard not to be angry with myself for self-sabotaging again.

Trashy - glad you like the sciencey bits. Happy to oblige smile The party sounds, errr, fun! Bet it made you glad you aren't a teenager any more, eh? wink

Pseudo - do you mean you'll eat more carby veg until the next BC starts? Or less carby veg? confused
I plan to just keep eating the same way I have been while on bootcamp, but still try to keep my errant moments under control. Although a facebook discussion on lime marmalade on toast nearly had me in tears! (God I LOVE lime marmalade on toast...)

just shut up about marmalade altogether. [drooling emoticon]

Thumbwitch Sat 22-Mar-14 13:19:29

grin Sorry!

Seri77 Sat 22-Mar-14 13:25:31

The cabbage carbonara was so good. I didn't follow a recipe, just looked at what was hanging about in the fridge to use up and was inspired. So I shredded the cabbage and boiled it for about 5 mins then drained. Fried chopped up bacon in butter til crispy, added more butter & the cabbage. Added the sad remnants of a pot of creme fraiche, topped up with double cream, plonked in a bowl with some grated cheddar on top. And then swooned!

pseudo I too have had too many cups of tea, 85% choc and nuts this week as I have had a miserable throat infection. I won't have lost. But I'm heartened because that's all I did eat for comfort. And I will carry on next week and hopefully lose.

StuntNun Sat 22-Mar-14 13:40:10

Aaargh I had a slice of wheaten bread for lunch. It's 14 g of carbs. That's okay isn't it? Not the end of the world. I'm going to get the baby to bed then go and shred to try and use up the evil carbs before they get turned into kryptonite glycogen stores.

PseudoBadger Sat 22-Mar-14 13:54:33

Trash thank you, sympathy fatigue is exactly what I have! And DS had a day of being evil 3 year old yesterday, he finished me off. Your party sounds.... fun grin

You're right Seri that it's a victory to have only had too many low carb things, rather than to have fallen on the stuff I would have previously. Hope you're feeling better?

Thumb I mean that I might treat myself to a few carrots, peppers, tomatoes, sweet potato, parsnip etc (not all at once!)

Thumbwitch Sat 22-Mar-14 14:08:00

Ahh, that makes sense.

That carbonara still sounds lovely but I have a question - if you can't have bacon (pig products make me ill and give me Acid), what could you use instead? I've tried using deli turkey slices before and it just doesn't work; not sure what else would (haven't found turkey bacon here so far, sadly)

Seri77 Sat 22-Mar-14 14:21:30

Pseudo absolutely it's a victory. Usually I'd have eaten all sorts of carby horrors. I'm much improved now thank you and winding down the tea & choc. Now the weathers getting warmer my hot drink requirements should subside. Though I might try and wean myself off milk in tea. I have peppers (use as base for pizza toppings & for mince stuffed peppers) and cherry toms a couple of days per week already.

Thumbwitch I don't really know. If I'd not had bacon hanging about in the fridge I probably would have used chopped up chicken pan fried for crispy flavour. Is it the preservatives in processed pig that gives you acid or all pig?

Notsoskinnyminny Sat 22-Mar-14 14:21:56

hello losers! I've been absent for a couple of weeks courtesy of bastard work and next week looks worse sad, finished at 11.30 on Thursday and didn't get away until 6 last night (should finish at 3 on Fridays) so phoned DH and demanded he had a bath and G&T ready - he was worried/thought his luck was in grin as I'm a shower girl and have hardly drank anything during BC. He then spoilt me with a peppered steak and creamy veg.

Trash your life is nothing but eventful grin. DD was after an overlocker when she was doing textiles at school - a mere £5k so she's still waiting grin. Her school was the only place offering DT textiles but she wanted to go to college instead so that was the end of any serious dressmaking and she has to make do with a bogstandard machine.

Whoosh your interview sounds horrendous, when do you find out? My job before this was an all-dayer but they told us on the day. It was a bit embarrassing when they called me in to offer it to me but hadn't dismissed the other candidates in case I said no and they all had to congratulate me through gritted teeth.

Pisci hope you're not too sore today

Snowie moan away, we've all done it at some point.

LMD enjoy your break

Seri that carbonara sounds delicious

Waves at everyone else must go and brave Tesco and Aldi

Lighthousekeeping Sat 22-Mar-14 14:23:27

I've been really crappy this week. I just can't face another celearic and my water consumption hasn't been as it should. I've had the week off work and it hasn't help. I may have to start from the beginning next week.

Notsoskinnyminny Sat 22-Mar-14 14:33:41

Absent for a couple of days not weeks grin

Thumbwitch Sat 22-Mar-14 14:53:57

Seri - all pig. sad The worst offender is actually spit-roast whole pig, which is delicious - I only had it 3 times and every single time I got a sick migraine and bad stomach acid within an hour. Bacon tends to limit itself to just the acid reflux, but that's bad enough. I have similar reactions to chicken as well, sadly! But can have turkey and other meats.

Lighthouse - just keep on keeping on, one bad week is not that bad. Honestly. smile

StuntNun Sat 22-Mar-14 16:42:21

How about smoked salmon instead of bacon in Carbonara Thumbwitch?

Cant. Stop. Eating. Cheese!

By the slab.

Gorgeous, creamy, rich cheese <dribble>

Can someone clever help me with my dinner?

Im craving veg, so have stir fried these veg:

1/2 a big leek
1/2 a small onion
6 shredded large sprouts
1/2 courgette

And had them with Roast chicken thighs.

Im sooo bad at figuring out veg carbs as I rarely eat veg so does that sound ok?

Now Im at my lowest ever weight Im terrified of getting it wrong!

CrabbySpringyBottom Sat 22-Mar-14 18:38:00

Just poking a poorly nose in to say hello. Have the horrible virus that seems to be doing the rounds at the moment. I've caught up with the thread but not feeling up to a super-post, or much of a post at all tbh, so just sending big virus-laden kisses to you all... you might want to dodge those. wink

I was going to say that Trashy I'm sending you an especially big kiss because you make me larf, but that sounds as though I especially want to infect you with my lurgy and I just haven't the energy to express myself any better and...
<<faints with effort of normal communication>>

Whoosh hope you get the job, the interview sounds like a right ordeal.

DurhamDurham Sat 22-Mar-14 18:42:33

I haven't been here all week, hope all is well in Low Carb Land.

Out tonight at a fondue party......very retro!!

Not exactly sure what will be served but if I stick to cheese, meat and salad I can't go too far wrong. Stay away from the bread Durham, stay away from the cheese!!! grin

DurhamDurham Sat 22-Mar-14 18:44:53

Ahem, bread, not cheese. No wine as yet and already I'm not making any sense!

EvaTheOptimist Sat 22-Mar-14 19:03:40

Monkey I'd say that all sounded wonderfully low-carb. Think the only slightly carby veg is the onion and it was a small one so no worries.

What an amazing party experience Trash and I loved your comment about not caring what any other f***er thinks of this WOE.

Thumb are organic butter/milk/eggs likely to be grass-fed?

FelixFelix Sat 22-Mar-14 20:01:32

Durham, fondue party sounds amazing!

Trash, yes I am overlocker obsessed. I studied textiles at college and they had to prise me from the overlockers when I left grin my friend has one and I'm so jealous.

We are going to an amazing Thai place in town tomorrow for the buffet they do. I know they always have a massive joint of slow roasted meat on the go, and a station where they will make a salad for you so I'm hoping I can stay away from the lovely fried starters as they are my favourite things ever!!!

Thank you for giving me the 'nod'.

Cant claim the bottle of Pinot Im enjoying is as healthy grin

trash, that party sounds awesome. Id kill to be invited to a 16th party. id get them all shitfaced for a laugh

BIWI Sat 22-Mar-14 20:24:32

Evening all! Back home from an amazing weekend.

I am not going to tell you what I ate (or drank), but suffice to say I did it all mindfully grin

Crabby - sorry you're virus-ridden - hope you're better soon

monkey - that all looks fine, but tell me you're eating some protein with that?

Umm, masterBIWI, is chicken thighs not protein wink

BIWI Sat 22-Mar-14 21:07:46

Ah. blush



Thumbwitch Sat 22-Mar-14 21:43:47

Stuntnun - smoked salmon, of course! [doh] Thank you. smile

Crabby - get well soon smile

Eva - they're more likely to be grass fed, yes, but not necessarily. I mean, the cows almost certainly will be because I'm pretty sure all dairy cows in the UK are pasture fed; in the USA (where the book I'm reading is from) there are factory farmed dairy cattle who never see the light of day shock and their products have no vit K2. In Australia, they're pretty much all pasture fed too so that's a relief! The more orangey (or deeper yellow) your butter /egg yolks etc, the more likely they are to be grass-fed, because it shows a higher level of beta carotene, which the animals take in at the same time as the green stuff from grass. Yellow animal fat on your meat shows the same thing. Apparently, according to the book, some markets (e.g. the Japanese) prize white fat more, so feeds have been experimented with to reduce the yellow tinge, removing all the grass-based feeds and leaving them purely on grain/protein. Not so healthy!

HeirToTheIronThrone Sat 22-Mar-14 23:02:07

ooh, BIWI, DH took me to Rick Stein's for my birthday last year - seriously one of the best meals I've ever had. And Judi Dench was there!!

Whoosh your interview sounds much scarier than mine was! Fingers crossed for you.

Had a lovely day out which involved lunch at Prezzo (big salmon and avocado salad) and wandering round a market - came away with strawberries, aubergine and somehow four pieces of cheese for £1... Now eating strawberries and cream before bed...

BIWI Sun 23-Mar-14 08:49:06

Didn't see any celebs, and even missed the fact that apparently Rick Stein was standing right behind me, as we were checking out!

But lovely food and a really lovely place. We even managed to avoid the various rain showers and thunder, thankfully.

And back on the wagon today, starting with a PT session at the gym.

CrabbySpringyBottom Sun 23-Mar-14 09:30:48

Thanks BIWI and that meal sounds fabulous! We visited Padstein a few years ago - beautiful place - but sadly couldn't afford to eat there. Would love to though.

Thanks Thumb. Am feeling a bit more human today.

DurhamDurham Sun 23-Mar-14 09:39:14

Felix the fondue party was fab.I ate copious amounts of beef, chicken, some prawns, veg and cheese.

( I then ate melted chocolate with strawberries and marshmallows but did it 'mindfully' so that's allowed grin grin)

Only had one glass of wine which deserves a pat on the back as I offered a whole lot more.

WhooshFuckerFairy Sun 23-Mar-14 13:08:20

Well - I have to say .... I am broken ! Just went to a new class at the gym called '24' - so called as only 24 mins .... Let's just say - I am broken - but loved it , 'burpees' ' tombstones' and all sorts of unheard of terms with a young gorgeous man shouting and trying to look strict and yet secretly couldn't help laughing at us begging for Zumba !

trashy that party tale did make me chuckle - just before I 'met' all you fab virtual viper mates , my Dd1 ( nearly 17) persuaded us to let her have a New Year's Eve party .... We had strict strict rules . Strict invite list - all naice kids (!) , spoke to all parents , supervised the arrival and searched all bags for any alcohol or substances (!!- dd1 mortified of course) . We made them eat supper .. We provided weak beers ,some wine - that was it . We 'popped' out for a quick supper so they had some time without the parents .... We were out for about 90 mins ! Total carnage when we got back !!! Dd1 beside herself as she couldn't understand how it had all changed so quickly ! Poor boys couldn't take their beers - lots of vomit ! The girls were all dancing and fine ! And there was one naked couple in my bed !!! Aaaggghhhh ! I did a bit of sex/ health education - as you can imagine :-)

Find out tomorrow re: interview/job ..... Feel very relaxed now , it was murder - so I expect the right person will have found it less so . It was good practice and experiences have been stored for the next time one of these posts comes up !

GatoradeMeBitch Sun 23-Mar-14 14:05:57

Oh crap... I made another really stupid mistake. I just assumed - don't know why, I'm just a moron - that jelly cubes are sugar free. They are SO not. I've been wolfing this stuff down this week. I estimate I've eaten over 90g of carbs just through jelly!!

It's good for me in one way, the gelatin is beneficial for another health problem I have, but still! At least it doesn't seem to have had a horrific effect on the scales, I've gained a pound, but I've had several slips lately, so it's not too bad.

CrabbySpringyBottom Sun 23-Mar-14 16:13:41

Quick question/comment. Did someone on here mention recently that they have endometriosis, or am I completely imagining that? confused

Pretty comprehensive clinical review of it in the BMJ this week if so... am happy to C&P the full article in a PM. I'm sure someone mentioned it recently but I'm damned if I can remember who/where!

gatorade sugar free ones are sugar free... Is that helpful ;)

GatoradeMeBitch Sun 23-Mar-14 18:59:41

Do sugar free ones taste as nice? I still have some of the full sugar stuff in the fridge, I might just have it, then ubercamp for a few days for balance!

By the way, this may have been discussed already but I only just saw it. You can currently get £25 of free meat with Ocado, explained on this thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/a2019389-Ocado-shoppers-25-of-free-meat-pies-ice-cream

Yes, I don't mind them at all. I am diabetic so have tended to have sugar free jelly more than most probably! Although I think they are usually the ones made from granules rather than cubes... I am also assuming they still have gelatin in, which they might not I suppose!

<runs in to lick the inside of crabby's mouth thus contracting a different virus to the one currently living in colon.... goes off to do another yellow poo>

Ooh and good luck for interview results whooshy cannot believe you searched their bags

WhooshFuckerFairy Mon 24-Mar-14 07:00:22

Mouth licking ...... ! dirty bitch grin

SayraT Mon 24-Mar-14 07:59:27

Morning everyone grin

Can't believe this is the last day sad though I am carrying on so will see you all on the continuation thread until the next BC.

I want to say a huge thank you to you all, I have tried and failed to lose weight many times (as have many others, I'm sure) but finally I feel that I am making progress and can actually do this.

To BIWI thank you for starting this, your BC threads are what made me join MN, I saw that many others had success with this WOE and tried to follow the threads as a lurker. That didn't work so I just had to join and when I joined in and was supported by so many others on the same weight-loss journey everything just seemed to fall into place.

Thank you willie for the spreadsheet, it can't be easy and as much as I like the weight-tracker the spreadsheet helps you to remember that you are not alone.

Everyone else thank you for being here, chatting, sharing ups and downs. I feel I have got to know some of you really well and hope we can carry on downwards together thanks

Thanks to you all I have managed to lose a total of 21 lbs on BC, I can see and feel a difference and I couldn't have done it without you.

Right, enough of this before I start thanking the dog etc grin

SayraT Mon 24-Mar-14 08:04:25

Sorry, I was lying! I've lost 20 lbs grin

Suzymoo9 Mon 24-Mar-14 08:24:58

Hello I'm still here too and echo all Sarya T has said above. Will be carrying on also smile.

NeverEndingLaundry Mon 24-Mar-14 08:42:51

Hello. I've only done 2 weeks but I wait eagerly for the next bootcamp! Thank you everyone for being here to inspire me and fill me with confidence. I'm so grateful. I've lost only 4lbs, but TOTM and wine.

I've set up a little home bootcamp tick-box list for myself for the next 2 weeks and stuck it on the kitchen cupboard. It has a box for each day containing 10 mini-boxes, one for each rule. Gosh I'm strict.

Just incidentally, anyone got any advice about Mirena coil? Mine's time is nearly up and I wonder if there's any truth in the idea that they make you fat, depressed etc? I know drs tend to say not, and there are plenty other reasons for my being both, but I'm thinking I'll have it taken out and not replaced. I'm 40.

GatoradeMeBitch Mon 24-Mar-14 09:14:04

221 today, so I lost 17lbs on this bootcamp. Considering I had several slips, (including several just in this last week...) I'm very happy with that, thanks BIWI and willie smile

I'm hoping to be a regular on the continuation thread, I have a long way to go, and in the words of some famous old courtesan I need to 'bring my desires to heel like whipped spaniels' instead of having them charging rampantly around my head!

StuntNun Mon 24-Mar-14 09:31:30

STS for the third week in a row so I might be due for a whoosh. Still 5 lb off this Bootcamp so I've lost the weight I put on around Christmas when I was struggling with depression. Onwards and downwards for me. I've started exercising a bit more lately which might mess with the weight loss so I'm not going to be so fussed about what's on the scale as I can see more muscle now even if it is disguised by a layer of flab!

I have experimented with daily weighing this week and my weights this week were:
134 lb 3.5 oz
133 lb 2 oz
132 lb 0 oz
132 lb 4 oz
132 lb 14 oz
134 lb 3.5 oz
132 lb 0 oz
So my weight is fluctuating up and down by over two pounds even from one day to the next. If just goes to show how much difference water retention or one carby twat day can make to your weight and mask any real weight loss. I'm definitely going to keep using the True Weight app as the weighted moving average makes a lot more sense to me than daily weighing which I can't resist and wait until once a week to weigh.

Thumbwitch Mon 24-Mar-14 09:35:33

Can't believe it's been 10 weeks! I will be carrying on for sure. Thanks BIWI for all your input, hard work and stick-wielding! thanksgrin

Lighthousekeeping Mon 24-Mar-14 09:43:49

I lost 12lb all together.
Very pleased. I'm going to carry on strictly for afew more weeks as I've been really bad the past couple, not drinking enough water but drinking booze. Thank you BIWI I've really enjoyed it x

HeirToTheIronThrone Mon 24-Mar-14 10:13:16

Up 1lb or so for me, but I had a real issue with some compulsive biscuit eating last week, so not surprised. It still makes about half a stone off this BC - not too shabby. I'll be keeping on keeping on too.

And yes, of course, thanks to BIWI and Willie and indeed all you vipers for your time and support.

seriouslion Mon 24-Mar-14 10:22:45

I've lost 12lbs in total as I started the week before so I'm really pleased.

I'm so glad I stuck with it through the fluctuations - and everyone on the thread's reassurances are to thank for that. Its so supportive and great having everyone doing it together! The trend has finally shown itself!

Thanks all! I'm still keeping on and will try and post more often too.

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 24-Mar-14 10:46:36

Morning, another one who can't believe it's been 10 weeks. I started a week earlier and didn't weigh myself for a week, so I know I will have lost more than I'm actually recording but I have lost about sixteen pounds officially, have yet to weigh in this week.

16! Bloody marvellous.

Am keeping going as my target is August 6th when I go to India with my daughter.

Am so grateful to everyone, for although I post very little I have found the thread very reassuring and supportive.


DurhamDurham Mon 24-Mar-14 11:09:30

Morning All.

I going to keep on keeping on. Haven't lost weigh during the last few weeks but I have been quite relaxed about it all recently. Only have a few pounds to go now so may need to cut back on calories as well as keeping an eye on carbs to achieve the last bit of weight loss.
I love this way of eating, I will continue to ignore bread, pasta, potatoes and rice as I don't miss them at all. I will however eat all manner of vegetables because I enjoy them all, I can't wait to tuck into a huge corn on the cob. I will treat myself to the odd piece of dark chcolate (daily!) and the odd piece of cake when we go out for coffee.

Loved the last ten weeks. Its been a blast, a low carb blast!! smile

Boooo, its all over.

Ive lost a total of 25lb.

I have another 15lb to go, but its very very slow, so I expecting that to take another 15-20 weeks.

Whens the next BC?

Thank you all so, so, so much flowers

EvaTheOptimist Mon 24-Mar-14 11:30:00

Congratulations all, there are some AMAZING losses here! onwards and downwards.

I lost 8.6lb this bootcamp. It could have been 10lb but I've put 1.5lb on since yesterday - TOTM could be a factor. I'm not worried though, as I fluctuate like StuntNun. As you all know from earlier in this thread, I could not be more pleased with my overall many-and-longtime-bootcamping transformation.

And Thank you all for sharing your thoughts over the last 10 weeks, the support does really help with the keeping on keeping on.

I will certainly be checking in to catch up on the between-bootcamp continuing.

This is now day 1 of my personal Maintaining my weight and not putting it on again Challenge!

PseudoBadger Mon 24-Mar-14 12:18:14

I've lost (including the unofficial soft start to bootcamp).....
30lbs!!!! Which is amazing. I'll be slightly more relaxed now until next bootcamp, but I'll be back to lose the rest next time. It's been wonderful working with you all grin

PseudoBadger Mon 24-Mar-14 12:19:06

And thank you BIWI and Willie and all other people who are behind this and provide support flowers

sybilfaulty Mon 24-Mar-14 12:48:16

I don't post much but I read a lot and enjoy everyone's posts. I didn't weigh today but will do so tomorrow.

Thanks so much to BIWI, Willie and all the lovely ladies who have provided the chat and support. Love to everyone.

Thumbwitch Mon 24-Mar-14 13:04:49

Well that's annoyed me ever so slightly. I had a few stalls along the way but no actual gains - until this last week. And I know exactly why, which makes me even crosser with myself for being so weak. And crosser still because mid-week I was another lb down from last week, and was heading happily for 11 1/2 stone - but have bounced upwards instead.

Overall I have still lost a whole stone over the 10 weeks though, so am very pleased with that - this last week's gain just proves to me that I need to stop cheating and stay on this WOE for a while longer yet if I want to keep the weight off! I still have at least another stone to go for me to feel even halfway happy; and I know I can do it, I just have to be stronger and avoid the devil's food completely, in its many forms (chocolate).

As I said before though, I'm not stopping as such at all. I'm just going to keep on keeping on with the extra incentive to stay away from the bad stuff.

Will both the spreadsheet and the weight tracker continue as we go?

WhooshFuckerFairy Mon 24-Mar-14 13:35:14

Happy Monday.....

I am a Happy Happy Whooshfuckerfairy,

A) I have dropped a lb this week - making a total of the 14lb I had wanted exactly. Biwithanks. Found a WOE for life, Learnt a lot, learnt from mistakes, made good virtual viper friends, very happy...

B) I just heard..... I GOT THE JOB !! Fuck me , I cannot believe it shock. In Nursing terms this is a big deal - I remember thinking I would never be ' grown up' enough to be an 8b.... and now I am ! not that I feel grownup

I second everything that Sayra said earlier - its been fantastic - thankyou to each and everyone.

eva I am joining you on a challenge of not putting weight on and maintaining until the next bootcamp. I think I have got about 10lb to perfect goal weight - but feel great, so determined NOT to yoyo.

Kisses to all - except the infected ones <hides from Trashy's licking> grin

EvaTheOptimist Mon 24-Mar-14 13:42:03

Whoosh! huge congratulations on getting the job after the observed focus group of hell!! Its official you are the best!

Thumbwitch Mon 24-Mar-14 14:58:39

Oh fantastic work, Whoosh! Congratulations thanks but no wine or cake

WhooshFuckerFairy Mon 24-Mar-14 17:17:22

wine wine wine wine ........ Tonight
Water water water water tomorrow !

HeirToTheIronThrone Mon 24-Mar-14 17:21:43

Oh my word Whoosh -well done you! Clearly a side effect of BC is making people excellent at getting jobs smile

sybilfaulty Mon 24-Mar-14 18:14:00

I am so thrilled for you, Whoosh! I think wine is definitely in order if you promise to drink gallons of water tomorrow. May I ask what sort if nursing you do? Huge congratulations. Lovely news.

TwitMcMuskeWhatevs Mon 24-Mar-14 18:25:38

Final weigh in; 153lb

So am going to keep on, bootcamp lite until the next bootcamp, and try again.

Well done to everyone who has lost, brilliant news about your job.
Thank you BIWI and WILLIE for your hard work and encouragement.
I'll see you on the next bootcamp, does anyone know when it might be?

WhooshFuckerFairy Mon 24-Mar-14 18:52:37

sybil - I work in child protection/ safeguarding . I will be moving up from a Named Nurse in an acute trust to a county wide Desgnated Nurse for a CCG.

EverythingIsAwesome Mon 24-Mar-14 20:34:10

Have had a slip-up, full of the cold and living on lemsips, but going to keep on. Well done to everyone!

Congrats whoosh!!!

FelixFelix Mon 24-Mar-14 20:50:41

Congrats whoosh, what a great end to your 10 weeks!

Massive well done to everyone smile

CrabbySpringyBottom Mon 24-Mar-14 21:20:48

Whoosh that's bloody fabulous news!! flowers 8b is a bloody fabulous salary too! wink Huge Congratulations x

Well I'm still here, still ill, still a carby twat.

Massive thanks to BIWI for this wonderful Bootcamp flowers wine and thank you to Willie also for the spreadsheet of wondrousness. flowers

I have really enjoyed getting to know you all; you are a fabulous bunch of wise, honest, funny women. The last ten weeks have been made much richer by these threads and you lots.

flowers wine [tea] (minimal milk and no sugar, obviously, low carb cake to all, and a big virus-laden snog for Trashy!

Now where's our chat thread?? wink

whooshy that's bloody tremendous news! well well well well done grin

thanks so much to everbody for every little bit of encouragement and love I've felt and shared through this bc

thanks BIWI and willie

Although, I feel proper miserable today. All my effort has come to nowt. I weigh exactly the same as when I began bootcamp. I know I'm following the rules, and I can't fucking understand why it isn't working for me. I am doggedly going to continue so will see everybody on the chat thread, and feel like I've been a rubbish bootcamp buddy the last couple of weeks, what with my dramas and whingebagging.

maybe just maybe I'll sts for another few weeks and then whoosh down some more....

Anyway, I've been a proper nobhead today and ate crappy chocolate. That is the second time I've cheated on this bootcamp. I ate a mini creme egg, three mini malteasters and a small (but not the smallest) lindt hazelnut easter bunny.

Pah. Humph. Fuckass

EvaTheOptimist Mon 24-Mar-14 21:44:23

Trash we all love to hear from you, none of this whingebagging self-criticism nonsense please. Its a real shame you feel miserable (and the same sympathies to Twit too). I wish I could just wave a magic wand for you both!

Aaaaaaaw thanks eva.... I totally know you're right, and I'd say the same to any other whinge bagger grin. Perhaps I'm hormonal... I am mentally scraping my face along concrete this evening. and I never told you how ace your photo was - and that was ages back. I am definitely going to post me a 'before' picture. Tomorrow! I shall do it tomorrow.

BIWI Mon 24-Mar-14 23:32:39


You are all fabulous.

Well done to all of you who have lost loads. Commiserations to those of you who are struggling a bit.

I have to say that I have been a massive carby twat this time around, and so I haven't done that well at all blush

I have another trip away with DH (my Christmas present this time!) to San Sebastian, at the end of May - the second bank holiday weekend - and I would really like to have shifted a bit of weight by then so that I can wear nice summery stuff.

I will definitely be keeping the chat thread going!

TwitMcMuskeWhatevs Tue 25-Mar-14 06:26:29

<links arms with trashy> I had a small dairy milk last night. Back on the wagon though now...

Do you feel better on the inside though? I do, so it's worth eating this way for that alone.
(I'm determined to believe that. wink)
I want to lose some weight for summer, so I dint feel so self conscious, which is always an issue for me anyway.

biwi does that nean you'll be doing a new bootcamp sooN?

Seri77 Tue 25-Mar-14 07:02:52

Despite my virus induced chocolate and tea fest I've lost another 0.4lbs this week, taking me to 11.4lbs total lost over bootcamp. I'm less than 1lb away from being 10 stone something.

Thank you BIWI, Willie (I do love a good spreadsheet), and everyone else for your encouragement and the feeling of all being in it together.

I have roughly another 22lbs to goal weight so I will be continuing and looking forward to the next bootcamp already.

For those who haven't lost much, maybe you feel better for eating more veg and less highly processed stuff? I certainly do. I've read that it can sometimes take the body a while to lose weight as hormones etc are readjusting to the more nutritious diet, certainly sounds feasible. And I wouldn't be surprised if stress plays a part too.

<cries into twits hair> maybe leaves a bit of drool behind

I do feel better in meself, as they say. I think I've had an arsey run of drama/stress too, during this bc. Usually life is rather pleasantly dull, in a sort of 'Hobbit of the Shire' manner. I have noticed that when ever I begin some kind of game changing endevour, it sends ripples through time and space and all manner of shizwang starts to go off. Fuck, that sounds a bit 'woo'.... I am not a believer of 'woo'

And, I am definitely not at the mercy of my cravings/appetites any more. I am also not gaining which I have been doing for the past two years. In fact, I did lose a stone during bc, however, I did put it on at the start of bc hmm due to gorging.....

Are we staying on this thread for this week? I am going to take most of my clothes off and do a selfie in a minute. That way each week we can all look at my body shape and see the positive changes grin

Hopefully the post will not get deleted for being obscene....

Eek. Can't believe I'm doing this. Snigger. Also, the pooch is not mine, he's a clients doggy! grin

LittleMissDisorganized Tue 25-Mar-14 10:28:28

Hi everyone,
I'm home... and was so exhausted when we got back I went straight to bed and have slept and slept and slept...
Congratulations Whoosh that's awesome news. Can I make it 3 interviews and 3 jobs on this thread after Heir having success a few weeks back do you think??

I was also a mindful carby twat over the weekend - there was so much food - and people eating it, and complaining about it, and... it made me realise how odd most people's relationship/behaviour around food is. So I made my choices about what was "worth it" - mostly breakfast and dinner, not much lunch, and sweet stuff is what I've really missed, rather than bread or potatoes, etc, so I let myself have that. And I'm back on the wagon today. Not sure coach holidays are really my thing but glad to have had the experience.

Interview tomorrow, surgery Thursday - if I feel carb-flu rough, which I guess I might after 4 days off - anyone know? - then I'm not going to make myself do my interview feeling ill, I will up my carbs slightly at lunch. I also know that eating something is one of the criteria for being allowed home after day case surgery - but wondering about taking in some nuts and dark chocolate and seeing if that is "allowed" instead of toast. But if I have to have toast I shall enjoy every mouthful, I'll have fasted for hours after all!!

Well done to all the amazing losers especially Pseudo as you've been BF as well, and monkey that's amazing to lose that much whilst drinking and eating sweet stuff every week - if you can stick to it the rest will come off easily.

WhooshFuckerFairy Tue 25-Mar-14 13:03:58

Wow trash Matching undies - they are gorgeous - come on fess up - did you put them on especially for the photo ? Mine are very unmatching and very very boring in comparison ! And you have a waist.... and if I am not mistaken the beginnings of a sixpack !

Good luck LMD for interview and surgery - gulp - what a week !

<decides to buy new pants>

WhooshFuckerFairy Tue 25-Mar-14 13:04:32

and may I say - what fabulous Norks....<jealous>

HeirToTheIronThrone Tue 25-Mar-14 13:16:36

I agree Trash - I have undies envy! and also boobs envy, gah

LittleMissDisorganized Tue 25-Mar-14 13:49:27

Trash I must have cross posted with you, wow, that's brave!!!! I think you must be taller than me because I really don't have your figure and am a bit lighter than you. And you have real confidence to do that. I sat in my underwear on Saturday night whilst curling my hair at the hotel we stayed at and that was huge for me, usually I wouldn't have had the confidence to do that, to keep seeing myself. You are doing brilliantly, because on this journey how we feel about ourselves is huge, I think, so wrapped up in food and size and weight (loss) etc.

It is quite a week and I feel awful today - like a hangover (except I haven't been drinking) - is this fatigue, and will I cope with work yet if I get it? So hard and confusing, there isn't anything part time so I don't feel like I really have options.

Waggles norks at whooshy and Heir parading like a nobhead.

I so put them on specially whooshy clothes maketh the man and all that grin

I must confess however, they cost pennies.... Asda blush Although, shame on all of you for having scratty pants. No one's going to give you permission to buy excellent keks y'know.

Hee hee grin

Now on to more serious subjects. LMD interview and surgery!! Have you packed your bag yet? Does it have a straw in it? I can't be without a straw post op... it's like birth and warm towels, essential imo

oh and I'm a bloody giant - 5 foot 11 inches hmm

which has nothing to do with straws....

Notsoskinnyminny Tue 25-Mar-14 17:58:37

Phwoar at Trashy grin do you always take your clothes off when you're looking after a client's dog grin

I've STS this week but I've lost just over 1/2 a stone so I'm made up. It could've been more if I'd done SW with colleagues but I can see them starting to get bored with the fruit and mullerlights whereas I am loving the food on this WOE, I've learnt to cook properly from scratch without a jar, eaten veggies I'd never had before and now love them and haven't been hungry once. Carbflu was shit and I was pissed off when I stalled for 4 wks but I kept going and want to say a big thanks to BIWI for her advice and stick wielding and to crabby for her wonderful blog I might use every utensil and gadget but the results are worth it

Anyway enough about me. LMD hope everything goes ok this week, you don't do things by halves. Whoosh congrats on the promotion. Mwah to everyone else got to find a home for all my shoes 80 boxes and counting so the carpet fitter can find the walls to measure up grin

<snogs crabby>

SayraT Tue 25-Mar-14 21:53:37

trash love the undies grin

At some point I will post photos, I have a before and one during just now, when I have an after (or a further on during) then I will post them I promise.

LMD I am glad you are becoming more confident in your body (I am trying to say this without being patronising). Hopefully that continues upwards as your weight continues downwards smile Good luck for interview and surgery, hope both go well.

Have had a not so good week food-wise so far but we will just ignore that. I am also going to visit a friend in the Netherlands this weekend so I guess I won't be eating LC, she is vegetarian so probably pasta! Think the end of the month due to various outings is going to be a bit of a write-off, back properly on the 1st April.

Was in a competition thingy on Monday (I'm doing a PhD and it is a national speaking thingy do dah), I was first place from my institute. I am sort of pleased, sort of not. Pleased because of the prize money, not pleased because I need to now go to the finals and speak again (not got a problem speaking, I just have more important things to do grin)

CrabbySpringyBottom Tue 25-Mar-14 23:46:21

Trashy you saucy minx!! shock grin Does that dog's owner know you're using it as an accessory in glamour photography? grin Love the undies (and your magnificent norks)!

NotSo I'm glad the blog has been useful. I need to pull myself together and start following my own recipes again. I keep thinking 'next week I'll stop being a carby twat...' And next week never comes. blush

Piscivorous Wed 26-Mar-14 00:04:01

Trashy You have an ace figure! Impressed with the undies too.

Whoosh and Sayra Congratulations and LittleMiss Good luck. What a high powered bunch you are this bootcamp!

Quick shit shout to everybody else as I'm knackered and off to bed

FelixFelix Wed 26-Mar-14 07:34:36

Trash you have a lovely shape! Do you mind me asking how much you weigh?

Just had my second weeks weigh in and I've lost 3lb gringringringrin so that's half a stone already! I'm so impressed!

LittleMissDisorganized Wed 26-Mar-14 12:07:19

Urgh - I'm fairly sure I have some sort of lurgy. Feel very tired, hot, sore throat. Going to have to force myself to do the interview but I'll hardly perform well when all I want to do is curl up in bed. Suspect surgery will get cancelled. Feel really, really rough (and sorry for myself, need a good kick out of that).

EvaTheOptimist Wed 26-Mar-14 13:51:42

LittleMiss what a bad time to be ill! How disappointing. All the stress must be getting to your "systems" maybe? Very good luck if you make it to the interview.

Trash I could not post such a picture of myself as my stomach is WRECKED by two lots of pregnancy stretching.

I've been enjoying very much my new "maintenance" eating. This is: Bootcamp but with 4 off-piste moments per week. I'm going to see whether that will enable me to stay under 11 stone. Both Monday and Tuesday had an enjoyable off-piste moment! I'm going to save the other 2 until the weekend. I feel really unsure whether its helpful for me to talk about this here though, maybe I should start a different thread. Hmmm

GatoradeMeBitch Wed 26-Mar-14 18:42:41

Well today has been my shittest day since I started sad

And it started well. The scales had gone to their lowest point yet - 19lb loss. I got a phonecall to say that a friend had died suddenly. So I jumped into the sugary carbs. I know it's an excuse to eat crap, but I don't really care today.

My ocado meat order came though, so I will be getting back into it soon, just not today, and maybe not tomorrow. And no more pork scratchings. I can't pretend that I like them anymore.

LittleMissDisorganized Wed 26-Mar-14 19:39:46

Oh Gatorade I'm so sorry. The WOE will always be here and it works for you, when you are ready. But now you have to just get through. Through the shock, and the initial grief. I hope you have people around you in RL that are caring and supportive.

I didn't make it and tomorrow is pretty unlikely. I'm really disappointed, and upset with myself. Head is bad and neck stiffness - bit worrying if it continues - aching everywhere, exhausted. I did get flu jabbed, luckily. Will have to go in in the morning and see. And I've fallen off the wagon, first time despite having been ill a few times during bootcamp. But I will get back on with it straight after surgery (or it's cancellation) tomorrow.

EvaTheOptimist Wed 26-Mar-14 20:55:16

I am so sorry Gatorade, how awful! Please do not beat yourself up about food at a time like this. Some things are much more important.

BIWI Wed 26-Mar-14 21:08:13

Gatorade - I'm so sorry sad.

Just be kind to yourself and do what you need to do. We will still all be here for you when you're ready


WhooshFuckerFairy Wed 26-Mar-14 21:10:40

gatorade ..... Thoughts with you - what a terrible shock , only time will ease it . Be kind to yourself x

Thumbwitch Wed 26-Mar-14 21:46:48

So sorry to hear your bad news Gator sad
Well done on your 19lb loss though, and I'm sure that one or 2 days of carbing won't make too much difference.

I was a carby twat yesterday - had friends come over for the afternoon and dinner, and made banana bread with 2 black bananas, and of course I had to try some; then DH made cottage pie for dinner so I had some mash (only a small amount) and a glass of wine. And then an iceccream-onna-stick. And then an entire bar of G&B milk and almond chocolate blush

Not good. But I can't see the scales to check the effect because my glasses broke last night, courtesy of DS2 having fractured one of the joints between bridge and frame - it finally gave way. Today DH is taking us all to do the school run so we can go straight to the optician afterwards to get a new frame for the lenses I can't see more than 4" in front of my nose without them!

Piscivorous Wed 26-Mar-14 22:15:51

I've been shit today too and no real excuse except possibly stress at work. Made some pecans of doom and ate the whole lot, swilled down with a bucketful of Diet Coke. Oh well I'll go to bed soon and tomorrow is another day

FelixFelix Wed 26-Mar-14 22:17:35

So sorry Gator sad

Oh no gator you poor poor thing thanks I'm so awfully sorry for you. Really don't give the sugary stuff a second thought, sometimes you just have to get through the moment however you can. Have you got people to support you? Sending you waves of love through the ether xxx

And LMD what a rotten shame. Let us know how it all pans out in the morning. Have they rescheduled the interview.

Oh my lovely bootcamp friends, I'm thinking of you muchly xxxx

Thumbwitch Thu 27-Mar-14 03:38:05

Oh sorry, LMD, didn't see your post! Bad luck re. getting ill and missing your interview - does that mean the end of that job prospect entirely, or will they let you interview when you're better?

CrabbySpringyBottom Thu 27-Mar-14 08:07:48

Gator so sorry to hear about your friend. flowers Be kind to yourself.

LMiss oh no! You've had some rotten luck lately. That sounds exactly like the virus that's been sweeping through everyone I know (including us) too. A headache that's been there in varying severity for a couple of weeks now, and really bad at times in the last week, deep aches in bones and joints, tired all the time, hot/shivery and so on. It's a nasty one. I hope by a miracle you're feeling better today and can attend the interview. If not, can you reschedule it?

WhooshFuckerFairy Thu 27-Mar-14 10:38:40

piscy.... what are pecans of doom.... sounds like I might like them

crabby. My baking mad daughter wants to make me a cake or some truffles type of things for mothers day..... what can she make me that I will eat ?? do you happen to have a bootcamp friendly type idea.?

DH has amazing timing.... after wholeheartedly refusinmg to embrace the LC WOE, he has loved and devoured all my tasty meals, but ate high carb all the rest of the time... As a result, has gained the stone that I have lost snigger Soooooo - he has decided today - he is doing bootcamp grin...just when I am relaxing my rules just a tad !

StuntNun Thu 27-Mar-14 16:09:47

Whoosh how about homemade chocolates made from dark chocolate and double cream?

LittleMissDisorganized Thu 27-Mar-14 16:59:06

Well, the interview was irrelevant. I'm home from having my surgery and it's much more major than I was led to believe - at least 2 weeks of immobilisation, with minimal weightbearing in the house, and she's done more than planned, so I am really really sore, and struggling with viral yuckiness, and just quite overwhelmed with the way life seems to have turned upside down on me.

And I did have to have post-op toast - which was very welcome at 1:30 - so I am mindfully OFF the wagon today, and struggling to think about how DH can manage to feed us, for 2 weeks, and me still eat LC. Obviously we've done this before, for many weeks, but it's bung in the oven territory, or else very careful instructions, but I couldn't talk him through cauli mash AND griddled steak, etc - one thing yes, two or more = disaster. BUT I do not want to undo all the work I've done. Maybe today isn't the day for any decisions. I've got him something easy-ish for tonight, and we'll see how we get on.

Gatorade how are you feeling today? Love and prayers, if that's ok to say, to you.

Whoosh I made nut butter brownies from the Low Carb Gourmet book when I had friends over for afternoon tea (amongst other things) - so I had something to eat. 3g Carbohydrate per serving. Shall I copy out the recipe for you?

GatoradeMeBitch Thu 27-Mar-14 17:31:53

Thanks for your kind words everyone. It probably wasn't right for me to mention my friend passing in a thread about low carbing, but I was in a bit of a state yesterday. I'd better not mention it any more here, just in case. I know her Mum is a MN'er, and you never know. I wouldn't want to upset her.

I ate horribly yesterday, so much sugar and caffeine, then I had to get up in the night and drink loads of water because my pulse was so fast. I'm having a semi-crap day today then I need to pull myself together. I'm looking for dinner inspiration on the recipe thread.

I didn't think they would let you have your surgery while ill, LMD. I'm glad you made it through ok! It must be horrible to coping with all that at once, take good care of yourself, in every non-carby way you can think of smile

gator no wrong to mention it at all, so sorry to hear about your friend. Take as much time to grieve as you need. When you feel you want to get back on low carb again, and it found once before it gave me something to focus on, I would suggest planning your absolute favourite low carb things. For me that was a rib eye steak with horseradish mayo, home made burgers and pork belly with crispy crackling all with veg/salad of course.

BIWI Thu 27-Mar-14 17:53:29

Gator - this is a support thread. No worries whatsoever about talking about non-low carb stuff here.

LittleMiss - hope you recover swiftly and that your DH can be properly instructed!

LittleMissDisorganized Thu 27-Mar-14 18:27:16

I was surprised too, Gatorade - I was going to cancel myself yesterday but I wanted to see my consultant so I decided I'd go in. They are only concerned about chest infections, which I don't have any symptoms or signs of, so hopefully it'll just be a few days of horrible recovery from both. In masses of pain, trying to distract by pottering about online....

I've written today off food-wise. I will get straight back on tomorrow. I'm not beating myself up for struggling today, but I will, I must, draw a line.

Notsoskinnyminny Thu 27-Mar-14 18:57:06

Gator, sorry to hear about your friend, be kind to yourself thanks

LMD, the nights when DH cooks usually mean fried red meat and mushrooms, if he's being adventurous he'll do the mushrooms in the oven with chopped peppers, olive oil and cumin seeds or creamy mushrooms (fried with a dollop of cream cheese, glug of DC and some grated cheese). He can also manage chicken stuffed with cream cheese, mushrooms can't you tell what veg he likes wrapped in ham and topped with cheese. Weekend breakfasts consist of bacon topped with cheese, fried eggs and you've guessed fried mushrooms.

Rubbish day foodwise, went on a course and took a salad and some ff yog with frozen berries but left it in the car to keep cold as our LA doesn't provide food or refreshments but we weren't allowed to leave the building until we'd completed the assessment. They'd put a buffet on which was bread, bread and more bread and a plate of sausage rolls. I was tempted to say I'm a coeliac but our chair of govs was there and didn't want to make a fuss asking for an escort to the carpark. It was the first time in 10 weeks that I've eaten bread and I'm really bloated and windy blush

FelixFelix Thu 27-Mar-14 19:11:00

Gatorade I've not been here long, but everyone seems to chat about all sorts so don't worry about talking about your friend. We are all here to listen.

LMD wishing you a speedy recovery! Post-op toast sounds amazing grin

We are having slow cooked pulled pork for tea with roasted veggies and I CANT WAIT shock

WhooshFuckerFairy Thu 27-Mar-14 19:35:41

Good idea stunt and yes please lmd - unless you could link to it x

Thumbwitch Thu 27-Mar-14 21:13:11

LMD - that does sound quite rough, especially while you're fighting off a virus as well! My DH can't deal with the concept of low carb cooking either, despite it being over 10 weeks now - he still just doesn't think in a low carb way at all. I hope your recovery goes well and speedily.

Gator - another one saying it really is ok to discuss whatever is troubling you in here, as it all impacts on how well we deal with our eating, and we can support you in whatever troubles you.

Notsoskinny - that sounds a bit crap. Hope the bloat doesn't last long.

I made a lowcarb version of salmon mornay last night - well except for the flour I used to thicken it - was trying to work out what to use for the breadcrumbs on top and suddenly thought "Aha!" and used whizzed cauliflower. smile
I made a bit of an error though, because I whizzed it with parmesan (trying to be clever hmm) and then had to work out how to make sure it cooked properly. SO I had to cook it in the oven with the lid on to start, to steam the cauli, and then lid off for the last 10 mins to try and brown it. It wasn't perfect but it was very tasty and everyone scoffed it down very quickly!

FelixFelix Thu 27-Mar-14 21:16:58

Thumb that sounds delicious!

Thumbwitch Thu 27-Mar-14 22:10:26

Oh it was... my only sadness is that it was so nice we ate all of it, no leftovers! I used half a block of Boursin in the sauce as well, that added to the general deliciousness grin

Evening ladies

gator you've heard some of the shit that I've shared/shouted these last weeks on this thread. I think pretty much anything goes. And food is so tied up with our emotions, it's impossible to discuss one without the context of the other. In the coming days and weeks and months this ^will ^affect you, and we're here to support you in the full knowledge of what you are going through.

LMD you sound a bit steamrollered honey. What a ratbag of a week. I really hope you're not too uncomfortable and are being fed something vaguely edible.

I am utterly shocked by the amount of non cooking/needing instruction DH's. I think I've landed on my feet as DP is a whizz in the kitchen. You poor darlings.

whooshy that's very funny about your dp gaining your lost stone. Serves him bloody right, the little piggy. Arf arf.

pisci I'm extending an arm of love for your shitty day. thanks

notso you bread nob! grin I would have shamelessly made someone escort me to the car.

eva that is bad luck about your belly! I thought mine was utterly wrecked. When I was pregnant the first time, I was 18 and I got the most hideous looking stretchmarks all over my boobs and lower belly. I was fucking mortified at the time and felt my life was ruined. I have since come to realise how lightly I got off, as they faded and don't extend far up my tummy at all. By some insane miracle, my twin pregnancy when I was 27 didn't alter my body one jot....

The only thing I can attribute this to is that I got really heavy whilst I was at uni weighing 16 stone (post 1st dc) and then lost weight (6 stone doing atkins over one year) I think I was too skinny at the end, weighing 10 stone and size eight (oh the irony) and wham! I fell pregnant with the twins. I think because I was so slender during that pregnancy, but my skin clearly had remembered being bigger hmm that I didn't get a single stretch mark or anything. The bloody birth was a piece of piss compared to the fanny wrecking first time round as well [wizards sleeve emoticon] Even though the second twin was bum first (double breech?) and born in his bag!

You know, when I get on to waffling like this, I can't help but feel so bloody grateful for having a body in the first place. I remember when I was diagnosed with cervical cancer, I sat in front of the mirror, (and at that point I had gone mega fat again and weighed 20 stone!) and I swore to myself that I would never give my body a hard time for the way I looked. I fell in love with myself at that moment in time, as I knew that without this vehicle to travel through life with, I was nothing - quite literally. I love my body, and I love that I can be me in it. Me the person, but also me the mother, friend, partner.

Blimey. Dunno where that came from.

On another note. Think I have got raging thrush off the flucox I got for the nose infection. Fanjo is sore and doesn't look as it should. Nipples sore too - and not in a hormonal way. Humph. Pharmacy tomorrow I think.

Am weighing daily and writing it on the noticeboard in the kitchen. Sts until yesterday when I dropped a kilo grin woop woop.

Piscivorous Fri 28-Mar-14 00:34:31

trashy What a lovely post. The bit about loving yourself that is, not the thrush, sore foof and nipples bit grin That is how every woman should feel about her body.
Despite being a lot older than you, I have not managed to reach that conscious appreciation yet. You have made me realise that I don't see, think of or acknowledge my body at all most of the time so I clearly am either an ethereal being or have some work to do on that!

gator Sorry about your friend and of course it's ok to talk about it, we are here to support each other through fat thick and thin

littlemiss There is a phrase has cropped up to me a couple of times recently and seems apt for you at the moment which is "God makes the back to the burden". Hard though this all is with His support you are growing stronger coming through it. Hope you are feeling better soon.

I was teaching a course today and one of the trainees was a young woman who was telling me she had had a gastric bypass and had lost the same amount of weight in 3 months that I have lost in 18! Had a very pleasant conversation with her though

HeirToTheIronThrone Fri 28-Mar-14 09:07:13

Oh, thanks and brew for everyone having a crappy time - Gator, LMD and too Trashy too for your lovely post and sore nipples

I'm still on board! Lost another lb I think. Went for dinner with friends last night and turned down chips and pudding, it was easy somehow! Had steak and grilled chicken with veg and chimichurri dressing which I had never heard of before, but was delicious. Here's how to make it Although despite much teeth brushing I still REEK of garlic. Ho hum.

FelixFelix Fri 28-Mar-14 10:48:27

Trash what a lovely post! I always feel so happy for people who are totally comfortable with who they are. Hopefully I'll be there someday grin

Piscivorous how much have you lost? 3 months is a short time!! I wonder if the surgery was a last resort for her. Some people seem to think its an easy way out but I imagine it's not easy at all sad

FelixFelix Fri 28-Mar-14 10:49:57

Heir well done on resisting chips and pudding! I looooove chimichurri sauce (usually on a pizza hmm)

LittleMissDisorganized Fri 28-Mar-14 11:14:44

Morning.... Oh what a night... in lots of pain, DH got up twice to get me settled, dosed up, and even some chocolate blush, there is blood oozing through the dressing but I have been in touch with the hospital and they are not too concerned, and they never take bandages off confused. Still getting temperatures and viral headache and awful sore throat.

trashcan what an awesome, confident post. You are, as Eva I think has said, on fire, and a real demonstration of how every woman should be able to feel about her body, whatever size.
And you have an OH who cooks - although, tbh, my DH is awesome at all the rest of the household tasks that at times, this being one of them, he ends up doing all of, washing, cleaning, etc, with no complaints. We are only 5 months married though so I'm allowed to make soppy statements like that grin
And I love cooking, I don't need any competition in my kitchen!

whoosh my DH has done exactly the same with mixing LCHF with the opposite and has put on about 10lb - I am still heavier than him but by much less than I anticipated for bootcamp given that he has moved closer to me in weight.
The recipe is from a book... so when I can limp to the bookcase I will type it out - should have asked DH for it, I will grab it later somehow or other.

Pisci thank you, it's true that the strength I use isn't mine, it is given to me. Thank you so much for encouraging me.

Now as for food, I am going to try and get back on track today. I looked down at myself as I was having a strip wash this morning, and thought about the last time I had to do all of this, it was an even less pretty sight. And whilst the sweet stuff calms temporarily, it will backfire and turn into something that drives me into feeling worse. DH is up for trying to feed me my way - so I had his version of egg-in-a-cup for breakfast, there's some cooked chicken that I'll have with salad and dressing and mayo for lunch, and he's going to do sausages and cauli-mash for tea tonight, so that's all good, but I am going to be on BC lite and allow a small amount of dark chocolate, and a few nuts, as needed to get myself through the day, and the pain.

Sorry that's taken me ages in my woozy sore state. Apologies to anyone I've missed....

Piscivorous Fri 28-Mar-14 11:49:24

LittleMiss Just dashing so no time to post properly but brew and thanks to you. Bootcamp Lite sounds good at the moment as your body probably needs a bit more easily accessible energy to heal.

Felix I've lost about 3 and a 1/2 stone but keep bouncing around here rather than going downwards. I have about another 5 to go I think but I don't think that far ahead. I'm working on the "How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time" approach so set small targets rather than daunting myself. I suspect it was a last resort for this young woman as she was very large but, all credit to her, she was positive, working with a dietician and aware it was not a magic cure so she had to do stuff for herself too.

WhooshFuckerFairy Fri 28-Mar-14 12:00:49

lmd ;leave the book there - don't worry about it honestly - forget it ! They are on the case with Nigel slaters truffles grin

trashy [love emoticon]. you made me think...... there have been several times when my body could have been stopped in its tracks..... postpartum haemorrage with DD3, ventricular arrythmias when trying to run, bicycle crash head injury ( which made me proper nutty for a while)... and now waiting for this uterine biopsy....all sorts - BUT I keep on going , my body is also amazing....from today I am cherishing my flat chest, my lovely waist, my wrinkley wrinkly - caused by laughing and loving face - and even my huge Jarse. ( might have a post bootcamp return to that name to keep me honest).

I am in a happy place. and I got shouted at ( in a good motivational way) by a gorgeous gym instructor that looks the same age as my daughter and in a Jack Wills hoodie ! I feel.... oddly content today. trashy what have you done !!

love to all

Piscivorous Fri 28-Mar-14 13:41:33

Whoosh I used to be IvorHughJarrs at one point but got quite a lot of stick as there had been a rather troll-ish poster with a similar name

FelixFelix Fri 28-Mar-14 13:42:47

Piscivorous well done, that's incredible!

HumphreyCobbler Fri 28-Mar-14 14:20:35

Hello everyone. I have just popped in to congratulate you all on nearly completing bootcamp!

I am sorry I have dropped off this amazingly supportive thread, you are all lovely. Sadly DH has developed a problem with digesting fatty food shock and, with a baby six months and two other children I couldn't face cooking yet another lots of meals. So I have slightly modified my approach and have gone for 5.2 but sticking to lower carb the rest of the time (mainly no fruit/bread/refined sugar/potatoes).

I fully intend to low carb again at some point as no other WOE offered me such fantastic health benefits.

Hope you are feeling better soon LittleMiss flowers

FelixFelix Fri 28-Mar-14 16:11:55

Aghhh just fell face first in to a box of chocolates. DP sent me flowers today and they came with them, and I just scoffed all 10 of them. 10!!! They weren't even that nice hmm first slip up I've had since I started a couple of weeks ago. It was just out of boredom too!

WhooshFuckerFairy Fri 28-Mar-14 17:48:33

Thanks for the tip piscy .... Will stay as Whooshfucker ! And trashy ... My Mary has been aching all day at the though of double breech birth .... Yowser !

( and had to google wizards sleeve !!) gringrin

whooshy fret not! I tell you, it was easy... I can admit that openly here grin I literally shat my pants all through the pregnancy. I had such a sore minge post ds 1. I was in terror. The thing is though, when I had him I was so bodily unaware/mortified that I never even looked at my poor foof for years. I had a tear in the perinneum that healed as it was. I was embarrassed about that for years, and even saw gynae to ask for a repair. she was lovely and really reassured me that because my pelvic floor was in good nick, the tear wasn't visible unless you went scratting about looking for it, and outwardly it all looked perfect, and that it was pointless to do a repair unless I was finished having kids, and even then didn't think it was necessary.

I have since come to re-love the old fanj, and it was like a pre ordered episiotomy when it came to having the twins grin - I swear to you, it was an easy birth - plus they were smaller than ds 1 (6lbs 4 and 6lbs 5). I couldn't believe it. The next day it felt as though I'd had a rough shag, and that was that! My boobs weren't sore when my milk came in and that was all blumming great. In hindsight, it was just as well though, because the rest of my life was in utter humdinging chaos. I was truly lucky that the twins were a breeze. I actually feel a bit of a fraud about the whole thing.... Mind you, the next couple of years made up for it grin grin

Having just re-read that post, may I apologise for my blatant lack of decorum, and general vulgarity.... hmm

thenightsky Fri 28-Mar-14 21:09:01

OK. So if one gets given chocs, what with it being mother's day and all that, is it better to eat them all in one go or to spread them over a period of time, say 2 a day?

WhooshFuckerFairy Fri 28-Mar-14 21:34:29

Let the kids eat them !!

EvaTheOptimist Fri 28-Mar-14 21:38:28

Thinking of you littlemiss and Gatorade. Hope you're feeling a bit better Trash. I was thinking just the same today about feeling grateful for what my body can do for me, and all the changes my life has wrought on my body just being a sign of what my body can achieve. Enjoying your posts about childbirth!

I've been all on the low-carb straight-and-narrow since Weds but almost certainly not drinking enough water. and too much tea. Its all a bit too relaxed around here now its not officially bootcamp!

FelixFelix Fri 28-Mar-14 21:57:54

Sky I had to eat mine as dd is only 14 weeks! All in one go obviously hmm

I'm nearly having a little weep at all the love. This thread is fucking great and so is everyone on it. Can I just say, thanks again to BIWI and willie...

eva grin am on different painkillers for my feet ishoos. I'm off my trolley, so I'm pleased my ramblings are ok and not too grim grin

thenightsky I am of the school of thought that all in one go is the preferred method. My reasoning (entirely made up) is as follows, a) the body is too surprised to do anything and you shit most of them out. b) you put yourself right off for a good wee while confused

thenightsky Fri 28-Mar-14 22:31:45

trash... all in one go suits me fine grin but I do love the science bit re body being suprised and shitting em all out again.

Piscivorous Sat 29-Mar-14 01:26:29

I always trough them down in one go and quote Carbnite as my justification. Might be total bollocks but it's a good excuse and it could be true.

StuntNun Sat 29-Mar-14 06:38:42

I got lovely Hotel Chocolat chocolates for Christmas. They were the Even Less Sugar ones so lower carb than most chocolates and I meant to eke them out a couple a day. Unfortunately they were bliddy gorgeous so a couple a day turned into six a day. So in hindsight I would have been better off eating the whole box in one go.

LittleMissDisorganized Sat 29-Mar-14 08:50:58

Morning everyone - no painkillers ALL night, woohoo!! Was unbelievably sore when I woke but very chuffed with the way that I am naturally withdrawing from them, without it being a torturous process. trash didn't realise I had competition for the high-as-a-kite posting award... grin my 'normal' pain is managed without any loopy feelings thankfully especially with my history.

I have also realised that it'll be at least 2 weeks postop until I can even stand on the scales!!

Felix awwww 14 weeks! And you're losing baby weight already! You're doing really well, and there is reasonably solid science behind the all-at-once theory. You know you can do it so you will be able to again, from today.

Pisci you've done amazingly over a long haul like others such as Eva have - it's so encouraging to hear that. This last week having been off the wagon far more than on it (holiday then surgery/illness) That's been a first for me since bootcamp, and just to keep on keeping on is much more powerful advice from those that have BTDT.
And BClite does sound wiser for the initial physical healing going on, thank you for reminding me of that.

DurhamDurham Sat 29-Mar-14 09:00:46

Piscivorus I hadn't realised that when BIWI said we could eat 'mindfully' that meant we could inhale a dozen donuts!! grin

I an see the logic ( I WANT to see the logic) in carb night, as I suppose it's like it's keeping your body on it's toes, not allowing it to become sluggish or complacent.

Not sure I would eat a donut or twelve but it does make me feel a bit better about having a 'night off' low carbing every so often.

StuntNun Sat 29-Mar-14 09:58:13

I don't think Carbnite is all it's cracked up to be, I suspect you have to be more careful than just inhaling doughnuts once a week. If you look up carb refeeds or carb backloading (which are mainly for people that are doing a lot of exercise afaik) then the usual recommendation seems to be to go low fat for the day and increase your consumption of foods from the middle of the carb ladder. I.e. potatoes, sweet potato, white rice, bananas or other fruits, and not white bread, pasta or sugary foods. It seems wise as well, I'm sure if I ate a load of bread I would be bloated and sicky the next day. When I carb refeed I like to have a meal with a small portion of white rice or a baked potato.

DurhamDurham Sat 29-Mar-14 10:32:59

Awwww shucks Stuntnun! You have ruined it for me.
You are right of course, if I was having a carb night I would not eat donuts I would be more lenient with my veg and fruit choices. I doubt I would have potato, rice, bread or pasta as I don't miss them at all. I would treat myself to some carby veg or something sweet (a huge slice of coffee cake for example grin)

littlemiss It felt like I was on ecstasy last night... it was very odd. Hopefully I'll adjust, because there is no way I can drive on these ones. Nefapam? has anyone else had them before. It's a pay off isn't it... pain free, but off your bleeding rocker. My dp siad my eyes looked really weird, and my friend thought I looked like an escaped disney character grin

StuntNun Sat 29-Mar-14 14:36:23

I would like some recipe ideas please. I haven't been able to eat eggs since last summer since my DS3 has egg intolerance BUT I have just stopped breastfeeding him and now I can eat eggs again and drink alcohol and have as much caffeine as I like! So any suggestions for 'eggy' recipes would be good as I haven't been able to eat eggs for the whole time I've been low carbing. Crustless quiche? Some kind of delicious muffin? Savoy cabbage carbonara? What do you all recommend?

PseudoBadger Sat 29-Mar-14 16:03:49

It's all gone a bit tits up this week. I need bootcamp sad

Thumbwitch Sat 29-Mar-14 16:33:19

I've just read that Carbnite™ thingy and am shock that anyone could inhale 2 dozen doughnuts in one sitting!

StuntNun - a nice omelette? I fry courgettes and mushrooms in butter, with garlic salt (may not be available in the UK) and then add beaten eggs and top off with grated cheese - YUM!

LMD - ouchy ouchy hope it's starting to hurt less and heal a bit sad

Trashy - they gave you the goooood drugs, did they? wink

Pseudo - oh no! Mind you, I know the feeling, I've now eaten 3 whole bars of G&B milk and almond in one sitting - I mean, I've eaten a whole bar in one sitting 3 times, not 3 bars at once! But maybe there is something in the Carbnite™ solution because I actually lost a lb this morning! shock
I'm still managing to be pretty good on the general carbs, but chocolate is beating me at the moment sad
Need to get back on that wagon!

LittleMissDisorganized Sat 29-Mar-14 17:33:29

Can you convince yourself it's still bootcamp, Pseudo - you did so amazingly well, had you "decided" to stop or did it creep one thing after another after another?

Thumb and others that have asked, it is getting slightly better - but I am stunned and shocked, that this is "minor" surgery, that I came home Thursday night, that I am this immobile again, that I have misunderstood again.... have I really?. I am amazed by how much worse the virus has made the pain/recovery and the pain has made the virus. At times, I couldn't care less about food, because I just want something nice to feel, but I know that LC food is nice, that I will be satisfied, and that the outcome of not sticking to it will be that I will regain in a very short time all that I lost during BC - which is of course a good part of why I ended up where I was to start with. I feel terrible all over, everywhere, still, but the actual post op pain has fallen.

Crabby a lot of people near here have this bug too, sorry, missed you out before - I hope you are soon completely over it with no lingering effects.

trash nefapam shouldn't make you high as a kite (though it sounds like it was quite enjoyable!), I had a read through before and it's not on the regular side effects. Might be worth popping back if it doesn't settle down.

I've almost got through another day, just keeping on and whinging on sorry if I am wittering too much, it does help, especially as DH was out working much of the day and between church and visiting his mum tomorrow (and also Mother's Day not being a day I find very easy) it'll be the same pattern again.

HeirToTheIronThrone Sat 29-Mar-14 18:49:59

Stunt how about salmon with lots of lovely hollandaise? And give the pancakes a go as well.

We had a lovely low carb picnic today in the sun by the sea. I will treat the piece of coffee cake I had with tea later as my small Carb Night ;) We did walk several miles so it's probably fine...

PseudoBadger Sat 29-Mar-14 19:46:34

LittleMiss I was trying to have some 'time off' so that I appreciated the next bootcamp just as much. I barely cheated for 10 weeks so needed a small break. I haven't gone crazy on carbs but have dabbled and my stomach is most upset with me! God knows what the scales will say.

EvaTheOptimist Sat 29-Mar-14 21:08:49

StuntNun Even just scrambled eggs for breakfast is nice (or the luxury version, scrambled eggs with smoked salmon). As actual recipes go, spinach and feta bake is good: mix chopped onion with defrosted frozen spinach, feta cut into cubes, couple of beaten eggs, grated cheese, splash of olive oil. (You can also add a bit of greek yogurt). Mix it all together in a baking dish, cook in the oven for about 40 minutes. I know that's a bit of a vague recipe, I've done it a few times with differing proportions due to amount of ingredients available, and its been different outcome each time but always edible! The original recipe I followed is here: greek.food.com/recipe/low-carb-crustless-greek-spinach-pie-118977

EvaTheOptimist Sat 29-Mar-14 21:27:09

Lots of thanks thanks to you for tomorrow LittleMiss I am so very sorry that is such a hard day for you.

So far... after carby treats on Monday and Tuesday followed by low-carb normality Weds, Thurs, Fri... this morning I stepped on the scales and I have stayed the same! Which is my whole aim now. Marvellous. My digestion hasn't been too bad Pseudo - but I did feel very full Tuesday evening (Tuesday's treat was a lunch in a swanky restaurant - involving bread, lentils and chocolate) and for a couple of days it was back to the "carby mega-poos" - see Trash I can overshare too.

Notsoskinnyminny Sun 30-Mar-14 10:29:45

Pseudo I need to get back on as well, after Thursday's bread buffet I had a work's do on Friday and had the hangover from hell yesterday after 2 small wines and 1 bottle of corona, preBC I'd have drank that in the day at the weekend and had more at night without any effect so yesterday was a carbfest to try and make me feel better rounded off with sticky toffee pudding and custard which I thoroughly enjoyed

Full of good intentions today but I'm psyching myself up to phone DM, she hasn't phoned or answered her phone for weeks so I've obviously done some thing again and I'll be told what a disappointment I am again. My parents live 2000 miles away and we're lucky if we get a 1 hour visit every other year even though they come home at least once a year to shop and see relatives/people they fell out with, which often meant we had to move house. I don't miss them but I'm jealous of friends who've got a fantastic relationship with their mums. Bastard commercial profit-making days should be illegal sad

StuntNun Sun 30-Mar-14 10:54:44

I had three (dark) chocolates this morning in bed courtesy of Mothers' Day so I am only having 20 almonds and a bulletproof coffee for breakfast to compensate. I have definitely gone down another notch on my belt but the Whoosh Fairy is stubbornly avoiding the Stunt household. hmm I have drastically upped the amount of exercise lately (and boy do I feel it after yesterday's level 2 shred) which will probably confuse the whole weight loss issue with muscle mass gain and water retention.

sybilfaulty Sun 30-Mar-14 11:08:40

Just popping on yo send love to you, miss. I can't imagine how difficult today must be for you. Be kind to yourself. Take it easy.

I was brought flowers and celebrations for Mother's Day. Have the last 18m passed my family by, or are they just buying so that I will share?

Have a good day everyone.

GatoradeMeBitch Sun 30-Mar-14 13:20:56

Hi, I haven't got time to catch up on the thread till later, but just popping my head in to say hi. My crap eating continues for another day, because I hate to throw excess food away even if it is crap... But DS has permission to bin anything leftover at the end of the day. I am ubercamping from tomorrow!

LittleMissDisorganized Sun 30-Mar-14 14:08:25

Just a quickie... I think I'm winning on the pain front, and the catching up on sleep front.
Still pretty stunned that my world's completely changed in 5 days!!! So DH is off to see his mum, and she's a bit under the weather too, so the National Trust trip we've planned has taken a big raincheck and that seems to be ok all round.
The pain and the way life has been has distracted me from any melancholy about today. I think I'm getting my head round some things, and DH made my favourite low carb treat, known as cajun birdseed chicken! for lunch, and it was delicious (the less said about his attempt at "spaghetti" bolognese the better).
Happy Mothers' Day to all, snuggle with those that will still let you, and have joy in their lovely achievements.

Seri77 Sun 30-Mar-14 15:17:19

Well I had been strutting about this morning feeling quite sleek and excited that I'm only 0.2lbs away from being under 11 stone. Even bought a size 12 jacket yesterday. And then I saw my reflection in a shop window. A dumpy little woman. I really feel crushed. But maybe it's for the best, will keep me away from any tempting carbs for a good long while.

Trashy I reread your post to try and knock some sense into me, as moping on the sofa muttering really isn't helping.

Littlemiss, be gentle with yourself. Any surgery must be big shock to the system, having a virus on top and everything else will take more out of you.

Humphrey that plan sounds very sensible. One of my colleagues had fab results with 5:2 last year.

<floats onto thread to attempt some kind of lucid conversation>

grin Eeeeeeveeeeeniiiiiiing. Sigh.

<blinks Bambi eyes slowly>

LMD I am in utter admiration for your stalwart approach to no pain meds. I think the high as a kite thing is down to the codeine I am taking along with the nefapam. It's been absolutely fantastic to be relatively pain free in my feet. I think the chronic nature of it had become too much to swallow down. I am gonna have me a little 'pain holiday' for a bit, until it starts to fuck with my guts, and then I'll see what happens....

eva 'mega poos' is exceedingly tame, however the sentiment is greatly appreciated grin

seri I think there's definitely something up with shop windows. I'm utterly serious because I have looked at very slender tall people and even they looked short and dumpy

I must obviously be a weirdo because I haven't considered stepping off the bootcamp wagon. I am in this till I win this. Although, I do have the occasional apple, and I drink ff milk in tea (but limit that to 2/3 cups daily)

I did have one day where I only managed to drink 2 litres of water, and it showed up on the daily weigh as just over a kilo. I made the effort with water the next day and bingo, it went back down again. I also went out last night, which is quite a rarity for me, not for any reason but I can't usually be arsed, but dp and I went to see a band, and then a party shock and I quaffed vodka which I haven't fancied in yonks! Drank it with diet coke - it was like bloody nectar. We had a really lovely night, and I've guzzled water all day long, and they scales were down again this morning too!

Haven't got the dcs today as they are with their daddy, and my mother is an extraordinary cunt, and we are nc, but dps mum came round and his brother and sil and the menfolk cooked a lovely lunch (low carb!) and we all lay about on the new front room sofa thingy's.

We're at dps now and are gonna watch the next episode of Vikings.

Fuck me I'm wittering, oh well lovely love to all of us xxxxxx

<floats away>

StuntNun Sun 30-Mar-14 21:42:08

Trash alcohol can trigger a whoosh because it's a diuretic and it helps to promote the release of water stored in fat cells. It will only work if you're due a whoosh anyway but it has been known to break a stall.

EvaTheOptimist Sun 30-Mar-14 23:02:01

Well there's some dangerous knowledge Stunt! Sounds like a great day/weekend Trash and there's nothing weird about carrying on on the bootcamp wagon. In fact apologies for unsupportively talking about carbs. I stayed on the bootcamp wagon for 10 months, this is the first time the end of a bootcamp has changed my behaviour.

Thank you for your lovely generous words LittleMiss.

My weekend's achievement was to thoroughly spring-clean and tidy both the kids' bedrooms. They've gone from pits to LOVELY. Shame I didn't get round to my own bedroom, which is still a pit.

Thumbwitch Mon 31-Mar-14 05:42:50

OOo Stuntnun - that could explain why I dropped a couple of lb despite going out for dinner on Saturday night! We decided (not very mindfully, I have to say) to have a bottle of wine between us, and of course I had to have more than DH because he was driving. The meal itself was quite low carb - confit duck with veg, no spuds - apart from pudding which was dark chocolate brulée, something they do very well grin.
I expected to really suffer for it, but no! Must have been the alcohol - phew! grin

Well done on springcleaning, Eva. I somehow never get round to that.

Trashy - sounds like you had a good day smile

Seri - I swear that shop windows are made specially like that to make us feel bad! My mirrors at home may all be too kind or something, but I never look as bad in any of them (and I have quite a few!) as I do in a shop window or mirrors alongside escalators.

LMD - glad you're winning the pain battle. Hope it keeps getting better.

I am 3 nights away from a plane trip back to the UK with a 6yo and an 18mo, on my own. I shall be forgetting about LCing completely during that 24h, and just doing whatever is necessary to survive. <quivers>

FelixFelix Mon 31-Mar-14 08:19:24

I've totally fell off the wagon this weekend! Back on today though 100%. Just quickly logged in but will have a proper read later as haven't caught up since Thursday. Hope everyone has a good day smile

PseudoBadger Mon 31-Mar-14 08:34:25

Here's to a new week!

Thumbwitch Mon 31-Mar-14 10:27:23

wine to that, Pseudo! Virtual, of course. wink

LittleMissDisorganized Mon 31-Mar-14 12:20:10

Still plodding on here, but can see how it was so easy to have gained so much after my last two major ops. The day is limited, there is so much I want to do but can't, and not doing, if anything, compounds fatigue and makes me realise I'm doing to spend weeks re-building my stamina, stretching out my day length, and food brightens the day. Except I've not got much appetite, it would all be comfort eating.
I am whingy and sore and frustrated. But I'm sticking to it, and when I finally stand up again, I really hope it's going to have paid off.

trash I'm not without painkillers - just for my long term chronic pain I have slow release versions which don't make you loopy and mean you can drive and are less addictive. Since Thursday obviously I've been on decreasing doses of the strong immediate release stuff - I tend to get a bit anxious as well as woozy - they are needed in the short term but glad to be off them as soon as possible. I can only empathise with foot pain, it really is awful.