Week 6 - Low Carb Bootcamp - We're Past the Halfway Point!(509 Posts)
1.5llb down. Over the moon. Up north this weekend. Mother will surely be gobsmacked.
<waves BIWI off like scene of Railway children>
Good morning team . Woke up early for a wee - so have managed to read the whole of the weekends ramblings .... Have had every minute occupied with DD x3 - work will be a rest !
Am a Tuesday weigher - but good luck all . Back at lunch time ....
I've weighed now. Another pound gone. Huzzah.
My aim for the week is to eat LC meals not just LC ingredients and to keep on keeping on.
Good luck all.
AAaaargh, the weight tracker shows a picture of a biscuit!
1.8 off this week so i'm now 12 stone exactly Well done everyone!
One pound off thank you ubercamp. I think my appetite has decreased so I may be eating too much out of habit.
Haha, wtf with the picture of the biscuit where the weight tracker should be?! MNHQ's idea of a joke, perchance?
Anyway, after my mini tantrum yesterday I am 152lbs or 10st 12. So, going down, just. My stomach is well flat, though!
WEIGHT TRACKER IS HERE
Stayed the same. But I"m not doing it properly because I am away from home. Just building the habit, really.
Stayed the same but ok with that as I am aware that my cheating on Valentines Day ( and I'd like other minor indiscretions to be taken into consideration) will have had an impact.
I have 5 lbs more that I would like to loose between now and the end of bootcamp, I will do it I will!
I am down 2lbs this week, 14.4lbs in total so just over a stone. Feeling very happy and looking forward to summer. I 'only' have to lose another 30lbs to lose until the middle-end of June.
Well done to everybody.
The whoosh fairy visited just in time for weigh in. Total loss 15lb.
Very pleased with myself.
Only one word for me this week. Oink. Sorry everyone.
5 weeks left. I shall make them count. In a good way
Well done losers and manly back pats yo all who have STS or gone in the wrong direction.
Oh my goodness! Sorry about the biscuit ...
Wow 16.2lb down in total. This is momentous - it's the first time I've been under 11 stone since before I had children. A really good loss of 3.4lb this week which is fairly surprising given that I had battered fish and chips on the beach in Whitstable at the weekend and some wine on Valentines day. I've also discovered fat bombs this week which are delicious and I've probably been eating too much of (have been making them with butter, cream cheese, coconut oil, pure cacao and a tiny bit of sweetener). I do wonder whether I should up my carbs a bit given that I'm breastfeeding, haven't really been counting but I think I'm generally at bootcamp levels with the odd transgression.
STS - oh bugger - was 2lbs down on Friday and I so wanted to be a loser today!!! Well I'm not giving up - so there!!! I am definitely going to be a loser next week
Well done zgaze that is fantastic.
I've not done very well this week, had some unavoidable carbs
and some avoidable ones and have put on 3lbs. I have one occasion this week on Thursday which will involve unavoidable carbs again but apart from that I will be back on track from today.
B: Coffee with cream
Rest of today's meals not decided but I have large mushrooms, a courgette and a aubergine in the fridge and lots of eggs so sure I'll be able to think of something.
Still the effin friggin bastard same.
Ubercamp started this morning, can't say my green tea is anything near as satisfying as my strong creamy coffee
Well done to all you losers!
I'm .06 up... Not to worry, it was expected.
Will keep at it.
TRASHCAN shall try your water routine see if that helps.
Happy LCing everybody
Morning all 1lb down slow but steady. Message to self leave the cheese in the fridge.
Gentle reminder to everyone who struggles remember to include all food and drink that goes into our mouths so many forget the little snacks at the fridge door ie chunks of cheese etc.
hope everyone has a great week
Didn't WI this morning, so used my weight from yesterday as couldn't face another disappointment. So that's 2.5 on this week.
Seriously debating ditching the scales fro good - have done this in the past with some success, but it was also behind the gain of a stone since the summer when I resolutely buried my head in the sand and refused to get on the scales.
Hardcore BC this week:
B: Scrambled eggs, butter
L: broccoli and stilton soup
D: salmon, celeriac chips, courgetti in butter
Plus at least three litres of water.
Fell so badly off the wagon this weekend I may have concussion. Decided not to weigh for a few days. I just could not resist the temptation in front of me. I don't want to lose a lot but a don't want to get on an upward staircase. My size 12 jeans are loose in the waist but well filled in the hips. The size 14s have been removed. I don't want to go there again. Bmi is in the normal range but only just. I am really doing this now for health reasons. I have a health issue and it will help to get my weight down . I'm enjoying life at the minute. I think I just need a vision of biwi's big stick
0.7 of a lb off, which is
jeffing miraculous in spite of me being the carbiest twat of carby twatdom this weekend. It started Friday, had a slight recovery Saturday, then fell off the wagon into a vat of wine, hula hoops and party rings at DD's 9th birthday party. I suspect as soon as I drink any water I will gain a stone...
0.2lb off this week but pleased it's downwards. Hope whoosh fairy is due to visit me soon as muffin top melting away.
Waist and largest measurement round thighs are the same for last 2 weeks but muffin top disappearing fast. Trousers that were tight before Christmas are now hanging down my hips. Yay for droopy crotch trousers!
Oh and I haven't drunk nearly enough water this week which will have contributed to the tiny loss, won't it? Anyway, will aim for 4 litres today as I'm at home. 3.5 to go....
started the day with a BPC and some smoked salmon. Also have come down with vile lurgy the children kindly shared with me. I think the baby also has it as I was up all night feeding him. ho hum
0.4lbs off, which I am very happy with as it is TOTM for me
I am only 5 lbs off target, so going slow is fine. I am feeling great as pre-babies clothes fit quite nicely already! Happy to just enjoy this way of eating now as I love all the food and do not miss the sugar/bread at all.
BIWI I did your Spanish chicken (with addition of chilli flakes) and chocolate pots (with addition of whipped cream with drop of vanilla essence on top) on Valentine's day. All I can say is WOW! Loved all of it! The chocolate pots were just perfect, I can't believe how nice they were with such simple ingredients and no sugar at all! Thank you for the recipes!
My pleasure! Glad you enjoyed them
It was my first weigh-in today. I have lost 4.75lbs! I'm pleased with that, as whilst i tried to be good, i did have a few treats, like a glass or two of fizz and a low carb chocolate mousse on friday.
I am also vegetarian so i thought i might struggle to keep it low carb enough, and i have been eating lots of dairy. But so far so good! I hope it never gets to the point where i have to cut back on cheese!
Sorry to be a total dooley but where is the recipe thread? My parents are coming round for dinner tonight and I want to do the famed berry crumble!
Morning all and well done losers!
I've STS again. Once again I know I was 2lb lighter earlier in the week, though. I think it's the wine and chocolate and probably too much cream too this weekend. It's DH's birthday today, but I think I'll have a look into ubercamping tomorrow.
1lb down. Happy with that given I've had cava over the weekend and a tiny chocolate brownie made by DS last night.
Don't worry, found crabby's blog - yay!
3lbs down. Which is good as I was feeling a bit disheartened, but yay for the whoosh fairy,
even though I know it's just water retention from PM bloat
Just quickly as am whizzing out (ha, hobbling out) but with my weigh in day of Sunday, I have justifiably put a couple of lbs back on, given my off track meals whilst away. But after a trip or two to the toilet yesterday (TMI) I decided to reweigh this morning and the whoosh fairy has taken 4lb off yesterdays weight (and means I am 14 something which is a bit of a milestone). Am being good and putting yesterdays total as it would be embarrassing to not maintain the new weight this week.
I am going out for lunch, I got to choose the place so we are going somewhere that does awesome omelettes and americano with cream. My kind of lunch out!
only 0.5lbs off but its still off. I did go out on Sat to a Brazilian restaurant which was very carb friendly until I realised the salad was covered in a sweetish dressing, which was annoying.
I needed wine just to self medicate during the MIL visit so I felt in the circs 0.5lbs is fair enough. Aiming to up the weight loss now so going to be stricter.
Hope you are all having a good day.
Does anybody remember I posted how very grumpy I was at the very end of wk 4? TOM had finished 3rd Feb, so I was all but certain that it couldn't be period related. Well, guess what happened yesterday...? That's right, I am having a 21 day cycle, nine days of which were spent bleeding like something out of a slasher movie... <mutter mutter no fecking wonder I'm grumpy mutter mutter>
I've actually got a Drs appointment on Wednesday for an unrelated thing so I may ask about it then, as it's doing my head in. Really hoping he doesn't tell me it's my age and there's nowt to be done about it...
Well done everyone on your losses.
tea that's awful about your DS's dad letting him down like that. You must be raging!
Can't bring myself to step on the scales today as expecting a gain after the amount of wine consumed over the weekend. Also the food I made for Saturday and also hoovered up leftovers of yesterday is not bootcamp light. When I fried the rest of the vegetable crisps on Sunday they tasted too sweet (beetroot and carrot) and the salad was lovely but also very sweet (roasted butternut squash, oven dried tomatoes and pomegranate seeds).
God I could murder a bowl of pasta with pesto right now.
Lovecat have you heard about tranexamic acid tablets (not as bad as they sound)? I take them during tom and they have transformed my life - ask your doc. good luck.
I haven't, Suzymoo, but thanks for the tip, I will definitely ask about them.
Lovecat I am 53 so periods are very hit and miss but I have had very unexpected ones usually a month or two after start low carbing. So I've gone for months, think Woohoo this is it! Never again!, start a bootcamp then 4-5 weeks in its like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. I put it down to oestrogen coming out of fat cells or something technical...
I thought I had STS this week which is a bit of a bummer but one of those things then I looked at the spreadsheet and realised that, on my weighing day last week I was up from the day before and what I'd hoped for. That means I am down 3 this week and a total of 12 this bootcamp. Yippee! By coincidence it is exactly 3 1/2stone down from my first start weight and is the lowest I have been for years (still at least 5 stone to go but a good start!)
Elbom mousse recipe is:
Pack of sf jelly - I use Hartley's, it's a double pack and I use both sachets
1 pint boiling water
Dissolve the jelly in 1 pint of water
Soften the cream cheese in a bowl and then pour on the jelly liquid and stir/whisk till combined
Pour into containers and leave to set
I use poundland baby food square containers and fill them about 1/2 way and I get 14 pots. I've found that you only need a little to make it feel like a treat. It works out at 7.1g carbs for the whole lot so when divided into tiny portions, it's really low. You can also serve with cream - whipped or runny and/or with a few berries.
I got the recipe from a low carb forum years ago and it was a very popular recipe!
Well done to all you losers!
Now... tell me what I am doing wrong, please!
I had a lovely 3lbs whoosh on the Sat before last week's weigh in. By Monday, it was only 1lb. Tried this Sat, stayed the same. Tried today for the tracker - 1lb up!
I have been good! Had all my water, eschewed all carbiness from my life. I even had two days last week when I had to eat out and managed to do so LC.
Happy about all the health benefits, but I really, really would like to lose a bit more before the Easter holidays as I will be in Spain with family and a) want to look good; b) strict LC may be difficult to sustain.
Is it a question of "keep on keeping on"? I'm on week 7, I started one week before most of you.
Anyone combined fasting with LC? I know Briffa mentions it and I wondered if it might be worth a try to get things moving.
I've done 5:2 in the past but always end up bingeing on crap on my off days. I wonder if that will be better now I am (hopefully) fat adapted?
Thoughts anyone? Am tempted to give it a go tomorrow.
Didn't Dr Briffa recommend things like skipping breakfast, if you're not hungry in the morning, and thereby extending your nighttime fast? That sounds very valid to me, but I think you have a form of 5:2 causing binge eating, anything similar would be a bad idea.
i think a lot of people doing 5:2 tend towards low carb anyway because it keeps blood sugar levels on an even keel and means that fast days are easier. so combining the two is not unnatural.
that said, i have a history of eating disorders and won't go near it - just hearing about people feeling high/elated on their fast days triggers urges for me so i have to hide the threads on here. so as steeleyestan says be very careful with it if you have a tendency towards disordered eating.
as i have been low carbing for a long time i do sometimes miss meals or eat at different times if i'm just not hungry - e.g. at weekends i often eat a late breakfast and then don't need anything until the evening. but it is not good for me to intentionally fast iyswim. so maybe as steeleyestan suggests re briffa think about skipping a meal if you don't feel ready for food anyway?
Typed loads and lost the message, so just marking my place now.
1lb off this week - which is fab considering my descent into chocolate last night .
So feeling v tired today as I get back into strict low carb mode again.
Havent weighed today as I have a sickness bug.
Its horrid, havent kept anything down since 6am, excepta packet of caramel snack a jacks <carby twat>.
Can I be let off though, as its all I could managed, and a pack is 25g carbs so I will just make the rest of the day water and meat.
God I feel like shite
nothing to do with the bottle of wine in the pub last night
Well done everybody on your losses x
chester, I've combined LC with fasting in the past, though not a specific 5:2 program, more like, as steeleye says, just extending not-eating-breakfast until lunchtime or later! It means that I quite frequently have a 15-16 hour window (sometimes more) of not eating and as long as I'm fat-burning it's no problem at all. I couldn't do it if I wasn't LCing though, would be hell imo.
Personally, I think the 'eat whatever you want on your non fast days' aspect of 5:2 would spell disaster for me. I prefer an 'eating window' approach because it helps me tune into whether I am genuinely hungry or not. If I am, I eat. If I'm not, I don't!
Thanks crabby re ds's dad - sadly we're used to it .
Haven't updated the spreadsheet yet, am on my phone but after my little gain last week I am delighted! I wooshed at last! 6lbs off!
1lb off for me which. given
the amount of alcohol I drank on Vanetine's Day and Saturday I treated myslelf on Valentine's Day and the next day (lunch out on Friday and then the M&S £20 meal deal on Saturday) , I'm actually pretty happy with
Plus last night we had supper at my dad's which involved a roast potato and some apple charlotte.
.....drank lots of water yesterday (and today).
Oops, same as last week. Which is totally unsurprising to me as I have eaten chocolate 4 nights in a row now . Been good in everything else except STILL not drinking enough water; but avoiding all other carbs as much as possible. Just the chocolate got the better of me
Is also TOTM - started today - so that could be another
Once again - tomorrow is another day, this is the start of another week, the Tassie cherries are nearly all gone and DS2 is doing a sterling job of getting through them as well, so I'll be back to doing proper bootcamp again I think when they're finished. Am determined to drop below 12st, and am currently stuck on it!
I am pleased to note that my "love handles" have definitely reduced though, my waistbands are looser, and my muffining has gone down considerably. Hurrah!
Congratulations to all losers, commiserations to all cheaters - we'll get through!
I'm up a pound, which I didn't ought to be cross with given the amount of chocolate consumed on the 14. But actually I am a bit annoyed because I weighed less yesterday and that was after 500ml of coffee! Hmmpphh.
to everyone starting ubercamp.
chester 5:2 just make me hungry all the flaming time and stopped me exercising as I was knackered all the time with it. I've no idea if it might be better on LC as there's less blood sugar fluctuation. What about doing 16:8, which I think is a clever way of saying skip breakfast and don't eatl ate at night ?
Gutted, STS and I didn't have any wine all weekend as its half term and I've got a couple of lunches planned and DHs birthday and I've come on, very heavy, even though I've been on HRT for 2 months so trying to decide what's worse flooding or night sweats. I've tried tranxemic acid, which does stop the bleeding, but the cramps were horrendous I wish I was a man.
anyway this is what I've has since friday, I'm not hungry and if I wasn't cooking for DH could easily miss dinner, I'm adding butter to everything and went through 1lb of lurpak last week, any suggestions?
B - BPC
L - leftover chicken breast in creamy sauce (about 100g) and buttered cabbage, 100g ff yog
S - BPC
D - 100g sirloin steak, portabello mushroom stuffed with cream cheese, cheddar, more buttered cabbage
S - square 85% chocolate
W - 3l
B - cheese topped bacon & fried egg
L - not hungry
S - BPC, 100g ff yog & extra thick dc
D - lamb shank, roasted broccoli
B - BPC
L - egg in a cup, ff yog
S - buttered ham rolls
D - pork carnitas, celeriac chips, fried mushrooms
S - square of 85% chocolate
W - 3l
B - BPC
L - scrambled eggs with butter and cheese
S - BPC
D - salmon, asparagus and celeriac chips
W - 2l so far.
Another week of sts here too which is probaby due to the fact i got a huge box of Thorntons chocolates for valentines day. They weren't even that bloody nice, I just felt I had to look appreciative of them.
Article about John Yudkin...
notsoskinnyminny your meals look fine, the STS is almost certainly your period. i'm sorry it's so ghastly
interesting crabby, thanks
that phrase used by the sugar industry '...as part of a balanced diet' is so non-specific isn't it? it's the same as 'everything in moderation'. well it really depends on your idea of the balance and what moderation is. MIL comes out with the 'moderation' thing as a thinly veiled criticism of my WOE, but she eat four biscuits with her tea at 6am before she has breakfast an hour later! my idea of sugar in 'moderation' is a handful of times a year. the balance of macronutrients that works for me is a relatively small amount of carbs derived from non-starchy veg, a moderate amount of protein and a good proportion of fat.
Still lurking am keeping to my weight of just under 9 stone which is me pre dc and pre dh weight
Thanks to BIWI and well done all the losers
2lb up here. but considering I was 4lb up in the middle of last week and have since consumed a heroic amount of mojitos, it's not all bad
As a long term LC'er returning to strictness after a couple of months of being slack I know that I'm not likely to get any whooshes and as I've not much to lose I'm not concerned.
Notsoskinnyminny Your meal plans look fine, were you LCing when you got your last period and did it affect your loss then?
B - spinach and ham omelette
L - avocado and tinned sardines in mayo
D - A bloody lovely looking bresaola and feta salad which I MUST stop picking at before I put the DCs to bed...
S - a bit of lidl yog and some leftover roast broccoli (not together)
did you make the bresaola ewan? i've always wanted to do that
Evening. Not read the thread, sorry... just reporting a 2lb loss that I attribute to drinking ALL my water, and not eating ALL the cheese. Will catch up in a bit.
Thanks Willie and Ewan, I am losing inches (9 so far) so aren't planning to jack it all in but would like to see some movement on the scales. Last time I lc'd properly my start weight was lower than this time and I'd lost 10lbs by this stage but not as many inches
My last period was in October and before that August but I wasn't lc'ing then. I started HRT at xmas to stop the night sweats as I hadn't slept for over 6 weeks and DH was threatening to move to the spare room as he was fed up waking up in a soaking wet bed at 2am.
notsoskinnyminny this may be no help at all but my mum is a gp and she recommends LC to her patients at various stages of the menopause, so hopefully it will help in some way for you too as well as the HRT. fingers crossed it all settles down soon
also pain (cramps) and lack of sleep can reduce the amount of weight you lose because they are stressful for the body. that could well account for the lack of lb, but if the inches are going down that's a really positive thing.
Crabby really enjoyed that article, thanks!
Off spinning again in a bit. I blame spinning for my lb upwards; it's muscle and water
B: 2 eggs, butter, cheese
L: sardine salad which had red pepper in due to online cock up, mascarpone and vanilla
D: 2 pork belly slices, leeks and kale in Philly and cream.
S: 2 coffees with cream
Will probably have a BPC after spinning
Haven't properly read the thread, will check in later, hiya everybody, I am fucking ecstatic FOUR POUNDS DOWN it's a bloody miracle
except it's fucking not because I have really had to work at it, what with the no dairy and the reduced veg and the fat eating, oh and did I mention the five bastard litres of bastard water a bastard day phew. off to walk the trash hounds, back soon
Bad night last night due to TOTM cramps. I only got a couple of hours sleep, and then I fell into a packet of chocolate digestives at lunchtime. They weren't even as nice as I thought they would be. But I just kept feeding them in and went through half the packet. And now I want more sugar.
75% of the problem is a bad TOTM this month, and the other 25% is that I'm away and my usual routines and resources aren't there.
I feel miserable. I don't know if I should write this week off and start again next week when I'm home. I'll try not to eat through a skipfull of crap, but at this moment none of my BC favourites seem appealing
Oh, and I did still have a loss this week. I feel rotten because I know some people have struggled with this WOE, and (maybe because of my size) I've lost over 2lbs every week. So I know it does work for me. And I was fine last TOTM. I don't know what has gone wrong at the moment.
Gatorade get back on the wagon now! If you write this week off you will end up eating a huge amount of carbs and will really undo all the good you have done so far. Whereas if you get back on the wagon now, drink lots of water and are super strict for the next day or so, the damage will be minimal
Don't let the carbs win!
Hello again. I couldn't keep up with the thread last week and had DS home as it was half term here. The DC really eat into MN time, don't they?
I forgot to weigh today so that joy can wait until the morning. I didn't fall off the wagon but have come to some realisations:
- even tiny amounts of wine give me a headache when LCing
- supermarkets need to start selling butter in bigger blocks. 250g is just way too small. I'm thinking at least half a kilo per block.
- I really don't think chocolate agrees with me (have thought this for a while but it seems clearer now there's no crap in my diet)
- ate a half slice of homemade malt loaf (I know, I know) and had really bad indigestion/upset tummy. Wondering if it was the wheat?
Could it be that foods that I've always eaten, and thought agreed with me, actually don't but now I'm noticing because I've been "clean" for 5 weeks?
I've had two periods since we started BC. What's all that about?
Looks like - in farmfoods they are selling 1lb blocks of butter for £2...
Oooh BIWI I love it when you are being all strict and discipliney!!
Someone posted about making cauli cheese with Boursin.. Help?! I've never made normal cauli cheese so if anyone has a good recipe?
Yes you're right BIWI! I found a place that sells Total, so yogurt for breakfast and loads of water! Thanks
I made a meatball thing which might be good (could be too carby)
Made with reduced price steak meatballs! I baked them in the oven, then made a tomato/garlic type sauce with wilted spinach and goats cheese stirred in
Snowie I don't know why you've slightly gained... do you want to list out your meals in time-honoured fashion?
I've been away for long weekend so weigh in for me tomorrow.
Big family occasion involved me getting some hostile comments about this WOE, which I wasn't quite expecting but I should have known, should have been on my guard. My immediate response was to just clam up, think I'm just not going to say anything and then this will be over as quickly as possible. Then I spent the next day being cross at myself for not sticking up for myself. On the other hand, least said soonest mended and all my rellys go away smugly thinking they're right?
what do I care you can tell I'm really over this can't you
Especially as 24 hours later I had all the answers that I wished I'd said, pat and ready. Instead of tackling any individual point, I should have just said "This way of eating is not dangerous or unhealthy". Gaahhhhh
I AM over it - reading all your news since last Saturday has helped.
B - scrambled egg and mushrooms
L - salade nicoise (took the potatoes out) and grilled artichokes in oil, both from Waitrose at a service station, plus mayonnaise sachets.
D - leeks, mushrooms and boursin; with salad
S - small amount nuts and cheese
2 pounds off for me! My goal of moving from obese to just merely happily overweight is getting closer and looking achievable.
I am deeeelighted.....
congratulations zgaze that's awesome
<<strokes *elbomberos head>>
feeling for you lovecat and all others with TOTM issues - mine were so heavy, I used to have to take a towel with me whenever I went out to sit on, because it just got embarrasing/annoying when bleeding on friends sofas. I am delighted that at the tender age of 36 I haven't had a period in three years, and won't ever again (hysterectomy due to cc)
eve am so on your behalf. Family are such entitled bastards when they get going. I actually think clamming up is the best thing to do. Your health and vitality will speak for themselves over the years [smug emoticon]
hi five billy
B - Bacon and scrambled eggs
L - three slices of cornbeef and some olives
D - beef and baby spinach
4 litres water 2x herb tea with coconut oil
Hello everyone! Will try harder to keep up with thread this week!
Last year the Feb month of birthdays, celebrations and wet half term at home threw me seriously off track. I am NOT doing that this year!! I have had no cake in fact surprised could not face it, but I have had wine and the odd accidental croissant -- DH purchase as I am 'always saying but high fat is good' and chugging the water and eating masses of green veg.
I have a milestone birthday this weekend and there will be all kind of indulgences, but the menu is lo carb and I am having a giant cheese tower instead of cake!
For the first time in 8 yrs I do not look 4 months pregnant and aside from menstrual flood hell I feel fab. Inches gone not lbs, so keeping on keeping on.
Made the most fab recipe...quick and even DCs loved it
Roast green beans in oil with a couple of cherry toms and olives for 30 mins
Top with grilled halloumi
Serve with leftover belly pork... Delicious!
Before the big stick comes out the beans are a bit carby but broccoli also works... As do a few pine nuts added in right at the end!
Sts this week . It might be my new gym going like willie said . I haven't cheated at all - and have cut down on cream . I am 5'10 and 11st 7 , so I think am a stone off goal
although that goal was dictated by weightwatchers 20 years ago haven't been at 'goal ' since then
biwi any wise words about whether my goal is realistic ?
<waves to cider, a coffee in RL would be fab >
Hope everyone has a good day.
I am back on track properly today. One of your visiting professors left yesterday to head back to Brazil. He has been with us for a year now and we are all going to miss him. We had cake yesterday for him and I had a bit, I enjoyed eating it but I didn't enjoy after. I have discovered, through my cheating ways, that:
Chocolate gives me a sore head
Cake gives me indigestion
Bread gives me indigestion (this one one of my unavoidable carbs)
I am happy to never eat them again now
this is probably similar to saying "I'm never drinking again" so please don't remind me I said this
Last night dinner was giant mushrooms chopped and fried in butter and garlic with cream then ground almonds, linseeds and cheese on top and under the grill.
B: Coffee with cream
L: Roasted veg (aubergine, courgette, tomato and shallots) with feta cheese
S: FF yoghurt
D: Sausages with left over roasted veg from lunch
mrshughjarse i think you're now within the range of 'healthy' weight? so that last stone might take longer to shift than before. that may account for the STS this week as well as the exercise. your 'goal' weight sounds realistic in terms of numbers, but obviously only you know your body type/shape/frame etc.
just make sure you don't get too fixated on the number on the scales though - your body doesn't care about that and it might decide it prefers a few lb heavier, especially if the 10st 7 was from 20 years ago and your physique may well have changed in that time. if you do find that you're having to really restrict your eating in an unsustainable way to reach the 'magic number' then it might be a better idea to look at toning/shaping exercises (and it sounds like you're doing that anyway) and thinking about how your clothes fit instead
Sorry to hear you had a hard time from you order family Eva. There is SO much misinformation out there about low carb eating, and people just take in in unthinkingly. My parents came round for dinner last night so I cooked spicy chicken thighs in white wine and thyme with lots of whole garlic cloves to squash into the 'sauce', with roasted broccoli/peppers/courgettes, followed by the famed berry crumble. I mixed cranberry and blueberry linseeds into the almond topping. My mum loved the crumble, my dad (king of stodgy puddings) was slightly less enamoured and suggested that a good sprinkling of Demerara sugar on top would've sorted it .
They are both overweight, my dad's on statins, my mum has long-term health issues including severe anxiety and depression - they both eat pretty badly with loads of sugar and white carbs. Lots of puddings, very little veg, 'low-fat spread' (Drs orders). When my mum is going through a bad spell she survives on cigarettes, tea and white toast. When she's feeling better you can tell because she takes more interest in food - unfortunately that means buying tins of ambrosia rice pudding and layering the jam on top! I would LOVE to get them eating better, and we've talked about low carb a lot, but they are set in their ways and will never change.
All we can do is show how this WOE benefits us, and let others make their own choices I guess. But it's tough when people you love insist on eating shite, and you can see it reflecting in their bodies and minds...
Looks like my shout of shit didn't post again...
Lost the .6 I had put on so back to 137 again.
Think I've ended up 'maintaining' rather than losing weight now.
Will cut out the prosecco completely until the end of bootcamp and see if can shift a few more pounds.
Have lost over 12 since the start which is great but I've still over a stone to shift so unhappy to keep gaining and losing the same three pounds over and over.
Happy LCing everybody
I had a really busy week work wise last week and haven't kept up with the thread very well. Have skim read some of it on and off and wanted to echo all the good thoughts and wishes to Helium if she's around.
I have lost a pound this week which is fine as I have had a week of carby twatdom. Sushi takeaway on Friday, small slice of cake for a colleague's birthday on Saturday (work was so mental it was the only thing I ate in 13 hours!) and bread and butter pudding made with brioche on Sunday. It's the first time I have really gone of piste in a major way and I enjoyed the food but want to get back on track. Going to run hard today to help get rid of the glycogen!
MrsHughJarse your target sounds sensible and I was aiming to get to my pre-DC weight too. However, as we've gone on I've realised that Willie is right and that I seem to weigh considerably more even as I shrink. I've adjusted my goal to pre-DC size now as that seems more realistic.
i find that with this WOE i look much better at a given weight than i did when i was the same weight but eating carbs. because i don't feel/look bloated, my face isn't puffy (i literally seem to swell up when i eat more than a small amount of carbs), i feel lighter and more energetic, which shows physically too, and my skin looks better
Sayra I do think that your GP should know about your heartburn...
and Eva I'm so sorry you went through that. I'm meeting a friend this afternoon with her little boy who even by text was very negative whilst arranging it. It probably doesn't help that I was already feeling hurt as I heard nothing from her all through my convalescence. I'm now thinking WHY did I mention it - it was just to be honest about not meeting for lunch tbh, rather than making excuses. I got a series of fairly aggressive texts and I just stopped answering in the end, texts, is a ridiculous way of talking about anything. I haven't slept very well, with it on my mind, and I'm dreading it...
Sigh. tea your post was really helpful too. You could be describing close relatives of mine.
What was mentioned a couple of weeks back (I think it was trashcan "under fire" then...) about how when we (I) take control of our food issues it threatens others, because of their own.
Anyway, need to get moving. Will check back in later on.
1lb on this week, which is unsurprising, especially as yesterday I had that bowl of pasta pesto I was craving, and then had beef stroganoff with rice in the evening. And chocolate.
It's all gone a bit wrong.
Don't worry Crabby! Oops my phone thinks we should call you Carby <smacks phone>
Today is a new day, don't give up
I've woken up with a headache. The damage yesterday was about half a packet of chocolate digestives, then I started on a tub of caramel icecream. The thing was - and I'm genuinely not trying to convince myself - neither was satisfying. The biscuits tasted greasy, and the icecream was sickly.
I'm going to make another berry crumble today, to mop up the last of my sweet cravings, but I am happily back on the wagon
MrsHughJarse, I always retain water massively at the beginning of exercising.
I have come down with the terribly vile virus the dc have been suffering from. How kind of them to share.
Still, have stayed on the straight and narrow, measured my thighs again and have now lost three inches. Hurrah. My stomach has stayed the same but it is more squishy, I can fold it into my jeans really easily (tmi). Does this mean I have lost some visceral fat do you think?
forgot to say I listened to my self hypnosis cd by Paul McKenna. I find it really helpful to stop the emotional eating/self loathing combo that is so damaging to eating well. I also like the visualisation exercises, they are great.
Thanks Trashcan and LittleMiss and Tea. Sorry to hear about your parents. I think I felt similar in that almost everyone sitting round the table was overweight - so of course I feel that if they ate like this it would really help. But I have to realise that that is nothing to do with me, I can't influence it. (Would be nice if they all realised similarly... instead of everyone there having an opinion on what I eat!). What I do now realise is that my mum IS worried and this IS something we can and should talk about. Surely I can allay her worries if we talk sensibly. (Ha!)
LittleMiss really good luck with your friend this afternoon. Its stressful being on the defensive.
MrsHugh at 5 ft 10 and 11 stone 7 you are already in normal BMI range - well done! BMI of 23 according to NHS online BMI calculator. That says a healthy weight range for your height is 9 stone 3 to 12 stone 7. I'd say your "target weight" is now rather down to you - whether you have a large or small frame; if you feel comfortable, how do your clothes fit; how Hugh you'd like your Jarse to be?! I believe this WOE won't allow you to go underweight as such.
Crabby at just 1lb on with all the treats etc, I think you have lucked in, surely! Sounds like you might be triggering your carb cravings though, letting that Wild Elephant out. Time to quote your own advice to you, can you plan your favourite meals so you have something to look forward to? Also, look after yourself, take care.
Hi Eva, sorry about your experience, and thanks for answering my post, I felt I was SMSing in the dark...
Chanced the scales today, don't ask me what prompted me... 2lbs down from yesterday, I give up trying to understand what's going on with my body!
Food intake yesterday is fairly representative of a normal day:
B - coffee with a dash of cream, ramekin-sized bowl of Total, cream and a sprinkle of milled linseed for texture.
L - green salad (lettuce & cucumber) with some feta cubes, ham and olives, dressed with homemade dijon/olive oil/white vinegar dressing.
D - steak and asparagus cooked in butter, with a homemade mushroom sauce made up with
even more butter, dijon mustard and a splash of cream.
3.5lts of water yesterday, umpteen cups of black coffee during the day, 1 flute of low-alcohol fizz.
I'm 5ft 8in and I currently stand at 10st 6lbs. My sensible target for my age is 9st 6lbs, my not very sensible but feel great with it is 9st all. So far this BC I've lost 9lbs in 7 weeks without straying. Am I wrong to feel a bit sorry for myself today?
Sorry about the mega-whinge, but if not with you lot who understand, who with?
SnowyBear, you are already in a healthy bmi range at your current weight. I know it can feel hard not to lose a bit quicker, but my experience is that the closer you are to your target the less likely you are to be seeing more than a pound a week loss.
hang on in there. 9lbs is a good loss.
But that's still 9lbs ...
Are you enjoying your food?
Do you feel deprived?
Do you feel like you're on a diet?
Thanks, Humphrey, I know I am whingeing, but cannot really stop myself today. Healthy BMI on the one hand, feeling flabby on the other... I don't think I'd feel under so much pressure if I weren't nipping off to Spain for Easter. At least I won't have to go to the beach or the pool... that form of torture is awaiting me this summer. Pleeenty of time to get rid off a stone <hopeful emoticon>.
Shall I shut up now? I am an idiot.
I am going to focus on what I want to feel like in four weeks if I stick to bootcamp, as opposed to what I will feel like if I don't. The first way I will feel well, be thinner and feel focused. The second way I will have descended into binge eating sugar. Because that seems to be my only other option..
as far as feeling flabby goes, I am going to start shred again as soon as this illness departs.
I have had to take co-codomol so I know I will be retaining water.
And it's another 8 or so weeks until Easter, so every opportunity to lose a sizeable amount more by your holiday.
snowiebear do you exercise? it may be that you need to look at strength/fitness/toning rather than weight if you feel you are still 'flabby' at a healthy weight? that said, i don't know your frame. at 9lb down over seven weeks that is a sustainable loss given that you can't have been very overweight at all to start with. just keep on keeping on, because it's clearly working even if not at the speed you would ideally like, and because as others have said, what is the alternative?
x-post with humph there
do you know, when I first did shred I dropped a skirt size in six days? It can make a massive difference v quickly. You have time to do the whole 30 days before easter!
I will commit to do it too if you fancy a shred buddy?
Snowie I think your food looks great, as long as you're not hungry (breakfast and lunch could be a bit light but if they satisfy your appetite then that is the thing to go by). If you consider 1lb a week loss to be a normal rate of weight loss, your 9lbs is brilliant. I think you were just caught by an upward fluctuation yesterday.
Humph I've been warily eyeing up the concept of exercise and everyone seems to mention the shred. I realise that changing your way of eating basically doesn't take extra time - after all I prepared and ate meals before bootcamp - but adding exercise to your life does mean you have to schedule in time for it. I'm making my way over those mental hurdles at the moment.
Gosh - thanks all. I love this thread I am starting to think about you all when I am not on MN
willie the voice of calm and reason as ever ! I am going to concentrate on my ' test' best jeans and get into them. I have discovered I have lost TWO INCHES off my waist - which is amazing and TWO off my rather voluptuous bottom !
humphrey I hope you vile cold is bearable - can you mainline daynurse or something, it always gets me though. I am hopeful that my muscles are retaining water and one day, maybe one day the whoosh bugle will sound for me !
lovecat - my cycle has gone very strange too - I bled for 16 days straight....and I have a mirena , so i don't usually have more than a couple of days of not very much...... twas a shock to the system !
trashy well done on the 4 lbs - thats fab.... worth putting up with the blue cheese/avocado debate....maybe its Karma that I have stayed the same - its for my lack of sensitivity ! Cheese free for a week for me if you can post more of your menus trashy, I will copy you !
to whoever posted about the butter not being big enough.... my DC keep slathering my posh grass fed, salt encrusted gorgeousness on their toast....... its mine !< selfishly hides it>
crabby 1lb is pretty good considering what you have hinted at that you may have eaten ! I am sure it will melt away this week !
<waves to all>
Have a good week everyone !
Goodness a whole page has gone on in the time it took me to write that post.... !
<mega x-post >
Eva, shred only takes 20 minutes
if you don't do the cool down
it is definitely exercise for those who hate exercise
also Jillian shouts at your, it is like a big stick on DVD
de-lurking to address Snowie. I too am 5'8 and very similarly weigh 10st4. I've lost only 4lbs since the start however the post DS flabby belly is almost gone plus at least one of the chins and collar bones are getting very prominent.
If I weighed a stone less I think my DH might force feed me some haribo. So maybe its time to not weigh. Instead, choose something you'll wear on holiday and try it on once a week. See it fitting better and better.
Last summer I lost 2 stone with SW. But my double chin (caused by a whopping 4 st gain whilst pregnant) did not budge.
This WOE works but you need to be realistic when nearing your target that the numbers won't move much or quickly.
I am not going to lie to you though, you WILL be in pain after day one
but it works
Sorry to not too a "proper" post - but hey all. Busy day here and a very early start. Birthday behind us, I'm measuring my water again and doing a few very low carb days to hopefully get things shifting again. (Not proper ubercamp, as I've got too much dairy in the house to stick to that anyway).
L: Fried eggs, avocado, BPC.
D: Pork loin steaks with philly and mushrooms with salad.
I went shopping this morning and for some reason bought brussel sprouts. I hate brussel sprouts. I'm getting a bit bored of my usual veg (cauli, broc, mushrooms, spinach, lambs lettuce, swede) so thought I would branch out a bit and it seemed like a good idea at the time. I remember someone posting on here that they've suddenly found they like brussels now as they fry them up in butter. But I'm sure there was something else in with them and I can't remember what it was or find the post. Anyone any advice on them?
Also has anyone made cauli rice with frozen cauli before? Does it work? I don't have a microwave so can't defrost it quickly first.
woolfey can't comment on frozen cauli, sorry
sprouts fried up with bacon, shallots and butter is lovely (or just sprouts fried in butter)
the other day i did the creamy braised cabbage recipe with sprouts instead of cabbage (adjust quantities accordingly - it was much quicker to cook
and on the recipe thread there are:
sautéed sprouts with chorizo
sprouts as part of a veg bake using creme fraiche
ooh, for the creamy braised cabbage i cut the sprouts in half
I love sprouts just served simply - boiled till they're just going soft (I don't like them al dente), with lots of butter and salt/black pepper
someone said on here on an earlier bootcamp that their previously veg-avoiding dcs suddenly started loving veg with butter on it. presumably wouldn't work with everyone, but it does suggest that the simple addition of butter does something magical to veg that previously seemed bitter
I'm afraid that I can report that cauli rice with frozen cauliflower doesn't work! Our Magimix gave it everything it could, but despite the blades being so sharp they regularly cut me when I'm wiping them clean, they made as good as no impact on the frozen cauliflower. We ended up using the bag for curried cauliflower soup from the recipe thread and then going back to buying fresh cauli for rice.
frozen cauli is pre-cooked so no good for rice (sorry I'm too late for toomuch with that little nugget!) BUT you can freeze grated fresh cauli en masse and portion up for whenever you need it.
Tonight DH is working late so I'm having fried bacon and butter-tastic mashed swede for dinner. Chopped up together and eaten with a spoon in my pyjamas. Sexytimes.
I keep planning to restart the 30 day shred its quick to do but I come home, have a 'quick' on look on here and before you know it its time to walk psychopup, start cooking for the rabble and making packed lunches.
Sprouts are disgusting, put them in room 101 with mouldy blue cheese but I always cook them at Christmas. The first year DH had dinner with us I put a spoonful on his plate and told DCs to wait and watch. He hates all veg, never had to eat it growing up, and anything he doesn't like gets eaten first. The sprouts were quickly demolished and the kids fell about laughing telling him the deal is they only have to eat one - how evil am I
Ah it was Woolfey asking about cauli sorry.
Okay, I admit defeat on getting my roast belly pork to go crispy in the oven. Please, someone, what am I doing wrong? I left it unwrapped in the fridge all day to dry, started it in a really hot oven for 20 minutes, then turned the temp down to slow cook. It smells good but there's no way it's going to produce proper crackling.
Woolfey do you have a food processor? If so, put on the attachments for slicing stuff and shred your Brussels sprouts. Then fry in lots of butter, add garlic, chilli, cream if you fancy. Very nice, even my 4 year old will eat them like that.
Thanks Eva. My elephant has thrown the rider off completely this afternoon... as the rider, I am currently sitting on my arse in the dust watching it rampage into the distance to wreak havoc and trampling destruction with its hormental elephant rage.
There's a bottle of white chilling in the freezer right now, despite it being Tuesday. I've made a ragu and eaten LC so far today but am seriously contemplating spaghetti instead of courgetti to go with it. Looked in the mirror after my bath today and this bootcamp all the weight seems to have gone off my bust instead of my arse. This is not good at all... I don't want them any saggier! That's then got a little voice going in my head saying 'well you probably shouldn't lose any more weight then in that case... so pasta would be fine'.
I'm pretty sure this is hormonal - period is stop-starting and I am so full of fucking rage and anxiety (odd mix!) that I'm wound up like a spring. I also really miss DD but am simultaneously glad that she's not here so she doesn't have to witness my unhinged behaviour.
Can someone hit me with the stick please?
Sorry that was a massively self-absorbed shouting of my shit!
ah well i adore mouldy blue cheese
the mouldier and stinkier the better for me when it comes to cheese
i would probably try that one that comes with maggots in given the chance, but i think i would have to remove the maggots first
lookslikerain when it's done you could remove the skin and keep the meat warm, then whack the skin under a hot grill. you have to keep a close eye on it or it will burn
biwi has a way of doing it in the microwave i think though i might have made that up
Yay Trashy on your 4lbs off!
Gator I'm very much feeling your pain with the TOTM crap, as you can see.
Eva and LMiss you need that 'low carb medicalert' card I designed a few weeks ago. Seriously though it is not acceptable for friends and family to do this. LMiss I hope the lunch with your friend went better than you were expecting.
tea my non-low-carbing friend said the same thing about the berry crumble!
Pseudo I think your phone has me just about summed up this week!
crabby you know that carbs beget carbs <biblical>, so it's not surprising that having eaten some you want some more. you know that you have two options
give into the carbs
don't give into the carbs
while the cravings are difficult to resist, you do ultimately have control over what goes in your mouth. you know all the rational reasons why getting back on the wagon is a good thing
stop watching that elephant rampaging - go and get another elephant (is this too much of a stretch of the metaphor? )
There you go...
For all of you who are having trouble with people sticking their uninformed beaks into your eating habits, I just had an idea. Trash you were saying that you can't remember the facts under pressure and I thought 'ooh she needs a leaflet or something' and then I thought of this: home educators can carry a little card around stating that you are a home educator, with the relevant legislation on it to wave at people who accuse your child of truanting. I've designed one for us lot. We can keep it in our wallets and just smilingly hand it over as soon as the person starts spouting the usual shit. And just think... if we're in an accident and go to hospital, they can read the card and know not to feed us IV cake or anything. wink
My name is _ and I am a low carber.
As there are a number of misconceptions about low carbing, some of which you've just shown that you currently subscribe to, let me clear a couple of things up...
1. We do eat carbs, plently of them in fact. We get them from vegetables, nuts and a variety of fruit.
2. Pasta, bread and rice are jolly nice, but they are not in any way essential. They are foodstuffs developed to feed vast numbers of people, cheaply. We don't need them to be healthy.
3. Sugar is not a food group. I know that's hard to believe, but any dietician, doctor or scientist, when pressed firmly, will have to admit it.
If you still want to know more about it (as I'm sure you wouldn't want to argue against this way of eating from a position of utter ignorance!) you could start with these scientists and doctors....
<insert links here>
At least if you don't actually do it, you can imagine handing that to them and their resulting expressions, and it should give you a little inner smile.
Crabby I shall pelt you into submission with pats of butter. Pasta will not increase the size of your bangers
Willie I know you're right. I've gone a bit haywire.
Carbs beget carbs. They do, don't they. I need to think about that
whilst I pour a glass of wine.
good point ewan
pasta goes straight to tummy and thighs <trufact>
I might as well sellotape linguine directly to my middle.
Hello all... I am home.
It went ok actually. It made me realise how rubbish texts are as a way of discussing something. Mostly we talked about her little boy and for today, I avoided having to have anything of a hard discussion, I am prepared to but once I know what I'm wanting to achieve by it and from a place of emotional strength. Cowardly perhaps, I don't know...
Thanks for the encouragement earlier, I really appreciate here.
Willie yes, I'll have to do that. It has kind of crisped round the side but is a little flaccid in the middle. Does not look too appetising.
Crabby I'm seriously considering using your medicalert card this weekend when the inlaws descend for lunch. I'm cooking though and it'll be mainly LC with a loaf of bread for the carby twats. They will bring up our WOE because we do need some carbs (potatoes, pasta, rice, bread) in our diet, you know...
lookslikerain cut off any bits that actually have crackled (if any have) - kitchen scissors work quite well - as they would burn of course
i am a coward and avoid any discussions about this WOE if they are likely to be confrontational (i'm not a very good ambassador, sorry). any criticisms that come my way just get a non-committal 'indeed' or similar. nod, smile, ignore
Was sad today when I tested my BMI and realised I am a stone above the higher weight for my height.
I have lost half a stone so far and imagined I am much thinner than I really am. Although I'm pleased with my loss, have further to go than I thought. Funny how I have got used to being this size.
Anyway, will keep on keeping on, the food is so nice.
Just had omelette cooked in butter with garlic, mushrooms, goats cheese & chopped parsley - with dressed salad. Yum - best
diet WOE I have ever done
Crabby as well as carbs begetting carbs, I suspect wine begets wine... might the one be connected to the other?
Someone upthread mention low alcohol wine - just wanted to point out that it has more sugar than normal wine (as they stop it mid fermentation so it doesn't turn so much sugar into ethanol
When I was in treatment they said that cravings attenuate. It's SO true, that if we don't feed them - true of carbs I think as well as the alcohol and drugs and eating disorders people were there for - they don't get worse, they get better. You still get waves but the peaks aren't as high. So when we cheat we reset the attenuation and have to start from the high, frequent peaks again.
It's true in my experience too... I don't crave or even think about alcohol hardly ever any more. I don't know that I'm considering lifelong abstinence of high-carb foods but I find it helpful to remember this truth.
I need a treat. Tonight I'm having peri peri chicken and cheese coleslaw maybe with sine fake fries.
I've found a bottle of cider. I'm still boot camping. I want it poured over ice. Like now.
that is an excellent post LMD
at flaccid food.
I am feeling dreary, miserable, pathetic, morose, you name it. Don't know what's up with me. Was just going to skim and skulk off, but wanted to say to Crabby that boobs come back, i.e. once the weight has gone and you've stabilised at wherever you're going to be, they sort of fill out again.
<off to sit in the corner and rock>
I am sure you are reading this despite wine in hand
It's for the health benefits .... Not just the mirror benefits .... And it's a known fact that arsefat comes off last . Buy a push up bra in the right size
lots of mad bra experts on Mn that changed my bangers for the better put the top back on the wine and wrestle that elephant ... Get a grip girl - you know you want too ...
Sending love too
Suzymoo I'm exactly the same state re BMI numbers. Makes me sad because it's going to take such a long time. But I've stopped the weight gain and I'm 8lbs or so lighter than I was she we started bootcamp. I used to be really slim and I'm not quite sure how this happened to me
I will keep on keeping on too. I feel healthier, less tired as I'm not lugging that extra weight about and even if I only loose 2lbs a month from now on, I'll be BMI 24.8 before Christmas.
Glad your day out was ok LittleMiss
For those of you worrying about flab, give it time. I went very flobby after my initial quick weight loss but have noticed things have firmed up in the intervening year despite me still having loads to go.
Arsey though this sounds, I just don't tolerate anybody getting at me about this way of eating. Firstly I never bring it up so only go into it if people ask me, I usually just say breezily "I've changed the way I eat, I'm NOT dieting but I am eating healthily where possible". If they push for details I just say I've cut back on sugars and starchy foods like bread, potatoes and pasta, which people can usually understand and it still sounds "healthy" to them. My final weapon in the arsenal is to say "I don't buy synthetic or processed foods" or "If my grandmother wouldn't know what it was, I won't buy it". All of those things sound sensible so tend to cover all eventualities other than people spoiling for a fight
The funniest one I have had was a relative who is diet-obsessed, has been for many years and should own Weight Watchers by now the amount she has paid them! She wasn't at all aggressive, genuinely interested but every answer I gave got a negative response. She just could not understand why skimmed milk, Flora and Mullerlights weren't vital. Eventually I told her that Einstein said it was madness to keep doing the same thing over and over expecting different results!
Seri77 nice to know I'm not alone.
Interesting chapter on BMI in Briffa's book.
I understand all you say - "how did this happen to me?" and when we add up the slow weight loss over a year it adds up to quite enough doesn't it?
For crispy belly pork, you can always put it under the grill - although you have to watch it like a hawk as it can burn very quickly.
Or - take the skin off, put it on a large plate and cover generously with kitchen towel - then microwave on high for 30 seconds at a time. It will crisp up that way (it carries on crisping after you've finished microwaving it, so be careful you don't overdo it.) The kitchen towel stops your microwave getting too messy as it will spit fat.
Well done to everyone who has done so well I started a week before most of you and have lost a total of 21lbs to date. This week however, I have stayed the same which is rather annoying, but I am very in the zone and enjoying the food so much! Was at a business lunch today and the only thing offer were sandwiches so I had two quarters and just hope that doesn't derail everything!
I will dig out my Briffa book again Suzymoo. Sadly my BMI issues are nothing to do with muscle. Feeling the need to start some exercises too, looking at yoga which I used to love and I'm reading Fast Exercise and contemplating my skipping rope.
Re pork belly I turn it to 220 for 10 mins then to 150 til it looks right. I still have to put all or parts of the crackling in the microwave. Be warned: it can make the most alarming exploding noises. I just use kitchen towel on the turntable as my plate cracked.
Evening all Just popping on to SMS, will catch up with the thread in a minute.
Back on the LC wagon today, yesterday was very bitty and involved me hoovering up the leftovers from the party (although I did end up binning a lot of it and throwing it outside before I could change my mind!). No breakfast as we went swimming first thing, then did the big shop and had brunch in Morrisons' cafe. Sausages there are probably not low carb, but were very nice
Brunch - sausage, bacon & fried egg. Coffee with cream
Dinner - roast chicken, roast swede, garlicky courgettes (grated into butter and fried), buttered sprouts.
Not enough water - again...
I spent an hour this afternoon going through my tins and packets cupboard, and have chucked everything that was out of date, and bagged up everything in date that I'm not going to eat anymore (all those low fat instant pasta things I had on SW, pulses, tinned fruit, low fat custard and rice pudding) and am going to take it, along with the cakes and biscuits that didn't get opened at the party, to the local foodbank tomorrow. Hopefully someone can make use of them, but I feel slightly guilty about offloading all my horrible carbs onto people!
Ladies, you are all wonderful, thank you for indulging my tantrum today .
Sorry I couldn't reply until now... work and RL have a terrible effect on my MNing.
Humphrey and BIWI, thanks for giving me some perspective again. Been here before and, yes, it does even out at 1lb a week, so still ahead of the game with 9lbs in 7weeks.
Humphrey and Willie, no chance of exercise, sorry . Many different and valid reasons, trust me, won't bore you with them. I do promise, though, to go for a brisk 30mins walk at lunch if conditions allow... I do feel it makes a difference and it definitely won't hurt.
Eva not hungry in the slightest! Breakfast is rich and enjoyable, lunch is humongous and varied... I love salads! Deprived? Not me!
ladygagoo what you said makes a lot of sense. I look my best at 9st 6lbs, and I don't look bad now, all about perceptions of self and hung-ups. My DH will never force-feed me Haribos, though, he's got a personal vendetta against them... they need smuggling in when bought!
Woolfey if you do your sprouts with bacon, shallots and fried in butter, try finishjng them off with a slosh of cream and some black pepper and grated nutmeg. They are delish!
Crabby I claim the self-absorbed title for today. Step away from the wine, get on with the cougetti and I'll pass my crown to you tomorrow if you really still want it .
LittleMiss re low alcohol fizz. Yes, it is more sugary, but I cannot afford to let it go to my head or be over the limit in the morning. Additionally, DH hates it and as my resident alcoholic it is reassuring to know he's unlikely to raid it .
DENMAN welcome to the mad house, what a great loss!
Right... off to curl up with my book for half an hour before catching up with my sleep. Thanks to ALL of you, you keep me sane, you do.
mrshughjarse I would be honored if you copied my menu (although calling it a menu is sometimes debatable ) also, I feel a name change may be in order for you very soon - MrsGreatlyDiminishedArse or some such?
Crabby cling by your fingernails to the bc wagon! <<runs wildy swinging BIWI'S stick in windmill type manner>> ON YOUR FEET SOLDIER! YOUR TIT SKIN WILL RECOVER IN TIME!! (mine resembled savoy cabbage leaves for a little while after I lost a lot of weight in the past, but they fixed)
eva I am loving your excellently optimistic posts. I would be interested in buddying up for the shred. <<disclaimer - I know very little about it>>
ewan I'm so hot for you right now in your swedey pj's
lookslikerain we do hot at the end too if it hasn't gone crispy. Plus salt -are you salting it? not sure if this is pertinent. I put them in skin side up, rub salt in, wack 'em in on pretty high, like gas mark nine. Then I turn them down to three, leave them for and hour or so, and if needed wack the temp back up at the end and keep a close eye - good luck, cos un crispy belly pork is rubbish
B - scrambled eggs and butter
L - Sirloin steak with garlic butter mushrooms broccoli and cauli (one floret of each - I'm having to keep veg very low)
D - Belly pork and wilted spinach with a tiny few heads of sprouted broccoli
S - 2 x beef patties (homemade fried up in goosefat with half a shallot and some garam masala and turmeric and smoked paprika shoved in for good measure. Oh and salt)
4+ litres of water and a disgusting cup of ginger tea with coconut oil in. Rank.
On the general exercise front I do a brisk walk up hills and that, for approx 45 mins in heavy duty walking boots or a beach walk every day - sometimes longer. Getting stronger in the leg department, but won't be able to run (which is my number one exercise staple) again til I've had my operation and healed.
Bit of a rubbish afternoon. Lost one of my dogs (a bloody clients who's long term ill in hospital) today. It
fucked off took fright on the beach and pissed right off. I had to call dp for back up <<helpless bint emoticon>> cos I had dcs and two other dogs to wrangle, and I knew it had bolted off for miles. We searched like professional trackers and poor dp ran four miles round the coastline - getting sightings from passers by/work colleagues and fishermen. Unbelievably we found it (still in shock at that) FIVE MILES AWAY in an industrial estate panicking like a twat and to cap it all, the damn thing came home and took a huge piss on one of my chairs in the front room in front of me! Utterly rubbish. We were considering keeping him if he needed re-homing, but i'm massively reconsidering. He's a small dog with barking at men/strangers issues and he's only barely house trained at almost two years old. Lots and lots of hard work!
Rant over. Keep on keeping on
Ah snowie excellent post
crabby I hope you haven't given in to the siren call of the carbs?!
goodas that was me with the Boursin cauliflower cheese! No real recipe - chop a cauliflower into florets and boil or steam til tender. Slosh of double cream in a pan - about half a small pot? Melt in spoon of Boursin and spoon of normal cream cheese, add handful of grated cheddar. Put cauliflower in a dish, pour over cream/cheese mixture, top with a bit more grated cheddar and bake til brown and bubbly. Not good for non-dairy peeps but SOOO good.
I however am bad - STS again, possibly due to mass consumption of Lemsip/Strepsils. Combo of ill and fed up led to large quantity of biscuits and chocolate at work. Fuckity fuck fuck.
Job interview tomorrow so am going to try for a good sleep and hopefully all will be better
I'm making burgers, at 10:20. Apologies to my neighbour if she's a Mumsnetter! I only just got hungry though!!
Has anyone got a quick reply to this:
Did you watch the programme that was on recently about sugar and fat? Really put me off low carb diets. A lot of the weight you lose is muscle when you cut back on carbs.
pseudo we all did, with gnashing teeth at it's unscientific nobfuckerryness. It was utter rubbish - ie not proper comparison, didn't drink the water - ate NO carbs whatsoever and didn't begin to examine long term sugar effects. Plus some of their science was properly flawed and the tests very unfair and not randomised. Plus the 'muscle loss' as judged by the 'bodpod' was also not factual. Another poster checked the bod pod website and it apparently can't actually measure that at all. Ultimately you must be true to yourself and do what feels best. This works for me and I'm in perfect health (according to myself and my doctor) apart from needing to lose weight.
pseudo my quick reply would be: "low carb? That wasn't low carb, it was NO carb!"
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No, Pseudo, that isn't true. You burn fat when you cut the carbs - that's what we're doing, switching the body from burning carbs to burning fat.
I can really recommend two books, one called "The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living" and another called "The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance" by Volek and Phinney (I think) They are two Americans who don't just write about low carbing, but they also do their own research to explore low carbing and how it works.
They are quite scientific books (the first one was written for medical practitioners), but they really make the case for low carbing very well/very clear.
That Horizon programme was absolute nonsense. How can you possibly make a scientific case for anything based on studying two people?
Ok I'm here. Hugh I'm afraid I wasn't reading earlier - I was too busy being encouraged/enabled by DP. Thank you though and you are of course entirely right! xx
Ewan at may as well sellotape linguine directly to your middle! I know I'm much more bloated when I eat wheat.
LMiss yes the wine begets wine and the wine begets carbs and they both beget more carbs. No doubt about that at all. Normally I can resist the carbs pretty well and I don't have a problem sticking to the food. As I've said many times though, the wine is definitely my weakness. When I feel in that particularly strung up state that I get sometimes, I just want to stop feeling it for a bit. I know that using alcohol to do that is a slippery slope. If I'm feeling fine in myself then I don't seek that numbing, soothing sensation outside of myself. When I feel all strung out on a wire though, I really really do. I'm working on it. I'm just so desperate for a break from my head sometimes.
Athel bless you, come over here and rock in the crazy-corner with me!
Trashy as usual you have made me
<<grabs crown of self absorption from Snowie and runs away with it>>
<<hides from BIWI >>
^^ This is a line drawn underneath my carby twatdom. Tomorrow I shall be better.
I'm not!! I believe in the WOE!! I love the WOE!! I've been asked on Facebook and wanted a proper reply
which I can't pull together myself as I think I've got mastitis
Sorry I read back my earlier post and it wasn't clear that someone had asked me the question....
This will sound daft but is it possible to need to eat more to lose weight?
Yes! I think there's a correlation. If not enough food, body goes all protective of fat resources. Not daft at all, Piste!
Hi everyone, day 3 of übercamp. No snacks, no diary n loosely following the menu but being super strict with 3 BLack Farmer sausages for breakfast, a piece of mackerel for dinner and some meat with allowed veg / salad for tea. It's very restrictive but the only thing I'm going to change is having creamy coffees again in the morning.
Here's the good news, after STS for over 3 weeks, I am at my lowest ever after losing 3pds since Monday
Snowiebear I'm really sorry, what was meant to be useful turned out to be very unhelpful. It must be a very difficult road to walk. I hope that, if I'd carried on drinking, my DH would have left me. He is a caring man with rescuing tendencies but I hope he would have protected himself. Our life in sobriety is wonderful, while I was drinking it was terrible, for both of us. I think I've seen him have a drink about 3 times ever! So I hope the LA wine has some benefits to you and that if I could ever be helpful you just have to ask.
Piste I'm sure that's true - that the "starvation mode" theory of why low cal low fat diets don't work long term would apply if you ate too little on this WOE. I'm still not all the way thru Volek and Phinney so maybe someone more knowledgeable will confirm or tell me I'm talking rubbish.
Another day, food for thought on the way I thought, felt and what of my behaviour got me into the defensive place I ended up yesterday. Going further on public transport than I've so far managed alone today, keeping up the little steps is making them build!
Blimey you lot chat, I can't keep up at all! Apologies I haven't read all the thread.
BIWI, Willie, Lookslike & Snowie Thanks for the advice on the sprouts. Will be giving them a go later, shredded with bacon fried in butter I think for a first attempt. DH has said I'm not allowed to cook them when he's in the house because of the smell!
Toomuch & Ewan Thanks for the advice on the frozen cauli. Never mind. Good tip on the freezing of grated fresh cauli, might try that.
Littlemiss so glad your afternoon went ok. I was thinking of you meeting your friend.
Vague meal plan for the day is:
B Poached egg & ham (would normally have an egg fried in butter to keep up the fat level but just didn't fancy it this morning for some reason)
L Fried chicken & the aforementioned fried sprouts with bacon
T Bacon strips (my new snackie but v expensive crunchy treat)
D Steak with some kind of sauce & veg (not sprouts )
Off to down some water. Have a good day everyone
and meant to say, Crabby I'm also very sorry if it seemed like I was badgering you - I guess I wanted to say that that wanting to get out of your head feeling - and I've definitely been there - does lessen, it too attenuates over time.
Deluding briefly - not running this week as its half term. And this morning the dc made me breakfast in bed of hot buttered toast. Haven't eaten that for a year now
I can feel a bit of a tummy bloat but that's ok, only to be expected this week. I miss running!
Am still ill with this virus but DH has just brought me a bullet proof coffee in bed.
Good luck with the interview Heir
Good luck with journey today little miss.
Climb back on crabby!
Well done el bombero!
Eat more piste.
Ok back to me
I have officially lost a STONE since we started. I'm the lightest I've been in years apart from when I've been ill..
So. Big smiles all around here and planning to eat and drink exactly the same as yesterday.
Boring but at least I know it works.
Thanks to whoever suggested the Boursin, egg and cream in a cup.
Happy LCing everybody
I've had the lidl yoghurt and large tea for breakfast. Moussaka and cheesy coleslaw will be for lunch. Evening I have a peperami. I really don't get hungry on this diet. I'm going on the train on Saturday. That's making me nervous. I really love the ritual of going to pret and buying breakfast to take with me.
LittleMiss I know exactly what you mean, about talking about low-carbing once you know what you are trying to achieve. I tried to ask myself why I was so upset afterwards, and was it partly because I would like to persuade some of my relatives to eat like this - the evangelism thing. When I thought about it, I really have to let go of that. Then there is the correcting of annoying urban myths ("Dr Atkins died of a heart attack" is one I had last weekend (he didn't, I'm pretty sure)). I'd quite like to explain the fascinating body science behind it, I would have thought I'd have had a chance as my family are quite scientific... but no we got nowhere near that. Finally there is just the soothing of genuine concern, ie my mum is obviously distressed that I'm harming myself.
Crabby I like your card, but for my rellies - on point 3 "sugar is not a food group" I would have had a reply about "but what about wholegrains" or something. Also - its not just the carbs, its the fat too - people's panic about saturated fat.
Lookslikerain good luck with yours. With the benefit of hindsight, I would have led with "This Way of Eating is not dangerous or unhealthy". And then I would have talked about how, for ME (ie me, not you, not evangelising) I find carbs cause me to crave more carbs so much, that I can't do sensible portion sizes or low-cal or anything. That for ME, a breakfast of eggs and mushrooms is much better than one of muesli followed by toast followed by banana followed by fruit yogurt and finally managing to stop eating... just... for a couple of hours....
Suzymoo and Seri keep on, you WILL get to the BMI you want! Enjoy the trip down - I felt like it was all unchartered territory!
Trash what a nightmare with the dog! Pseudo my deep sympathies with the mastitis! Yuk, I remember that. Yes the answer is that the Bodypods they used can only measure Fat and not-fat. They can't measure muscle. So the non-fat he lost was probably water and glycogen. And I've never heard a physiological explanation of how muscle could be lost on a low-carb high-fat diet.
Trashcan and Humph I really came on here to say I've just done a level 1 shred! Thanks for the inspiration. I don't have any weights though so I just did it without weights, I'll have to get organised. Water bottles perhaps.
I'm happy to buddy but trash you have an injury and humph you're ill? Is this wise?
I'm now going to hobble and creak to the shower....
Eva, that is great. I am very up for doing shred, but not until the vile bug is gone. Everyone in our house is hanging
It makes SUCH a difference.
LittleMiss stop apologising!! If I hadn't wanted to answer your question/point then I wouldn't have - you weren't badgering at all. I'm very aware of the risks of using booze as a salve. My father was an alcoholic and it killed him. Alcoholism runs through his family and his brother is currently in end stage alcoholism - alcohol induced dementia, amongst other things. It's not pretty. My maternal grandmother was a pretty heavy drinker and my father ran a pub from when I was ten years old so I grew up surrounded by drinkers. It was incredibly normalised in my life, even my uncle's behaviour which was fucking outrageous (my dad was a pretty controlled alcoholic for much of his life, and a policeman for 25years where his drinking was nothing unusual at all!). I'm very aware that I have a genetic makeup that disposes me to depression and addiction, so I do keep a close eye on myself, if that makes sense. I floundered when I was in my twenties, to be honest, but am in the best place now that I've ever been, mentally. I don't ever get out of my head drunk, nor want to - it's all much too middle-aged-civilised, naice wine, sharing a bottle in front of the telly with DP sort of thing. But that wonderful alleviation of anxiety and tension that I get when I've been feeling so wound up all day and those first few sips of chilled white hit the spot and it all just sort of dissolves... well I wish there was just a button I could press and have that happen! The person that could invent that without it involving a potentially addictive substance would make a fortune!
Well, there's a big splurge of too much information to start the bootcamping day!
Heir good luck with the interview.
Pseudo have you been to the doc about the mastitis? That can be excruciatingly painful!
Lavender at 'deluding briefly'! (I know you meant delurking but it still made me ).
Whoohoo for your stone loss Precious!
Eva can you not just blind them with science? I find that when I get all technical people's eyes tend to glaze over and they change the subject...
I'm off to the doc at 11.30 thanks Crabby and Eva
I haven't eaten yet, just 2 coffees with cream. I can't think of anything I want to eat, maybe because I'm feeling ill?
crabby i'm sorry those close to you have been so caught up in alcoholism, it must be horrible for you to have lived with and see now.
i have a relative who is a recovering alcoholic (5-6 years without alcohol now i think) and i have such admiration for him. on christmas day he runs a drop-in support group. he does now display addictive/impulsive behaviours with food though - his wife finds wrappers of sweets, chocolate, crisps, biscuits etc hidden behind furniture and stuffed under seats in his car. the behaviour is such a worry because it is secretive, and it is having an impact on his health, but it is of course felt to be better than the alcoholism for them as a family, which it definitely is. and anyway, in the same way as the alcoholism, what could they do if he weren't prepared to do anything himself?
Oh and Trashy what a nightmare with the runaway pooch! I'd have been beside myself! He must have been terrified to go so far, too. We walk my friend's lurcher on a Sunday and he's a serial absconder - it does worry me that he's going to cause an accident or something. The good thing is he's so fast that he can find you without any problem at all once he decides to. Glad you got him back and (but !) at him pissing on your chair when you got home!
Good morning everyone.
Ugh, BMI. The only reason I now care about it is because doctors care about it, and it’s used as a criteria for allowing or not allowing certain treatments. And it’s damn hard to get a new doctor to listen to you about any health issue if your BMI is over some magic number. Like my back and my hormones. I’ve had problems with both since my perfectly slim teenage years – but as long as I’m overweight, it’s obviously only caused by my being overweight as far as many HCPs are concerned.
Piste I’m also convinced the “starvation mode” is true, and you sometimes need to eat more to lose more! Also I think it’s widely underestimated what an effect low energy diets can have on your thyroid, which then can really affect your ability to lose weight.
Humphrey Hope you feel better soon. That’s good service, though.
MyPrecious Well done on the stone lost!
Lighthouse Pret has some decent things, luckily. They do different kinds of “protein pots” (at least egg and spinach) and some salad that aren’t actually full of pasta/rice.
LittleMiss & Eva Atkins death is an urban myth, yes. Robert Atkins died following slipping on ice and hitting his head. Must have been because of the lack of sugar in his brain, I’m sure… lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/atkinsdiet/a/dratkinsdeath.htm
Yesterday my energy ratio was 3% carbs, 13% protein and 84% fat. A bit over 4l of water drunk. I've peed a lot...
Today's plan is:
B: Fried eggs and coffee with coconut oil.
L: Green salad and tuna mayo.
D: I dunno... meat and veg... (must shop)
Everything's a bit crap at the moment. I'm really struggling with cravings, and weird and pointless cravings, too. Like plain white bread, which is hardly something I've ever really enjoyed. I know it'll pass, though. Something very minor happened this weekend past, and it's still secretly upsetting me, though it's ridiculous, so I wonder if that's why.
Thanks Willie. I haven't seen my uncle for ages and feel really guilty because I know that my aunt wants me to go and see him. It just brings up a whole lot of stuff about my dad that I'm really not able to deal with, so I've taken the coward's way out and avoided the issue.
Great kudos to your relative for getting sober. I agree that's worrying about the continuing secretive behaviour but as you said, the self awareness and wanting to change has to come from him. We can't impose it on anyone, as I well know from my own experience. There's no one so selfish as the alcoholic, ime.
Anyway enough of this. I have to decide what to cook today to thoroughly erase the memory of those carbs!
Morning losers, I'm off to the pub with former colleagues, including 2 other escapees, for lunch. I haven't seen them for a year so it'll either be a good catch up or boring as I don't know what they're going on about and all we had in common was working in the same place but the menu looks ok I just need to ask if they'll change the chips for mushrooms.
Eva well done on day 1, I've dug mine out ready for tonight
well that's the plan.
Trash dogs - who'd have them! Psychopup's recall is fantastic even though all the books say they can't be trusted of the lead but then all the local dogs run to me as I'm the mad lady with a bag of meaty/cheesy treats. My last dog was a dumb as fuck himbo of a retriever who never mastered anything. He thought his name was E R cos we'd stand in the middle of a field shouting "E R Dog" trying to get him to come back .
crabby back on the wagon and be kind to yourself. Even though you know DDs having a lovely time you're bound to be missing her. Don't worry about the boobs they do grow back but in the meantime you can have some of mine cos I've got plenty to share
Elbomb that's a great result. I'm going to give it a go next week if I STS again.
LMD Glad the afternoon went ok, sometimes the imagining is worse than the reality.
Willie maggots and blue cheese - you really know how to tempt someone
Humph Get well soon. DH has manflu and is doing my head in. I'd put leftovers in the microwave to cool last night and instead of putting it in the fridge when he warmed his milk at bedtime the divvy left it on the counter and the cats have eaten it. He's now sulking because he's "not well" - well go to bed and die quietly like the rest of us do when we're sick the 's calling see ya later
warning, self absorbed whiney me me me post
I apologise in advance for being whiney and attention seeking, but I'm desperate.
I still haven't lost what was assumed to be PMT bloat and weight gain and I am now at that point of my cycle again.
I have not, at any point over the last six weeks cheated. I have been ultra careful, printouts of rules etc on fridge. I have increased my water to 4 litres instead of three to try and flush out the water weight, as recommended to other posters with PMT bloat.
I have lost 10 cm round my waist in those six weeks, which is good. I feel a bit healthier, which is good, these are the reasons I have carried on, but I need to lose at least 1 1/2 - 2 stone.
In the first 2 weeks of bootcamp I went from 11st 2 to 10st 6 ( I think, maybe 4) which was an incredible amount. I fully expected to gain a couple due to PMT, but then lose them.
I was completely ready to STS for a few weeks after the first two.
But, I then put on about 1/2 a stone the day before my period arrived, was shocked but confident it would go. I also felt more bloated and sluggish, which I figured would also go away with my TOTM.
But it hasn't. I have weighed in, since then at 10st 9/10 I think, and today I have put on a couple of pounds (TOTM) and am 10 st 12.
I'm getting a bit about it all now. I feel a bit 'what's the point?' TBH right now. I know there are a lot of posts for the experts to get through but can anyone help?
Pretty please with butter on top?
Twit - list out your meals? Let's see if there is anything obvious.
Are you exercising? On medication? Half a stone overnight is not probably fat; much more likely to be water. What do you weigh? Sometimes the water does get held onto, so as to keep fatcells the same size (for later, when you put it back on ) and that can be for a few weeks. Also, oestrogen is being released from the fatcells too, which can disrupt and confuse your cycle.
Don't give up - this WOE is not only best for weigh control, but for health too. And taste! Why anyone woul go back to eating carbs (pastries, chips, crisps, biscuits) when they are so bad for you is beyond me.
Ok, my meals which are the same each week;
Breakfasts - BPC, decaf. Then when I get back from the school run, if I'm hungry, buttery eggs or yoghurt with cream and flax seeds (twice a week at most).
Lunch - belly pork slice(s) buttery spinach/ cheese and mushroom and leek omelette / roast chicken and swede / belly pork slice and dark salad leaves / fish and the leaves or spinach.
Tea - pasta sauce ( mince, leeks, mushrooms and a smidge of sauce for taste) cheese on top with courgette ( if I have any)/ one of the above lunches. Roast chicken with broccoli & cauliflower.
I add butter to everything and cook with butter etc. I might have a fry up at the weekend.
I eat when I'm hungry, which isn't often anymore and when Stop when I am not hungry anymore. I drink all my water and don't snack, except on a Saturday evening when I will have 4 Brazil nuts and 6 almonds.
I do a lot of walking, up and down hills and to shops etc, never drive. I am aiming to start up Callanetics when I feel better ( knackered all the time due to badly sleeping two year old) after having lost a bit as I feel physically tired due to being overweight too. I can't do running or anything more strenuous because my SPD hangover won't allow me. (I'm not pregnant or ill or on medication).
Today for example I'm not at all hungry having had a (caffeinated) BPC with added splash of cream.
Sometime later, I will have omelette and mushrooms, which some spinach mixed in, say 4 frozen bits, if you get me? Tea will be belly pork and cheesy broccoli / cauliflower with lots of butter.
I don't seem to have problems with dairy as I did three/four days no dairy which changed nothing, although I'm careful not to have too much.
Thank you for replying so quickly
NotTwit, is there any chance it's muscle gain that's causing your weight to increase? Other than that, I have no useful input, sorry.
Sorry to hear of people's relatives still being PITA about this WOE - this is nothing like Atkins etc., where no veg or fruit is allowed in the first phase. (I couldn't live with no veg - no fruit was bad enough but no veg would about kill me.) Trouble is that the BDA and various self-styled "quackbusters" have put about that eating anything other than BDA recommended style = faddy and therefore Bad For You, so people with limited analytical faculties will take that on board wholesale and just regurgitate it as gospel truth, which is bollocks.
I have not been posting my food because it's not changing much - still having 1-2 slices of cheese for breakfast on a weekday, not managing anything at the weekend; lunch is even more hit and miss than it used to be and my evening meals are meat or fish with veg and swede in some format.
I'm having the occasional glass of spritzed wine (1 a fortnight, roughly), and occasional chocolate when I can't bear it any more.
And despite that, I have finally broken the 12st barrier and weighed in this morning at 11st 12. Yay! Might be because I had my period, and it's just about finished now, but still - yay!
I'm still in a bad place moodwise though - even more snappy and irritable than normal - anyone else suffering like that or just me?
crabby I loved your bit of morning disclosure here's a bit of mine to help the situation... I'm from a long line of spliff smokers Both of my parents and several aunts and uncles were massive pot heads. My two brothers and I grew up thinking this was the norm and we all took a lot of drugs as teenagers, with my (incredibly neglectful) parents blessing.
Fast forward fifteen years and I have little to no contact with most members due to their discomfort at my choice to leave that lifestyle behind. One of the main reasons I don't drink is because it holds zero allure. I would at times however, give my right eye for a big fat spliff, but then one would never be enough..... queue massive addiction and general withdrawal from life. It's a funny old life eh? Sugar seems to be the latest 'addiction' I've had to kick
replace with mn perhaps I could manifest me a cleaning addiction, it does threaten occasionally
steeleye so sorry you're feeling rubbish, I've had a few days of that, and I put it down to mental re-adjustment. We've nobbled the physical withdrawal, but the brain habits are tougher to crack I think. I felt bereft, like I was grieving but more mildly. It's passing slowly, but the supermarket was the worst on valentines day. I feel a bit silly now, saying that. It's not like the food won't still be there when I've reached my target weight, and I will allow myself an occasional treat. But it got to me, and I felt alone and sad
notso Ha ha yes, I too am a smelly cheese/meat lady I am also a proffessional dog walker so it was very poor form!! The little bugger had an e-collar on to boot! In his defense, I must say he has up to now done excellently. We've had him eight weeks and before us he had never been off lead in his life. He was the bounciest little thing ever. Overweight with zero muscle tone, and little coordination. He's actually usually very responsive it was a proper bolt. Another dog gave him a terrible fright and he took off!
Just read thumbwitch's post and flash of recognition at grumpiness! I have been soooo irritable on this woe. I assume it's all the extra oestrogen running riot as I'm also having a much shorter cycle...so feels like permanent pmt. Fun times. However, am taking all that to mean I must be losing fat as the oestrogen apparently comes from fat cells. Anyone else having a similar experience??
I am thumbwitch
My poor DC. I know I'm being really miserable to be around at the mo and I'm sure it's this diet. But don't understand why I don't feel that deprived (nothing like I did on SW or LF anyway) I am just generally pissed off.
I've just told DH we need a talk tonight, basically gonna tell him to pull his socks up. Don't know if it's me or I am pissed off with him.
Even wondered yesterday if I could have some delayed PND (DS 5 month old) but really don't think it's that.
I'm stopping on the 8th March and going back to a normal diet for me. This WOE has taught me so much re clean eating and about the low fat manufacturers that will never leave me but I need to see an end to it.
Morning/Afternoon all! Time for a mega-post me thinks...
LittleMissDisorganized you have nothing to apologise to me for! If I can draw from the good aspects of the situation, it's make my hide as thick as a rhino's and I don't go taking offense and personalising innocent and helpful comments. Your comments were very valid and welcome, mine were candid, sorry to have upset you .
also to Crabby and trashcan- my "line" is fully with regards to our lovely DS, growing up around the chaos that addicts leave in their wake is incredibly damaging.
Willie when alcoholics pack it in, they all discover an incredible sweet tooth... alcohol gets metabolised into sugars, as we know, and they sometimes over-compensate with sweets, biscuits and the like. As you say, it's the lesser of two evils.
NotTwit - thinking back to my self-absorbed behaviour yesterday, it's OK, that's what we are all here for. It DOES average out at 1lb a week in my previous experience - you are on week 6 and prior to yesterdays weigh-in with TOTM, you had lost 6lbs. Don't be despondent, it is working, keep on keeping on. C'mon, 10cms round your waist is AWESOME!
thumbwitch not in a bad, snappy mood, but very voluble. Look at me, in a pit of despondency yesterday lunch time, chirpy by evening time, jumping up and down and full of beans (not real beans, please note!) today. Does it make sense? Nope!
OK - so not so mega-post after all.
Ah! Yes, Dr Atkins brained himself slipping on an ice patch. If only his fall could have been cushioned by a box of KrispyCrem doughnuts, he'd still be with us .
Twit - your meals look Ok to me (and delicious!); I'm glad you don't have a problem with dairy, as there is a bit in your meals, just keep an eye on how much cheese/cream/yog you have per day. Flaxseed also stalls me if I have too much, so I have maybe 1tsp every week or so (good for bowel problems I find !
I note that you are exhausted - and it is a well documented fact that tiredness can hinder weightloss. Rats kept in a sleep-deprived state will put on weight more than happy rats. Not much you can do about that I think, other than be aware of the fact (and try to get as much sleep as poss) What about portions? Are you stuffed? Snacking? (Other than 4 brazils on a saturday - you sound very focussed!)
I don't think your exercise would result in muscle weight unless you are intensively walking; if its a normal walk, you should be good.
How much do you want to lose?
Sorry I can't pinpoint anything wrong, but I hope you carry on with it; it will happen, for sure.
And as Snowie say - 10cm is 4inches off your middle. That's where the 'dangerous' fat is, so that's great. And the scales are only part ofthe picture.
Snowie - did you mean volatile? as in, mood changing all the time? I could do with some of that, even - I just seem to be grumpy as fuck!
twit nothing screamingly obvious to me either, although, tiredness is a fucker for weightloss. Caffeine and dairy may be contributing, plus the size of/type of veg you're having. I've had to strip mine right back to dark green leafy, and really small amounts at each meal, plus no caffeine/dairy. It's frankly, been a bit of a bitch
Hi Thumb, that's exactly what I mean - voluble=volatile .
I don't know if you would be better off with the trade though... I'm starting to come across as rather unhinged, would settle for plain grumpy for a few days, at least everyone would know where they stand with me.
Needed a pick me up so I've had bacon, egg and sausage for lunch. And water. Now i'm going to bed and hoping dd stays asleep...
NoTwit Sorry I can't really see anything to blame, either. But I think 10cm off your waist is brilliant! Something is going very right for you.
Thanks trash, and sorry you and it seems many are having all sorts of different kinds of rubbish feelings going on at the moment.
My morning crappiness turned into a panic attack in the supermarket, which was then followed by a bit of an emotional binge at home. This is definitely not helpful and won't help my cravings, and I will try my very hardest to leave it at that. Wheat was involved, so I'm sure my stomach will berate me enough, so no use doing so too much myself, as what's done is done.
I'm not letting this ruin the rest of my day! Dinner will be some lovely spicy chicken tighs and buttery green veggies.
Elbombero - are you breast feeding or have you recently stopped/cut back?
I'm sure the depression I was eventually diagnosed with when ds was about 18 months old was hormonally related. I breastfed him until he was 13 months old, having gone back to work ft when he was 4 months old (all the maternity leave you go back then, at least if you wanted to be sure of getting your "old" job back)(I expressed at work).
Elbombero, would you ordinarily use, say, chocolate when you feel yourself getting a bit grumpy/ pissed off? Maybe it's because you don't have that as a help? I know that's why I sometimes feel like a wanker. Not chocolate necessarily, but a food or drink (wine?) that you know longer have?
No thumbwitch I don't reckon it's muscle, I would need to be working out for that lol. Just walking and keeping active with kids and monster toddler ATM.
Oops, missed some posts. Thank you all.
I don't think it can be too much dairy, I have yoghurt with cream twice a week, which is the only time I have flaxseed (which helps keep me regular )and a splash of cream with a BPC in the morning and in my swede ( mainly mashed with butter though).
I drink decaf coffee for the BPC as well.
I wondered about the amounts of veg, so weighed out according to the sheet thingy to get an idea how much to have, so not too much. (I don't weigh it out normally, just wanted to know what it looked like)
I'd love to say, you know, maybe it's that sneaky bit of choc/wine etc, but I have been really careful, which is why I'm pissed off reading about people's cheats and the still lose. <narrows eyes>
I will keep going, I can't eat wheat etc anyway, I know that generally speaking I have been going downish, just wish I had re-lost that weird weight gain after my last TOTM.
Just checking in - I didn't weigh on Monday as it does funny things to my head.
If it's down then I eat "just a wee bit, I deserve it", if it's not down enough then I console myself with something "as a treat".
So, I'm not going to weigh for a month, and, am instead, seeking out NonScaleVictories.
Delighted to share that I have definitely got ankle bones, that my collar bones have emerged right to my shoulders and that my friend gave me a hug this morning and said "bloody hell, you FEEL thinner".
Hi yes breastfeeding. I still provide all his milk so no change really. Wouldn't say I comfort ate. Think what clinches it for me is that on this diet you can have a day off. My WOE before pregnancy was healthy and controlled mon-fri with weekends being about nice teas in restaurants and a box of chocs at home. And I was about 9st then, I'm 9.10 now do just gotta loose that bit more of excess then I'm going back to it
Hello all - not time for a proper reply to all - as half term and have DC seemingly everywhere and needing me constantly for something !
but - I am sure I am retaining water , as I still have the indentation on my legs of the socks I wore in bed last night and its now half past 2 !( and we were up at 6 --love having a toddler--)So - sneaking a read up of water weight on my phone whenever DC's are occupied and I stumbled across this :
The best way to take water is to drink small amounts continuously throughout the day. Chugging a gallon of water doesn't provide your body with the water it needs because that "flood" of fluid gets passed on to your bladder and only a slight amount is absorbed by your body. 
I drink mine in big pint glass bursts though the day to get it in...... may try a different approach. ( and maybe compression socks
Happy wednesday. I am reading and mentally hugging you all. xx
In need of a huge kick up the arse!!
Took half day off work today to take 16 yr old dd out to lunch, she requested Pizza Hut so off we go, me with the intention of sticking to a bowl of salad. All going well, had a lovely bowl of salad while dd tucked in to pizza, pasta and salad buffet. She then offered me a slice of pizza, I didn't say yes but I didn't say no either.
For a split second I sat there thinking, eat it Durham and then you can be sick when you get home. Thought quickly passed and I had a bite of pizza and then went back to salad. But I'm gutted that I had that thought as that hasn't happened for over twenty years now. Used to have eating disorders as a teen and into my early twenties but I'm 43 now fgs.
Just a blip I'm sure and only mentioning it on here as could not admit in real life, dh went through hell at the beginning of our relationship because of my weird eating habits. Sorry to off load and am right back on the wagon, will have a very LC dinner to make up for bite of I pizza
Elbombero, I think breastfeeding is hormonally getting in the way of the benefits of this WOE. Normally I am really calm on low carbing, not hungry, regular cycle, no urge to comfort eat before my period. None of this applies this time, which is sad, but I figure it will stand me in good stead when I cut down on the feeding.
Gussie - great attitude! Try measuring insteaad of scales?
Durham - don't beat yourself up about it. I occasionally think about having a drag on a cigarette - I haven't smoked for 22 years! Sometimes I even dream that I've had a fag, then wake up feeling really guilty... It's like your habits live on and catch you unawares
That's interesting about BF, I'm bfing babyTwit, although only at bedtime now
and in the night. When I first time did bootcamp he was 6 m/o and my TOTM hadn't returned, once past the initial phase, I found it amazing. This time, with my TOTM and reduced feeding I'm worse mood wise.
I tend to drink throughout the day from a small glass using a jug to measure out my water. Are there any foods or teas or things that might help get rid of water do you know?
e durhamdurham on not throwing up, although you are worried that the thought came to you, I think ultimately you should feel reassured that you didn't, you are in control. I reckon throwing up wouldn't stop the sugary shit entering your system anyway, so if you think about it, it would be pointless.
Hope I haven't said the wrong thing, just didn't want you to go unanswered.
Nottwit - if you are still BFing, your cycle/hormones wil probably not yet be stable. Once they are more stable, the water will fall away. It's prob not a good idea to take diuretics if BFing; you could ask your doc but I think they'll tell you to just wait till babyTwit has finished with you!
Thanks for reassurance Captain and NotTwit
Captain you made me laugh about waking up feeling guilty for smoking in a dream!!
The feelings did pass very quick and I think it was because I was sat with my 16 year old and I would be devastated if she ever did what I used to do. Luckily I don't think it's likely as I tell her everyday that she is gorgeous so not self esteem issues with that one
Glad it passed quickly for you Durham.
Sucks that it can sneak up time after time...
Not enough time for a full on post but Hi everyone!
Durham Well done for putting the thought to bed. Can I ask though - is there anything that you're doing that would make that thought more likely to pop to the surface? I find that if I overly restrict food the old patterns start creeping in and thoughts like that intrude. Basically I get desperate for food and desperate not to cock up and so my brain tries the same old same old... I'm also well aware how to flip the "not eating" switch.
You, of course are not me and your though patterns may work completely differently, but I wondered if there had been a trigger
Sarah I think I may be panicking because I have my last 4 lbs to lose before I'm at my 'happy' weight and I just keep thinking, imagine if I didn't get there or just think if I ruined it all now. Not sure why I think this way, I actually have quite a good relationship with food these days. This WOE is great for me as I can't possibly starve myself to death eating copious amounts of fat.
I remember in my teens crying because I was so hungry and refusing a polo mint because of the calories in it (5!) . Luckily those days are far behind me now
Gussie fab decision. Weighing does that to my head too. I keep thinking that weight ins should be Fridays (but then I'd have a weekend long chocolate and gin party).
Durham keep on keeping on and you'll get there
Just need to tell you all that while I spent half an hour reading two days worth of posts I was trying to cook dinner with the oven on... And dinner sitting on the hob on top of it.
Aww Sarah that's is sad ( but kind of funny). You may have to have tonight's dinner tomorrow and have something quicker tonight!!
See that's what happens when you are busy being lovely and understanding on Mumsnet
Steel sorry you're feeling rubbish. I think that emotional stuff and upset can manifest in some odd ways, and food and eating is so inextricably linked with comfort in our minds that I'm not surprised we get odd cravings. I've been very anxious too lately. Maybe it's not having our usual salves/props to deal with/supress our feelings, plus hormone release from the fat loss.
Notso and Trashy I make non-wheat livercake for crazy cocker every few months and take a handful from the freezer every walk. Some days I'm like the canine pied piper with a crowd of keen-nosed dogs around me. Labradors, particularly, regularly try to stick their noses in my pocket/bag because they can smell the livercake (not that it smells strong to me at all). The other day I had an enormous Leonburger who decided that I was her new best friend and that she'd be the world's best trained dog with the biggest pleading eyes for me. Poor little scaredy-dog Trashy. Luckily cowardly crazy cocker bolts to us when she's scared
which is often.
NotTwit 10 cm off your waist is brilliant!!
Thumb for breaking the 12 stone mark. And yes, as evidenced by my post yesterday, am definitely having mood difficulties at the moment!
<<lays out some cushions for all the psycho grumpy fuckers to congregate>> I'm including myself in that, obviously.
Trashy I used to be a regular dope smoker in my twenties and can't have it in the house otherwise I know I still would. It would just be calling to me! I'm limited to the very rare occasions when a friend comes over who smokes and wouldn't even know where to buy it any more. It certainly wouldn't do any good for sticking to a sensible way of eating either! Did lots of other 'recreational' stuff too but that all seems rather inappropriate and risky since having DD. I too would love to channel my addictive tendencies towards organisation and cleanliness, but it never seems to manifest in quite that way, unfortunately.
Snowie I read what you wrote and thought 'oh my dad's drinking wasn't chaotic' - he was quite controlled about it to an extent (unlike my uncle). But the unpredictability of the drunken rages and rows, the normalising of that behaviour, the worrying about his health in later years - all that was chaotic in its way I guess.
Durham that must have been a shock to catch yourself having that thought, but the important thing is that you did catch it, and you dismissed it.
NotTwit there are herbs that you can take whilst breastfeeding which are diuretic, but be careful that you don't end up dehydrated - you may need to adjust your water intake upwards a bit. Fennel seeds (Foeniculum vulgare) are good for milk production, calming to the digestion of you and the baby (some compounds will pass through the milk), is traditionally used for breastfeeding mothers and is a diuretic so should help with water retention. If you want more info, let me know.
Sarah the dangers of mumsnet! I spend too much time on this thread (and haven't even started the dinner yet.
Who's was the cauliflower cheese with cream, Boursin and Cheddar on top??
Just had with pork chops, oh my god, HOW good??
I've been trying to keep up but not doing too well as DS2 and DS3 are sick and not sleeping so I'm a bit frazzled. My weight is still going up and down all over the show so I'm going to go back on ubercamp tomorrow in the hope of at least getting to my pre-Christmas weight.
I have acquired a piece of rare breed pork belly and it is a LCHF dream - practically all fat! Does anyone have any suggestions for getting the best out of it please?
Urrrggghhh, on my way home so will read and post properly later, just to shout my dirty shit...
My name's Betty and I'm a carby twat. Total lack of planning and piss poor prep meant I fell into a mcdonalds this afternoon.
I genuinely feel poisoned, lethargic, headachey and omg the wind!
Tonight is about downing as much peppermint tea as poss and getting an early night, oh and catching up on all this weeks' posts!
Aw I always fall into mcdonalds n ask for 2 double cheeseburgers with no bun. Really enjoy them
I'm humbled by some of the stories that you're sharing here. It just goes to show how life is so complicated.
When people talk about losing weight and they say "it's simple, all you need to do is eat less and move more" it makes me so cross. Not only because that's not true, but also because if it was that easy we would all be size 6!
Thinking of all of you who are struggling with whatever demons you have to deal with
Grumpy, miserable, filthy tempered cowbag checking in. Evening.
What I really want to do is down a bottle of wine in under 30 seconds and then go out and twist someone's head off with my bare hands. Whilst roaring.
What I have actually done, is the washing up, and baked an auberginey/pestoey/mushroom and spinachy/cheesey thing. And in a moment I will be going to bed.
I need a violent hobby. <thoughtful>
oh god i have been sick every ten minutes for the last two hours
never been this dehydrated and breastfeeding before. What should I do?
Drink drink drink, I'd say eat eat eat too if it wasn't for this WOE. Just remember all those African women who live in starvation and feed their babies regardless
Day 3 of übercamp n I've fucking failed miserably. Just sick of this WOE consuming me, had a particularly bad week with DS not sleeping, I'm EBF so no let up and to top it off had an umdinger of a row with the D"H"'so I've caved and had a milky way. I feel crap within seconds and so regretful but now it's another 5 days to get back into ketosis.
MyPrecious that was me - though DH thought it up to give him his dues. I shall tell him it's gone down well.
to everyone who wished me luck with the interview, I was incredibly touched. I think it went ok, will know for sure by Friday so fingers crossed.
I spent a lovely afternoon snuggling with my friend's 5 week old DS (am secretly incredibly broody but terrified of the change it would mean to my life...) She very sweetly made me lunch too - home made fresh soda bread topped with avocado and tomato - not ideal but it was delicious! All good apart from that though, even turned down Malteasers - and somehow lost 2lbs overnight after yesterday's moan.
I echo BIWI - some of your stories are amazingly inspiring. Well done ladies, you are all fabulous.
Humphrey drink as much water as you can even if you keep puking. Get DH/P to take baby and only bring him for feeds. I had this with my first and I rang nhs direct it was that bad, my mouth was so dry and I had a baby sucking the life blood out of me! I hope you feel better ASAP x
Humph my lovely can you see a doctor in the morning? It doesn't sound good, especially with you needing to breastfeed and all.
ElBombero might not be 5 days!?
NotTwit your meals look perfect to me. I bet you get a whoosh soon.
to all those with unaccountable rages and grumps, and those with addictive or food relationship issues lurking just below the surface. You ARE all doing brilliantly. Its not easy to keep the mental health on an even keel, even without these issues.
I've just done a nerdish survey of vitamins and minerals to prove this WOE isn't unhealthy. I can report that we get them ALL on this WOE! (Particularly if you eat spinach or leafy greens, it has to be said. And nuts seem to have loads of minerals in, if you're on bootcamp light).
Oh Humphrey - that sounds awful.
I assume that you are resting, in bed?
This isn't a time to worry about carbs. You need water, but you also need sugar and salt. Dioralyte if you have any - if not, some flat lemonade/coke (not diet), or some hot water with lemon juice, some salt and added sugar in it will do at a pinch. Sip it rather than glug it back.
And I know you might not want to, but can you give the baby some ready made formula? Just to give you a break/let you rest/sleep?
Hope you're feeling better soon.
Just coming on to SMS, I will try to do a Crabby Super Reply tomorrow at some point
B: Coffee with cream and egg in a cup
L: Nothing, forgot to take it and played badminton over lunch so at 3pm (coffee break) there was only chocolate or cake
D: Parmesan and linseed coated salmon with asparagus and celeriac mash
One thing I love about the WOE is the different sort of hunger I get. After badminton today I was hungry but it passed and then came back again later at about 530 and away again. I had dinner at 630ish and wasn't ravenous. Before starting the WOE I would have been "starving" and incapable of driving home without eating something.
I am not sure how eating will go tomorrow as we have a work dinner and ceilidh so I will have to eat what I am given! I will try to avoid things I can like potatoes/dessert etc but I have no idea what is on the menu. Looking forward to ceilidh because most of my group are going and quite a few of them are from abroad (and one from England) and have never been to a ceilidh so should be good fun. Also a nice excuse to get dressed up
B: Coffee with cream
L: Today's forgotten lunch - sausages with spinach and broccoli
D: Who knows
As part of my job I do some work with smoking cessation and with withdrawing from prescription medications and have been surprised how the addiction and feelings are just the same as I have for food
I am also aware I could easily develop addictions, I don't know if the idea of an addictive personality is proven, but if it is, I've got one! I don't drink that regularly as I can't have just one drink, I always have to have
loads a few and that is at the root of my weight issue, I don't just eat, I overeat!
Anyway we are all in very similar boats from the sound of it and hopefully we are all improving, growing in personal terms while shrinking physically Has anyone read The Chimp Paradox? I am part way through and enjoying it, it's making sense to me
Quickly coming on to SMS, but Humphrey, I hope you're feeling better very soon, ElBom it may not be a whole 5 days to get into ketosis - milky ways are teeny tiny... Sayra I am jealous, I love a ceilidh!
Doctor's this morning for a mystery painful lump in the cushion of my hand that appeared over Christmas and will not bugger off. Apparently I have a nodule from tendonitis and need to take Ibuprofen 3 times a day to see if it reduces it any. Otherwise surgery
I also mentioned my never-ending period and without even having to mention it (ta though, Suzymoo !) I was prescribed some transamexic acid. And sent for a fasting blood test to test for just about everything known to man, which will be interesting. I think I had the World's Most Squeamish Doctor, though, I literally just said 'heavy periods' and he was wincing and squirming and began talking over me about peri-menopause; I persevered and actually saw him shudder when I said 'big livery clots'... I wouldn't mind, but he was at least in his mid-fifties, he must have had to deal with this before!
Today was a rubbish day in many ways, we all felt really tired for some reason and cba with doing much.
B - black coffee, total with cream and linseeds
L - 2 x babybels, 2 strawberries
D - steak with garlic courgettes, mushrooms & leeks in cream & mashed swede
And 2 cups of tea at tonight's rehearsals
And not enough water again. Gah.
Humph - I second BIWI - lay off the low carbs and get yourself well first! Flat lucozade is a good option; I prefer ginger ale but it doesn't have the isotonic stuff in it. Flatten it by adding water - the more you add, the flatter it is. Sounds horrible, especially while bf'ing.
Durham - the point is, that even though you had that thought, you chose not to act on it and THAT is the important bit. Congratulations! you're still ok.
Crabby - happy to join the grumpy fuckers corner! Or I would be if I wasn't so grumpy...
Cheese for breakfast, cold salmon fillet for lunch, not enough water <sigh>, energy bar to stave off chocolate need. Dinner will be mince thing, possibly with konjac noodles.
MrsHugh - that pic made me properly snigger!
Elbomb and NotTwit(and any other bf'ers) - remember as well that bf'ing can severely affect your ability to lose weight - some people lose while bf'ing, others can't lose for love nor money while still doing it, but the weight falls off when you stop. I'm holding out for that to some extent (still doing morning, evening and night feeds and occasional daytime ones) but it wasn't the case for me with DS1, so probably won't be with Ds2 either - I'm just older and with slower metabolism this time around. Plus have no stairs in my house now (had 2 flights of stairs in the house with DS1).
Keep on keeping on - and remember that every day is a new one, and can be started afresh.
Just thought I'd pop on to report back on sprouts. They are surprisingly nice. Now there's a sentence I never thought I'd be uttering. Shredded and fried them up with some ham, pepper boursin, cream and lots of butter and S&P. I finished off the bowl and actually considered going and making some more but then caught myself and realised that was just greed and not hunger. Will def make them again, possibly for lunch as I bought rather a few Thanks very much for the idea
I weighed myself this morning and my weight is just all over the place. Struggling with illness and emotions at the moment and it's showing in comfort eating and on the scales. Had a quick skim read of the thread and it seems I'm not the only one so to everyone struggling at the moment.
Looking forward to the weekend when hopefully I'll be able to have a bit of down time and get myself back on track. Have a good day
<creeps onto thread>
I have been a twat of the carby variety. For three days I have eaten all manner of processed shite. I have raging indigestion, blisters on my tongue, I've lost half a tooth on a chocolate bar, I feel like the size of a house with a stomach like a football. I didn't enjoy any of the things I ate, they all tasted chemically and nasty
but I ate them anyway. I am now back at my pre-BC weight and am thoroughly pissed off with myself.
So I am back
<creeps back into corner>
Awww poor Chester
Was the binge triggered by anything in particular?
Offering a hand hold to pull you back up onto the wagon. You'll get there.
Start again, today, no cheating at the weekend? Post on here whenever you're tempted or pm me and I'll try and talk you down?
You do same for me - Friday and Saturday nights are so tough.
Sorry for everyone who is struggling. Humph, I hope you are a bit better now. With D and V, you have to go with what you feel like, but with salt and sugar to get you back to normal. LC will be here for you when you are better. Hope you got some rest.
Chester, be kind to yourself. Today is a new day. Water, water, water. Butter, butter, butter. Have you got the IPD book? There is a lot in there about emotional eating. Well worth a read.
Am doing OK on the food but have had a bit of wine here and there in the evenings. Have got a strange period and a cold, neither of which is helping. HOWEVER, it's half term, I'm not working today, it's not raining and I am going out for lunch. Hurray. Life is good.
Have a good day everyone.
Chester, the important thing is you are back on here posting
Here's another hand to pull you gently back on the wagon <hands Chester a >
Woke up this morning seriously wondering whether to chuck the towel in. Especially after last nights Milky Way, so days now to get back ketoadapted. alot of people seem to be having some great success with 5:2 and think that would be so easy for me (cos I can eat choc!) but it's had some negative effects on BFing mums.
All that said I do believe in this WOE I just find it so difficult. So I've decided to keep on, im 2lb up after last nights slip. Yesterday was strange I was on day 3 of ubercamp and I swear food yesterday consumed me, sugar was all I thought about all day, made me short tempered and miserable. It was lovely when I gave in. Wondering whether uber and BF is just too much.
So onwards and downwards, I think ubercamp has shown me dairy is a staller for me so other than cream in 2 coffees in the morning I'm going to cut out cheese n yog. Do you think that will still work or has dairy got to be completely knocked on the head?
B: tuna mayo
D: corned beef n some spinach
T: 3 BF sausages
S: 2 BP coffees and 3 litres of water
El - I think Uber and BF is too much personally. My baby is just slightly younger than yours and I am just about holding it together on BC lightish. I question whether you're eating enough at all, for you (as the milk will take what it needs regardless). Looking at your menu today is there enough veg?
I've missed quite a lot of the thread recently but I remember you seemed happy with general bootcamp but you've gone to Uber, what happened? I can read back if you prefer x
El - you are having a tough time at the mo, and it is a fact that we eat for comfort (that's prob why you are craving sugar, as much as anything else). It doesn't take days to get back into ketosis, as your body is already ketoadapted. Please don't let one milky way derail your entire WOE. If you crave sugar, have you tried Liquorice tea? It's carb-free, but v sweet, somehow. I can't drink it, it's too sweet!
As you are bfing, I think you are allowed some extras! Your 2 coffee-with-creams sounds ok. Are you getting plenty of allowed veg?
Personally I find the 5:2 very restrictive - I so much prefer to eat what I want (LC of course) rather than feel hungry on 2 days a week! Esp if BFing. I hate feeling huingry!
Pseudo - I went to ubercamp as I had stalled and not lost any weight for over 3 weeks. So after hearing uber could kick start gave it a try. Are you losing on BC light? I lost a stone in first 3 weeks then nothing after. Thanks for your advice, I'll add spins I to tuna mayo and maybe some celeriac chips with saus xx
Captain - I will get some today thanks
disclaimer: i know nothign about breastfeeding
but i am sure that i have read on MN generally that some people have simply found it impossible to lose much weight if anything whilst breastfeeding (regardless of chosen diet) as that is the way the hormones affect them. conversely some people lose tonnes of weight while mainlining cake - your mileage may vary. so do be kind to yourself and your body which is doing a job that requires an enormous amount of energy and all sorts of hormones etc racing around
Thanks for all your kind words, guys, it really does mean a lot.
I think the scales triggered it. I was doing great, then gained on Sunday, so had chocolate that night. Then I didn’t weigh on Monday but was worried because I’d had chocolate, so then I stopped for petrol on the way home and it all went belly up. I was shattered too as I’d had no sleep at all Sunday night (DS related) so that contributed too.
I’m sick of faffing round and getting nowhere. I know what I need to do but I just can’t seem to stop sabotaging my efforts. It’s like I go into a trance and there’s no stopping myself.
BUT – this used to happen a lot more regularly before I started LCing, so I suppose that’s a positive. I want miracles but maybe I will have to take the scenic route and stop being so hard on myself for every little slip.
I am really all or nothing too so once I deviate from the rules even a tiny but I go into full on fuckit mode and eat/drink everything in sight.
I do think I need to stay away from the scales for a bit as they do not do me any favours. I am not a measurer – if I lose inches I always tell myself it’s because I measuring in the wrong place but I do have LOTS of tight clothes I can use as a gauge.
Today's plan is:
B: two eggs, huge chunk of butter
L: Something from M&S - salmon or prawns with salad and olive oil?
D: Sausage (1.6g for two), celeriac mash with butter, maybe some roast broccoli or cauli with olive oil
At least three litres of water
El Bombero as you are Bfeeding please be kind with yourself - you may need to eat more for this reason. I know someone who dieted (was anorexic previously) while breastfeeding and their baby failed to thrive. Don't want to scare you but not sure fasting for a day and bfeeding would be compatible. Though I'm no expert.
^ when I say they dieted I mean they hardly ate anything.
Aw yes suzymoo, like I said wouldn't 5:2 whilst BF. My milk supply and his weight gain doesn't seem to be affected by this WOE but maybe uber wasn't my brightest idea. Just keep eyeing up my old clothes, I'm desperate to get out of the leggings!! Although jeans are back on this week
El I have been losing on light. I'm not 'dieting' at all, I've just changed what I eat. The light bits that I do are berries with yoghurt (frozen blueberries or raspberries) and snacks of Brazils or pecans once a day if needed. I snack on a slice of cheddar, and this week I've included a teaspoon of peanut butter so I'll see what the damage is from that!
I cook everything in butter and use full fat milk and have cream in coffee.
However... After dc1 I tried to 'diet' (WW) at about 3 months and felt so ill and couldn't shift any weight. I stopped and started again when he was about 7 months.
I think my advice would be either try a week or two of BC or BC light, eat plenty but to the rules (to make sure that you're eating enough) and see what happens as a test, or stop completely and eat 'normally' for a while and see what happens. Thinking of you
Hi elbombero when I first did this bootcamp babyTwit was ebf. I found it harder at first I think (with carb flu) than any one else on that bootcamp, and I only lost a little at first, then stalled for weeks. I kept on being careful and at the final weigh in, I had lost about a stone.
I wasn't über strict as I was paranoid about my milk supply etc (although I already can't eat wheat based stuff anyway) and took BiWis advice and just focused on how I felt, looked, what my clothes looed like etc.
I realise after my enormous whine yesterday (sorry) anything I say is a bit but still, hopefully it will encorourage you to keep going.
You have already lost a stone . And you are pissed off
In fact, in order to force my focus away from weight back onto how I feel I am going to put my scales away for two weeks. I am going to relax (ie do bootcamp/bootcamp lite) and try to just be.. Does anyone want to join me? chester?, elbombero? Anyone?
Oh, sorry, just to add, I tried being ultra strict back then, and it made me break and eat a big cookie. I reckon our bodies, more so when BF take a while to relax into thinking, ok, I'm still getting what I need, I'll let go of this fat.
And encorourage? WTF? I spelt it right and it auto corrected it!
Haha thanks twit
Errrrmmm the scales, I need them!!! I depend on them!!!! Ok I'm gonna move them out of the bathroom but think I might have to do the Monday weigh in, moving from daily weigh ins though will do me good.
Sarah- oh no! I hope you got dinner eventually!
Crabby I’m sorry you’re feeling anxious, too. Food (and in the past self-harm) have definitely been a kind of coping mechanism in my bad times, and really both should be behind me in that sense. But it’s been a stressful time lately, and the old feelings do crop up. Sigh. Still, they’ll go away too, luckily. In the meantime I’ll happily lounge in your psycho grumpy fuckers cushion circle!
Athel Well done acting so reasonable despite feeling so crappy. A violent hobby sounds good, actually… Let me know if you discover a good one!
Humprey I hope you feel better today, already. Drink loads and go see a dr if you won’t get better soon.
Eva Yay for nerdish surveys! Not that I’d have doubted the nutrition, anyway. Grains and sugar etc are hardly packed with micronutrients.
Pisci That’s interesting. I can only speak for myself, of course, but I personally found it easier to quit smoking and benzos than to conquer the sugar head. I think partly it’s because you can actually properly quit other things, but you can’t stop eating.
Lovecat I hope the ibuprofein works, hun, and you can avoid the surgery. I’ll do a private eye roll at your squeamish doctor, though!
Welcome back on the wagon Chester, and sorry and to everyone else struggling, too.
My yesterday’s twat attack scared the hell out of me, because I decided to see what it had done to my blood glucose. Holy mother of fuck! It climbed to 12 in two hours, and then took another three hours to come back to sort of normal. And of course I felt rubbish. Wheat is evil. If I absolutely must comfort eat, let it be cream and berries and dark chocolate!
But on a positive side – we’ve just exchanged on the house we’re buying this morning! [happy dance]
ElBombero I think your dairy plan is good. You can definitely have the 'it's harder for me' prize whilst breastfeeding - and any others who are too, I salute you all. I too think uber camp is terribly hard at the best of times, and maybe bc light is more for bf. Slowly and surely wins the race.
Willie am sniggering at 'mainlining cake'
Hello to everybody else, I feel so privileged to be part of this, thank you all for your continuing excellence in all quarters
B - 2 boiled eggs in a cup with a slice of butter
L - Tuna mayo with handful of spinach leaves
S - 2 x pork scratchings
D - Takeaway from Lebanese place - grilled chicken (skin on) garlic mayo and spoonful of tabbouleh (chopped herbs? I think)
4 litres water
Today so far
B - Flat mushroom fried in butter, scrambled duck eggs (2) four strips streaky bacon
Cup of rooibos with 2 teaspns clotted cream
1.5 l water
Am just mainlining a bar of G&B milk chocolate. In my defence, it's because I had a horrible shock when my baby had a non-breathing episode - he, like DS1, has always had an issue with breathing when they get too worked up, I have to poke them in the solar plexus to get them breathing again - only this time he did it lying on his tummy in the playpen, so I couldn't immediately get to his solar plexus. By the time I'd picked him up because he'd gone rigid, he was on the way to passing out - and then his eyes closed and he was out. At this point, the received opinion is that the baby will start to breathe again - only he didn't.
MIL was here - she said DH used to do the same, only he'd hold his breath until he passed out and then breathe - this isn't the same, and DH had never not started breathing again.
I had to pump his chest, MIL was flicking his ear and shaking his arm, I shook his body (gently!) and then he breathed, thank God! and then he came round slowly and OMFG it was scary.
So. Shock wearing off now, and the need for chocolate was too much for me. Can't have alcohol, it's absolutely counterproductive in this situation, but chocolate is a must.
I'll be good tomorrow.
He's absolutely fine, btw! Forgot to mention that, sorry!
crabby I definitely think our grumpy misery has got to do with the removal of another crutch. I can almost feel my brain 'fishing' for emotional get outs at times. So yes, first thought would be - a spliff, although, I'm trained out of that now, second thought would be sweeties and crisps, or doughnuts and chocolate bread products, third would possibly be alcohol, but I'm rubbish at drinking so that would inevitably lead to greggs cheese pasties later, or possibly a kebab. My final thoughts, seem to then gravitate towards fury, sadness, and then anxiety.
Having moved through all of these fucking emotional temperatures, I am quite capable of starting the entire process again from scratch, and working on a kind of loop. Trigger points for me are mostly centred around the supermarket. I wonder what subliminal consumer programming we are having to fight off?
Right now I feel I've moved through that for the moment, and am currently treading water in a 'numb' period. My gut instinct tells me, that I'm 'processing' as it were, and that I will develop, mindfully, different coping strategies. This thread (BIWI am in your debt) is one of them. I guess the others are, having a tidy house, having a non chaotic balanced fulfilling life (which I take the credit for, I've worked really fucking hard at it) having a loving relaitionship with my partner/dcs/friends and actually, my lovely job, which gets me out of the house every single day to 'commune with nature'
walk the dogs at the park or beach
oh thumbwitch how rotten for you all!
shitting hell thumbwitch. it's terrifying just reading that. i think sugar is supposed to help with shock? hope you're ok
trash interesting re emotional crutch... i'm not a shopaholic by any means but i do notice that there is a high for me associated with buying something new - i have to be careful with that
Yeah, hot sweet tea is supposed to help, isn't it - never did much for me, but I think the sugar is the thing to counter the adrenalin.
Thanks - I'm getting there!
Trash, that's interesting about the triggers - I think mine involves subliminal self-hatred that I don't do the things I should but sit on the computer instead, thereby getting far too little done.
I have to say that I have been very good at the supermarket though! not even gone into the sweets/chocolate/crisps aisles. And I've never been a happy shopper, so don't get that high that Willie's talking about.
Just catching up with thread whilst eating lunch and will do a proper reply later but just wanted to ask...
Thumb what do you mean exactly by pump his chest? How and how hard? How old is he? If you had to exert any pressure at all then I'd get him checked by a doctor.
How terrifying for you.
willie yes me too. It's mainly beauty products (nail varnish/eyeliner) and I noticed I get a high from hearing a certain type of packet crinkle - like the one you get from wipes packets iyswim
thumbwitch I worked out a long time ago, that the scathing voice in my head, belonged to my mother even though it sounded/felt like me.
I have to fight the tendency to buy crap for the dcs when I'm not eating any. It's that same crinkle noise from packets of sweets. I love the sound as I'm picking up the packet, and putting it the trolley, or unpacking it at home and putting it away. I've been buying small packets off chocolate eggs, each time I see a different variety, and stashing them in a cupboard in preparation for easter
Bleeeuugghhhhh still feeling grim from my slip last night. Had a bit of a fuck it moment and also drank a bottle of wine AND smoked two cigarettes so no wonder i feel so bloody awful today. I was craving salad so i've had a massive one drenched in olive oil with some pork rillette for lunch.
Here's some and a for anyone else struggling this week whether with eating, emotions or downright bad-temperedness!
Crabby i read your post about drinking with interest. We have a very similar background, lots of alcohol problems in our house when i was growing up and if i'm very honest with myself I don't have the most healthy relationship with alcohol. I occasionally use it to numb and anesthesie and have to really watch myself with it. I'm very envious of people who can enjoy a glass of wine with dinner for what it is. I'm not sure i have ever / will ever be able to just have one glass. This WOE is good for me because it really makes me cut down and be super vigilant about my drinking. in my twenties i did weight watchers and would not eat anything for two days a week so i could drink two bottles of wine over the weekend.
MrsHughJarse thanks for posting the thought about water intake, i'm the same, i tend to glug a large amount at several times a day rather than sipping, sipping, sipping all the time. Reading that has just made me fill up my bottle and i'm sipping away.
chester i feel you're carby twat pain! Why do we do it to ourselves? we don't even really enjoy it, it makes us feel bad but it's to hard to stop.
Does anyone know of any good reading around the emotional connection with food / eating?
OMG thumb just read your post. Hope you're all ok.
Stunt I'd slow roast the pork belly and get lovely crackling on top!
What I really want to do is down a bottle of wine in under 30 seconds and then go out and twist someone's head off with my bare hands. Whilst roaring.
Athel I'm so glad it's not just me who sometimes feels like that!!
Oh Humph hope you're feeling better now. <<<not envy
Heir glad the interview went well.
El it won't take 5 days to get back into ketosis. I really would advise against fasting whilst breastfeeding. It could affect the quality of your milk and leave you undernourished because your body will deprive you to put the best it can into milk production.
Eva tell us more about your nutrient investigation!
Hugh have you been photographing me in the bath again...
Love at lily-livered (geddit!) doctor. Prat.
Chester welcome back onto the wagon.
Thumb and Steel welcome to the grumpy fucker corner <<chucks cushions to lounge on>>
Thanks Steel, I'm a very anxious person so I'm used to it. It waxes and wanes. I'm feeling a bit better now because I've started planning the educational stuff I'm going to do with DD when she gets back, which is what I should have been doing for the last three weeks. Instead, I've been faffing around
on this thread mainly! and not getting enough done. I'm in a constant state of fluctuating anxiety about not being productive enough, then work myself into such a state of panic that I'm incapable of tackling the things I need to do. Bonkers! Sorry you still struggle with those destructive thoughts sometimes.
These coping mechanisms, however inappropriate they might be, are hard to get away from when we've used them in the past. It's as though we've worn a smooth pathway in our neural circuitry... I feel x therefore I'll do y and I'll feel temporarily better. Even though we know that the next step - z feels worse (ie after we've done y), it's still hard not to trundle off down that pathway again next time we feel x. Sorry, I'm not sure that all made sense outside of my own head...
Trashy that fits with what you're saying too... I've had spliff as a coping mechanism, cigarettes, sugary shit, wine... the pattern remains the same even though the substance varies. I'd love to be able to have internal/healthy ways of dealing with those feelings. Your current coping mechanisms sound great, and I think removing one unhealthy crutch (carby food) is going to have a knock on effect on your emotions for a while as you rewire the pathways towards other, better ways of coping. I agree that getting outside is hugely calming. For me, nature photography is really absorbing and calming too.
Steel that's scary about your blood sugars. Are you diabetic? Sorry can't remember.
Oh my goodness Thumb - that must have been absolutely terrifying. Glad he's OK, but also agree you should talk to your doctor about that.
ElBombero - I think you're being unnecessarily harsh with yourself. Remind yourself that you have lost a stone! That's 14lbs in less than 6 weeks! Most people on this thread would kill to lose that amount.
This is a marathon not a sprint that we're in (as one very clever person once remarked). Slow and steady will win you the race. Honestly!
for everyone who is poorly/struggling/grumpy (delete as applicable)
Sorry I haven't posted much this week but it's really busy at work for me - and tomorrow I have to be up at around 5.30 to go to Leeds again, so will be out of contact for a lot of the time.
Betty glad you found that interesting because I was feeling a bit with myself for having over-disclosed as usual! Especially as I haven't made myself anonymous on here at all. I think those patterns set in childhood, and how we learn about coping mechanisms from those around us when we're young are really difficult to erase: whether we emulate them or vehemently reject them - they're sort of burned into our circuitry almost. I don't want to do that to DD, and despite how I feel in my darkest moments, I know that I am not my father... I don't behave as he did and he never really had self awareness of who he was and why, I don't think. I'm very different
and over-analytical to that. However I do use alcohol as a crutch... shit day = nice glass of wine to relax whilst cooking dinner. Great day = well better have a nice glass of wine to celebrate! It's so ingrained in our culture and tbh, I'm never going to entirely get away from that because I love drinking! I do find it much easier to stick to no wine during the week, though, when I'm on this WOE. I'd love to be, but will never be, someone who is happy to have half a glass of red with dinner and leave the rest. I'll always have to watch myself, I know that. I wonder if that's true for all children of heavy drinking/alcoholic parents?
Anyway look this is what happens when I pop on to catch up with the thread at lunchtime - I get all involved and witter on for hours!
Goodness Thumbwitch. how scary for you. so glad all is ok now
thanks for all advice and kind words. I had such a high temp that I didn't really remember posting! I was also confused as to how to get into bed
had a lot of water but it only stays down if i drink tiny amounts, i did neck a glass of peach squash but that was not a success.
Hope your busy day goes well BIWI
Crabby - he's 16mo, and I only had to push down a couple of times, not hard enough to crack anything, more I was just doing a more heel of the hand version of my usual solar plexus poke while I was holding him on my lap. I've spoken to the doctors before about both of them doing this inability to catch their breath thing, and they've never been worried - but I think I may make an appt to tell the GP about this one, because it does rather go against the whole "if they pass out they'll start breathing again" thing that they tell you. I have hyperventilation issues myself, always have had - but never to that extent.
trashcan - I have to admit that I've bought easter eggs. In Australia, they do more versions of the Cadbury's mini filled eggs - ones filled with Turkish Delight, and strawberry cream (Something that a friend and I imagined a tree in our playground was covered in when we were about 8) - they were on special offer the other day, at nearly half price if you bought 4 bags - I may have bought
rather a lot some.
We are all ok - I need to check with DS1 tomorrow that he is really ok, as he was a bit bothered after the event, when he realised that it was a bit scary; but I think he'll be ok too. DS2 is fine.
Thumb I expect you're in bed by now. Please don't think I was trying to panic you or anything!
If the pressure you applied to his chest was similar to the pressure you'd apply when doing chest compressions (CPR), then I would take him to the docs to get checked over. Babies have very pliable bones so their sternum and ribcage don't give as much protection to their thoracic organs as in an older child/adult. This would all depend on how old he is, too.
I'm sure you do it very gently, which is no problem, but similarly with abdominal or solar plexus pressure - if it requires anything like the pressure you'd use to do an abdominal thrust (the old heimlich manoeuvre) then he should be checked out afterwards (in fact abdo thrusts aren't done on babies under 1 yr old, chest compressions are used instead in cases of choking). I'm probably totally overreacting here and you just give them a tiny poke, so please forgive me if this is all redundant advice.
Have you ever tried giving them a little rescue breath when they stop breathing? Just a gentle one (airway open, pinching nose closed/mouth over nose and mouth in small baby, and a gentle 1 second blow into mouth) might stimulate the breathing reflex?
Right really must go now!
Oh god cross posted, sorry!
How awful Thumb! Def get him checked out. Chocolate is definitely advised in this case. (I always thought the chocolate 'prescribed' for Harry Potter et al was a damn good thing - you know, when they were terrified by the Dementors...)
Steel - congrats on house-exchange! And I agree about wheat-is-evil. My DP is wheat-intolerant, we found out whilst doing this WOE. His errrrrm 'digestive problems' have eased to the point of disappearing. TG!
Thumb - that was an ordeal, how awful. My ds used to have febrile convulsions & they were terrifying - we used to get him checked out after - different scenario from yours I know - your chocolate is very well deserved.
Lovecat hopefully the tranexamic pills will help lighten things up for you. Your doc sounds funny . I only just discovered those pills last year (I am 49 and suffered for years) when a new doctor who looked about 10 suggested them to me. I'd never heard of them before.
Oh lord no, Crabby, I've done those chest compressions on a first aid course and it was nothing like as intense! nor as harsh as a heimlich manouevre, either.
No, never needed to try the mouth-breath until today, but while I was thinking about doing that I was doing the pushing on his chest and he started to breathe again before I needed to go further than think about it. Under normal circs, the solar plexus poke is more effective as he's usually thrashing his head around trying to breathe so trying to get him into a position to do that mouth breath would be very much harder and take much longer.
I'm sure it's a diaphragm thing. I shall investigate further though - DS1 seems to have grown out of it, but I haven't - still having troubles breathing normally now, a few hours later (hysterical hyperventilation ishoos).
Thumbwitch glad all is well, here's a and a and a large glass of to have with a big fat slice of
Thumb Oh no, how horrible! I’m so glad he’s okay now, but what a shock! I hope you’re all gradually relaxing.
Crabby and Trash - all your talk about emotional crutches sounds very familiar. I’m often quite angry with myself that I don’t allow myself to have any sleeping pills or anything of the kind in the house anymore. I even made my GP write in my files that I shouldn’t be given any, because I’m an addiction twat at anything that comes by. Crabby’s explanation about following old pathways makes perfect sense to me at least.
I’m not diabetic, but I’m sure if I ever went to a GTT and got results like that, I’d soon get a diagnosis for it. The thing is, my blood sugars have been nice and low and very stable whenever I’m eating properly. This just goes to show that while there are people out there who can eat bread and other carby crap and be perfectly healthy, I’m not one of those people!
Betty I hope you feel better soon; at least the salad sounds nice. I’ve got Geneen Roth’s Breaking Free from Emotional Eating right next to me on my shelf, but I’m not sure if it’s good or not… I’ve read it, and it made a lot of sense, but it hasn’t been all that useful for me personally.
It’s a busy day organising stuff for the house-to-be, but I treated myself for much needed haircut. After yesterday I’m not even aiming for ubercamp-like low low carbs. I’m not in a great place mentally, so I’ll stick to what I can.
B: Fried eggs and coffee with coconut oil.
L: Smoked salmon with cream cheese, cherry tomatoes and green pepper.
S: Small amount of blueberries with double cream.
D: Lamb steak and fresh spinach.
i'm getting horrible heartburn at the moment and i don't know why, it's never happened before except for when i was eating carbs and even then not frequently. i wondered whether it was happening when i was eating later on the days i go into the office (about 20.45 - no way of eating earlier than this because i don't get home until about 20.15), but it's the same on the days i work from home and i eat earlier
i've got it now and i last ate tuna mayonnaise and salad at about midday. i've had a coffee though so it could be caffeine?? though i don't drink coffee when i get in from work in teh evenings...
has anyone else had this?
Thumb you must've been so frightened, glad he's ok now.
Elbomb be kind to yourself, when I bf DS I was advised by my MW I needed 3000+ calories a day and to snack all day on cold cuts of meat and add cheese to everything although we did have rice most nights - easy to eat with one hand whilst rocking the little cherub, who cried through every meal, with the other.
Humph hope you're feeling a bit better
Chester stop beating yourself up
Lovecat hope the TA works for you, I was never able to get on with it but it does stop the flooding.
BIWI I love Leeds for shopping - I think I was more upset than DD when she didn't get the grades to study there.
Had a piggy day today, went to Cafe Rouge for lunch with DH, courtesy of my tesco clubcard vouchers, and had steak drowned in garlic butter
I now reek and salad but then succumbed to a pudding which was delicious so I don't care. I'll probably just have some ff yoghurt and a bpc later.
Off to pick DS up from the station. He set off at 7.15 this morning to walk the 2 miles so I could have a sleep in.
Thumb, how terrifying! Deffo get him checked out (and enjoy the chocolate).
Notso and Suzymoo thanks - I've just realised he told me to take from day 1 of TOM but didn't tell me when to stop taking them! Do you just take them while you're bleeding?
Humph I hope you're feeling better now.
Notso, how lovely of your DS!
Right, I'm off to decorate a batch of cupcakes I just made with DD. We experimented with flavours and colours and made 2 each of lavender, rose, mint chop chip, strawberry, lemon and chocolate. The mint choc chip ones smell amazing and I am straining at the leash not to devour them in one gulp...
Crabby great posts and the neural pathways things is definitely right and shows why when you change the behaviour it takes a lot of repetitions before you lose your default setting.
and Trash and others that have mentioned this I absolutely agree about getting your feelings back when you give up your way of stuffing them down. And that "sitting with your feelings" things that therapists are so fond of mentioning is so hard. I manage to find other ways of dealing with it - I journal, and have started art-journalling intermittently with encouragement from my counsellor and they both help - but when I feel bad the motivation to actually do it is hard to find. The sitting with it I don't manage very well at all - a kind of acceptance that doesn't try to make the feelings change - but isn't it natural to try and cheer yourself up? Whether by creating something, or going out for some fresh air, or distracting yourself, etc... but I guess I am also getting better at saying it's ok... to grieve and hurt, without forcing it away, just trying to keep going while feeling it.
thumb how scary - glad you coped so well with it
ElBombero I also think you are giving yourself such a hard time. I know life is difficult just now, and maybe pre-children weight feels like something you can fix? You're doing amazingly well, but mostly I really hope you can get to enjoy food again.
Chester glad you are straight back on the wagon
So many other powerful posts yesterday. I think all addicts shapeshift tbh - food is an easy one to shift to, because it's encouraged in early sobriety. I think love/ sex is another big one too.
I think I've got dairy issues. I would have said before bootcamp I was sensitive to dairy and used soya milk and yogurt, although I had successfully reintroduced cheese shortly after withdrawing dairy 2 years ago. Starting bootcamp I increased my dairy massively, and ditched soya yogurt as I couldn't find one without polyols in, and so have dairy daily, sometimes quite a lot, in the form of yogurt and cream and cream cheese and cheese. My digestive issues aren't too bad, probably because of giving up wheat - but I had a cold with sinusitis for a couple of weeks and this week I just can't shift the sinus symptoms - which were what I had trouble with for years and years until I gave up dairy.
So. I probably need to withdraw it, the soya yogurt will have to do, it doesn't need cream in the same way (because of the polyols!), no cream in vegetables, or cream cheese, and probably withdraw cheese for a while too. A week isn't long enough - 2-3 is the minimum. But. My sinuses might get better anyway. And a bigger but, what if it makes this WOE unsustainable for me? I have kept to it like nothing before and I'm enjoying my food and I don't want to struggle with carby temptations just because I've made it too restrictive.
Sorry to witter on about relatively minor stuff - struggling with the right decision.
Oh, and I went swimming and it finally doesn't feel like swimming through jelly!! Slow ketoadaptation at the same time as post op recovery has meant that I've not picked it up nearly as fast and it's been a bit of a struggle rather than my usual enjoyment.
That took me so long to write it's crossed with half the world.
Lovecat yes just whilst you're bleeding
Willie coffee on an empty stomach does that to me too, it's a gastric irritatant, but I have had stomach issues for a while...
the no dairy shouldn't make this WOE unsustainable unless you really really love it. can you cope with butter or is that a problem too?
Can I have a bit of advice?
Feels like I havent stopped eating today
B: Two fried eggs and bacon.
L: Two roast chicken drumsticks and a chicken thigh.
Snacks: Mincemeat patty (DH was making burgers), and some jelly and double cream.
D: Whole courgette with carbonara sauce made of butter, cream, cheese, egg, bacon.
Is this far too much food? I know this isnt calorie counting but Im all
Lovecat I used to take it days 2-4 as my first day was never heavy but it worked pretty quickly for me it was just a shame about the cramps. By day 5 I don't need to be as close to the loo all the time so didn't take it.
I love making cupcakes but hate cleaning the kitchen afterwards - icing sugar and black counters don't mix
Monkey looks ok but where are your veg?? I think that so long as you are eating low carb, then if you're hungry... eat. But you need vegetables in there, that's where you're getting a lot of your nutrients. Your hunger could be because your body wants vitamins!
Monkey - If you're hungry, eat! All looks LC so that's good. How's the water?
And no - no calorie counting!
LittleMiss your post really resonated with me...
I absolutely agree about getting your feelings back when you give up your way of stuffing them down. And that "sitting with your feelings" things that therapists are so fond of mentioning is so hard.
This is exactly it LittleMiss... all these compulsive coping mechanisms (overeating, overdrinking, smoking, most other recreational and some prescription drugs) are about stuffing down the feelings. I find sitting with my feelings when they're really overwhelming pretty much impossible.
I manage to find other ways of dealing with it - I journal, and have started art-journalling intermittently with encouragement from my counsellor and they both help
I can let it out in other ways, as you say; photography is my main one I guess, and just getting out in nature with crazy cocker as Trashy said earlier.
but when I feel bad the motivation to actually do it is hard to find.
This is the crux of it for me! When I am feeling 'normal', ie not depressed or temporarily deranged, then I know the things I need to do and I can find the wherewithall to do them. It might be hard, and I might find myself arguing a lot with my elephant, but ultimately I can do the stuff that I know will ultimately make me feel better than resorting to those familiar old short-term-relief neural pathways which do the trick at the time but end up causing more problems. But when I'm in that mad hormonal space or in a more long-lasting funk, then all that stuff is irrelevant because despite knowing what I need to do, it feels impossible.
The sitting with it I don't manage very well at all - a kind of acceptance that doesn't try to make the feelings change - but isn't it natural to try and cheer yourself up? Whether by creating something, or going out for some fresh air, or distracting yourself, etc...
I think that we are conditioned to look for a way to change our feelings/cheer ourselves up outside of ourselves. The short cut ones... food, cigs, booze, other drugs... they are a quick fix. Exercise is a healthy one but can be extreme. Compulsive behaviour, from self harm to OCD cleaning is on the same track.
I really wish I knew what the answer is, but I don't!!
but I guess I am also getting better at saying it's ok... to grieve and hurt, without forcing it away, just trying to keep going while feeling it.
I think you are right here, but I don't think I'm strong enough to do that. I feel that it would be so overwhelming that I couldn't continue with day to day normality, and I'm totally scared of that. I have massive admiration for you, being able to do that, I really do.
Must go because dinner's ready
and I've splurged far too intimate stuff everywhere as usual.
BTW Steel so sorry totally missed earlier that you'd exchanged on the house. Congratulations!
Thanks everyone, do feel a lot better today. I was being far too critical and thinking I need uber was silly and it made me binge. Back on bootcamp lite today and feel quite relaxed. BF sausages and celeriac chips was yummy.
Again thanks, don't know what if do without you lot
willie I had the most shockingly bad heartburn last week, it was just awful. I have changed nothing but it's gone now - I wondered if it was an adjustment to the food making my juices tougher to break down harder food but am aware that I just made that up out of my head .
lovecat yes you just take them whilst bleeding. Are they still massive and do you take six a day? I had them years ago, but couldn't get it together enough to keep taking them.
littlemiss great post. I have not had much in the way of therapy, but I really get the idea of sitting with my feelings. I have described it as 'surfing the wave'
I guess routine has been the greatest of my saviours in dark times - which I struggle with so much less now I have a routine that is my own creation.
Also I discovered that flashbacks are not just momentary things. They can last for hours or days and can be emotional as opposed to things one sees or hears - so a mood can be understood as a flashback and this has helped me to accept the situation in my head and believe it will pass.
Someone at wotk told me that I'm dissappear today!
Im having loads of water, 4-5l a day
with lime cordial
I usually have lettuce/sprouts/asparagus etc but just not today. I struggle with veg at the best of times-vile stuff
What a compliment lighthouse!
Eek, Crabby that was impressive dissecting.
I wonder what couldn't continue with day to day normality looks like? I am grateful that I've been forced to have time to try and learn. Because as circumstances had it, when my life fell apart after my accident over a year and a half ago, that day to day normality got completely ripped apart without my consent. And so I've had time and though some of the pain hasn't lessened I've maybe learned to live and feel. I never imagined my life would turn out like this but I'm really grateful for the completely hidden blessings of it.
I think Willie it's just that I've become quite dependent on the dairy - yogurt as my breakfast staple (which is why I need to reinstate the soya substitute), probably cheese of some variety at at least 1 meal. If I dropped butter would I be best to switch to coconut oil? Not sure I fancy the sound of omelettes, spinach etc all in it. I think I have a very low opinion of my sticking ability as well!! - because I'm kind of thinking, well, some people sustain it but I'm a bit rubbish generally at eating changes and the emotional eating is lurking and waiting for me.
Lmd I know that knife edge feeling that you could so easily slip back into old habits. But Fgs you have given up alcohol so you do have evidence of your sticking ability! I know it's different but it still takes some of the same strength that you've already demonstrated.
Unless you're actually lactose/camp intolerant/allergy maybe butter would still be ok even if you give up the other dairy? I have to keep cheese and cream down of I want to lose weight and they do make me feel sort o stodgy
Just trying to catch up but to all the grumpy fuckers in need of a violent hobby I can thoroughly recommend body combat! 1hr of punching & kicking definitely relieves the stress & you're too knackered at the end to do any real harm to your nearest & dearest
monkeyface - the rule is, if you're hungry, then eat! Don't worry about calories.
As long as you're eating enough fat and drinking enough water, it should be fine.
But you aren't eating anywhere near enough veg! That's where your carbs are supposed to come from.
And please don't tell me you're really drinking lime cordial!
Trashcan I totally agree about emotional flashback. It triggered a massive fall into carbs for me last autumn when something random on a day out triggered a flashback to the feeling of helpless terror I had during my child's birth. It lasted for days and coloured everything I did and thought. I'd never had that before and I had no defences. Hence the carbfest and the extra 6kg I have still not fully got rid of.
Wow Chester losing half a tooth seems particularly unfair! ouch.
Thumbwitch how incredibly traumatic for you. Well done indeed for bringing him round.
LittleMiss if you have a dairy intolerence I think that has to come first. Can the soya yogurt etc can substitute in a way so you don't feel deprived? I have no idea of the carbiness or otherwise of soya yogurt/milk. Also I don't know what a polyol is! Perhaps the thing is to find substitutes for the way you use dairy, rather than the dairy itself. So can you plan your favourite non-dairy meals?; Is there a good sauce that can substitute for cheesy/creamy sauces? (The one with Crabby's fish stew might be worth investigating, seems to involve stock and alioli?) Can you line up a tempting easy snack option, instead of cheese?
Also - well done with the swimming! (I did shred for the second time today... I can barely walk now. A day off tomorrow!!)
Crabby you made the mistake of asking about the vitamins and minerals! Nerdish alert.
This list is just for food allowed on this WOE. Fortunately there is something against each vitamin or mineral. A bit random, as I compiled this list from 4 different websites on the subject. Amazing how important leafy green veg (and nuts) are!
Vitamin A: Liver, crab, eggs, carrots, kale, spinach, broccoli, salmon, dairy products
Vitamin B1 (Thiamin):Pork, ham, beef, milk, nuts
Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin):Yogurt, cheese, pork, beef, liver, tuna, eggs, broccoli, spinach, nuts
Vitamin B3 (Niacin):Tuna, liver, turkey, chicken, salmon, beef, pork, haddock, scallops, asparagus, nuts, dairy
Vitamin B5:Eggs, mushrooms, avocados, yogurt
Vitamin B6:Liver, shellfish, fish, chicken, pork, beef, eggs, avocado, brussel sprouts, nuts, spinach
Vitamin B7:Salmon, eggs, avocados
Vitamin B12:Liver, trout, beef, crab, shellfish, fish, lamb, tuna, eggs, cheese, poultry
Vitamin C:Tomatoes, peppers, broccoli, cauliflower, brussel sprouts and other veg
Vitamin D: sun… and salmon, tuna, mackerel, beef liver, chicken liver, egg yolks, cheese, mushrooms
Vitamin E: Olive oil, nuts, avocados, spinach, asparagus, broccoli
Vitamin K: Broccoli, tuna, avocado, spinach
Calcium: Milk, yogurt, cheese, spinach, broccoli
Choline (a B vitamin):Eggs, milk, broccoli, sprouts
Chromium:Fats, oils, broccoli, green beans
Copper: Nuts, mushrooms, shellfish, shrimps
Folic Acid: Asparagus, spinach, brussel sprouts, lettuce, broccoli, nuts
Iodine: Cod, tuna, yogurt, cheese
Iron: Liver, beef, pork, tuna, leafy green veg, asparagus, nuts, poultry, shellfish
Magnesium:Nuts, spinach, yogurt, cheese, chicken, beef, pork
Molybdenum:Nuts, milk, spinach
Phosphorus:Yogurt, cheese, pork, beef, tuna, chicken, salmon, eggs, nuts
Potassium:Tomato, celery, artichokes, carrots, broccoli, avocado, fish, beef, pork, lamb, chicken, yogurt
Selenium: Tuna, shrimp, fish, liver, ham, beef, bacon, chicken, lamb, eggs
Zinc: Liver, beef, crab, lamb, turkey, pork, chicken, cheese, nuts
I haven't managed to catch up with the thread but wanted to say thanks for the pork belly advice. I managed to crisp it enough under the grill but, let's just say, it's a good job DH and I have all our own teeth. It was a tad crunchier than I'd hoped! BIWI I may buy some pork rind from morrisons just to try it in the microwave!
Woolfey glad you enjoyed the sprouts. I've just added another kilo bag to my online shopping. DH was disappointed earlier when I said the sprout season ends soon. He didn't even eat them until we met!
Interesting what's been said about breastfeeding. I still feed 2yo DD. She only feeds bedtime and early morning
and during the day if she can get away with it, but I wonder if that's affected my weight loss. I don't have much it lose so always assumed it'd go slowly but I bet bf hasn't helped.
I'm definitely losing inches though. I could probably get my trousers down now without undoing the button. <classy>
And sympathies to all the grumpy people out there. I share your grumpiness. I nearly lost it with a self service checkout the other day. Stupid machines.
Off to catch up...
Eva - I wonder how much of a foodstuff against each vitamin/mineral you'd need over a week to get the vitamins and minerals you need? For example, for Vit D I have very low levels and take GP prescribed supplements (plus extra multivits and minerals) but if I was just relying on the foods listed for that item.. I eat very little fish and I don't like liver so I wonder how much cheese or mushrooms I would actually need to get my requirements?! My GP said we shouldn't rely on the sun in this country (& I figure my body proves this as I used to be outside daily for hours at a time...!) I also wonder if how you prepare the food affects the nutrient content - obviously it does but I wonder how well we could actually rely on that list if cooking the food reduces the nutrients - is that list based on the raw nutrient values?? Certainly interesting reading!
Had tea at Nandos tonight (ds1s prebirthday party)... plenty of low carb options and was yum!
Thank you Crabby. We've been stuck in a "temporary" flat for 8 and a half years so this is a big deal for us, and it's been fair few months since we made our offer, so it's a relief to have things moving, finally.
I'm finding a lot of this talk here quite triggering, actually. Hmm.
Thank you for the details, Eva. Very interesting!
Yep, lime, lemon, and vimto NAS squashes with my water. I swear, I have tried, I really have, to drink plain water but I CANT.
The good news is Ive given up my 8 cans/2l Pepsi Max a day. I now have just the one can with my dinner.
The squashes all say 0.3g carbs per 100ml.
And Ive lost 19lb since Jan 1st so cant be going too far wrong.
Today was bad on the veg front, but isnt usually. Tomorrow I will have shredded iceberg with fried eggs for breakfast, roast chicken salad for lunch, and a baked camembert with asparagus to dunk for dinner.
Daisy that's beyond even my nerdish capabilities! I noticed for a few vitamins/minerals it is possible to have too much. And for others eg Molybdenum you only need a tiny tiny amount. I'd carry on taking the vitamin D supplements if I was you. (I think cheese and mushrooms are fairly minor sources of vitamin D, the mushrooms only appeared on one of the 4 websites I looked at too!) If you weren't eating low-carb, the only other source of vitamin D you'd encounter would be fortified breakfast cereals.
fyi daisy and eva mushrooms vitamin d content rises hugely if you put them in the sun/outside for half an hour before you cook them.
Just checking in.
Am struggling a bit in keeping going because I seem to bobbing up and down the same three lbs over and over. Hand on heart I'm being fairly good, and I like the food so as long as I plan its OK. But when tiredness strikes, so do those food gremlins, telling me that chocolate and a pint of wine are the answer.
But I'm another one with historical eating issues, inc bulimia, so those demons are never far away. Part of why I'm doing this is to find a long term approach to eating which is sane and semi normal. I have two young daughters and I desperately want them to have normal relationships with food and body image, so I don't want them to witness me on any weird diets with shakes and bars for dinner. Its easier to have a family dinner and just not have the potatoes. So that ramble is to say to Crabby and others struggling with addictive feelings, that I get it. I also used to overindulge in drink and drugs, and still have no off-button with wine.
For Pseudo and ElBombero, I BFed for nearly a year with each and struggled to lose anything. Once I stopped the weight started to gradually reduce
I hope you all have a good day. I don't post every day but I do read the thread daily and I so appreciate all your support.
Lovecat - I usually take them for about 5-6 days - experiment with it. I find saving 2 to take just before bed really helps me throught the night. Hope they work for you.
Eva and Daisy - when (if) we get any sun, that is the best, most easily accessible, and cheapest source of Vit D! Get outside. Get some sun on your skin.
Ambassador - lots of others have posted tha same; not losing as much as they'd like, bobbing up and down with the same lbs. Keep going. It is a marathon, not a sprint. The weight didn't go on overnight, it won't come off overnight (and other platitudes, sorry! ) Hand in there. It will come off, slowly, safely.
So glad I got through yesterday. Feeling much better physically and mentally already. Amazing what a difference a day makes.
Just had lovely breakfast - two poached eggs sprinkled with a tiny bit of cheddar, half a left over sausage sliced, left over mashed swede and celeriac patty and mushrooms all fried in lashings of butter. Feeling ready to face the day now.
Fridays are odd as I am off with DS and we generally meet with friends. Today we'll be out most of the day so not sure what food will be available when but I am fine to go without if there's nothing suitable.
Tea is belly pork strips, although I could do with a way of cooking them that won't see me lose any more teeth. Ideas?
Great night last night....thank goodness the boss said we could all just come in whenever we wanted! I'm going in for morning coffee at 10
Dinner was good and I did manage to avoid some carbs but not all. Starter was a goats cheese tart which I ate the inside of, it had beetroot though so that was probably higher carbs. Main was chicken wrapped in bacon with mashed potatoes and veg, so I left the potato, luckily the guy next to me said "oh yeah you don't like mashed potato do you? I remember you saying that before". Dessert was a cheesecake with marshmallows in it, I had a spoonful but it was too sweet so left the rest.
I did consume calories in the form of red wine but I think I needed the instant energy from the wine to keep up with the dancing
Dancing was fab, the people who had never done it before picked it up quite quickly but with ceilidh dancing it doesn't matter at all if you do it wrong.
B: Coffee with cream
L: ? got some vegetables to take but nothing else
D: Another night out tonight so again need to see what there is and avoid carbs
Avoiding wine tonight will be fine, I don't drink a lot anyway and normally drive cause I live miles away from the city. Last night people kept saying "are you drinking?!"
And I weighed myself yesterday and today and I am now a whole stone down, I will bear that in mind for Monday weigh in if three nights out in a row cause me problems. Got yet another night out on Saturday which i organised ages ago "because we don't do enough" it just ended up being on the busiest week I've had for ages.
trashcan that's really interesting! I shall make sure my mushrooms get sun in future!
eva I did animal nutrition at Uni.... we never touched on changes in nutrients from cooking veg/processing foodstuffs (it was animals rather than humans!) but I do find it all very intriguing...
captain I used to spend hours a day outside every day of the year! it made no difference to my Vit D levels, in fact my GP said we only have a very short window of time in the UK per year to get Vit D from the sun as the sun is only strong enough during the short summer months and if we have a bad summer, then we can't get enough full stop.. I still make sure I spend time outside in the sun but take supplements and my GP recommended I gave the rest of the family multivits as well as she feels everyone should take Vit D supplements and that boosting other levels won't hurt either.
Steeleye I'm sorry you're feeling triggered... I hope you are keeping safe and looking after yourself.
Eva " substitutes for the way you use dairy " - that's really wise. Soya milk is low carb. Soya yogurt has polyols which are the not-quite-artificial sweeteners that they put in Atkins bars and diabetic chocolate etc. But, carb wise it's a gram or so more per 100g than Total. That's ok. And I haven't found I've needed to snack and I'm like someone else said, I like cooked cheese in things but otherwise don't really eat it. I think when I initially gave up dairy, it seemed huge. Then when I started to think about it I realised it wasn't going to be all that terrible. Maybe I'm getting there now...
Thank you, and also to Willie, for helping me think all this through, I am really grateful
I've got a couple of days without commitments - going out on the bus to the shops (still a big deal for me), going to snuggle with some arty stuff in front of the curling and an evening where DH isn't going out so we can spend some time together - looking forward to it.
Sorry everyone, will come back later to do a proper post - just SMS to say that I've been given a box of hotel chocolat pralines for something work-related (nice!) - and they are TOO SWEET! Will be going in the bin
Also...scales are sts BUT I realised this morning I can now remove my favourite black work trousers without even undoing the zip! Soooo....non-scale victories anyone?!
Hope everyone's ok, will try to catch up later
I really can't keep up with the thread!
I'm so sorry.
So well done to the losers and to the non scale victories.
Big hugs and keep on keeping in to those who have STS or put on.
I'd like to change my weigh in day to Friday - always the best figure of the week!
Not to worry. Planning on being super strict this weekend so hopefully be down even a little more by Monday.
Happy LCing everybody
I've got a 13th birthday tomorrow which is sure to include cup cakes. I don't mind that so much but I've said I'll take her to pizza Express/Nandos/GBK on Sunday. It's going to be challenging.
light I took my ds and friends for birthday treat at Nandos last night... It's actually surprisingly friendly for low carb. I had butterflied chicken with ratouille there were other veg sides or 3-4 LC friendly salads. I have to say my meal was yum!
Quick question peeps. I'm not well and haven't been eating or able to keep water down and I think it is affecting my breastmilk supply as DS3 is crying at the breast. Would it be okay to have some Coke mixed with water to sip to try and get my hydration and electrolyte levels up or is that completely stupid?
Stunt - I think it's more important to rehydrate and balance your salts and sugars so go ahead. Hope you feel better soon!
StuntNun - no it's not stupid. Your hydration levels are more important at this point than worrying about carbs. Hope you're feeling better soon
StuntNun, I am in the same postition and I have been drinking squash.
I must say, the illness inspired whoosh fairy has been, my stomach looks as if it has lost a few inches.
Popping in to SMS, not about food really (babybels and spicy chicken broth today, not very hungry) but more to let you all know I am down to the last two for the job! They just called and asked me to go to a second interview next week.
Hooray! It was the pick me up I need, as have been slipping into carby twat-dom the last couple of days with biscuits and sweeties on hand at work due to general tiredness/illness/lethargy.
This weekend I plan to eat impressively well, go for a walk on the beach (if they have cleared the landslides up, eek!) and sort out our horribly untidy flat. PMA and all that
Woo hoo! Brilliant news, Heir! Fingers crossed that you are The One that they want
I'm just in a Mexican street food place. Hate eating on my own. The music is ace and I just want a margarita ! I've ordered Guacamole and fennel pork scratchings. God knows what they will be like.
Lovely news, Heir. Fingers crossed it all comes good.
Stunt, I agree with BIWI that all bets are off when you are ill. If you are drinking coke, try putting a bit of water in it to make it flat (easier to get and keep down) and a pinch of salt to help your electrolyte balance. It's rotten being ill, but doubly so with a BF baby. Get better and let the carbs take care of themselves til you are feeling yourself again
Someone linked to a lovely roasted broccoli recipe with garlic, parmesan, lemon and chilli. Oh my word. It is AMAZING. I'll never do boiled or steamed again.
Rubbish cold here with dripping nose so I've had some medicine as I am out to the opera tonight so cant sneeze through it. Now a DVD for the kids beckons as I have a wee snooze. Got to love half term.
Have a good evening everyone
I can't testosterone these re fried beans set before me. I never even ordered thrm
Thanks guys, I went for half apple juice half water in the end, just sipping at it
not like my usual habit of downing pints of water but I'll need some sodium as well, maybe I'll suck a couple of salted almonds. I suppose lucozade is ideal but I can't stand the stuff. It's doubly bad as DS3 is just getting over the same thing so he wants to feed more than usual to sort his sore tummy.
OMG spell check or what!!
Anyway, for the first time in my life I have left most of the refried beans, the pork scratchings that were really puffed up fancy crisps and both tortillas just ate the filling. Is this progress? It's very new to me.
Heir that's brilliant, I'm so pleased for you and glad it's given you a boost. Do you think the application I'm waiting to hear about at the moment might join you?!! Enjoy that positive feeling this weekend - you don't need biscuits to feel better, you can feel good about yourself anyway.
StuntNun : Whatever works when you're that poorly. If you feel like cheddars/ toast (just things I've managed when I've been that unwell) then have them. Oral Rehydration Solution (Dioralyte) is essentially made of a litre of water, 6 dessert spoons of sugar, and 1/2 teaspoon of salt. Those have the vital molecules to push the water through your small intestine, as you probably know with your other hat on. You can then flavour it as you like, a good slug of hi-juice type squash if you have any is a good thing to flavour it with and take away the taste of the salt (and not too awful on the way back up). Flat coke/ lemonade is fine if that's all you can manage but it is a bit short on salt.
Anyone else watching the curling? It's a bit one sided. DH and I watched the second half of the bronze match this morning and it was brilliant. I'm munching egg-in-a-bowl-instead-of-a-cup as explained by our (mostly) Scottish posters with the peppery version of boursin (which is 2-for-1 in Sainsbury's at the moment in case anyone is interested). I did lots of walking earlier, and was in M+S where I didn't buy anything not allowed, including clothes, as I agreed to get to a stone and a half with DH for that. 17.5lb as of this morning. Almost but not quite!!
goodness, what a lot I have missed., disclosures, sharing of addictive pasts, " addictive shape-shifters" , falling off wagons and arms outstretched to nurture back on. What an amazing bunch..... there must be a book in it <don't look at me...... am not a literary type.... maybe Biwi should publish her memoirs >
Gosh - what a lot - happy Friday everyone as we embark on another weekend. I have survived half term with despair or violence ( DD1 rather challenging at nearly 17, DD2 calm and the peacemaker, DD3 is aged 3...need I say more !)
going as far back as page 11......thumbwich echoing calls to get your little one checked out apnoeas always need to medic review.
chester.. you're back onboard your elephant - hold tight !
mpr I agree Fri/ Sat nights are killers - am around too for a pm tonight if anyone want a stick or handhold. I am going to try and keep away from Gin and absorb myself in TV
elbombero. All folk are different, but I virtually starved myself to death trying to lose weight whilst breastfeeding ( was desperate as put 5 stone son at each pregnancy) . I fed all of them for 9 months, and hardly a pound came off until I stopped. I do try and get DD1 to appreciate the sacrifice, but as you can imagine... saving my breath would be better ! I just keep to myself the smugness that she is a robust , intelligent healthy individual !
Steeley congrats +++
trashy echoing your menu... but fell off at Lebanese...... not many of them down 'ere in somerset ! and at high on packet crinkling noises , but scarily I know exactly what you mean.... and can't remember if it was you , but double at putting mushrooms in the sun to improve Vit D !
willie killing heartburn here too some days - resolves with a glass of almond milk.
eva thankyou, you are such a star for listing all of this vits/minerals - its really helpful
stunt drink ANYTHING. 20 mls at a time only, every 10 mins. Poor you sound hideous. Breat milk should be ok - but at your detriment. Keep going, keep drinking
heir great news - although SECOND interview sounds scarey, Hugely well done !
I have just come on AGAIN.... I bled for 16 straight days ( mirena in - so normally only a couple of light days). I have only been blood free for 5 days and now am flooding again.... I can't stand this - maybe its coincidence with LCing and I actually need a hysterectomy or something.....
Oh god, I just woolfed a chocolate chip cookie. What can I do to limit the damage?
It was out of despair at the mess after having the ceilings plastered. I only bought them for the workmen
I glugged a pint of water and have got some sausages frying. This won't derail me too much, will it? <hopeful face>
Don't be crazy ....,it will be ok - don't panic , I reckon just be super low carby tonight / tomorrow . As my DDs would say "chill" x
Thank you MrsHugh! x I think I was getting a bit overwraught from being too hungry with not being able to get into the kitchen - a bit of bad planning!
Sausages and buttery egg and I am fixed - phew!
stunt bananas are supposed to be very good when you've been vomiting as they're easy to digest and full of potassium and something else, try a couple of small slices and see how you get on but don't have any dairy as that will feed any remaining bugs - that was the advice we were given last year when 60% of the school was hit with the norovirus one week - god it was grim, I'd only been there 3 wks and there were kids vomiting everywhere.
heir fantastic news about the second interview.
lighthouse laughing at the testosterone fuelled beans
LMD I admire your retail restraint. DD's come home from uni and the shops were still open so we went for a mooch and a natter and I managed to come home with another pair of boots - they were reduced from £140 to £60 and I've only got about 30 pairs so I really did need them they're nearly as nice as the half price Vivienne Westwood's DD bought. Her excuse is she only take a 2.5 so whenever anything fits she buys it.
Sybil hope you're feeling better as well and enjoy your night.
MrsHughJarse A few of us have been suffering, I wonder if it is down to LCing. I'm on HRT and hadn't had anything for nearly 6 months so I was totally unprepared for last week and had to rummage through handbags
yes I have a problem when it comes to shoes and bags I haven't used for years to find tampons.
DH's manflu has almost gone so we went to the beach with psychopup, 'park on Morrisons' said the wise wife adding 'I'll nip in for a few bits to get the ticket validated' 'that's wrong, I'll park on the street and pay' said honest hub. We came back to the car an hour later, cold and windswept, only to find a £25 ticket on the windscreen the ticket had blown over on the dashboard, probably when I got out and wasn't visible to the little hitler who did us 10 mins after we parked, the street was empty in both directions so the barsteward must've been hiding, and the moral of the tale is always listen to and obey wifey
Have a good evening everyone and remember if you can't be good then sip or suck it slowly and drink lots of water before bed
My turn mrs Hugh jarse!!
Please don't let me drink
Luckily haven't bought any prosecco so would have to go to shop...
Also I'm having terrible cravings. Haven't experienced anything like this since start of bootcamp.
I literally can't stop thinking about and longing for haribo, dairy crunch chocolate and walkers ready salted crisps.
I've been so good all week.
Notso how annoying! Surely you can send the ticket you bought and not have to pay the fine?
you'd hope so in an honest fair world but...
Good luck heir
Humanordancer the trick is to leave it at the one cookie. Do NOT think "I've blown it I might as well eat the packet"!!
Had to go food shopping today as we'd simultaneously run out of butter and mayonnaise. The new staples.
Eva we've challenged it in writing but the jobsworth I spoke to said if we hadn't displayed the ticket properly then we would be liable. He was named in the email along with a suggestion they issued tickets with sticky backs.
Thanks everyone - and LittleMiss I'm sure the LC luck will be in for your application too
I am feeling utterly shattered so DH is ordering a takeaway - am pushing for Indian so can order lamb tikka pieces and broccoli paneer.
mpr .... I think biwi or willie told me to imagine Choccy was dog poo once and it really worked .
If you are low carbing to lose weight - tell yourself you can have it all if you stand naked In front of the mirror while you eat it !! It might work ...... ?!
Or - let yourself have a manageable small bit of the thing you are craving the most to make the craving go away ?
Don't undo your good work --- keep strong ! Get a film on the tv to take your mind off it ? Have a fab long bath ?
Thanks for the oral rehydration solution recipe LittleMiss, I've made up some using dilute Ribena and salt and it doesn't taste bad at all. I'm following MrsHugh's 20 mls every 10 minutes advice as I have a raging thirst. Fortunately DS3 is in bed now so hopefully I won't need to feed him until the early hours. DH has come down with the same thing while DS1 and DS2 are blissfully unaffected.
I don't think I could manage any banana NotSo, maybe tomorrow. I don't think I've ever gone a whole day without eating anything before. I assume I'll be breaking down muscle so I'll need to get back on the protein ASAP. With regard to your parking ticket my dad wrote a heartfelt plea after I left his disabled parking pass the wrong way up and our car got ticketed and managed to get the fine cancelled.
StuntNun - sorry you and your DH are down with it. It is so horrid when everyone is ill.
When I let a ticket blow off the dashboard so it wasn't visible the council remitted the fine and sent me a nifty little pocket thing to put the ticket in.
lc def out the window as I ate an apple and drank some ribena. It stayed down. Hurrah.
stunt if you are tolerating 20 Mls well you can begin to increase the amount ( by very small increments ) dependant on yr thirst until your urine is clear . I hope you all get a bit of sleep tonight - think you need to stick poor DH in spare room or downstairs .... You need some recuperative sleep and can't be running around helping him ( harsh I know - but you are feeding a baby )
Thanks mrs Hugh jarse
I've got a mini packet of haribo star mix.
It remains unopened.
I've just been floored by the intensity of the cravings. Actually been quite easy not to have prosecco. I'm not normally a sweets or chocolate person, very strange to be desperate for them like this.
mpr Have you had any caffeine ? That gives me raging sugar cravings I've discovered . Let's Put the kettle on and have a nice cuppa up here on this wagon ( caff free!)
DH is out with work mates , networking
on the piss and I am watching Captain Phillips - am sure adrenaline from watching it should help me burn some fat !
Keep strong MPR - one minute at a time.
Day 2 back on it. Food wise great, but I have had three teas and one coffee all with milk which I don't usually have.
I have however NOT eaten biscuits, toast, brownies or any alcohol. Am sat with a camomile tea and looking forward to an early bed.
That's how I roll on a Friday night.
Aw I loved captain Philips, fab film! X
Thanks again MrsHugh I have managed to drink 600 ml of the oral rehydration wotsit over the course of the evening so my raging thirst has died down a bit. For a laugh I decided to log my day on MFP and it's 300 calories, all from carbs - 72g for the day.
Just made successful low carb chicken nuggets using flaxseed mixed with grated Parmesan (and generous salt and pepper) for the coating
Didn't tell dh I hadn't used breadcrumbs and just asked how the nuggets were: he said, "Very good" as did ds. Success.
I am rather dreading tonight as baby Cobbler fed on the hour, every hour last night he is poorly too I think
At least I am no longer dehydrated but drinking squash and feeling sick reminds me of having HG and it is freaking me out a bit.
aargh fuck sorry mrshugh - you can do the lebanese chicken at home, and have it with fresh herbs chopped up little on the side (basil/parsley/mint - whatever you fancy plus of course, baby spinach)
I get a baby chicken from the local halal butchery and get him to remove most of the bones, alternatively I just spatchcock/butterfly a small bird, and stick it on a tray/roasting dish (flat, skin side up) I blitz up butter/garlic/herbs/chilli flakes/salt/pepper/lemon juice and then rub it thickly across the chicken skin (slap it all on) into the oven on gas mark nine for about 45 minutes.
B - 3 streaky bacon/1 flat mush/2 scramb duck eggs
S - 6 raspberries and two dessert spoons clotted cream
L - Tinned salmon and mayo (only a few spoonfulls as busy and unhungry)
D - (small handful) Baby sprouts and Kale fried in butter and garlic/pork steaks fried in butter (2.5 )
S - awfully posh pork scratchings/pickled egg
feels like a lot but I have exercised more yesterday and today (this week actually - bloody half-term plus work)
off to catch up with rest of thread
at heir for the interview mangnificence!
DS (11) proudly woke me up this morning, carrying a tray with toast, jam and butter - this is the first time he has ever done anything like this! I hadn't had bread in SIX WEEKS. What would you have done?
Not sure if Im a carby twat or not.
Went out for a v.rare meal with DH last night, and we went to an Indian.
I had a poppadom, lamb meat and salad starter, and a chicken and cheese, almondy yoghurty curry, with spinach and garlic.
No idea of sugar content, but I didnt really know what I was doing
Suzy, I would have eaten a slice,those times are too precious to spoil! Just be v good the rest of the day and drink an extra litre of water for penance
Monkey there's no telling how much sugar was hidden in the sauce but if it was sweet then probably a bit. BIWI may wave her stick about the popadom. If we go to an Indian place I usually stick to dry foods such as the mixed tikka platter as then there isn't any sauce to worry about. Hope you enjoyed it because it sounds delicious and we all deserve a treat
Oh I know the poppadom was bad, but I figured better than wine and a naan
And I requested a jug of tap water and drank the whole lot (just over a litre I reckon) during the meal <saintly>
I guess as this is a WOE not a diet, we need to be able to relax sometimes or I cant imagine any of us could do this for life.
On the plus side, according to the scales this morning Im 155lb, so thats TWENTY POUNDS DOWN!!
Thanks Durham I did and I will
I agree Monkey, I've had several meals out and while I have tried to make good choices I haven't let it take over the evening. I think BIWI did say that as long as it was a planned meal and was eaten mindfully and you thoroughly enjoyed it then it's all good. Like you say this is a WOE not a diet and if we want to live with it long term we need and deserve to go off piste sometimes.
The only time I treat myself and pay first class the bleeding underground isn't working. I'm so pissed off. It is a beautiful morning in West Hampstead though. Unfortunately I'll be running for the train which means a) I can't buy a newspaper and b) they will be feeding me loads of carbtastic food, those flap jacks you get in cellophane and bacon sandwiches etc. it's a nightmare.
i used to live there lighthousekeeping. technically kilburn but locals used to call it WH
Aw light house that's a shame. Hope you find a low carb gem to eat!
Crabby, well done at two days back on wagon - and can you believe the two of us had a dry night? Amazing.
Monkey. 20lbs? That's awesome. Don't think a poppadom will derail that weight loss.
Mrs Hugh jarse, thanks again for the hand hold. In the end I shared packet with husband - so that equated to five sweets. Not the end of the world. Today I've no cravings at all.
Conversely to what you would expect, I think it was LACK of caffeine that caused cravings - thinking back, I only had one coffee with cream first thing yesterday morning whereas I would normally have at least half a litre spread out up until about 2pm.
Heir. Well done on your second interview - hope it goes well.
That's all I can remember from the thread - but still a million times better than my usual self absorbed posts
Bloody hell can this day get any worse? The train to up North was cancelled!!! So now I'm on a shoddy East Coast train in 1st class which is not as glamorous as I thought it would be. I've eaten a white bread beef sandwich and a muffin. I won't be weighing myself on Monday. I've done so well and now I'm going to put it all back on just through this journey and my mother wi think I've been lying.
This morning's discovery is how nice proper coffee from our machine with a splosh of double cream is - I am late to this party I know
It is a beautiful day here by the sea so going to go out for a walk - coming back via Lidl for eggs, celeriac and the yogurt of dreams.
Morning all! <<grabs lighthouse by the shoulders and shakes vigorously>> One beef sandwich and muffin is not the end of the world! See above posts re WOE not diet and if you're hungry again, get another beef sandwich and eat the middle, and chuck away the bread. Water water water and cheese if you can lay your hands upon it. If your mother thinks you've been lying she can FROTFOSM and yes, the day can get worse - things can always get worse, but you are going to focus on all the good stuff. You made the trains despite all the shizwang stacked against you and you're alive and life is good! <<climbs down from motivational podium and executes low carb hakka>>
I know and the man sat opposite me is easy on the eye
Awww, lighthouse - West Hampstead! My favourite part of London, miss it so much. I used to live on Ulysses road and then moved into a manky flat share in Gondar Gardens (have now completely outed myself probably) but I loved WH, it's such a fab place.
Anywaaaaay, this thread moves so fast, I can't keep up! Was out for dinner at a friend's last night and was a bit of a carby twat - rice, samosa and naan was consumed . Plus, of course, wine. And pudding. So, actually, I was a big old stupid carby twat. My defence is that she had made it all herself and was freaking out that it had all gone wrong and was going to be revolting, so not to eat it would have looked bad.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it, guv.
Today I will mostly be eating FAT.
Hope everyone has a fab weekend. Sorry I'm so useless on this thread, I feel as if I'm not really joining in properly.
Hello bootcampers I'm still going, 13lb down now, feeling pleased with that, looking forward to the magic 1 stone off.
Not really got the time to post or read the threads properly but skimming through its lovely to see all the support
Weekends are the hardest, am off shopping today but am going to London for a couple of days in the week, that's going to be tough
Hope you all have a good low carb weekend, am booking a holiday today so big incentive for me to keep going!!
TEA! I always feel the same - some of the others seem so good at name checking everybody and remembering all the details. I read three posts and then have forgotten the first one
Light house. You will be fine. As Trash can says (fine motivational speech and enjoyed the accompanying dance) this is a WOE not a diet! Climb back on the wagon, water, water, water. Good for the rest of today and tomorrow; weigh in on Monday.
Two weeks ago by the Wednesday I had put on almost FIVE pounds due to a carby work weekend away. Have lost it all again now plus four more pounds for good measure.
Enjoy first class
I'm so tense right now. I went to change trains and asked a group of Grown Ups in front of me if it was going to my tone and they said yes. Lying
bastards gits. I'm now im a town near Liverpool and I have to go all the way back!!!
oh no Lighthouse. What a pain
I just want to sleep I'm exhausted before I've even got there
StuntNun hope you've started to keep some ORT or other liquids down overnight and that baby is feeding ok.
Humph I get those flashbacks whenever I'm sick still - I can only imagine they are quite a bit worse when it's so recent.
Hugh how long has the current Mirena been in for? - sometimes the period control wears off before the 5 years (the contraceptive effects still stands however) - my first one was changed just before 3 years because I was bleeding past it and I had been so happy with no periods! I don't bleed currently at all - I think mostly I don't ovulate - and the effect on my sense of wellbeing is enormous.
I was out again in the evening last night which is huge for me - we went to the cinema which is more DH's thing than mine, but saw the Monument Men and it was really good. Also ate at Frankie and Benny's where I had the steak salad. I would call it the steak-with-garnish, tbh, it was a bit disappointing. I did badly with veg yesterday, but usually do well so hoping one day is not the end of the world. Had to have some yogurt when we got home. But, though a little joy-less, I did eat LC, DH enjoyed his burger and cheesecake, and next time maybe something like chicken and ribs, or order vegetables (if they aren't sweetcorn and carrots etc) as extra?
Have a friend of DH's coming tonight and will do wedges for them as well as beef ribs and roasted (allowed) veg. Pondering a LC pudding but I know they are a little controversial. I need to get moving really and swimming today too.
Oh no lighthouse it's all going wrong for you today... I hope you get where you are going soon and you stop feeling so tired and struggly.
LittleMiss, isn't it horrific? I don't even think I had it that badly. But there is such a world of difference between HG and morning sickness. I had MS with all my other pg and it was bad, but still.
Much better thanks LittleMiss I was definitely dehydrated but DS3 took a breastfeed this morning so I think the salty Ribena did the trick, it certainly stayed down which is the important thing. I had half a slice of toast and a tiny bit of Greek yoghurt for breakfast then tinned cream of chicken soup for lunch. I think it might take me a day or two to get back on track.
Oh Lighthouse, that's terrible! So sorry your journey has been such a PITA, do write and complain viciously to the various rail people.
Who was taking the Vit D supplements? Keep taking them, I eat a fair bit of oily fish, and take almost daily fish oil supplements, and have fair skin, and live in Australia and I was still deficient in vit D when I was tested back in 2011! So I was given 10,000 IU to take fortnightly to bring it back into line; and then while pg in 2012, retested and it had dropped again so went onto 1000 IU daily. I have since, off my own bat, upped this to 3000 IU daily, an amount that is recommended by the Vit D Council; but as I am still bf'ing DS2, I upped it again to 4000 IU daily. I haven't been retested yet but at that rate it's highly unlikely that I would be reaching any level of toxicity. And it's helping to keep the various bugs doing the rounds at bay! Whatever else I drop, I'm pretty sure I'll be taking the vit D daily now forever.
Heir - congrats on your near-job, hope you get it!
Today I avoided one bit of carby twatting by not going to soccer with the boys (so no hot chocolate) but then fell foul of a box of Cadbury's mini-blocks and had
3 1 or 2. Not bad apart from that:
Brunch: 3 egg omelette with courgette, mushrooms and cheese - courgettes and mushrooms fried in butter first.
Dinner: 2 lamb chops, more courgette&Mushroom fried in butter (I do love this combo, especially as I use garlic salt with it), carrots and broccoli, and swede and leek gratin, made with Boursin, cheddar and parmesan cheeses and double cream.
Pudding: cherries and blueberries and double cream. I make sure I buy the double cream that is already solid in the pot (can't hear it move when I shake it) so it's almost like fruity ice cream, just not as cold (nor as sweet!) I do use an awful lot of cream with my fruit...
Yay to losses, scales or size, and chin up to sliders. Keep on keeping on and never mind the small slips, move on from them and each day is a new one.
And thanks for just all being here - I'd never have stuck to this without BIWI and you all, it's just great having you all here to SMS at and share notes and mini-triumphs!
Argh! and I meant to say to the illing peoples - try ginger ale if you don't like lucozade
I know it's probably all in the mind because there really isn't much if any actual ginger in ginger ale (NOT ginger beer), but I always find that it helps more than any other fizz when ill. Ginger is good for the stomach so perhaps the flavouring is fooling my system, I don't know. Flattened with water though - can't drink it full-fizz when ill.
Hope you all get well soon, nothing worse than being ill and having to deal with a small baby at the same time! Mine was awake every hour last night too, no idea why, maybe planetary phasing or something
Great tip littlemissD DD3 is almost 4 , so mirena must be the same age .... I will go and have a chat with GP
who looks so ridiculously young !
tea and mpr why do you think 'shouting shit' was invented? People use the thread as they see fit, and I personally really enjoy your input. Even BIWI can only poke her head in now and again, and she invented bootcamp!
Thumbwitch I am ordering vitamin D online right now. I have some friends who really looked into vit d after their son was diagnosed with diabetes, and there were massive pointers to vit d deficiancy. That and a host of other problems - the dosage they now take is massive.
I am now eating so much bloody butter that it's pointless putting it in my butter dish! The dcs are pretty unaware of dp and me changing our way of eating (we were a meat and two veg bunch to start with anyway) and last night one of them (age 9) looked at dp and said "you've lost weight" Dp was quietly delighted. He had much less to loose than me, and is very muscly anyway
the sexy git but I could see a noticable difference in him myself. His weight isn't changing on the scales much, but I explained to him about whooshes (didn't say fairy though, in case he thought I'd lost it ) and feel he is due one.
B - Two duck eggs scrambled in obscene amounts of butter/flat mushroom in equally obscene amount/blob of mayo
S - Awfully posh pork scratchings (40gram bags are too small!) and a large handful of salted jumbo cashew nuts
L - Tinned tuna and salmon/avocado/chopped lil gem leaves/baby spinach/ celery mayo and couple of shavings of parmagiano
D - (plan) pork ribs. I want them to be sticky somehow... any suggestions folks?
Hope I haven't blown it with those nuts. They were frikkin gorgeous.
1 peppermint tea with coconut oil and two litres water so far, two to go.
Massive love to lurkers/shit shouters/superposters/misfits/conformists
Tea and suzy I think you both had unavoidable social-obligation carbs there! If it is unavoidable you might as well enjoy it.
Lighthouse I'm sorry you're having such a terrible journey! Don't stress about the carbs. (but definitely get back on the wagon when its all over). I loved Trash's soapbox post.
MPR that loss is good going!
I have a crustless spinach and feta bake in the oven (have become obsessed with spinach since vitamin/mineral research!)
What I love about Bootcamp is that each one seems to end up creating a new piece of vocabulary or phrase. From inner gobbler to carby twat to, from this one, shouting our shit!
Oh, and I met Crabby last night and I can tell you that she is as gorgeous in real life as she was in that photo that she posted.
B: Roast chicken drumstick and thigh with salt.
L: Chunk of cheese
D: Fatty mince fried in butter with broccoli, spinach, mushrooms, salt and chilli flakes.
5l of fizzy water w/cordial.
Bloody love this WOE
Hubby is baking in the kitchen and tells me he is making Welsh Cakes. The reason ' Just incase' '!! As in just I case a Welsh person turns up up expectantly and is feeling a bit peckish and in indeed of a warm fresh from the oven Welsh Cake?!!!
He is at work tomorrow doing overtime so I'm hoping that he has made them for his colleagues and will not be leaving them in the house with me.
My BIL and SIL turned up yesterday with a low carb cottage pie, especially for me They brought welsh cakes for everyone else. We conversed through a window so they didn't catch our germs.
I have eaten
1 scrambled egg
1 low carb sausage
lots of weak squash but I still feel dehydrated.
I have lost a massive 3 inches off my post baby waist since this illness began. Every cloud and all that...
thumbwitch interesting to read about your Vit D levels and the fact you love in Australia! I know I'll be taking supplements for the rest of my life. trashcan low levels of Vit D is believed to play a role in fibromyalgia and numerous other problems, I honestly think that none of us get enough vitamins and minerals now having read up on symptoms that have been found occurring due to deficiencies...
Live not love in Australia!!!!!!
Do you know BIWI I think it does
Calling my lawyer........
Just devoured trashy's flat chicken thingy ..... Yummy - cheers !
humph somehow missed you have had the lurgy too - hope you are ok or getting there soon
thumb - by coincidence have just ordered vit D supplements as a S&B thread said it was good for my ageing face !
Have just allowed my gin weirdo to pop out - but had quite a weak gin with slimline tonic and frozen line slices ...,.. Totally orgasmic !
Well that's Friday night AND Saturday night sans my beloved prosecco
I'm bored out of my box
I'd better get a big bloody whoosh visit come Monday weigh in
Will get the enormous woosh bugle ready _
Damn right Mrs!
You will be bugling (is that even a word??) your back out because I have been beyond good this week.
Expecting big and humongous loss.
One slip up of five haribo sweets in an entire week has got to be prize winning at this stage of the game.
No no no, I get a whoosh
TOTM here. Bloated again. Yuck.
Arf at cake baking = domestic violence . I once threw a bowl of cake mix at DH,does that count, children are both grown up now but still laugh about "the time Dad came home drunk on Xmas Eve and Mum threw the cake bowl and shouted at him for ducking!" Sounds shameful but has become one of those family stories they love to laugh about
I weigh on a Friday and again have stayed the same. Am waiting patiently for the trend to befriend me but I am at a sticking point weight (years ago I did SW, got to this weight, stuck, gave up then just got here before Xmas, went up, got down and stuck again) This weight feels like a challenge!
It's my birthday tomorrow so DH and I are going out for lunch with my Mum and DD. All bets are off!
Have been a carby twat and my skin has exploded through excess sugar!
Am back on LCing and No, I don't want to talk about it.
I am almost tempted not to weigh tomorrow .... ! I have STS for 3 weeks - and this week I have cut cheese / cut cream / sipped my 3 l water constantly instead of glugging / worn compression socks to try and move some retained water / followed trashy's menu (ish !)/ been to the gym FIVE times ....
I feel amazing
I feel skinny
I love my food
If the whoosh fairy doesn't come soon - I am
Going to hunt her down and be violent !
<low carb Hakka >
Have you tried ubercamp Pisci to get through a stall? I did it a couple of weeks ago and found my appetite reduced and I actually seemed to enjoy what I was eating more iyswim. I'm going to do it again from tomorrow as my DH is away for three days so I won't be lured in by his late night snacking
and drinking. I have half a pound to go to reach the weight I was at the end of the last Bootcamp (actually the day after it finished because the whoosh fairy only visits me on Monday nights, that must be her scheduled Northern Ireland run).
Morning all lovely folk.
Have stalled here, on the straight and narrow 100%, but I know it happens. Just a bit disheartening
Über camp you say? I might join you for the week. Where do I read up about that Stunt ?
There's a separate tab on the spreadsheet Pistey. I did my own version as I can't eat eggs or mayonnaise and I don't like avocado (I did try BIWI and with blue cheese it was okay but I'm afraid I wouldn't rave about it). I had kippers (Tesco boil in the bag ones take three minutes in the microwave) or bacon and mushrooms for breakfast. Lunches and dinners were a piece of meat (lamb, pork or beef) and the lowest carb vegetables I could lay my hands on. I did sneak in one cup of tea with milk a day but I'm pretty sure dairy doesn't stall me. Then a decaf BPC and lots of water. I logged the meals on MFP and I was still eating about 2000 calories a day but I was very satisfied between meals so no need for snacking, especially late night snacking which is my biggest downfall.
Thank you. Had a looky. So dairy free and very v simple.
Was thinking about trying cutting out dairy to see if that could get me over the stall. I think it can make a difference to me. Am in ketosis the whole time, just stuck.
Will give über camp a whirl
Morning everyone! How very typical of me to poke my nose around the door just as everyone else is leaving but I've just read through the ENTIRE thread and am preparing myself to post a lot more next week.
The past couple of weeks have been pretty horrendous in terms of stress levels but I'm pleased to say I'm still wibbling along the bootcamp path - although slightly grumpy at not having lost anything much. I am enjoying the food and will stick with it.
Really interesting reading through everyone's posts on addiction issues, Crabby I identified a lot with what you wrote. My father is also an alcoholic (although he's not genetically related to me so if anything I think the pattern to repeat is due to socialisation rather than biology) and it's still weird to me that when I left home to go to university
several millennia ago I was repulsed by the thought of excessive drinking, and yet here I am, whilst not an alcoholic (and as you say Crabby... my drinking is of the naice, middle-class variety) definitely NOT repulsed by it any longer. What I'm about to post might be considered enabling... but I have recently switched to drinking vanilla vodka with sparkling water rather than wine, and find it a much more measured experience. No waking at 3am with an evil thirst, and no hangover. Having toddler twins, I had got into the habit some time ago of thinking I needed wine after they'd gone to bed as some sort of prize for having coped, but stopped that a few months ago because the stress of the divorce meant that 'one glass' was turning into 'one bottle' and I recognised that it was impacting on my ability to cope with everything.
Something else I thought I'd share, for those who might be interested in changing habits for the better, is an App I came across recently and have had great success in using. It is called Lift and it's deceptively simple - you just kind of 'check in' every time you complete something that you want to turn into a new habit, and works on the simple assumption that actions become habits just by dint of repetition and as said below, in 're-educating' our neural pathways.
Am looking forward to weigh in tomorrow after a sneak peak on the scales today. All I need to do now is STICK WITH IT!
Can I just ask
again what happens at the end of week 10? I just want to carry on... does BC restart immediately??
helium - usually what happens at the end of week 10 is that we revert to just one, ongoing chat thread. It means that Willie and I don't do the week-by-week thing, and that anyone who is left (!) can continue chatting/shouting their shit.
Willie usually leaves the spreadsheet up there, for those that want to continue with it.
I don't know what will happen with the weight tracker though - I'll have to ask MNHQ about that.
The woosh fairy better come here tonight, half term and my only transgressions have been 2 small glasses (divided and drowned in 2 pints of soda water) --preBC it would've been 5+ bottles--and a fruit and cream pudding with a smidgin of chocolate ganache - I gave the rest to DH. I'm drinking best part of 3l of water a day, haven't so much as sniffed a and I'm a measly 1/4lb down this morning, ubercamp for me too
DH still has the leftovers of his manflu so I talked him out of the chinese banquet he wanted for his birthday last night and I'm going to make an adapted carrot cake for his DCs visit
more chance of seeing flying pigs I know DSS is home from uni because DD checks his facebook page she came home, of her own accord, because it was his birthday
Kettlecise beckons so need to get my arse into gear!
BIWI you are much too kind (and presumably very short sighted as I am very far from gorgeous)! I am pleased to report that BIWI is just as lovely, warm and witty (and just a little bit scary) as I'd imagined her to be from this thread.
Eva thanks for all that nutritional info - very interesting.
Steel so sorry if all my ramblings were triggering for you.
Stunt and Humph hope you're feeling better now.
Heir I used to be a spirits drinker (Irish whiskey mainly) in my twenties and don't drink them any more (apart from occasional G&Ts) because when I do I get
too pissed the most horrific hangovers. I think wine is safer for me. Vanilla vodka sounds very tempting though. I totally get what you're saying about how our drinking creeps up on us, particularly when it's naice middle class civilised drinking! That Lift app looks interesting. I use Any.do but I'm going to download this as well.
I've been rather off piste this weekend as have been visiting DMIL with her endless supply of carbtastic food.
DD is back in 8 days, which is brilliant as I've missed her very, very much. I'm panicking though because I haven't been the whirlwind of productivity that I'd hoped to be (surprise surprise ). I'll have to post a bit less on here and get on with some of the things I should've been doing instead.
Hey all. I hope you're all well!
I've been reading, but not had much time for thinking up anything wise to say. Just wanted to say don't apologise Crabby, it's been interesting, and I've actually had other issues triggering some shite at the moment, so hard to say what causes what.
We had lovely fancy steak last night, and even lovelier tuna steak the night before. Yum yum. Now to cook a late breakfast of bacon, eggs and tomatos.
I predict I'll STS again tomorrow.
mrshugh I'm so chuffed you enjoyed my chicken. I feel so excited for your weekly weigh in tomorrow (if you decide to do one)
crabby eight days!!! That's fantastic news. They always sneakily grow when they leave for a chunk of time.
Is anybody else wishing the weeks away? I caught myself doing just that several times lately. I don't think it's my best idea, but I feel like I need to stick to Bc for the best part of a year (I mean the strict version) as I have several stone to shift. I just want the time to disappear so that I'm further down the road than I am now. Then I get cross with myself because that's silly thinking. It took me a year to create this situation, so it's gonna take a year to reverse it.
I have to keep reminding myself that as a tall person, I don't look fat per say, but I'm so looking forwards to being a size ten to twelve ( which is perfectly achievable) again, and feeling good about my weight.
Eeh a bit rambly today . Anyway I'm in it for the long run. BIWI they must let us keep the weight tracker!!
Food today so far
B - bacon, egg, bf sausage, mushroom
One litre of water
Having a shout of shit. Doing ok but still seem to be eating too much dairy and too much processed meat. It's just so darn good. Lack of sleep again as DS up all night AGAIN. He's nearly four - when does this get easier?
Had 2 gin and sodas Sat night, but only alcohol all week. Off to DMs for tea later so hoping it's a roast so I can avoid the carbs. A glass of wine or two will be consumed though.
B: bacon x 2, poached eggs x2 with a sprinkle of cheddar, mushrooms fried in butter, BPC
L: olives stuffed with feta, coffee with cream while out
D: lovely fatty rib eye speak, sprouts and bacon fried in butter, mushrooms in cream and Brie sauce
Not enough water, only about 1.5l and my aforementioned gins.
B: bacon x 2, eggs scrambled in scary amount of butter, mushrooms fried in bacon fat and yet more butter
L: avocado and garlic prawns, olive oil
D: whatever I am served!
Going for 3l water, but it's so much harder at the weekend.
Have been rubbish at keeping up wig the tread his week and replying. Must try harder win week 7.
Course I am. Have to keep this lot under control. Herding cats is easier ...
Oooh, I just ate bacon and egg fried in butter. It went down very well.
Thanks for all the get well wishes chaps, they have certainly done the trick!
I am determined to not let a non low carb morsel pass my lips so I can capitalise on the fact I have clearly lost a fair bit of weight on this illness. I must have been hanging onto an awful lot of water, despite bootcamp, due to breastfeeding.
trashcan, I know EXACTLY what you mean about wishing the weeks away. I do find it helpful to try and clearly visualize where I want to be in the future
Paul McKenna's voice wafts though my mind saying "Imagine your future, thin self - then float into that image. Feel how you will move, stand and live your life when you have reached your goal weight... etc etc
trashcan - I too have a few stone to shift, am also tall so tend to think I can get away with being this weight - until I see myself in photos and do a double take..
Definitely need to be in it for the long haul...
photos are shit and should be banned. Along with changing shop mirrors that show your back view.
Or in my case, back-fat view...
Hi all - well I stayed the same last week and have gained 1lb this week - not terribly surprising considering there was quite a lot of booze across the 2 weeks and my first real cheats (quavers, mini magnums, homemade cookies <blush> I think I just kind of lost the motivation a bit. I'm still pleased with what I've lost so far and I'm fitting my clothes again so I think that's partly why - but I would like to lose 5 more pounds.
I haven't been on the boards much and think I'll be around a lot more this week to stay on track. Being at my Mum's for half term didn't help! Back home now and hoping to keep up the motivation levels - any help gratefully received!
Yy helium I go all posey for photos and then get a horrid fright when confronted with my reality. I joke that I have backwards anorexia. When I look in my mirror ( which I suspect is a skinny one) I see a different person to the real me!
humphrey glad I'm not alone! Although it completely goes against my 'living in the now' philosophy
nux lovely to see you! I have five stone to lose. I bloody wish I'd taken it in hand when it was five pounds!!!
Where are the pictures crabby I can't get your profile up. Is it cos I'm on a tablet?
Here to SMS, literally
Been glued to the bog all morning.
One way of losing weight I suppose but deffo not the way I would have chosen.
This is the whoosh fairy being vindictive I think.
She's saying to me "well you wanted a whoosh?"
Moral of the story, be careful what you wish for people.
Happy LCing everybody
Oh dear, MyPreciousRing.
Can't help thinking that your username might be relevant right now
Hope you're better soon
Never thought of that BIWI!
'Stinging' possibly a better description than precious though...
Right, I think I've lowered the tone of thread about as low as it can possibly go so I shall just slink back off towards the ensuite.
It's those 5 haribos taking revenge .... You are allergic to sugar
In all seriousness - hope you're ok mpr
I have just got back from the most exhausting thing . 'ZumbaStep' - absolutely hilarious , but I need more in the boob dept to shake
doing ok in the booty dept
I'm ok mrs huge jarse.
Don't feel at all ill. Just hoping I'm ok for work tomorrow.
Things seem to have settled down a wee bit so fingers crossed.
Make sure you do weigh in tomorrow. I'm sure you'll see a loss.
I know you were only joking but is it possible to have had a reaction to the Haribo? I hadn't had a single sweet since 12 January prior to those on Friday. And I've stayed away from chocolate since a tiny bit at the end of week 2.
Oops crazy phone ! I am not sure on the sugar reaction ..... Was only jesting , but it might well be I suppose . Dark choc works for me if I am constipated .
Sausage & egg for breakfast with mayo.
Need to drink water.......
MyPreciousRing - I had something similar not long ago. We'd been away to Northern France for a long weekend with some friends, I was driving, and in the car we had a pack of sweets - not Haribo I don't think, but no doubt equally sugary. I ate loads of them and had a very sudden and painful reaction to them. Given that I'd eaten the same food as everyone else when we were in the restaurant the sweets were the only thing I could think of that might have cause that. At the time I thought I was being a bit silly to blame the sweets, but now I'm wondering!
I had an odd experience today and I would like to share it here, I hope it won't be triggering for anyone. I met up with an old school friend that I haven't seen for 22 years (since we were 16). I had a really lovely time and it was great to catch up with him and meet his partner. But one unexpected thing was that I was glad I had lost weight lately (I was vair skinny in school). I felt that I would have been embarrassed if I was still as overweight as I was this time last year. I don't know why I should feel this way as I'm sure my friend couldn't care less about my weight. It makes me wonder whether I have unresolved issues with self-esteem. Anyway purely shouting my shit here, just not sure whether I'm reading too much into it.
Myprecious, hope you're um, more stable now.
Stuntnun - I think that's a fairly normal reaction for people who are conscious of how they look, and for those whose self-esteem isn't stellar.
One of the reasons I've decided to do this is so that I am at least the same size this Easter as I was when I went back to the UK last Easter, so people don't see how much fatter I had become. Like you, I'm sure they couldn't give a shiny shit - but I would be conscious of it and it would make me slightly less comfortable seeing people.
Had a minor slip with the Cadbury's mini blocks again today (they'll all be gone soon, DH and DS1 are getting through them!) but not as bad as yesterday; apart from that had no breakfast, cheese slice for lunch, mullet and veg with butter for dinner and not enough water. Not enough food all day, actually! So had fried haloumi with homemade tzatziki for supper. Yum!
oh and some parmesan crackers that I made with DS1 today.
StuntNun that's one of the reasons I avoid school reunions - I was thin and active, I'm now disabled and obese... there are other reasons but I can understand you feeling like that. I meet up with 3 close friends from school and they see me as I am but I do avoid more than that.
Am glad that you and Humphrey are feeling a bit better.
I feel really ill today - I've had this grumbling sinusitis for 3 weeks now, and probably quite overtired by trying to do a bit too much this week, and so I've been in my pyjamas all day and slept this morning instead of going to church, feel urgh. And I've gone and caved into carby rubbish. Which has NOT made me feel better and I need to confess to DH when he gets back which makes me feel like a naughty child. How stupid. My addictive past rears its ugly head sometimes. I'm tempted to text him so I don't have to tell him - I'm that cowardly.
Straight back on the wagon, roast chicken and roast cauliflower and spinach for tea. Not that it will cook itself
Anyone got any excitingly inspiring salad recipes that they can post?? I'm fed up with boring salad but can't think of any exciting recipes.....
Littlemiss is it worth seeing your GP again? sinus problems are horrible, I hope it goes soon..
Urgh to sinus problems - surely you should be taking antibiotics if you've had it for this long?
daisy - what salad have you been eating that's boring? I'm sure we can find some more exciting ones for you!
Helium good to hear from you. Is the horrible court stress behind you yet?
Crabby only 8 days to go! That's wonderful.
Glad to hear you are on the mend Humph.
Trash and Helium Please don't get despondent if you're thinking about settling into low-carbing for a few months ahead. I had a similar realisation about this time through the spring 2013 bootcamp. A little calculation about where I was then and what normal BMI was... "So... I'm going to be doing this til Christmas!"
Maybe you can pick a summer date, or a meaningful autumn date. I did find it motivating to picture a glamorous Christmas party where I'd be wearing a nice outfit though. [this happened ]
Then, having decided that, I think its helpful only to look at really nearby goals - the next half stone, or the next kg down. Then there's lots of small celebrations along the way.
As you can tell I didn't know what to do with myself come Christmas in fact, so have joined you all for the ride while I gradually work myself into the "how-to-maintain-and-not-put-it-all-back-on" headspace.
BIWI i end up eating some form of lettuce/mixed salad leaves along with tomatoes, mushrooms, cucumber, pepper etc and then mayo or a dressing of some sort... but it's pretty much the same one over and over and I'm getting bored!
Dh and I love hot salad daisy.
Panfry chicken, chorizo, mushrooms and brie.
Add to lambs lettuce and add oil and vinegar.
I slice up a red pepper and fry it in olive oil till it's soft and nicely charred, then deglaze the pan with a bit of red wine vinegar, and pour the lot over some iceberg lettuce, to which I add some finely chopped shallot and some grated Parmesan.
Robert Carrier recipe: roasted blanched almonds, cubed avocado, cucumber, tomatoes and Cheshire cheese with a dressing of olive oil, white wine vinegar, a bit of tomato purée, crushed garlic and a dash of Tabasco. Yummy.
All sound good! I think I've realised my problem with nice salads is that lunch meals to me should be frugal and very quick so adding extra to salads tends to mean ££ and I feel I should be living on soup made of limp veg etc.... (& I'm just as bored of soup) plus I want lunches to be quick and easy to make & clear up... Does everyone else find LC expensive? Good heathy food much it is costing more.
daisy - do you add some meat/fish whatever to that salad? I really don't think eating salad plus dressing would keep me going..! The easiest salad I throw together at the moment is just lettuce/cucumber/an avocado/tin of tuna, mixed up with loads of dressing. Or add some soft-boiled eggs to give it a nicoise taste, or alternatively grilled chicken/bacon/lettuce/parmesan with a caesar dressing. I have to have my salads substantial or they don't feel me up!
Initially I thought it was more expensive: then I added up the cost of all the Mars bars, creme eggs, Caramel bars, crunchies..... that I'm not buying any more. Or the biscuits and crisps and all the diet drinks. Then there's the fact that I can buy the cheap (ie non-steak) mince and other cheap cuts of meat like pork belly or rolled shoulder of pork or breast of lamb. Home made coleslaw is cheap and filling. Water is free
I then realised that I was eating better food, enjoying it more and overall it wasn't costing me any more
Please all stop talking about food!
I felt a lot better so attempted sone dinner - roast ham and cauliflower. Only managed the ham
Ended up back ahem chatting to my porcelain friend again...
So. Thinking may well be a bug rather than sugar back lash.
Although still not ruling that out.
Frightened to eat now and don't know what to do about work tomorrow.
What if I'm fine, have breakfast and then start up again??