Week 5 Low Carb Bootcamp - Come and Shout Your Shit!

(601 Posts)
BIWI Mon 10-Feb-14 07:37:10

Here's The Spreadsheet of Fabulousness

And The Weight Tracker

By now, if everyone has been following Bootcamp/Bootcamp Light rules properly <looks over top of glasses> then we should all be keto-adapted, and should be burning fat. Yippee!!

Hope everyone has a good week.


BIWI Mon 10-Feb-14 07:44:06

The lovely Tech team have asked if there are any other changes we would like to see to the Bootcamp 'area' on Mumsnet, so if you have any thoughts could you post them here?

The one thing I am going to ask them for is another graph, showing actual weight per week, rather than just the weekly loss, as I think it's more motivating to see a downward (hopefully!) trend.

Any other thoughts?

Woolfey Mon 10-Feb-14 07:44:19

Didn't check in over the weekend and looks like I missed loads! shock

After looking like I was going to sts again (I did a sneaky weigh on Friday) the whoosh fairy has been over the weekend and the scales are now back in the downwards direction, yay!

Thanks for all your support last week BIWI. I was finding it tough but I stuck with it and am very glad I did smile

PseudoBadger Mon 10-Feb-14 07:46:22

5.8lbs off this week! In total since official bootcamp that's 10lb down - but I started a couple of weeks before that and have so far lost 18lbs. Hooray!

BIWI Mon 10-Feb-14 07:50:39

Woolfey - keep on keeping on is the best advice, always! Good news.

Psuedo - that's brilliant. Well done.

DurhamDurham Mon 10-Feb-14 07:57:33

Good Morning fellow campers grin

Delighted to report a 2 lb loss, this is despite my slight off piste moment on Saturday evening when I snaffled some of my friend's pudding. I have been v good apart from that and have drank so much water that I'm somewhat relieved we're not on a meter!!

Good luck to everyone and continuing thanks to BIWI thanksthanks

ThatYoghurtWontPotItself Mon 10-Feb-14 08:03:06


hang on

SayraT Mon 10-Feb-14 08:03:58

Well done Chester and Woolfey

thumb growth hormones are illegal in the UK (and EU) but I have a feeling you are somewhere else? I have no idea if eating meat from animals/bird which have been fed hormones will have an effect on people.

I normally weigh in on Monday but accidentally drank a pint of water when I got up so don't want to weigh that as well grin

B: Coffee with cream
L: Tuna with little gem lettuce, cucumber and carrot
D: not sure yet

there we go

SayraT Mon 10-Feb-14 08:05:32

Oh meant to say, yes BIWI I agree with the actual weight graph. I want to see a graph that goes down not up!

Pseudo - that's fab! Well done!

I'm 2 down this week! Chuffed with that as I have been faffing about so much. It's a total loss of 7lbs since we started but I have had two weeks off really. So I am doing a proper Bootcamp week this week. NO messing about!

Planning on using my cross trainer too and walking. Would love to get back to running but need to lose more weight first.

StuntNun Mon 10-Feb-14 08:07:32

One pound off but I'm not convinced as my weight has been shooting all over the place. I think carb creep is a real problem for me.

MyPreciousRing Mon 10-Feb-14 08:07:45

BIWI you are an absolute star.
Thanks for everything and my thanks to the posters who have me a shout out after I was a bit miffed on Friday.
Today's the start of a new week and I'm back on my LC and dry wagon smile

It's so important that we all support each other. We all have our different foibles, approaches, views, shapes and sizes; let's be kind to each other and to ourselves.

Sorry for the soap box, just felt the need grin

Good luck today you lot, be careful out on those mean streets

Happy LCing everybody

scratchviolet Mon 10-Feb-14 08:13:30

2lb off this week - making 13 in total since soft launch week. Very pleased but still at least 1 stone to go so I'm sticking to full boot camp as far as possible. I had two restaurant meals this weekend and managed to stay on track but only by eating huge steaks and burgers without the bun. Definitely think I'm going to have to start paying more attention to portion size and I'm still not drinking enough water.

I did a little bit of moderate exercise this weekend and my legs ache this morning like I've run a marathon. Is that a low carb thing? If I up the exercise will my body get used to it or are some carbs necessary. (Think I might be trying to find an excuse to stay off exercise till end of boot camp!)

Well good luck everyone this week. (BIWI - I'd love to see a cumulative weight loss graph too)

arselikekylie Mon 10-Feb-14 08:14:58

Week 5! Wow, can't believe I'm still into this. Nearly a stone off so far and that's with me having several off piste moments in last fortnight.

Nice loose work skirt today smile

Pleaseandthankyou Mon 10-Feb-14 08:15:14

I'm back on bootcamp after taking 10 days off. I knew I wouldn't be able to control what I ate so took a planned break. I also had a few days of a once in a lifetime celebration. Two pounds on since last weigh in which was two weeks ago so not so bad. I had the opposite experience to BIWI with a mirror. Had a full length mirror in my hotel. Every time I looked at myself I thought I looked fantastic, and at my age it has been a long time since I felt like that. I was half way through the week when I realised that that it was a SKINNY mirror. It was adding inches in one direction and taking them off in another. No cheating this week and looking to you all for inspiration.

PseudoBadger Mon 10-Feb-14 08:16:19

I agree about the graphs Sayra I don't really understand them

sybilfaulty Mon 10-Feb-14 08:19:31

Weighing in for me tomorrow. Good luck to all weighing today

SteeleyeStan Mon 10-Feb-14 08:22:54

I like the graph idea BIWI, and thank you for the new thread.

I've STS, which is fine. My weight was nearly 2lb lower already, so a tiny bit disappointed. But I'm sure that's due to my own stupid peanut butter face, so no point in moaning. I also need to pay attention to drinking water again; feeling a bit dehydrated and my stomach's not happy either.

Brilliant losses Pseudo Durham and Cider.

Plan is:
B: Eggs and BPC.
L: Avocado and smoked mackrel.
D: Slow cooker pork with swede and shallots.

I wish I loved my slow cooker, but I really don't. Already boaking a bit at the idea of slow cooker pork. No matter how dry everything is when I shove them in, it always ends up full of liquid and tasting of boiled meat, with some unpleasent side taste of general slowcookeriness...

AthelstaneTheUnready Mon 10-Feb-14 08:31:39

Yay, Precious! Glad you're back.

Down 3lbs from last Monday, which is excellent, especially given I've been up and down dramatically (particularly the up) for the last two weeks or so. Trend/friend, finally got it grin

Am also staying on BC with the odd nut or two (food, not people) as I'm very happy with my food, and if I'm not missing things that are not particularly good for me, then there isn't any real reason other than emotional attachment to add them back in.

p.s. knee not as bad as I thought this morning - could it be this cleaner way of eating (less inflammation) also stops interfering with body repairs? A smash like that would usually have been inflamed for days and days...

AthelstaneTheUnready Mon 10-Feb-14 08:33:31

oh, and Thumb's in Australia I think, so perhaps they do inject their chickens? [too early for sentences such as that]

Seri77 Mon 10-Feb-14 08:33:37

Down 1.5lb since last weigh in, even though it's TOTM. I don't feel too bloated though and my remaining muffin top has gone really squishy. Hope that means its on its way out.

Please I was at a friends house yesterday and asked if her hall mirror was a skinny one as I looked slimmer than expected. She said it wasn't but I have my doubts. My reflection this morning in the patio windows didn't look as good.

Nothing to suggest about exercise as I'm not doing any at the moment. Hope to add that in towards the end of Bootcamp. I've got Fast Exercise to read.

captainmummy Mon 10-Feb-14 08:38:58

BIWI - how about asking for a 'big stick' emoticon? grin I
n my mind it looks like the club from the Flintstones...

(rather than a cane, which could be abused on other threads. Actually, maybe it should be Bootcamp only?) grin

ChesterDrawers Mon 10-Feb-14 08:39:45

C&P'd from the week 4 thread [grin[


Delighted to report a 4.2lb loss this week. Huge thanks and flowers to everyone for their support during my unceremonious wobble last week.

Tough day ahead due to no sleep cos of temperaturing DS. Poor thing is not well so day off for him. Just waiting to see if he can go to DGMs otherwise I'll have to take the day off too.

Don't have a plan food wise <dangerous>but will try to keep it low on dairy again.

ChesterDrawers Mon 10-Feb-14 08:44:22

C&P fail!

Should be grin and flowers

Too tired for this shizzle.

wakemeupnow Mon 10-Feb-14 08:44:27

I've plateaued for the last 3 weeks .... I guess I just got to eat less !

LittleMissDisorganized Mon 10-Feb-14 08:45:09

Morning all - after my slow loss the last 3 weeks it's picked back up again and I've lost just over 3lb - the explanation that BIWI gave to Pseudo really helped last week and has come true - I feel good, lighter than I have been for a while, things are a little easier, and those are the reasons really.

I'm away for a few days today... but will probably be back, feeling a bit unsure about whether I fit, and the answer is probably not, but I have so much confidence in this WOE and I am incredibly grateful for that.

GatoradeMeBitch Mon 10-Feb-14 08:46:41

4.4lb loss this week, no movement on the scales from Fri till this morning, but I'm still very pleased. I've lost exactly 10lbs in a month. That's my best diet result ever, I don't usually have so much willpower! Just 40-ish pounds to go! Thanks to BIW and everyone on here who posts to support everyone and share ideas smile

ElBombero Mon 10-Feb-14 08:47:07

No loss in 2 weeks. Really really gutted hmm up'd the water n butter this week and nothing...

Pleaseandthankyou Mon 10-Feb-14 08:53:03

There are some great losses this week for people who were wavering. Really pleased for you all. This does work but you need to see it for yourself. The weight loss is not linear. I plan on keeping on all year with a few planned breaks. I do feel as if I have come last in the class test this week though. Will hide in the corner and drink water

MyPreciousRing Mon 10-Feb-14 08:58:19

Little miss, don't go.
You do 'fit', we all do.
Keep on keeping on x

barleywood Mon 10-Feb-14 09:13:24

Little miss...what is this not fit you speak of. This is the most supportive, inclusive group of motivators.

We all fit.....even the lurkers smile

QueenofallIsee Mon 10-Feb-14 09:36:49

Am up by 1lb this week - quite gutted. Am on my period though and feel massively bloated because of that - I might be wrong but I really think that has impacted my loss. I also ate out twice due to birthdays last week so am trying not to let it get me down. Hey ho, will plough on

HeirToTheIronThrone Mon 10-Feb-14 09:44:56

I'm with Sayra about a graph that goes down please smile

I'm up about 1lb but was expecting that - I was pretty good on my lovely weekend away but did have a small cider, one piece of bread, a cocktail and a pudding with my dinner - and not enough water either. So, it could be much worse! Nothing in the way this week so I think the errant lb will go quickly.

Like someone else at the end of the other thread, I really wish I'd measured/done pictures - this morning, although I know I am about a stone heavier than I was then, I fit nicely into the skinny jeans I bought for my honeymoon last year. Which is bizarre - if they fit, where is the stone???

Well done to everyone - half way through!

teaandthorazine Mon 10-Feb-14 09:46:41

Gah. Am up, by 4lb! But...it is totm and I have been a bit (a lot) of a carby twat this weekend, including a bloody McDs chocolate milkshake blush. I suffered for it, though, in more ways than just weight - terrible indigestion and bloating afterwards. It was a good reminder of exactly why I'm doing this!

However...the good news is that even if I am not losing lbs I'm definitely losing inches. The first thing dp said when he got home was 'have you lost weight? I can feel your bones!' when he gave me a hug grin. Am going to go back to strict Bootcamp from today and see if those last few pounds will shift. I actually feel pretty good at around 10.5 stone so, as always, it's those pesky final few pounds that are so tricky...we shall see. I need to get back in the zone, though.

Water water water, fat fat fat.

Good luck all in week FIVE - wow!

Woolfey Mon 10-Feb-14 09:48:39

Forgot to post my meal plan:

B Yogurt, few blueberries (I know their BCL but needed using) cinnamon
L Leftover teryaki pork, lambs lettuce & a dressing
T Prawns & mayo
D Dunno as DH cooking. From the look of the fridge will prob be pork stroganoff & veg or steak & mashed swede & veg

Woolfey Mon 10-Feb-14 09:49:37

* they are, not their!

thenightsky Mon 10-Feb-14 09:56:16

Stayed the same this week. This is very good as I was sure I would have gained. I ate ice cream on Friday night. On Friday night I had a bottle of cava. On Sunday I visited a friend in hospital who begged me to take away all the chocolates she had been bought as she isn't allowed them. Luckily DS ate most of them, but I'll put my hand up to having 4 of the buggers sad

BIWI Mon 10-Feb-14 10:00:41

Eh, LittleMiss what do you mean about not fitting?! You've made some brilliant posts along the way, and you have been doing really well with the weight.

Of course you fit in, you daft plonker grin

GrumpyCrossPatch Mon 10-Feb-14 10:04:08

She's been, she's been! Hooray for the whoosh fairy and yay for BPC!

Congrats to all losers, commiserations to those who gained/STS.

Piscivorus Mon 10-Feb-14 10:14:40

LittleMiss Please don't go.
We all have our own issues to deal with so, to a point, none of us fit as our issues are all different but, at the same time, we all have an interest in eating this way to improve our health going forward which is what links us. I enjoy your posts and you are a valued and much appreciated poster on here.

I have got some lamb shoulder fillet, anyone know how to cook it? I've googled it and the advice for lamb shoulder is very different to that for lamb fillet so I don't know which to follow. It looks quite marbled so I suspect slow cooking might be better but not sure

Piscivorus Mon 10-Feb-14 10:15:37

BTW the whoosh fairy has avoided me this week but for good reason so the less said the better!

CrabbyWinterBottom Mon 10-Feb-14 10:18:25

Daisy and Athel thanks, and I have just the same problem with jeans fitting either my waist or my arse, but not both. If they fit over my bum and thighs then they gape at the waist and for them to fit my waist they won't get over my arse. M&S trousers fit me quite well, and in a final acceptance of encroaching middle age, I tried a pair of their 'marilyn' jeans on last year, made for hour glass shapes. They fitted ever so much better, but it did feel like a watershed moment wearing M&S jeans. I've turned into my mum. grin

Athel you could try sheep's cheese too? xDP is sensitive to cow's milk products (exacerbates his asthma) but ok with goats' and sheep's products.

Sybil thank you. I'm fairly near to my goal weight of 10st 5ins (my 'ideal' weight according to the wii) now. In my 20s I was around 9 and a half stone which I was very happy with, but I think I might look a bit saggy or drawn at that weight now. I guess I'll keep going until I feel completely happy with where I'm at. I need to tone up - that's really important too. I'm so lazy though. hmm

Lovecat thank you. The dress is a White Stuff one from the charity shop and I love it! It's really flattering.

Nell grin at your recipes cooked with a big dollop of resentment! grin Cooking for that many people is a lot, and I guess it means that you can't do batch cooking and have enough left over for a second night (which we do a lot). Are you cooking the same thing for everyone? Don't get disheartened about your slip last week - this is a long game and you can always haul yourself back onto the wagon and start again. Glad you like the recipe chart, I'm rather pleased with them!

Hurrah Notso! grin I'm glad the chicken won him over!

Sarah I love the idea of The Low Carb Smitten Kitchen! Very wise words about 8-10gate. I keep telling DD that comparing ourselves with others only brings trouble. It's very hard not to do though.

Love hope you're feeling less grouchy today. I quite often get the rage for no discernible reason, especially when I'm premenstrual but not always. It does pass mostly.

Athel ouch ouch ouch. sad Glad it's not too bad today.

Precious good to see you back and wise words there.

Steel what cut is it and how are you cooking it?

LittleMiss please don't go. I for one really admire your willingness to examine your own reactions and motivations and 'own' what you feel. I think you make some valuable contributions to the thread and you've certainly given me food for thought even if I did studiously ignore your comments about the signs of problem drinking. wink

Queenof yes you will be retaining water at TOTM. I never lose that week, or when I'm bloated and premenstrual either.

I must admit I'm a bit baffled by the graphs too. I think the intuitive thing is to want them to go down, not up.

Well I am dead chuffed today. I weighed on Thursday and then was hoping to have sts from then over the weekend as, although my food intake was fine bar a square of 85% choc each day (sucked like a toffee to make it last as long as possible), as usual it was my wine intake which let me down. hmm

But... Another 2lbs off, so 4lbs in total this week. The whoosh fairy has visited! grin I had 2 weeks of sts then a gain of a lb last week so this is a very welcome surprise. 10st 11lbs - I haven't been this weight since (briefly in) 2011. smile Thank you BIWI and all you lovely Bootcampers! flowers

CrabbyWinterBottom Mon 10-Feb-14 10:23:21

Oh and flowers of celebration to all the losers, and flowers of commiseration to those who didn't lose this week. Onwards and upwards.

Now, help me decide what to do today...
Sort out blog stuff and all the photos I took over the weekend.
Go to where they're filming Macbeth to walk the dog and try to get a better photo of Michael Fassbender.
Stopping sodding about with blog stuff and clean the house.

Lovecat Mon 10-Feb-14 10:37:17

Crabby thanks for the kind words. I have woken up in a much better mood smile However DH is going away to Paris for 2 nights today so how long the mood remains is another matter... wink

I vote for stalking Michael Fassbinder grin

Psuedo that's fantastic, congratulations!

LittleMiss don't go, what is there to fit into? (apart from new skinny jeans wink?)

Congratulations to all who've lost and encouraging pats on the backs to those who didn't. The trend is our friend!

Which is something I've been muttering to myself, as I have lost 0.4lb this week.

I'm mildly peeved, as it was the week after TOM and I've tried quite hard with water (although I will admit that it's not been always successful) so was cautiously hoping for a visit from the whoosh fairy. The only thing I can think of that's been off-piste was the kebab meat - does that contain hidden carbs? <sob>

Mind you, I didn't stall last week so perhaps I'm due one.

Right, due to forecast adverse weather I have had to rearrange DD's birthday party on Sunday from being out at Southend all day to being an afternoon house party - eight 9yo girls <wibble>. I need to go and do some serious decluttering...

BIWI Mon 10-Feb-14 10:47:16

ElBombero - it's very, very common for people to STS from weeks 3 up to 5 - all part of the pattern. Stick with it and you will be fine.

(You are sticking with it, aren't you? I can't remember if you started the 'referring' thing?)

MrsPnut Mon 10-Feb-14 11:08:39

Morning, congrats to all the losers and a "there there" to the people finding it tough.

I STS this week, which was a good result as I came completely off piste at the weekend and had been on the edges during the week too.

I have started again this morning by reminding myself of the rules and vowing to put a bit more effort in. I've had nearly 2l of water already but I am hungry.

Food for today -

B - scrambled eggs with double cream
L - Thai chicken soup (not great but had nothing prepared because of being away all weekend) and greek yoghurt
D - not sure yet, have a shopping delivery coming when i get home from work.

Woolfey Mon 10-Feb-14 11:16:55

Right all caught up, phew! Not enough time after reading all that to do a Crabbyesque superpost I'm afraid.

thanks if things are tough, smile if things are going your way and a big thanks to all for all your support on this thread.

LittleMiss Don't go! I don't 'fit' here either, I hate gin, hate BPC, hate celeriac, don't have a slow cooker and love pork scratchings grin But I am still here feeling the support from the lovely people on this thread and it's making a huge difference.

StuntNun Mon 10-Feb-14 11:18:18

Pisci I would do lamb shoulder in the slow cooker (falls apart after 10 hours on low) or in a very low oven if you don't have a slow cooker... or 10 hours.

Ambassadoryouarespoilingme Mon 10-Feb-14 11:19:36

Morning all
Am 2lbs down which is 8lbs in total since 13 Jan - not spectacular but not too shabby either. I'm consoling myself that if its not too fast then it might stay off.
To all of you who have lost - well done.
To all of you who haven't lost this week - please stick with it for a bit longer, its a much healthier way of eating regardless of the weight benefits. Better for your teeth, more vegetables that a traditional carb-laden meal, without mentioning all the issues around our sugar-laden food options. And whatever your weights / shapes / body issues, I'm sure 99% of us feel emotionally happier when we are in control and feeling on top of our eating, than when we just say 'sod it' and eat whatever we want.
That's not meant to be a lecture, am just writing down what I say to myself when I think that I'm destined to be a chubby old mess while my friends all look slim, glam and healthy.
Crabby - definitely yes to Michael F and no to cleaning the house.

EwanHoozami Mon 10-Feb-14 11:31:29

Morning folks

Congratulations all for keeping on keeping on, nearly half-way!

B- Lidl yog
L- Avocado and ham salad
D - courgette and cauliflower korma

humanordancer Mon 10-Feb-14 11:37:36

Morning all! Pound off for me, definitely feeling leaner grin Less wine this week - I know it's the answer.

Crabby another vote for Macbeth!

Littlemiss another one here baffled at the not fitting in business - we're all just trying to keep on, keeping on. Sometimes I post, sometimes I don't, but I do know everyone is here, and that makes all the difference.

Now, off to find something delicious to make with this steak mince!

MrsHughJarse Mon 10-Feb-14 11:53:03

sybil agreed - see you on the scales on one toe in the morning !

chester a triumph ! Its that chicken - sod weight watchers grin

Well done to cider ,grumpy*,*kylie ,gatorade , Lmd( you do fit - stop being silly!) durham,woolfey

and pseudo - as my DD2 would say " amazeballs" and athelstane( hope knee improves quickly) and anyone I have missed out thanks and also thanks to those that are disappointed.

crabby yes yes yes to a low carb cookbook with the timings - that was fabulous - where have you been all my life grin Start it today - publish ... I am excited ! Stop faffing about with Fassbender - we need this book grin

So much chatting and SS'ing this bright monday morning. Love to all !

Lighthousekeeping Mon 10-Feb-14 12:21:58

I've put 2lb on this week. I need to up the water. I have two massive courgettes that need eating today. I'm just wondering what "pasta" sauce to use.

Thumbwitch Mon 10-Feb-14 12:42:37

Yeah, answered on the old thread - no hormones allowed in Australian chickens either since the 1960s, and yet ~80% of the population here believe that they are used, so I don't feel quite so bad about my misapprehension!

CointreauVersial Mon 10-Feb-14 12:48:21

Is it Monday already?? Forgot to weigh myself....

ChesterDrawers Mon 10-Feb-14 12:52:12

Beyond tired here today. I suppose no sleep will do that to you. Just went out for a brisk walk to M&S and bought a pack of crispy bacon strips - all gone now grin

CBA to eat the salmon and salad I got for lunch. Might just have another coffee and see if that will keep me going.

Desperate for bed, but DS still really poorly so not sure I am going to get much rest tonight either.

Well done to all the losers today and flowers to those who are struggling. LittleMiss, sorry it sounds like you've been upset by something. I hope you don't go, you were great last week when I was being daft.

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 10-Feb-14 12:54:27

Can anyone link the recipe thread?

Can't find it anywhere sad

My aim for this new thread is to keep up. Not going well so far!

keeponkeepinon Mon 10-Feb-14 12:55:13

Just checking in, been hectic so I'm around 4 days behind on the chat.

Had a total carby t of a weekend, two and a half weeks to a wedding now so am completely back on the wagon, lists written, meals planned, the lot!

Weight floating at the same spot (and no surprise there) but I did measure and was astounded to find that I have lost an inch off each of my vital statistics! Blummin marvellous that!
Ok, I need to just set aside half a day so I can catch up with you lot!

keeponkeepinon Mon 10-Feb-14 12:57:41

Oh, by the way, Crabby can I just say - I would eat that cauliflower cheese recipe every day its so good!!
It's reminds me of Jamies Courgette Carbonara but low carb friendly! Its the thyme that just rounds it off so well.
Keep up the good work!!! thanks

Well done to the losers!

1lb off this week, but under 12stone for the first time in months so I'm pleased.

I am eating the same meals repeatedly though - fried eggs for breakfast, feta or egg salad for lunch, cauliflower and leek gratin/ omlette / quorn and veg for dinner. Total yoghurt, olives or cheese for snacks.

It's getting boring. Any suggestions for veggie low carb meals that can be tweaked to work for the rest of my family, including DS who is allergic to dairy?

BIWI Mon 10-Feb-14 13:05:28

Pistey Recipe thread

Why not add it to 'threads I'm watching'? That's how I manage to keep track of it!

Lighthousekeeping Mon 10-Feb-14 13:09:30

Is there a way to search the recipe thread? I'm looking for a courgetti sauce.

I must admit I have the moussaka twice a month and it lasts me for three days. It's my favourite recipe of them all.

Ilisten2thesoundofdrums Mon 10-Feb-14 13:12:29

Well done to everyone who has lost again, and congrats to those sticking with it.
I have lost 1lb this week which makes a grand total of 5lb so far. I'd like it to be more but I guess its slow and sustainable. I must admist that a pair of work trousers feel a bit slacker this morning - so even if the scales aren't moving fast at least I can tell that something is happeningsmile
Just tucked into my lunch of salmon and salad. The avacado tasted particularly good today.
Steak that I bought last week and didn't get around to eating for dinner tonight. I need to work out what to have with it now.

lighthousekeeping do you have it all on one page? i do, and then i just do ctrl+f and type a search word

Thumbwitch Mon 10-Feb-14 13:37:49

I'm down another 2lb this week, despite the cherries and occasional lapses, so am pretty pleased with that. Next week I plan to be below 12st - so will work extra hard to make sure of it! only 2lb to go (in the evenings, I'm already on exactly 12st in the mornings!)

Can anyone join here? I know I'm late to the party but I've been kind of low carbing since the beginning of January. I've lost about 7lbs and I know I can lose more if I plan my meals. It's hard to know what to eat sometimes.

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 10-Feb-14 13:40:50

Ah bon idée la BIWI, have done that very thing.

Corned beef hash here we come smile

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 10-Feb-14 13:46:11

Nelly - wee tartan grannies?!

Knots and I are RUBBISH at Pinterest because we keep forgetting to add anything. But Mumsnet wanted to set up Pinterest for Woolly Hugs shock so we thought we'd crack on and do it ourselves.

But we Must try Harder grin

SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice Mon 10-Feb-14 13:48:17

I'm posting this with a very figety 3yo DS on my knee who has just had a 30min tantrum about having no pudding at lunch so it's going to be short!

1lb off this week. Very happy. Aim for the current week: try BPC with the aim of eating less mascarpone!

Well done everyone and keep on keepin on.

Ps first spin class tonight, dreading it!

ChesterDrawers Mon 10-Feb-14 13:54:21

Anyone got any good ideas for a LC valentines menu? We've had quite a bit of steak so feeling a bit meh about that at the minute but all other recommendations welcome.

humanordancer Mon 10-Feb-14 13:54:49

Brunch: Chili sardines (Waitrose own, tinned) with aioli, buttery cabbage and courgettes, and a square (10g) of lidl 74% Bellarom chocolate - savoured.

Water, lots. Coffee, some.

Dinner: Chili with avocado.

Going for a cheese free day!

bettybigballs Mon 10-Feb-14 13:57:09

Just popping in for a quickie and will post properly tonight. Huge celebratory teas / coffees / BPC / fizzy water / G&Ts to all those have lost.

I've STS which i'm hugely fucked off about. 3 sodding lbs in 4 weeks. Have been spot on this week too. Was going to commiserate with a sandwich but then read your post Ambassador. Instead I've topped up my water bottle and am vowing to totally knock dairy on the head.

laters losers smile

sueh95 Mon 10-Feb-14 14:00:30

I'm doing something wrong. 1lb up. Its ubercamp for me this week hmm

EvaTheOptimist Mon 10-Feb-14 14:06:36

BIWI sorry sorry sorry. (I wasn't online when you drew your line!). I owe you massively big-time for transforming my life, and I don't even know you in RL! I owe my current happiness to your fantastic WOE and your ability to draw together this community of bootcampers for support. THANK YOU; and good luck to you in shaking off the Christmas excess.

LittleMiss we will be waiting to hear an update from you after your trip.

I had a long train journey yesterday and felt so good as I opened my packed salad when everyone else had British Rail sandwiches and flapjacks. My salad was GORGEOUS full of olives, coleslaw, feta, avocado, etc etc. It looked so healthy compared to the sandwiches!

EvaTheOptimist Mon 10-Feb-14 14:07:17

PS another 1lb down YAY!

theQuibbler Mon 10-Feb-14 14:12:50

2lbs which is in the right direction. Been having a wobble about how much I still have to go and feeling overwhelmed and hopeless. But it's pointless to go there - just need to break it all down into smaller targets. No need to focus on the big picture because, for me, it's just too much.

TheQuibbler - I know what you mean! I lost three stone in six months on weight watchers two years ago and put 2 back on so I'm re-losing that which is doubly frustrating! I have 5 stone to lose. I'm concentrating on getting under half stone and then stone markers.

siiiiiiiiigh Mon 10-Feb-14 14:24:52

I've STS.

Must admit, I'm gutted.

I know about the plateauing, I know about the whoosh fairy, I'm prepared to admit to hoovering up pints of cream and greek yogurt over blueberries and strawberries every day, and a couple of vodka and tonics too...BUT, I've been swimming half a mile x3 week, and am drinking 4l of water.

Usually, at this point, I'd give up. "stuff it, I just can't lose weight"

So, I measured myself, and am down several inches all over.

Trying to be content with that, but, I can feel my inner self-defeater brewing...

No blueberries, less dairy, no vodka and tonic. More swimming, more water? More than 4l? I'm spending all day on the pan...

GatoradeMeBitch Mon 10-Feb-14 14:28:08

Welcome microchips! There is a very good recipe thread on this board, have you seen it? It's very long though! I love the Chester's chicken - beautiful, and crunchy kale.

SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice Mon 10-Feb-14 14:30:02

chester do you like seafood? You could do scallops and bacon and cauliflower purée as a starter. Pot au chocolate for pud. Struggling for mains ideas, someone else help! grin

GatoradeMeBitch Mon 10-Feb-14 14:32:22

Is it ok if I change my week one 1lb gain on the spreadsheet to a zero? I don't want to cheat, but I was only half-in that first week, and that minus one messes up my losses. I thought I'd lost 10lb but it's actually 11.

GatoradeMeBitch Mon 10-Feb-14 14:36:42

Oh no, I got it the wrong way round! I think it's a 9lb loss, not 10. angry

StuntNun Mon 10-Feb-14 14:45:15

I would love to give ubercamp a try as I'm not seeing much weight loss this bootcamp, two pounds down but my daily fluctuations are more than that. Unfortunately too many of the recipes on it require eggs or mayonnaise. hmm I may have to devise my own ubercamp meal plan.

HumphreyCobbler Mon 10-Feb-14 14:47:07

Hello everyone
so interesting to read everyone's weighing experiences that I am nearly tempted to start weighing but I had better resist the temptation as I know it can be very counter productive for me.

siiiigh - several inches down all over is brilliant! Don't be disheartened

captainmummy Mon 10-Feb-14 14:58:28

Siiiigh - inches off is what peiople notice! they don't know what you weigh, or if you've lost 1lb or whatever, but they will notice if you ave lost 2 inches off your waist, or lost off your face etc.

Don't get too hung up on the scales.

Well done to all losers

GatoradeMeBitch No I haven't, I'll go check it out and hopefully get some ideas.

How do I get added to the spreadsheet?

Lovecat Mon 10-Feb-14 15:20:47

Chester, I have an amazing recipe for duck in red wine sauce from the original Atkins 'Quick and Easy' cookbook - it is gorgeous with green beans on a bed of swede mash. Let me see if I can find it...smile

Siiiiigh - just lose the berries in yoghurt and cream. That might help. I love it too but only have it on Saturdays mornings as my treat breakfast.

GatoradeMeBitch Mon 10-Feb-14 16:12:23

Actually, it's not an 11 or 9 pound loss. It's 10. I'll put the maths dunce hat on and sit in the corner...

microchips I think BIW does the spreadsheet, I'm sure she'll add you when she sees you've joined us.

Piscivorus Mon 10-Feb-14 16:40:16

Does anybody think this is a difficult time of year to lose weight?
I have done this for a while now, this is my 5th bootcamp and have noticed my Oct-Xmas ones are impressive, summer one so-so but Jan-Mar last year was hard going (but at least I didn't put on!) and although I'm losing this time it is slow.

On a positive note I have made a variation on Mary Berry's Fragrant Lamb Korma with my lamb shoulder fillet which looks and smells very good indeed. I browned the meat then took it out and browned onions and peppers in the same fat. Made a paste from 60g ground almonds, 2 tblsp curry powder, 2tblsp garam masala, ginger, garlic and chopped green chilli with 6tblsp water and added that to the onions till fragrant. returned lamb to the pan and added 300ml greek yoghurt. Now I know there will be some carbs in that from the veg, almonds and yoghurt but it looks to make about 6-8 healthy servings (I used 1kg lamb) so not too bad for a really rich and creamy dish.

CrabbyWinterBottom Mon 10-Feb-14 16:58:37

Godalmighty that berry crumble is like fruity crack cocaine. I can't stop eating it! confused

Ambassadoryouarespoilingme Mon 10-Feb-14 17:07:56

Fruity crack cocaine - that has to be catchphrase of the day!

Lovecat Mon 10-Feb-14 17:21:33

Found the recipe - it's 6g carbs per serving in total (but it's sooo worth it)

Serves 2

2 boneless duck breasts
2 tablespoon of butter
2 large shallots, finely chopped
1/2 cup dry red wine
1 tablespoon balsamic vinegar
1 tablespoon soy sauce
1 tablespoon worcestershire sauce
1 tsp liquid beef bouillon
1/2 cup of double cream

Prick the duck breasts with a fork, then fry upside down in a dry frying pan (you seriously will not need any additional cooking fat!) for 5-6 mins until the skin has crisped up. By now your pan will be swimming in duck fat! Flip the duck over and fry for 3-4 mins, depending on how pink you like your duck. I like it quite pink and tender, you may prefer it well done, if so cook it for longer.

Remove duck from pan and keep warm.

<at this stage I like to fry my green beans in the duck fat and then keep them warm with the duck>

Add the butter to the pan then add shallots and cook until barely golden (about 1 min). Pour in the wine, balsamic vinegar,soy sauce,worcester sauce and bouillon and bring to the boil. Turn the heat down low and simmer for 5 mins, then add the cream and heat through without boiling if at all possible. Slice the duck into thin slices and pour the sauce over. Serve asap.

LUSH grin

BIWI Mon 10-Feb-14 17:36:54

microchips - you're on the spreadsheet! the lovely Willie will re-alphabetise it at some point. Go to the weight tracker to enter your individual weight (that's private - you can choose to only use that if you want to)

siiiiiiiiigh Mon 10-Feb-14 17:48:51

you are all quite correct, folk are commenting on me changing shape.

This feels a bit like starting bootcamp - eating fat is quite a leap of faith for a repeated dieter (who's 4 stones heavier than when she started trying to lose weight 20 years ago...) in that I need to get my head round "inches not pounds" and "trend is your friend"

It's all good advice, and I know that you are right - but, <wibble>

Am not buying berries and will eat less cream. <sigh>

ChesterDrawers Mon 10-Feb-14 18:04:34

Mmmmm, that duck sounds amazing, well worth the 6g!

Menu for Friday then:
Starter: scallops, bacon and cauli purée
Main: Duck a la Lovecat
Dessert: choc pot - pretty sure there is one in the harcombe book. Bit of a cheat but not my worst discretion since the start of BC

We bought a bottle of prosecco yesterday as a treat so will have that too. Proper exciting smile

Disclaimer: I know valentines day is a load of tosh, but my DH works away lots and as it's on a Friday this year I thought it would be a good excuse for a nice meal.

scratchviolet Mon 10-Feb-14 18:05:20

Aargh - kids and I have just tucked into a pile of yummy BBQ ribs made by a friend. It's just dawned on me that the sauce will have been full of sugar. Oh well- at least it wasn't accompanied by a plate of chips.

ChesterDrawers Mon 10-Feb-14 18:07:44

Sorry, meant to say thanks Sarah and Lovecat for your ideas blush

Notsoskinnyminny Mon 10-Feb-14 18:16:00

Well done ladies, some fabulous losses. Commiserations to those who STS or put on - I put on 3/4lb but lost another inch but I'm not too disheartened especially as I had a 2lb followed by a 5lb gain after my morning water 2 days running last week - I eat breakfast when I get to work so not sure how 2 glasses of water and a rooibos tea followed by a poo the reason for reweighing can do that. I'm loving the food but need to think about my portion sizes and maybe take a bit more for lunch and have a smaller evening meal. I've upped the water since Friday and fat since I discovered BPCs so can the losers please send the woosh fairy on her way.

My fingers have finally gone down but my boobs are massive and they were already huge. I feel like I've missed a feed and if I knock them they throb. I'm wondering if it could be the HRT I started at xmas.

Taxi duty beckons, DDs coming home from uni for a couple of nights so DH will have to suffer trashy, girly telly as he's outnumbered grin

HELLO EVERYBODY I SURVIVED. Am home and delighted. Off to catch up with thread.

SteeleyeStan Mon 10-Feb-14 19:24:07

Gary Taubes in NY Times: Why Nutrition Is So Confusing smile

Well done everyone who’s lost; glad to see the whoosh fairy’s been doing rounds! It sounds like a lot of us who haven’t lost also know why, or are losing inches. grin

DH has now lost c. 10lb on this BC though it’s been slower on him since BCL. He’s had to tighten his belt, so he’s chuffed.

LittleMiss echoing what others say: of course you “fit” as well as anyone else, and I hope you’ll be back.

Crabby it’s a boneless leg of pork, but we won’t be having it tonight, because I completely forgot to put it in the bloody cooker! Luckily I also forgot to eat my mackerel for lunch (had yoghurt instead), so that’s what we’re having instead with some veggies. hmm

Lovecat Good luck with the party planning. thanks

Pisci I’m amazed at anyone finding pre-Christmas an easy time to lose weight compared to now. I always find it a struggle to have any motivation in the autumn and early winter. Then again I wasn’t bootcamping then – maybe that’s what’s been missing. smile

I’ve overdone my decluttering efforts today, resulting in sore back, head and a bit of an asthma attack, so I’m on now feeling floaty on painkillers and inhaler. I think I’ll treat myself to a hot chocolate made with water, double cream, cocoa and vanilla. I know it’s not necessarily the thing to help me kickstart this week’s loss, but it’s a lot better than the unmentionable things I’m craving.

NotTwit Mon 10-Feb-14 19:31:06

Have stayed the same.
Period bloat has not gone after after what 2 or 3 weeks. Inches haven't been lost since the first week.
What if I gain more in a week or two due to pmt?
I haven't cheated at all, I drink my water. I have and am being so careful, yet here I am.
Fucking whoosh fairy can fuck off. I hate her as much as she hates me.

Aaah that's better, I felt like I was missing a limb over the weekend. I need this thread so fucking badly. It's like a rock I'm limpeted on to. I found the weekend hard going. The journey was fine - we ate all the food I made and it was lovely. We were responsible for cooking the first evening food and then supposedly the soup I'd made was for the lunches over the weekend. To my dismay, cheese and crackers came out instead!! Fortunately I'd brought plenty of cold meats and crab and bits, but it was fucking torture. Then followed by chocolate and nuts. The weather was appalling and we were trapped inside in very close quarters.
I just felt so bloody miserable. I kept schtum cos I didn't want to either admit it was torture to myself or anyone else in case I spoiled things for them but the effort was huge. I did eat a bit of stilton though blush but I could have murdered a cuppa and slabs of chocolate, or an irish coffee or crisps.

Christ. Phew. By the second day I was back to feeling grossed out by all the food that I've chosen not to eat. Thank fuck. I won't be arranging to do anything like that for a long time. And the people I was with (friends of dps) are very sweet, but in fact grossly unhealthy self-confessed overweight alcoholics. And it kind of shows in their bodies and their moods.

I am so glad to be home. Call me an obsessed control freak if you like. I don't mind a bit!

So - back to business

Todays food

B - Bacon, eggs, half a slice of black pudding blush a chiplolata hmm

L - mackerel, home made coleslaw, crab meat and mayo, proscuittio

S - mr porky's

D - not decided yet. Probs tuna and wilted spinach....

Water 3l plus a peppermint tea. need to have another litre, but been tricksy with the six hour bastard drive home.

Can I just say thanks again to BIWI and to Willi I'm so thankfull! Also I love that SMS has been adopted for the thread title!!! grin

mpr so glad you're back - I felt shocking about my no cheating rant... it was intended to be lighthearted blush

el bombero how rubbish you're feeling so gutted. I know your pain

littlemiss I can't have you leaving! Nooo nononononono. You definitely fit! We all do, don't we? Even the lurkers who are silently lurking... Yes I can see you all grin

crabby how I missed you >climbs into crabby's lap and stares up< there is nothing wrong with having some darts added to the waistline of gapey jeans by the way. Sadly it is my fucking legs that let me down in the trouser dept. So, bum fits, waist fits - walking however is out due to tree trunk itis of the lower limbs. Gaaaaah!

pisco I think it is harder to lose at this point, but no idea why. If we all shipped off to the arctic for a month we'd lose everything we wanted and then some, so I can't believe it's the weather.... [stumped emoticon]

And to who ever called me trashy I'm down with that!!! grin

Right. Off to wash the trash kids hairs. They have returned from their fathers with smelly heads. Bleaurgh. Back soon losers x

Oh fuck. Help. Have had a SHIT day with poor dd, so have opened a bottle of red. Ive almost finished it blush
Am I going to put my whole 16lb back on??/

Im pissed and I want CHOCOLATE!

Lovecat Mon 10-Feb-14 20:09:14

Chester, hope you like it smile

Crabby, my (slim) friend has a size 8 waist and size 12 hips and has the same problem with jeans - she gets them altered like Trashy suggests.

Trashy wink well done on resisting temptation, sounds like a tough weekend.

Steeleye hope the back feels better soon and the hot choc does the trick (sounds gorgeous). I crashed and burned with my own decluttering efforts today, spent far too much time online arguing with twits who don't read emails properly (you wouldn't believe access to a church hall could turn into a mafia turf war, but hey ho...).

I made those pecan things in butter today. Thank God I only had a tiny packet of pecans because I could have happily wolfed several helpings of them - will avoid the nuts, I think, I can't trust myself...

Have had loads of water and cooked up a spag bol which DD pronounced 'gorgeous', so that was nice to hear. I am currently avoiding her while she eats an Aero Mint mousse (my faves).

B - yog with cream and 2 strawberries
L - pecans of doom, piece of cheese
D - bolognese with leeks, courgettini and broccoli

Is it me or is this monumentally cheeky? Some kids whose parents said they were booked up doing other stuff when it was an outdoor activity have now decided that they want to come to the cinema and our house... I'm afraid I said no, that when they turned down the first invite I asked other kids to get the minimum numbers (this is not actually true but I'm not now having 10+ kids rampaging around the house...). I've already bought the party bags, ffs. I don't think I'd have the front to do that, to give some elaborate excuse and then when it changes to something you fancy, say 'oh, we can come after all?'

Piscivorus Mon 10-Feb-14 20:26:33

You'll be fine NotTwit. I feel like that frequently but the trend is my friend and it will be yours too smile

MyPreciousRing Mon 10-Feb-14 20:31:23

Trash can, don't be silly! I know that you were being light hearted.
I've also had a trying weekend cramped up in a remote location surrounded by unsuitable food choices.
As glad to be home as you are by the sounds of things!
Anyway I'm back on track now so onwards and downwards

SayraT Mon 10-Feb-14 20:38:15

Just coming on to SMS grin

Back from belly dancing, shattered shock <-- yawn made a yummy dinner. Chicken with chopped shallots, mushrooms and green beans with garlic soft cheese from Lidl (is it Crefee or something?).

I also noticed a little non-scale related good thing, my watch is loose grin

SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice Mon 10-Feb-14 21:01:38

Lovecat yes it is cheeky and well done for telling them no! And what are these pecans of doom, I've missed those!

Chester no problems, hope it tastes good or I will feel to blame wink

Trashy I can understand being glad to be home. I have some friends who literally spend all weekend in the pub when we go to stay; I get cabin fever, start twitching and feel very dull and boring, but I just cannot do that and stay sane, I need to move people! I hope you're feeling virtuous for resisting.

My OH is working late on Friday and all weekend so I suppose it'll be valentines G and T for us!

I've eaten really badly today dairy-wise and I'm embarrassed to admit it - you will think I'm a crazy mascarpone guzzling freak. I was really worried about struggling in spinning and didn't want to go there already hungry (that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it).

B: 2 egg scrabble with butter, shallot, mushroom and tomato. Mascarpone and pistachios. (I was quite hungry this morning blush)

L: more mascarpone and raspberries and pistachios. (I made kale and turkey meatball soup from low carb gourmet but it took longer than expected and I couldn't be bother by the time I'd done.)

D: roast chicken and celeriac boulangere.

2 coffees with cream. A truckload of water - I've just drunk 2l since I got in from spinning and I now feel like a balloon.

NellVarnish Mon 10-Feb-14 21:19:09

2lbs ON.


Hardly surprising.

thanks to the losers, the sts's and the ones like me.

<waves to everyone>

NellVarnish Mon 10-Feb-14 21:24:45

Hey Pistey, who are you calling a wee tartan granny?! wink

You're not far off the mark smile

Crabby yes cooking for six/seven most nights. It's a pain in the arse. Try to cook the same thing but omit carbs in mine. It's tricky at times, also work full time. And it's bloody dear!

Made a beef stroganoff thing for tomorrow night, it's in the slow cooker now. And for tea tonight had mushrooms fried in butter with wilted spinach, a dollop of cream and a knob of Boursin. Was quite nice. Well it was ok.

NellVarnish Mon 10-Feb-14 21:27:26

LittleMiss don't leave. I think we all fit together quite nicely here, stay.

Congrats to all the big losers, you're brilliant. Hope one day it will be me. smile

EvaTheOptimist Mon 10-Feb-14 21:35:35

Therein vegetarian options:

How about soup for lunch, eg Broccoli and Stilton? Curried Cauliflower? Cream of mushroom?

Have you tried the Courgetti? They are great with pesto or melted philadelpia or fried mushrooms or grated cheese or all of the above in any combination. (rest of the family can have pasta with pesto or a different sauce)

Fried mushrooms with melted philadelphia is very quick and can warm an otherwise chilly lunch-time salad up.

Curry - veg side dishes like aubergine bhaji, spinach bhaji, mushroom bhaji, spinach paneer etc are THE BUSINESS.

Ratatouille - I confess I don't know its carb ratings but I think the ingredients basically seem in the rules - onion/shallot, courgette, aubergine, mushroom, tinned tomato. Obviously you have to get some fat into the meal so have it with philly or grated cheese or on swede mashed with loads of butter (or make sure you have a "pudding" based on cream afterwards!!) (Rest of family can have with pasta or as a go-with something else.)

Can you use the ratatouille to make a veggy moussaka? (an idea I may pursue myself!)

Frittata (as a new way of eating eggs - helpful for your dairy-free DS?) I confess I don't know how to make it.

Spinach and feta bake is pretty amazing (I wonder if there's a version on the recipe thread?) The one I made had frozen spinach, 3 eggs, greek yogurt, feta and grated cheese in, baked in oven. I wonder if you took the cheese out (so it was spinach, eggs, greek yogurt) whether it would still be OK as a dairy-free alternative? (perhaps you can add some other ingredients and experiment.)

Poached eggs and asparagus with butter (for those posher moments)

EvaTheOptimist Mon 10-Feb-14 21:36:56

Lovecat I think you've been wonderfully assertive and an example to us all! Stick to your guns.

ItsNotUnusualToBe Mon 10-Feb-14 21:48:04

Barging in to SMS and once again it goes a little something like this:

Celeriac and swede dolphin pose ( with blobs of left over chilli cream cheese). To whoever suggested this, I now down in your general direction.

1lb off again. This is awesome. Every meal is truly a feast without regret ( great blog btw).

:Sighs contentedly:

Thanks Eva, there are some really good ideas there. I'm getting fed up of making loads of different options at each meal. I have had soup - the aldi tomato and basil soup is 3g carbs/100ml. And courgette spaghetti was ok, but not amazing. Maybe I need to try it again to see if I get the taste for it.

BIWI Mon 10-Feb-14 22:17:45

Chester There's a recipe for chocolate pots and mousse on the recipe thread! The one I make is on there as chocolate and raspberry liqueuer ice-cream, but you can serve it either chilled or frozen

lovecat grin and yes they sound like cheeky bastards. I would never have ten kids running round my titchy flat house, but then, I have come to realise, that bar my own - I don't really actually like children blush

mpr yeay! <does a happy dance>

sarahbeenys I don't even like going to the pub when I can drink! It was the one 'outing' we had over the weekend, and the couple were literally raving about how great the food was there... hmm I realised that people who eat and drink like they do, kind of engineer their whole lives to be a series of stop offs at places where you can buy alcohol and eat shit. I'm sure I've done the same in the past, but when you remove the whole idea of food as a reward, and you didn't want to drink in the first place (I don't really enjoy drinking booze much - what can I say, I'm an oddling I know) then sitting in a manky, drafty, boring fucking pub holds zero allure.

nell <waves>

Ruprekt Mon 10-Feb-14 22:46:55

I have been bouncing around from 179lbs to 176lbs for flipping months!

Literally, months.

I cannot get below 176lbs......confused

StuntNun Mon 10-Feb-14 23:17:09

I'm doing a DIY ubercamp starting tomorrow Ruprekt in the hope of kickstarting some weight loss. Not even thinking about the fat fast.

CrabbyWinterBottom Tue 11-Feb-14 00:02:02

I came on to read but not post tonight as am feeling a bit down after chatting to DD on skype.

But this...
crabby how I missed you >climbs into crabby's lap and stares up<
...made me burst out laughing and cheered me right up! grin Thank you Trashy! Come on up for a cwtch (though you'll have to vie for lap space with the crazy cocker. wink

Well I did go to Hankley today (where they're filming), thanks for all your encouragement to do that instead of housework. grin The enthusiastic use of smoke machines meant I couldn't get any decent pictures from so far away, and there were loads of actors and animals so all a bit confusing. The pics I took on our Friday dog walk turned out (when I zoomed in on the pc) to be the director and (I think) the actors Michael Fassbender and Patrick Considine.

Hugh right you are - I shall stop faffing around with Fassbender and get back to the recipes! grin

Thanks Keepon I'm really glad you like it. I might make that this week actually.

You're all too nice to me - my head will swell! blush

Sarah how was the spinning? That'd kill me, I think. Love your scallops, bacon and cauli puree idea.

I've got a chocolate tart recipe to put up if anyone's interested. It's bloody gorgeous. Will have a think about other ideas Chester. Ooh that duck sounds lovely, I don't think you need any more ideas!

Steel will have a think in the morning about the pork.

Lovecat it amazes me that when so many British women are pear shaped, they still don't make jeans to fit us. confused I did find a pair of D&G jeans in the charity shop which fitted beautifully (ooh I can probably fit back into them now), but my budget doesn't in a million years run to buying new D&G jeans. Oh and yes, those mothers are being fucking cheeky. hmm Good for you for not letting them come.

Nell can you not get them to do the cooking for themselves some nights, and just make something quick and easy low carb for yourself?

Sarah I don't much like kids either; prefer animals. Fuck knows, then, why I have agreed to run a science club for ten of the little blighters. confused

Rup are you drinking loads of water? Last week I really made a concerted effort to measure out and drink at least 3 L of water a day, not including teas, and I think that's what tempted the Whoosh Fairy my way.

Food today
B - small slice of crustless quiche and some berry crumble with clotted cleam
L - more quiche. More crumble and clotted cream.
S - can you guess? hmm
D - courgetti with tomatoes, mushrooms, chorizo and pesto
2L water (not enough really) and 3 cups tea.

Thumbwitch Tue 11-Feb-14 05:37:40

Lovecat - no they were indeed cheeky bastards! "oh we didn't fancy your first choice of activity, but now you've changed it we'd love to come" - just no! I know it's said a lot on here, but people are just too bloody entitled these days - everything is All About Them, and not about anyone else. GRRRRR!

Not been very hungry today, so have hardly eaten apart from a handful of cherries and a lump of cheese, and it's 4:30pm; will attempt to have a better dinner to make up for it.

Had a supposedly sick child (Ds1, who is 6) home from school since before lunchtime - but despite complaining of having a squiggly tummy, nothing has come of it. From what he's said, it seems it came on after his teacher shouted at him this morning; so I'm gathering other reports of this "shouting" and then will speak to the teacher tomorrow. DS1 was always very nervous of loud noise, and really doesn't like being shouted at (although I don't exactly avoid it myself!) so it might have been that. Whichever, he's missed his first dance lessons of the year (which he enjoys) and will miss the school "get to know the teachers and other parents" picnic which starts in half an hour. I'm quite cross - I wouldn't have minded at all if he was genuinely ill, but he's buggered up my afternoon for no good reason as far as I can see!

RatherBeOnThePiste Tue 11-Feb-14 06:24:48

Oh bless at 'squiggly tummy' Thumb

Well done lovecat - bloody cheek of some folk!

I hear what you are saying Nelly about the cooking. Low carb recipes not always going down so well here, mine are after stuff like Irish stew, pasta and stuff. And I KNOW I am the one cooking so I can decide, but it can't just be about me.

Hey ho

Onwards and downwards

One pound off here this week. Huzzah smile


MrsHughJarse Tue 11-Feb-14 06:25:53

Sts today - maybe half a lb off on one toe .... Not disheartened though - I ' feel' thinner !

MrsHughJarse Tue 11-Feb-14 06:42:53

Joining a gym this week - can't be a sloth forever ! If I could just have 1 lb off next week I would be just under the stone to goal mark ......
Off to Virgin gym at lunch time - wish me luck ! grin

MyPreciousRing Tue 11-Feb-14 06:52:26

Morning all!
Feel really bloated and uncomfortable today. Did well food wise yesterday but was half litre below on the water.
Need to make sure fit it in today and get back into routine after two weekends on the trot interfering.
Good planning and big food shop required.
Happy LCing everybody

sybilfaulty Tue 11-Feb-14 07:01:40


I STS today as well. DOn't feel thinner - in fact feel a bit bloated. Oh dear. Never mind, Water water water.

Tuesday night is cauliflower cheese night here. Yum.

Hope you are well. Off to work now. Brrr, its cold

I'm not losing. This always happens. I will try harder this week although it's DS's third birthday tomorrow and we've got friends down at the weekend.

I need a loss or I'm going to lose will power sad (this is SMS btw so don't feel too sorry for me grin)

ChesterDrawers Tue 11-Feb-14 07:21:36

Crabby, would love a look at your choc tart recipe, sounds lovely.

Coo-eee Nell

TOTM arrived this morning and I am 1.5lbs up. No pmt or cravings yet though so happy with that. DS temp back to normal today and we both slept so he is off to nursery and I am going to work without the need for caffeine rocket fuel for a change!

Plan is:
B: eggs and butter
L: peri peri chicken salad with olive oil
D: not sure

Lookslikerain Tue 11-Feb-14 07:38:14

Morning all. Forgot to weigh yesterday. Congrats to the losers, commiserations to the rest. thanks

I STS again, but I'm ok with that. I've only lost 2lbs since the start but I'm feeling like I've got the carb cravings more under control now, so it's time to look at my portion sizes. Although I still find it amazing that I've eaten like a horse for 4 weeks and not put any weight on. No other "diet" would let you do that!

To whoever mentioned hazelnut butter last week. You are a bad bad person wink, and yes, it is like crack. It's like eating the inside if a ferrero rocher. Mmm. grin

And inspired by discussion on Waitrose, I now have pig cheeks in the fridge. No idea what to do with them though...

SayraT Tue 11-Feb-14 07:54:45

Sarah I think I've missed the pecans too

Eva I think I am going to try some of your veggie suggestions, they sound good smile I think I'm going to try the spinach and feta bake....I might even have all the ingredients in the house.

Crabby Hope you are feeling a bit happier, is your DD having fun in NZ? I worked over there for a year and would love to go back. Thank goodness for Skype...at least you can keep in touch easily.

MrsHugh feeling thinner is good! I feel thinner too and my mum commented that I'd lost weight grin I always know that she will notice....on the downside she also notices (and comments) if I put weight on [hmmm]. Good luck for the gym, you're braver than me!

Myprecious and Sybil Hope the bloated feeling goes soon, not a nice feeling.

Southsea have you tried measuring? Maybe you've lost inches, a few people have reported inch loss instead of weight loss. I know I've lost inches, I can do up a pair of jeans I've not been able to do up for months it doesn't look pretty though!

Drank a pint of water when I got up yesterday so delayed weigh-in until today....2 lb off grin.

Very happy as I was out on Saturday night with friends and had a curry, thankfully there was a buffet option but starters were brought to the table so I did have some pakora but mostly ate the garlicky mushrooms and chicken chaat which was lovely. Then I had a try of all the curries, one piece of naan and was too full for pudding. Tried to be extra low-carb on Sunday (can't remember what I ate though) and drank gallons of water.

Well done to all the losers, keep on keeping on to all that STS and anyone who gained.

And LittleMiss I meant to say of course you fit in here, we are all low-carbers and that's all we need to fit in, look at how many people have told you not to go.....if anyone shouldn't be here (on Mumsnet) its me. I have no children and have no intention of having any, I don't like gin but I don't care I'm staying <plonks bum down and glares at anyone who tries to move her> grin

And, to any lurkers out there, you are all welcome too, come and join us if you want, we are lovely grin

Getting a bit emotional here, I better go to work!

mirpuppet Tue 11-Feb-14 08:00:28

I also STS. Going with trend is friend & drinking more water.

Urgh. Bottle of red and a huge box ofM&S chocolates last night have made me feel yucky.
Still the same on the scales this morning though, so whatever.

Im now 158lb, was 175lb on Jan 1st.

CalamityKate Tue 11-Feb-14 09:23:59

STFS sad

Now drinking my first BPC. Hmm. Mmm. Very creamy and slightly coconutty. Actually ended up with 3/4 of a cup after making the mistake of putting the stick blender directly into the cup whereby much of the BPC jumped out of the cup and frothed all over the work top.

Feel like I've eaten breakfast now which is surprising because I woke up quite hungry. Interesting to see how long it fills me up for.

I think my big weakness is eating when I'm not hungry enough, just because it's a mealtime. I think I fear getting too hungry and then overeating. Or else I need to drastically cut portions. I was halfway through a salad last night, accompanied by hot chicken fried in butter with cream, garlic and Parmesan, avocado and mayo and technically I could have stopped but it was too nice to stop! I could probably get by on 2 meals a day but the food is just too bloody nice!

Thumbwitch Tue 11-Feb-14 09:30:20

Given my cock-up with the chickens/hormones thing, I'll completely understand if you want to ignore this suggestion BUT I'll make it anyway. One of the things that changed my life and gut health was reading the blood group diet book, Eat Right 4 Your Type. Some of the science in it is completely bosky, but I found that removing the foods that were suggested to be bad for me as a Type B got rid of my IBS and acid reflux, my post-prandial fatigue etc. Honestly made my life a huge amount better!

Anyway - my point. As a type B, dairy is fine in my diet; but my group is pretty much the only one who can tolerate it in any large quantity. Group AB can take some dairy, but groups O and A should avoid. Sooooooo - just wondering (again!) if those of you who stall when consuming dairy are groups A or O? And if you know your blood group, and it IS A or O, whether you might get on better without dairy.

Just a thought - feel free to scoff/ignore - but please don't be rude about my choice to live by this, because it has made the world of difference to me. (Also I know a lady who was group A who could NOT lose the last 2 stone she needed to until she switched to foods suitable for her blood group, and they fell off.)

I'm not advocating everyone goes out and tries it, by the way! Just it might help with the dairy thing. smile

spookySwitched Tue 11-Feb-14 09:44:06

Ive sts too, despite the scales showing a 3 lb loss on friday, I managed to find those 3 pounds by drinking way, way to much at my friends house on saturday.

Im pretty disappointed in myself this bootcamp, ive only lost a few pounds in total. Im good all week, then go out with my (new) boyfriend on a saturday, usually for dinner and drinks. I always try and have the low carb option, so it must be the alcohol.

Im going to have to quit boozing.

seriouslion Tue 11-Feb-14 10:12:51

I have been doing this since the week before the start but not really posting. I have been reading every day and it really really helps so thank you everyone! The support and ideas are amazing.

I am feeling so much better, sleeping better, better skin etc etc. But I am starting to wobble about not losing much on the scales. I've read all the responses to others about drinking more water etc and I haven't cheated AT ALL. The only thing I have had is a handful of blueberries on my yoghurt at breakfast last week, which I have stopped now and 2 squares of 85% choc this past weekend. Nothing else, but this week I've put on weight which is frustrating and overall my loss isn't that amazing.

This is the beginning of week 6 for me, shouldn't I see more improvement by now? Or do I need to get serious about exercising? How much exercise is everyone else doing?

A few weeks back, someone posted something that has stuck in my head, 'what's the alternative?' and its so true! So even though I'm feeling glum about it, my mantra has become 'what's the alternative?' because frankly I'm not going to lose weight any other way! And at least I like all the other side effects of eating like this I suppose.

That was a bit long sorry! Just needed to get it off my chest...

RoaringForties Tue 11-Feb-14 10:31:57

Morning, an infrequent poster but frequent lurker here too.

I have lost 3.8lbs which feels s.l.o.w to me. Last year on bootcamp I lost 15lbs at a lovely rate. However don't despair seriouslion have you weighted yourself? I ask as I did this morning and have lost 1 and a half inches off each thigh and an inch each off waist and hips and it has really cheered me up a lot.

I was very upset to realise that the lovely cabbage I had been eating with cream and butter was a whooping 5gshock didn't even think to check. Might have to stop my veg box as full of onions, carrots cabbage and parsnips... wondering if I can just ask for a swede box!

I think it is harder at this time of the year I yearn stodgy comfort food in the cold weather whereas in the summer it's all yahoo gorgeous greek salads agogo.

A massive thank you to crabby therefore for the berry almond crumble. I made this for afters on Sunday, the boys got custard with theirs and i had double cream and it was a smash hit winner all round. It has given me that lovely crumble pudding that I was missing.

StuntNun Tue 11-Feb-14 10:33:12

Sorry Spooky but the blood type diet is complete snake oil, it has been thoroughly debunked. It's great that the advice helped you but it is by chance rather than because there's anything to the diet. A lot of the suggestions in it are sensible for cutting out foods that commonly cause intolerances but there isn any relationship to blood type.

Serious and other STS please make sure you are measuring. I haven't been losing as hoped but I have lost 2cm off my waist. I'm having a few strict days on my own egg-free version of ubercamp although I accidentally had a cup of tea this morning because I was going on autopilot due to lack of sleep in the hope it will kickstart weight loss.

PseudoBadger Tue 11-Feb-14 10:35:03

Lovecat I need to know what these Pecans of Doom are?

HeirToTheIronThrone Tue 11-Feb-14 10:54:08

My naughty weekend lb has disappeared overnight, hooray!

I am feeling rotten with a horribly sore throat though - any suggestions for LC throat remedies??

Thumb I am A+ but seem to be ok with dairy - although maybe if I cut it out totally I would lose more, I might give that a go.

Today will be dairy-free actually (coincidence) - few blueberries this morning as I wasn't hungry and felt my usual yogurt wouldn't help the throat situation. Lunch will be tuna mayo and cucumber in little gem leaves, then sausages baked with some sort of veg and chilli and lardons tonight.

Menu help needed too - DH is taking me for a Valentine's dinner, [http://thelibertine-westbourne.com/media/documents/Libertines-Valentines-Menu.pdf here] is the menu - what is best??

HeirToTheIronThrone Tue 11-Feb-14 10:54:36

Bugger - here is the menu!

spookySwitched Tue 11-Feb-14 10:57:04

Ive not measured myself but can (just) fit into jeans that were too tight at christmas. I feel slimmer to, or maybe just not so bloated. I agree with seriouslion , diets like slimming world and weightwatchers work, but the food is so bland. I used to do slimming world and I mainlined muller light yogurts and fruit but always felt so unsatisfied.
On this woe my food is pretty much always delicious.

Can i ask about ubercamp? Is it just no dairy or processed food, or do you have to follow the recipes given?

<chucks ball for crazy cocker and hops on>

Morning losers. Just a quick 'un before work. Feeling high as a low-carb kite this morning! Just filed my tax return (sanctioned late blush) and have got brand new exy-pesh scarpa walking boots and a ridiculously epic new waterproof coat to go skipping off out in grin (I run a doggy day care business, so in my 'office' aka the park it is often pissing down with rain!)

I'm also feeling so pleased that the problem I have with my ankle (stretchy ligament) is feeling much less painful. I have been wearing a 'moon boot' for months now (not fun when chasing run away puppies!) and my foot specialist has told me two excellent if slightly scary things. 1. I don't need to wear the bastard thing if I don't feel I need to grin
2. I am having surgery to correct it (some time in the next six months)

A huge part of my weight gain this time round has been due to enforced sedentry carb scoffing, and this feels like the end of that chapter.

aah southsea c'mon, post your food and drink - we'll all help wink

chester very pleased your ds is better - lack of sleep is the shittest

sayra grin

thumbwitch I am B+ but definitely stall with dairy.... do you think the + makes a difference?

seriouslion excellent de-lurking post! How much dairy are you eating? and do you want to post your menu? It really can help

EwanHoozami Tue 11-Feb-14 11:28:57

Heir that looks really tasty! Best bet would be the quail to start and pig cheeks for main, maybe ask for some of their purple sprouting instead of the spuds and parsnips?

trash excellent news on the ankle. Must have been a nightmare in your line of work.

Pisci I've always struggled more to lose weight this time of year. I wonder if my body stubbornly holds on to the excess as insulation, or more likely winter provides less opportunity for activity and more time indoors distractedly opening kitchen cupboards grin


B: Lidl yog
L: ham and spinach omelette
D: I've got a brisket in the slow cooker with leeks, shallots, rosemary and turnips. Another Asda "whoops" score from last week. Smells amazing.

Am tempted to do more reduced shelf-bothering today.

you don't necessarily need to exercise to lose weight. though there are of course lots of other benefits to doing exercise and being more active in terms of fitness, mood, body shape etc. indeed, when i first start or restart a new type of exercise i often put on a bit of weight initially, i think to do with the fact that exercise causes small 'tears' in the muscles, which when they repair themselves makes them stronger, but initially will cause them to take on water as part of the healing process (this may be bollocks but it makes me feel better). it's worth being aware of this

i'm not doing much at the moment because i'm working all the hours god sends and it's bloody raining all the time, so as ewan says being active is more tricky. it's not causing me to put on weight or anything but i am more moody and can see the loss in muscle tone

Lovecat Tue 11-Feb-14 11:46:13

Pecans of Doom grin - I was originally looking for the week 3 recipe that Piscivorous posted, but couldn't find it, so I made these instead from the Dana Carpender book:

0.5 cup of pecans
25g melted butter
1 tbsp soy sauce
1 tsp ginger

Heat oven to 150F
Arrange pecans on a small baking tray (one with a lip or sides) and toss them in the butter, making sure they're all coated. Bake for 10 mins.
Remove from oven, add soy sauce and ginger, toss again and bake for further 5 mins. Wait for them to cool if you can bear it. Try not to inhale in one sitting.

The recipe I was looking for, btw, was this:

Courtesy of Piscivorous : Melt butter in a pan, add pecans, stir, sprinkle with salt, sweetener (xylitol) and cinammon, mix thoroughly until all melted and combined. Allow them to cool and YUM!

So you can probably do them in a pan on the stove with much less faffage (this is not good news, they are addictive!).

Talking of entitled parents and their offspring... one child approached me in the playground yesterday. - DD's mum, are we eating at yours after the cinema? Me - Yes, we are. Child - oh GOOD, can you do that lovely chicken you did at DD's Hallowe'en party? And that gorgeous dip?

That would be nice, only I have no recollection of any kind of dip whatsover at that party... (The 'lovely chicken' btw was quorn goujons as 2 of the kids were vegetarian... confused) The only dips I tend to do are guacamole (which I know I didn't do!) or salsa - again, I know I didn't do that for them... someone is going to be disappointed...

ChesterDrawers Tue 11-Feb-14 12:27:01

Uuugh, the last few days' full caff coffee consumption has come back to bite me on the arse after months of decaffing. I have got a horrible headache now. Drinking lots of water and trying not to give in but really want to be home on the sofa with my duvet and a good book afternoon nap.

Lighthousekeeping Tue 11-Feb-14 12:27:21

I've got too many courgettes. Tonight I'm going to make a large chilli pre nights starting tomorrow. Are kidney beans a no no on boot camp? Shall I replace them with mushrooms?

ChesterDrawers Tue 11-Feb-14 12:27:35

Oooh Pecans of Doom sound great though. They are going on my shopping list for later.

Please could someone point me in the direction of the famous berry crumble - it sounds delicious!

crabby's berry crumble

i'm thinking about doing that for a dinner party - can't decide between this and chocolate mousse (might do both wink)

BIWI Tue 11-Feb-14 13:17:45

Kidney beans definitely off limits ...

Gerrythetootallgiraffeswife Tue 11-Feb-14 13:23:30

I think I've missed loads but if I try to catch up I'll just give up, so some good old fashioned shit shouting here.

Feeling really disheartened. Week 4 of no loss. Since I started on the 6th jab I've gone 226, 215, 218, 215, 215. I was ill at the weekend and that combined with feeling utterly shit about the whole thing meant I cheated big style on Sunday for the first time. Potatoes, pudding, cake. You name it, I ate it. Regretted it as I felt like shit, and am back on track now, but I don't know what I'm doing wrong.


How are you all getting your fat into your diet? I am at work at Tue moment and just had my home made chicken soup but i have no energy. Would something fatty give me energy?

I am trying to resist the luxury triple choc cookies which have appeared in the staff room!

gerry you have lost 11lb in 5 weeks - that is very good!

have you listed out your usual meals before? (not the cheat days obviouslY)

HeirToTheIronThrone Tue 11-Feb-14 13:27:57

Thanks Ewan - those were my choices, DH wants me to get the potato anyway so he can have it. I also thought I might ask for the tart for pudding then just eat the clotted cream with a spoon grin

BIWI Tue 11-Feb-14 13:29:47

"Feeling really disheartened. Week 4 of no loss. Since I started on the 6th jab I've gone 226, 215, 218, 215, 215. I was ill at the weekend and that combined with feeling utterly shit about the whole thing meant I cheated big style on Sunday for the first time. Potatoes, pudding, cake. You name it, I ate it. Regretted it as I felt like shit, and am back on track now, but I don't know what I'm doing wrong."

There's a clue in Potatoes, pudding, cake. You name it, I ate it grin

Weeks 3, 4 and 5 are often weeks where you see little or no loss, even a small gain. Looks to me like what was happening to you - and then you will have sabotaged the whole thing on Sunday.

I'm sorry. It's hard to keep going without any apparent benefit, but that's why last week's chat thread was entitled 'keep on keeping on'

Drink lots of water, get back on track and you should be fine

Lighthousekeeping Tue 11-Feb-14 13:30:20

If you add red wine in cooking what does that do to the carb content?

microchips yes, fat in the diet helps the hormones that send 'full' signals to the brain, so you feel full, and obviously it gives you energy

the chicken soup sounds very low fat, and if that's the case it won't be very satisfying, what are its ingredients? adding cream and butter would help

i get fat into my diet by cooking in butter, choosing fatty cuts of meat, adding butter to cooked veg, a bit of double cream, lashings of full fat mayonnaise, dressing made with plenty of olive oil, some full fat yoghurt, cheese

cheese is a good quick portable snack for work

how long have you been doing this? it's very common to feel exhausted and like you're walking through treacle a bit tired during the first week or so of switching to a low carb way of eating

prettybird Tue 11-Feb-14 13:31:19

Yaay! smile 10stone 7lb - I reached my ambitious objective for this month! smilesmile

I'm going to set my new month's objective to reach 10stone 3lb - then maybe the following month I can set it to break the 10 stone barrier and the month after that to set new objectives with the scales consistently on a less flattering place in the bathroom wink

BIWI Tue 11-Feb-14 13:32:50


How are you all getting your fat into your diet? I am at work at Tue moment and just had my home made chicken soup but i have no energy. Would something fatty give me energy?

Your diet should be the following proportions:


Fat gives you energy, it's the number one source of fuel for the body when you cut the carbs right down. What did you have for breakfast this morning? And are you only eating soup? How did you make the soup? Was there a lot of fat in it?

TBH it sounds a bit like you're cutting down calories and fat - which isn't what we're aiming to do.

ChesterDrawers Tue 11-Feb-14 13:35:10

I think I fancy making the crumble tonight as I am feeling in need of a treat. As I am on my todd, I need to scale down the recipe though, so anyone know how many this will serve?

BIWI Tue 11-Feb-14 13:35:43

To answer your question though:

- cook with butter
- put butter on your veg
- add mayo where you can (check the carb count first)
- eat salads with oily dressings
- buy/cook fattier cuts of meat - e.g. chicken thighs rather than breast (with the skin on!), belly pork rather than pork fillet, etc
- fry foods rather than grill
- don't buy/eat anything that is low fat

I was in a rush this morning so just grabbed my soup and nothing else or lunch so going to pop to the shop. Just have no idea what to buy.
I had bacon and eggs for breakfast. It's only today that i've not eaten much but i do think I'm not eating enough fat.
I'm going to sit down at the computer tonight and work out some meal plans.

BIWI Tue 11-Feb-14 13:38:48

Some cheese would make a good snack, or olives? You could always buy some ham and cream cheese (full fat, obviously!), and roll the meat around the cheese?

having followed this WOE for nearly two years now, i have found that it is very common for several weeks (or months) of bouncing around the same can be followed by a whoosh down, then bouncing around again (maybe with a gain), then another whoosh etc. it's like the body needs a little while to get used to the new weight or something so it takes a breather! someone has said on here before that fat cells often get taken up by water for a while before they release that and you see the whoosh, i don't know about the science behind that but others are better read.

anyway, we are only on week 5, and it is very common for weight loss to look like this on this WOE (this isn't real data, but it demonstrates what i'm talking about) - the trend is your friend is so true

cheese and ham sounds good. thank you.
The chicken soup/broth is made with chicken thighs onion and celery. It's probably the wrong thing to be eating? but it's my favourite food lol.

no, chicken thighs and celery are fine, maybe check on the amount of onion you use because the carbs can add up with them (shallots or leeks are a good substitute, or just use less onion). and if you love eating it then that's good

the only problem is that it's all low fat, so if you love it can you add butter or cream or otherwise tweak it to increase the fat content, or eat it alongside some cheese or something else fatty?

that said, chicken thighs are better than breast as they do have more fat, but overall chicken is a lean meat

PseudoBadger Tue 11-Feb-14 13:53:40

Thanks for the pecan recipe Lovecat grin

I'm just waiting for my celeriac gratin to bake and have had some sliced chicken with mayo in lettuce leaves to tide me over.

Breakfast was sausage, bacon and egg (using up weekend leftovers)
Dinner will be bolognese with courgetti

Lighthousekeeping Tue 11-Feb-14 14:04:33

I'm looking at the m and s valentines deal and wondering if there's anything I could eat off it? www.marksandspencer.com/Delicious-Offers-Offers-In-Store-Food-In-Store-Food-Wine/b/198933031

lighthouse they don't give much detail do they? i think you would be ok with:

from the starters menu:
Scallops & Shallot Butter*

Rump Steak with Peppercorn Sauce
2 Whole Seabass with Coriander & Red Chilli Butter
Chicken & Parma Ham
Steak (not sure how this is different from the rump steak??)

side dishes:
Garlic Mushrooms (provided they aren't breaded)
Cherry Tomato & Mozzarella Bake (careful with the cherry tomatoes, also might be breaded?)
Broccoli, Carrots, Courgettes & Fine Beans (easy on the carrots)
Mediterranean Vegetables for Roasting (depends what this includes...)

cheese board

Lighthousekeeping Tue 11-Feb-14 14:28:52

Oh, I'm off to investigate ....

CrabbyWinterBottom Tue 11-Feb-14 14:36:05

Must. Stop. Eating. Bloody. Crumble. hmm

I think I fancy making the crumble tonight as I am feeling in need of a treat. As I am on my todd, I need to scale down the recipe though, so anyone know how many this will serve?

Chester I'd have to say one, based on my own experience. blush

MrsHughJarse Tue 11-Feb-14 14:42:38

is anyone else's dishwasher grumbling about the sudden change in diet??. Mine is absolutely not used to fat of any sort - or me eating lunch - ever....... how amazing is lunch - i LOVE lunch ! * biwi* thanks for bringing lunch into my life ! anyhoo.....so it is complaining about the oily, buttery , mayonaise, creamy plates and is a bit ' gunked up ! are there any miracle solutions?

sybil freezing here too and raining as usual. Water water for me too - plus a possible reduction in cheese.....--am addicted, can't believe I am even thinking it-- shock

chester I too love the feeling of NOT needing a caffeine fix - first time I have properly kicked the habit for many many years - feels great ! hope your headache improves

sayra gym was fine -turns out, it was only a ' tour' meet them and sign up - so felt a self conscious twit in my gym gear ! have yet to break a sweat !

I haven't ever posted my food diary - so here go's, any constructive ideas welcome to capture that woosh fairy...

B. 2 eggs scrambled with butter and dash cream
L avocado salad with lots of dressing , made from olive oil/ sesame/ white wine vinegar and mustard
snack when I get in from work/school run - chunk cheese/ slice ham
D salmon over roasted with pesto top, butter fried leeks with cream

3 l of water, tea x 2 with unsweet almond milk. coffee x 2 with cream.

anything obvious wrong ?

Gerrythetootallgiraffeswife Tue 11-Feb-14 14:43:58

Oh wow- BIWI's stick hurts. Totally deserved and necessary though. It's just difficult with 5 weeks of no cheating when the weight loss stops, especially when there are people who seem to be able to get away with cheating more than I can. I feel like stamping my feet and sulking about how unfair the whole thing is. Consider me suitably chastised, off to pour myself a glass of water and eat some butter...

GatoradeMeBitch Tue 11-Feb-14 14:51:27

Ooh, I'm so going to try that berry crumble! I'm missing desserts.

I feel a bit disheartened today. 10lb weightloss, but when I was in the Top Shop fitting room I looked as big as ever sad

GatoradeMeBitch Tue 11-Feb-14 14:59:41

Is plastic cheese okay? The kind you put on burgers?

GatoradeMeBitch Tue 11-Feb-14 15:05:51

I think it is ok - too late now anyway! I made burgers for lunch, used this recipe www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/11529/home-made-beef-burgers

Lovecat Tue 11-Feb-14 15:23:14

Crabby grin

Mrs Hugh, yes, our dishwasher is definitely feeling the strain. I bought it a packet of dishwasher cleaner today, so will whizz that through in an effort to placate it...

I was verrry restrained this morning, the cafe I usually go and sit in while DD is at her dyslexia tutoring was closed for a refurb, so as it was pissing down I went to the only other cafe in the area, which is part of a Belgian-themed chain and specialises in amazing cake (think Pat Val but more so). I walked past all the gorgeous, amazing-looking cake with my fingers in my ears going lalalala , had a black coffee (they don't do pouring cream sad ) and a water, and then I noticed on the menu they did breakfast as well as naice cake. I had pork belly slice, fried egg, veal & pork sausage (which was interesting...) and a side order of creamy mushrooms, which I'm really hoping were not carby, they didn't seem to be and they were gorgeous. It even came with a big pile of rocket as a garnish. Woman looked at me like I was mad when I said I didn't want the brioche it was meant to come with, though....grin

notsoold Tue 11-Feb-14 15:27:46

I am normally lurking in here as having a small baby and trying to type on smartphone doesn't work for me!
I joined you later and am in the middle of my third week....
My numbers are 187,183 and today 184lbs and my weigh in is on Thursday.

I am constantly reading the thread to motivate myself and getting to know a little of you all. I still don't manage to have only 3 meals per day and my portions are huge because I am tired from lack of sleep.. Still I am not gaining.

I tried removing the cheese (my downfall) but is a easy snack when LO is crying so I will keep for now, if it is ok???

And my clothes are slightly better so I am looking to that direction instead of the pound gained.

As I was too late the daat won't show on spreadsheet but it is ok....
Thank you for sharing and being together in this journey!

PseudoBadger Tue 11-Feb-14 15:34:00

Welcome notsoold - how old is your baby? My dd is just 4 months and I'm 6 weeks into low carbing. The first 3 weeks or so I was eating a lot (low carb) but as I've gone into fat burning my appetite is much much less. Dd is gaining weight well so I don't thinks it's affecting my milk, but I did worry at first.

notsoold Tue 11-Feb-14 15:38:52

Hi pseudo....I am one of the October mums like you!!!! I hope this to be my last diet ever!!! And answering your question... J is 16weeks ...

CrabbyWinterBottom Tue 11-Feb-14 15:43:23

Someone asked about what to do with pigs' cheeks... I pasted this on an earlier thread...
The pigs' cheeks are from Waitrose and DP browned them in a pan then put them into the slow cooker with shallots, leeks, garlic and celery. He deglazed the pan with a dash of sherry, added that to the slow cooker with red wine, stock, star anise, thyme, bayleaves, salt and black pepper. He's going to cook it for about 3 hours. He'll reduce the stock down to make a sort of jus and we'll have it with swede mash. Yum!

HumphreyCobbler Tue 11-Feb-14 15:43:43

hello notsoold
i have a 17 week old ds
don't know how much i have lost as i don't weigh but definitely some poundage has gone. nowhere near as much as when lc without breastfeeding though.

PseudoBadger Tue 11-Feb-14 15:43:46

I knew I recognised your name! Well enjoy, I'm having a great time here smile

CrabbyWinterBottom Tue 11-Feb-14 15:58:01

Welcome notso. smile

The penny has dropped about my crumble cravings... I'm premenstrual. Had been surprised at how breasts aren't sore and I'm not feeling psychotic (that I've noticed) this month, but I'm HUNGRY! and in that wanting to eat for the taste and feeling, not proper hunger. Am feeling a bit anxious today too, so guessing I'm getting hormental.

crabby my appetite goes through the roof just before my period

HumphreyCobbler Tue 11-Feb-14 16:05:19

I am premenstrual too. Am v annoyed about it as I could be breastfeeding any more often <grumpy> Hormones all over the place chez Cobbler poor DH

I find it really really hard to stick to no carbs when premenstrual, but normally this WOE eliminates that for me. So I am blaming the breastfeeding.

HumphreyCobbler Tue 11-Feb-14 16:05:35

could NOT be

ElBombero Tue 11-Feb-14 16:38:03

Desperate to make the crumble!!!

ToffeePenny Tue 11-Feb-14 16:40:03

<Delurks to join the premenstrual run of posters>
Only 1lb down this week and I have been 100% good as gold.
Stupid bloaty water weight grr.
<Re-lurks and sips more water>

Lighthousekeeping Tue 11-Feb-14 16:51:17

I'm bloated like mad. I've been getting cramps all week I just wished it would hurry up and cone. I'm cooking the hairy bikers chilli and it smells divine. I'll have it later in the week with cauliflower rice. I've never been so organised in my life!

SteeleyeStan Tue 11-Feb-14 17:06:01

Totally just shouting my own shit here... apologies.

I'm knackered today, still not feeling great, and have The Guilt now, because I'm getting sod all done. Had a meds review in the morning and that's been the excitement of my day. hmm

Anyway, foods:
B: Two fried eggs, two cherry tomatoes and coffee with coconut oil.
L: Cheesy omelette.
S: Very thick and creamy hot chocolate (it's odd to find yourself liking it without any sweeteners at all, I just used cinnamon today).
D: Stupid soggy slowcooker pork. grin

The pork is actually cooking as we speak. It's shrunk to a quarter of its raw size, while the cooker has filled itself with water. I wonder if my problem isn't so much the slow cooker, or even my own lack of skill, but cheap meat plumped up on water and nitrites?

Hope you're all fine. Chin up, eat if you're hungry, fart if you're gassy, damn them hormones, keep up the good work and so on... blush

RatherBeOnThePiste Tue 11-Feb-14 17:11:13

Talk me down fr

RatherBeOnThePiste Tue 11-Feb-14 17:12:08

Talk me down from eating all the jelly babies!

Hooooooooooge craving. Why now?!


SteeleyeStan Tue 11-Feb-14 17:30:11

Piste okay... Basset's Jelly Babies:

Sugar, Glucose syrup, Water, Gelatine (Bovine), Concentrated fruit juices* (1%) (Lime, raspberry, Blackcurrant, Strawberry, orange, lemon), Citric acid, Flavourings, Colours (Carbon black, Cochineal, Curcumin, Copper chlorophyl). *enquired to 7% fruit juice.

Dietary Information
May Contain Wheat
Contains Sulphur Dioxide/Sulphites

Nutritional Data
Typical Valuesper 100g
of which sugars74.6g

Step awaaaay, it's not worth it! grin

there is not going to be a world shortage of jelly babies any time soon. you can have them another time

CrabbyWinterBottom Tue 11-Feb-14 17:38:43

Sayra thank you, yes she's having a great time, although the day after they got there she found some strange marks on her legs. They got increasingly sore so xDP put iodine on them (he's obsessed with bloody iodine, puts it on everything hmm ) and within an hour they'd blistered badly. At DD's request he then burst the blisters and covered them with a plaster. Then he emailed me and asked me to look up the marks he'd described on the internet to see what they were. I was a bit very hmm about this and said don't put iodine on it; take her straight to a GP or walk in clinic! Having been on three flights, through three airports and having questionable hand hygiene (DD, not xDP wink ), it could be bloody anything. Unsurprisingly the doctor hadn't a clue what they were as they were now totally obscured by weeping blisters, stained bright yellow from the iodine, and she'd had an allergic reaction to the plasters so surrounded by a livid rash. hmm hmm So they've given her antibiotics, are treating them as chemical burns, presumably from the fucking bastard iodine, and she's got great big burns dressings on her legs which means she can't swim (or shower). sad She's enjoying herself apart from that though, thanks for asking. grin The quality of living seems over there seems better than ours and it looks so beautiful. Do you think you'll go back?

Thumb hope DS's squiggly tum is better!

Welcome Lurkers! Come out of the shadows and into the sun with us! grin

Roaring glad you like the berry crumble. smile
Willie I could (and do hmm ) eat the crumble until it comes out of my ears, but when I made it for a non low carbing friend, she found it not nearly sweet enough for her tastes. So if you're making it for non low carbers they might find it a bit tart (fools! why would you want to add sugar to that wonderfully tart, buttery, creamy, nutty wonderfulness?). <<eyes fridge again>>

Gerry 11lbs in 5 weeks is a brilliant loss! confused

Love well done on surviving the cafe of cake.

Yes am definitely premenstrual - can feel it all going a bit wrong in my head and body. I get a big appetite too Willie. Oh well as least I'm only craving low carb treats.

Steel I totally have The Guilt too. Am all anxious about not getting enough done, that I'm wasting the time whilst DD is away when I should be getting Useful Things done, and convinced that other people are so much more productive, organised and disciplined than me. Probably because they are. hmm

CalamityKate Tue 11-Feb-14 17:39:23

All I fancy doing for dinner is putting some pork belly in to cook slowly while I'm in tesco, then making Crabby's Berry crumble. Is that ok?

I really fancy a hot pud and I think that'll hit the spot nicely!

thanks crabby, i'll bear that in mind. for puddings i quite often do them in individual portions, with sugar added to those destined for carby twats wink, and without for me

this works well for things like chocolate mousse, and i could probably do the same with the crumble in ramekins

that way i can have a low carb pudding but without looking like i am

ChesterDrawers Tue 11-Feb-14 18:07:04

[Grin] Crabby I've bought the ingredients for the crumble but will be quartering it to be on the safe side. My problem is the whole tub of clotted cream in the fridge - last time I ate the whole one straight from the pot with a spoon blush

Calamity we are tea twins! I've got belly pork in too and will be having crumble for pud.

ChesterDrawers Tue 11-Feb-14 18:10:07

Why did my grin not work?????

prettybird Tue 11-Feb-14 18:22:30

My dad (doctor) always used to disapprove of iodine. Iirc, it was because it seals potential infection beneath.

prettybird Tue 11-Feb-14 18:27:02

Willie - I make a lovely chocolate pot dessert that is low carb but very tasty. It uses high quality chocolate, 2 eggs a little milk and one orange but makes eight (in wee espresso cups) so I reckon the juice of an eighth of an orange is ok for a treat!wink

TossedSaladsAndScrambledEggs Tue 11-Feb-14 18:29:05

In the allowed veg section of the website it lists potatoes, parsnips and broad beans. Really? Sorry if this has been commented on before...

thenightsky Tue 11-Feb-14 18:31:54

I've been known to eat a tub of clotted cream with a spoon too blush

DurhamDurham Tue 11-Feb-14 18:34:34

I've just melted some dark chocolate and mixed with some extra thick double cream. I then spooned it into some ramekin dishes and ate one. I did intend to chill in the fridge first but once I got a taste there was no way that was going to happen. It was delicious, it may not escape the wrath of BIWI's stick but it was worth it grin

SayraT Tue 11-Feb-14 18:41:20

Crabby sorry to hear that your DD has blistered/burnt legs, I hope they are ok soon. Glad they aren't stopping her enjoying herself. I would like to go back but towards the end of my time there some of the things I liked at the start were pissing me off. Example: in the town I lived in the chemist sold toiletries and medicine, the butchers sold meat, the fruit and veg shop sold fruit and veg etc etc. At first I found this nice but towards the end I wanted to be able to go to the supermarket and pick up food, clothes, shampoo and a book all at once!! The way of life I found was more relaxed and the people I met were very very friendly, I felt very safe and spent quite a few nights sleeping in random places while I was between jobs (I worked as a relief milker - that's someone who milks cows when the usual stockman is off/whatever grin). It is beautiful and it was nice having pretty much guaranteed sunshine every day in the summer. I also worked in Canada withe my OH building cattle pens etc, he would love to go back to Canada but I'm not as keen. Sorry that was a bit long smile

I have had one slip today but I do not care. I ordered some Hotel Chocolat chocolates for a friend and ordered myself a wee bag (I shouldn't have). I have had one tonight and it was amazing grin, I don't feel the need to eat the whole bag though so I won't. I am happy with having one occasional chocolate, I didn't really eat chocolate anyway and the last time I had HC chocolates was 2 years ago. Once every two years is ok I think!!

StuntNun Tue 11-Feb-14 18:41:25

First day of my DIY ubercamp came in at 21g carbs according to MFP. Today was 4% carbs, 17% protein and a whopping 79% fat, half of which was saturated fat! So I think it went rather well, just another pint of water to drink before bedtime. I had a long walk today as well so I want to see the scales moving in the right direction soon please.

An AMAZING discovery today was frying bacon using water. Seriously! I put streaky bacon in a skillet frying pan, no added fat, just covered with cold tapwater then put it on a high heat. When the water was gone I turned it down to a medium heat. I think the idea is the fat renders out into the water without the bacon drying out. It produced rashers that were crispy like fried bacon but not brittle, more of a chewy texture. Served with mushrooms fried in rather a lot of butter and a BPC it was a very good start to the day.

CalamityKate Tue 11-Feb-14 19:24:37

God that crumble is lovely! Thank you Crabby!

Although I fucked up somewhat - tesco didn't have frozen mixed fruit; all they had was blueberries so I had blueberry crumble. Which was lovely but it bumped the carbs up a bit.

Still, my belly pork strips didn't have any carbs (I had them on their own, just gnawing away like a cave person) so it evens out.

Going to try the Pecans of Doom tomorrow!

Lighthousekeeping Tue 11-Feb-14 19:38:54

Anyone got a link to the crumble you all love? I'm not ready for it just yet but I reckon by next week I can have some berries. Thanks.

QueenofallIsee Tue 11-Feb-14 19:43:51

after a small gain last week sad am trying to be firm

b. 3 rashers bacon and scrambled eggs
l. leftover roast chicken with cucumber
d. sirloin steak with fried courgettes, shallots and mushroom
s. 2 teaspoons of peanut butter with celery sticks

hoping this is ok

CalamityKate Tue 11-Feb-14 19:51:00

WillieWaggleDagger linked to it at 12.57

Sorry can't do links myself!

ElBombero Tue 11-Feb-14 20:15:17

In the absence of ingredients for crumble I made a type of choc granache, 'twas lush... Melted two squares of 90% choc n very slowly stired in double cream grin

ElBombero Tue 11-Feb-14 20:17:40

X post durham

Lovecat Tue 11-Feb-14 20:18:23

Bloody hell, crabby, poor DD! Glad she's enjoying herself regardless but what a nightmare...

Just a quick bit of sms before bedtime.
B - Belgian brekky
D - remains of yesterday's Bolognese with Swede chips broccoli and green beans. DH back from Paris but was fed carbs on the train so I didn't do the dinner I'd planned, which included crabby's crumble - although having read about its addictive qualities perhaps that's just as well... smile

I'm pleasantly stuffed but need to shift another litre of water before bedtime. Am getting close to the denouement of my book so I may take it and my water bottle to bed.

See you all tomorrow for another day of being a loser! grin

CalamityKate Tue 11-Feb-14 20:18:54

That's a nice idea! Might try that now! I deserve it; I've been painting DS2s room for 2 days and I ache all over and am knackered.

Thanks for the encouragement. Funnily enough I weighed myself tonight not addicted to the scales oh no not me and I'm two pounds lighter than I was this morning! How does that work then??

ChesterDrawers Tue 11-Feb-14 20:56:27

Going to have to go to bed now too or I will eat more crumble! I quartered the recipe and made two little ones in ramekins. I have eaten one with clotted cream. It was amazing. The other is talking to me, begging to be eaten, but i am full so I will not give in.

Fab comfort food, but I think I ought to save it for special occasions or I'll be having it for breakfast, dinner and tea like Crabby

DurhamDurham Tue 11-Feb-14 21:10:03

ElBombero, at least you had a name for it, I wasn't even aware it was a ganache!! grin

teaandthorazine Tue 11-Feb-14 21:16:04

Evening all.

Back on the wagon today. Feeling very cravey after a weekend of sugary overindulgence but managed to avoid chocolate croissants this morning, flapjack and the most amazing yoghurty/cranberry/sugar thingies in the office this afternoon (thanks colleagues hmm) AND baguette when I got home. So feeling pretty good about that. Flabby and bleaugh, though; my stomach is bloated again and I feel knackered. Sugar is the devil for me, it really, really is.

Cup of tea for breakfast, not enough but was in a rush
L: prawn salad (not enough prawns!), with two small slices of cheese
D: mussels in white wine and garlic sauce, will probably have some yoghurt, linseeds and cream later

About 1.5 litres of water so far, three cups of coffee. I know I need more water.

Meh. I know low carb is right, I know it works, I know I feel generally WAY better when I'm eating this way. But I just want to DEMOLISH that flipping baguette with slabs of cold butter on top. Might have to go and chuck it out for the birds sad

CalamityKate Tue 11-Feb-14 21:40:02

Bleugh. Crumble is gorgeous and I probably had a slightly too large portion but I feel really uncomfortably full now. Not surprising really as I have got used to not having dessert. Still it was worth it! Even DS2 loved it which I'm surprised about as it's sugarless shock

AthelstaneTheUnready Tue 11-Feb-14 21:42:15

Dire, dismal day HOWEVER it is snowing, so all is forgiven.

can't possibly catch up as must go to bed - will try tomorrow. for now - Must Drink More Water. i'm sliding and can feel the difference.


night, all.

BIWI Tue 11-Feb-14 21:47:43

TossedSaladsandScrambledEggs - can you link to it? I can't find it, but not quite sure which website/where you are!

EvaTheOptimist Tue 11-Feb-14 21:52:01

Therein I have always had to make separate meals whether on this WOE or not - I'm a pescatarian who married a confirmed meat-eater. And our kids also have their own likes and dislikes. Every day the key task is just to get as many common elements between some of the 4 different plates as we can manage.

Seriouslion I have had weeks where I gained too - its a fluctuating sort of loss. Frustrating at the time I agree... but best to keep on keeping on (while looking out for any cheats). and I basically do no more than one yoga class a week by the way

Crabby ouch, your poor DD. You must be feeling quite irritated with XDP.

StuntNun can you list out your menu which had such an amazing carb-protein-fat ratio please?

Oh I have had such a lovely evening with my dcs tonight. They are great fun and I actually enjoy their company and listening to what they have to say. I had such a different experience with my first - everything was a battle. Who knew age and experience could prove so worthwhile 2nd and 3rd time round eh? grin

Anyway, enough sentimental twoddle - food for the day

B - 3 black farmers daughters chipolatas, 2 eggs, slice of beef tomato and 3 mushrooms all fried in a small brick of butter/ cup of rooibos (black)

L - A few stems of sprouting broccolli and 2 (handmade by me) lamb patties fried in butter

S - Mr Porky pork scratchings

D - Pak Choi leaves and a salmon steak fried in butter

Drinks 4+ litres of water and still going.

crabby I think you are so excellent. Hopefully dd will be healed up in a few days time. I'd want to skelp my dcs dad for such iodene fuckwittery.

ewan thanks! yes it has been a fucking expensive bollocking time grin - good luck 'yellow labelling' today, we basically hoard up anything meat based we find in the reduced section and bung it straight in the freezer! bloody marvellous.

prettybird that is excellent news <massive applause> grin

Had a fantastic stride through 'my office' the park today on the old ankle. I'm sure coming off sugar has made an enormous difference to the pain and swelling. Well something has anyway! My hair is so soft and shiny at the moment, my skin is glowing, no bags under my eyes, and I was at the dentist last week. As an ex-smoker (one year quit) I have always had bollockings for my gums. This time she said they were perfect (although I'm pretty sure that's to do with my obsession with oral health not my diet) but I felt so good about my self.

For those of you who are still struggling with the scales, I am too. My losses have been negligable so far, but all of these other factors must be taken into consideration. I also 'measured' my waist last week with a piece of ribbon and tied a knot to mark the place. When I re-measured today, I was fully expecting no/minimal change the damn thing was over an inch difference - I was chuffed to fuck.

Stay strong my lovely losers

GatoradeMeBitch Tue 11-Feb-14 22:15:49

I just finished a six pack of babybels - where does that come on the sin scale? Not too bad?

StuntNun Tue 11-Feb-14 22:42:47

Eva my food today wasn't usual because I'm trying to ubercamp but I can't eat eggs or mayonnaise so the ubercamp meal plans don't work for me. Plus I decided on a whim to go to the Odeon baby showing of Robocop (yes really) which was at noon so I missed lunch apart from a bag of pork scratchings in the cinema.

B: tea, four slices of streaky bacon (fried in water), mushrooms fried in loads of butter, BPC
L: pork scratchings
Drinks: water, BPC, herbal tea, water, tea, water, another herbal tea, more water
D: roast chicken (thighs, wings and extra skin), steamed broccoli with melted butter poured over

According to MFP that came in at 2188 calories so I certainly haven't starved myself.

Tomorrow will be:
B: four slices of oven-baked streaky bacon, mushrooms fried in butter, BPC
L: thin cut sirloin steak, baby spinach leaves and red little gem lettuce in homemade vinaigrette
D: roast chicken thighs, courgettes fried in butter

BIWI Tue 11-Feb-14 22:46:03

StuntNun - you do know that there is a version of Ubercamp without eggs, don't you? A couple of things use mayo, but only two, I think.

Thumbwitch Tue 11-Feb-14 22:48:11

Re. Rh pos or neg, that's not supposed to make a difference, no. Ah well, it's always interesting to see others' experiences! smile

DS1's tum is fine thank you - turns out it was all a bit dramatic, he was spoken sharply to by the teacher because he was arguing with her, and she said that the colour just drained out of his face and he suddenly clutched his stomach and said it hurt - so it was definitely an adrenaline hit. Silly boy. I was on tenterhooks all night though, because a girl in his class had gone home sick the day before, sort of been fine and eaten her dinner, then started throwing up at 10pm and gone through the night!
AND I had a bad turn myself while sorting washing out of the drier - suddenly felt really sick, had to stand up, then came out in even more of a sweat and got stomach cramps! Was really worried that it was actually a bug and that I had already caught it! But, an hour later, all was fine and I went to bed with no incident (but with a bowl by the side just in case!)

Everyone fine this morning, phew! smile

Today so far I have had a slice of cheese and nothing else; but plan to be very good apart from the cherries which are good for you anyway
I made more parmesan crisps yesterday, they are so good! Just have to keep the DSs away from them! grin
L - not sure but possibly tinned mackerel salad;
D - turkey breasts - haven't decided how to cook them yet, might roast them with lots of butter and have swede mash (leftover from last night)

StuntNun Tue 11-Feb-14 22:50:55

Please don't make me eat avocado BIWI < runs away and hides under the bed >

StuntNun Tue 11-Feb-14 22:50:58

Please don't make me eat avocado BIWI < runs away and hides under the bed >

EvaTheOptimist Tue 11-Feb-14 23:07:52

Thanks Stunt really impressed that that is 79% fat, it just looks like normal food to me now. Well done, hopefully it will do the trick.

MrsHugh my first thought on your menu was Yum, delicious. But if it was me I might have cream a little less often - you had it at 2 meals and in coffee. Depends - if you are losing anyway it doesn't matter.

CrabbyWinterBottom Tue 11-Feb-14 23:45:20

Hugh your menu looked fine to me.

Gatorade that 10lbs will have gone from the bit that you can't see in the changing rooms. Everyone else will notice though. wink

Thanks Pretty. I've sent him a list of links talking about its propensity to cause burns too.

Chester the emoticons don't work if you put any capitals in. Sensitive little things. And yes I've been getting through several tubs of clotted cream a week. blush

Sayra yes I can understand that. It's lovely that they have independent shops but sometimes you just want to nip in, get everything on your list in one place and get out out again without having to make conversation with several different shopkeepers! DD has an NZ passport, the lucky little tyke, as xDP was brought up there, so she could go and live there when she's older if she liked. envy

Thanks Love and Eva. I'm trying hard not to be a bit cross with xDP. He did what he thought was best at the time and it's easy for me to think what I would have done instead when I'm not actually there. The irony is he's usually too very quick to seek medical attention for things and I'm much more wait-and-see. I have asked him not to use iodine on her before though. Part of the problem was that they were on an island for a few days and he didn't think that there was a doctor there. Anyway hopefully she'll have got the dressings off yesterday as they were going to the Dr after we spoke.

Trashy grin at iodine fuckwittery! If I told you how badly sunburned he let her get the first time he ever took her on holiday..... angry sad
Hurrah for your mending ankle and your diminishing waist! flowers

Kate and Chester I'm glad you like the crumble! smile It's terrifyingly moreish.

Stunt do you hate avocado so much you had to beg twice? grin

Food today
L - crustless quiche
S - I'm sure you can guess...
D - smoked mackerel with celeriac dolphin pose and a few green beans (Waitrose own which are only 3.2% carbs, lower than on the list I think).
P - the final portion of crumble and clotted cream. Now I just have to resist the temptation to make more!
3L water, 3 cups tea. A square of 85% chocolate too.

I put the chocolate tart recipe up, although I haven't done the super-duper timings chart yet.

StuntNun Wed 12-Feb-14 06:38:28

Eva there was rather a lot of butter involved. grin Not to mention almost all of the chicken skin, pork scratchings and coconut oil. Normally I eat berries, more veggies, yoghurt, cream and a little bit of 85% chocolate.

I could probably choke down avocado if I had to Crabby but it's forever associated with a food poisoning incident for me so I generally avoid it. Funny really as I'm totally not a fussy eater.

BIWI Wed 12-Feb-14 06:40:39

Whilst I think that chocolate tart sounds lovely, Crabby, and I note that you did also post a warning - can I just point out to you all that berry crumble and chocolate tart do not necessarily a low carb diet make? Just saying, you know?


BIWI Wed 12-Feb-14 06:41:19

Avocado is lovely mashed with blue cheese, StuntNun ... grin

StuntNun Wed 12-Feb-14 06:47:04

Now that might tempt me BIWI gringringrin

StuntNun Wed 12-Feb-14 07:02:01

Does anyone know if MyFitnessPal is particularly inaccurate? It said 21g carbs for me yesterday, or 14g if you subtract the fibre, but reading the labels and looking at the spreadsheet veg carb counter it should have come in at well below 10g of carbs for the day.

MyPreciousRing Wed 12-Feb-14 07:07:28

Morning all
Gone up again - suppose I'm re setting myself after the weekend - which was really carby but was either that or starve. Was a work thing and one choice menu at each meal.
Will just keep at it as I know it works.
Happy LCing everybody

AthelstaneTheUnready Wed 12-Feb-14 07:36:21

morning <yawn>

woke up wondering where heliumheart is - is she alright? i haven't seen anything in ages, but then i haven't had time to read everything in ages. is she just uber busy with the hearing stuff?

Lovecat Wed 12-Feb-14 07:38:10

Stunt, I find that MFP is great for calories and fat content, but a bit slapdash for some other stuff. Given that anyone can input stuff into it, it's a bit like Wiki - you have to find the 'right' type of your food and even then hope that someone's put it in accurately.

If you're reading your labels and have a decent carb counter (the Collins Little Gem one is brilliant) then I'd trust your own calculations.

SayraT Wed 12-Feb-14 08:09:10

I don't know Athelstane I'm sure someone else asked a while back.

I am so sad. I think I regret having my delicious chocolates last night yes, I did eat more than one sad

I couldn't sleep last night and woke up with a headache, I've always had headaches but it occurred to me this morning that I've not had one for ages (at least since I started LCing). That means the chocolate gave me a headache, I am going to take the rest in to work and make everyone else eat them. Won't be doing that again, even a yummy chocolate isn't worth a sore head sad


B: Sausages and coffee with cream
L: Don't know, getting lunch at work because I am doing some training thing for teachers
D: Pork belly slices and vegetables

Very stiff this morning after playing some very hard badminton yesterday, one person left early and then there were only three off us so we played two against one. I was the one......and I won grin

SayraT Wed 12-Feb-14 08:11:36

Obviously I meant 'of' not 'off'

ChesterDrawers Wed 12-Feb-14 08:35:59

Morning all, headache gone after a good nights sleep so it seems I'm not coming down with DS' bug so all good. Going to keep the food LC today so I can enjoy my remaining portion of berry crumble later grin.

B: 1.5 slices belly pork, BPC
L: 1.5 slices belly pork
S: crumble and clotted cream, BPC
D: spag Bol (3G carbs from tomatoes), courgetti spaghetti

Can I ask how people cook belly pork? I've done it twice now and think I need a trip to the dentist. It's always so bloody chewy. First time I did a joint and followed Crabby's recipe and last night I did slices and cooked them on high for 20 mins then low for about and hour and 15. My jaw is killing me after breakfast so any tips much appreciated.

CalamityKate Wed 12-Feb-14 09:13:41

I will tentatively say that I think I may be coming out of my stall.

<crosses legs/fingers/eyes etc>

I was 1/4lb down this morning but weighed before the school run. On my return, I had, um, a bit of a clear out...had I done that before weighing I'm pretty sure I'd have been at least 1/2lb down grin

Definitely not hungry. Or at least its a very different hunger. More controllable iykwim? A calmer hunger. I'm still very wary of missing meals though because I fear getting too hungry and going silly.

BPC again this morning. Can't get over how lovely and creamy it is.

Shame Costa doesn't do them!

StuntNun Wed 12-Feb-14 09:26:54

Chester my DH cooked pork belly slices in the deep fat fryer! Not sure I'd recommend it though it did get them crisp.

What brand of coconut oil do people use? I've just finished the Groovy one from Tesco and the new one I have (can't remember the name) is more coconutty somehow.

Has anyone else turned into a fat-obsessed freak? Yesterday I was scoffing bits of chicken skin while carving the roast chicken; then today I carefully saved the rendered bacon fat from breakfast to fry my steak for lunch.

CalamityKate Wed 12-Feb-14 09:39:50

Stuntnun - yeah I'm a bit fat obsessed too!

I love fat though. I think the reason I've stuck with this - despite griping about stalling and general impatience - is because the food suits me so well. Low fat diets are horrible to me. Leaving the skin off the chicken/cooking with fry light muck/using low fat mayo etc just depresses me. Fat is delicious and filling and satisfying!

PseudoBadger Wed 12-Feb-14 09:44:50

I still can't do skin or actual fat on meat (apart from bacon). But I love using butter, full fat mayo etc.

CalamityKate Wed 12-Feb-14 09:54:23

I could quite happily have all the skin on a chicken and less actual meat smile

I've recently discovered the joys of pork belly. In fact I might have it for lunch again. I can honestly say I'd rather have a plate of pork belly fat than a cake.

SteeleyeStan Wed 12-Feb-14 10:05:24

Mmmm... Crispy chicken skin... drool
Pork fat is supposedly very good for you - lots of MUFA and all that. smile

My slow cooker pork had a predictable fate. DH loved it; I couldn't eat it. It's not going to waste of course - he's gonna eat it all very happily - but just smelling it made me feel sick. Can't wait to have a working oven, so I can roast stuff!

Crabby your poor DD! I'm glad it's not ruining her fun, though.

The berry crumbles and chocolates all look and sound lovely, but it's probably just as well I can't make them! There's no way on earth that I could have any of those sitting in my kitchen and not eat it all!

I don't have a food plan again. Need to do better on that front. Reason is I haven't done a big shopping for this week, so there's nothing here apart from eggs, butter, coconut oil and coffee. Then again, that's plenty for breakfast! grin

it has taken me a long time to get used to eating animal fats. i'm not very keen on chicken skin anyway, but have definitely come to enjoy the fat on pork, beef etc, provided it's cooked properly (melting in a stew or nicely rendered)

with this WOE my tastes have really changed and i'm much more adventurous that i was before. it did take a while for the adjustment to happen though

some things i used to hate but now love:

fatty cuts of meat like pork belly, breast of lamb, shin beef
the fat on bacon
fried eggs
butter (i was brought up on flora and so never got used to the flavour - love it now though)

seriouslion Wed 12-Feb-14 11:23:40

Thanks for the encouragement yesterday, I am going to start recording measurements too. Some of my clothes feel better so there's that.

I know weighing every day isn't ideal but I did this morning, and I'm now back to last Mondays weight. Not a loss, but not the gain I thought. So that's good.

I've never had this much willpower on a 'diet' before so there's no way I'm giving up yet!

Also the effect on my hunger pangs and also digestion has been incredible. In particular there are foods that I thought gave me either wind or indigestion that do nothing of the sort. I've blamed them for years but it was either the carbs or the combination of the two!. Brussel sprouts, cabbage, aubergine etc... All is forgiven! Brussel sprouts fried in butter is my new favourite vegetable.

seriouslion Wed 12-Feb-14 11:25:57

Oh, and its good to hear that you aren't all pounding away at the gym! I do want to start doing something active now I feel like I have the energy to do so, which wasn't the case in the first month!

prettybird Wed 12-Feb-14 11:28:24

The other thing I have got (re)used to is full fat (blue top) milk.

I've stopped buying Gold/low fat spreads for ds to spread on his toast : in summer, I leave a small dish of butter out but in winter because our central heating isn't working well I've had to revert to "spreadable butter" which also has to be left out of the fridge in order to be spreadable

GatoradeMeBitch Wed 12-Feb-14 11:32:55

HIIT is supposed to be a very good regime for people on this WOE, according to Dr Briffa. There are loads of free videos on YouTube showing routines.

CalamityKate Wed 12-Feb-14 11:54:12

Seriouslion - me too!!

I used to be plagued by heartburn and indigestion and always blamed fatty/rich food. Well it's never been more fatty and rich! Nor have I ever eaten and enjoyed so much veg....and I haven't had any problems since the 6th jan. Must be carbs, as you say.

BIWI Wed 12-Feb-14 12:02:18

Stunt - avocado mixed with Roquefort is a marriage made in heaven! On a bed of lettuce, with lemon squeezed over the top. and with a glass of Gewurtztraminer it's even nicer

ChesterDrawers Wed 12-Feb-14 12:19:25

I can't stop eating today. Hoping it's hormonal as it's day 2 of my period and it's all low carb but even so. I'm not hungry as such, just in NEED of stuff.

So far I've had three slices of belly pork, a BPC, two portions of swede crisps in olive oil, S&P and parmesan, a portion of crumble and clotted cream, a little over two litres of water and a fennel tea.

And it's only just gone midday blush. The perils of a day working from home - so much easier in the office!

Am going to try and hold out til 3pm for another BPC then wait til DS is in bed for my spag bol.

ChesterDrawers Wed 12-Feb-14 12:20:34

Oh God, now I want avocado, Roquefort and wine!

Grumble, grumble...

MrsHughJarse Wed 12-Feb-14 12:38:26

Now craving avocado, and Roquefort...... its howling a gale..... might be worth it..... !

sayra. Athelstane twas me asking about helium - I haven't seen her on other ' active ' threads - but I am not a seasoned MNer , so not sure if there is a way to private message her to see if she is ok , or even if this is going against some unwritten MN rule....

eva thanks for the advice - I am only losing half a pound a week - so may try to cut down on cream too - I was using it to ' up' my fat., I can easily do without it.

crabby XDP....... don't get me started - I have full empathy.! Hope DD recovers soon from Iodine fuckwittery..

trashy you just make me smile grin - I love your posts. thinking about you today in your 'office'. its gale force winds and heavy heavy rain in Somerset today --just what we need- I have just lost two roof tiles and a side gate.... but at least I am working inside !

Generally showing MN ignorance.... feeling I am now amongst friends to ask - what does ..iykwim mean ??

prettybird Wed 12-Feb-14 12:45:11

If You Know What I Mean - obvious once it is pointed out iykwim winkgrin

ElBombero Wed 12-Feb-14 13:07:23


Got all my crumble ingredients but no food processor... How do i make the crumble top without?

PrimalLass Wed 12-Feb-14 13:14:01

I was a winey carby twat at the weekend, plus it is totm, so I am relieved to have sts.

Off to read the rest of this new thread.

Woolfey Wed 12-Feb-14 13:14:42

Coincidentally, I have just had said avocado with blue cheese (well, st agur creme) for my lunch with parma ham & spinach leaves. Was yum.

MrsHughJarse I feel for you there in Somerset, it's horrendous weather at the moment, glad you're keeping safe & warm inside. I have to venture out again in a bit with DD2 to pick up DD1 from pre-school. I'm in the Thames Valley and it's blowing a gale and raining like anything again. Just what we need, more rain sad (We're not on the flood plain so should be safe.) I stocked up with food & fuel this morning too although had to go to 3 petrol stations before I found one with fuel and Waitrose had run out of 85% chocolate & swedes of all things! Are you lot panic buying again?

CrabbyWinterBottom Wed 12-Feb-14 13:17:43

El just cut the butter up small and rub it into the almonds with your fingertips, as you would if you were making a flour based crumble. You want it to be the texture of breadcrumbs. smile

MrsHughJarse Wed 12-Feb-14 13:31:41

Thanks * prettybird* ... So obvious - silly me !!

woolfey - yes all very fed up with crazy weather . Just watching the news about the ' red' weather warning ..... Oh joy !

Picture for trashy !

CrabbyWinterBottom Wed 12-Feb-14 13:32:21

Thanks Hugh. He's a good man really and he adores DD - would never knowingly let any harm come to her at all. He can just seem to lack common sense sometimes! confused We've had our ups and downs and periods of animosity over the years but with a lot of compromise and effort on both sides, we have a very good relationship now and I really do consider him part of the family. I did want to give him a good shake when I heard about all this though. hmm I feel impotent as she's so far away and I can't do anything to help her. Still, the main thing is that she's having a great time with a parent who loves her, in a wonderful country in the middle of summer.

<<peers out of window at lashing rain and madly swaying trees>> hmm

I feel so sorry for all the people affected by the flooding. It just seems neverending. Hugh and Woolfey I hope the waters don't reach you!

I got to go and have a cwtch of my neighbour's newborn twin girls today. Sooooooooo cute! I'm not much of a kid person tbh, but there's something so magical about newborn babies - sort of suspended between two worlds. I was a newborn hearing screener for a while and it was lovely getting to hold newborns every day and get paid for it (not much, sadly, or I'd still be doing that job!).

BIWI yes the choccy tart is definitely for special occasions. I don't think the crumble is too bad in moderation - the ground almonds are 6.5% carbs and the berries are 5.5% carbs. The key word there is moderation. So I'm not going to make another one for a while, since I am powerless in the face of it!

BIWI Wed 12-Feb-14 13:47:34


PseudoBadger Wed 12-Feb-14 13:52:06

Nice weather for ducks sad

B - bacon and eggs (it's shopping day so nothing else in the house)
L - left over bolognese and left over celeriac dolphinpose grin and courgettiatelle (can I coin that phrase please?)
D - no idea yet...

CalamityKate Wed 12-Feb-14 13:52:25

Oh see now you've reminded me there's a little bit of crumble left in the fridge.

I had pork belly strips for lunch on their own and BPC for breakfast. According to my calculations <licks pencil> that's no carbs at all, right? So I can have a bit....

CalamityKate Wed 12-Feb-14 13:55:36

Mum it's even nicer after a night in the fridge. Firmer. Stodgier. Mmmm....

CalamityKate Wed 12-Feb-14 13:56:03

Mmmm, not mum.

HeirToTheIronThrone Wed 12-Feb-14 14:00:57

Hello all, just come to shout my shit of the day - I put a little belt on with the dress I am wearing today, the last time I wore it was the second week in January. I reckon it needs a new hole by about 2 inches!! So, despite the fact I am still the same weight, good things are happening.

Have bought the world's most anti-social lunch into work - big pile of salad with both egg mayo and chopped garlic sausage - but it's friffing delicious!

Hope you're all keeping dry and warm - I'm down on the coast in Dorset and the weather is something else!

Woolfey Wed 12-Feb-14 14:13:21

Thanks Crabby, our street is one street up from the flood warning area so we are thankfully safe. The same doesn't go for some other poor people around here though sad

There is no way on earth I'm going to make that crumble or the choc tarts, however gorgeous they look, really, it would be just be too tempting for me and I know I would scoff the lot! grin

Am bearing the crumble and choc tart in mind for next week when I have family coming over. That is if there is a Somerset left to come to! Horrendous.

After promising to be so good on Monday it didn't go that well in the end! DH made us a cuppa and cut us both a slice of Xmas cake. I had eaten half of it before I remembered I wasn't supposed to! blush. Finished the rest too. And then had wine with dinner. And althgh food was fine yesterday more wine was had!

Back on track today. Not great on the water though.

CrabbyWinterBottom Wed 12-Feb-14 14:43:42

Hugh just seen your picture. grin

Blimey Woolfey that's a bit close for comfort!

flowers for Cider and Heir and all the other bootcampers at risk from the weather.

ChesterDrawers Wed 12-Feb-14 15:03:05

My house is now a clotted cream free zone blush

MrsHughJarse Wed 12-Feb-14 15:18:18

Who .... < daringly wags finger at biwi> ... Started the avocado / Roquefort conversation ??
Have now braved mad weather dodging fence panels to go and buy some .....
Of course avacado still hard - so still need to wait !nutter

Lovecat Wed 12-Feb-14 15:26:46

Aaargh Woolfey and Hugh! It is blowing a gale here in East London, I am watching the bastard enormous dead bastard tree in next door's garden with trepidation. Last real storm we had it took the roof off the shed with falling branches - sadly as next door is 3 rented flats the landlord couldn't give a shite about getting the tree lopped so we have this every time there's a high wind... At least we're on top of a hill; half the town would have to be underwater for us to be affected, and we do have the Thames Barrier, I should be grateful for small mercies.

Stay safe, all of you in flood zones thankswine<--- lowcarb

Have just come back from a Valentines' lunch with DH. We can't get a babysitter for Friday so decided to do it today as he was off for his aunt's funeral (not ideal for romance but we'll take what we can get). It was a French place and it all started well - charcuterie plate with pickled courgette (bloody lovely), ignored the crispy bread. Main was steak au poivre with salad. Again, gorgeous. Pud - aargh. I had a dark chocolate tart. Well, I had about 3 teaspoons of a dark chocolate tart, because it was so dense and so dark that it was incredibly filling and I really didn't want any more of it! But 2 glasses of red wine were had, so not good. On the plus side, I'm not feeling any cravings and it was a 'special' meal.

StuntNun Wed 12-Feb-14 15:36:44

Second day of ubercamp --no weight loss yet--:
B: tea, BPC, oven baked bacon, mushrooms fried in butter
L: thin cut steak with spinach in butter, BPC, small piece 85% chocolate
D: two roasted chicken thighs roasted, courgette fried in butter
Coming in at 3% carbs, 20% protein, 77% fat and totalling 9g net carbs according to MFP.

MrsHughJarse Wed 12-Feb-14 15:45:52

Completely off at a tangent .... too scared of Style and beauty threads
Anyone tried Levi 'curve' jeans .... ? Any good ... looking to replace ancient and according to DD1 - seriously embarrassing bootcuts but have tree trunk legs so skinnies don't fit and look ridiculous

CalamityKate Wed 12-Feb-14 16:08:04

I've got a pair of curve jeans. They're nice. They don't bag at the waist as much as other types smile

CrabbyWinterBottom Wed 12-Feb-14 16:41:23

I want crumble!!! <<wails piteously>>

I am desperately craving comfort food, and the carbier the better. I just had a moment of agony thinking about a chicken sandwich on lovely crusty bread. sad

I think I may have to let myself have the low carb comfort food to alleviate the premenstrual madness.

poor crabby

it is totally understandable that food is comforting - not just from a social/upbringing perspective, but also from an evolutionary perspective - we need food to survive so the fact that it triggers pleasure responses is to our advantage (like sex wink)

i think there was an experiment iirc where they suppressed the pleasure responses to help people lose weight, and they all became horribly depressed because they had no pleasure in anything else either (not just food) and no motivation to do anything

makes sense if you have to go out and gather/hunt food, but not so helpful in a world of 24/7 supermarkets sad

CrabbyWinterBottom Wed 12-Feb-14 16:57:04

Thank you Willie. Does that mean I should have crumble? [hopeful]

I know I shouldn't. I've just got that insatiable urge to eat. Not because I'm hungry, just for the feel of it. I feel all wrong! (as an elderly lady I used to work with would say).

SteeleyeStan Wed 12-Feb-14 17:01:54

I'm having a very stressful day with our house buying malarky; nothing major going wrong, but many little things going less than well, and everything feels very unsure. I want to drown my worries in a vat of wine and ice cream. That crusty bread would go well, too. As it is, I whipped up a load of double cream, and now my coffee is more melty cream than coffee.

I like a lot of low carb foods, but never really found that comfort element in any. I think therein lies its success too - it's not "emotional food" and doesn't get the brain chemistry singing the way sugar/starch does. But sigh.

haha no not necessarily! grin

it's just what i remind myself when it all feels so bloody difficult and it's only sodding food! (i do have a history of disordered eating though). but round my period i also get the urge to eat ALL THE THINGS

is there anything else that will distract or help you feel comforted a bit? i save up crappy tv programmes on the digibox and if i have time watch one with some knitting (to keep my hands busy)

i guess the carb comfort/pleasure thing might be explained in an evolutionary way (in my entirely unscientific and unreferenced thinking!)

carbs are easy, quick energy, so the body will send greater pleasure signals for that. also in nature, sweet things tend not to be poisonous, so it is helpful that we respond to that. of course sweet fruits etc wouldn't have been available all year round - only in summer/autumn when you need to bulk up for the lean times, so putting on weight would have been a good thing and the pleasure responses would have encouraged that

blethering on...

having had disordered eating patterns in the past (restricting and overeating food), i find that thinking about it as i described above helps alleviate the guilt and self-flagellation that comes with my problems with food. i'm not craving or overeating certain things because i'm bad or stupid or disgusting - it's partly (on a personal level) a learned response to certain situations, but also there are good reasons why the body and brain want certain things, which are rooted in survival and perpetuation of the species

GatoradeMeBitch Wed 12-Feb-14 17:24:56

With all the Valentine's Day/Easter chocs around this berry crumble cannot get made fast enough!

GatoradeMeBitch Wed 12-Feb-14 17:26:31

Confession - I ordered Haagen Dazs Dulce de Leche icecream in the shopping order. I wasn't planning to eat it nowish, I just wanted it in the freezer. But it got lost en-route to me. It's probably for the best.


Nux Wed 12-Feb-14 17:42:15

Hi All,

Just wanted so say Hi and that I'm still here <waves>, not in the boards much but lurking and quietly losing weight :-). Wanted to say a big thank you to Biwi and Crabby for their lovely recipes (Shepherds Pie and Kashmiri Chicken respectively) and to give a big cheer to Chester for sticking with it. Well done :-).

ChesterDrawers Wed 12-Feb-14 17:42:28

I want to eat all the things tooooooo. I am during-menstual, if that's even a word, and DH is flying into the UK tonight and i am scared because of the wind <wibble>

ChesterDrawers Wed 12-Feb-14 17:43:22

Perfect cross-post blush

AthelstaneTheUnready Wed 12-Feb-14 17:59:12

pre, peri and post MT, Chester, you're allowed all three excuses [innocent face]

SteeleyeStan Wed 12-Feb-14 17:59:55

That all sounds like a lot of sense, Willie.

Horrible horrible horrible weather. I do hope you're all fine and safe, and so are your homes and loved ones. sad

AthelstaneTheUnready Wed 12-Feb-14 18:01:31

[pressed send too soon...]

... i.e. before, during and after MT.

I too am unsure of MN etiquette if someone goes AWOL, but may message anyway and risk being uncouth.

STILL not caught up, just skimmed; am also feeling all 'wrong' today, but inclined to blame the fish I had at lunch [bleurgh face]

teaandthorazine Wed 12-Feb-14 18:03:19

I don't think the weather is helping with all the comfort-food carby cravings! I've just come in soaking wet from the station, it's freezing and blowing a gale outside; it's sooooo tempting to jump head first into a vat of chocolate (perhaps not literally!). I have three pairs of socks on, people!

But...instead I'm going to fry up some chicken thighs in coconut oil, then a bit of steak as well. Ds and I are going to share steak and fried chicken grin - feels decadent! I'm doing roasted broccoli and steamed Savoy cabbage, slathered in butter, to go with it. I think it'll be pretty comforting!

EwanHoozami Wed 12-Feb-14 18:19:07

Sweet thing cravers: Chromium Picolinate is often recommended for helping curb the urge. It's apparently good for controlling blood sugar metabolism. I've gone back to using it after a wagon fall bought my sweet cravings back. Seems to have worked..

Double meat, tea - sounds goooood! love a bit of coop & turf.

Willie That makes such good sense about the hunter-gather brain reward thing. I suppose our huntery-gathery ancestors would have got pleasure from their paleo-style diet so I'm going to make like a cavewoman and get happy off a chicken drumstick grin

EwanHoozami Wed 12-Feb-14 18:19:42

...hang on that sounds all wrong. Scratch that. confused

CrabbyWinterBottom Wed 12-Feb-14 18:23:10

Willie you are very wise and self aware. I totally agree about the evolutionary advantage of being attracted to sweet tastes and easy energy, and eating as much as possible for lean times ahead. Big is beautiful, still, in cultures where food shortages are not such a distant memory.

I don't have the history of disordered eating so much, but definitely a history of seeking solace and comfort outside of myself whenever I feel bad... drinking, eating, other drugs in the past. The more clean living I get in other ways (don't smoke or take any recreational drugs any more), the more I want food and wine to press those buttons and 'soften the edges'. I find it very difficult to just 'sit with' a feeling, if that makes any sense. Particularly anxiety and frustration.

Crisis averted, anyway. I mashed up some butter with garlic, black pepper and loads of thyme, and slathered it all over and inside the roast chicken I bought today because it was reduced. That's in the oven. I used a Y shaped peeler to slice wafer thin slices of celeriac, then melted some of the herby butter on a baking tray and tossed them in it. Sprinkled with smoked paprika and salt and baked until they were crispy burnt. Had them with leftover alioli mixed with lemon juice. They were just the thing!!

Steel sorry you're having such a stressful day with the moving.

Nux glad you like the chicken. smile

Chester DH will be fine - they won't land if it isn't safe. Where's he flying in to?

GatoradeMeBitch Wed 12-Feb-14 18:46:30

Hmm, I think I'd better buy some chromium then. I'm irritated with myself because I'm starting to see results - so immediately a bit of my brain goes 'Look, you've got a bit of leeway now! Have a creme egg!'

Actually I think part of the problem is I have gone back to my usual routine of looking in the fridge at mealtimes, and then deciding what to have. And I'm leaving meals late. I had dinner at 10pm the other day. I need to go back to meal plans, to make sure I'm getting variety.

DurhamDurham Wed 12-Feb-14 18:49:24

I have been to M&S to buy our Valentine's Day dine in for two meal. I know it's a bit naff but it's a tradition of ours grin
I will be going slightly off piste carb wise but I think I made good choices. I got a started called 'Runny Eggs' which consists of eggs, spicy sausage and spicy tomato sauce. Main is rack of lamb and for a side I went for the veg pack. Not too bad so far.
Desserts were all very carbs so I thought sod it and went for one that I could cheerfully have inhaled on the spot. So I chose salted caramel cheesecake.
A bottle of Cava and some chocolates were also included in the deal. I will stick to one glass of Cava and let dh drink the rest. I may not let him eat most of the chocolates, but I will let him half his share.

I'm going to be sooo good until Friday, I'm going to be like an especially good low carb nun. Practically evangelical. Then I will get right back on the wagon on Saturday.

HeirToTheIronThrone Wed 12-Feb-14 19:21:41

grin at Ewan and the happy chicken legs

Dinner chez Heir tonight is salmon, asparagus, garlic butter greens and hollandaise. Yum yum yum. Mr H is also having a baked potato, the fool.

ChesterDrawers Wed 12-Feb-14 19:24:51

Just spoke to DH. He's flying to Heathrow. He assures me the plane will be fine as 'Man U and Arsenal are still playing' hmm. So that's that sorted then!

PseudoBadger Wed 12-Feb-14 19:24:56

I'm having a Crabby night tonight - making the Salmon with dill sauce (that auto corrected to dull!) and then maybe this crumble lark.

teaandthorazine Wed 12-Feb-14 19:33:08

The coop and turf (thanks Ewan!) was fab. I can thoroughly recommend Aldi's 21-day dry-aged rump steak; it was meltingly good. Only £3.50 for a good-sized piece as well, definitely cheaper than most places and appears to be excellent quality. So there's my little Aldi ad for the day grin

crabby' your post below struck a chord with me - especially the bit about living 'cleaner' these days but still needing that 'something' to indulge in... Food (and to a lesser extent, booze) are my only remaining vices - if I clean up my act there, what's left?!

MrsHughJarse Wed 12-Feb-14 19:33:42

gatorade grin at Creme egg .... Am from same mould ... My jeans are feeling loose so I poured myself a wine ... <eyes it with guilt> may not drink it , depends on how long my pork belly takes in the oven !

MyPreciousRing Wed 12-Feb-14 19:40:21

Awww, my commiserations to all you having cravings out there.
I've had a good day today food wise and water wise.
Three rashers of bacon for breakfast
Half litre of coffee with double cream
Two litres of water and still going
Lunch was lush - salmon with cauliflower and cheese
Just had lovely dinner, rump steak in a mushroom sauce with some onion.

Feel full and satisfied.

BIWI Wed 12-Feb-14 20:18:10

MrsHughJarse - you have spotted the obvious flaw in my plan, i.e. the procuring of a perfectly ripe avocado! I'm hopeless at judging the buggers.

PseudoBadger Wed 12-Feb-14 20:28:27

A very un-arty photo of my version of Crabby's Salmon in a dill, shallot and butter sauce

PseudoBadger Wed 12-Feb-14 20:29:36


GatoradeMeBitch Wed 12-Feb-14 20:36:22

That crumble really hit the spot, thank you! My only problem now is the fact that I've had one helping, and there are about 8 helpings left... and they're calling to me...

GatoradeMeBitch Wed 12-Feb-14 20:38:09

I'm going to brush my teeth, I hate eating when I have toothpaste mouth, that always works.

humanordancer Wed 12-Feb-14 20:40:40

A whoosh, a whoosh, a real life whoosh! grin

EvaTheOptimist Wed 12-Feb-14 20:51:02

I can't believe your fat- protein-carb ratios Stunt they are brilliant!

looks like yummy salmon pseudo

I might follow your lunch suggestion of cauliflower cheese tomorrow MPR

When there are no vices left because we're all eating and drinking sensibly there is still the new vice in town: spending too much time on MN

Doshusallie Wed 12-Feb-14 20:51:22

2 boiled eggs

Lettuce "sandwiches" of ham and mayo, with cucumber slices

Pot of full fat yoghurt I nicked from a premier inn breakfast bar (7.5g of carbs per pot though!!! shock)

Tine of mackerel fillets in sunflower oil

G&t (slimline) x 2

3 Heck (from tescos v low carb) sausages with courgette, mushrooms and broccoli with butter

Just had to write that all down somewhere

Doshusallie Wed 12-Feb-14 20:51:52

* tin

PseudoBadger Wed 12-Feb-14 20:58:09

Sorry for posting pic twice, the first one didn't show up straight away

Piscivorus Wed 12-Feb-14 22:02:58

Just popping in for a quick shit shout! We have battened down the hatches here as we are on the coast, smack in the middle of the 100mph danger wind zone (near Blackpool) and it is blowing a hooley out there. Have had a couple of loud bangs outside so we know we have some damage but we're not going out to check what until tomorrow!

Ooh Blackpool is on the news as we speak!

QueenQueenie Wed 12-Feb-14 22:13:16

Hiya Losers.
Had the most delicious supper of pork stir fry with lots of garlic / ginger / chili, followed by a bowl of delicious crumble courtesy of Crabby's recipe. It was luverly. I shall be having the rest for breakfast.

Piscivorus Wed 12-Feb-14 22:23:12

Crabby Your puddings sound gorgeous. I am resisting valiantly so far

I finished off the Mary Berry korma tonight, it is one of the nicest curries I have ever made so worth a look in her big cookery book if you can find it (can't find it online)

Can I just say BLUE CHEESE... BLEEURGH! It's milk that's gone off with mould on it! envy

BIWI Wed 12-Feb-14 22:47:00


When I was 16/17 I went on a 3 week holiday geography trip in the summer holidays. One of the places we went to was the caves where they make Roquefort. It's a bit like a James Bond film set! But the smell is incredible. I had to make a decision there and then whether orn ot I was going to chuck up or like blue cheese.

I like blue cheese.

thekitchenfairy Wed 12-Feb-14 23:13:43

Hello campers!

Just popping in as I can't seem to get into spreadsheet.. I have stayed the same, Can someone update me so i dont drop off the spreadsheet please. Tis v wet and wild down here in Cornwall so tinternet connection is patchy and I am too tired to persevere tonight!

Will catch up n thread tomorrow, looking forward to all the inspirational stories of this week grin

How do you guys manage to keep up with this thread, so many posts to read!!! and not enough time. Will try catch up tomorrow.

I've been busy building nursery furniture today since it's my day off. I think I've eaten better though.

Breakfast - 2 slices of Leerdammer Original, 2 slices each of prosciutto, salami and chorizzo.

Dinner - 2 sausages, 2 bacon, 100g mushrooms cooked in lots of butter.

Tea - 2 Bird's Eye Sticky & Sweet Bbq Chicken Chargrills. Was busy so just chucked these in the oven.

I have also had 2 squares of Tesco 85% Chocolate.

My Fitness Pal says I have eaten Fat=62% Protein=27% Carbs=11% 35g carbs. How many grams is everyone aiming not to go over?

CrabbyWinterBottom Thu 13-Feb-14 00:00:28

grin at Ewan getting happy off a chicken drumstick and Durham being an especially good low carb nun. grin

Chester hope he's landed safely by now. Not quite seeing the logic of Arsenal game= safe flying conditions, grin but still, the winds have died right down now, thankfully.

Tea I'll never clean up my act entirely, I don't think - I'll always have a fuckit button that gets pressed every now and then. I really feel the benefits of eating well and drinking less, so the fuckit moments are diminishing I think. Plus, I really do enjoy this WOE and there are treats on it that I really love.

Oh god that's made me think about crumble again. hmm I see you're having the same problem Gator and Queenie. What have I done, starting this crumble madness? BIWI will be beating me with the big stick for tempting you all from the path of righteousness. grin

Pseudo that looks fab! Did you enjoy it?

Pisci stay safe! Hope you aren't affected too badly by it.

Micro if you're following bootcamp rules (and not eating too much crumble like me) then you don't need to worry about counting carbs.

Food today
L - crustless quiche
S - greek yoghurt 'ice cream'.
S - pesto. Square chocolate (not together).
S - celeriac crisps with lemony alioli. Delicious.
D - roast chicken with broccoli and celeriac dolphin pose.
3L water, 3 cups tea.

Please will you bastards all shut the hell up about avocado and sodding blue cheese? I am dairy free ffs and it's a serious temptation!

My good grief I'm getting later and later everyday! I feel so tired. I have got less chin than I had, though which is ace.

Food today

B - Bacon, scramb egg, fried tomato slice

L - Tuna, mayo, few lil gem leaves, baby spinach leaves

S - Mr Porky

D - Belly pork, prawns, wilted spinach

all cooking done in frying pan with lashings butter

Late supper - three bits of back bacon

5 liters water

I am suffering heartburn. Tips anyone?

mrsHughJarse Love the pic grin grin grin That was nearly me today!! It was raining upwards! Into my nostrils. My waterproof was the tits though, grin and I was out with a record of ten dogs! Only six were under my direct care though! I run a doggy social on a Wednesday and meet up with others to walk together. It was a riot today! Very good fun. I hope you guys are holding out ok down there - I lived in a little village 3 miles from Ilminster when I was a young un. We had some pretty severe flooding then, but nothing on the scale of now. Fingers crossed for you all!

crabby cwtch them babies for me please. I love newborns much better than actual children All you need to do is sit on your bum surrounded by 'supplies' and they don't get bored or anything. Twins! I got me a set of those. But whereas I ordered identical girls, there seemed to be a mishap, and I got ds 2 and 3, NONE MATCHING!!

humanordancer <blowing my whoosh bugle excitedly in honour of your whoosh>

pisco no, you may say nothing derogatory about the holiest of holy cheeses angry grin

Love you all, good night xx

StuntNun Thu 13-Feb-14 06:47:37

Microchips most people get the best weight loss staying below 50g carbs although some people prefer to keep it below 20g. Others, particularly men, can lose weight while eating between 50-100g of carbs a day, particularly if you do a lot of exercise. If you follow the Bootcamp rules then you shouldn't need to worry about counting calories or carbs.

My mum is over to visit - I wonder what she's going to say about my fridge full of lard, beef dripping, goose fat and huge amounts of butter.

AthelstaneTheUnready Thu 13-Feb-14 07:14:33


Crabby, I too have a very large fuckit button. Also having fewer and fewer moments, but am certain as certain can be that some time over the next few months there will be a fuckit evening. Strangely, fuckit only ever leads to prosecco and those guylian chocolates. Nothing else. But it leads to a LOT of them, and my hands are always in agony the next day, let alone the other side effects.

Power cut here yesterday evening, and a flooded river. not quite up to the front door thankfully, as was flooded just some months ago and not ready to do it again just yet. As the toll down south mounts to over 1,000 flooded homes, in the north we can't help but remember 5 years ago when over 25,000 homes flooded up here and the country in general went... meh.

moving on... hope to get decision on new house today, so not homeless in 3 weeks time. fingers crossed.

RatherBeOnThePiste Thu 13-Feb-14 07:19:55

Morning all smile

Sadly not able to keep up at the mo, v busy in Woolly Hugs sad

But am still on the Bootcamp wagon

Love to all affected by flooding, scary times, we have two friends who have had to evacuate from Shepperton, just so worried about it all.


TossedSaladsAndScrambledEggs Thu 13-Feb-14 07:21:40

Trashcanjunkie, for heartburn you can buy ranitidine over the counter, always did the job with my pregnancy heartburn.

hope people are safe and warm and dry - the forecast still looks horrendous

BIWI Thu 13-Feb-14 07:43:19

Oh no, Pistey sad

... and [guilty face] I haven't got further than about 4 rows in my latest square. Will remedy that this weekend.

stuntnun my mum can get behind the low carbing (she is a GP and recommends low carbing in particular to menopausal women with strong symptoms) but she cannot get on board with the high fat aspect. i have to take my own butter and full fat mayonnaise when i go and visit (yes, i'm one of those guests! though it's sort of ok when it's your own parents i hope). that said i don't actually talk to her very much about this WOE because we have a slightly tricky relationship when it comes to food

BIWI Thu 13-Feb-14 07:48:13


Your menu:

Breakfast - 2 slices of Leerdammer Original, 2 slices each of prosciutto, salami and chorizzo.
Dinner - 2 sausages, 2 bacon, 100g mushrooms cooked in lots of butter.
Tea - 2 Bird's Eye Sticky & Sweet Bbq Chicken Chargrills. Was busy so just chucked these in the oven.
I have also had 2 squares of Tesco 85% Chocolate.

Where is your veg/salad? Apart from the mushrooms, which will account for less than half a gram of carbs all your other carbs have come from processed food.

The chicken will have been full of sugar, and you've had more sugar in the chocolate - even if it is 85% cocoa.

Have you read Bootcamp rules? We're avoiding processed foods and artificial ingredients and aiming to get our carbs from fresh veg and salad.

You don't need to worry about counting carbs if you're following Bootcamp, but those proportions that you have managed look
OK - notwithstanding my comments above!

BIWI Thu 13-Feb-14 07:50:28

Athelstane - I remember that flooding - and yes, you're right, the media has gone into a bit of a frenzy about the South.

But it's still horrible to watch it all happening.

Thankfully <crosses fingers> where we are it seems to be OK. We're not that close to the river (the Wandle runs through SW London) that we would be at risk, I don't think.

heliumheart Thu 13-Feb-14 07:59:29

Hello everyone. smile Am very touched that a couple of you were asking after me yesterday and Athelstane brought a tear to me' eye by sending me a PM.

I've been wobbling a bit, although haven't put any weight back on. But the main reason for it all is that I feel like my world has imploded. Had the hearing last week, my ex made some serious allegations about me and now social services are heavily involved. I had my first visit yesterday. It feels so shameful, even though I am a good mum and my children are thriving. Thankfully had their report from nursery last week and it was exemplary; they are shining little stars amongst all this. The SW also dropped the bombshell that my ex is saying he wants 50 50 week on/ week off contact. I know some people do this but I firmly believe it is not right for our children at this time.

Anyway, that's the reason I've not been here. I am trying to cling on to eating properly and keeping off the wine because it won't do anything to my mental clarity to also have to deal with any compulsive eating etc. Think I'll try to keep on the thread because it was a great support, but am annoyed I've not lost any more weight!!

Hope everyone else has been good..!

heliumheart Thu 13-Feb-14 08:03:06

In the spirit of contributing to the thread rather than just declaring my woes, I thought I should share this fabulous broccoli recipe. It's so fabulous it's all I had for dinner a couple of nights ago.

Best Roasted Broccoli

I didn't bother with the pine nuts, and also I put the garlic in a few minutes before the end or leave it in the skin, otherwise it gets burnt.

PseudoBadger Thu 13-Feb-14 08:08:32

Crabby it was lovely thanks, my dill was a bit past its best which probably altered the flavour. I'll definitely do it again!

I also made the crumble but only had raspberries and blueberries, which were very tasty. The topping was rather, erm, crumbly! Would adding more butter give it more substance, or maybe I didn't mix it enough?

As I'm a complete stalker tonight I'm making your fish stew!

PseudoBadger Thu 13-Feb-14 08:11:41

Lovely to see you Helium, I'm sorry you're having a shite time sad
Broccoli looks great, would that work without the Parmesan do you think?

heliumheart Thu 13-Feb-14 08:19:17

Definitely, it's nice just roasted with the salt/pepper/oil. Although I think the parmesan makes it more tasty. I cooked up two heads of broccoli and ate the lot blush