Week 2 - Low Carb Bootcamp Jan 2014

(955 Posts)
BIWI Sun 19-Jan-14 21:03:04

Wow! So much nattering that we've filled up the thread before the end of the week!

Here's the link to the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness for tomorrow morning.

And, for the Weight Tracker I'm not quite sure what happens with this link I think that you will be asked to enter your weight for this week and then you will see your individual graph.

I hope you all had a good week last week, and very good luck for week 2.

RatherBeOnThePiste Sun 19-Jan-14 21:11:52

Huzzah! Je suis ici smile

Thanks BIWI. Here's for a good week for all

BIWI Sun 19-Jan-14 21:16:43

Eh bien! Ecoutez et repetez ...

MyPreciousRing Sun 19-Jan-14 21:26:59

The weight tracker link is a carb counter for veg?

MaeMobley Sun 19-Jan-14 21:29:01

weighing in tomorrow!!!!

LauraBridges Sun 19-Jan-14 21:37:15


PseudoBadger Sun 19-Jan-14 21:46:18

Very excited about weigh in (and measure-in)

RatherBeOnThePiste Sun 19-Jan-14 22:02:45

Badger - which bits you measuring? I have a tape measure!

BIWI Sun 19-Jan-14 22:03:40

The weight tracker doesn't become available until midnight!

MyPreciousRing Sun 19-Jan-14 22:05:46

Ah right!
Eager beaver

BIWI Sun 19-Jan-14 22:05:54

I don't actually know what's going to happen tomorrow morning, (i.e. from midnight onwards), but I believe that when you clock into mumsnet.com/bootcamp that you will be able to enter this week's weight, and that your individual graph will appear.

It's like the Marauder's map in Hogwart's, isn't it? grin

PseudoBadger Sun 19-Jan-14 22:06:28

It's pretty crude Pistey, bum, one thigh (couldn't be arsed with 2!), hips and waist. I know I've shrunk as I'm currently wearing a onesie an item of clothing that DP gave me for Christmas which didn't fit, it's now baggy!

Gerrythetootallgiraffeswife Sun 19-Jan-14 22:10:44

Hooray for week 2!

fizzly Sun 19-Jan-14 22:36:57

Hello! Checking back in for first time in a couple of days. Had hen do yesterday and basically the weekend has been a write off from a BC point of view. Not going to record my weekend's intake because it's nothing to be proud of - and there was loooooads of booze. I always new this would happen and so am raring to get back on it. Next thing on the horizon that might derail me again is on the 14th Feb so I'm going to be super good between now and then.

Not expecting to have lost at all at weigh in tomorrow (this is week two for me so have had the initial big dip already). but looking forward to trying the new gadgets anyway.

Lovecat Sun 19-Jan-14 23:02:09

Marking my place for tomorrow - goodnight all and good luck! grin

keeponkeepinon Sun 19-Jan-14 23:02:35

Been mad busy this week so been skim reading the thread to try and catch up. Really enjoyed my food in week 1 and not a jot of hunger. Must pay tribute to Crabbys website and recipes - the cauliflower cheese and puttanesca went down a storm over here. Dh declared them both a total keeper and the dcs wolfed them too! Thank you! Firmly on this week's menu along with the kashmiri chicken.
I noticed on the days the children ate mostly lower carb they settled better at bedtime. I really want to helget them on board with ditching the sugar. My dd even saidshe wanted a mummy breakfast this mmorning and she wasn't going to eat sugar. I've never talked about diet or weight in front of them just healthy eating. So they are learning that sugar is unhealthy.
Its the school lunchbox thats a challenge.
What a ramble of a post...sorry!

CrabbyWinterBottom Sun 19-Jan-14 23:47:02

Thanks so much Keepon - that made me beam with pride! grin I'm really glad you enjoyed them. smile

Food today...
L - crispy bacon, fried tomatoes and mozzarella
S - pork scratchings
D - roast chicken with brussels sprouts and swede mash. I used some leftover celeriac mash from last night to thicken the gravy and it was delicious.
P - yoghurt with clotted cream, vanilla and flaxseed
Glass of red, too much tea, plenty of water

NellVarnish Mon 20-Jan-14 00:03:18

Just checking in ready for tomorrow's Big Reveal.

Crabby do you have a link to your website please? Must've missed it in the 1000 posts of W1!

Good luck everyone!

CrabbyWinterBottom Mon 20-Jan-14 00:10:36

Nell it's here. I haven't posted on it in ages but I want to start again during this bootcamp. I wish I could have been bothered to photograph DP making the braised pigs' cheeks earlier. I wasn't feeling very well and couldn't be arsed to set the lights up and faff around trying to make it all look nice! grin I'll do it next time though as that's an amazing recipe and very cheap.

Piscivorus Mon 20-Jan-14 00:13:23

Yes Crabby Link please

I am really struggling to sleep, fine once I am off but just cannot get to sleep. It's often after 3am when I get to sleep so am constantly knackered.

thenightsky Mon 20-Jan-14 00:14:26

Thank God you're all here. I panicked for a moment when I saw other thread full.

Good day here. was home alone so only cooking for me. Drank wine, but otherwise ok.

Spend 3 hours watching 'The men who made us fat' which was very enlightening.

ChippingInWadesIn Mon 20-Jan-14 00:24:20

Hi all, just caught up on the end of the last thread (since yesterday lunchtime).

BIWI - hope your head is feeling better now smile Sometimes you just have to do it don't you!

Jax - OUCH hope you are feeling much better!

Nux ya ninny. If I had a loss of 8.5lbs in one week I'd check to see if both arms were still attached grin

I was hoping for a good glycogen loss week 1 - but alas, no - only a couple of lbs. Not sure I will have lost anything this week and I can't put the scales where they normally go, but will see in the morning.

Food has been 'on track' but I'm not drinking enough water sad

I have only lost a pound. I think I may have overdone it on the cheese. I'm going to go without next week and see if that tweaks it. Also, looking at BIWIs rules, I'm supposed to drink 4 litres of water a day and I had misread and have drunk 3 per day... Nevermind, we'll see what happens next week. Bumfuck.

hazchem Mon 20-Jan-14 01:55:24

Lost almost 2 pounds smile

Some mention that Sweden has changed it's dietary stance to low carb wondering if anyone has any links? As the Nordic Nutrition Recommendation www.norden.org/en/publications/publikationer/nord-2013-009 looks pretty similar to the UK/Oz recommending lean meat and wholegrains with 60% of energy coming from carbs.

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 20-Jan-14 06:05:16

Morning Losers smile brew


4 pounds gone here, will do measuring in a min, thanks Badger, think I'll do me norks as well. Quite hoping to hang on to those I'll not deny.

MyPreciousRing Mon 20-Jan-14 06:19:31

Sorry BIWI
I must be missing an invisibility cloak - still veg carb counter wink
Off to weigh self for spreadsheet

MrsPnut Mon 20-Jan-14 06:31:40

Myprecious - it's in. Writing right at the top of the page. It should say add/edit weight. It's quite small.

I lost 4lb this week, I'm pleased with that. I've had quite a bit of dairy and the odd bit of higher carb veg. Onwards and downwards.

MyPreciousRing Mon 20-Jan-14 06:35:30

Not lost anything since yesterday. Was .4 up and then had a 1&2 (tmi!)
Back down the .4 shock
So that's an awesome 8 pounds loss (8.1 if want to be precise)
Happy LCing everyone

MyPreciousRing Mon 20-Jan-14 06:38:07

Thanks mrs pnut - will take another look

Woolfey Mon 20-Jan-14 06:39:21

I've lost a 1lb more than my target so I'm happy. Meal plan for the day is:
B Left over bubble & squeak with a fried egg on top
L Chicken salad (at McDonalds eek!)
D Spare ribs & salad
S Cheese & ham

Have a good day smile

Lovecat Mon 20-Jan-14 06:41:31

Morning! grin

I've lost 2.8lb and am very pleased with that - I haven't been drinking as much water as I know I should be, so I wasn't expecting a huge loss. But I have enjoyed amazing food and not felt the least bit hungry or deprived ignores lack of gin so I'm very, very happy smile

Onwards & Downwards!

Crabby, that link didn't work - I'd like to see your website too, if that's ok?

tibbysmum Mon 20-Jan-14 06:41:35

4lbs!!! grin

teaandthorazine Mon 20-Jan-14 06:43:43

Ok, I reckon my scales are crook. Because yesterday they said I hadn't lost anything, and today they say I have lost 4lbs! I'll go with that, I think! grin

Well done all, roll on week 2!

sybilfaulty Mon 20-Jan-14 06:59:00

Morning everyone! Some great losses here. Well done everyone. I've drunk some tea already which will skew mine so I'm going to weigh tomorrow.

one week down, one more BC to go. Then fruit, nuts and booze await (in v small amounts of course!)


StuntNun Mon 20-Jan-14 07:03:45

Woolfey if you can, take your own dressing to McDonalds as the ones they have are rubbish empty calories so you'll be starving five minutes later. Iirc the flamegrilled chicken and bacon salad is lowest carb and highest calories.

Remember TooMuch that your children's nutritional demands are a bit different to yours as they are growing and also presumably don't need to lose weight. So carrots, potatoes, rice and a small amount of whole grains can be included in their diet. It is hard to know where to draw the line though. I want my children to eat healthily but I also want to allow them to be children and eat ice cream, biscuits etc. occasionally.

One pound off for me but I blame DH for making deep fried pork belly slices last night for a snack! I wasn't even hungry but they were too delicious to resist. At least they were low carb but I don't want to think about the calorie count.

thekitchenfairy Mon 20-Jan-14 07:05:42

Morning all!!
Just a quick one to say 2lb down on Fri, unexpected wend away to celebrate a special first birthday. I decided on balance to do a BCLight weekend, SIL low-carbs but long car journey with DM was a challenge! I stayed away from the cake and snacks but wine was enjoyed. There will be damage but accepting sometimes life just gets in the way and this was much too special to stay home and BC!!

So a super strict few days for me, lots of water, have the cold from hell and do not wish to eat anything but will take lettuce egg mayo and ginger (for tea) to work as Lemsip is out.

Look forward to catching up with the thread later, have a good day ladies. Onwards and downwards...grin

Arbuthnot Mon 20-Jan-14 07:07:52

Was doing really well and had lost 3lbs but failed spectacularly at the weekend and am now a 1lb up sad

On a positive note it has given me the kick up the arse I need to actually do this properly! Am looking forward to this week and a much better next Monday!!

Arbuthnot Mon 20-Jan-14 07:11:01

(Did consider cheating but actually I think part of facing my disasterous eating will be honesty!)

scratchviolet Mon 20-Jan-14 07:20:00

Woo hoo! 3lbs off added to 4.5lbs last week on soft launch. One happy loser here! My phone can't cope with the Spreadsheet so will update later.
Good luck everyone for this week

LucyVFood Mon 20-Jan-14 07:21:26

Morning. I've lost 2lbs this week , which is great cos I'm 1lb off a stone from 2nd Jan! Happy. grin

blizy Mon 20-Jan-14 07:22:59

Morning all! I am down another 2 1/4 lbs, that's pretty much 8lbs off in 2 weeks (I done the soft start to BC). I am so pleased with this, even sceptical dh is thinking about joining now.

FourArms Mon 20-Jan-14 07:23:22

Just 0.8lb down for the week, but I'm fine with that as I've been LC for months (including over Chrisrmas) so didn't expect the initial big loss.

But as of yesterday I've lost 3 stone since 29/8 smile

blizy Mon 20-Jan-14 07:26:02

FourArms, that is bloody fantastic! You must be so proud of yourself. I really wish I had looked into this woe before now.

Seri77 Mon 20-Jan-14 07:28:14

3.5lbs off here so very happy. Assume most of that was bloat and glycogen stores. Having stuffed my face in a low carb fashion for last 2 weeks, I think my appetite is starting to decrease.

Went to French restaurant at weekend, ignored the bread, didn't eat the delicious looking potatoes, just had fish and veg. It was lovely and I had no room for the cheeseboard.

Things to focus on this week: maintaining adequate water intake at work, not eating cheese at every opportunity.

ChesterDrawers Mon 20-Jan-14 07:29:45

Bit down as not lost anything this week sad. But I am on week 3 and believe its notorious for weight loss to slow down. Gonna try to keep the dairy down a bit too - too easy to overeat.

Keeping on keeping on.


B: scrambled eggs and butter
L: salmon salad
D: beef stroganoff, swede mash, broccoli

Notsoskinnyminny Mon 20-Jan-14 07:31:55

4 off for me and 2.75 inches, my phone doesn't like the SOF so I'll update tonight. Have a good day everyone.

PS belated thanks to crabby for her blog, her recipes are delicious, I didn't know who'd written it.

OvercomeByGravity Mon 20-Jan-14 07:37:11

7lbs off! Oh yes, I have actually shifted half a stone in a week. V. proud of myself. Have weighed in on both spreadsheet and weight tracker but no personalised graph. Hmph. But very pleased otherwise!

Some difficulty today - don't want to stall myself with too much dairy, but have some leftover fish in the fridge that was bought for DS1's cookery lesson that must be eaten, except I can't think of a palatable way to do that which doesn't involve a lot of cream and cheese. Any thoughts?

OvercomeByGravity Mon 20-Jan-14 07:37:47

Oh, and 1.5 inches off my waist too. grin

wakemeupnow Mon 20-Jan-14 07:40:40

Wow ! 7 lost and lots of delicious low carb food eaten smile

Ruprekt Mon 20-Jan-14 07:41:53

Crabby....can you re link your website as it wont open. smilesmile

BIWI Mon 20-Jan-14 07:50:13

Sorry about the lack of chart - no idea what's going on there, so I've emailed The Power That Be

BIWI Mon 20-Jan-14 07:51:14

PS just in case you didn't realise (because I didn't twig straight away) the carb counter that you see isn't just a list of carb counts - it works out carb counts for you (should you want to know them) if you enter the veg you're using in a meal

StuntNun Mon 20-Jan-14 07:51:54

What kind of fish Overcome? I usually bake in the oven in foil with butter mixed with spices e.g. dill and a squeeze of lemon juice or coriander and a squeeze of lime juice.

SayraT Mon 20-Jan-14 07:53:17

I lost 2 lbs! grin that 1 lb more than I was expecting and makes it 8 lb in total.

Seeing the weight loss really helps keep me focused, we have a group meeting today where there are four, yes FOUR, cakes provided per person!

I will not have any.

Not finding avoiding sweet things too difficult, I manged to say no to three gigantic toblerones last week and my OH ate a danish pastry in the afternoon yesterday and I ate nothing....I didn't even feel deprived. Problem day might be tomorrow when its my birthday, I decided not to make a fake cake so taking nothing in, hoping no one will say "oh go on, its your birthday you can have a bit of this yummy synthetic cake from Tesco".

mirpuppet Mon 20-Jan-14 07:53:57

Happy -- down 4.4 pounds. smile

LauraBridges Mon 20-Jan-14 07:54:49

Okay, I'm going to start afresh today (143 pounds). I suspect last week my putting 140 on the chart when I was probably 142 was not a good idea.... although I am probably the only person in the UK who can put on so much weight eating this way. I am 100% paleo/primal and have been for ages but until last week had been eating nuts and raisins and sweet potato and some cheese. Last week it must have been the cream which I have now finished.

Let us see if this works from today.

Kefybaby Mon 20-Jan-14 07:59:25

A small loss for me this week: a couple of pounds. Given the huge amounts of food (especially dairy) that I have been eating, I am very pleased. I need to focus on portion control and cutting down the cheese (after years of deprivation I was so happy to be able to eat it!). I am approaching my target pre-baby weight (just a small size 12 - nothing particularly low, but I know from years on dieting that this is the most sustainable weight for me (and also I do not want to throw all my clothes away!)). The challenge will soon be establishing the amount of carbs I can reintroduce without gaining.

Suzymoo9 Mon 20-Jan-14 07:59:36

The chart had a link at the top "add weight" and it's under that link.

keepon I also have the lunchbox challenge at the mo - trying scotch eggs & sausages but then he wants sweet things - other people have "such nice things in their lunch boxes" ie iced cup cakes, crisps, sugary yogurts - what to do?

SteeleyeStan Mon 20-Jan-14 08:05:50

Good morning losers, and good luck for week 2!

-3lb here! grin I'm very very happy with this; I'd been prep talking myself not to get disheartened if it's only 0.5-1lb. But DH has lost over 7lb! unfair shock

ChippingInWadesIn was curious about blood sugar changes (way back in the pre-BC week thread). I did fasting/morning sugars every day for two weeks now, and proper measurements all through the day during a few days both during the pre-BC week and last week.
Average fasting sugar was 5.4 pre-BC, down to 4.2 in BC smile
Daytime chages are pretty similar - they don't rise very high and do go down quite quickly after food in both weeks, but were mostly between 4.5-5.0 in pre-BC and 3.5-4.0 during last week.
I don't see the point to keep measuring now, since they look to be fine. I'll put my monitor away and check them again when I'm eating a bit more carbs again.

Today's plan:
B: Fried eggs and coffee with coconut oil.
L: Last night's bubble & squek in plenty of butter, maybe with a bit of bacon.
S: Avocado
D: Pork loin steak and buttery broccoli and curly kale.

captainmummy Mon 20-Jan-14 08:07:43

Suzy - my dp takes a 'LC' lunchbox; he includes things like potato salad, banana and I make flapjacks.... Not so LC but it works for him and the flapjacks are better than cakes. I reduce the sugar drastically (his sweet tooth is reduced anyway) and use honey instead of golden syrup

SteeleyeStan Mon 20-Jan-14 08:08:25

Ugh. My grammar is appalling. Apologies if I make peoples' eyes bleed...

CalamityKate Mon 20-Jan-14 08:10:44

I've put on 3/4 of a pound sad

Very sad sad

Possible mitigating circumstance - feeling very "periody" this morning even though I've got 8 days to go before I'm due on.

I haven't cheated sad

Mlig Mon 20-Jan-14 08:13:01

I'm devastated. I have been so good, I've really got into this woe, I've not had one single thing wrong, I didn't even lick the mash spoon yesterday when I served it up fr the kids yesterday! But I've put 2lb on since yesterday, which means my loss since last Monday which is the one I'm counting and on the spread sheet is 2lb.

I'd hoped for more in my first week, especially as I have a lot to lose. Do you think I'm going something wrong?

hopebeyondreason Mon 20-Jan-14 08:15:15

Hi everyone. Some great losses here, so well done.

I lost 2lbs, which means I've lost 4lbs since 2nd January. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed, as the only cheats I have had all week is a little gravy powder on 2 days & a little bit of parsnip and sweet potato yesterday. I have 3-4 stone to lose, so there is a lot to get off.

I probably overdid it with the cream and cheese, so I might cut back on those a little. On the other hand, I haven't felt hungry or deprived, so don't feel I'm on a diet at all. Slowly but surely may succeed where fast loss diets gave failed in the past.

I do look slimmer though, and I have lost half an inch off my boobs and waist and 2 inches off my hips. Bizarre!

EwanHoozami Mon 20-Jan-14 08:15:42

<runs in a week late>

Hello everyone - lovely old and new faces of Bootcamp!

I had been low carbing for 18 months and lost two stone. For some reason I then turned into a carby twat for a month and put 8lb back on. Lawks.

So I have retrieved my halo from the compost heap and have started today with a bowl of Lidl yog, a black coffee and a whole load of good intentions.

I can't wait to sack off that bastard sugar again.

So I'd like to get back to 10st 4lb, maybe get to the mythical 10st barrier and size 10 jeans.

Off to drink more water and plan delicious buttery meals.

hopebeyondreason Mon 20-Jan-14 08:16:43

Mlig, looks like we are in the same boat. I had lost more in the week and it went back on again, for some reason. Have you measured yourself?

EwanHoozami Mon 20-Jan-14 08:17:20

PS it actually took just less than 6 months to ditch the two stone, the other year was maintenance. In case anyone is thinking "2 stone in a year and a half, fuck that for a game of wagon wheels" grin

heliumheart Mon 20-Jan-14 08:35:14

4.9lb off for me, started last week so that makes almost 10lb off in two weeks. Very pleased, especially as had minor transgressions over the weekend.

Calamity - do you have much to lose? If you're feeling periody then it could well be that you are retaining water. Believe me I have so been there re. trying hard and not losing (and I have a lot to lose!) and it was usually if I was over-indulging in low-carb foods (I have a problem with portion control and if I make something really delicious that serves four tend to pick at it all evening... blush)

MajorBumsore Mon 20-Jan-14 08:36:30

Small loss here of 3lb, but it's my own fault as I've cheated quite a bit with a glass of cava fri, sat and sun and grapes and apples slipping in-so all in all, quite good really! Going to try much harder this week and up the water intake.

MoleInAComa Mon 20-Jan-14 08:47:34

Have lost 7 lb!! Have weighed four times now-can only think scales weren't working properly last week? I have lost a lot of 'sticky out tummy' which happened last time I stopped eating bread. Is it really possible to lose 7 lb in one week? I have 2 and a half stone to lose in total.

rubybricks Mon 20-Jan-14 08:48:28

morning losers, 6lbs down which i am delighted with, as i really thought there'd be no change after a fairly major derailment last night which i won't go into... back on track today and determined not to self-sabotage, especially as there's no need to feel hungry/deprived at all.

really looking forward to seeing more of crabby's beautiful pictures (and recipes!) though i am a bit of a creature of habit and tend to eat the same things day in day out. eg today:

L: chicken salad with avocado & mayo
D: pan fried salmon with wilted spinach
S: FF greek yoghurt

good luck to all for week 2!

MoleInAComa Mon 20-Jan-14 08:50:48

Have jusr read back in the thread and seen other people who have lost 7lbs so perhaps it is right? Whoop!

heliumheart Mon 20-Jan-14 08:51:31

StuntNun - completely agree re. children and their needs. IIRC one of the reasons why the 'modern' diet has gone so wrong is that for a long time eating carbs and fat worked (albeit this was pre the age of frankenfoods) was because people were far more active and the energy was burnt off rather than stored as fat. Children NEED lots of energy, but I'd like to work towards changing their diet subtly so that it's home-made and slightly adapted cake rather than haribo, lots of home cooked meals featuring lots of healthy fat, and carbs as an addition rather than the main attraction.

Mlig Mon 20-Jan-14 08:52:16

Hopebeyondreason, no I haven't had chance, but I must! Have you? I wonder what it is?
Could eating too much veg be a problem? I had a normal amount of veg yesterday, all low carbs though

Pleaseandthankyou Mon 20-Jan-14 08:56:07

3lbs off today despite falling into a vat of wine at the weekend. That is half the Christmas gain gone. Would be happy to be half a stone lighter by June. Just had boiled eggs with butter and mayo. For all the new bootcampers, I am another one who could stay the same for weeks and then drop 3 or 4 pounds overnight. ,

MrsHughJarse Mon 20-Jan-14 08:57:07

Dashing in ( Monday morning mad school/ nursery run ) to have a big group hug with all those feeling disappointed. thanks for all . We can do this - let's keep on keeping on ... X

CalamityKate Mon 20-Jan-14 08:57:11

Helium - yes it could be portion control I suppose... I'll have a look at that. So gutted though sad

marking place

Pleaseandthankyou Mon 20-Jan-14 08:59:32

Crabby, cooked beef cheeks yesterday. Gorgeous. I've never seen pig cheeks but the recipe is similar.

heliumheart Mon 20-Jan-14 08:59:51

Completely agree MrsH - PLEASE keep on those who are wobbling a bit if they haven't seen results this week. It DOES work, and what's the alternative? I wobbled and gave up last year and am now back here weighing considerably more. There is hope, if you're in doubt and think it might help do what I did and get some Ketostix just to check you're in ketosis. I have used no early losses in the past as justification to give up and just be more depressed. flowers to all

CalamityKate Mon 20-Jan-14 09:01:00

I dunno how much I've got to lose really. I usually like to sit at around 11st but that's certainly not skinny for me - I'm 5' 7" - and what with losing a fair bit so quickly and easily I was dreaming of getting to 10 1/2 stone which I think would be just about right for my height/frame. I'd be thrilled with that!

kasbah72 Mon 20-Jan-14 09:01:31

Weighed in this morning and have now been doing this for 2 weeks with 2 transgressions.... half a bottle of red wine in week one and a double gin and tonic in week 2. Oh, and a few peas here and there!

I am thrilled to see on the scales this morning that I have now lost a total of 8.75lb in that two weeks.

My skin looks great, I don't feel hungry all the time (my biggest problem because I seem to have a pathological fear of feeling hungry and therefore overeat to prevent that feeling) and I am cooking and eating lovely food.

I usually put on and lose around 5-10lb (!) with AF but that major swing didn't seem to happen either which is interesting.

Today's menu:
Avocado and salmon for brekkie
Will cook up some chicken, leek, tomato, pesto and cream cheese with salad for lunch
Leftover Jamie Oliver fish pie with cauliflower mash

Can someone tell me more about coconut oil? Reading some of the messages and links I think it would be a good thing to add in to my diet but also for the kids. What form is best? Any particular brand?

Thank you!

kasbah72 Mon 20-Jan-14 09:04:03

Actually it was 9.75lb loss. Even better! So shocked that I downplayed it!

CalamityKate Mon 20-Jan-14 09:07:23

Kasbah - YY to the fear of being hungry! That used to be me! Far calmer now!

NotTwit Mon 20-Jan-14 09:09:53

Hi all, before I go back and read, could some lovely loser put 149 onto the spreadsheet for me pretty please? thanks
Sorry, don't want to forget as I just converted it from stone.
and already forgot it once

MrsHughJarse Mon 20-Jan-14 09:10:55

And biwi thanks and to you all - thanks for wise words and inspiration ! This WOE is for me !

PseudoBadger Mon 20-Jan-14 09:15:03

Pistey I'm not doing norks as I'm breastfeeding smile

Morning all. Just over 3lbs off for me. Happy with that. It could have been more (and was until Friday) but I got all grumpy and peed off on Thursday evening so DH made me a white wine soda and I decided to low carb but not necessarily Bootcamp so that is what I did over the weekend. I can't even say it was Bootcamp Lite as it was def more relaxed than that! Not ideal but at least I am still sort of at it.

My back was playing up and I had bad sciatica and a toothache so was fed up anyway - hence the grumpiness! I wasn't enjoying what I was eating so something needed to change or I would have given up on day 4.

Back on track now but Bootcamp Lite today as had yoghurt with blueberries and some low carb granola for breakfast. I did have quite a bit of wine over the weekend but won't be now until next weekend.

Onwards and downwards again though!

PseudoBadger Mon 20-Jan-14 09:29:38

5lbs off this week, my first week of strict BC! I did Light the week before and cut out choc, pasta etc the week before that and have now lost 13lbs in total smile

thenightsky Mon 20-Jan-14 09:33:11

Twit I couldn't see you on the list confused

thenightsky Mon 20-Jan-14 09:34:42

4lb off for me. Very happy with that.

humanordancer Mon 20-Jan-14 09:35:24

Morning all! I've stayed the same, but I seem to have lost lost about half a stone since NYD by gently reducing carbs and then following the warm up. Unfortunately I can't be precise as initially I was using different scales - which seem not to be very accurate.

I feel slimmer, and am very glad I finally got round to measuring myself on Friday because despite no change in weight today, a good inch has gone off hips and waist. Since Friday! grin

This week I plan to be more circumspect with dairy. I enjoy coconut oil in greek yogurt a little too much, perhaps.

CalamityKate Mon 20-Jan-14 09:40:02

Can someone explain the "inches lost but not necessarily weight" thing to me? How does that work then?

GermanGirlinLDN Mon 20-Jan-14 09:40:48

I am 6.6lbs down and I am very very happy. smile I am looking forward to Friday as it's my weigh-in day with my Personal trainer. I am 100% BC food wise but I don't drink enough. I allowed myself diet coke for the first week additional to water but will exclude this now as well.

Good luck to everybody, first week is over.

CalamityKate Mon 20-Jan-14 09:41:21

Dairy. Hmm. I may have been overdoing that, I'm not sure. No more than I was in the two weeks I lost 6lb in though?!

Woolfey Mon 20-Jan-14 09:44:25

StuntNun Thanks for the advice re the McDonalds dressing, will take some of my own smile

hopebeyondreason Mon 20-Jan-14 09:48:13

Mling, yes, I measured myself and have lost half an inch off boobs and waist and two inches off hips - but only 2lbs down. I look slimmer and my clothes are looser. I can't explain how that works.

I think I overdid it with the cheese and cream, so will try and limit those this week. Also, I am having a few cups of tea with milk. I pretty much hate tea or coffee without milk, so might have one coffee with cream per day and try green tea (yuck!).

ChippingInWadesIn Mon 20-Jan-14 09:52:14

Weightloss, water & the good news

StuntNun explains it better than me must remember to copy it next time she posts it but basically when you are losing weight your cells push the fat in and out of them, if you are drinking enough water they will take in some water instead of the fat. Water is as heavy as fat but it's 'thinnner' so your jeans will be loser but the scales will stay the same. A little while later (few days/week) your cells will get rid of the water and you will get the 'woosh' on the scales smile

IF you are cheating in a minor (or major) way, you will be storing glycogen, glygon will make you heavier on the scales but not 'fatter' - drink lots of water and try harder not to cheat.

Low carbing is not forgiving of cheating especially if you aren't yet in ketosis. It is not at all like low calorie where you can just eat less calories at the next meal - but it's also not like 'low calorie' as it's food for you and actually works!!

SteeleyeStan Brilliant results with your bloods - this way of eating is so 'against' what we have been (wrongly) told for so long, it's a leap of faith for some, but actually totally makes sense if you read up about it.

EvaTheOptimist Mon 20-Jan-14 09:53:56

NotTwit are you on the spreadsheet as Twit? I'll put 149 on the Twit line but you don't have a starting weight there, do you know what that was?

CrabbyWinterBottom Mon 20-Jan-14 09:57:41


There's the blog. Ruby thank you for that kind comment! With all this interest I'm feeling guilty now about not posting anything on it for so long. blush DD is away for a month from the 30th [sob!] so I'll have more time then. I might photograph the finished pigs' cheeks later and put up that recipe.

Please they call them ox cheeks I think and yes, very similar. Yum.

flowers and congrats to all bootcampers and losers.
Lucy almost a stone this month is amazing!
Four 3 stone! Well done!

Big hugs to anyone disappointed. It does work, I promise, and you will get there if you stick to this. Ask yourself...
1) Have you enjoyed your food this week?
2) Have you felt hungry or deprived (taking into account that you can't have nuts, berries or the odd taste of very dark chocolate, which is hard)?
3) Are you feeling better in other ways? More clear headed, less bloated?
4) Is this a sustainable and enjoyable way of eating?

I've lost 4lbs this week which I'm happy with. I'm still feeling bloated around the tummy but that's because my period is doing that incredibly fucking annoying thing of start-stop-start, so i'm stuck in limbo feeling bloated and bleaurgh, knowing that the floodgates could open at any time (and I mean that in a most literal way!). hmm grin

Feeling ever so much better in myself at last though - clearer headed, waking up earlier in the mornings, not all foggy and grotty. Still achey and back pain is bad, but hoping that the last remnants of this cold will bugger off this week and I shall be springing around like a gazelle!

Piscivorus Mon 20-Jan-14 10:01:00

Kate Nobody knows! It is a mystery! Just experience that a lot of people find they have spells when their weight doesn't move on the scales yet they look, and indeed measure, thinner.

I have given up trying to understand the blips and fluctuations and think it is the overall trend that matters. Whoever said "The trend is your friend" should have a medal!

EvaTheOptimist Mon 20-Jan-14 10:06:25

I can report that chocolate mousse adds 1lb overnight.

But I'm still 2.4lb down this week, which is completely fantastic, and a much faster rate of loss than I am used to. It must be all the encouragement on these threads!

Or more likely, the fact that I've been reading all the advice to others and 1. finally stopped stubbornly adding balsamic vinegar to my salad dressing and 2. exchanged some of my teas-with-milk for peppermint tea.

If you've lost 1lb or 2lb or 0.8lb please don't be downhearted, that is REALLY GREAT - you don't necessarily need to alter anything you're doing. Onwards and downwards!

Calamity and Mlig hope you can find the faith to keep going, I think it will work. Post your menus if you'd like? There are odd factors at work, as Chipping's post said, sometimes the whoosh happens days after the good eating that caused the fat-burning, its when the body is reassured that its not a famine (ie the fat-eating and calories stay high) that it releases the temporary water in the cells.

To quote Ruprekt: Fat and water, Fat and water

Piscivorus Mon 20-Jan-14 10:07:24

Chipping I take it back then, it is not a mystery and people do know! smile Great explanation although I still think it's magic

theQuibbler Mon 20-Jan-14 10:08:10

7lbs this weeks and 5lb on bc lite, so 12lbs altogether. Goals for this week including starting to exercise properly and not snacking, which is a habit rather than a need.

Ilisten2thesoundofdrums Mon 20-Jan-14 10:09:26

Well this is now week 2 over for me , but I am posting my weight a week behind to keep track of what has actually happened over the 10 weeks for me.
I lost 3lb in the first week and another 2 last week, so overall I am happy.
I have LC'd before so I wasn't really expecting huge weight losses (although I kind of hoped that I still might have seen them).

I made ice cream yesterday for the children and then experimented with a sort of frozen yoghurt one. I used about 2/3 Lidl greek yoghurt and 1/3 cream and some orange essence. It tasted quite orangy before it was frozen but not nearly so much afterwards - note to self to add more flavouring next time. DH and I also thought that adding berries to it would be a good idea too.

Well done everyone else for sticking with it.

CrabbyWinterBottom Mon 20-Jan-14 10:10:14

pig cheeks are heavenly, i get them in waitrose. wonderful slow cooked and very very cheap. another good cut is pork osso bucco (not veal - that's about five times the price)

Lovecat Mon 20-Jan-14 10:14:59

Aaaand the measurements:

Chest 42
Waist 41
Hips 47
Tops of thighs 23.5 apiece
Tops of arms 12.5 and 13, R & L respectively

Chest 40
Waist 38 - no, that is not a typo, 38!! <happy dance>
Hips 44
Tops of thighs 22.5 & 23
Tops of arms 11.5 and 12.25, R & L respectively

I'm happily gobsmacked - I was feeling mildly self-pitying because my weight loss seemed so small compared to others, but whoohoo!! grin grin

ChippingInWadesIn Mon 20-Jan-14 10:15:13

Pisciverous grin

Please excuse all the typos in the above post, I seldom read anything I have written before - fecking hell, need to clean up my act!

HeirToTheIronThrone Mon 20-Jan-14 10:24:32

Well I'm 0.7 lbs up - but weirdly pleased with that as I went away for a long-awaited weekend with very old friends so thought it would be more. I sort of worked out a way to enjoy by still mostly LCing - so stuck with no bread, pasta, potatoes or carby veg, no snacks, gallons of water and some long country walks, but did have pudding both nights (chose things with no pastry/flour) and a drink or two. I know I was 2lbs less on Friday, so the extra .7 will go quickly.

All most odd, as with other 'diets' in the past I'd be head-first in cake by now because of my 'failure', but today I'm raring to get back on it and feel like I really found the line between having a brilliant time on my weekend away and utterly going off the rails. No doubt BIWI will be over with her big stick over all the cheating, but I am pleased with my damage limitation!

Today will be greek yogurt, then last night's leftovers for lunch - roast chicken, homemade coleslaw, bit of greek salad with avocado instead of feta. Shopping after work tonight for dinner inspiration.

zgaze Mon 20-Jan-14 10:35:32

5.4lb down grin really pleased! and haven't found it too hard though there have been moments when I've had to fight with myself. I'm doing this to look & feel my best for my 40th in September and my wedding in October and I'm finding it's helping so much to have two such massive things to aim towards.

I always thought I didn't really snack through the day (my problem is 'treats' in front of the TV once kids in bed) but have realised that I pick at bits and pieces - a bit of the childrens snacks, finishing off their tea leftovers, a taste here and taste there...I reckon it all added up to at least another full meals worth at least.

giraffeseatpineapples Mon 20-Jan-14 11:01:05

I think I have lost 2lbs. Have ordered some new scales which I plan to use on carpet in my bedroom but keep in one place so hopefuly that will at least let me know how much i have lost. 3 little kids and one tiny bathroom so best option! I am really pleased I look less bloated and have not been sticking to some of the rules.

I was a bit virusy and tired over the weekend and ended up really cross with dp as he lectured me on how he doesn't approve of low carb and compared it to if he was drinking and smoking for a week and then got ill. He also gave me the old eat less move more routine [sceptical] angry Decided I woul blardy well get up and be a martyr and make lunch for us, all so made sandwiches for everyone else and heated up some lentil soup and he said 'should you be having that'!

supersalstrawberry Mon 20-Jan-14 11:03:28

7lb down woohoo, very happy with that, well done everyone!grin

googoogoggles Mon 20-Jan-14 11:10:12

2lbs down despite eating lots of butter, cream and huge portions of food, so can't really complain! Had been doing bC light for a bit beforehand so didn't expect a big loss (still irrationally jealous of some people's whooshes!) congrats to all losers, big and small- and keep the faith those who hv sts

supersalstrawberry Mon 20-Jan-14 11:16:24

I've still looooong way to go, need to shift at least 2.5 stone, I'm happy with the first weeks weight loss but I don't see it as real iykwim, as it's mainly fluid, it's the fat loss from now on that'll really count, this is where the hard work starts for me.

Not sure if any of my spreadsheet entries have worked, but I'm down from 180 to 173lbs, so half a stoine off this week. Thats normal for me when starting a diet, only expecting 2lbs a week tops after this!

Only 3st 5lbs to go... <groans>

EwanHoozami Mon 20-Jan-14 11:30:09

Hurray looooooooosers! grin

TinTinsSexySister Mon 20-Jan-14 11:31:12

I haven't lost anything. Not an ounce.

I wept blush

I feel completely deflated.

The link to Crabby's blog doesn't work.

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 20-Jan-14 11:33:53

Can anyone do me a favour?

Go here and click on low carb See what you get? I'm getting a yahoo type search rather than the right page.

I was looking for the rules, can't find those either.

Supersalstrawberry - there is a thread in chat I think about who used to be around a lot and is missed. You were mentioned!

As was BIWI! She obv spends all her time here!

TinTin - I'm sorry. Can you post what you have been eating? Are you eating enough? Water?

StuntNun Mon 20-Jan-14 11:37:36

The Whoosh

When your daily calorie intake is lower than required to meet your energy requirements, your body makes up the difference from your fat stores. Fat cells all over your body release some of their stored fat into the bloodstream but they take in an equal weight of water. The theory is that this preserves the size of the fat cell, presumably in case the calorie restriction ends and the fat stores can be replenished.

Now water is more dense than fat (remember oil floats on water) so the fat cells decrease a little in volume and this is why your waist or other measurements decrease sometimes even though your weight hasn't changed. When the whoosh fairy visits, some 'housekeeping mechanism' is triggered and a lot of fat cells suddenly release their stored water and shrink and you see a sudden drop on the scales.

Basically as you low carb your body is steadily using up its fat stores at a rate of 1-2 lb per week but your body's water levels are fluctuating all over the place so your weight varies significantly from day to day. This is why BIWI recommends weekly weigh-ins to follow the trend of weight loss.

Note that the whoosh theory is just a theory. There is some supporting evidence such as that the water content of the fat mass increases during dieting. Also when low carbers approach their ideal weight they can sometimes trigger a whoosh by having a carb refeed day (where you add potatoes, sweet potato, rice or similar that day). When your body stores the carbs as glycogen it also stores water so a carb refeed can help to 'suck' the water out of the fat cells. Having a couple of shots of vodka can cause the same effect, presumably as alcohol is a diuretic so it helps to remove the water from the fat cell. Note that these approaches are only really useful for people that are close to their ideal weight and have stalled in their weight loss for several weeks.

giraffeseatpineapples Mon 20-Jan-14 11:37:49

I get 2 links one page can't be displayed and the second to week one of bootcamp. If you go to the op here and click on the link to the spreadseet the rules are on a tab on the bottom of the spreadsheet.

Not working for me either Pistey.

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 20-Jan-14 11:39:43

Ah, not just me then!

I'll go and flag it to HQ.

Tintin - I agree, post what you ate yesterday, then folk who know can have a look. There will be good advice I'm sure. Just don't give up!

giraffeseatpineapples Mon 20-Jan-14 11:41:29

Sorry to be a total pita and more than happy to do this myself.

Should we hav a rules thread and bump it to keep it active? Think they did this on 5:2 don't know if it worked.

Also why have they split low carb in 2 much prefered it before grumble grumble....

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 20-Jan-14 11:41:49

Thank you, have found the rules. I never go down below R on the spreadsheet blush

<swigs eleventy millionth glass of water>

Giraffes - I think I agree. The recipe thread hadn't moved last time I looked either and that is so useful.

gussiegrips Mon 20-Jan-14 11:49:28

Holy crap.

I have lost 8lbs.


I haven't cheated once, apart from accidentally eating a pack of baby sweetcorn, which I don't even count as a cheat as it was veg. And, who cheats on veg?

I've been drinking 4l water a day minimum. And, consequently spending approximately 4 hours a day on the loo.


BIWI floats. Floats, I tell you. Witchcraft.

LittleMissDisorganized Mon 20-Jan-14 11:53:55

Am very very delighted with 9.5lb and when I don't lose this week or the next or the next (assuming I haven't cheated) then I will come back to this post and read it again and again so I remember that I do, now, believe in this and it works and the trend is my friend (also love that).

Also 6cm off my tummy - which is the worse bit of me. All my measurements have gone down this week and I can feel the difference in fit of trousers and sort of shape of the horrible wobbly bit that is my middle. I appreciate that I've only had a good loss because I have much more to lose than most others here.

Arbuthnot don't know if anyone else said but I really applaud your honesty - how easy it would be to lie on the internet, or change your start weight, or whatever. I thought I couldn't do it, but I could.

TinTinsSexySister Mon 20-Jan-14 12:00:02

Thanks for the support - and commiserations to all those like me who haven't lost anything.

Saturday I ate:
2 boiled eggs
Ham and cream cheese rolls, cucumber and celery sticks
Snack of pork scratchings
Butter prawn curry, cauli rice.
2.5 litres water

Yesterday I ate:
Bacon, fried eggs and rocket
tuna mayo salad
Low carb shepherd's pie.
2 litres water - this is low for me. I average 2.5 litres a day even when not on Bootcamp, but I do struggle to get it up to 3 litres regularly for some reason.

Morning losers! My weight is the same as last week due to silliness at the weekend but am back on the straight and narrow now, honest.
That article in the Times about lc and the brain made me immediately get the guy's book on my Kindle. It's interesting reading, though very sciencey in places!
So far today:
B - 2 hard boiled eggs, spoonful of coconut oil, tea
S- bit of Cheddar
L - will have salmon with broccoli and lots of butter

Oh and Crabby, I'd love to have a look at your recipes but the link posted upthread isn't working. Could you re-post it, pretty please? Thanks!

googoogoggles Mon 20-Jan-14 12:26:56

stuntnun I love all yr science bits - make a lot of sense to me, but just to confirm (hiding from BIWI's big stick)are you then def of the view that calories matter, even on this WOE, so you do hv to limit cream/cheese etc - or yr body will limit your intake naturally because you are simply satiated. Am interested in this as I am a greedy guzzler and can eat massive portions of say cauli with butter or 3-egg omelettes rather than 2... So maybe I do hv to look at my portion sizes a bit down the line (stamps feet/has a mini strop)

teaandthorazine Mon 20-Jan-14 12:55:21

Pret do kale crisps!

How did I not know this? Ok, they're £1.50 for a little bag and I'm not sure, tbh, that they really taste terribly nice but, it's the principle! Low carb snacks are becoming easier to find, we will take over the world, just...slowly smile

StuntNun Mon 20-Jan-14 12:57:19

Calorie intake does matter Googoo but because we're eating food our bodies are designed to use then this WOE allows our bodies to self-regulate our food intake. By eating carbs, especially sugar, we have messed up our blood sugar levels, increased our fat storage, in some cases reduced our insulin sensitivity, screwed up our response to the hunger and satiety hormones leptin and ghrelin, etc. When you start this WOE you probably will eat more calories than later on, but as you become fat-adapted your appetite will become more in step with your requirements. If you are overweight your fat cells release leptin which tells your brain that your body has loads of fat stored so you don't need to eat as much. Better to let your body work out what you need and not worry too much about the number of calories.

One great thing about this WOE is that if you do go mad on a cheese binge, eat too many nuts or mainline pork scratchings, then because you aren't releasing much insulin it's harder for your body to store fat. Sam Feltham did an experiment where he ate 5,000 calories a day (low carb) for three weeks and he only gained 3 lb and lost over an inch from his waist! When he ate the same amount of calories on a carb-rich diet he gained 16 lb. So my thinking would be to keep an eye on the very high calorie foods (alcohol, nuts, cheese, cream) but trust your body to tell you when you're hungry and when you're full.

ha stuntnun by coincidence i just posted that experiment on the questions thread!

CointreauVersial Mon 20-Jan-14 13:17:28

Hello thread two!

I was very good all last week, but took a day off on Friday, due to an unavoidably sandwich-heavy buffet lunch, and dinner out in the evening (with my lovely MN Crepey chums).

The effect of the dinner was reduced somewhat by a violent allergic reaction to a sneaky hazelnut, which meant that I threw the lot up again. Nice! (Not recommended as a weight-loss tool, may I add).

Net result is no loss this week, however, I am still a bit "puffy" after the allergic reaction, which may have something to do with it. I am not disheartened at all, as I lost three pounds the week before; also I have done this before, and I am happy with "slow and steady".

Anyway, Scrambled egg for breakfast, chicken soup with cheese on the side for lunch....onwards and upwards.

SnowieBear Mon 20-Jan-14 13:24:32

Wow, some great losses! Congrats to all! For those of you who didn't lose this week, keep at it, it WILL work.

I started the previous week and lost about 3.5lbs. Lost 2.5lbs this week, so 6lbs in total in two weeks, I am well chuffed, it's nearly half a stone. I'm at 10st 9lbs today, I'm aiming for 9st 6lbs minimum... if I could make good inroads into getting there before my Easter holiday, that'll be fantastic. Really enjoying eating this way, not feeling deprived and going through 3 litres of water a day... I spent my life visiting the toilet grin.

Mostly, I'm enjoying the look of disbelief in my DH's face when I sit down to enjoy my dinner.... he cannot square "diet" with what I'm putting away.

Yesterday's food was:

B: Cream coffee, leftover savoury mince.
L: 2-egg mayo salad with a smattering of cheese & onion mix.
D: 2 pork chops with asparragus, in mustard sauce.
S: Cream coffee.

Finally.... there are so many wonderful, helpful and inspiration people on these threats I would forget someone if I went for naming you. You are all brill, you show us we can do this and enjoy it. Thank you! thanks

projectbabyweight Mon 20-Jan-14 13:28:07

Blimey how frightening Cointreau! Hope you're ok now.

I gained a bit this week - had put on a pound by Wednesday and consoled myself with sugary food blush also [stupid]

Think I need to keep an eye on portion sizes, as I've only got a stone to lose. I've started a new thread, any other 'little losers' please come and join me!

bettybigballs Mon 20-Jan-14 13:32:30

I always like to look at this picture if I'm getting annoyed with slow loss, i imagine it smeared all over my stomach and thighs!

Thumbwitch Mon 20-Jan-14 13:48:59

Eek to allergic reaction, Cointreau! Hope you are all better now.

Well, I've lost 4lb, which I'm happy with. I had hoped it might be 6, but I have definitely not drunk enough water today and I missed breakfast by accident and I had 3 Tasmanian cherries today. So not the best day, and it shows.

B - missed it - had 1 Tasmanian cherry.
L - smoked salmon (3 slices), cream cheese and rocket salad
D - sausages (I know), steamed brussel sprouts and carrots, fried onions and mushrooms.
S - 2 more sausages and a babybel.

I still haven't got around to putting butter on my steamed veg, largely because, as I've said before, I share my plate with the baby and he has enough trouble picking up veg with his fingers as it is, I think the butter would make it way too tricky.

GatoradeMeBitch Mon 20-Jan-14 13:49:26

I gained a pound - not surprising as I only really started properly yesterday and had been eating really badly in the last few weeks.

I had bacon and Total for breakfast, about to make cod and veg for lunch. I'm desperately craving sugar right now so I need to eat something soon!

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 20-Jan-14 13:53:44

Blimey Cointreau how scary, glad you are on the mend. What a nightmare.

Betty that really is frifffin hideous - but rather fabulously so.

teaandthorazine Mon 20-Jan-14 13:56:09

Gatorade, i have visions of you dipping the bacon in the total...(tell me this happened, pleeeeeeease!)

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 20-Jan-14 13:56:18

Awwww Thumb at skiddy veg. Bless him. I love it when they pick food up, then unbeknown to them they drop it, and then look so confused when nothing goes in their mouth. Awwww!

QueenQueenie Mon 20-Jan-14 13:58:05

<Waves to CV> hello my crepey friend!
Glad you're feeling a bit better after Friday's hoo ha. Have you ascertained that there were hazelnuts in what you ate or is that an educated guess? I tried to stick with BC light on Friday evening which was a challenge! Lots of tatziki, some stewed aubergine / veg and too much prosecco...! Not ideal.
Haven't done BC proper as have been LCing for ages now but still v pleased to report 2lbs off this week after rather a long period of staying the same.
Ta BIWI et al.

Lighthousekeeping Mon 20-Jan-14 14:00:42

I've lost 6lb. I'm over the moon. I can't kid myself though, I did have my first period in ten weeks. That has something to do with it.

I'm very pleased though. I've just woke up and I'm looking forward to getting back onto days tomorrow and then the challenges will cone. I'm just about to make a moussaka so I can take some to work. I have Greek yoghurt for breakfast. I've got to take three meals a day in!

Suzymoo9 Mon 20-Jan-14 14:10:32

Thanks Captain I'll try making a less sweet flapjack but will have to really work on packed luncehs.

Since doing this I have been making LC breakfast and supper for ds and haven't had bread or biscuits in the house for a week and he hasn't really missed them. He did ask for toast this am. but accepted it when I said there was no bread!

Thanks betty that shows how much just one pound really is.

NotTwit Mon 20-Jan-14 14:19:27

Thanks to whoever put me on, I'm way down the bottom (twit), it take s ages to find myself on the iPad grin
My first weight has gone though so now I can't see how much I've lost, if some lovely loser could put it back for me, 168.
I think that's 9 lb for week one? shock I fully expect to only lose a couple this week though which is fine as long as it is going doooowwwwwnn.
Yikes, it's That Week though. The one before my period. Ugh, it's gonna be hard isn't it?
Just in preperation, is the hot chocolate 'recipe' posted on the last thread ok? I would like it on Saturday so I don't feel left out of the treats.

NotTwit Mon 20-Jan-14 14:26:11

thumb if you have separate plates could you just put the butter on yours?

BIWI Mon 20-Jan-14 14:34:10


Some really good losses here. flowers to you

And sorry for all of those of you who are struggling. If you haven't lost, or have only lost a little bit, be really honest with yourselves - have you really been following the rules to the letter?

If you still think you have, but you aren't seeing the scales reflecting this, then start to keep a food diary so that you can see what might be impacting on your weight/lack of loss.

And post your meals here so that we can see what we can diagnose.

Thumbwitch Mon 20-Jan-14 14:35:53

I'll have to work a bit harder at separating our food out, I think. His intake is pretty variable, which is why it comes off my plate as opposed to being given his own portion, but I could just give him a larger portion and then take back what he refuses to eat.

BIWI Mon 20-Jan-14 14:36:31

giraffes I'm sorry you're not impressed by us having our own section sad

The reason for it is two-fold - first, we can keep all our Bootcamp threads in the same place.

And second, and perhaps more importantly, there are a lot of people on MN who do low carb but who don't follow Bootcamp. And there was a fair bit of irritation that Bootcamp (and me) seemed to be taking low carb over - as if there was no other way to low carb other than Bootcamp.

And, of course, MNHQ have created our lovely new area as well - where all the rules are kept, along with the veg carb counter and the Weight Tracker.

The weight tracker graph will appear from next week, by the way, as it plots changes from one week to the next, so this week there would be only one point of data to show.

Thumbwitch Mon 20-Jan-14 14:46:20

I've added myself back to the spreadsheet, as I appear to have disappeared after last week! Don't know why, hope I don't disappear again. sad

giraffeseatpineapples Mon 20-Jan-14 14:58:35

Oh sorry Biwi, didn't mean to be rude, didn't realise anyone thought you were taking over. It's not really that I am not impressed, just found it easier before having all the low carb in one place.

BIWI Mon 20-Jan-14 15:43:16

No - I didn't think you were being rude!

The threads are still all in the same place though - they're all in Weight Loss.

We did a survey recently of people who had been involved in Bootcamp, around 100 people, and it was one of the findings from that. And if people who had done Bootcamp were irritated by it, you can be sure that non-Bootcampers were probably frothing about me!

giraffeseatpineapples Mon 20-Jan-14 15:52:59

Can't please everyone Biwi! I guess maybe I should see if I can change my settings or something smile

heliumheart Mon 20-Jan-14 15:58:44

Anyone have any good cheese-sauce-for-lasagna suggestions? I have double cream, cheddar, grated mozzarella, a small amount of cream cheese.

Am attempting the use of blanched sheets of leeks in lieu of pasta...

popsnsqeeze Mon 20-Jan-14 16:36:45

Hi All,

I'm so happy with my weightloss this week - 5.5lbs! I was doing 5:2 for ages, and I just wasn't seeing significant results.
I managed to stick to low carbing over the weekend which I'm really proud of. We were at 2 family parties where there was so much food. And the deserts.... you should have seen the deserts!

I have a question though, if someone can explain to me. The low carbing that we are doing now, we keep doing this for 10 weeks, or is it 2 weeks on this part and then 8 weeks on the bootcamp light?
Is there a point where we start introducing small amounts of carb?
I'm happy keeping to this to be honest, I feel great!

BIWI Mon 20-Jan-14 16:37:09
RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 20-Jan-14 16:37:49

Afternoon BIWI, afternoon evvvvveryone smile

that is interesting BIWI

i can't get on board with chia seeds i have to say, they look like frogspawn (no idea of carb content either)

mirpuppet Mon 20-Jan-14 16:58:13

After my oopsie bashing on Saturday mine actually could hold a burger and be a bread substitute after 2 days in plastic in the fridge. See picture. Still didn't taste of much but I can see why some people make them.

giraffeseatpineapples Mon 20-Jan-14 16:58:54

Weird how kale is so popular now but Tesco do a verrry convenient washed and chopped kale!

Giving up wheat seems to be the quickest weightloss fix for me but only about 7lb then I need to work harder for the rest.

CalamityKate Mon 20-Jan-14 17:01:03

<happy sigh>

OK I'm a bit pissed off about not losing any more yet....but at least the foods bloody delicious!

B - rasher of bacon and an egg, fried in butter
L - sort of missed. Did get hungry but was out and sort of went past hungry so....
Late afternoon snack - couple of tbsps pf ff yogurt with about 5 walnut halves
D - bed of salad leaves, with a mishmash of: chopped chicken fried in loads of butter and a little garlic butter; half a tsp wholegrain mustard; a tsp of Philly; and some Parmesan at the end to go all mushy round the buttery chicken.

I almost licked the plate blush

supersalstrawberry Mon 20-Jan-14 17:09:31

Just back from Tesco, only went in to buy a memory stick, had to physically stop myself from storming the Krispy Kreme stand and imbibing the whole frigging lot of them

sugar cravings have hit and they are BAD!! sad

CointreauVersial Mon 20-Jan-14 17:12:33

Mmmmm, Calamity, that sounds lush. I'd forgotten the delights of melted Philly.

QQ - I'm guessing it was the hazelnuts I reacted to, but have booked a doctor's appointment to look into allergy testing. I'm not going through that again.

Or maybe I've developed some weird and extreme carb-intolerance after a couple of weeks off? wink

GermanGirlinLDN Mon 20-Jan-14 17:17:41

I have sugar cravings. Really bad sugar cravings. Sitting in front of zhe

GermanGirlinLDN Mon 20-Jan-14 17:20:39

Sent to early. Sitting in front of the TV now and trying to get my mind of food.

LittleMissDisorganized Mon 20-Jan-14 17:25:30

GermanGirl can you do something nice for yourself instead, maybe a coffee and cream and paint your nails, or a bath (no idea if you have DC making this very difficult!!), clean your teeth (most things taste vile after toothpaste so it would spoil it), and imagine your own disappointment tomorrow....

heliumheart Mon 20-Jan-14 17:37:16

Food today has been a bit odd; I've been in an odd mood and not feeling focussed or together.

B - creamy coffees, Total yog with orange / cream
L - just could not work up the enthusiasm
early D - unbelievably indulgent-feeling lasagne

Lots of water. X

BIWI Mon 20-Jan-14 17:38:51

Calamity - are you on week 3? If not, why are you eating nuts? <stern face>

If you are in week 3, this will also be behind the low weight loss. It's very, very common in weeks 3, 4 and/or 5 for weight loss to slow/stop and sometimes even reverse.

Once you get through this, though, it will carry on as 'normal' - what will become the new normal - a weekly rate of around 1-2lbs.

supersalstrawberry Mon 20-Jan-14 17:40:40

Now feeling a bit sick, haven't felt at all well today, dear god surely by day 8 the carb flu should be gone!

supersalstrawberry Mon 20-Jan-14 17:46:08

I was planning to make one of the curries from the recipe thread but can't face cooking, have just slung a pizza in the oven for dh and dd envy (thats not the envy emoticon, thats a sick emoticon)

CalamityKate Mon 20-Jan-14 17:54:05

I dunno.... I don't think I'm following BC am I?? I just sort of drifted into LCing.

I'm a bit confused about a few things really - Dr B says nuts are an ok snack...and that it isn't strictly necessary to go into ketosis in order to lose weight.... A few things I've noticed that are different to rules I've read elsewhere.

I'm finding it more and more confusing and disheartening tbh.

MyPreciousRing Mon 20-Jan-14 17:55:29

Are you sure about your numbers?
168 to start and then 149?
I've put in for you and that's a 19 pound loss?
Think I've maybe read it wrong.
Will check the thread

CalamityKate Mon 20-Jan-14 17:55:29

I'm on week 3 of following some sort of LC diet....not sure it's the same as BC/BC light.

googoogoggles Mon 20-Jan-14 17:57:45

thank you stuntnun - do like your explanations of what's going on.
Betty THAT FAT PIC!!!! Grotesquely fabulous.
Not very hungry today so think def in ketosis.
B Coffee with cream, left over chicken dipped in mayo plus bit of leftover Total with grind of vanilla
L Just not hungry (how unbelievable is that – and I had a coffee in Starbucks with not the slighest desire for sandwich or cake)
D Am debating steak and salad or chicken and salad
On 3rd 750ml bottle of water – need to catch up so off to glug some more

googoogoggles Mon 20-Jan-14 18:03:14

Don't be disheartened Calamity! Nuts aren't the end of the world [hides from BIWI]
The first two weeks of BIWI's BC are to get us all into ketosis quickly and nuts are a problem because they are so damned MOREISH and it's easy to put away a whole lot of them and therefore eat too many carbs (not good in first two stricter weeks as the plan is to get rid of sugar/carb cravings and make sure we're all in optimum fat-burning mode)
Didn't you already lose some weight last week or week before?

CalamityKate Mon 20-Jan-14 18:07:13

Yes I lost 6lb sad

Also I noticed in DrBs book he says to drink enough so that your wee is pale - which for me is achieveable but I have to admit I'm struggling to drink the amount recommended here?

Please don't think I'm trying to be critical or awkward! Just wondering at some of the discrepancies! I want to understand and hopefully get back to losing! smile

BerylStreep Mon 20-Jan-14 18:12:20

Hello all.

I lost 5 lbs this week! It should have been 7 lbs, but I had a wine fuelled carb binge on Saturday night. Not good.

Anyhow, onwards and upwards!

Lighthousekeeping Mon 20-Jan-14 18:18:00

I've just had a bowl of orange low cal jelly. I crave something sweet after dinner. I hope it doesn't knock me out too much.

MrsPnut Mon 20-Jan-14 18:28:50

I am stuffed, and need to head out to a meeting in a minute.

B - 2 boiled eggs, slice of gouda and slice go ham
l - curried cauliflower soup, natural yoghurt
D - leftovers, roast chicken, cheesy leeks and mashed swede.

I'm off to the loo and then drink another pint of water before I go out.

hopebeyondreason Mon 20-Jan-14 18:29:48

Sorry Beryl, but really a bit envy at you losing 5lbs after a wine fuelled carb binge.

Today -

B - Coffee with cream, 2 egg omelette with bacon, mushrooms & asparagus fried in butter

L - rocket, spinach & watercress salad with chicken, feta cheese, olives, cucumber & FF mayo

D - pork belly rashers with leek, courgette & mushrooms fried in butter.

Snacks - cup of tea with milk, some brie cheese (probably too much) & a little bit of total yogurt. Might have another coffee with cream later.

FourArms Mon 20-Jan-14 18:32:09

Thanks blizy. I am really pleased. I'm down from sz 18/20 to 14 as well. Just need to lose another pound and I'll have lost 20% of my starting weight! Loving LCing smile

Woolfey Mon 20-Jan-14 18:41:58

Wow FourArms that is brilliant! Well done smile

Nux Mon 20-Jan-14 19:12:22

Feeling much better today, especially as I'm wearing some jeans that have been a little <ahem> uncomfortable of late and they feel fine again :-). Woot! Well done everyone!

prettybird Mon 20-Jan-14 19:13:05

<creeping in very late and hoping that Miss won't be too hard on me> wink

I was 10 stone 16lb 156lb last week. I'd made good progress over the week and even got to the magic "3 digits" again (10 stone 9lb) but a Burns Supper and too much wine over the weekend put paid to that and the scales resolutely refused to show anything less than 10 stone 13lb this morning.

Still, as least I am now definitely back into the "10 stone something" territory! grin

Had yoghurt for breakfast, avocado and bacon salad with homemade coleslaw for lunch and am having meatballs in tomator sayce (not too much sauce) on buttered courgette "tagliatelle" for supper.

Dh is doing this diet WoE with me which helps smile

ChesterDrawers Mon 20-Jan-14 19:24:50

Evening all, just checking in before I settle down to watch the sugar programme on channel 4 in a bit. A good day for me, stuck to the plan and even managed minimal dairy. Going to have a decaf with cream in a bit, mind, I'm not a bloody martyr!

Just prepped all my food for work tomorrow and got my gym kit ready for my early morning spin class. Seem to have got my mojo back now my period is on its way out.

Hope everyone's doing ok.

LauraBridges Mon 20-Jan-14 19:26:25

Thanks for posting this link www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Trends/Gluten-free/Dietitians-say-anti-wheat-pro-nutrition-info-sentiments-will-top-2014-trends?nocount. For a good few years I have been eatuing almost exclusive paleo/primal and no bread etc and feeling so very very good and happy on it and yet it is only in this year I have started seeing the mainstream media reporting that it might be a healthy way to eat so it's a lovely change.

I am battling on despite my gain (and I did follow this 100% for 5 days and lost nothing at all but then I don't have huge amounts to lose - at 10 stone am upper limit of healthy BMI and I gave up the wheat etc 4 or 5 years ago so it's not some massive new change for me although I had hoped dropping the cheese and the nuts and raisins last week would have led to huge early gains). Anyway I am back on it today and also need to remember that even without weight loss I virtually catch no germs on this, wake up stable and feeling happy and I just feel right so that's enough....

B bacon (2 slices) 3 eggs yolks
L chicken fried with courgettes green peppers and also spinach boiled with butter - a very green lunch
D - tuna with onion fried only is highish carb but only about 6g and I've had hardly any today

Had big urge to buy nuts and raisins when out but resisted.

HeirToTheIronThrone Mon 20-Jan-14 19:26:30

Strict day today despite the presence of big meeting lunch. And, bargain alert for fish lovers - whole rainbow trout are only £3 a kilo on the fish counter at Tesco, there are two big fat ones cooking in loads of garlic butter in my oven currently which was less than £2!! To be had with asparagus and samphire and more melted butter...

LucyVFood Mon 20-Jan-14 19:30:00

Well done everyone!

I'd love some ideas from you guys. I'm approaching my first 'trial': a weekend away. Staying in a hotel, so no facilities at all.

Cooked breakfasts are likely, as are fish and chips, a Chinese and possibly an Indian.

Do I just say fuck it and eat what I like, or can anyone recommend damage control?

BIWI Mon 20-Jan-14 19:32:12

CalamityKate!!!! <exasperated face>

This is Bootcamp. It isn't Dr Briffa's book or plan. If you follow the rules - which are clearly laid out in the Bootcamp area, then you will lose weight. You have already lost weight!

a) you've already lost 6lbs, which is brilliant


b) you're complaining that you haven't lost any more recently


c) you say you're confused

If you want to follow Dr Briffa, obviously that's fine, and totally up to you. But it's very different from Bootcamp. Personally I think he writes more about a sort of maintenance kind of diet - a general low carb diet. You will lose weight on it if you're overweight.

But Bootcamp is set up to be a stricter way of eating - especially the first two weeks.

If you're eating nuts and not drinking all the water, then you are likely to see a lower weight loss.

LauraBridges Mon 20-Jan-14 19:34:29

(Lucy, at hotels etc I find you can stick to this - bacon and eggs for breakfast, usually you're having lunch out or have some meat/fish with veg and dinner is easy any English food -steak or pork chop or lamb chop or fish with the veg but not the carb. No fish and chips, chinese or Indian if you can help it.

BIWI Mon 20-Jan-14 19:36:54

For the benefit of everyone, here are Bootcamp rules:

Bootcamp Rules

1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn’t have to be a lot, and it doesn’t have to be absolutely first thing, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you’re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn’t be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack).

After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger.

A typical high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule of thumb here is ‘if you are hungry, eat!’. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of course!)

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals – meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, bacon, pre-prepared burgers, Pepperami etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars. These products contain all manner of artificial ingredients, and often contain sugar. You should always check the carb counts of these foods if you are including them, as some of them can be surprisingly high (e.g. Tesco Chargrilled Burgers - per burger, fried, there are 5.4g carbs)

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body’s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little). Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first).

Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are 3g carb per 100g or less, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don’t have to weigh/count carbs – this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you’re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

5. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited)
Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte contains more than 12g carbs!)

You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it.

Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. This is from http://www.low-carbdiet.co.uk/. Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be

Your Weight----------Litres

High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour.

However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb diet we can eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it. Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt.

7. No alcohol
Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning instead.

If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8. No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada

After Bootcamp you will be able to introduce certain fruits, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that you need.

9. No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later, when we move into Bootcamp Light - it can be too easy to start snacking on these, and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in Bootcamp - don't do it to yourself!

10. No sugar or artificial sweeteners
Sugar is an obvious ‘no no’, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended.
Some people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and therefore laying down fat. Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two weeks.

Lovecat Mon 20-Jan-14 19:43:30

Yay, so many great losses smile

Am thoroughly stuffed. Managed to avoid temptation while making a Mario cake today, usually I end up scarfing the excess buttercream and cake bits, but it all went in the bin instead (except for one small bit for DD). Today's food was:

B - leftover LC cassoulet
L - curried cauli soup with a swirl of cream
S - stick of celery with cream cheese on it
D - LC bolognese on a bed of spinach with mozzarella melted on top... mmm nomnom...

I bought a skirt in the January sales that was fairly tight on the waist, this morning it zipped up no problem and doesn't cut into me at all. Woohooo!! grin

teaandthorazine Mon 20-Jan-14 19:48:17

Everyone going to watch the sugar programme at 8pm? Could be interesting.

So, today's Plates Of Loveliness:

B: protein shake with double cream
L: crayfish and avocado salad, kale chips
D: pork belly strips, roasted broccoli and peppers, buttered cabbage

May have a bit of yoghurt later but am trying to keep the dairy down a bit this week. Have drunk 2L (possibly more) water and had 1 cup of tea and 1 coffee with a splash of milk. I did absentmindedly pour the dressing over the salad before realising that it was probably quite sugary, but other than that, a pretty good day.

Really must start working with the kettlebells sometime...I have lots of motivation for changing my diet, not much for changing my (total lack of) exercise routine hmm

LucyVFood Mon 20-Jan-14 19:49:51

Thanks Laura. We're going to the coast so DH and the kids will definitely expect fish and chips. Taking them out for dinner is a must too. They love Chinese food so that's going to be a hard one to avoid. I could probably talk them out of the Indian and into a fish restaurant that we like.

I don't really want to eat separate meals from the rest of my family, or to make it all about me and what I 'need' to eat sad

I could just have the fish and not the chips I guess. Is there ever a good option in a Chinese?

whodunnit Mon 20-Jan-14 19:53:38

Just marking my place ....dropped a littlt today - need to do the spreadshhet conversion from kilos.

thenightsky Mon 20-Jan-14 19:55:13

Thanks for the reminder tea smile

googoogoggles Mon 20-Jan-14 19:58:25

<sitting down with decaff/cream to watch sugar programme>

Methe Mon 20-Jan-14 19:58:51

Im afraid I'm having a glass of wine. I had a panic attack work today, the first one I've had for a couple of years so I'm calling it medicinal sad

8lb down since last Monday so hopefully it won't do to much damage.

JaxTellerIsAllMine Mon 20-Jan-14 20:02:33

hi all, Im so sorry but I am going to have to bow out of bootcamp for now. I have concussion, and it sucks. Ive lost 3lbs so far and will keep on going,but Im not up for the bootcamp at moment.

JakeBullet Mon 20-Jan-14 20:04:31

Anyone watching Dispatches? All about our addiction to sugar!

I am 8lbs down.......weighing again tomorrow and really watching it all. And DS is doing the same without knowing it! And no complaints so far....

AthelstaneTheUnready Mon 20-Jan-14 20:12:56

Aw, Jax, you poor thing. Not surprised. Will there be a lot of sofa in your near future? <here's hoping>

Methe, sorry to hear that too - triggered by anything in particular? <shows ignorance> Are you feeling a bit better?

Dull news today: bought some scales for the magnificent sum of £3.99 at Argos. They probably don't work too well, so tomorrow morning's delayed weighing may be a double surprise.

JaxTellerIsAllMine Mon 20-Jan-14 20:16:37

yes, lots of sofa for me, no driving, practically housebound. On the plus side a new back door will be fitted soon. Lets hope this one is skull proof.

AthelstaneTheUnready Mon 20-Jan-14 20:19:49

Blimey, I missed the bit where you put your head right through the door! shock no wonder you need something softer. A padded cell with sofa sounds very soothing <wistful> and <jealous>

Methe Mon 20-Jan-14 20:27:46

Jax I hope you feel better soon smile

Panic attack caused by stress at work, that's all. Bastarding things they are.

prettybird Mon 20-Jan-14 20:29:16

My Pilates instructor was telling me how a) she never went off fat and still used FF milk and yoghurt and b) that her dh now follows a low carb/high fat diet (strictly, so no fruit whatsoever) and his diabetes is now fully controlled smilesmile and he has lost 3 stone (not sure over what period). Another vote of confidence! grin

We got talking about diet as she was drinking some rooibos and I commented that it was the only "tea" that I could drink without milk even if I prefer it with milk

Piscivorus Mon 20-Jan-14 20:30:05

Sal Maybe you and I have a bootcamp bug! I too am feeling sick but I feel a bit achey and fluey too, just hoping it is a carb flu rather than a real one

Food today:
1 sausage, 2 rashers bacon, 2 eggs scrambled with cream
1/2 avocado, salmon, scallops and prawns in mayo
Pork chop topped with welsh rarebit mix, mashed celeriac with butter and cream, broccoli and cauliflower

Not enough water really as have been out but not too bad.

Piscivorus Mon 20-Jan-14 20:33:18

BTW CalamityKate Can I just second what BIWI has said about follow one set of rules or another.
When I first started this over a year ago there was a lot of publicity about the Idiot Proof Diet which is also low carb, so similar but different, and I got totally confused between the two. You will find it easier to pick one and stick to it, otherwise you end up with the worst of all worlds

BIWI Mon 20-Jan-14 20:33:44

Oh no, Jax sad

I hope you're fully recovered soon flowers

CalamityKate Mon 20-Jan-14 21:00:32

Oh ok! I thought low carb was, well, low carb and that Dr B sort of invented it!

I only got the nuts the other day. I haven't been chomping them for the 2 weeks previous smile

Reading the BC rules I've pretty much been following them really.

Thank you all. I will keep on keeping on!

tenementfunster Mon 20-Jan-14 21:02:34

Lost 3 and quarter pounds
Quite happy with that. Xmas troughing is a dim and distant memory!

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Mon 20-Jan-14 21:04:49

betty thank you so much for the one pound of fat piccy! Awesomingly revolting!

lucy I have always found it much easier to LC in an Indian restaurant rather than a Chinese. I have something like a tandoori mixed grill (these are usually dry, not covered in a possibly sugary sauce) and some lovely side dishes that involve spinach or fried cheese or mushrooms. I think you can get okra too sometimes though I've never tried it or checked the carb count. Much easier than Chinese where things do tend to be coated in sugar.

5lbs down which is great, esp since I only started properly on Wednesday. I am another long term LCer who turned into a carby twat over Xmas/NY so am very pleased with seeing a good chunk of my gain gone.

BIWI Mon 20-Jan-14 21:10:14

Methe sorry you're having a bad time - sounds like wine is definitely required grin

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Mon 20-Jan-14 21:10:18

Yday food:
B 2 eggs, 2 bacon, mushrooms, all fried in butter
L egg mayo wrapped in little gem lettuce, one slice pork belly
D roast chicken with roasted veg and a little "gravy" made from the juices

Today food:
B 2 eggs, scrambled with butter and double cream
L smoked salmon salad
S leftover cold roast chicken leg
D chicken wrapped in cheese and ham, Brussel sprouts

I have a one black coffee every morning then a couple of decaffs with cream later in the day. Managing the water.

Remember as someone said on week one
"no drinkey water, no losey weighty!"

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 20-Jan-14 21:21:20

And The trend is your friend

Like that saying too grin

Methe Mon 20-Jan-14 21:22:09

Thank you BIWI smile it went down a treat! I'm back on the straight and narrow now with a glass of water.

BIWI Mon 20-Jan-14 21:26:07


B - 2 boiled eggs
L - Pret A Manger crayfish and avocado salad
s - yoghurt
D - IPD Moussaka with salad

About 3 litres of water so far, and still going ...

NellVarnish Mon 20-Jan-14 21:27:49

Aw Calamity and those who've not lost this week, don't worry, the Whoosh Fairy is probably winging her way to you as I type!

thanks for Jax and Methe - hope you're both feeling a bit better this evening.

thanks to Crabby for the link to your blog, it looks really interesting and I'm looking forward to reading it. Don't think I could stomach cheeks though lily-livered. Are they bottom cheeks?! Or the other ones? Either way, I'm out as they say on Dragons Den. grin

Love the pound of fat pic Betty - I lost 8 of them this week but there's plenty more where that came from!

We'll done EVERYONE, whether you've lost, gained or stayed the same - we're all in this together!

NellVarnish Mon 20-Jan-14 21:28:49

*Pistey, I pm'd you for a catch up - didn't want to hijack the thread.

HumphreyCobbler Mon 20-Jan-14 21:34:00


Post period I am feeling back to my normal self and straight back into bootcamp without any pain. Today I ate

yoghurt and black coffee
scrambled eggs with butter and ham, salad with dressing
homemade beefburger, cabbage fried in butter with chorizo and roasted celeriac.

and vast amounts of water.

Lavenderhoney Mon 20-Jan-14 21:38:13

I haven't updated the spreadsheet yet but I will tomorrow. Laptop issues.

However I have lost 8 pounds so am nearly back down to my pre dh weight! 132 pounds today!

Anyone feeling disheartened I was nearly 11 stone last jan, lc diligently following the bootcamp, but didn't start running til sept when all dc finally at school. I was lc mostly ( holidays and high days not) but just got back on the wagon.

Water is the key, and remembering that you will have roast potatoes again or whatever, just not nowsmile don't cook so manysmile

Well done loserssmile)

Ruprekt Mon 20-Jan-14 21:42:42

Dh made a lovely meal tonight.

Cauli rice fried in butter with cream and goats cheese
Veal meatballs (£1 from Waitrosewink)

Really filling and enough for lunch tomorrow! smile

L...frankfurter with leeks and mushrooms and cauli cheese
S...parmesan shortbread with butter
D....meatball Delishusness


CalamityKate Mon 20-Jan-14 21:46:15

How the hell do you all drink so much?!?!?!?!

I'm living on the loo as it is!

Made the mistake of having black coffee this morning and quite literally weed - proper full wees mind you! - every ten minutes for an hour!

fizzly Mon 20-Jan-14 21:47:40

Hi all. Am a pound up, but no surprise really as I had a write-off of a weekend, hen do etc. Am still 4 lb down in last fortnight and will be super strict this week.


B: 2 eggs
L: spinach/celeriac soup
D: mince concoction with cauli rice and asparagus. Had a little yogurt with the magic vanilla powder this evening too.

Have had TONNES of water today. Here's hoping for a better loss this coming week.

SteeleyeStan Mon 20-Jan-14 21:57:50

I'm tired, cold and feeling a bit deflated. Really wish I could whip up a creamy hot chocolate right now... Sigh.

Nothing majorly wrong (poor Jax and Methe!), just a busy day, and an evening sorting through storage and doing three loads of washing etc. and having house-buying wobbles (we're supposed to move next month, but I'll believe it when I see it).

Will a hot chocolate made with double cream, water and 100% cocoa powder be okay on BC Light?

NotTwit Mon 20-Jan-14 22:12:49

Ah crap, I'm a twat, could someone lovely change 168 to 156 for week one. I have not lost 19lbs yet it is 9 lbs.

prettybird Mon 20-Jan-14 22:17:24

Thought that you lot might be interested in this: Myth Buster: Carbs are not the enemy hmm

While elements of it are OK (like the need to avoid processed foods and sugars) it doesn't include anything in there about the role that fat has as a fuel and why you then don't need such a high proportion of even the "good" carbs.

I'll stick to Boot Camp. It works grin

NotTwit Mon 20-Jan-14 22:23:41

To be clear, how many pounds in a stone?
I am confused today, it has been One Of Those Days.

Ruprekt Mon 20-Jan-14 22:29:22

16oz in 1lb

14lbs in a stone

bettybigballs Mon 20-Jan-14 22:37:41

Ohhhh there's a thread in chat that's getting me frustrated. I detest the wilful misunderstanding of low carb despite being told clearly on the same thread what it is or isn't.

It's NOT cutting out a whole food

Might need to put computer away and go to bed before I pop a vein!

bettybigballs Mon 20-Jan-14 22:38:27

Whole food group, obvs. Too irritated to type smile

CrabbyWinterBottom Mon 20-Jan-14 22:38:30

Willie they're great aren't they. I didn't get the chance to take a picture of them tonight - too hungry grin - but will definitely put up a recipe for that in the future. I've never tried osso buco - will get DP to ask at the butchers.

Now Stunt, were you just blinding us with science to disguise the fact that you were advocating drinking vodka to induce weight loss... grin

Thumb why don't you have a little side bowl of melted butter that you can dunk your veggies in? wink

Betty shock at the fat!

Tintin sorry to hear that. Your food looks fine. Is it around your period when you're likely to be retaining water? List your food intake daily here and we'll give you more feedback.

Aargh what is happening with my blog links?? confused It's called Feast Without Regret - so if the link isn't working you could google it. I'll try once more...
feastwithoutregret.wordpress.com or here is a link to a salmon recipe rather than the main blog page.

Nell thank you. smile No not piggy buttock cheeks! grin They're the muscle of the cheek and are compact sort of oval chunks. When slow cooked they're lean, tender and just fall apart with your fork.

Sorry to hear that Jax. sad Get well soon.

Some amazing losses here today. Well done everyone who's stuck to it. For those who haven't seen the losses they hoped for, I'm going to repeat the questions I posted this morning...

1) Have you enjoyed your food this week?
2) Have you felt hungry or deprived (taking into account that you can't have nuts, berries or the odd taste of very dark chocolate, which is hard)?
3) Are you feeling better in other ways? More clear headed, less bloated?
4) Is this a sustainable and enjoyable way of eating?

Keep on keeping on and you will get to where you want to be.

EvaTheOptimist Mon 20-Jan-14 22:51:02

Twit I've gone for 158 as your start weight (neither 168 or 156) but it does then show you've lost 9 lbs. Is that correct?

And by the way, well done, that's LOADS!

Bugsylugs Mon 20-Jan-14 22:51:34

Have really enjoyed the last week. 4lbs down, DH 8 lb down so happy household. Had gym MOT blood sugar was 3.9 not even diabetic bit low really.

Someone posted a slow roast pork belly don't think it was on the recipe thread can anyone shed any light must cook ours tomorrow.

Well done everyone and keep those spirits up

NotTwit Mon 20-Jan-14 22:55:07

Thank you, that's what I thought. So yeah...
Not eaten much today as have stretch it out til Wednesday, so a bit peckish now. I could do with a milky drink but will hold off and glug the last of my water. Might risk some cheese.
Have felt pretty good today though, so hopefully getting threre.
B- sausage and decaf bulletproof coffee with cream
D- egg, bacon, 1/2 tomato, mushrooms fried on butter
T- buttery spinach and chicken thigh.
All my water
I have in fact just melted some cheese on a plate and eaten that.

NotTwit Mon 20-Jan-14 22:57:50

eva I'll leave it in your capable hands, I've confused myself. This is what happens when perfectly good numbers fall off of spreadsheets.

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Mon 20-Jan-14 23:08:46

Didnt weigh in this morning as I overslept. Monday is a crazy day for me - I work then have Uni - and usually eat badly and on the go. Not today! not much anyway......

B- Breakfast Tortilla (bacon, cheese, mushrooms)
S- Turkey chunks
L- Spanish Chicken
D - Chilli prawns and mini sausages.

No cravings either! All good - will weigh in the morning - not expecting a loss after my Ofsted shaped drama last week though. sad

Bugsylugs Mon 20-Jan-14 23:35:14

I've found the belly pork recipe on the questions thread

MyPreciousRing Tue 21-Jan-14 01:57:45

Just been to the loo again...
Managing to drink two and half litres daily now but am literally needing to wee every hour in the day and two or three times per night.
Does this even out at all? Very uncomfortable at work as can only go couple times in working day (not including before and afterwards)

Thumbwitch Tue 21-Jan-14 04:34:20

Crabby, while I appreciate fully your attempts to help me with my buttered veg, the thought of a bowl of melted butter aside of me made me gag! grin

No, I think just separating out some for DS2 at the start and then putting a blob of butter on the rest of mine will be the way, and I'll just have to make sure I over-estimate how much he's going to need. smile

Long journey today - 2h each way on the train - so took sausages and cheese to have for late breakfast and lunch. 2 sausages + 1 Babybel for each "meal".
Dinner will have lots of veggies, I expect, although I also expect I'm going to be cooking it as DH has just gone to the dentist with "the biggest hole EVAH" in his tooth hmm that "will probably need a root canal" - well it might but if it does they won't do it today. Temp filling for now and book again for a longer slot later, that's the usual form. But I can just guarantee that he'll be all "poor me" and "I can't possibly cook, I'm in too much paaaiiiin" when he gets back.

So - salmon fillets for dinner, with parmesan and coriander crust. The salmon has to be cooked 3 ways to work - in the frying pan first, in butter, to sear the bottom; then add liquid and the lid to steam it, then add the topping and grill. It's VERY nice. smile

CheerfulYank Tue 21-Jan-14 04:36:21

I'm here smile Need to get better about drinking my water!

MyPreciousRing Tue 21-Jan-14 06:34:04

Good luck with the water cheerful yank
I absolutely believe it's the water which makes all the difference (even if I am grumbling about needing the loo all the time)
I've tried LC before but never drank this much water; had small losses.
This time... Nearly 8 and a half pounds in 8 days grinshocksmile

Thumbwitch Tue 21-Jan-14 06:37:04

Yes I do need to drink more as well, especially with the breastfeeding too. Probably need even more than the chart suggests!

sybilfaulty Tue 21-Jan-14 06:37:19

Morning everyone!

Quick weigh for me today - 5lbs off! Am thrilled. Have stuck to the programme pretty well and managed gallons of water, though a bit of wine did sneak in over the weekend. I am out again twice this week so will have to try to do better.

Well done to everyone who has lost and a manly pat on the back to those who are struggling. This is a long term WOE and sometimes RL gets in the way. In last summer's BC, I started really well but then my work tried to make me redundant and LC went completely out of the window. I ended the BC heavier than I'd started! Oops.

If you can manage another week of BC, it does get easier and once you get into the LC mindset you can avoid bread, potatoes, pasta etc without feeling hard done by. Promise. I can now happily make cakes, toast (my favourite carb really, apart from wine), pasta etc for the rest of the family or for friends and I honestly don't miss it. The food is just so delicious and not fake, like all the Weight watchers crap which is such big business. I have struggled with my weight since being a teenager and have spent probably hundreds, if not thousands, on various crackpot diets, meal replacements, WWs sweets and choc etc (where the first and therefore greatest ingredient is a chemical!). I now eat lovely fresh food with lots of veggies, butter, avocados, good fat and nothing really with an ingredient my granny wouldn't recognise. That has to be healthier, surely. Plus I am slimmer, if not lighter, than I was since I had kids. Still got a way to go though!

Must get dressed. Early start on work days. Gah!

Nell and Pistey - lovely to see you here. Am embarrassed by my lack of running prowess. I will write more when I have a little more time but suffice it to say Week 1, Run 1 beckons.....

Have a great day everyone.

Thumbwitch Tue 21-Jan-14 06:37:46
sybilfaulty Tue 21-Jan-14 06:39:51

Wow, MyPrecious, that is awesome, as my 8 year old would say! Well done.

Thumb, I drank gallons of water whilst I was BF as I was very thirsty, even with a diet of hobnobs and cake. Just watch your salts if you are drinking a huge amount and have some avocado or salmon (or a cup of bovril / bouillon) to keep things in check.

JaxTellerIsAllMine Tue 21-Jan-14 07:25:21

thanks everyone, I just need to get this week over with, Im so much better today, I would say 80% back to normal. So, going to do short walk with dogs, get my nails done and chill rest of day.

Ive got a hen weekend this weekend and as I am the brides sister I have to party - BUT I have food sorted so I can eat LC and try hard to drink vodka soda and alternate with water.

I will be back, promise, just not hardcore bootcamp for me at moment. smile

gussiegrips Tue 21-Jan-14 07:36:37

Can someone remind me how to bookmark a thread?

In other news, I forgot about the fruit. Was soooo looking forward to rasps/blueberries in fat yogurt for brekkie.

hey ho.

AthelstaneTheUnready Tue 21-Jan-14 07:41:29

Good news - I've lost 5lbs. Bad news - I had lost 8 a few days ago but 3 have reappeared. However, I am not dwelling on the bad news bit since a) I've had the cold from hell and everything about my body has gone a bit haywire this week, b) I wasn't able to do (keep down) the three meals a day strictly, and c) I feel so very very different anyway - all sort of gathered in and taut and precise.

So hoorah for 5lbs and hoorah for finally beginning to feel more human, and hoorah for finding I will be in better shape recovering than I was before getting ill!

(p.s. I would measure, but there's no heating in my house and I only have an old metal builder's tape measure, and the thought of unwrapping my cosy layers to wrap a freezing bit of metal around my waist... shock )

Gerrythetootallgiraffeswife Tue 21-Jan-14 08:05:50

Morning all. Didn't post yesterday as I was waiting to check that my weight loss had 'stuck' (and that it WAS the woosh fairy and not the dehydration fairy as BIWI suggested that visited me on Sunday morning after a splash bottle of prosecco on Saturday night). Whoosh indeed! After 2 weeks of full bootcamp (I'm all or nothing, if I'd done a soft start I would have binged so just started a week early instead) I have lost 11lb! I am thrilled and a total convert. And now absolutely have to stick to it because I keep waxing lyrical about smothering everything in butter. If I don't lose the weight everyone will definitely think 'well what did she think would happen smothering things in butter and putting cream in her coffee?!'

I also feel my attitude to food has changed. Whenever I see people trying to lose weight in other ways (like my colleague who just brings fruit in for lunch) I feel very smug. I had tried everything in the past, and can't believe I expected ww/sw to be sustainable. I am no longer manic about food. I consume it, it doesn't consume me. I was the biggest bread and pasta fan and now I really don't understand why. It's so bland! Just like eating cardboard with your proper dinner. Why have spaghetti instead of deliciously olive oily peppery courgette-i. It's even quicker to cook!

I think I may have become a radicalised lcer thanks to BIWI and bootcamp...

FourArms Tue 21-Jan-14 08:05:59

Whoosh fairy smile 1.6lb down (I think mainly because I hadn't been to the loo for a few days). Now 20% lighter than I was at the start of September smile 16lb to target smile

Turnitoffandonagain Tue 21-Jan-14 08:07:41

Can I join please? Im not sure if i've added my name - I am hopeless with speadsheets. If not could somebody add me please, I am 189lbs today.

CalamityKate Tue 21-Jan-14 08:07:55


Had a bit of a runny bum a few days ago and haven't been properly since. Still getting the urge to go every morning but all I'm passing is an eggcupful of porridgey-consistency. Sorry blush

I'm assuming as it's not hard I don't need a stool softener - what do I take to have a really good clear out??

FourArms Tue 21-Jan-14 08:12:05

Maybe that's all that there is? I don't go to the loo as often now and there's seldom much there when I do.

blizy Tue 21-Jan-14 08:24:24

Jax, enjoy your relaxing day, you defo deserve it. Hope you feel better very soon.
Me the,I hope you are also feeling better, panic attacks are the work of the devil.

Yesterday I had
B- scrambled egg and 2 bits of bacon
L- broccolli soup
D- nandos chicken salad (without dressing) but I did eat dh's left over chicken skin.
I drank 4l of water and 2 cups of green tea shock

Today I plan on eating
B- ff yog with splash of cream
L- cottage pie
D- ribeye steak, mashed turnip and broccolli (yum).
Snacks if any will be, cheese, celery sticks and pepper slices.

blizy Tue 21-Jan-14 08:28:35

Calamity, I was blocked up, didn't go to the loo for around 2 weeks. I bought some tablets from boots and have been taking one before bed for the past 4 nights. Well, let's just say they worked this morning (I should have weighed myself after), I feel about 4 stone lighter now!

Woolfey Tue 21-Jan-14 08:45:47

Morning everyone,
Didn't drink enough water yesterday at all so attempting to rectify that today.

My meal plan for the day:
B - left over pork belly (was really yum)
L - some sort of omelette/scrambled eggs & salad
T - cheese & pork belly
D - left over roast beef, mashed swede, brocolli & gravy

Swede has become my new friend. I'm seriously loving it mashed up with all sorts of bits & pieces then fried up bubble & squeak style. Thanks to whoever mentioned that on last weeks thread smile

teaandthorazine Tue 21-Jan-14 08:55:12

Gerry, fab loss, that's great! Know exactly what you mean about feeling smug, btw. I know it's not something to be proud of but it does happen - you feel as if you've found the magic key!

I find myself inordinately interested in the contents of other people's shopping trollies as well blush

CalamityKate Tue 21-Jan-14 09:05:35

Thanks fourarms and blizy!

RatherBeOnThePiste Tue 21-Jan-14 09:17:28

Nelllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy You have mail from meeeeeee!!!

Morning Losers brew smile

heliumheart Tue 21-Jan-14 09:24:56

Morning all. Am slightly depressed that my masochistic tendency to daily weigh now shows I'm almost 3lb up on yesterday. Really didn't think I overdid it, although I DID have a large portion of low-carb lasagne. Just to check I put the ingredients into MFP and it's coming up as about 12g per large portion. Anyway, I know the drill, daily weighing can show fluctuations etc... but it's making me feel a bit meh nonetheless.

I know it's a massive cliche, but yesterday I did an ENORMOUS food shop at Lidl and am in shock at how bloody cheap it is. I have shopped there before (through necessity, we lived in Switzerland at the time and the alternative was paying £20 for a small packet of nappies and I had twins confused) but have forgotten just how amazing it is. Everything I bought is of good quality, trolley full of vegetables and meat, and either I'd forgotten how good the variety is or they've improved it recently. I managed to pick up swede, celeriac, leeks, kale, smoked salmon, parmesan, fresh chicken breasts, steak, mince, etc etc and the prices are just fantastic. Massive shop, easily enough for a week's food, at £65. I'm a convert (again). As an example, I think I paid £4.49 for a 1kg tub of Total from Ocado, the Lidl greek yoghurt was £1.89 for the same sized tub.

Anyway, I know I'm probably preaching to the converted but still grin

Food for today:

B - scrambled eggs/smoked salmon + creamy coffee x 2
L - leftover lasagna with salad
D - steak + wilted spinach

ChesterDrawers Tue 21-Jan-14 09:29:29

Morning everyone, hope you are all doing ok? No time to read back yet this morning but will do at some point.

Am feeling a bit fed up today sad. Feel fat and useless, couldn’t even be bothered to get up and go to the gym today so I stayed in bed instead.

Nevertheless, I will crack on. Got all day meeting today in which there will be cake. Hope I can keep the willpower in place to avoid. Plan is:

B: eggs, ham and butter
L: Tuna salad with basil olive oil
D: salmon, courgettes and leeks fried in butter

Lots of water, a few decaffs – mostly black but one with cream.

EvaTheOptimist Tue 21-Jan-14 09:32:14

Great post gerry that's how I feel too.

CrabbyWinterBottom Tue 21-Jan-14 09:39:21

Thumb maybe that's not such a good idea then! grin I can happily eat butter straight from the pack - bit of butter on the spoon then a little bit of marmite. Who needs the toast?! When DD was little it was quite common to find teeth marks in the butter when you opened the packet - she'd swipe it out of the fridge when no one was looking and take big bites out of it. Born to be a low carber, my girl. wink Mind you, on one memorable occasion we heard (sitting in bed upstairs) the fridge door open, a pause, and then a looooooong farting sound. Transpired she was emptying the squeezy tomato ketchup bottle straight into her mouth. shock

Great post Sybil. What happened about your job in the end?

Athel I want to feel gathered in and taut and precise! I don't think I've ever felt like that in my life....
And grin at the thought of you shivering in the cold trying to wrap a metal tape measure around yourself. Buy a sewing tape measure, woman!

GatoradeMeBitch Tue 21-Jan-14 09:41:20

I woke up very motivated today, I've just come back from the supermarket - I dropped four boxes of chocolates, bags of crisps and packets of biscuits and crackers in the food bank bin. And I've put my son's junk food in one small cupboard that I don't need to look in.

I'm having 2 boiled eggs and some turkey ham for breakfast, then I'm making a list of all the food I have inc expiry dates and making a meal plan for the week.

TinTinsSexySister Tue 21-Jan-14 09:51:40

In the interests of seeing where I'm going wrong this time around - so baffling as this has worked for me twice before - I'm going to log my diet here.

Please, please if any one spots the problems do let me know.

B: ham and cheese, cucumber, celery
L: Homemade LC Brocc & Cauli soup
D: Fish florentine as per the recipe thread, with chard wilted in butter

1 litre of water already this morning, and one cup of tea

EwanHoozami Tue 21-Jan-14 09:55:02

Calamity You have said goodbye to the era of the carby megapoo grin

Less waste in, less waste out. Or something more sciencey.

EwanHoozami Tue 21-Jan-14 09:57:31

TinTin it all looks good, but are you eating enough? That's not loads of food, What other fats did you eat apart from the cheese for breakfast and butter with the chard?

EwanHoozami Tue 21-Jan-14 10:13:41

And for those who haven't seen the loss coming yet - keep at it. This way of eating works. Those rules <points upthread to BIWI's reminder> bloody well work, I promise.

Keep chugging the water. I find it hard to drink water straight out of a tap this time of year as it's so cold it gives me ice-brain. I keep a big jug of room temp water with sliced cucumber in and neck it at regular intervals and kid myself that I'm in a posh spa

So today...

B - Lidl yog (did anyone notice that the brand has changed, btw? Still the same carb count thankfully!)
L - leftover feta and leek crustless quiche
D - Ham, egg and (celeriac) chips. Hooray!

snack - avocado and mayo

LittleMissDisorganized Tue 21-Jan-14 10:19:16

So glad to be waking up feeling better, and had to remind myself to eat breakfast!! That is just SO unlike me - hunger has woken me for the last 20 years smile
I had a really productive 'organising my recovery' sort of day yesterday, so am really pleased with that. Starting online CPD modules from today - this is all great in my little world.

And I ate:
B: 2 scrambled eggs, 1 rasher bacon, 2 chipolatas (Tesco finest are <3g/100)
L: leftover pork from previous night (wrapped in bacon stuffed with pesto mozzarella and basil) and leafy salad with h/m vinaigrette
D: h/m beefburgers (highest fat mince, w grated courgette and grated cheese) celeriac 'chips' and salad and dressing.

Too much processed meat, I think... but it's working at the moment for me so just need to keep an eye I think?
Not planning of having any today so maybe it will balance out??

CalamityKate Tue 21-Jan-14 10:23:50

Ewan I seem to have said goodbye to anything that looks remotely like a poo at all grin

On the upside (again, TMI sorry) they are remarkably un smelly....

Lovecat Tue 21-Jan-14 10:37:36


jax thanks and methe thanks hope you're both feeling better soon.

I have just got back from DD' s first dyslexia tutor session, the only place to sit whilst waiting is the local church's coffee shop (I had great plans to go for a walk as it's right by the common but the freezing fog we've got down here this morning put paid to that idea) - they do amazing homemade cakes and there on the counter was the world's largest,moistest, most delicious-looking coffee & walnut cake... I resisted temptation and had a black coffee.

Calamity, I'm having the same issue - never had this on low carb before, it's always been 'normal' but less frequent - this is like having intermittent diahorrea but never feeling fully cleared out (apols for tmi). It's been over a week now so I'm going to take something. And drink more water smile

Today is shopping day, I'm about to consult the recipe thread for ideas. I went to Aldi last week and was astonished at how cheap it was. Unfortunately they didn't have everything I needed and the top up in Sainsbury's cost as much as all the meat and most of the veg I'd bought there - for a few lousy bits and bobs!

Today's proposed menu is:

B - leftover Bolognese
L - salad of some description
D - roast chicken with celeriac dauphinoise and greens

FourArms Tue 21-Jan-14 10:38:20

I've noticed that CK - I also don't get 'wind' any more! My DH thinks I'm lying about that!

Maryz Tue 21-Jan-14 10:40:52

Hello, I have just entered a 10 pound loss, but want to point out to everyone that was more than a week. I started last Saturday, and only weighed this morning.

Just in case anyone thinks I'm being a tad over-optimistic.

I also know from last time that I will lose a bit more this week, and then stick in one place for a bit.

I'm off for some left over bolognaise.

Gerrythetootallgiraffeswife Tue 21-Jan-14 10:48:51

YY to less wind! Although DH needs to put on weight, so is having the same food as me AND adding carbs to it. So he's more than redressing the wind deficit in the Gerry household...

EwanHoozami Tue 21-Jan-14 10:50:20

Crabby I love love love the recipes on your blog. That squid puttanesca looks divine.

BIWI Tue 21-Jan-14 11:03:05

Calamity and Lovecat - sorry to hear about your bowel issues.

I love the over-sharing here grin

More water and more fat may well help (especially for you Calamity - you said you were struggling to get the water down).

Other things that people have talked about:

- strong coffee
- high strength vitamin C
- linseeds

Make sure you're getting your carbs from vegetables and salad

If all else fails, you could always try Thorntons Diabetic/Sugar-free toffee and/or chocolate. Yes, it's full of artificial sweeteners - but those polyols have a dramatic effect on your bowels.

Just don't do what I did and eat the whole packet of toffee in a short period of time. I actually managed to pull a muscle because the diarrhoea was so explosive.

And that really was over-sharing grin grin

Maryz Tue 21-Jan-14 11:06:59

I wonder would a square of diabetic chocolate after dinner with my only cup of coffee of the day (down from about 8) help with my sugar craving, or make it worse?

I'm afraid I will hit a Mars bar one night and give up. I really miss that "coffee and something sweet" at the end of the day.

BIWI Tue 21-Jan-14 11:10:11

Not a great idea Maryz, because they're full of artificial stuff. Far better to buy good quality chocolate, which is a really high cocoa content. Carb content is much lower, and there won't be the nasties in it.

You will also find that your sweet tooth has changed, and that if you were to just go back to eating a Mars bar, you'd find it far too sweet.

When I was low carbing a few years ago, it was when they re-introduced Wispa. I had to have one, having not had one for years, and it was horrible! It tasted like eating bubbly, horribly sweet candle wax.

CalamityKate Tue 21-Jan-14 11:14:33

I think I'm actually doing better with the water than I thought. I got confused (notice a theme??) with quantities and thought I should be drinking twice the number of 50cl bottles I have been....

Seriously though the weeing is ridiculous. So far this morning I've been every 10 minutes. Literally. And that's waiting til I'm desperate. If I sit for 5 minutes, you know, relaxed and letting things happen, I'm just perpetually dribbling. It's like being a mouse or a rat. It's completely clear. Which is good news should I ever feel the urge to try urine therapy.

How are people who actually have to DO stuff managing??

CalamityKate Tue 21-Jan-14 11:21:47

Maryz how long have you been doing it for? I am the worlds worst for wanting sweet things. My daily carb count before must have been HUGE.

I really don't crave chocolate or biscuits or cake any more. Before, it really did feel like a case of "Too much choc/cake/biscuits, not enough time".

I mean don't get me wrong if I found out I'd got a week left to live I'd be shovelling Krispy Kremes, Crunchies and Digestives down my throat in double handfuls - I remember how nice they are! - but I've realised that they are just another nice food. I love lobster but I never crave it, ergo it's the sugar/carb addiction talking.

SteeleyeStan Tue 21-Jan-14 11:33:03

I agree that polyol chocolates are best used only as bowel dynamite! grin I don't dare buy any diabetic/sugar-free candy etc anymore, because I know I won't be able to resist them, and I know the horrific effects!

A case in point!

I should go and do shopping today, but I'd rather stretch out whatever's in the house for another day. That kind of thing was much easier back in the days of "cupboard staples" (pasta, rice, tinned stuff). So today's menu is a bit of a fridge emptyer.

B: Two fried eggs and coffee with coconut oil. (And some soaked linseeds blush )
L: A cheesy omelette, an avocado and some half-wilted lettuce probably.
D: An unholy mess of bacon, brussel's sprouts, leek, shallots, green pepper and whatever else I can find, all fried in butter.

GermanGirlinLDN Tue 21-Jan-14 11:36:25

I am in a horrible mood today for now particular reason. I backed some 'Slutty Brownies' last night for friends and neighbours and today my friend is eating them in front of me without any guilt. hmm She keeps telling me to try one. No, I know they taste nice but I don't want to. Really really bad
Mood today.confused

CalamityKate Tue 21-Jan-14 11:39:51

DS2 ate an Eccles Cake right in my ear last night. Kids are cruel.

Maryz Tue 21-Jan-14 11:40:50

Ten days this time Kate, and about 7 weeks last time.

I don't think my sweet tooth will ever go away. Not helped by being surrounded by teenagers who are eating all around them in the hopes of putting on weight. To be fair, ds does about three hours of sport a day, seven days a week, so I can't be eating what he does.

The lobster analogy is good, though. I will tell myself that.

BIWI, I will buy some good, dark chocolate and leave it for emergencies. I do remember last time enjoying just one square (and being able to leave it at one square).

LittleMissDisorganized Tue 21-Jan-14 11:43:55

I think I would probably be too tempted to get carried away with a chocolate 'substitute'. I've been using psyllium husk capsules - just one twice a day - since the beginning and I've not run into troubles. Maybe less frequent than before but feel fine with it. I assume they are allowed?

CK I think your bladder will get used to it.
2.5L is the long recommended amount for an average size human to drink - this is 1.5L to cover what's used up in metabolism, needed by exocrine glands, lost in sweat, breath, and to keep your kidneys just functioning, plus 1L to cover extra losses such as exercise, extra sweating (eg. in a hot place) and to keep your kidneys well perfused and happy. <simplification: kidneys do not have feelings> Above this, as per the chart BIWI has posted, is adjusted to weight, and also to enable maximum ketone production and loss. So if it doesn't I would say that you maybe have an irritable/ overactive bladder, you need to cut all caffeine, and go and see your doctor.

Right, I am supposed to be studying...!!

CalamityKate Tue 21-Jan-14 11:47:23

Is it the caffeine that's the culprit then? My coffee here is decaf. The coffee the other day was not. Might risk a decaf now. I can always move to the bathroom til school run time.

Thumbwitch Tue 21-Jan-14 12:14:34

I don't miss pasta at all. But OMG do I miss bread! Mostly toast... I adore toast. It's like when I first gave up wheat all over again (been wheat free for over 10 years now) before I found a halfway decent alternative.
More than chocolate even, I miss crisps/crackers. I must have been a DESPERATE carboholic. sad

Turns out DH did feel able to cook after all, so he did swordfish in a lemon, butter and coriander sauce, very nice! With veg; and I remembered to park a knob of butter on mine after separating some out for DS2. Yay!

I also managed a dessert! Yes!! Greek yoghurt, mixed with a large spoonful of double cream and a couple of drops of rose water. THANK YOU to whomever recommended the cream for taking the edge of the Greek yoghurt - it worked a treat! and the rose water just made it taste more dessert-y.

Still not enough though - just had another cold sausage and a celery stick filled with Boursin.

Seri77 Tue 21-Jan-14 12:27:23

Preparing for going back to work tomorrow & the no fridge problem. I've got a tiny Tupperware tub for cream for my morning coffee and bought a neoprene cool bag for my lunch. I've made sausage & egg muffins this week and have some packets of beef jerky for emergencies. I could stick a bit of Brie in too I suppose.

Any other ideas? I may be ok as my appetite has dropped this week but a bit worried about succumbing to temptation if I don't have backup!

ChippingInWadesIn Tue 21-Jan-14 12:35:43

Seri unless you work in a spa, salad/leftovers etc are fine until lunch time - especially if you can leave them in the car. Olives are good too.

CK - yes, it is highly likely the coffee is the culprit. The water is just giving it added volume.

MyPreciousRing Tue 21-Jan-14 12:37:11

Only thing avail for my lunch was lentil soup
Is this as bad as I think it is???

CalamityKate Tue 21-Jan-14 12:50:53

The good thing is, even though I've been a bit disheartened I haven't thought of packing it in. I'm enjoying the food so much. I've never eaten or enjoyed so much salad and veg before! Everything tastes so good and is so satisfying. I'm not snacking. I'm not bloated AT ALL. EVER. Even after a big meal. I haven't had any heartburn or indigestion - had loads of that especially over Xmas. I happily walk past choc/cake etc in Tesco - I'm too busy looking forward to dinner to bother!

SnowieBear Tue 21-Jan-14 12:53:51

Ideas! I need ideas for tonight, please! I have some lovely lamb steaks, what can I pair them with successfully? Not a salad - have salads for my lunch, I love them, but really require something warm in the evenings. Got tons of veg at home (swede, leeks, shallots, etc.). They look too nice to make them into kebabs, and would like them with something moist... can you lovely ladies send some inspiration my way?

happygirl87 Tue 21-Jan-14 12:54:57

<Deep breath>

Hello, I’m new to BC- wanted to give LC a go and stumbled across the threads. Planning to do a soft warm up this week, and get mistakes out of the way, then commit properly next week.

Slight back story- I have episodic depression and am a big (in all senses) emotional eater. Anti-D’s also make me gain lots of weight. I want a sustainable way to get healthier, lose weight and break the starve/binge/self-hatred cycle. In addition I have a lot of food issues and am fussy/sensitive palette whatever. I don’t eat lamb, pork, gammon, avocado, broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower, courgette, sprouts, celaeriac, nuts, cream (except in cooking- couldn’t handle in coffee/yoghurt!)…… I have tried to force some of these down at my PILs and been sick on the plate. In the past, bland carbs have just been easiest -and most comforting. So I want to find a WOE that doesn’t feel like punishment and can work around the limited foods I like (because I just won’t stick to it). My usual diet is bread/baked goods/pasta/choc (with a bit of meat and fruit) on a “bad” day, or coffee and wine (no food) on a “good” day. I am also addicted to coffee and diet fizzy drinks (get through 4 large bottles plus per week), and drink a lot of wine.

I did my first LC day yest, and am continuing today. However, I am feeling quite fragile (carb flu?), as well as quite low, and if you shout at me too much I may retreat into a box of biscuits. (Even the idea of being called a carby twat is making me feel a bit sweaty and nervous and hot around the ears.) So could somebody please look over my food for today and yest and give me guidance, but without the big stick?! Thank you thanks

B- FF Yoghurt (Didn’t realise the carbs varied so much and accidentally bought Yeo Valley- big sin- will be Total from now on)
L- Rocket spinach and watercress with yellow pepper, quails eggs and cooked salmon flakes (no dressing as I hate it)
Snack - Mozzerella, cheddar
D-Burger (GBK range at waitrose- here they are just beef, and very very low carb) with stilton and bacon, big pile of rocket with halloumi and pepper, mushrooms cooked in garlic butter
Lots of water

B- FF Total yoghurt (one lesson learnt- hate it though- tastes like creme fraiche! Blurgh. Oh well)
L-Homemade frittata- containing eggs, shallot, mushrooms (leftover from last night), spring onion, bacon, green pepper, cheese
D- Have got cod out of freezer, was going to find some low carb pesto and wrap in bacon, and serve with salad.
Lots more water

Please note if you are kind enough to comment that I know it has a lot of processed meat, and I would like to eat cleaner, but I rarely cook from scratch as I work very long hours and combined with the depression it’s very difficult. So if I can follow this WOE with stuff I can throw in a pan/the oven, it is much more likely to stick. I don’t mind paying a bit more for good quality stuff, and will check the carb count- have bought the black farmer sausages. I also know it’s a lot of salad, but salad and peppers and mushroom are really all the veg I eat…..I can manage peas and sweetcorn, but they’re too carby I think? Finally I know it’s a lot of cheese, and can cut that down if necessary- just wasn’t sure how much is ok?
Basically, if I only eat meat (inc a lot processed), fish, eggs, cheese, yoghurt, butter, salad, mushrooms and peppers, and lots of water, will it work?!

-So far, water was hot with a slice of lemon (I used the same slice all day, didn’t get through a whole lemon or anything!) -is this ok?
-How much yoghurt (roughly) is normal to have? Today have had over half a 200g tub- too much?
Thanks again thanks

happygirl87 Tue 21-Jan-14 12:56:26

Sorry to post such an essay blush

Thumbwitch Tue 21-Jan-14 12:56:26

Snowiebear - leek gratin?

EwanHoozami Tue 21-Jan-14 12:57:19

Can you make a dolphin pose with the swede?

CalamityKate Tue 21-Jan-14 12:57:59

Hi happygirl!

I'd like a rough guide to yogurt too please someone? Also cheese and cream.

EwanHoozami Tue 21-Jan-14 12:58:15


Blast that phone. grin

CalamityKate Tue 21-Jan-14 13:00:06

Oh Ewan!! I'm genuinely lol'ing! I was imagining you perching a swede on your forehead and I thought "Huh. But that's more an elephant or unicorn than a dolphin, surely??"

SnowieBear Tue 21-Jan-14 13:04:11

thumbwitch, ewan, thanks for the prompt responses! Yup, those sound fantastic, don't know what happened to my brain, I just froze after mainlining for a few days on pork in mustard sauce (yum!).

Swede dauphinoise sounds intriguinly good, must give it a try. Leek gratin too... decisions, decisions! Thanks for making my dinner lovely! thanks

SnowieBear Tue 21-Jan-14 13:04:50

By the way, ewan, I am sure dolphins are LC grin

Thumbwitch Tue 21-Jan-14 13:05:02

Oh Ewan, dolphin pose is THE best autocorrect EVER!! grin

Woolfey Tue 21-Jan-14 13:19:50

happygirl87 I am in absolutely no way a seasoned LC'er and I'm sure the veterans will be along in a bit to give good advice but I think you're supposed to have more fat with your salads. Maybe if you don't like dressing you could add some cheese to them? I'm not a fan of salad dressings either but I sometimes use St Agur blue cheese creme as a salad dressing instead of the oil ones, might be worth a try? (Providing you like blue cheese of course!)

Do you like swede? If you mash that with some butter that's quite plain but still has a very comforting feeling.

NotTwit Tue 21-Jan-14 13:20:31

calamity are you having lots of cream? I find too much gives me the runs. Also I find all the butter etc helps, er, lubricate things blush
maryz I miss something sweet too (as a reward for getting through the evening wink), especially when every one else around you is. And they seem to have to do it right next to me.
Saturdays are really shit (in a way) because we buy a treats and all watch a movie together, passing the sweets,crisps etc around under my nose
I have to sit on my hands sometimes.

Hi losers, hope you are all ok today smile

Woolfey Tue 21-Jan-14 13:22:21

Ewan I seriously had visions of you suggesting she carves a swede into a dolphin shape there for a second!

happygirl87 Tue 21-Jan-14 13:22:35

Hi Kate! Thanks Woolfey, I hoped that having the salmon flakes with the salmon plus cheese as snack would up the fat sufficiently? Good tip on swede, I'll try it. Previously I have disliked the texture, but I know tastes change, and I am willing to be openminded [happy]

rubybricks Tue 21-Jan-14 13:24:12

maryz try liquorice tea! i got this on the last bc - i too have a massive craving for something sweet at the end of the day, and found this helped (oddly enough haven't used it yet this time around, should listen to my own advice!)

welcome happygirl! i too eat from a pretty limited palette, had never even tasted celeriac before meeting this lot, couldn't countenance loads of things (like chicken with skin on, for example) but it's amazing how easy some of the 'recipes' are - wilted spinach anyone?(yes that counts as a recipe in my book smile)

just wanted to add that i can't bear total yoghurt either - i tried it a few times - even with cream, which thins it down - i find the lidl or just tescos own FF greek yoghurt much more palatable (and i really enjoy it with cream now, which i wouldn't have believed possible a year ago)

there really is a massive change in thinking that comes about with this WOE, hope someone more knowledgeable than me will be along soon to advise on your intake - and good luck!

rubybricks Tue 21-Jan-14 13:24:56

i bet crabby could fashion a dolphin pose from a swede smile

rubybricks Tue 21-Jan-14 13:28:17

sorry i meant this face envy

BIWI Tue 21-Jan-14 13:29:57

<loud snigger> at dolphin pose grin

EvaTheOptimist Tue 21-Jan-14 13:43:17

Happygirl if you don't like Total yogurt can you find a different breakfast? Eggs are FAB at breakfast. (Scrambled egg and mushrooms fried in butter? best breakfast in the world IMO)

Try mashed swede and mash it with PLENTY of butter (no other liquid needed)

To your "basically...will this work" question I think the answer is yes. But you need to find ways to keep the fat content really high. Add butter to everything you possibly can, fish, veg (that fried mushroom is your friend!) etc. I take it mayonnaise is out? otherwise that's a good way of including fat. The idea is to eat more fat than you are eating protein, a ratio of Fat most : Protein middle :Carbs least

BIWI Tue 21-Jan-14 13:46:15

Welcome happygirl! Because you have asked so nicely, I will put the stick down for the moment wink. It sounds like you've been having a tough time of things. This is a great WOE, but I'm a bit worried that if you go straight to Bootcamp it might be a bit too much for you. Why not start with Bootcamp Light instead - and be a bit kinder to yourself - especially if you really don't like all those lovely low carb veg.

BIWI Tue 21-Jan-14 13:47:05

Thumbwitch I have a fab recipe for cheese biscuits/crackers that I made on Saturday. The first time I've ever made anything that really worked, and was the right rigidity to be able to use with cheese.

I'll post it when I'm back home this evening.

LittleMissDisorganized Tue 21-Jan-14 13:52:32

happygirl welcome and I'd like to add my voice to rubybricks as I am similar. Fussy - since a child - texture issues especially - and mental health problems, mainly addiction (which masqueraded as depression for many years). And I came to this with quite a narrow selection - and still do BUT I came with an open mind and I now eat two new vegetables in the last week and a half. It's years since I tried a new vegetable. I do eat the yogurt with cream and it's ok - we all have our different issues though and I would never belittle anyone else's. The changes for me have been more than just what I'm eating - they are in my mind, which is why this thread helps so much.

I felt pretty ill days 2-6, but now I feel so much better, it must be tough to get through carb flu and work, I'm recovering from orthopaedic surgery atm. I really hope you stick around.

grin at the dolphin pose

CK caffeine is both a diuretic and can on it's own irritate smooth muscle, that's why BIWI et al suggest strong black coffee for constipation. Some are more susceptible than others but agree with Chipping if you're going that often it's probably the caffeine

GatoradeMeBitch Tue 21-Jan-14 13:53:20

I'm about to prepare lunch. I've adapted a recipe I found online - I'm going to butter a baking dish, mix mayo, parmesan, shallots and spring onions together, then spoon the mixture over cod fillets, and bake for 15-20 mins at 200 celsius. I'll have it with a rocket salad.

Does that sound like it will turn out well? I don't know if I should use olive oil instead of butter.

use butter, much tastier and there is some suggestion that OO isn't good for you if heated up

GatoradeMeBitch Tue 21-Jan-14 14:02:31

OK, thank you!

captainmummy Tue 21-Jan-14 14:13:44

Happy - welcome. Do you eat mashed potato? Cos if you cook some cauli and mash/whisk (i use a stickblender) with butter, it is exectly like mash potato. No smell of cauli or anything. Just lush comfort food.
Snowie - I do lamb and leek- cook lamb in chunks. Cook chunks of leek in stock, then add soy sauce and butter to make a glossy sauce. Mix with lamb and juices.
Or lamb and mashed swede, with plenty of butter and pepper.

I had a chard delivered in my veg box - just chopped that up and fried in butter with salt and pepper - lovely! I've got a bunch of Kale too - better than buying in Tesco, as they don't remove the central hard core before chopping. I can strip it off and toss in oil and bake for Kale Crisps.

CalamityKate Tue 21-Jan-14 14:33:41

So let me get this absolutely straight - it's impossible to overdo butter?

giraffeseatpineapples Tue 21-Jan-14 14:46:54

let us know how it turns out Gator. I wouldn't be overly keen on heated mayo with cod but actually it makes fab chicken nugget coating with some ground almonds!

Well done little miss, low carb is excellent for getting me to enjoy new foods too.

TinTinsSexySister Tue 21-Jan-14 14:50:26

Calamity - yes, I believe so.

Yummy, yummy butter!

Thanks EwanHoozami.

Perhaps not enough fat then.

There was cheese in the breakfast, the soup was cooked with coconut oil and the fish dish has cream cheese in it.

Where's everyone else getting their fat from then? I have mayo with salad, cook with olive oil or coconut oil and smother veg in butter BUT now I think about it there's not much other fat in my diet.

Anyone got any ideas?

Looking forward to BIWI's cheese biscuit recipe

HeirToTheIronThrone Tue 21-Jan-14 15:03:57

So in Lidl, in the antipasti section, they have these little cream cheese balls that are covered in mustard and fennel seeds. They are LUSH. I may have just had a whole pot at my desk...

I've run out of the yogurt of awesomeness so may have to go to Lidl on the way home. Happy days smile

RatherBeOnThePiste Tue 21-Jan-14 15:04:19

Totally cocked up on food! Dangerous times. Had 100g total early this am. At work. Nothing since and I am overwhelmed with hunger.

Not going to graze. Just sorting myself out. All you folk who say you're not hungry. I bloody always am.

I know eat more fat!!

CrabbyWinterBottom Tue 21-Jan-14 16:00:36

MyPrecious yes lentil soup is a disaster, sorry - very carby indeed. Planning Planning Planning!

Thumb it was me who suggested cream in your yoghurt, so at least I've managed one suggestion that didn't make you gag. wink

grin at dolphin pose! Ruby I'm now going to have to carve you a dolphin out of swede. grin

Happy welcome. smile You've had some great advice so far, especially from LittleMiss. I also have issues with some tastes and textures and I'm a bit funny about my food combinations too. I didn't used to like many types of veg but I'm getting much better. I find that preparing foods in different ways makes an enormous difference to their taste and texture, so maybe you could work towards trying some of the low carb foods that you don't like in the future, cooked differently? How were things like celeriac and cabbage cooked when you disliked them? Otherwise I'd be concerned that your list of what you can eat is quite restrictive. Maybe stick with what you know and like to start with and then try introducing some new foods as you get more into it? I think BIWI is spot on when she says don't dive straight into bootcamp proper - it's quite extreme to start with even with the wide range of low carb veg.

EwanHoozami Tue 21-Jan-14 16:02:18

Heir those sound tremendous. I'm a sucker for their feta stuffed chillis..

MyPreciousRing Tue 21-Jan-14 16:12:14

So lentil soup?
Have I cocked up??

EwanHoozami Tue 21-Jan-14 16:13:27

Tintin I find fat tricky because I can't stand animal fat in its pure form. The traditional answer (as well as butter and mayo, coconut oil etc) is to eat the fat on pork chops, the skin on chicken and so on.

But if like me that thought makes you shudder, I cook with leftover Christmas goose fat, beef dripping and my old (cheap) friend lard. Mmmmmmm, lard.

MyPreciousRing Tue 21-Jan-14 16:13:29

Do i need to start from beginning? Anyway of rescuing this?

EwanHoozami Tue 21-Jan-14 16:16:30

Sorry Precious - lentil soup. A minor cock-up but absolutely not unrecoverable. Get stuck into the water, stick to the rules like glue and don't beat yourself up. Life throws brickbats (and lentil soup) sometimes.

EwanHoozami Tue 21-Jan-14 16:17:32

mypreciousring - lentil soup is technically too carby, but on the plus side plenty of fibre so not the worst cock-up by any means

just try and eat as low carb as you can for the rest of the day, and be aware that there may be the possibility of carb cravings rearing their ugly head if the soup has triggered an insulin spike, so make sure you have something easy and low carb handy just in case (cheese or something)

sometimes life gets in the way, so don't worry too much, and make sure you're strict for the rest of today. as someone has said on these threads before, if you had a puncture, you wouldn't slash the other four tyres too, would you?

or what ewan said

MyPreciousRing Tue 21-Jan-14 17:59:15

Thanks very much
Was gutted - thought it was equivalent to a bottle of prosecco and two baked potatoes with baked beans!
Will have pork chops and fried eggs for dinner
Loads more water
Damage limitation

MrsHughJarse Tue 21-Jan-14 18:08:12

Catching up, catching up..........<breathes>...... Sat in my nightie in bed this am with DD3 watching Peppa pig on the ipad ( as you do) - about to start the morning dashing around preparing for work/ nursery/school.

Bashing on the door were the builders/ plumber who ( I thought) were booked for a months time to replace the boiler/ the hot water tank / and rip out both ancient tatty 1950's bathrooms and refit them......

EEk - have had a multi multitasking day trying to work - rehome all the children (temporarily - as no heating or hot water or baths......) and choose tiles/pain etc surreptitiously in meetings on my phone or pad....

HAVE drunk my 8 huge glasses water - and had my broccoli and stilton soup for lunch - but now fridge empty..... house in carnage and no children in it. I DON"T KNOW WHERE TO START.....

So - I decide to catch up on MN..... <priorities> ! grin

hope you are all ok and loving * dolphin pose* - if anyone does carve one out of a vegetable - lets have a picture grin

...<scuttles off manically to leave you all in peace!>

Notsoskinnyminny Tue 21-Jan-14 18:15:25

Evening losers!

Another good day for me foodwise and pulled pork from the recipe thread simmering away in the slow cooker so that's dinner and tomorrow's lunch sorted.

A daft question but does greek yoghurt and cream taste like natural yoghurt or not? I ummed and ahhed about picking a tub up but I hate yoghurt, the sour milk taste makes me gag so thought I'd ask before I buy any. If it doesn't what quantities do I mix?

supersalstrawberry Tue 21-Jan-14 18:30:43

Ok I've got a problem

I've totally lost my appetite, the thought of eating makes me feel slightly nauseous, I'm making myself eat small amounts as it does make me feel better


I'm only just over a week in I can feel the weight loss already, but the thought of eating anything cooked in butter, eggs, creamy sauces, cheese, meat is really making me feel queasy

I love halloumi so I made a halloumi curry with cauli rice, I've eaten a very small amount

B - omelette
L - sausage, rasher of bacon
D - small bowl of halloumi curry with cauli rice (spinach and leek in the curry)

drinking loads, I know I haven't had enough veg today, just can't face another salad

But if you offered me a cake I'd bite your hand off

Back to work tomorrow, made a lovely prawn and avocado salad to take with me, also have some left over frozen BIWIs shepherds pie (am on a 12.5 hour shift), hopefully being busy in work will help get rid of the slight nausea

teaandthorazine Tue 21-Jan-14 18:30:55

Notso, it's usually much creamier than normal natural yoghurt, especially if you mix it with actual cream. I definitely prefer it to 'normal' yoghurt.

Eatings today:

B: protein shake with cream
L: wasn't very hungry so had a couple of sticks of celery with Philly and a few small slices of salami
D: cauliflower rice with onion, garlic. chorizo, green beans and mushrooms, all cooked in coconut oil

Have had one cup of tea, one liquorice tea, one coffee with cream and several glasses of water. Feel quite full now!

It is really weird to think that I've not eaten chocolate, bread, snacks of any type, or had an alcoholic drink for over a week...

Gerrythetootallgiraffeswife Tue 21-Jan-14 18:51:22

Feeling good today. Have realised that my appetite has shrunk, hadn't really noticed before but am only just getting hungry after lunch at 1.30. Usually I'd be desperate for a snack at about 4.

Today's menu

B: 2x boiled eggs with butter, 1x coffee with cream 1xblack tea

L: big salad of chicken, bacon, spinach, lettuce, coleslaw, dressing, and a few feta stuffed olives on the side

D: meatballs fried in butter with some kind of sauce? Any ideas? Pref not too creamy as am trying not to overdo the dairy and will have cheese on too. Maybe just small amount of tomatoey type sauce. Served on buttered spinach

S: 1x German sausage, loads of water.

googoogoggles Tue 21-Jan-14 19:20:51

Just home and logged on – can't keep up with you lot, so have skip read. Apologies for not contrbuting much but my meals, to keep myself on track
B Coffee with cream
L Beef slices/salad
D Salmon in lots of butter, Tzatzki (total ff, cucumber, garlic – no mint sadly), more salad
Not enough water so trying to catch up now
calamity - I've got same problem, keep running to loo. THink may be the caffeine as I mainline coffee through working day. Maybe need to ditch it but LOVE it (wail!)
Any ideas for lush subsitute anyone (desperate) OR would it be better to switch to low caffeine, then decaff first to wean myself off it (dread headaches) Help! Please flowers

DurhamDurham Tue 21-Jan-14 19:27:20

BIWI will beat me with a stick for this but it did make me laugh!!

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Tue 21-Jan-14 19:36:56

I nearly broke today, DD2 had an accident and needed to go to hospital. Alls ok but it put me on the backfoot food wise. I was stood in the newsagent queue with a huge bar of chocolate, then threw it back on the shelf and ran away!


SteeleyeStan Tue 21-Jan-14 19:47:27

<- Our lazy mess of a dinner. Wasn't great but it was edible and did the job. Why is it I never take pictures of actual nice foods? (In too much of a hurry to eat them, I guess.)

supersal I was gonna suggest nibbling on some veggies, maybe even something a little higher carb, like tomato, for the freshness of them, and for minerals and the tiny bit of carbs to help with the nausea. But if you can't face salad, I guess that could be off the table. So I'm gonna suggest my own nausea staple: cold fizzy mineral water on ice.

SnowieBear Tue 21-Jan-14 20:14:38

ewaaan!!! <hollers>

Hats off to the mighty awesomeness of the dolphin pose. It was delicious and I've had the most exquisite experience. Can thoroghly recommend - I buttered an oven dish and did three layers of thinly sliced swede. Each layered generously salted, peppered and nutmegged. Spotted with butter and some stron cheddar shavings. Finished off with double cream and more cheddar for the gratin, baked and had with lamb leg steaks fried in butter and rosemary.

I'm in heaven, truly.

fizzly Tue 21-Jan-14 20:26:58

ooh going to try dolphin pose later this week for sure.

B: 2 eggs, butter
L: spinach/celeriac coup
D: a carbonara chicken, bacon, leek, pepper, mushrooms. Yum.

SayraT Tue 21-Jan-14 20:27:47

I've been a little bit bad today but not too bad I don't think.

B: smoked salmon
L: salmon with pesto (no pine nuts in it, it was from Tesco), cauliflower and spinach
S: a carrot and some cheddar cubes
D: Pork belly slices and (this is the bad bit) I made berry crumble with ground almonds as the topping. It was yum smile

Aside from that I have been very good, it is my birthday today and I didn't eat any of the cake that was brought in despite one person saying "go on, you can't not have cake on your birthday".

I'm not really craving sweet things and I am surprised at how your tastes change, a few weeks ago I would have found some of the berries (red currants) a bit tart and would have added sugar. Today I just found them perfect and delicious!

SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice Tue 21-Jan-14 20:33:39

Hi all - have been away for a few days and just logged on to hundreds of threads!

ImATot - hope your DD is ok. Well done on putting the chocolate back! There doesn't seem to be much to pick from in hospitals. thanks

I've just put my Monday weight on the spreadsheet which was a 2lb loss - I'm actually really happy with that as I was 2w2d into bootcamp on Monday and have actually lost 9lb in total.

It has to be said - this WOE is fantastic!

I don't do diets where I have to count things; it helps keep my head straight. In the past when I wasn't hungry, I wouldn't crave any food especially but any hint of hunger and I would want carbs. And I suspect my insulin was all over the place because I was always hungry - to the point where it's a family joke. And normally I would have to be throwing-myself-into-a-vat-of-ice-cream-hungry in order to loose weight.

But on LC - I'm not hungry (apart from the first week), my skin is better and it's actually working. The food is bloody lurverly.

[converted] thanks BIWI and Willie and everyone else who is jostling us along thanks

GatoradeMeBitch Tue 21-Jan-14 20:35:28

Is DeLouis mayonnaise normally really hard to open, or have I got a dud one? I keep trying but it won't budge!

SteeleyeStan Tue 21-Jan-14 20:44:20

Happy Birthday Sayra and well done resisting cake!

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Not a fun day then... I hope your DD is okay, and well done not buying that chocolate!

heliumheart Tue 21-Jan-14 20:46:36

SteelEye that looked delicious, if you thought that was lazy I just had a tomato/mozz/avo salad although the dressing was homemade.

Have a very stressful week ahead divorce-wise and my fridge is groaning from the weight of all the low-carb goodies. Feeling a bit daunted by how much food I have to eat before it all goes off!

prettybird Tue 21-Jan-14 20:48:16

Dh is pleased that he hasn't given in to his pissed-offness and poured himself (and me) a glass of wine.

His scunnerdness was/is justified - his beloved Btwin road bike was stolen today while he was at a meeting in the centre of Glasgow sad Some bastard came along with bolt cutters angry

Turns out we were slight underinsured too (no bikes specified so maximum of £250 with £50 of that as excess) so it's going to cost us £150 by the time we've got the new pedals, lights and pump as well as the replacement bike sad

EvaTheOptimist Tue 21-Jan-14 20:49:15

Wow I hope your daughter's OK I'maTot.

MrsHugh I imagine you've sorted dinner by now but it sounded like a night for a low-carb Indian take-away to me!

B - scrambled egg & mushrooms (creature of habit)
L - tuna mayo salad
sneaky snacks - cheese
D - salmon, mashed swede, broccoli & cauli (butter involved in each element!)
another sneaky snack - small bowl of yogurt and cream

EvaTheOptimist Tue 21-Jan-14 20:52:53

Happy Birthday Sayra that crumble sounds like the perfect birthday treat.

Poor Mr Prettybird thats very unfair.

SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice Tue 21-Jan-14 21:13:18

My DeLouis opened ok!

Another benefit of LC - my children have discovered that they like proper mayo - that one might cost me in the long run though.

BIWI Tue 21-Jan-14 21:14:50

Happy birthday, Sayra! flowers

BIWI Tue 21-Jan-14 21:15:40

Oh no, Prettybird! angry sad

That's awful.