Bootcamp - the questions thread

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BIWI Mon 13-Jan-14 07:24:17

From experience of past Bootcamps, in the first few weeks the chat threads move really, really quickly and it's difficult sometimes to see/answer everything.

So this is a place to post any questions that you might have. Those of us who are old hands at low carbing will check this thread regularly and make sure that we answer you as soon as we can.

AthelstaneTheUnready Mon 13-Jan-14 08:11:56

I have a question, Miss. How much cream is too much? I think I may be getting through a litre of double cream a week - is that a) shrug, see what happens, or b) shock greedy idiot territory?

PseudoBadger Mon 13-Jan-14 08:20:30

Hi BIWI et al!

Q1. I'm making bolognese this afternoon, am I right in thinking that tinned tomatoes and tomato purée are acceptable but not ideal IYSWIM?

Q2. Are Herta frankfurters too processed for Bootcamp? (Just seen that they're owned by Nestle shock)

Are fine green beans on the allowed vegetable list? I can see french beans but not any other type. Thanks

Morgan Mon 13-Jan-14 09:00:21

Hi there weigh in done and about to have some total yog for breakfast.

I put this on the bootcamp light thread yesterday but I am looking for breakfast ideas that I can bring to work and eat at my desk . Think eggs might be a bit smelly wink . Any other suggestions ?

UhhOhhh Mon 13-Jan-14 09:28:50

hi, I'm not on the spreadsheet or list any more, how do I get on it and enter my starting weight?

Cbeebijeebies Mon 13-Jan-14 09:41:29

Another one who wants to know much cream is too much? smile

Also, what can you drink besides tea/water? I've been putting lemon juice (about 1 tsp) in my water.

CrabbyWinterBottom Mon 13-Jan-14 10:02:51

Athel I'd go with option A, myself. grin Some people find that a lot of dairy (cheese, cream and to a lesser extent yoghurt, but not including butter) impedes their weightloss. The important thing at the moment is to make sure you're getting enough fat to keep you really satisfied, and that you're enjoying the food. So whilst I wouldn't go absolutely crazy and gulp it straight from the carton (unless it's a creamy emergency grin), I'd see how you go with it.

CrabbyWinterBottom Mon 13-Jan-14 10:07:28

Pseudo the carb content of tinned tomatoes varies enormously. Give me a bit of time and I'll post some. The ones I was looking at yesterday were 4.6% for Ciro (too high) and 3.6% for Waitrose own (still a bit high). I'm sure the ones I was using before were about 3.2% (better).

Ideally we want to stick to veg that are 3g of carbohydrate per 100g.

What's the carb content of the frankfurters? Processed food like that is to be kept to a minimum as this is intended to be a clean way of eating. Ok occasionally though. And yuck to Nestle!

CrabbyWinterBottom Mon 13-Jan-14 10:12:55

therin Ocado lists their fine green beans as 3.2% carbs which is just above the 3% limit. So ok in moderation but not in vast quantities.

CrabbyWinterBottom Mon 13-Jan-14 10:16:31

Morgan I'm not much of a breakfast person so hopefully people will come along with more suggestions, but how about some cheese and olives/ cherry tomatoes (check the carb content on the packet), a slice of cold tortilla (not made with potatoes, obviously!), or mashed avocado?

CrabbyWinterBottom Mon 13-Jan-14 10:18:35

UhhOhh have you followed the link from the end of the Soft Warmup thread that takes you to the weight tracker? Willie the spreadsheet wizard will be along later if you can't just add yourself to the bottom of the spreadsheet.

CrabbyWinterBottom Mon 13-Jan-14 10:24:06

Cbee hopefully the above answered your cream question. Lemon juice is surprisingly carby so don't add too much, but a teaspoon here and there is fine. There's a drink PLJ that's lemon juice based. It has 7.5% carbs (and sulphites in) but you're only using a little.

Herbal teas are fine but I'm not sure of the fruit teas - check that they aren't sweetened or have artificial stuff in. People last bootcamp were swearing by putting cucumber and lemons (or something similar) in water. Maybe someone can tell you about that.

heliumheart Mon 13-Jan-14 10:46:06

Morgan - how about smoked salmon or ham rolls (spread with f/f cream cheese and roll up..)

Or buying individual tubs of Total.

Re. using tomatoes, I'd say it depends - if you're using one can in a meal that is to serve four people, then that's not too bad. I do a bit of a mental check - if I'm not having much else in the way of carbs/veg in that meal then I'd think that was fine, although in general I'd try to find recipes that use a bit of puree instead.

Herta sausages are very low carb, but I agree they are very processed and it's good to try to keep things like that to a minimum.

Attackofthefiftyfootwoman Mon 13-Jan-14 11:07:31

Can I please ask what the carb threshold for foods is? Is it 3g per 100g ? Thanks

BIWI Mon 13-Jan-14 11:24:47

Sainsbury's Basics chopped tomatoes in cartons are the lowest in carbs that I have found

Cbeebijeebies Mon 13-Jan-14 11:26:01

Think I have 'carb withdrawal flu'.

Any tips to make it easier/relieve it a little? Does drinking more/eating certain things (like more salt/potassium etc) help?

At least it's a sign something's going on in there!

BIWI Mon 13-Jan-14 11:26:33

Re carbs per 100g - anything under 4g is what I look for, but obviously it depends on the food itself and the situation - for example, last week at the office I wanted something hot to eat - was sick of salads! I found a tin of chicken tikka massala at Sainsbury that was 6.6g for half the tin.

I never thought I'd buy tinned curry grin but it was actually surprisingly nice, and really hit the spot.

Now, on Bootcamp, that wouldn't have been such a great choice, as we're trying to get our carbs mainly from veg/salad, but it was all about what was available at the time.

Attackofthefiftyfootwoman Mon 13-Jan-14 11:29:29

thank you - off to Sainsbury's to stock up !!

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 13-Jan-14 11:32:21

Marking my place. No questions but learning so much by reading.

UhhOhhh Mon 13-Jan-14 11:36:01

Thank you, I'll do that now. And put my name on the spreadsheet. Weighed myself this morning, heaviest I've ever been, even post baby blush

Also, what can I have with total yogurt in the morning to make it a bit more err palatable? I take it honey is out?

Thumbwitch Mon 13-Jan-14 11:39:12

Would it be a real PITA for you to link the main Bootcamp thread here? Or at least tell me where to go looking for it please?

Thumbwitch Mon 13-Jan-14 11:40:55

Actually, scratch that - I've just found it via BIWI's profile. [dim]

sj73 Mon 13-Jan-14 11:57:24

With tinned tomatoes I use half the amount and supplement with stock.

Are avocados ok? I have looked them up but keep finding different carb totals?

CrabbyWinterBottom Mon 13-Jan-14 12:25:40

UhhOhh honey is definitely out! grin I have it with a dash of cream and a good grating of vanilla - that grinder is expensive but lasts ages. You could use sugar-free vanilla essence. Once I'm in bootcamp light I have it with berries (frozen, that I've cooked down to puree) and flaxseed (which makes the yoghurt thicken to the texture of icecream).

CrabbyWinterBottom Mon 13-Jan-14 12:26:20

Stairs avocadoes are fine afaik.

Thumbwitch Mon 13-Jan-14 12:29:01

OK, real question:

Should I be doing this while I'm still breastfeeding, even if it's not very often in a day? Usually just before sleeping, so maybe 2-3x a day and 1x in the night, and then first thing in the morning? (that actually still sounds like quite a lot, doesn't it blush)

AthelstaneTheUnready Mon 13-Jan-14 12:31:46

Thanks, Crabby, and I cheerfully admit to eating the solid bits with a spoon before pouring more into my coffee in the morning. And then on my dinner... will see what happens.

CrabbyWinterBottom Mon 13-Jan-14 12:37:28

Tinned Tomatoes carb count:
Waitrose Essential chopped tomatoes 3.57% (£2 for a 4pack)
Cirio 4.7% (usually £4, currently £2 for a 4pack)
Napolina 3.5% (£4.70 for 4pack!)
Sainsbury's own 3% (£2 for 4pack)

CrabbyWinterBottom Mon 13-Jan-14 12:41:16

grin Athel I sometimes eat clotted cream straight from the pot or with a little grating of vanilla on it! shock

Thumb that'll be absolutely fine afaik. There were several bootcampers last time who were breastfeeding; I'm sure they'll be along to share their wisdom.

Thumbwitch Mon 13-Jan-14 12:53:31

Thanks Crabby! smile

BIWI Mon 13-Jan-14 12:57:42

Re vanilla, Waitrose sell ndali vanilla extract which is alcohol-free, and which I use with my yoghurt. There's also a vanilla powder which is quite nice.

BIWI Mon 13-Jan-14 12:58:15

And yes, Thumbwitch, there's no reason why you can't do this whilst you're breast-feeding. Just make sure you're not letting yourself get hungry

SteeleyeStan Mon 13-Jan-14 12:59:43

Ooh, I have an actual question! smile

Are we "okay" on any veggies under 3% carbs, or should we for some reason only stick to those listed?

BIWI Mon 13-Jan-14 12:59:54

If you're suffering from carb withdrawal:

- drink plenty of water
- eat plenty of fat
- make sure you're eating plenty of salt - cook with it/add it to your food
- you also need magnesium and potassium; spinach, avocado, salmon and natural yoghurt are all good sources of these

Don't suffer - if you have a headache, take paracetamol (not ibuprofen, as that is implicated in impeding weight loss)

It should pass within a couple of days

ChippingInWadesIn Mon 13-Jan-14 13:05:01

It is hard (for me anyway!!) to make sure all the questions have been answered (and we are only a few hours into it!!) so can I suggest if anyone feels their question hasn't been answered, that they ask again smile No one will mind - honest!!

LauraBridges Mon 13-Jan-14 13:05:38

1. I think this is the main new bootcamp thread

2. I see no reason to eat this way which in my view is a healthy way everyone should eat just because you are breastfeeding. Just make sure you drink loads of water (i speak as someone who breastfed twins which is a lot of milk to produce) and eat to satisfy your appetite but with the foods allowed here which is basically all natural good foods which are not high carb. It is what mankind ate for about 1m years when many many babies were born and successfully breastfed.

ChippingInWadesIn Mon 13-Jan-14 13:08:26

I am sure Laura meant 'I can see not reason not to eat this way...' smile

Thumb - put the chocolate down and stop looking for excuses not to do it grin

ChippingInWadesIn Mon 13-Jan-14 13:09:17

or even 'I can see no reason not to eat this way'

FGS this lack of latte is not good for my few remaining brain cells.

BIWI Mon 13-Jan-14 13:11:00


Thumbwitch Mon 13-Jan-14 13:19:34

It's ok, I got what Laura meant grin

I've had my last chocolate tonight. Tomorrow I will start. I will be Good. Of course, it will still be 13/1 for you lot when I wake up, so I've left my start date the same as all of you grin

ChippingInWadesIn Mon 13-Jan-14 14:31:23

Night Thumb see you 'in the morning' smile I'm just off to work, I'd rather stay here and chat grin

LauraBridges Mon 13-Jan-14 15:38:28

Sorry, I should have read it before I posted it. I was just trying to say fine to eat this way and breastfeed, indeed even better than eating the usual junk most people eat.

MrsHughJarse Mon 13-Jan-14 15:39:55

Anyone know how you bookmark threads so it takes you back to where you left off reading ?? confused

MrsHughJarse Mon 13-Jan-14 15:41:16

and..... can anyone link the recripe thread on here somewhere.. Can't find sorry blush

UhhOhhh Mon 13-Jan-14 15:41:54

Thought as much grin Ok I've got some vanilla, will try that tomorrow, thanks!

Thumbwitch Mon 13-Jan-14 15:46:16

Ahh but I don't eat that much junk; just too much chocolate. sad
Most of this should be, technically, pretty easy for me in that we already cook everything from scratch anyway and do the whole food thing; but cutting out carbs is going to be "interesting" for me, so I'm looking forward to seeing how I get on!

Need to check tomorrow whether or not I can still have swedes and sweet potatoes, as I make mash from those already - does the celeriac make you a touch windy, or not?

mrshughjarse the recipe thread

and if you hover your mouse to the bottom right of a post a 'bookmark' button should appear. if it doesn't i think you might need to adjust your settings in 'customise'

thumbwitch, swede ok, sweet potato not (sorry)

celeriac does make me windy, but apparently i'm unusual in that respect

MrsHughJarse Mon 13-Jan-14 15:48:11

thankyou Willie thanks

Attackofthefiftyfootwoman Mon 13-Jan-14 17:09:32


I can't eat dairy - I am looking at the carb content of soy milk/coco milk etc does the same carb threshold rule apply per 100ml as it does to 100g? Thanks

sansucre Mon 13-Jan-14 17:20:20

I started bootcamp on Wednesday, and since Friday, I've had a noticeable metallic taste in my mouth which I'm beginning to suspect is linked to such low-carb WOE.
Or have I got this wrong?

QueenQueenie Mon 13-Jan-14 17:31:28

Ok. Here's my ?
I have been low carbing since the beginning of July and am thrilled to have lost over 3 stone since then. In the last 6 weeks or so my weight loss has stalled / slowed to a snail's pace although I definitely have more to lose yet - at least another stone and a half. Since the end of September I have also been doing the couch25k prgramme and have now completed it and am running 3 times a week. Is the lack of weight loss because I'm closer to target / the running (fat into muscle she thinks hopefully)? Or just one of those things. All opinions and suggestions very welcome... TIA
Oh and thanks again BIWI and Willie for all your amazing input.

attack - yes that's right, and you might want to check the actual quantity you usually consume too. dairy-free is not a huge disadvantage on this WOE, though it can be more difficult to get enough fat

sansucre (very appropriate name) - yes, that could well be your body switching to ketosis. make sure you're drinking enough water and getting the right electrolytes

Attackofthefiftyfootwoman Mon 13-Jan-14 17:36:11

Thanks Willie smile

sansucre Mon 13-Jan-14 17:41:17

I thought that might be the case smile

I'm drinking 2-2.5 litres of water per day. (Like I do every day in fact.)
I'm not doing this to lose weight, it's more to break my addiction to sugar and chocolate. I actually have very little weight to lose. (Yes, I know I'm lucky!)

Good luck to everyone.

no need to justify your choice sansucre, we're all doing this for our own reasons, all equally valid - hopefully you'll soon be seeing the non-scale-related benefits to this WOE (skin, hair, energy etc)

the metallic taste is a good sign in a way, though not pleasant i know, and it should settle down

queenqueenie - fantastic progress

the slowdown in weight loss could be the running, though i would have expected that the 'shock' to the body of a new exercise had died down by now, but we're all different

weight loss definitely as you know slows down closer to target too. <trying not to be rude> are you absolutely sure your target is realistic? as in, you're not trying to see a particular number on the scale (which your body isn't that bothered about), but actually you're at a good weight for your frame and body type?

it could also be hormones, the time of year, natural fluctuation in rates of weight loss (could be due a whoosh)...

but there could also possibly be tweaks made to your diet, e.g. carb creep where you sort of start increasing carb intake without quite realising - could you list out what you've been eating over the last few days?

Kefybaby Mon 13-Jan-14 20:33:47

Can I also check that any veg with less than 3gr of carbs per 100gr is fine, even if it does not feature on the list? Thanks!

gussiegrips Mon 13-Jan-14 20:36:07

I'm on day 3, and, so far, am 1. impressed (down 3lbs!) and 2. stuffed and 3. craving sugar. Sugar. Bags of it. Please.

Is there ANYTHING sweet I can have, or, do I just have to drink even more water and eat an egg?

What do you lot do when you have a craving? (mind you, I've not succumbed, and that, in itself, is peculiar)

SayraT Mon 13-Jan-14 21:00:07

I would like to ask about the coconut oil that you are all (some of you anyway) are adding to coffee.

I make my own moisturisers, shower gel etc and use coconut oil in a lot of these so I have about 1 kg of the stuff lying around. I wondered if the oil I use in cosmetics is the same as the stuff you are using?

The stuff I have is a solid white/opaque block that melts readily on skin contact. I think you can also get more processed (can't remember the real word!!) coconut oil which is an actual oil rather than solid. Which is the type you use in coffee?

SteeleyeStan Mon 13-Jan-14 21:04:33

Sayra is your coconut oil "virgin"? The stuff you're supposed to use for eating should preferably be virgin/unprocessed/mechanically extracted. It's solid in room temperature yeah, and white/opaque, except during the hottest summer - unless of course it's really hot in your house. smile

SayraT Mon 13-Jan-14 21:33:23

I will check with the website I get it from. If it is and people are using a lot of it then it might be more cost effective for them to buy it in bulk, I think it costs me about £5 per kilo.

I'll check if its virgin etc and post the link if it is. grin

SayraT Mon 13-Jan-14 21:35:05

I looked and I don't think it is, it says "refined" so I assume that its no good then.

QueenQueenie Mon 13-Jan-14 21:45:43

Ta for the reply Willie. I fear you may be onto something with the carb creep. I think coffee is my achilles heel... i often have 2 / 3 single shot espressos a day, with some hot milk, but on the other hand I've been doing that all along.

Today I have had:
B. 2 fried eggs and mushrooms with a few cherry tomatoes
L. celery sticks, philly cheese and 7 brazil nuts
D. Steak (with lots of lovely fat) and a big salad (leaves, a whole avocado, cucumber, half a shallot, a handful of feta and oily dressing)
S. a square of 90% choc
2 coffees (as above), 3.5 litres of water

B. Total yoghurt, handful raspberries, slug of double cream
L. Big salad with mozzarella, avocado, leaves, cherry toms, basil. Parma ham on the side
D. Chargrilled squid with olive oil, chilli dressing. Big green salad, oily dressing
S. handful almonds, 2 squares 90% choc.
2 coffees, 3.5 litres water

BIWI Mon 13-Jan-14 22:09:35

Queen - what does your body look like, as opposed to what the scales say?

If you're running regularly you will be developing more muscle, which weighs more than fat. Willie could be very right when she says it's not about the number on the scales. If you strip off and look at yourself, are you really sure that you have that much to lose?

And, I think there is possibly a case for cutting back on the carbs a bit, (you're eating fruit, nuts and chocolate - could be a bit much?) or having a look at your portion sizes. Have you also considered cutting out/down on dairy?

BIWI Mon 13-Jan-14 22:12:54

gussiegrips - STEP AWAY FROM THE SWEET STUFF! This is the addiction trying to lure you back in.

BIWI Mon 13-Jan-14 22:13:44

gussiegrips - STEP AWAY FROM THE SWEET STUFF! This is the addiction trying to lure you back in.

SayraT Mon 13-Jan-14 22:22:46

gussie whenever I've had a craving (which hasn't been too often) I either eat something buttery - the salty buttery-ness seem to help, drink a hot drink/warm water, go to bed (depending on the time! grin, go for a walk/shower/anything to distract me or have a spoonful of yoghurt.

I also just try to remind myself that I have spent my life eating the things I crave and where has it got me? Its got me fat! and now is the time to do something about it by not giving in!

ElBombero Mon 13-Jan-14 22:29:33

Shit! I've only gone and bought 2.5kg of non virgin coconut oil. Does it matter? Got a fab deal off ebay. It's the KTC jar. Please tell me this is ok!!

BIWI Mon 13-Jan-14 22:31:35

That's what I use, ElBombero

ElBombero Mon 13-Jan-14 22:36:26

Aw thank god for that. Thought I'd got the wrong stuff with them saying up thread about refined n virgin.

Hey if anyone wants some 6x 500g tubs for £15.99 free p&p off eBay

Morgan Mon 13-Jan-14 23:00:23

Thanks to everyone who suggested breakfasts - have smoked salmon with mascarpone and olives tomorrow - not sure if I will fancy the olives for breakfast although I used to have them with Arabic breakfast when in the Middle East . Will create a type of Arabic breakfast with grilled halloumi , olives , mascarpone and toms and cuc - will just be missing houmous and of course pitta bread .

gussiegrips Mon 13-Jan-14 23:21:21

BIWI - two stick hits in a row has done the trick...thank you!
Sayra - excellent points, stolen and adopted.

I ate a packet of Sainsbos marinaded olives (0.3) which is satisfying as they come in tiny packets that you tear open like a packet of sweets. Though, that's where the similarity ends, seeing as how the packet contains olives. Nice olives, mind.

Then I ate 4 big spoons of total with a dribble of double cream and a wee sprinkle of cinnamon.

Then I drank a litre of fizzy water with slices of lemon.

I still want sugar, but, I'm stuffed. <burp>

This is going to be my technique of choice for avoiding sugar.

That, and visualising me being able to go into a shop and buy some clothes. Like, any shop. Any clothes. Imagine!

SteeleyeStan Mon 13-Jan-14 23:28:29

ElBombero and Sayra yea the refined coconut oil isn't in anyway carby or unsuitable in that way. smile

The reason why I said about the virgin thing is that it won't have been through the bleaching and deodorising processes, and so won't have the same potential for contaminants and trans-fats as the refined kind can have. (But their qualities and amount and type of processing varies a lot as far as I know, so they won't all be as "badly" processed".)

SteeleyeStan Mon 13-Jan-14 23:31:40

What Mark says

(I wish this site had the option to edit posts!)

BewitchedBotheredandBewildered Tue 14-Jan-14 00:19:07

Could anyone tell me what the deal is with coconut milk please?
Good? Or not?

Bewitched - check the label. It's fine in principle but try to find the lowest carbs per 100g/ml and make sure you know how many grams of carbs that will translate to in a portion of whatever if is you're making

Coconut cream (NOT creamed coconut) is often lower carb and you can use that and thin with water as a substitute for coconut milk too

teaandthorazine Tue 14-Jan-14 07:13:24

I've got a question about total yoghurt (or just Greek yoghurt in general). Does it get thicker over time? I know that sounds random but I have a tub in my fridge that is almost at its use by date (it rarely lasts that long!) It looks, smells and tastes absolutely fine, but it is sooooooooo thick! Much more so than normal. Do you think it would be ok to eat the whole tub today ?

i reckon it's like cheese, tea - it'll last as long as you like depending on whether you like the riper flavour!

i don't know about the thickness though...

BIWI Tue 14-Jan-14 07:38:43

Not sure about the thickness, but I agree with Willie - yoghurt lasts a long time. Total is pretty thick anyway, which is what makes it so yummy!

RatherBeOnThePiste Tue 14-Jan-14 07:42:11

Having total for me brek once my DC are sorted, enjoying looking forward to it!

Morning brew

hanette Tue 14-Jan-14 07:52:32


RatherBeOnThePiste Tue 14-Jan-14 09:08:32

Anyone know the Pizza Express menu?

Family night out on Saturday, cinema then nosh, just need to thick about this confused

here you go pistey

i think i've had the pollo pancetta salad, and the niçoise and chicken caesar would be ok too with a couple of tweaks. there are some carbier things there (sweet peppers, onions, tomatoes etc) but i think that a small amount of those things every now and then is fine and adds a bit of variety as long as you stick to much lower carb things for your other meals that day, and you might want to ask them to serve the dressing separately if you're worried that it's sugary (you can ask for olive oil instead). ask for them to leave off any croutons/breadsticks that come too (or give them to someone else)

BewitchedBotheredandBewildered Tue 14-Jan-14 09:30:14

Oh good, thanks Willie flowers

Mlig Tue 14-Jan-14 09:30:44

Can I just ask about tomatoes please?
I usually have loads, but am avoiding them because they're over 3 per 100g, are a few ok?
And tinned tomatoes, I was in aldi and I think they were 3.1g, are they ok?

And passata, I forget what it was but it was 2. something, so lower than tinned tomatoes, and it is only sieved tomatoes, so is that ok?

Mlig Tue 14-Jan-14 09:32:42

Ooooo and coconut milk, I've never used it before, haven't a clue what to do with it even, but I saw some so bought it simply because it was lower than 3g carb per 100g, is that right? And if I can think of what to do with it am I alright to use it?
Tia x

teaandthorazine Tue 14-Jan-14 09:35:01

Excellent news re: the Total, thanks! I've had some, it's bloody delicious but almost slice-able grin. Much sweeter than normal as well, imo...

Mlig, I think passata is a better bet, carb wise. It's what I try to use as we are big fans of non-spag spag bol in this house!

RatherBeOnThePiste Tue 14-Jan-14 09:43:02

Oh Willie love, huge thanks, that will be me sorted.

I dread going out for meals when on low carb, so much better to be able to plan.

Thank you!

CrabbyWinterBottom Tue 14-Jan-14 09:46:05

Mlig I eat lots of tomatoes and haven't found it be a problem... The little cherry/pomodorino type ones are 3.2%, which I think are fine. Re: tinned ones, I posted the carb counts of some common ones upthread. BIWI said that under 4g per 100g is fine, so just check your labels.

If the passata is 2% then that's fine. Check, though, because all the passatas I've looked at have been more carby that plain tinned toms.

Coconut milk I thought was quite carby, but if you've found a low carb one then try making a thai curry. Yum! You could have it with cauliflower rice.

captainmummy Tue 14-Jan-14 09:52:49

mlig - tomatoes do vary in carb counts for some reason. i use passata as it's usually lower in carbs, but check the label, and don;'t eat at every meal!
coconut milk - so long as it's under 3g/100 is fine. I use it in soups or splash a bit in yog, or even in stews. An of course for curries!

Tea - I think yog gets thicker too (not that it gets time to in my fridge)

Whoever asked about water - I use a 1lt jug and pop any orange peel or lemon peel in it to 'infuse' The dc eat 1-2 oranges/clems a day and I use the peel - it makes the water orangey, but not sweet. (After that I then use the dried peel as fire-lighters! Thrifty, me) Or try cucumber or celery.

CrabbyWinterBottom Tue 14-Jan-14 09:57:26

Dammit Milg I got all excited at the thought of a thai curry then, especially as I looked up the coconut milks and they aren't too bad. This is the green curry paste we used to use, though, and it's a shocking 21.9% carbs. sad

there's also a lovely slow-cooked pork in coconut milk recipe on the recipe thread

coconut milk does have a certain amount of carbs, but IME i think it averages out at not too much per portion so i do have it every so often, though actually i'm more likely to use coconut cream as i said as it's lower carb and you just thin it with water as needed

e.g. for blue dragon brand:

coconut cream is 1.8g carbs per 100ml

coconut milk is 3.4g per 100ml

i would substitute one carton coconut cream for one tin coconut milk and make up the difference with water/stock as appropriate

but beware creamed coconut is 22.1g carbs per 100g! shock

captainmummy Tue 14-Jan-14 10:06:53

I make a thai red curry coup with the stock from a sunday chicken, some thai spices, coconut milk and some passata. Not authentic but just the job in winter! With a few strips of chicken and brocoli/leek/carrot, it is a main meal for several days.

crabby how much do you use though? would it be ok spread over a number of portions? obviously not for every day, but as a treat or on bootcamp light it might be ok?

or you could make your own which would have a small amount of carbs in but at least no added sugar (though you would have to be stingy with the soy sauce/fish sauce, which might make it a bit disappointing)

CrabbyWinterBottom Tue 14-Jan-14 10:32:36

Good idea Willie, I might try making my own. I don't usually buy sauces and stuff, I make it all from scratch, but for some reason it had never occurred to me to make a Thai one myself. confused Thai fish sauce has sugar in it, I know that, but if I used tamari and anchovies that'd probably be similar.

i know what you mean crabby - if you're not cooking curries all the time the ingredients for the paste part can feel like an awful lot of outlay for just one meal

CrabbyWinterBottom Tue 14-Jan-14 11:03:25

I wouldn't use a bought sauce for Indian curries - am happy to make them from scratch. The Thai spices must be much more exotic to me or something. grin

ha - i only have one indian curry in my repertoire! <unadventurous>

i should branch out, i expect most of the spices are the same just in different quantities

FourArms Tue 14-Jan-14 13:00:25

If I wanted to count my daily carbs, would I be counting total carbs or carb - fibre? Just out of interest to see how much I lose at what carb levels smile I've been LC for a while, but probably still having 60g a day until yesterday.

captainmummy Tue 14-Jan-14 13:01:50

fourarms - if you are using something like MFP you will need to include a column for 'fibre' and subtract this from carbs. it's an american site, so they count carbs differently.

LittleMissDisorganized Tue 14-Jan-14 13:21:20

I have a question but am anticipating the answer. I am (was) very into baking, most of it for outside the home, eg children's groups, church events, meetings, etc (else I'd be even bigger).
I'll probably be doing bootcamp beyond 2 weeks so am going to encounter plenty of times I would have made something.
Should I bake anyway and show some backbone? Make low carb cakes in case I can't resist? Not bake at all for now as it's only for a while and is a temptation just asking me to fail?
Saturday is the first such time... don't know what to do for the best.

Maryz Tue 14-Jan-14 13:25:52

LittleMiss, I don't know the answer, only what I would do.

DON'T bake "low carb" stuff - it won't be low carb enough and you will justify eating it.

DON'T bake if you aren't 100% sure it will be packed up and out of the house that day.

If you can bake it, pack it and export it immediately you will be ok. But we are all going to get lows in the first few weeks. That's why I have no wine in the house, and dh has hidden all the kids' treats. I don't trust myself.

ChippingInWadesIn Tue 14-Jan-14 13:29:18

LittleMiss - I would happily makes cakes, I have never liked 'liking the bowl' <gag> or a tray of cupcakes as I'm not that fussed by them and you make 'a dozen', biscuits/tray bakes - where they are uncountable and bits 'just fall off' would be too much temptation grin

Try a cake this weekend - see how you go.

BUT should you be standing any more than absolutely necessary yet? It sounds to me like you could be overdoing things!

captainmummy Tue 14-Jan-14 15:40:16

LittleMiss - I don;t like cakes or biscuits so I know I wouldn't be tempted, but if you think you might, it's prob best to find another hobby for a while!

(BTW there is no such thing as lowcarb baking, I don'tthink - flour/sugar/etc is in all cakes, surely? That said, thre is a lovely recipe for parmesan shortbread on the recipe thread. uses almonds IIRC)

LittleMissDisorganized Tue 14-Jan-14 16:08:05

Ooh, thank you for the replies! I've taken up card making with much enthusiasm because I can do it sitting down and it's inedible. Definitely agree with that thinking.

captainmummy I think I'm right in saying that you can use almond flour/ coconut flour instead and also <whispers> crystalline/ powdered sweetener. But I am not planning to do this for my consumption not yet anyway . I completely agree Maryz that by doing so I'm probably providing myself with an excuse to eat some! - thank you for calling me on that.

I like the get it out the house the same day and the make something with a discrete quantity so there are no little leftovers. Brightly coloured cupcakes I think.

ChippingIn how do you know I have that too-fast-too-soon tendency grin but I do have a kitchen perch, a good food mixer, and I can ice sitting down. Honest.... But seriously, that might come into it. I have done really well this time, been disciplined about how much I'm doing, and not planned too much. Which meant that when I felt awful today I could lie on the sofa and listen to Radio 3 and relax. It would be the only plan I really have for Saturday, so I am doing things right this time.

card making excellent

also knitting/crochet

both inedible, plus you need clean hands

LauraBridges Tue 14-Jan-14 17:56:06

My views are that any baking is better avoided as it is usually not great for your health, any of those foods even if someone comes up with some kind of fake pretend it's sugar and carbs receipe or paleo cookies or something. That will not help you change what and how you eat for life and will just prime the pump of need for sugar even if you use sugar substitutes. If you really have to supply cakes for things and on principle I just rarely ever would as that feels like to me giving people things which are bad for them, then you could buy them instead and then they would all be wrapped up and not tempted by them.

There is quite a lot on the radiantrecovery website which is about sugar addiction in the US on how to deal with parties and halloween and how to do festivals and school events without any cakes and sugar.

ziggiestardust Tue 14-Jan-14 18:12:36

I need a drink I can have tonight whilst out. I'm off alcohol anyway, so I'm not bothered about temptation from that. I'm pretty sure the bar doesn't serve sparkling water, and as it's an occasion I don't want to drink tap water and look like a party pooper.

Can I have some advice please?

captainmummy Tue 14-Jan-14 19:03:50

Surely any bar will serve sparkling water? Bottled sparkling water? If not I'd report them to the Of-whatever... what do they do for drivers who don't like jiuce?

If they really don't,then a slimline tonic with ice and slice looks like G&T !

SayraT Tue 14-Jan-14 19:10:37

This might be completely unrelated to LCing but I've been hearing/feeling my pulse in my ears a lot recently (only since I started this WOE).

Has it happened to anyone else?

captainmummy Tue 14-Jan-14 19:12:03

Maybe get your blood pressure checked Sayra?

SayraT Tue 14-Jan-14 19:26:01

Could that have changed quickly? I've not had it checked recently but every time I have its been fine. No idea of the actual numbers though.

Its only been the last week, last night in bed is was very loud/irritating.

ziggiestardust Tue 14-Jan-14 19:26:56

captain I've never seen it, I thought that they'd do San or something like that... Perhaps I've just never seen it.

I was thinking in a pinch; slim line tonic with ice and a slice. I know it's not great (additives) but better than diving face first into a bucket of wine.

Suzymoo9 Tue 14-Jan-14 19:40:56

Stairsinthenight I saw that avocado flesh is 1.9 on the veg carb counter which is at the bottom of the spreadsheet.

Suzymoo9 Tue 14-Jan-14 19:48:33

Stairsinthenight I saw that avocado flesh is 1.9 on the veg carb counter which is at the bottom of the spreadsheet.

Suzymoo9 Tue 14-Jan-14 19:49:19

Sorry folks I posted on the wrong thread twice!

But thank you Suzymoo! That means I can eat loads of avocados, right!?

Kefybaby Tue 14-Jan-14 21:24:06

Confirm my suspicion, please: chewing gum, even sugar free, is not a good idea, is it? Whenever I've had one I have felt really hungry afterwards! So, what do we do about ketone breath?! blush I am having lots of water but keep feeling very self conscious...

Suzymoo9 Tue 14-Jan-14 21:44:23

Stairs I am new to this too so wouldn't like to say -

rosetintedglasses Tue 14-Jan-14 22:17:46

Ooh another one asking about ketone breath! I'm on day 3 and feel a bit odd which I can manage fine except for the nasty metallic taste in my mouth and the horrid breath! Any suggestions anyone? Is there something I can eat / spray / anything to get rid of it? And will it last forever or just while I'm getting used to stuff? <panics at thought of this going on forever>

BIWI Tue 14-Jan-14 22:22:35

It won't last forever - drink lots of water! If it's really bad, sugar-free chewing gum can help or sugar-free mints (I know they have artificial sweeteners in them, but it's only a temporary thing)

RatherBeOnThePiste Tue 14-Jan-14 22:24:28

My question is, do I tidy up the kitchen before I go to bed, or wait until the morning?

ChippingInWadesIn Tue 14-Jan-14 23:36:18

Pistey - I'm guessing I'm too late now... you should know the answer to that one though!!

Get someone else to do it tonight grin

ChippingInWadesIn Tue 14-Jan-14 23:39:24

LittleMiss - I believe you, thousands wouldn't. I'm keeping my beady eye on you!

SuzyMoo - I have at least one Avocado a day smile

RatherBeOnThePiste Wed 15-Jan-14 06:01:15

I left it grin

RatherBeOnThePiste Wed 15-Jan-14 06:05:36

And now of course I regret it!

LauraBridges Wed 15-Jan-14 06:58:27

Avocados are very good. I hate two very small ones that have been in the fridge for ages last night.

Cbeebijeebies Wed 15-Jan-14 07:57:59

Can we drink peppermint tea? I find drinking it once a day has gotten rid of the strange breath (DP seems to agree...very enthusiastically!) hmm grin

captainmummy Wed 15-Jan-14 08:05:19

Peppermint tea id fine, great in fact as is any of the other herbal ir fruit teas, so long as they are unsweetened and black!
Sayra - I wouldn't have thought this WOE would cause blood-pounding-in-ears, but if it bothers you get it checked by a doctor. Blood pressure is the only thing i can think of that would cause pounding-in-ears...

Ziggie - what did you end up with last night?

ElBombero Wed 15-Jan-14 08:22:11

Anyone tried turnip / swede chips in fryer?

captainmummy Wed 15-Jan-14 08:30:35

No - because i don't have a fryer. I havent heard of anyone trying it - I do them in the oven, like oven chips. If you try it Bombero, let us know!

Cbeebijeebies Wed 15-Jan-14 08:32:56

I did them in a LOT of Olive Oil el

They were very nice and went down well with everyone here smile

Needed a good pat down with kitchen paper though as they can get very oily.

filled the pan so it was 1/2 a chip thick then turned them occasionally.

ziggiestardust Wed 15-Jan-14 09:04:44

captain I ended up with one glass of slimline tonic (ordered by friend before I got to the bar) and then switched out to soda water with ice and a slice. I wasn't overly sold on it, but I think it might be an acquired taste!

Stayed away from all snacks and the sugary twats proffering them to me, and left my purse at home when I dropped the babysitter back so I couldn't stop at a petrol station and bug sweets.

<polishes halo>

Can I have a gold star please?

BIWI Wed 15-Jan-14 09:49:08

<pins large gold star on to ziggie>

RatherBeOnThePiste Wed 15-Jan-14 09:50:24


BIWI Wed 15-Jan-14 09:52:05

You could have had one if you'd tidied your kitchen last night, Pistey grin

RatherBeOnThePiste Wed 15-Jan-14 09:55:12

Ah sad

LadyInDisguise Wed 15-Jan-14 10:27:28

A quick question for a complete newbie.

I do quite a few recipies that will include a tablespoon or two of flour (eg stews, white sauce etc...).
is that OK for a low carbs diet or is it already too much?

LadyInDisguise Wed 15-Jan-14 10:28:13

And would you have a good book/website that talks about it in more details too?

CrabbyWinterBottom Wed 15-Jan-14 10:34:59

Lady unfortunately it is too much and not allowed on bootcamp (hopes BIWI will contradict me on this grin). I have experimented with ways of thickening sauces and I admit that nothing quite does the trick like flour/cornflour/arrowroot. Depending on the recipe, for stews and gravies you can try using ground almonds or pureed butternut squash to thicken, or reduce the liquid down more to a jus consistency. For a white/cheese sauce I use cream and a variety of cheeses - mascarpone, mozzarella, cream cheese - to get the creamy consistency.

Once I'm on bootcamp light, I must admit I do use a teaspoon of cornflour in wine to thicken the Sunday roast gravy. <<cowers from BIWI's big stick>>

CrabbyWinterBottom Wed 15-Jan-14 10:36:09

Talks about low carb in general, Lady, or cooking sauces specifically?

LittleMissDisorganized Wed 15-Jan-14 11:44:47

I am happy to be kept an eye on ChippingIn grin it keeps me accountable.

Really interesting thoughts on baking, thanks for adding yours Laura. I am a feeder, and looking at the way Gatorade's aunt is behaving on the other thread I can see myself in that. I have worked on it - not letting my self-esteem be caught up in people wanting to be fed, and not being rejected by that either, but genuinely offering something of myself, which people can have if they would like, and my sense of self remaining unaffected. I have to keep it in check though. And I guess giving people 'things I think are bad for them'... maybe when I have more experience I might come to thinking like that too. I think too much sometimes, that's for sure!

I have cupcakes planned for baking Saturday am and leaving the house early afternoon. If it's a disaster, I won't do it next time. It's probably in a few weeks that I will be in more danger - I've lost weight and am committed just now!

Thumbwitch Wed 15-Jan-14 12:41:56

Does anyone have a really good cheese sauce recipe using egg instead of flour? I cheated today and had to use cornflour in milk, I was already halfway through the sauce and realised it was basically just liquid fat, and my DSs weren't going to eat it like that!
DIdn't think of using egg until after, but don't really know how I'd do it, so if anyone DOES, I'd be very grateful to know. smile

thumbwitch i don't use egg at all in cheese sauce so is that a requirement?

i do:

dollop full fat cream cheese (maybe 2tbsp?)
sploosh of double cream (maybe 75ml ish?)
large handful grated cheddar

mix together (will be quite stiff) and either melt gently in a saucepan until smooth, or spread on top of whatever it is you're cooking (e.g. steamed cauliflower for cauli cheese) and put in the oven/under the grill

the above would serve 1-2 people depending on appetite

apologies for lack of quantities - i would suggest experimenting to your own taste

SteeleyeStan Wed 15-Jan-14 13:01:34

Lady if you meant books about low carbing, I'll quote from (BIWI's?) recommendations from here

"Useful books on low-carb dieting:

Dr Atkins New Diet Revolution by Dr Atkins
Escape the Diet Trap by Dr John Briffa
The True You Diet by Dr John Briffa
The New High Protein Diet by Dr Charles Clark
The Harcombe Diet by Zoe Harcombe
The Idiot-Proof Diet by India Knight and Neris Thomas
The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living by Stephen D. Phinney MD and Rd Jeff S. Volek
The Diet Delusion by Gary Taubes
Why We Get Fat and What To Do About It by Gary Taubes"

I've just read Escape the Diet Trap by Dr John Briffa and thought it was really good and informative. smile

BIWI Wed 15-Jan-14 13:25:49

No flour in sauces!

If I'm making cheese sauce I do what Willie does.

For things like gravy, most of the time I just use the meat juices as they are. Sometimes I boil them down a bit, to reduce them - but otherwise I don't thicken them.

There's a recipe for low carb gravy on the recipe side, from the IPD book. I've never made it myself, but if you're desperate for gravy it might hit the spot.

Thumbwitch Wed 15-Jan-14 13:30:07

No, not a requirement, just a thought that it would be another way to thicken the sauce. I didn't have any other cream cheese than the Boursin and it melted down to liquid; if I'd let it cool/not heated it so much it would probably have thickened up again but I was caught out because I was halfway through cooking it when I realised!

Will get some philly or somesuch and try with that instead, thanks. smile

LadyInDisguise Wed 15-Jan-14 13:54:59

Thanks. Will have a look at all the books you mentioned.
And thanks for the advice re flour too. I am still trying to get my head around what I can do and can't and what my dcs/DH will be happy to eat. No wYi am going to make two meals forgets that DH has to have some sort of carbs in his meal, preferably potatoes

ah gotcha - wasn't sure whether egg was essential there

with jus, you can also be terribly michel roux jr and reduce a lot then add a knob of butter, which emulsifies and while doesn't thicken it exactly sort of makes it glossy and professional-looking. and tasty obv

lady my dp eats carbs and i just make things that can have carbs added or removed as necessary, e.g.:

- for him pasta+sauce, for me veg+sauce
- for him stew+potatoes, for me stew+veg
- for him meat+veg+potatoes, for me meat+veg
- for him fish+salad+couscous, for me fish+salad


Morgan Wed 15-Jan-14 16:15:51

Quick question been using mascarpone which is 4g per 100g - is that a bit high ? Today bought Rachel's organic luxury creme fraiche which is 2.4g per 100g so should be ok?


both should be fine morgan, but maybe the first time you use them check your portion size so you know you're not accidentally consuming 20g carbs without realising!

heliumheart Wed 15-Jan-14 16:25:05

That seems high to me for mascarpone, I thought it was normally about 2g/100g carbs?

ThermoLobster Wed 15-Jan-14 16:40:11

Hi all. Couple of quick questions. I am doing ok but really struggling to break my no added sugar squash addiction. I am cutting down drastically and determined to kill it eventually - the fact that I am finding it harder to break my addiction to this versus wine that I love tells me it is v bad! But will it ruin my bootcamp having the odd glass?

Also, I have had diarrhea today. Am sure it is not carb related but when I have this, I usually turn to carbs to... Ahem... Thicken things up! The old BRAT diet! Any suggestions on what I could use instead?

captainmummy Wed 15-Jan-14 18:52:36

Thermo -it's usually the opposite problem! Same remedy -lots of veg. Thing about artificial sweeteners is that sweet / sugar is addictive (as you are finding out!) And that hold on us needs to be broken. Give up if you can - and bear in mind that artificial sweeteners have been implicated in cancers, cellulite ... Our bodies don't need it, and it's BAD!!! :-)

ThermoLobster Wed 15-Jan-14 19:54:40

I know! I have gone from being somewhat constipated and bowel movements akin to giving birth to this! Which is why I don't think it is the woe causing it!

Thanks for the advice!

Morgan Wed 15-Jan-14 21:13:10

So for tomorrow I have packed to take to work:-

B - cottage cheese ( longley farm one ) smoked salmon cuc and tomato

L- salad with calamari and avocado and lots of mayo and some chicken pieces too

Does that sound ok ??

Just having some yog with cinnamon - delicious

BIWI Wed 15-Jan-14 21:15:24

That sounds perfect - but please tell me it isn't low fat cottage cheese? grin

Sylvana Wed 15-Jan-14 22:23:45

Hi all, I have a question or two. Is a splash of milk in tea/coffee definately out ? Cream isn't available in work and I don't like black tea/coffee.

Is shop bought coleslaw allowed ? Do I just need to check the carb content is below 3g per 100g ?


sylvana i do still have one cup of coffee with a splash of milk per day (very occasionally two). it hasn't seemed to be a problem for me, but it would be something i would look at if i needed to tweak anything

shop-bought coleslaw is ok if you check the carb content and portion size (but homemade is better wink)

Sylvana Wed 15-Jan-14 22:33:53

Thank you Willie!

pinkbraces Thu 16-Jan-14 09:53:09

Question from my DH, how many carbs should he be eating in a day whilst on bootcamp? Ive tried to explain that if he follows the rules he will be fine but he likes to have a number to work to!

CrabbyWinterBottom Thu 16-Jan-14 10:13:51

pink get BIWI to brandish her big stick at him! grin The point is to leave behind the calorie counting/carb counting mentality with this WOE. I think there are some carb counters around who can probably tell you what the daily 'limit' should be for weight loss. I think it's around 60g of carbs per day, but I'm not sure of that.

seriouslion Thu 16-Jan-14 10:28:06

I am new here and have been doing this with DH since last week. Its going really well, so thank you everyone!
But, DH is not sleeping very well at night. He is waking up a few times and doesn't feel like he's getting a good night's sleep.
Anyone have any ideas why? Or what he could do to help?

Whoknowswhocares Thu 16-Jan-14 10:32:32

I have just discovered the Turkish yogurt from Lidl. It's lush!!

At 4.2g carbs per 100g is it too high? (I'm not trying to lose, just maintain and keep sugar levels even)

Morgan Thu 16-Jan-14 11:20:45

BIWI thank you . The cottage cheese is not low fat it is the normal one and I saw it and had a craving for it - it was never allowed on low fat diets as too fatty grin

Also had a packet of plain chicken pieces from M and S as was really hungry this am on waking - why would that be ? felt that I had a goo dinner last night plenty of chicken, bacon and mushroom casserole in a creamy cheesey sauce and mashed up swede with butter and crème fraiche and then yoghurt with cinnamon at 9 ?? Wasn't expecting to feel so hungry.

pinkbraces - you are of course right, but if he wants a figure then it's a bit tricky as everyone is different and some can tolerate higher levels of carbs than others. being a man he can probably, annoyingly, get away with more carbs, but maybe don't tell him that wink. i think generally anything below about 50-60g is probably ok (and considerably lower than the standard UK diet), some prefer to stay nearer the 20g mark, but really you have to find the level that works for you

seriouslion that's an unusual one because most people report better sleep. is he generally a good sleeper? he's not consuming more caffeine than before? is he eating enough, particularly fat (i.e. he's not getting hungry which is causing him to wake)? is he eating closer to bed time?

whoknows 4.2g is just about ok - just make sure you check your portion size

Morgan well it is normal to be hungry around breakfast time, but if you say you felt unusually so, i don't know... your body is still getting used to low carbing so it will probably do some funny things. maybe see if it happens again.

ooh, also Morgan, did you drink enough water yesterday? that hunger could have been thirst in disguise?

RatherBeOnThePiste Thu 16-Jan-14 11:47:42

Hello Willie, hello everyone, just having a few mins catching up, need to read everything.

I didn't have to go to the loo in the night last night, I've just realised! Huzzah! Must be getting used to all this water


gussiegrips Thu 16-Jan-14 13:12:40

Huh, I made a mistaikz.

Baby sweetcorn - packet says 0.9g carbs on the back. Smashing! So, I polished off ten of the blighters in an evening.

So sweet, so crunchy, so happy!

Weighed myself this morning, no loss. I know I shouldn't be weighing myself every day - but, I'm losing a pound a day, and it's exciting!

Turns out that the 0.9g isn't per 100g. Nearly 50g per 100 in a yummy babysweetcorn. Bugger.

Add to that, I made some lovely cheese and white sauces, with, erm, flour.

I can see I'm on a learning curve.

Morgan Thu 16-Jan-14 13:31:34

Willie - a drank 2.5 litres plus ginger tea and x 2 normal tea so don't think I'm thirsty.

Just eating calamari and avocado salad - tis lush grin

humanordancer Thu 16-Jan-14 13:56:49

Hello, is it a problem during bootcamp if you're a bit more of a grazer?

For instance, so far today I've had (along with lots of water):

a few spoons of greek yogurt
2 cups of coffee with double cream
some pork belly
a small slice of goats cheese
2 boiled eggs with butter and salt

I'm warming up to an avocado salad, and later on some chili sardines with buttery veg.

As an aside - I have ankles, for the first time ever grin

BIWI Thu 16-Jan-14 16:38:19

human - by the time you get into low carbing 'properly' you will find that you're not hungry, so grazing shouldn't be necessary.

And please make sure you do eat plenty of salad/veg - you haven't had any so far!

kilimmesoftly Thu 16-Jan-14 16:46:55

Thanks BIWI, I've had my avocado salad now!

humanordancer Thu 16-Jan-14 16:53:28

Oh, that was me!

Sylvana Thu 16-Jan-14 17:13:41

Hi everyone, and thanks to all the low-carb experts for answering all our questions! Very good of you to take the time to help us out smile

Where are the rules ? I can't find them anywhere.

How much water should i be drinking per day?

Can you have unlimited quantities of allowed veg and fruit ?

Kefybaby Thu 16-Jan-14 17:42:01

I am invited to celebrate a friend's birthday at a Chinese restaurant. What can I have? I am worried about hidden sugar. Should I just go for a stir fry?

Sylvana Thu 16-Jan-14 20:15:18

I found the rules on the 'soft approach bootcamp' thread. Think I will join up so see you all there ...

FourArms Thu 16-Jan-14 20:47:25

Dinner was chicken fajitas - chicken, red & orange peppers, mushrooms and onions with sour cream. Used tikka spices instead of fahjita spices as they contained sugar and little gem lettuce instead of wraps.

Is it OK to eat some higher carb veg if combined with lower carb to bring down the average?

FourArms Thu 16-Jan-14 20:48:13

Sylvana - no fruit in bootcamp sad

FourArms Thu 16-Jan-14 20:54:43

Kefybaby - I had a Chinese meal just after Christmas and didn't gain. I ordered stir fry veg for me and picked at other bits of the set menu that seemed appropriate.

Duck from duck pancakes, fried pork starter, beef & black bean sauce and prawn chop suey / chow mein (? The veg one). Felt less depriving than ordering my own meal while they all tucked in smile

sansucre Thu 16-Jan-14 22:16:59

If you're going for Chinese, always get the duck with pancakes, cucumber and spring onion although don't eat the pancakes (obviously) or the plum/hoisin sauce.

I'd also advise that you stay away from anything with a sauce, so no black bean etc as it will have a lot of sugar in it. Mushrooms stir fried with garlic and chinese greens or broccoli is a good choice too, as is stir-fried prawns with garlic smile
Chinese is surprisingly easy, it's Thai that's difficult to do.

Kefybaby Fri 17-Jan-14 05:43:17

Thanks a lot, FourArms and sansucre! Oh, how I wish I could have the (very sweet) hoisin sauce...

Woolfey Fri 17-Jan-14 10:10:55

FourArms & Sansucre, I have just posted that very question about chinese food on the other thread (I should have looked here first!) Thanks for that advice smile

RatherBeOnThePiste Fri 17-Jan-14 10:34:21

You see, better advice about Chinese nosh over here smile

My question...

Am underwhelmed by my liquorice and cinnamon tea. AIBU?

pootlebug Fri 17-Jan-14 10:42:12

RatherBeOnThePiste - YABU to be merely underwhelmed at liquorice and cinnamon tea. I would be positively gagging.

I like Rooibos (Redbush) tea if I'm avoiding all milk as I find it much more akin to 'real' tea than fruit tea, but I can live with it without milk, unlike normal tea.

LauraBridges Fri 17-Jan-14 11:11:40

I don't thing eating high carb veg (eg red peppers) with low carb veg (green paper) cancels them out that would be like saying can I eat 3 mars bars if I also eat a lettuce leaf although a bit of higher carb veg once in a while is not going to get anyone off track.

Woolfey Fri 17-Jan-14 11:20:18

Pistey, the lamb things sounds lovely though so good advice (on other thread). Don't think our chinese is that sophisticated though.

Hate liquorice, love cinnamon. I'm always v disappointed with fruit teas - always smell lovely and taste of nothing. I've never had milk in my tea anyway so got no advice on lovely tea's to try. Although I do love black jasmine and chinese teas if I fancy something different. Have you given them a go?

anewdispensation Fri 17-Jan-14 12:28:03

I just joined in 3 days ago and I have already lost 3lbs. I am committed to this bootcamp as my goal is to fit into a size 10 dress on my birthday in April. I am enjoying this as I feel like I have more knowledge than when I did it previously.

My question is I just received a book I ordered online which is the low carb revolution. However, some servings have 8g of carbs. I guess this is for when we are maintaining and not for the bootcamp period.

I like the recipes though because unlike the American ones, I understand the ingredients and the measurements.

ChippingInWadesIn Fri 17-Jan-14 12:51:35

Anew that book sounds interesting - let us know what nice recipies you use from it smile

Pistey - I have tried a few of the 'Tea Pig' ones, I don't think much of any of them. I do like Jasmin leaf tea (sprinkle the 'bits' into the hot water - rather than a 'bag'). I haven't had milk in tea for a lot of years now though, so I'm used to finding it a bit of a miserable experience and not a proper brew grin

anewdispensation Fri 17-Jan-14 13:05:04

Yes Chipping. I will share broadly once I get stuck in. At first glance, it looks 'realistic'.

CrabbyWinterBottom Fri 17-Jan-14 13:45:50

Can't bear liquorice and don't like cinnamon. I take a herbal tincture and stupidly added liquorice tincture into the mix this time. I'm almost gagging every time I take it. hmm If you have a Neal's Yard shop nearby you can buy loose herbs to make tea with, and a little ball strainer thing to make the tea with. Orange blossom is a lovely tea, loose chamomile is much nicer than the teabags ime. They do mixtures of ready made up blends too.

CrabbyWinterBottom Fri 17-Jan-14 13:47:00

Anew I'd just check that all the ingredients in the recipe are bootcamp permitted, and if not substitute/adapt so that it is. Then share all the yummy recipes with us. wink

RatherBeOnThePiste Fri 17-Jan-14 13:49:16

I like coffee black but do like a splash of milk in tea. Have two small cups a day.

Sadly can't bear the smell of red bush. One of my colleagues had that, just made me feel queasy. Like jasmine, can't do camomile, reminds me too much of morning sickness.

These fruity/ herbal teas promise so much don't they? Never blardy deliver. sad

Mlig Fri 17-Jan-14 14:43:53

Lol ratherbeonthepiste, I always think that, they sound do lovely!

Can anyone help? I'm wanting to make a shepherds pie type thing tonight with cheeses cauliflower mash for the top, but what can I put on with the mince to make it not dry? I'd usually use gravy but obviously that's out x

ElBombero Fri 17-Jan-14 15:03:23

Mlig I had the same thing the other night, I used some beef stick with just a teaspoon of bisto best. Was yum n didn't knock me out if ketosis

RatherBeOnThePiste Fri 17-Jan-14 17:57:41

AIBU to be looking forward to my gin a week on Sunday THIS MUCH?

Suzymoo9 Fri 17-Jan-14 18:22:16

A couple of questions:

- Can we have unsweetened almond milk? (0.1g carb so I think so?)

- What proportion of fat to veg to protein is best? Should the emphasis be on one over the others?

thanks thanks thanks smile

HerGraciousMajTheBeardedPotato Fri 17-Jan-14 18:34:55

Could you clarify the carb counts of bean sprouts and beetroot please?

HerGraciousMajTheBeardedPotato Fri 17-Jan-14 18:38:54

Piste try Teapigs licorish and peppermint, or Pukka peppermint and licorish. Both v v v nice.

As long as you like licorish grin
Can barely taste the mint, but it makes quite a difference compared to neat licorish.

BIWI Fri 17-Jan-14 19:04:19

Mlig - there's a recipe for shepherd's pie on the recipe thread!

LittleMissDisorganized Fri 17-Jan-14 19:05:10

Maple and camomile is my favourite (?twinings) - it really does taste as good as it smells. And pukka licorice and cinnamon.

Kate thank you for 'getting' me. I reminded myself this afternoon that I spent years responding to sugar-hunger, it's not surprising I feel odd as my body converts to a complete shift in mindset.

After my yogurt at lunch, I've been out all afternoon, and thought, what will I do if I get hungry - but I didn't. Am just hungry now, have made taco gratin from the Scandinavian Low Carb High Fat cookbook. Smells good!!

Nux Fri 17-Jan-14 20:09:47

Not sure if anyone else has mentioned it but I'm a big fan of fennel tea, it's not too overpowering and makes a great digestif. Having said that, as sfr as I'm concerned it's not actual tea and I still have a couple of cups of real tea with milk in every day. I gave up sweetener in it so I now drink less of it than I did as it's not as nice! But I can't not drink tea.

CrabbyWinterBottom Fri 17-Jan-14 22:54:31

YANBU Piste wink

LittleMissDisorganized Sat 18-Jan-14 01:37:41

Sorry, posted most of my post on the wrong thread earlier. Can I blame the brain-fog?! confused

ElBombero Sat 18-Jan-14 08:23:31

So yesterday was day 11 of my bootcamp, started early. Last night was my dads 60th, I went with the best intentions but they went out of the window with the glass of pink champagne on arrival. Then a wry sweet sauce over out meat, followed by dessert. Just thought bugger it will start again tomorrow.

So checked this morning and still in ketosis. Whys that? Don't understand...

LauraBridges Sat 18-Jan-14 08:52:20

Suzy, on the proportions I think who track these things tend to do a percentage of carbs (they will come from your veg) fat and protein.

It might be 60% (or 70% even) fat, 35% protein, 5% carbs.

I don't track which is probably where I am going wrong. Have eaten only veg, meat etc all week but plus cream (and I suppose the cream must be the problem) and am 10 stone 2 and I put my starting weight down as 10 stone so perhaps I am the person least sensible to take advice from on the thread as I can eat keto/paleo or whatever you want to call it and still put on weight!.

I am going to cut out the small quarter glass of cream today and see if that works. Already have no cheese. My body really hates cheese and cream anyway.

I suppose I am going to have to limit portions and as my portions seem to be double what most people eat on here that is probably the answer. Most people's bodies don't let them eat masses of fat or even meat but mine does.

MrsHughJarse Sat 18-Jan-14 09:19:06

Where is the best place to order Ketostix ?

heliumheart Sat 18-Jan-14 09:22:12

MrsHugh - I got mine here from Ebay - £5.75 and free postage.

MrsHughJarse Sat 18-Jan-14 10:25:43

Ordered ! Thx helium

LittleMissDisorganized Sat 18-Jan-14 11:00:40

ElBombero dehydration will also put you into ketosis - so an early morning wee after no fluids during the night and alcohol (or caffeine) the night before will show ketosis in lots of people. The sticks don't differentiate between nutritive ketosis and dehydration (they are commonly used in hyperemesis to monitor how severe things are) - so if you drink loads of water today you might dip out of it (dehydration) and then back into it (nutritive).

I think this is right I am not a long term low carber but I do know a good bit of human physiology and medical tests, etc.

BriarRainbowshimmer Sat 18-Jan-14 14:22:20

Hi, I don't know if it's been brought up here yet but this thread seems like a good place to ask.

Q: When will the constant need to pee stop?!! I need to go every hour, it seems! And I keep waking up way too early in the morning, argh!

Suzymoo9 Sat 18-Jan-14 14:39:28

Thanks Laura - sounds like eating fat is very important then. So perhaps the cream is not the problem with you as it is low in carbs.?

I think I read somewhere on the threads that the more fat you eat the more you are likely to lose?

Good luck smile

Nux Sat 18-Jan-14 14:46:16

How do you know you're in ketosis?

ElBombero Sat 18-Jan-14 17:24:00


Notsoskinnyminny Sat 18-Jan-14 18:35:11

Is butternut squash too carby for bc and any suggestions for what to do with asparagus - I went to adli for the first time ever and can't believe how cheap the veg is so bought loads as well as cooked meats, olives and cheeses.

Kefybaby Sat 18-Jan-14 19:35:51

Laura, I have also felt really hungry this week and I feel my portions have been huge. blush

LauraBridges Sat 18-Jan-14 22:25:04

(Yes, cream is no carbs but it is high calorie and the bottom line is that high fat foods make you less hungry so you eat less and take in fewer calories and perhaps a few more complex things than that but that's largely true).

I had to have a day off today in order to get through my tax return and after being what I thought was so good and 100% compliant for all this week and no loss at all so we will draw a veil over the nuts and raisins and sweet potato and start again tomorrow....

I have not added up calories but a normal day this week woudl be something like

4 slices of fried bacon with 3 egg yolks for breakfast.
Lunch piece of salmon fried with a tin of oysters, courgettes, green peppers, a mound of spinach with loads of butter on top
Cream after drunk slightly warm with cinnamon - I don't actually like it so was delighted I finished it yesterday.
No dinner on Thursday as all that was so filling but even so no weight loss even then

Anyway I will get back on track tomorrow and there is now no cream in the house nor sweet potatoes left. I managed to lose almost a stone last year and keep it off so no reason I can't do the same this year.

On butternut s - I used to eat it almost every day but not now as it's higher carb. It's obviously a nice and healthy food and good to eat if you don't want to lose weight.

hazchem Sat 18-Jan-14 22:32:38

My favorite herbal tea at the moment is rosemary. Just a couple of shakes of dried rosemary in a small tea pot. It's really tasty. Weirdly yummy and tasty.

CrabbyWinterBottom Sun 19-Jan-14 00:10:56

Notso butternut squash is too carby for bootcamp. Some asparagus suggestions...
Roasted/sauteed in butter and black pepper
Baked in olive oil with parma ham and plenty of parmesan on top
Steamed/sauteed with hollandaise sauce.

RatherBeOnThePiste Sun 19-Jan-14 10:14:59

Morning Losers smile

No questions, just reading. Will try the rosemary tea, sounds very hopeful! Went to Gin School last summer, as you do, with lovely BIWI and Heps. Yes there really IS such a thing, and we had the most luscious gin with rosemary in. Twas almost savoury, god it was lovely. As indeed were they all. grin


BIWI Sun 19-Jan-14 10:50:41

Nux - if you follow Bootcamp rules you will be in ketosis. No need to waste your money on ketostix.

And, if you're drinking the water that you should be, the ketostix will only show a very pale pink anyway!

Thumbwitch Sun 19-Jan-14 12:08:37

How many gorgeous Tasmanian cherries can I eat in one day to minimise messing up my boot camp week? they won't last long, especially once DH knows they're in the house, and I won't get any more til next year...

BIWI Sun 19-Jan-14 12:53:31

12g carbs in 100g cherries, Thumb. No idea how many you'd get for 100g, but if you kept the rest of the day low carb (just salad with your meals, perhaps?) then it shouldn't be too bad.

Just be vigilant that it doesn't start off cravings for other sweet things.

Thumbwitch Sun 19-Jan-14 14:00:08

OK thanks BIWI smile
If anything, the need for sweet has been less since I ate one, but I'll keep a strict eye on it.

Hi guys!

Question about low-carbing. Possibly a very silly one, so forgive me.

I'm not actually overweight in a BMI sense, but I have put on about a stone in wine-and-cheese weight over the last year or so, and all of it is jiggly fat sad It's all on my belly, bum and thighs, looks and feels awful and is really starting to get me down.

Now, since it's excess fat rather than excess weight (if you see the distinction) would low-carbing be the wrong path for me? It does seem a terribly fatty WOE and I wonder if on a slim-but-wobbly person like me it wouldn't help the situation?


ChippingInWadesIn Sun 19-Jan-14 15:01:14

Mermaid - it would be perfect for you smile It will get rid of the excess fat, no matter where you are storing it - jiggly bits are easier accessed!

Had to laugh though - excess weight is just more of what you have, well stored grin

It is not a forgiving way to eat (lose weight) though, so you have to wholeheartedly throw yourself into it if you are going to do it - you can't keep eating (or drinking) the carbs alongside low carb meals as you will stack on the weight.

teaandthorazine Sun 19-Jan-14 15:23:43

Mermaid, you sound just like me - basically slim (ish) except for a wobbly tummy and slightly flabby thighs? Take it from me, this WOE works beautifully for that! For a start, you'll find that tummy flattens significantly within a couple of days of low-carb eating...

However, I would strongly suggest you have a good read of all the info/links etc before you start, however. It's really, really important to get your head around the idea that eating fat does not equal getting flabby round your middle (or anywhere else!). Quite the opposite, in fact. On this WOE, you must eat fat to lose fat, the more the better really. It's quite a shift-in-thinking for most of us, but it vital to success.

Hope you join us grin

Thanks chipping and tea that's encouraging!

I do know what you mean chipping I knew it sounded ludicrous blush I guess I just meant the difference between actually needing to properly shift weight, and specifically needing to lose excess fat... IYSWIM... <slopes off>

CrabbyWinterBottom Sun 19-Jan-14 18:20:39

The chat thread for week 1 is full! I've posted a thread to bridge us through this evening until BIWI starts the week 2 one for tomorrow.

CrabbyWinterBottom Sun 19-Jan-14 18:22:29

Don't slope off Mermaid, slope on back and join us! grin

<slopes back>


So no booze, eh? Even the old gin 'n' slim?

EwanHoozami Sun 19-Jan-14 18:31:07

Join in Mermaid! That's exactly the kind of weight I've lost by low-carbing. Although really there's no difference in the 'types' of weight you lose. You'd lose the same bits of wobble whether LC'ing, calorie-counting or cabbage-souping or whatever. It's just that Low Carbing is sustainable, beats the hold that sugar has over you and is damned tasty

AthelstaneTheUnready Sun 19-Jan-14 18:35:44

I know what you mean, Mermaid! I've only a stone to lose, tops, but it all appears to be on my thighs. Slightly aggravating that having lost (about) 8lbs already this week, it appears to have mostly gone from face, wrists, feet, anywhere you name it at the extremities, but not the podgier middle bit of me!

EwanHoozami Sun 19-Jan-14 18:37:25

Best to take the first two bootcamp weeks as a break from the booze-drinks <science bit> Alcohol is absorbed very quickly that it's energy is available almost immediately. This energy is burned first, so the body fuel that would normally be used for energy is instead stored as fat.

hazchem Sun 19-Jan-14 19:26:37

Ratherbeonthepiste oh that gin sounds like something even I would like.

RatherBeOnThePiste Sun 19-Jan-14 19:54:11

'Twas luffly. <beams>

So we all weigh in tomorrow then post on spreadsheet? I always have a bloody early start on a Mon so I may be the first.

Lookslikerain Sun 19-Jan-14 20:52:24

A couple of questions, please. I've been reading the thread and I don't think anyone has asked them yet.

1. Fresh Herbs - are they carby? I was assuming not but want to check. Made some pesto (without pine nuts) during the week so hope they're ok.

2. Fat - I know we need to eat lots, but what does lots look like? I'm doing all veg with butter, some creamy sauces, fatty meat, oily dressing. But how do I know it's enough? And can I eat too much?

3. Craving sweet stuff - does this go away eventually, as I still have it? Especially in the evenings. Haven't given in yet and I tackle it with a spoonful of yoghurt but I'd still rather be face down in a tin of chocolate biscuits.


Lookslikerain Sun 19-Jan-14 20:54:34

Oh, had another one that I forgot (I've been saving them up!).

What counts towards my water intake? Is it only water, or do herbal teas count? Coffee? Decaf coffee? Thanks.

BIWI Sun 19-Jan-14 21:00:01


1. I'm sure there are carbs in fresh herbs, but you would have to be eating sackfuls of them for them to really count!

2. Eat as much as you can. And then some more. Honestly - don't worry about it. You can't eat too much.

3. Yes, the cravings will dissipate! You'll find that next time you do eat anything sweet, it will taste incredibly sweet to you. This WOE sort of re-calibrates your taste buds.

4. Any fluid is good - but tea/coffee are diuretics. Far better to focus on drinking the water as it's also purer.

BIWI Sun 19-Jan-14 21:03:38
Lookslikerain Sun 19-Jan-14 21:16:35

Thanks BIWI. You are a superstar! thanks

BIWI Sun 19-Jan-14 21:17:46

I try my best grin

ElBombero Sun 19-Jan-14 22:44:25

BIWI - just wondering about this cannot eat too much... Am I right in thinking that once in ketosis your body makes ketones out of your fat stores or fat from your diet.

If your having loads of fat in your diet will it not choose that for energy first rather than your stores?

8ibs in one week?!!!

BIWI Sun 19-Jan-14 22:57:19

Oh yes - you can lose 8lbs in one week. But only in week one or two.

Don't be fooled into thinking that this WOE will produce losses like this every week.

Elbombero - your body will burn its fat stores once you have stopped providing it with carbs. You need to eat fat to satiate your hunger

RatherBeOnThePiste Mon 20-Jan-14 06:26:09

Morning chums.

My question is, how can it be morning already?

Kefybaby Mon 20-Jan-14 07:21:10

Piste, and how can it be Monday again too!

heliumheart Mon 20-Jan-14 09:04:10

BIWI - is it true that in theory even if you ate 10,000 cals a day of olive oil, you wouldn't be able to put on weight? In the past I have struggled to lose weight by LCing and I kept thinking that my problem was portion control - even now if I make a yummy bolognese I am very prone to massively overeating it. I have to say this is the first place where I have possibly understood that dairy might be a factor for a reason other than increased calories. Is it perhaps the hormones contained in dairy which are growth-enhancing..? (Just guessing - I know it's one reason some believe we shouldn't drink cow's milk..)

pinkbraces Mon 20-Jan-14 09:42:25

Due to religious dietary requirements I cant eat any dairy with meat which means I am eating less fat than perhaps I need to.

Can I still lose weight if I dont eat as much fat?


Woolfey Mon 20-Jan-14 09:48:18

I've bought some Pork Belly which needs using today. I've never cooked pork belly so wondering if anyone's got any good recipes/tips (that don't involve a slow cooker) TIA.

helium i don't claim to have all the answers, but this is an article by a guy who did an experiment where he ate 5,000kcal per day through low carb high fat for 21 days

he put on just over 1kg rather than the 7kg or so predicted based on a purely calories in vs. calories out calculation, and his waist measurement reduced. he explains why he thinks this is. (bear in mind he has a business to promote of course, but i'm prepared to trust him on the results of his experiment)

(though i don't understand why he ate so many green beans. surely you could do this with a bit more variety)

he then did the same thing but eating carbs see here - put on the expected weight and waist size increased

pinkbraces increasing your fat intake will help

but you can increase your fat when eating meat without using dairy (and dairy can stall some people so it's not necessarily a bad thing to be careful with it):

- use coconut oil (raw off the spoon or in cooking)
- add lots of olive oil
- add mayonnaise - do eggs count as dairy from a religious POV? (some of my DP's family are kosher but they all have slightly different interpretations so i get a bit confused!) it doesn't technically contain dairy though i guess some readymade brands might contain some - you can make your own though fairly easily

and presumably you can eat dairy in vegetarian meals?

CrabbyWinterBottom Mon 20-Jan-14 10:06:36

Woolfey there's a simole recipe for pork belly on my blog. I've just linked to it on the main chat thread.

CrabbyWinterBottom Mon 20-Jan-14 10:07:59
Woolfey Mon 20-Jan-14 11:17:53

oh excellent, thanks Crabby, looks lush in the photos, I'll have a go at that (minus the fennel seeds - yuk!) smile

bettybigballs Mon 20-Jan-14 11:49:43

I've got myself a bit confused over carb counts. If something has 23g of 100g of which 2g are sugars, you cont the 23g rather than the 2g?

Just checking!

yes the 23 betty, sorry!

bettybigballs Mon 20-Jan-14 11:54:28

Thanks Willie - I had a sneaky feeling that would be the case!

heliumheart Mon 20-Jan-14 12:46:29

Thanks for the explanation Willie

helium wrt bolognese etc i know that i can get carried away with the idea that it's low carb, because it is, but forgetting it's not carb free. so if you don't watch the portion size on something like that the carbs can add up (and that actually i would be satisfied with less; i'm just greedy)

it's also known as carb creep, as you get lulled into a false sense of security that you can eat lots on this WOE (which you can), but forgetting that low carb things in large quantities can add up to more carbs than you think

although it's boring, if you're worried you could do some weighing/calculating of the grams of carbs in your regular portions of things? it might either set your mind at rest or give you a better idea of the quantities you should/can be eating

pinkbraces Mon 20-Jan-14 13:01:26

thanks Willie smile

HerGraciousMajTheBeardedPotato Mon 20-Jan-14 15:41:53

Pinkbraces - Hellman's Mayonnaise.

On everything!

You can even stir it into soup instead of cream.

heliumheart Mon 20-Jan-14 16:07:35

Thanks Willie that makes perfect sense. I'm actually cooking up a bolognese now but aiming to make it into a lasagna using blanched leek sheets. Now just for a bit of portion control! <unlikely face>

LittleMissDisorganized Mon 20-Jan-14 17:34:36

Silly question probably - but I've seen polyols listed separately both under, and not under, carbs, while doing my food shopping online today. If polyols (and fibre actually, which is sometimes listed separately) are listed, should they be in the total carb count (aren't they indigestible altered carbs? probably very artificial anyway...)

And this facial redness... this afternoon my cheeks are bright red, the right more so than the left. As I shared I'm a recovering alcoholic and when I used to drink I did have quite flushed skin and so even now I find it flushes easily in the heat, after swimming, etc, probably due to damage to the tiny capillaries in my drinking. But this is something else - it's bright red in a streak down both cheeks. Any thoughts? Is it linked to the dietary change/ withdrawal?

littlemissdisorganized, i'm not sure about the flushing, sorry. i know i feel the cold more when low carbing, but not sure if that's related. maybe keep an eye on it?

re polyols this is an article by marks' daily apple which gives more detail about them. i think there is lots of debate about them (safety, insulin reaction, degrees of artificiality etc), and i suspect as with all these things Your Mileage May Vary - some people's bodies will have an insulin reaction and others won't. certainly things that contain them like atkins bars stall me, and whether that's to do with them provoking an insulin reaction or something else i don't know. aside from that in not-even-very-large quantities they have a huge laxative effect! they are the sweetener of choice in most diabetic chocolate/fudge/boiled sweets etc and you really have to stick to the recommended portion to avoid the laxative effect

either way they are artificial and are banned on bootcamp

LittleMissDisorganized Mon 20-Jan-14 18:05:00

Thanks Willie - I realised the likes of Atkins bars are BOB (banned on bootcamp) but this was on my soya "yogurt" substitute. Which I hoped was not BOB, and had thought to be unsweetened... I am tolerating dairy in the form of some cream and have had some 'real' yogurt so maybe time to switch back to dairy. I wondered if the intolerance would lessen - it was never very severe - once I got all that rubbish out of my system!! Thank you for such a speedy and thorough reply smile

that's a bugger that you've found it contains artificial sweeteners. i wouldn't have expected it i have to say

if you're going to try dairy apparently yoghurt is better tolerated than other things (something to do with the fermentation i guess)

Woolfey Mon 20-Jan-14 18:39:34

Crabby I've just cooked your slow roast pork belly and it is absolutely gorgeous! Thanks so much for the recipe. I have found it has one quite large drawback for me though. The house smelled of roasting pork all afternoon and it made me starving, so much so that I ate a whole packet of pork scratchings...oh dear

LauraBridges Mon 20-Jan-14 19:32:32

I am not a dairy fan because my body seems to hate it which is a great pity. Makes my nose run and throat hurt. Butter seems okay. Even cream I have decided I cannot have. No milk. No cheese. Makes snacks harder to find.

janx Mon 20-Jan-14 22:46:55

I never realised how addictive sugar isshock. How long before you don't crave it anymore?

CrabbyWinterBottom Mon 20-Jan-14 23:51:30

Yay Woolfey I'm so pleased you enjoyed it! smile It does smell amaaaaazing when it's cooking. <hungry now>

CrabbyWinterBottom Mon 20-Jan-14 23:55:13

Janx i find it takes a couple of weeks and my tastes change. Things that are allowed on BC light, eg berries and nuts, taste much sweeter and satisfy my urge for something that isn't savoury. When I then taste normal sweet stuff like biscuits or milk chocolate, it tastes sickly sweet. On BC light I make the most gorgeous berry crumbles using ground almonds and butter as the topping. Eat with clotted cream. Damn I am SO hungry now! angry

Woolfey Tue 21-Jan-14 08:48:37

ooh another lovely idea Crabby berry crumble with clotted cream, yum smile

pinkbraces Tue 21-Jan-14 09:21:12

thanks Hergracious Hellmans it is smile

I am still really craving something sweet, when does this craving go?

RatherBeOnThePiste Tue 21-Jan-14 09:31:02

Morning Losers brew smile

BIWI Tue 21-Jan-14 11:08:03

Woolfey - nothing wrong with a whole packet of pork scratchings, at least not from the point of view of the fat content.

Did you check the ingredients though? How processed are they? And make sure they don't have sugar in them!

humanordancer Tue 21-Jan-14 11:36:42

Is anyone else experiencing mild nausea? The last couple of days I just don't fancy food at all. I'm eating, sticking to the rules, drinking the water etc, just feel rather queasy and especially switched off by veg (which I am eating, nonetheless).

Also, I had to go to bed at 10 last night, and slept till 9. This is unheard of for me. Is it part of the withdrawal?

Seri77 Tue 21-Jan-14 12:15:55

I've made a lovely pork stew in slow cooker but as usual there's too much liquid. How do I thicken it without corn flour? I always put what seems like a tiny bit of liquid then next time I look it seems to have doubled.

seri if there's too much liquid i remove the meat with a slotted spoon so it doesn't disintegrate and then reduce the liquid on the hob

FourArms Tue 21-Jan-14 12:51:34

Is this correct? I've been subtracting fibre from carbs when I look at food labels and this says that is wrong. Carbs on UK labels are digestible carbs.

When starting out on the low carb way of life there is a lot of confusion about carbohyrdrate levels and how to measure them. I hope that the following information will help clarify the issues for those living in the UK.

Carbohydrates in Labelled Food

Food regulations in the UK mean that all manufactured foods are labelled with their contents, calories and the breakdown of these into protein, carbohydrate, and fat, usually per 100g.

Some labels give the amount of carbohydrate that comes from sugar whilst others break the fat down into saturated, mono-saturated and polysaturated. Labels may also contain a value for fibre and sodium.

A typical label looks like this:
Nutrition Information
Typical Values per 100g
Energy - kcal
Protein -
Carbohydrate -
.......of which sugars
Fat -
.......... of which saturates
Fibre -
Sodium -

The amount of carbohydrate given on the label is the effective carbohydrate content (ECC) of the food per 100g. The fibre value on the label is not connected to the carbohydrate value and therefore, unlike in the US, should not be deducted from the carbohydrate value. What you see on the label for carbohydrate is what you get.

Lookslikerain Tue 21-Jan-14 12:55:43

A couple more questions from me, please, oh wise LC experts.

1. Should I still be thinking about getting in 5 a day fruit/veg (well, obviously just veg right now)? Across a week, I am eating a wide variety of allowed veg but it feels like it's not as much as I was eating before. Today, I've had a big heap of spinach with breakfast, a bowl of mushroom and leek soup, and I'll have a load more on the side of dinner.

2. Erm, okay I've forgotten the second one... Yup, definitely gone. Brain fog. It'll come back to me...

Woolfey Tue 21-Jan-14 13:01:06

BIWI I guess there's nothing wrong with it in the sense of this WOE but in the sense that I ate a whole packet, was full, and then couldn't enjoy my lovely dinner that I had planned it was a bit of a problem. Anyway, I was right to eat if I was hungry.

Yes I checked the ingredients and they weren't full of sugar, and carb count was low although they did have some preservatives in them. Can't remember the make, bought them at the butchers as for some reason the supermarkets around here don't stock them.

FourArms Tue 21-Jan-14 13:02:16

I'd say variety is good for general health and if you keep to lower carb veg where poss it shouldn't affect your losses.

HerGraciousMajTheBeardedPotato Tue 21-Jan-14 13:12:44

Pinkbraces things I have found helpful for sweet cravings:

Go the opposite direction, have something very savoury.
Have a hot drink - we often do not recognise thirst, especially if we have been living with disordered eating for a long time.
Try either of the licorish teas I recommended earlier. They have an extraordinarily sweet mouthfeel.
Eat something which really engages all your senses while you do so. Celery dipped in mayo is crunchy, noisy, flavoursome - and loaded with fat, so it is very satisfying on many levels.

lookslikerain - yes, for UK labelling it already lists 'net carbs' as they say in the US. in the US you have to subtract fibre from carbs, but for UK labelling this is not necessary - the number of carbs per 100g listed is the number you count. it does make googling for carb counts a bit frustrating because you can't always be sure. and using something like myfitnesspal is even trickier because of the user-added counts (where lots of people are just counting fat and calories so it can appear that carbs are very low) as well as US values

i tend to use this carb counter but it is not comprehensive by any means. also BIWI's list of veg carb counts

re 5-a-day - this is just a random number. iirc in france they recommend 10 a day. zoe harcombe is critical of it as a marketing ploy. i find that some days i eat way more than 5 portions, other days less, but as long as i am getting variety and quality (and not getting bored) i don't worry too much

BIWI Tue 21-Jan-14 13:19:52

Lookslikerain - 5 a day is a marketing construct! Just eat what you want/like/is appropriately low carb

hergraciousmaj i do agree about something very savoury to combat sweet cravings - a piece of very very mature cheddar can really help

i find liquorice tea just too sweet. also, i have this nagging feeling that even if it's carb free it's so sweet surely it MUST be provoking an insulin reaction grin (i have no evidence, just a suspicious mind!)

BIWI Tue 21-Jan-14 13:21:09

Read Zoe Harcombe on the 5 a day myth/con (depending on your perspective!)

Woolfey Tue 21-Jan-14 13:25:40

I find that feta really helps with my chocolate cravings, very salty but creamy at the same time seems to hit the spot for me.

Lookslikerain Tue 21-Jan-14 15:41:44

BIWI as I was typing my question, I was thinking "I bet someone comes back and tells me that's a lie too". I was right! So many food lies we've been spun over the years. It really is astounding.

HerGraciousMajTheBeardedPotato Tue 21-Jan-14 15:45:21

Willie, try liquorice tea with a piece of really tart, crumbly Caerphilly, or similar crumbly cheese. A perfect combination.

As long as there's no evidence to the contrary, I'm going to believe that liquorice tea does not provoke an insulin spike! grin

Kefybaby Tue 21-Jan-14 15:50:36

I am on week 3 and have been getting headaches. This is quite unusual for me. I have LC before (Ducan and Harcombe) and did not get headaches. Could it be the dairy? I drink lots and lots of water.

kefy are you getting enough electrolytes - salt, potassium etc?

BIWI Tue 21-Jan-14 16:37:57

I know, Lookslikerain - it's shocking, isn't it?!

Kefy - not really sure why you would think it would be the dairy? And if you're on week 3, it seems a bit late for the carb flu.

As Willie says, are you eating enough salt/potassium/magnesium? And how about fat?

lookslikerain, i know what you mean

5 a day isn't the worst, but the problem is that of course fruit is sweeter so lots of people will go for that (and increased sugars), plus food manufacturers can advertise products with dried fruit/juices as '1 of your 5 a day!' so people are lulled into a false sense that their diet is healthy when actually it's very high sugar and triggering blood sugar highs and lows all over the place. it's win:win for government as it is approved 'healthy eating' message plus food industry is happy

(also just another thing for parents to worry/feel guilty about)

Kefybaby Tue 21-Jan-14 16:55:03

I suspected the dairy as it was not allowed on previous LC diets I have followed (and on which I have not had any headaches). You might have a point about electrolytes. What are good sources again (apart from salt)? Many thanks!

kefy you can use lo salt, which contains both potassium chloride and sodium chloride, but also salmon, spinach (and other dark leafy greens), mushrooms and avocado have high potassium and magnesium

because you're drinking more water it's a good idea to make sure you've got enough going in because a proportion will be flushed out

Kefybaby Tue 21-Jan-14 17:35:25

Thanks, Willie!

Suzymoo9 Tue 21-Jan-14 17:49:39

Humanordancer - I had mild nausea too and it's only when I read your post I realised it has disappeared. It might have lasted for about 5 days, the food seemed to rich without bread to soak it up. For what it's worth, I really don't feel like that now (two/threeish weeks in) and I realise that the richness of the food means I don't want very much of it any more, I feel satisfied and seem to stop eating it.

Suzymoo9 Tue 21-Jan-14 17:50:23

"too rich" I mean!

ElBombero Tue 21-Jan-14 21:48:57

BIWI, previously you have posted a 19 min video about low carb / cholesterol. Could you relink, want to prove a point to my bloody DH! X

BIWI Tue 21-Jan-14 21:50:19

Oh goodness - I can't remember which one!!!

Have you checked the Spreadsheet? There are lots of links on there to various videos.

If it's not there, give me a bit more of a clue as to who was in it

ElBombero Tue 21-Jan-14 21:56:05

You'd linked it in the warm up week, tells the story of "fat is good/carbs are bad" also talk about cholesterol. but link no longer works hmm

ElBombero Tue 21-Jan-14 22:01:28

Linked 11/01/14 @ 16.57 if that helps grin

humanordancer Tue 21-Jan-14 22:05:34

Thanks Suzy, it seems to be lessening this evening. It's been a few days, and led me a bit into eating little and often just to get something down. Right now though, I feel fine - hurray grin

BIWI Tue 21-Jan-14 22:52:39

Will have a look!

BIWI Tue 21-Jan-14 22:55:59
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ElBombero Wed 22-Jan-14 10:05:52

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LittleMissDisorganized Wed 22-Jan-14 12:50:11

Morning all. Apologies if I keep asking things that have been asked.

I feel awful again this morning. I've had probably 4-5 days of feeling great, and now I feel like I did in the middle of last week - sickly, achey, mild headachy, brain fog, almost hangover like but those days are long gone. Diarrhoea this morning a couple of times too - maybe I have an actual bug?
I started feeling achey last night and adjusted my tea to have extra broccoli and lots of salt, I've also been supplementing magnesium - I bought one pot of 30, just to cover the first weeks on this WOE (sorry if that's not encouraged). Urrrgh. I've been virus free throughout my convalescence, thankfully, so maybe I'm a sitting duck for an actual bug. I have a fellowship group that I've not been to since before my surgery and I really really need/want to make it there tonight so I'm probably stressing more than I would if I didn't have plans. I am a bit 'man-flu'ish about feeling ill. Feel like curling back up into bed with my water and a book. Carb-flu again, and if so why?! And what should I do??

LittleMissDisorganized Wed 22-Jan-14 12:50:39

blush Crikey that was an essay, sorry.

BIWI Wed 22-Jan-14 14:18:44

Hmm. Well, you're the doctor grin

<puts white coat on and slings stethoscope round neck>

I diagnose something other than carb flu and my treatment plan for you is to go to bed and rest! Paracetamol, lots of fluids and dioralyte. If you can, get some sleep.

LittleMissDisorganized Wed 22-Jan-14 14:24:59

Wow, you have a good memory! White coats are banned thankfully due to infection risk when I was at med school people didn't wash them all term, just take them home to mum 3 months later!

Bit better after lunch. I do feel like I don't really know my own body these days - am a big fan of people listening to their own body's instincts, but all mine comes up with is confused confused

Sleep sounds lovely. Just wish I was a proper person who just gets on with things, y'know?

BIWI Wed 22-Jan-14 14:28:07

Would it help if I shouted at you? grin

ChesterDrawers Wed 22-Jan-14 16:19:45

Asked on the main thread but thought I'd repost here...

My house smells like a greasy spoon. All the frying I'm doing is leaving its mark. I've had candles going all day and windows open intermittently but it's no good. Anyone got any ideas?

LittleMissDisorganized Wed 22-Jan-14 19:40:10

Shout at me to go to bed (I did!) or shout at me to pull myself together and get on with it?? I doubt I could have got on with much. Feel a bit better tonight, thanks BIWI smile

FourArms Wed 22-Jan-14 20:02:16

ChesterDrawers I've been eating lots of lamb chops (done in halogen oven). DS1 keeps complaining that the house smells like Sunday!!!

No help sorry, but I'm in the same boat! I do sometimes leave some flash in the washing up bowl with hot water which seems to get rid of other smells.

Sylvana Wed 22-Jan-14 20:31:11

I am really enjoying the food, the cravings have gone and I feel in control of my eating for the first time ever. This might be a dumb question, but do I need to watch portion size ? I understand the need to limit higher carb veg and diary but can I eat as many eggs, protein, mayo, LC veg etc as I want?

heliumheart Wed 22-Jan-14 20:46:00

Oh gals. I've had a shite day of divorcey news (hold the front page, my ex is a wanker holding the court system in contempt as well as me) and am now heading deep into a vat of wine. Argggh.

gillyweed Wed 22-Jan-14 21:29:04

I have a question about sugar please?!

So I get sugar is what we are cutting out on bootcamp (and forever...grin ), but I've noticed a few recipes and foods have used sweetner instead - is this not just as bad, if not worse as its just full of chemically-crap?!

I like baking and I'm wondering if I can continue to do a little (not often), or if its a no-go area now? I lost 7lbs last week so I'm willing to do what ever you lot tell me!

MrsHughJarse Wed 22-Jan-14 21:55:29

chesterdrawers same here with odours ...... Jo Malone candles and wide open windows seems to be the answer here ...... <teeth chattering - brrr>

BIWI Wed 22-Jan-14 21:59:18

Sylvana - I don't know how much you want to lose. Generally speaking, you don't have to worry about your portion sizes, until you get nearer to your target.

helium - I'm sorry flowers

gillyweed - no, artificial stuff isn't really allowed on Bootcamp. Firstly because it's artificial, second because there is a suggestion that the body can deal with it as if it's sugar, so it might impede weight loss and thirdly because we're trying to break the craving for sweet foods.

LittleMiss - glad you're feeling a little bit better

CrabbyWinterBottom Wed 22-Jan-14 22:16:49

Miss I always think that if it's at all possible, it's best to listen to our bodies and rest when we feel tired. If you feel exhausted and aching, your body is saying strongly that it wants to rest, conserve energy and repair. You've recently had surgery too - be gentle with yourself! Convalescence used to be a vital part of illness and recovery but our society now expects people just to get up and get on with it, and suppress our symptoms in order to be more productive. It comes back to bite us on the arse, ime. Rant over! grin

Helium sorry to hear that. sad If he's this much of a wanker, just think how much better it'll be when he and all this are behind you.

Gilly I like to bake, and once on bootcamp light you can use ground almonds to make things like crumbles, cheesecakes and almond sponge. Yum!

HerGraciousMajTheBeardedPotato Wed 22-Jan-14 23:23:45

Chester: do less frying. wink

Seriously, though, frying is not necessarily the best way to increase your fat intake. It's nice from time to time, and nothing beats eggs fried in loads of butter. Heating oils causes chemical changes that make them more unhealthy, especially vegetable oils. That's why the best, premium oils are always 'cold-pressed'.

Cook your meat in other ways, and eat it with mayo/butter/olive oil/cream sauce.

Vinegar is very good for getting rid of lingering smells. You can wipe down surfaces with white vinegar and leave overnight. Wipe again with a clean wet cloth the following day if you can still smell vinegar. Alternatively, just leave half a cup of vinegar I the room with the door closed overnight.

Thumbwitch Wed 22-Jan-14 23:38:02

Chester - really daft question because I'm sure you would have thought of it, but do you not have an over-oven extractor fan/filter hood thing? I always switch mine on when I'm frying so that it pulls all the fatty smell up into it.

Woolfey Thu 23-Jan-14 06:54:39


I like to bake, and once on bootcamp light you can use ground almonds to make things like crumbles, cheesecakes and almond sponge. Yum!

Cheesecake recipe please! You are fast becoming my cooking guru grin even looked at pigs cheeks in waitrose yesterday (but put them back again) so bloody cheap though.

Woolfey Thu 23-Jan-14 06:56:51

Got distracted by the mention of cheesecake and forgot to ask the question I came on here to ask blush. What nuts have the lowest carb? There seems to be differing carb counts listed on t'internet. I don't like the taste of almonds but hazelnuts seem to be quite low?

RottenRow Thu 23-Jan-14 07:01:36

Why can't I do this? I did bootcamp last summer and lost weight half of which has crept back on. Now I seem to be stuck in a cycle of lasting three days before giving in to a massive chocolate binge. The last time I lasted 6 days before giving in last night. And the chocolate binges are massive, gross and out of control. I wish I could get back into the mindset I had last year.

ChesterDrawers Thu 23-Jan-14 07:08:24

We've not got an extractor I'm afraid. Will be getting new kitchen in the summer though and it's high on my list of wants.

I do cook in other ways but there just seems to be a generally foody smell lingering although I am rather fond of cremated bacon Windows open it is - roll on summer!

CrabbyWinterBottom Thu 23-Jan-14 07:33:12

grin Woolfey I knew my greed and piggywiggy tendencies would come into their own in the end! I adapted a recipe for cheesecake last year using my go-to almond pastry as a base. It was much less sweet than a normal cheescake, obviously, but still lovely. I'll look for the recipe I adapted and let you know. I can see I'm gong to have to get busy on my blog once DD have left for NZ. grin

Chester it sounds like the lack of extractor fan is the problem then. Good suggestion about the vinegar. Bicarb of soda is great for deodorising but Not sure how you'd use it for airborn smells. Can you open the window every time you're frying? It draws the smell out that way. Otherwise just embrace the fact that your house smells of nice food and dog. wink

CrabbyWinterBottom Thu 23-Jan-14 07:36:47

Rotten you can do it - you've done it before! You have to figure out why you're sabotaging yourself this time. What's going on in your life? What is triggering you to dive into the chocolate? Are you letting yourself get hungry? Are you eating something fatty and satisfying (like cream/ yoghurt) when you get the urge for chocolate? Is this emotional eating and could you find other ways of dealing with the emotion? Are you 'playing the video to the end' and thinking about how you'll feel after you eat the chocolate? I think you need to pull it apart a bit.

RottenRow Thu 23-Jan-14 07:54:21

Crabby thank you. Normally I eat chocolate if I am insecure or as a treat. I am not feeling insecure but am treating myself I think for being 'good'. I also do that thing where if I eat it in secret it is somehow better. But I do get the most overwhelming cravings for sugar with this WOE which is obviously something I'd like to break. And after 3 days of these cravings I give in. I feel physically shit afterwards. Have to keep reminding myself of it.
I could probably keep more snacks on the go and food ready to go to keep the edge off.

CrabbyWinterBottom Thu 23-Jan-14 08:10:06

Rotten I know for me personally that my willpower if I'm hungry is absolutely nonexistent. I could never do 5:2, for instance, as I can have the best intentions in the world but once I'm hungry all that goes out of the window. This WOE works for me because you never have to be hungry. I find that wanting something sweet after my evening meal is a oroblem, but I've been getting around that by having clotted cream and ff yoghurt with vanilla and flaxseed in. It has the right mouth feel, iykwim, and I can lick tiny bits at a time off the spoon like ice cream. On bootcamp light it's a breeze - berries with clotted cream or my yoghurt 'ice cream' - total yoghurt with frozen berries (cooked down to a mush in a pan), cream, vanilla and flaxseed. When you leave it overnight the flaxseed softens and absorbs moisture so you get an ice cream like consistency. Also berry crumbles made with almonds, and the odd square of 70/82% chocolate. Those are treats!!

Could you try writing down how you feel after you've eaten the chocolate, so that you can read it when you're craving it? Then eat something else instead and see how you feel. Think of other ways to treat yourself and focus on how the choc isn't a treat at all but a way of sabotaging yourself.

Woolfey Thu 23-Jan-14 08:11:18

Thanks so much Crabby. I'm thinking berry cheesecake as I'm looking for things I can bake that all of us can eat as DD1 (3) loves baking and berries and I still want to be able to do that with her but for us all to be able to eat the final product as well.

pinkbraces Thu 23-Jan-14 08:59:50

oooh Crabby Im practically drooling at the thought of your ice-cream smile I cant seem to find a link to your blog please can you link again.

I have another question - my DH doesnt seem to be losing much weight and he has got about a stone and a half to lose. I think he is eating to much Total youghurt and he is also finding it a struggle giving up milk, although he has reduced his tea/coffee consumption to about 4 a day.

Am I right in telling him to lay off the yoghurt and cheese?

He went to the football last night and didnt have a pie - thats absolutely amazing, he normally has no willpower.

One other thing, I find the hardest part of this WOE is the fact you have to be so organised - although Ive always meal planned its never been set in stone where as this WOE is, does anyone have any quick go to meals which can always be on standby?

And, I need snacks,preferably crunchy ones grin

ElBombero Thu 23-Jan-14 09:49:36

Drooling at the thought of cheesecake!! Wow wow wow, being on Monday smile

NotTwit Thu 23-Jan-14 10:02:27

How much water do I need to help flush out my excess water? Lol grin
I am retaining about 1/2 a stone in the lead up to my TOTM, are there any foods that could help?
Also, will I need to redo this week next week?

Whiskersguiness Thu 23-Jan-14 10:48:19

Hi, I've been lurking for a while, too scared to post until now...can I join in?

I have a question - I've just started LC, on Tuesday to be exact. Having a slight panic today - I always go to my Nan's on a Thursday for lunch, and it's always a carby feast of delicious homemade food. I can't tell her I can't eat it, she's almost 80, she really won't understand....

I'll have to eat it, but what will happen? Will it undo all the good work over the last couple of days? Last week it was spag bol, but even the Bolognese had potatoes in it! eek!

ooh golly

not sure what has happened to the spreadsheet, i think someone has got in a muddle

please could no one touch it for a bit as i will need to do some serious repair work


normal spreadsheet service has resumed

Thumbwitch Thu 23-Jan-14 12:31:22

Has anyone tried making swede crisps? I'm DESPERATE for something salty and crunchy, and have a swede. Is it easy? does it work? Are they edible?

RottenRow Thu 23-Jan-14 14:29:51

Great tips thank you again crabby

HerGraciousMajTheBeardedPotato Thu 23-Jan-14 14:41:09

Roast swede is delicious (make as for roast potatoes, just cut a little smaller) but I don't know whether it works as crisps. Why not try it, and report back!

You can make crisps out of kale. They are soooooo good smile. I find you have to turn them over a couple of times during cooking (or possibly I overload my oven trays), and other seasonings work really well, too.

HerGraciousMajTheBeardedPotato Thu 23-Jan-14 15:26:05

RottenRow, I hear you. Me too.

I bet you already feel bad about the cravi
ng, because you know what it will lead to, and you anticipate the guilty feeling that will follow.

How about trying to think about it differently? Maybe say to yourself "I'm going to be good to myself. I'm looking after myself. I like chocolate and I will eat it when I can enjoy it." Promise yourself one square of chocolate in, say, 1hour, when you have done XYZ. Make it something achievable. And then make sure you eat that one square. Sit down, savour it, feel pleased with yourself.

happygirl87 Thu 23-Jan-14 16:06:13

Am on day 4 of LC, and for the last 2 days around 15.30 I start to get a headache (I can feel it coming on). Paracetamol doesn't help, neither does drinking more, and it gets worse until I go to bed. Then I wake up better. Any advice?!

Suzymoo9 Thu 23-Jan-14 16:29:15

Whiskersguinness my dad is 80 and he would understand. Why don't you just tell her straight you are cutting back to lose weight? Just pick out the meat and leave the potato perhaps? Good luck.

FrillyMilly Thu 23-Jan-14 22:14:23

Does anyone low carb and do any sort of long distance endurance exercise? For example cycle 35+ miles. If you do on exercise days do you eat carbs, use gels and/or electrolyte drinks then go back to LCing on other days?

frillymilly i do reasonably long-distance running - up to 10k, though usually 5k most times i run, so not huge distances by any means

i don't eat carbs before or after, and won't eat much immediately beforehand (a piece of cheese or hardboiled egg maximum), then eat a proper meal 30-60 mins after finishing

most people find that in the initial switchover to low carb exercise is considerably harder, even if fit, because the body isn't used to processing fat for energy and no longer has glycogen reserves. however, this should go back to normal after a couple of weeks. in fact, many people find that because they aren't using glycogen stores, which once empty can be hard to push through, they don't hit a 'wall' when low carbing and exercising

you shouldn't technically need carbs for endurance exercise, but if you are racing then you might need to take advice about optimum intakes

i haven't read much about this though, and your best bet would probably be to read the art and science of low carbohydrate performance by volek and phinney as it will give a much better view

BIWI Fri 24-Jan-14 13:14:46

Welcome Whiskers! Sorry I didn't see your post - what did you do yesterday about your food?!

googoogoggles Fri 24-Jan-14 13:36:53

PLEASE do put up your recipes for low carb berry ice cream, cheesecake and crumble after your DD heads off to NZ (or sooner if you have a moment though you sound crazy busy atm)

See, you is a legend in your low-carb lunchtime! grin flowers

Woolfey Fri 24-Jan-14 13:46:25

what googoogoggles said grin

Woolfey Fri 24-Jan-14 13:47:37

Why is everyone putting flaxseeds in their yogurt? Do they just taste nice or are there some other benefits when you're Lc'ing?

HaPPy8 Fri 24-Jan-14 15:32:35

FrillyMilly - my running speed has dropped significantly since starting this - i can still go the distance (up to about 10 miles) but my min/mile time is about 1 min slower. Have you noticed a difference?

FrillyMilly Fri 24-Jan-14 16:51:49

Yes I have noticed a difference. An easy route I do quite often (20 miles) is taking me an extra 20 minutes. I am hoping to do a 100 mile ride at the end of summer so not sure how to train for it as well as low carb.

HaPPy8 Fri 24-Jan-14 17:02:38

Its really annoying isn't it. I wonder if any long term low carbers have noticed this in the past and got their speed back?

FrillyMilly Fri 24-Jan-14 17:42:23

I don't know whether to stick to short rides and HIIT sessions until I'm at the size I want to be then up my carb intake a bit to start training properly/maintaining my weight. The electrolyte powder I have to make my drinks is actually really low carb but the gels I would take during a long ride are pretty much just carbs/sugar.

how long have you been low carbing?

BIWI Fri 24-Jan-14 18:06:20

You should be able to get your speed back once you're adjusted to low carbing. But as Willie asks, how long have you been doing it?

FrillyMilly Fri 24-Jan-14 18:31:33

I was doing it for a few months before Christmas. I fell in to old habits and am now on day 3 of the übercamp. I have not done any exercise yet but noticed before Christmas that I wasn't able to maintain my usual speed. I'll just stick at it.

Mlig Fri 24-Jan-14 18:51:31

Can you eat too much veg on boot camp?

Mlig Fri 24-Jan-14 18:59:26

Pop and sorry to sound stupid but what is flax? It's name sounds carby but lots are having it so it can't be x

mlig yes in the sense that if you are particularly sensitive to carbs (which given your earlier posts you may be), then you could be eating sufficiently large quantities of even low carb veg that it provokes an insulin reaction

if you're worried about that, then it may be worth (boring I know), weighing your usual portions just to check how many grams of carbs you are consuming

flax is the same as linseed. it is very high fibre and therefore very low carb

ground flax is in quite a few low carb baking recipes. personally i like it but it does make me stall - i don't know why!

HaPPy8 Fri 24-Jan-14 20:15:57

Ive been low carbing for 2 weeks tomorrow, run around 4 times a week. So its not been ages but my runs consistently slower when I feel I pushing myself hard over that time. I hope it does get better (not that I need to be fast for any reason, i just enjoy seeing faster times!) Do you think the speed will come back BIWI from what you know? I can't find a lot online, just lots of people saying low carbing isn't good for speed but can be ok for endurance.

HaPPy8 Fri 24-Jan-14 20:16:30

I was hoping the weight loss would make me faster too!

BIWI Fri 24-Jan-14 21:17:35

The book that Willie linked to is worth a read.

Other than that, all I can offer you is anecdotal: I started training for a 5K run last year, (which I completed in October) and have always run in a fasted state - first thing in the morning. It's never been an issue for me, and my times got better and better. My fastest time was just under 30 minutes for 5K which, as I'm 54, I was pretty pleased with!

You do need to allow your body to be properly ketogenically-adapted, i.e. you have to have switched it from carb-burning to fat-burning. Once that has been achieved, which should take a couple of weeks/a month, then you have plenty of fat reserves - either from bodily or dietary fat - to fuel you for whatever activity you want to engage in.

Mlig Sat 25-Jan-14 00:16:54

Thank you x

DurhamDurham Sat 25-Jan-14 09:31:14

I've been LC'ing since December and I have noticed that although my PMT isn't worse , it last so much longer. I used to feel a bit crappy for a few days but now it's more like ten days.
Anyone else noticed any changes?

Apart from this I'm enjoying the LC'ing WOE.
Husband is super impressed that I'll actually eat some pork scratchings (never thought I'd see the day....) smile

CrabbyWinterBottom Sat 25-Jan-14 12:26:56

<<basks in glow of everyone's cheesecake frenzy>> grin grin

Woolfey I put flaxseeds in my yoghurt at the moment because they taste nice and because they are a gentle bulk laxative which keeps you nice and regular. wink In the berry yoghurt 'ice cream' i put them in because I discovered that they absorb moisture to create a thicker, creamier consistency.

Be aware though, as Willie pointed out, that they can stall some people despite being very low carb.