Across the US / Canada on a train with young kids...

(55 Posts)
pointtopoint Tue 30-Oct-12 20:50:54

... Last year, my children (then aged 2 and [just] 4) did Lands End to John O'Groats by train. Was BRILLIANT fun!

DS is badgering me to do another trip.

After quite a lot of thought... I have come up with this:

New York - Chicago. (Lake shore limited... big deal in train-land)
Chicago - SF (Califonian Zephyr... which if you are a bit train obsessed is a bit of a big deal!)
From SF, we'd go up to Vancouver, and then back across Canada, to Toronto... Niagara Falls and back to NY...

So... good people on MN... What do I need to see on the way? The Grand CAnyon? The Rockies? What's unmissable if you are 3 and [just] 5??

DS (who will be 5, but only just, is train obsessed, so that will be enough for him... ) but DD (who will be nearly 4) would like some other stuff. Animals are a favourite!

ANy advice much appreciated.

pointtopoint Wed 31-Oct-12 19:42:25

Oh, dear, Ggirl - I too am an old gimmer...

Will be checking the 48 hour thing grin

Really looking forward to it though. DS is already excited.

GruesomewhereInCanada Wed 31-Oct-12 20:15:29

I've just checked online. 2 days, 7 hours and 48 minutes.

GruesomewhereInCanada Wed 31-Oct-12 20:23:31

I know it's last minute and all but just for an example, 1 adult and 2 children leaving tonight in a 3 bed cabin meals included would be almost $2,700 CAD.

Northernlurkerisbehindyouboo Wed 31-Oct-12 20:38:27

My sister took the Zephry last year. I think she enjoyed it as an experience but she was so ready to get off the train at the end! It was also about 3 hours late I think. She went to the Grand Canyon by flying to the next state and doing it as a seperate trip altogether.

pointtopoint Thu 01-Nov-12 07:22:59

Thankyou Gruesome... Think I better start saving!! haha! Would you mind linking to the website you got that from?

I'm only planning to travel from Vancouver to Toronto (I think) and then down to Niagara Falls before heading back to NYC.

I bet that last 48 minutes feels like an eternity!! hahaha!

I have to admit, it's going to be more expensive that I considered... If the train across the US is around the same as Canada, then I'm in for a about £5K once I add on the additional trains to get from SF to Vancouver... and then there are hotels along the way... and then the flights confused

Think it will have to be the children's christmas and birthday presents next year!!!

pointtopoint Thu 01-Nov-12 07:27:06

Northern - can I ask how old your sister is (approx is fine wink)?

I have looked at several rail tour operators and most people who seem keen to take train trips are much much older than 4!!! grin

There is one tour operator that runs a great trip, taking in Washington DC and the Grand Canyon, but talking to them, 90%+ of their customers are 65+, and I think we wouldn't fit in well with them... I can just imagine getting some very snotty looks when my DS has been making train noises for 2 days, 7 hours and 45 minutes grin

pointtopoint Thu 01-Nov-12 07:45:11

Also, Northern - Can you ask your sister if she could answer some questions for me?

7to25 Thu 01-Nov-12 07:51:59

How about going to San Diego rather than San Francisco? Much more child friendly and so much for them to see and do. The Zoo is world class and would enthral your younger child.

mignonette Thu 01-Nov-12 08:01:52

Oh lucky, lucky children (and you). The Rockies alone are incredible, just jaw dropping because you really do travel in them and get such a powerful sense of what it must have been like to have gone west in the pioneer days.

Have a google to see if there are any places nearby where gold mining predominated as some offer 'panning' for gold as a tourist attraction.

Grand Canyon is magnificent but Bryce Canyon in Utah (one hell of a place to lose a cow) is so stunning-

www.nps.gov/brca/index.htm

Idaho, Montana or Yellowstone in Wyoming would offer more than prairie. You can go to dinosaur/fossil finding tourist attractions in Montana as some of the biggest dino's have been dug up there. Another idea is the Dakota Badlands.

Have you considered returning via the southern half of the USA, maybe aiming towards New Mexico/ Texas? Plenty of exciting rodeo for your sons to watch...

pointtopoint Thu 01-Nov-12 08:12:56

Thankyou, Mignonette...

I will check that link. I have considered coming back on the southern side (The crescent?) but (and this is a really long story... so won't bore you with details on why)... I know my parents will be much happier if I stick to Canada rather than Texas.

I think I am going to have to miss the Grand Canyon... There is no easy way to get down there. Love the idea of panning for gold, though... grin

7to25 - My Dh and I honeymooned in SF... We got married in Vegas. I wanted to spend so much more time there... Was lovely! I guess I have a romantic notion of taking the children there. WIll check out San Diego zoo though. thanks!

mignonette Thu 01-Nov-12 08:23:02

SF is great for Children- Fishermans Wharf is wonderful albeit full of tourists.

As you know, you can see great wildlife along the Pacific Highway beaches, especially if you head up towards the Oregon/Cali border- Seals etc.

I think the scale of the Grand Canyon can be lost on very young children whereas a place like Bryce whilst possessed of vast canyons too, has geological features that your children can engage with more actively such as slot canyons. You may benefit from booking a trail guide. Also, check you don't need permits in advance though like the GC demands if you want to trek down.

Noren Thu 01-Nov-12 08:26:31

On phone and not sure if it's already been mentioned, but check out website seat61.com for train info.

pointtopoint Thu 01-Nov-12 08:29:44

Thanks Noren - Seat61 is one of my favourite websites!! train porn grin

Mignonette - thanks. I want to spend a few days in SF.. Take them to ALcatraz, the pacific ocean, Fishermans Wharf, the trams grin I take your point re. the Grand Canyon... Will look at a trail guide.

Anyone know anything about Portland? I've always had a bit of a dream to go there, and it would be an ideal stop over from SF to Vancouver.

mignonette Thu 01-Nov-12 08:35:21

It rains a lot in Portland but it's a youth filled vibrant city. Temperate rain forests in Oregon and Washington are magical. Seattle with it's Baimbridge Island ferry is exciting for kids plus they might like the Totem Poles and Native American museums/installations. Pike St Market is seriously fun albeit busy, busy, busy.

pointtopoint Thu 01-Nov-12 08:45:53

Excellent. Portland it is. Train times work well. We can take The coast starlight from SF to Portland and then Amtrak Cascades up to Vancouver.

In Vancouver, we will go to the aquarium.. and then take the train back to TOronto.. (OK, this is for me, but I really want to go to the CN tower before heading to the Niagara falls)

The timings I'm getting are 3 days and 13 hours (July '13)... I am not sure DD and I are really up for almost 4 days on a train... so will look to break it up by stopping somewhere along the way.

Someone said it earlier, but Canada really is HUGE, isn't it???? grin

pointtopoint Thu 01-Nov-12 08:54:38

Gruesome - do you have a site which would give me the times for the Canadian trains?

I'm looking at possible stop offs, but can't find times the train arrives at different stations?

Thankyou!!!

pointtopoint Thu 01-Nov-12 14:31:56

Gruesome - I found the times...

Where would you say is good to stop between Winnipeg and Toronto... with two kids?

GruesomewhereInCanada Thu 01-Nov-12 14:39:23

It was me that said Canada is huge smile.

I've not made it east of Alberta yet, so can't make any recommendations for places to visit. I'm out at a play date this morning with a lot of Canayjuns though, so will ask.

Sulfur Thu 01-Nov-12 14:42:42

viarail.ca is the official website of the Canadian railway.

It has timetables for the trains.

Do make sure you are pass by places you want to sight see during the day.

The Vancouver - Toronto train has so many stops, especially in Ontario, some as close as 4 minutes apart. No wonder it takes 4 days!

How long are you planning to spend on this trip and, if it's not too rude, what is your travel budget?

pointtopoint Thu 01-Nov-12 14:47:06

Overall, I think it's going to be around a month.

The plan (as it stands) is to head to NYC on 8th July and fly back to the UK around 2nd August.

This will see us spend time in:
NYC
Chicago
Glenwood Springs (never heard of this place, but it looks nice)
SF
Portland
Vancouver
Jasper
WInnipeg
(Somewhere in between Winnipeg and Toronto)
Toronto
Niagara Falls
NYC

Budget: I'm hoping for £6K but got a feeling it's going to be closer to £8K with about another £1K for spending money.

I am officially saving!!

pointtopoint Thu 01-Nov-12 14:51:45

AM really open to any other suggestions of where to stay and also of where to go in the places we are planning to stay over.

Sulfur Thu 01-Nov-12 15:15:36

Here is the schedule from Vancouver to Toronto.

If you want to get off the train between Winnipeg and Toronto, it looks like Winnipeg is your best bet. You can wiki the intermediate stations that you will pass through at reasonable times, but none of the are famous.

What do you want to do at each destination? One of the problems of travelling by train is that you are going from city to city to city. In a month long holiday, I woul expect that you would want a decent amount of time away from cities, eg in a resort or national park, where you can swim, kids can do camp, etc.

Personally, looking at your choice of cities, I think it would be a real shame not to go to Washington DC, which has a lot more to offer than, say, Chicago.

What do you anticipate doing in each city? You can only see so many aquaria, art galleries, and city parks.

I don't want to rain on your parade, but having lived in North America with small children, I know that cities are not their favourite destinations. They are great for adults who like culture and fine dining, but kids usually want to just run around.

I think your budget is pretty low for your plans and am assuming your transatlantic flights are not included. Train fares are high, and I suspect your plans exceed the Amtrak and Canada rail pass allowance. You need to also figure in sleepers and/or hotels, and the cost of eating on trains.

Fortunately, all the info is available on the web for you to make really sound plans smile

GruesomewhereInCanada Thu 01-Nov-12 15:20:01

Jasper - if you stay at one of the hotels on Connaught Drive, the rooms at the front will all overlook the railway. IIRC there is a hire car place in town, so you could drive out on the Icefield Parkway towards Banff.

pointtopoint Thu 01-Nov-12 15:24:51

Thanks Sulfur

I agree, I think adding Washington DC would be good. With less time at Chicago.

I'm planning central park in NY, plus the gereral sightseeing stuff...
Not sure about the middle bit.
SF - the beach, Alcatraz, Fishermans Wharf, trams
POrtland - not sure, but think it's quite a big open space
Vancouver - Aquarium
Toronto - CN tower
Niagara Falls - Err... Niagara falls

I think it's worth pointing out that the main reason for the trip is that my DS has HFA (AUtism). He doesn't get regular holidays. He does get trains. The trains will be the be all and end all of his holiday. I'll make sure DD has other stuff to do, and will leave enough time to plan decent stuff everywhere we stop.

I'm hoping I've allowed enough time to get feedback from those who know (like yourself! smile) on where to go and what to do. ANd to change plans accordingly. I'd like to get some space stuff in there too, as I think they would both enjoy that...

Budget doesn't include flights at the moment... I'm kind of ignoring that part of the trip, as that will be the one bit which is really stressful. DS hates flight. So I am doing on the only decent thing and ignoring grin

Sulfur Thu 01-Nov-12 15:36:45

For space stuff, then you should really make sure DC is on your list.

Smithsonian

Every North American city has an aquarium, btw, each better than the last smile

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