What is the best way to get out of paying CSA?

(44 Posts)
seaofyou Sat 24-Nov-12 19:57:38

My ex has not pay maintenance for many years and fled from the court orders twice last 12 months ago. As it is the anniversary of a year of not paying it spurred me to have a look how these fathers get out of paying maintenance!

It took me 3 minutes to find an internet site where a father asks

What is the best way to get out of paying CSA?

The first response....

kill her

Two simple words...first response!

there were several others saying to kill the mother too, one saying 'it's the only way!'

sad

I thought my ex was a rather unique Psychopathic Narcissist who left petrol bomb warnings and kicking my door in when he received a court letter or anything! I was wrong! I am so not alone and so sad this is the easy way for some sick bastards to get out of paying for their children!

Wonder if the deadbeat who wrote kill her was my ex?

I heard of a case where the XH paid phenomenal amounts into a pension scheme to avoid CSA. Nasty little man.

seaofyou Sat 24-Nov-12 20:05:17

Paypal is another way according to this site!

avenueone Sun 25-Nov-12 13:04:09

It doesn't seem too difficult to avoid paying without the need for murder - my ex has paid less than £300 in seven years...I am still alive for now.

Revelsarethebest Sun 25-Nov-12 18:37:39

Being self employed and claiming to only earn £90 a week seems to be a common thing.

OldLadyKnowsNothing Sun 25-Nov-12 18:44:03

On the plus side, if the "only way" to avoid the CSA is to bump off the ex (and that would be silly as then NRP would have to look after the dc and be responsible for all of their expenses) it must mean the CSA are a bit less shit than they used to be?

Sorry, sea, I know your situation is horrific, but most people who say "kill the ex" aren't going to mean it. Your ex is an exceptional tosser.

You can get away without paying anything by simply ignoring any correspondence from the CSA and pretending to be someone else when they phone.

angry

goralka Sun 25-Nov-12 18:47:57

or you can claim to be unemployed and work cash in hand, that's very popular.

Goralka's method also works very well!

goralka Sun 25-Nov-12 18:53:16

angry

difficultpickle Sun 25-Nov-12 19:05:48

My ex became self employed and is the only self employed plumber in Guildford (expensive part of the country) to live in a large house with a large mortgage and yet have a net income of £146 per week. Shame we aren't on better terms as most plumbers I know charge £200 a day.

Revelsarethebest Sun 25-Nov-12 19:16:28

bisjo

There are many self employed plumbers in Guildford as i run a national plumbing company and i contract work out to many self employed plumbers in that area.

OldLadyKnowsNothing Sun 25-Nov-12 19:25:05

I think bisjo's point was more about the large house etc on £146 a week; I'm sure most s/e plumbers earn more than that.

Snorbs Sun 25-Nov-12 19:25:07

Or you can do what my ex did which was to bounce between employment and benefits faster than the CSA could keep up.

difficultpickle Sun 25-Nov-12 20:12:27

Revel if you do contract out work where plumbers earn net £146 please pm me as in my area (not a million miles from Guildford) the going rate charged is £200 a day. If I can find one that charges £45 a day (net plus tax estimate) I would find jobs for them to do! This includes bathrooms etc not just leaky taps.

Maybe now you can see my point? grin

difficultpickle Sun 25-Nov-12 20:13:10

The honest plumbers I know earn £50,000+ pa.

fluffygal Sun 25-Nov-12 20:20:24

Can I say its not just fathers who get out of paying CSA? My SS's birthmum has never paid a penny and doesn't even see them! She gets out of it by never working a day in her life,having more kids by various dads then dumping those kids on the new dads too. She has now found a new idiot man who pays everything for her as she can now longer claim benefits due to commiting fraud.

OldLadyKnowsNothing Sun 25-Nov-12 20:20:31

<retrains as plumber>

difficultpickle Sun 25-Nov-12 20:25:14

OldLady it's tempting isn't it?! He used to do a very well paid job and his lifestyle hasn't changed at all since making the career change so I imagine that he earns more than the figure I gave for the honest ones I know.

maristella Sun 25-Nov-12 20:28:20

Oooh I have one: claim benefits and do work overseas angry It's worked a treat for wankstain XP

SoftKittyWarmKitty Sun 25-Nov-12 21:45:17

My ex has used a combination of QueenofFarkingEverything and Snorbs methods. They seem to have worked a treat. For him.

sanityseeker75 Mon 26-Nov-12 14:59:04

My EX P was paying the CSA through an attachment of earnings order and it took 4 years to pass those payments on to me because it was a manual payments system. They told me he wasn't paying but I saw the wage slips with deductions and his company showed me their payments to him. Then it was ok for about a year and started again this year 4 months no payment. I ended u offering him £15 a month deduction to pay straight in my bank and told CSA to shove it. They lie!

mampam Fri 30-Nov-12 13:08:53

Yes my ex has gone down the self employed route and apparently earns less than £5 per week.

What annoys me most is that exh and his wife are minted. They have 2 dcs together (which he obviously can afford) his wife has got an extremely well paid job that comes with a house and all bills are inclusive, they also have their own house which they rent out.
And just to add insult to injury he always manages to buy DC's an expensive present at Christmas but he can't possibly afford to pay a penny towards the important stuff like school uniforms, shoes etc angry

Bluepenny Mon 03-Dec-12 09:49:16

Should add in the moving abroad one too - I've just become another statistic of not receiving CM due to that.

grumpyinthemornings Mon 03-Dec-12 12:05:06

mampam, I have a similar situation, XP has a full-time job, his own house, can afford all sorts of fancy xmas and birthday presents for DS, plus running his car. Does he pay maintenance? Does he bollocks...

not all nrp do not pay... my exp paid over half his wage for his 3 dc from a prev relationship...but his xp was a complete nutter...with holding contact saying he had not paid her enough money and the dc wanted to punish daddy for leaving and not paying when he did... its not all 1 sided believe me. and now the git being an arse to me and my 2 dd...que sera sera ill provide for our dd instead x

kittycat68 Thu 13-Dec-12 09:21:43

fathers that dont pay child support are not fathers they are sperm donors in my book. Makes me sick how a father can take a mother to court continually for more contact residence orders prohibited steps orders etc claiming to only care about the childs best interests and how much they love them yet refuse to pay child support or rearrrange there finaces in order to only pay a few pounds a week.
Its an absolute disgrace. fathers for justice and the like should be ashamed of themselves for all the free solicitors they give to parents like these.

Helpforyou1 Thu 13-Dec-12 10:22:29

It should be simple..

50/50 starting point (like in Denmark ) therefore no CSA liability form neither parent… also all the benefits should be split between the parents..

Now if you don’t or can’t deliver 50% of the time, you should pay CSA to the other parent to “cover” the days you are not caring for your son..

sanityseeker in an old job I had, the company deducted the csa attachment from a non-compliant nrp but never paid it over to CSA (along with not paying employees tax & ni deductions either). The company eventually went bust and I doubt the poor woman who the csa was meant for ever saw a penny sad as it was never paid to CSA though I think it will remain as arrears.
The CSA don't 'pay' anything themselves (and nor should they) they simply hand over payments received from nrps. It takes the NRP and/or the Employer to comply for the system to work. Ther are many many employers also, who are only too willing to help the NRPs avoid making the payments. Utter twats.

BertieBotts Thu 13-Dec-12 11:34:45

Nice. That's a chilling thought isn't it? shock

sanityseeker75 Thu 13-Dec-12 13:02:51

MissKeithLemon I agree that this does happen but in the end the CSA admitted it was because I was on manual payment system and that basically meant that someone had to actually sit there and see if payment came in the physically pay out to me and they admitted they did not have resources to do this and that is why I hadn't had money.

On a separate note my DH pays CSA to his ex and they phoned us whilst on holiday with the kids saying that they hadn't received payment and if we did not give bank details there and then they would put him on attachment of earnings - he had always paid by standing order and then because he gave details he ended up making two payments and they refused to pay back over payment. I know some people will go to any lengths to not pay and I find this shocking but CSA are also guilty of not being completely honest also sad

Ok sanityseeker I see. Thats bloody shocking shock. Have you thought about some sort of claim for interest while they were witholding your money? Just a thought.
I'm no fan of the CSA btw, took me over ten years to get a penny for dd via the CSA. To be fair I never actively persued it for years, but still a bit rubbish on their part nonetheless. Still took nearly two years when I did persue it and that was phoning all the time, providing them with info re addresses and employer etc. I knew that he had a decent job with a large national by then though and the attachment of earnings order has so far been working for over a year now.

Bertie its shit isn't it? I have a friend who's ex works for his family firm. They are part of the ruse to pretend he earns bugger all and shaft his own children

Basically an NRP can duck and dive for years on end if they feel like it. I have been told that arrears never disappear though, so its worth keeping claims open in the hope that one day it catches up with them. I read a thread on MSE site once where a lady was receiving hefty maintenance payments for children that were well into their twenties by that time! Iirc she was using the money to buy frivolous luxuries and the like as a big up yours to the Ex paying it grin

Lookingatclaus Thu 13-Dec-12 13:37:38

I have an ex like mampam's too. He refuses to pay maintenance, and even refused to get dd some Calpol the other night claiming he didn't have £3 for it. She's getting a Kindle for Christmas though hmm. Still, I'm grateful that she is at least getting a gift from him this year as she hasn't for 2 years or for her birthday this year.

kittycat68 Thu 13-Dec-12 15:36:20

my ex bought a gift for two of the children but not the third (all his kids) last year for xmas cant wait to see what happens this year (not!)!!

BluebellBangles Fri 14-Dec-12 11:43:54

Ignore all letters and phone calls, and when they eventually track you down (or your ex manages to track you down and inform the CSA as you post all your work details on Facebook hmm) and contact your employer you simply need to just quit your job and either sign on for a while or work somewhere else and the cycle starts all over again.

iwantanafternoonnap Fri 14-Dec-12 15:32:54

Does anyone know if they manage to get hold of people if you don't know their address, phone number or email? My ex is in the Army and I don't know where he lives but do know that he gets a pay rise every year and so I want to make sure I get an increase to. I know I am lucky to get anything and it now comes straight out of his wages as he kept messing about but I want to annoy him by getting it increased when his pay goes up every year.

CatchingMockingbirds Fri 14-Dec-12 17:40:07

If it comes off his wages then wouldn't it just automatically be increased with his wage increase?

CheungFun Fri 14-Dec-12 17:42:16

It is totally depressing :-( my Dad used to claim benefits and work on the side so he never paid a pennies maintenance. Arsehole!

iwantanafternoonnap Fri 14-Dec-12 18:08:39

catching that is what I thought but the CSA said I have to request to have it recalculated every year and to do it in August when he has to give the last 3 months so all three show on it. Which will be a pain but worth it even for a few pennies as it will annoy him no end...yep still a tad bitter that he has walked away and only gives what he has too while always boasting about holidays on facebook (one mutual friend on facebook) He is on his 4th 5* holiday this year and that doesn't include the weekends away!!

However, I know no amount of holidays can really make up for losing out on your childs life and one day it will bite him in the fecking arse and it'll be too late to come back into DS life.

CatchingMockingbirds Fri 14-Dec-12 18:55:39

Sounds like my ex angry

InNeedOfBrandyButter Fri 14-Dec-12 19:12:47

iwantanafternoonnap contact the army with his sull name, regiment and number if you have it. They should sort it out for you and pay you direct before paying him.

trustissues75 Wed 02-Jan-13 11:50:57

Easy

trustissues75 Wed 02-Jan-13 11:52:03

Quit your job, move to America, refuse to pay maintenance until RP puts dc

trustissues75 Wed 02-Jan-13 12:51:10

Bloody phone...

Puts dc on plane to states, lie to judge saying rp kidnapped child and apply for full custody and removal if child to united states thus terrifying the hell out of abandoned patent who has no money to fight...job done.

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