Should we move to Victoria (Oz)?

(106 Posts)
kerloch Thu 12-Dec-13 09:30:15

To go or not to go......

We have had a visa (skilled migrant) for a while but decided Australia was too expensive and we would be downgrading not upgrading if we left the UK fsmile. But DH is fed up with his job and needs a change and so we are now thinking of it seriously again.

Friends who went out there a few years ago have just come back though saying the skilled migrant visa has changed and now they have to pay more taxes, school fees etc. They said it was totally unaffordable. I wondered if anyone was in that situation over in Oz and could share their words of wisdom!

kerloch Sat 14-Dec-13 20:52:56

...does this mean everyone has left? fconfused

chloeb2002 Sun 15-Dec-13 09:30:19

Not in Vic. We are in sunny qld. It seems at the moment mumsnet has become a bit if a lets slate living in aus. So less traffic I suspect.we love it. Will not ever move back to the uk. Skilled migrant, as pr I guess. So the same taxes and school fees etc as any one else here. Not higher no difference. The differences lie with temp res. sponsored visas. Just cant claim some stuff. The upshot is what do you want to gain by moving. Some stuff is more expensive. Some stuff is cheaper some is more expensive. I think our family gain in many ways living here. Close to Brisbane but on 5 acres. 10 mins to white beaches. Loads of sports all achievable not stupidly expensive. Lots of special needs support for number 2 child. Great friends and we are very settled. Yes I miss my uk friends but they keep in touch although there's no doubt that planes fly one way phones work one way.. Quite often!
If you want a change... Aus is not the UK. If you accept things are different.. If your flexible and willing to change .. If where you are looking at going is going to provide what you need and want.. All the questions to ask. I'm sure the anti aus crew will be along soon! Good luck either way! grin

I used to live in Melbourne and I loved it. But the property prices have shot up so much that I'm not sure we would have as good standard of living over there as we do now.

differentnameforthis Mon 16-Dec-13 00:20:47

Everyone in Australia pays schools fees, state schools aren't free here, so that isn't exclusive to skilled visa holders. Some schools even ask you to purchase exercise books etc.

It depends where you go. We are better off here. We have a (rented) property with LOTS of outdoor space.

It isn't totally unaffordable, otherwise there would be a huge rate of poverty. Lots of things vary by state, like Sydney, Melbourne etc are more expensive for housing, etc.

But I know that we would not have the life we have in the UK if we moved back (am currently a SAHM), so in that respect WE are better off here. At least for now.

CadleCrap Mon 16-Dec-13 09:13:22

I have been in Vic for nearly 2 years on a skilled migrant visa and I pay the same taxes etc as a citizenT the school "fees" were about $300 for DS in yr 1. BUT I get $405 school grant. We also get the equivalent of child support - to the tune of a few hundred a month.

We do not live in Melbourne and have a higher standard of living that in UK and about the same disposable income, despite DH not working as he did in UK (SAHD)

We won't be returning to UK grin

kerloch Mon 16-Dec-13 18:09:02

Oh nice to hear some positive things. Melbourne seems very expensive though and we are sponsored so have no choice but to settle there. Do you find the health service expensive compared to UK?

CadleCrap Mon 16-Dec-13 21:10:18

What do you do? Do you have to be in the city?There is A LOT more to Vic than Melbourne!

We are entitled to medicare and if you find a who bulk bills, it costs nothing. We do not have private. Dentists are expensive though. If the doctor doesn't bulk bill, it costs about $30 (if including medicare)$70 iif you don't get medicare.

BonzaBlue Tue 17-Dec-13 00:24:21

We haven't paid school fees for the primary school I send my son too. We pay a once off $100 or so for high school that my daughter goes to, plus her school books. So I guess we are lucky.
We are in NSW and won't be returning to the UK. Just went for a walk on the beach as I needed a pause in the festive period madness.

arfishy Tue 17-Dec-13 00:53:05

Cadlecrap - how are you getting the grant?

Kerloch - will you be coming over on a 457 visa? If your employer offers salary sacrifice or FBT you can recover 50% of the costs of education, flights, laptops, professional memberships, phones, internet, somewhat randomly airline lounge plan memberships and some others which escape me at the moment. That helps and it's something that people don't know about.

What may have changed since you last looked at migration is the LAFHA, living away from home allowance which would have let you recover 50% of your rent and living costs. It really hurt when that was abolished!

If you are from the UK then there is a reciprocal health care agreement which means you are eligible for medicare and so you can access free health care. You will have to pay for prescriptions/dental/optical etc though. I have private health cover too as there is a tax if you don't have it which is greater than the cost of the cover IYKWIM.

I'm in Sydney and have found things getting increasingly expensive, especially with the loss of the LAFHA. I've adjusted by being more careful really, I've cut out things that are wasteful - for example my weekly grocery bill is around $150 and I don't really buy much processed or out of season food. I don't really buy "stuff" and I often find it's cheaper to shop in the UK and ship - M&S for example has free shipping to Australia and the book depository also ships free to Australia and can save about 50%.

You can take a look at house prices on to get an idea of costs. There's also another thread in Living Overseas where people in Australia outlined their monthly expenses.

Car ownership is expensive if you are here on a visa, your payments have to be structured within the visa term, so can be high. I managed without one for the first few years but then had to get one for the school run. Leasing used to be quite tax efficient but they've clamped down on that one too.

In considering whether to return to the UK I decided that we do have a better quality of life here. DD's school is amazing (albeit cripplingly expensive) and she has a great outdoor lifestyle (she sails twice a week, swims daily, has swim sqad training and diving lessons). We'll spend New Years Eve watching the fireworks on the beach and Christmas Day eating in the garden.

hazchem Tue 17-Dec-13 03:11:30

Just wanted to say add my two cents.

Do you mean Melbourne or would you consider regional/rural Victoria? I ask because they can be pretty amazing places to live and might have a lower cost of living. For example not most peoples first choice but I have a real love of Mildura. It's vastly different to England. It's hot and remote and flat with a giant river coursing though it which means there is some of the most amazing food and wine in Australia. It has flights daily to Melbourne but it's only 6 or 7 hours drive Mildura It has a great art gallery and good arts festival which has good quality local, national and international recognized acts. It has lots of schools, including private but also has a Turkish school and a Koori school. I've found the community welcoming, engaging, and supportive. It's on the edge of some of the most interesting and important landscapes in Australia.

I'm not saying you have to move to Mildura but if your visa is for Victoria I would really look at some of the towns and cities. Bendigo, Ballarat, Portland, Warnambool, Geelong, Daylesford, or Wadonga.

Australia is so much more the it's capital cities.

CadleCrap Tue 17-Dec-13 08:48:41

arfishy how are you getting the grant? - I filled in a form, they gave me the grant! grin

chloeb2002 Tue 17-Dec-13 09:22:50

The education grant is the means tested one for school expenses.. Books, uniforms, etc However.. I just got a nice $700 bonus called the conveyance allowance. Not means tested.. It's for driving the kids to school! Lovely! Next year it will be $1600 as the school they go to next year is further away. In addition we get the special needs independent schools transport assistance. It will be another $1500 for the year. ThAts private fees for one child paid for.., thanks!

chloeb2002 Tue 17-Dec-13 09:22:55

The education grant is the means tested one for school expenses.. Books, uniforms, etc However.. I just got a nice $700 bonus called the conveyance allowance. Not means tested.. It's for driving the kids to school! Lovely! Next year it will be $1600 as the school they go to next year is further away. In addition we get the special needs independent schools transport assistance. It will be another $1500 for the year. ThAts private fees for one child paid for.., thanks!

arfishy Tue 17-Dec-13 09:31:49

Cadlecrap - I wasn't sure which visa you were on as 457 visa holders don't get any benefits at all and skilled migration visa seemed to be the 457. I don't get anything at all, just seem to pay out!

ChloeB you have PR don't you? Conveyance allowance sounds great. I only have a car for the school run - costs a fortune.

CadleCrap Tue 17-Dec-13 09:35:54

arfishy I'm on a 176 which gives me PR and so the benfits of PR

chloeb2002 Tue 17-Dec-13 22:14:47

Yes.. We have pr. Conveyance allowance pays you to take the kids to school! By your own car.. Public transport.. Which ever you choose combination of all! Great find. There is nothing I can find in the blurb about needing pr however. Just live more than 4.5 km from school.

arfishy Tue 17-Dec-13 22:17:19

Aha, that makes sense. I was wondering if somehow I'd missed a trick and could have been claiming something. Sadly not.

CadleCrap Wed 18-Dec-13 01:48:20

OP - from all of this I can gather that it makes a REAL difference what visa you have. Things seem to be harder (soory Arfishy sad) for 457 visa.

arfishy Wed 18-Dec-13 03:03:58

Yes, it's annoying being on a 457 (although I'm grateful to be here), little things like having to pay international fees for DD's school and my MBA and the constant insinuations that 457 visa holders are somehow rorting the system (how???)

I'm going to do such a happy dance if we ever get PR. Everything will change massively for us.

CrystalDeCanter Wed 18-Dec-13 03:50:20

Arfishy haven't you been here years? How long do you need to be here before you can get PR? I thought it was 4 - is it longer??

arfishy Wed 18-Dec-13 04:15:51

HaHa yes, coming up to 9 years. We had 3 attempts at PR through employers, each taking 2 years and each time the company folded before the time was up. We're on another 2 year wait with another sponsoring company after we tried to go for independent PR but I was classified under a skill which was only needed in Regional Austraila - but 6 months ago it was all of Australia grrr.

If this latest one fails then we'll have to take the regional route.

I'm also talking about sponsorship with employers. We'll get there in the end and if we don't then we'll settle somewhere in Europe.

In the meantime I am becoming an expert of 457 visas grin

glastocat Wed 18-Dec-13 04:23:35

Wow arfishy that makes me feel very guilty and grateful to have got PR before I got here, as my husband was born in Oz ( before his folks ping ponged back to Ireland). I have just had a heartbroken friend go back to Blighty due to visa issues, so I do know how lucky I am, PR definitely brings great benefits. I don't know anything about Melbourne as I am in Perth, but we love it here, so good luck if you do decide to make the move.

CadleCrap Wed 18-Dec-13 06:26:56

arfishy you have probably already looked at this but do you know that the points system has changed for skilled migration (with pr). It is now 60 instead of 120 points and seems more weighted towards experience, English speaking and age.

Good luck!

arfishy Wed 18-Dec-13 07:44:30

Yes I did, sadly my age is starting to lose me points but I just make the 60. The main problem is the skills assessment - I went to be assessed on one of the skills in the consolidated list but it came back with a different one which was only possible in Victoria I think. I'm trying to avoid relocating but obviously if my current attempt at PR through employer sponsorship then I would move state if necessary.

CadleCrap Wed 18-Dec-13 12:01:41

sad afishy. Surely the fact that you have been gainfully employed for 9 years will give your application some credence. I wish you well. You have been here longer than me and I would hate to leave.

Seems like the Op has given up

chloeb2002 Wed 18-Dec-13 14:56:01

Arfishy.., the conveyance allowance is available on a 457. It's not income or status based. The school allowance is also available on a 457 if you get family part a. Which you can only get if only one person works and income is less than a certain amount. We started life in a 457.

arfishy Thu 19-Dec-13 02:59:33

shock We are over 4.5km away. There must be something to qualify surely?

Aha found it. We're not eligibile because there's a bus stop right outside our house! There has to be no public transport fwithin 1.6km.

It was close though and I've learned something, thank you!

Mosman Thu 19-Dec-13 08:22:45

You don't get a sausage on 457, honestly Chloe I wish you would understand that - the 457 is no better than being a tourist for 4 years, you get nothing.

Mosman Thu 19-Dec-13 08:24:24

You couldn't possibly get part A on a 457 because you're not entitled to anything at all from the government.

chloeb2002 Thu 19-Dec-13 20:00:03

Arfishy.. That's sad.. I thought you could choose how to get there.. We have a school bus service that goes from the door. But we get paid to drive to school as the form asks how you get them there. Up until October 2012 family part b was available on a 457 and the childcare rebate could be claimed back via tax ( this has changed too) However very few expats live on less than 60k a year. So wouldn't have qualified anyway. We had one month where we did. We were on a 457 for nearly 3 years. I have noticed little difference done we have been on pr. We still get nothing from the government. Pay our school fees... So the conveyance allowance is great! wink

kerloch Thu 19-Dec-13 21:11:17

arfishy You have so made my day by telling me M&S ship to Oz.

Can I ask - what do you mean by: If your employer offers salary sacrifice or FBT you can recover 50% of the costs of education, flights, laptops, professional memberships, phones, internet, somewhat randomly airline lounge plan memberships and some others which escape me at the moment.

Is this something you request off employers?

kerloch Thu 19-Dec-13 21:13:48

hazchem to be honest we just assumed DH would only get work in Melbourne. He is v senior finance and every agent he spoke to a few years ago said you have to be in the CBD. Would love not to be in the centre of a city. Is it mega cheap out in the country or just a bit cheaper?

arfishy Thu 19-Dec-13 22:37:08

It looks like M&S are actually opening a store here next year!!! And H&M.

Kerloch, yes, your employer has to do it for you so you would need to negotiate it in. I use a payroll company who act as my employer called CXC. They process it for me, so whenever I pay school fees I fill in a form with the receipt and then I get 50% of that back in tax reduction in my next pay. The same applies with any flights I take plus I can claim back one mobile and one computer per year. This covers relocation costs too.

I can also claim expenses, which again reduces the tax I pay.

More info here:

You can ask your employer to do this for you - it will save you heaps and also offset the cost of education.

hazchem Fri 20-Dec-13 01:36:47

Yes the country is much much cheaper. For example

geelong 4 bed rental $400 or Ballarat 4 bed rental $350 or Mildura 4 bed rental $300 compared to melbourne 4 bed rental $900

Geelong or Ballarat may have some financial jobs I think geelong is the more likely although with the car industry pulling out not sure. He might have skills into say Executive level Public Service which would have some roles in those cities too. I'm not sure about Mildura but then they might need a CFO in a winnery which surely would have perks too. Mildura isn't communtable for Melbourne but both Geelong and Ballarat are.

ben5 Fri 20-Dec-13 01:57:49

We are in WA and love it. School fees depend on your visa. We came over as PR's and 4 years later we are all Aussies !! We even have Aussie passportsgrin some things are more expensive some less so. Are quality of life is much better. Remember you are being paid Aussie dollars and not pounds so stop converting ASAP and it's at that stage it becomes easier

chloeb2002 Fri 20-Dec-13 04:38:40

Well said Ben 5... wine grin

We get our citizenship on Australia Day.. Then passports too.

Arfishy! I love salary sacrifice! It's a gift. even have a novated lease car! We use remserv. Lots of ss companies out there.

Mosman Fri 20-Dec-13 05:15:17

WA is going to have 5 million people living there by 2015 and all the reasons people love living there may well be about to disappear.
Tax breaks are going, all the lovely child related hands outs, basically it's going to be in the same boat as the uk due to the deficit

kerloch Fri 20-Dec-13 18:19:54

arfishy what kind of visa are you on or does it matter? hazchem what a difference in prices. 2 years ago we looked at rental in the city and we were shown houses at $1k a week!

kerloch Fri 20-Dec-13 18:21:55

Another quick question - how long does it take to get to the CBD from Ballarat?

hazchem Fri 20-Dec-13 20:04:48

kerloch about 1 hour 20min. have a look at vline for prices etc. Rail pricing is much simplier in OZ. If you are considering commuting also have a look at ballan. It's tiny but lovely 3 bed rental $240 It has a primary school but I think you need to go to ballarat for high school. Has a small supermarket but would need to drive/train to ballarat for proper grocery shopping. You could look at baccus marsh too.

hazchem Fri 20-Dec-13 20:06:25

Opps and I could have shown you $1k plus homes but thought the $900 was nicer with more character smile and along the lines of the other homes.
Oh and if you do choose Ballarat you want Ballarat East to be close to the train station.

hazchem Fri 20-Dec-13 20:09:02

mosman I think Oz is going down the same route as UK because we now have a bunch of neo liberals incompetents in charge.

arfishy Fri 20-Dec-13 21:41:00

We're on a 457 visa Kerloch and yes, the type matters.

Sydney prices are madness but I've found myself much less of a consumer than I was in the UK. We still have a better quality of life here and I'm a much more conscious shopper - shopping seasonally/from overseas/planning. In the UK, even 9 years ago I could easily spend GBP400 in the supermarket. I barely get to $100 a week here now.

Mosman Sat 21-Dec-13 00:05:40

I find it the other way around in that my weekly shop in 2011 was £150 a week for six including nappies. $400 a week barely touches the sides I'm constantly having to top up, however I don't waste as much ... Can't afford to.
Still prefer Austealia though there's no getting away from it, but do come with your eyes open.

arfishy Sat 21-Dec-13 00:56:10

Yes, I've had to change my behaviour to do that, so I adapted to Australia and didn't act as I had done in the UK. At home I'd spend lots on M&S and Waitrose food here I'm quite happy to shop in Aldi for example. I never buy books and magazines and to be fair my GBP400 would have included nappies which I don't need any more.

I've been here for so long now though I guess I don't have much of a barometer for the costs in the UK though but I'm certain supermarket food is much cheaper than here. I used to fling stuff into my trolley with abandon at home, here I learned a lesson pretty sharply after I flung three punnets of out of season raspberries in my basket in the David Jones food hall of all places. Didn't make that mistake again!

CadleCrap Sat 21-Dec-13 01:02:46

Got to love Aldi!!

arfishy Sat 21-Dec-13 02:22:28

Aldi is brilliant and the quality is very good. I did join Costco but bought loads of stuff that I didn't need (root beer ffs) so I didn't end up saving money at all. And it's impossible to get through a catering tub of Vegemite before it reaches is sell by date hmm

hazchem Sat 21-Dec-13 04:34:33

arfishy I'm having palpations at thee thought of how much those strawberries costsmile
Do you guys find meat cheaper in OZ? I think that it is cheaper and that the cheaper meat is a better quality then cheap meat in the uk. But I might just be imagining it. Cheese is pricer here and I also think that ready meals are loads more expensive here.

Mosman Sat 21-Dec-13 05:16:21

Ha ha ... Er no I don't find meat cheaper ....$30 per kg for steak considering all the beef farmers in WA, day light robbery

Mosman Sat 21-Dec-13 05:18:32

I think a move to Melbourne might be on the cards ... I love Costco and aldi and if they won't come to me

hazchem Sat 21-Dec-13 07:54:37

Couldn't help myself so did a quick comparison
Tesco organic sirlion steak £22/kilo or $40/kilo
Coles organic porterhouse steak $ 31/kilo

Or you can get Coles budget rump steak $13/kilo and australian beef is routinely given antibiotics.

Mosman Sat 21-Dec-13 09:39:16

Well that's worth knowing :-)

hazchem Sat 21-Dec-13 20:41:47

When will I learn to proof read before posting.

Australian beef isn't routinely given antibiotics. You miss a couple of letters and all of a sudden the Australian cattle market is plunged into crisis smile

kerloch Sat 21-Dec-13 20:42:09

Luckily I'm a vegetarian but I do like strawberries LOL.

Mosman Sat 21-Dec-13 22:25:15

I'm going to try growing strawberries next summer, we have grapes and a lemon try already to make wine and gin and tonics hic hic

BonzaBlue Sun 22-Dec-13 04:02:32

We have strawberries, they grow like weeds in my garden, have a bowl of strawberries a day. Well if my toddler would let me eat them! Also have two blueberry bushes and one raspberry bush, plus trees I gave grown avocado, apricot, lemon etc love my garden here.

hazchem Sun 22-Dec-13 06:04:33

Wow Bonza that sounds amazingsmile

Mosman Sun 22-Dec-13 06:10:10

I bet she's in the uk lol
Giggle PM me sounds like we should have a wine or two pun intended :-)

saffronwblue Sun 22-Dec-13 06:14:31

I think it is really nice for DC to eat seasonally. We love it when the cherries, mangoes and watermelons etc come in but would not expect to eat them at the other times of the year.
OP if your husband is senior in finance, then his work is most likely to be in CBD. Ballarat is very much a separate small city - I think you would be better off living in Melbourne than having someone commute so far each day. Not sure what your budget is but here is a lovely house in Fairfield, near the river

Here is another lovely one in Ascot Vale, about 5 k from the CBD

BonzaBlue Sun 22-Dec-13 09:39:43

Nope not in the UK, on the Central Coast, NSW. Been here four years.

Just frozen a batch of basil, cherry tomatoes and green beans.

CadleCrap Sun 22-Dec-13 11:13:13

OP -what visa do you have? On mine, buried in the small print, there was a little clause stating that we had to have arrived (not necessarily to stay) in the country by a certain date, even although the vise a "valid" for 5 years.

When we moved into our last rental, the passion fruit vine in the garden was amazing. The kids were having 4 or 5 a day each, I froze a heap and still had enough to give away to staff at work.

kerloch Sun 22-Dec-13 17:19:44

saffron are those weekly prices.

kerloch Sun 22-Dec-13 17:30:41

Also can anyone tell me what Ballarat is like - is there employment? Is it a nice place to live? I hadn't really thought beyond living in Melbourne.

arfishy Sun 22-Dec-13 20:58:47

Kerloch - yes, houses are listed with weekly rentals, so you'd need to multiply by 52 and divide by 12 to get the pcm price. They'll usually also be unfurnished.

hazchem Fri 27-Dec-13 05:10:08

kerloch I have a soft spot for Ballaratsmile It's a bit rough round the edges but has a good heart. It's pretty working class. It has had a Labour Member in the house of reps since 2001.
It has a multi campus university. Which was called University of Ballarat but is amalgamating to become Federation University. The uni has an arts school (performing and fine) right in the center of town. It also has the School of Mines, which is technical education but is older then the unismile
It has a great live music scene, a wonderful art gallery, good dinning options, is a stones throw from several spa towns, has a cinema, has several theater and loads of pubs smile Oh and excellent charity shops! It has an amazing flower festival.

Not sure about employment but maybe have a look at the ballarat courier

Things I don't love about Ballarat. It's cold. Really pretty darn cold and grey. I found I had to have at least a week away during winter to cope with it's grey wetness. It can be a bit parochial. When I went to the Arts school the reception women had famously never been to Melbourne because "why would you need too?"
Oh and it's inland so not the aussie beach.

cleofatra Sat 28-Dec-13 01:37:40

chloeb2002 I would love to know what suburb you live in. We are looking for acreage just outside Brisbane and close enough to decent schools as well.

kerloch Sat 28-Dec-13 18:24:03

hazchem sounds like a place to visit rather than live maybe? grin

hazchem Sat 28-Dec-13 20:09:56

Kerloch either really. I've lived there twice once when I was small then I spent 3 years there as an adult. Also had a stint for 6 weeks doing a contract there recently. That being said Melbourne is a great place to live too. I guess I was just trying to widen views as I think people from O/S forget Australia is really very large and full of lots and lots of different cities with their own unique character that might be a better fit for a family then just a capital city.

kerloch Sun 29-Dec-13 22:15:47

Would all you mums netters living in Oz, say the economy is quite buoyant at the moment?

chloeb2002 Mon 30-Dec-13 20:12:09

It certainly isn't or hasn't been through the same crash as the uk. It's well supported by mining and tourism. The dollar recently has fallen against the pound. It has been flying high! There has been some turbulence with political changes and this should settle down. I think all in all the economy is in fair shape. I don't think anywhere is amazing at the moment! wink

cleofatra Mon 30-Dec-13 22:32:40

I haved found the job situation is poor but people seem to be spending (things cost so much here). The economy must be ok in general I guess.

saffronwblue Mon 30-Dec-13 22:52:33

The manufacturing sector is wrecked with lots of job losses in the auto industry. There have also been lots of jobs lost from professional service firms, government, and universities. There are jobs around but can take a while to find. We have china buying much of our mineral resources which gives Australia a good if finite income stream.

cleofatra Mon 30-Dec-13 22:53:47

Yes, in Qld we lost all of the jobs for my profession in education and Qld Health, Not so good.

kerloch Mon 30-Dec-13 22:56:14

Ooh, doesn't sound so good. DH would have to give up v lucrative job here and cross fingers to find one in Oz. Am a bit worried confused

cleofatra Mon 30-Dec-13 22:58:53

My top tip is get a job first.
We have really been struggling and I was on a £45K job in UK before we left. It took dh 6 months to get anything and he only has a causal 21 hrs a week. I just finished a 16 hrs a week job and am unemployed again.

hazchem Mon 30-Dec-13 23:31:02

I think if you want to live a comparable or better lifestyle you'd be wise to find a job first.
It took OH 7 months to find work and it's still not in his field. We are doing OK and on the whole our lifestyle is similar to the UK but on a smaller income. The main difference is we eat out far less here as a way to economize.

I'm appalled at some of the current governments policies. I think they will fundamentally change some of the good things about Australia and they might be hard to repeal. That said Neo Liberal ideas of economy are probably better for work in finance then the line of work I'm in community and the arts.

But as the add says you never never know if you never never go smile

cleofatra Mon 30-Dec-13 23:33:11

We would never have survived without a big pot of money behind us.

cleofatra Mon 30-Dec-13 23:33:55

oh, and free rent for 6 months was a great help.

chloeb2002 Tue 31-Dec-13 10:00:20

Definitely you need a job first! No point moving to one area if aus to find you can get a job in another with a better standard of living! Yes.. As cleofatra says... Avoid education and qld health... Well qld health predominantly offer only offer contract positions now. I am hanging onto my "permanent " position with grim death!

kerloch Wed 01-Jan-14 19:23:44

God doesn't sound promising! DH has a very very long notice period so would have no choice but to resign before he could look for work. Noone in their right mind, let alone the other side of the world, would offer him a job and then wait around for so long. It is such a gamble and I'm not sure which way to jump. So keen to give it a try but we have to go to Vic so we are very limited in job choices.

cleofatra Wed 01-Jan-14 22:26:11

Yes, I had a 3 month notice period but if you decide to go, you need to choose a date anyway and resign prior to that to sort things. Just apply with the arrival date in mind.

chloeb2002 Thu 02-Jan-14 05:24:10

My husbands company happily waiting 4 months for him to start. If the occupation is in demand there will be no issue waiting!

arfishy Thu 02-Jan-14 08:02:08

Which industry is he in Kerloch? If you have a look at you'll see job listings, which might help you gauge demand. However, I've found in my industry (IT) that online applications don't work. Word is that the recruiters, who are even less ethical than the ones in the UK, primarily invent jobs to harvest CVs. Recruiters find me either in their databases months later on a keyword search, or approach me via linkedin.

You might find that if you change his location in LinkedIn and on his CV (which you should start to circulate) to Sydney/Melbourne, really make his online LinkedIn profile amazing - keywords, all profile completed, key achievements - that the work will come to you. I guess this does rather depend on the line of work, but I get a few approaches directly from employers each month, yet my particular skill isn't on the Governments Critical Skills list (or whatever its called now).

If you do get contacted by an employer who has specifically targeted you then they are much more likely to tolerate a long notice period, especially if it is common in his line of work.

Reddeb Thu 02-Jan-14 22:08:21

Yes my dh approached via LinkedIn and then offered job, he had a long notice period and they were more than happy to wait.

kerloch Fri 03-Jan-14 13:50:19

DH is a Director of a big corporation and has 8 months notice - so I mean it is REALLY long. I think your ideas about Linkedin are really great and I hadn't thought of them though of course he has to be careful because unless he has told his company people are going to notice. Do you know how they search key words?

kerloch Fri 03-Jan-14 13:56:50

arfishy we have been monitoring but none of the jobs in his field seem to offer his type of pay. Are there any other good websites? Headhunting agencies all say the notice is a problem.

He was actually flown out to Oz at the start of last year for a very promising role and he was the only candidate after SKYPE interviews, psychological tests etc but it transpired when he got to Melbourne that the agent had not told them about the notice (which he would have negotiated down to about 4 months). After a full day of interviews with the CEO, other Directors he mentioned it since they kept saying 'when you start next month' and DH was confused. He said they went instantly cold. Next day feedback, hasn't got the job because 'he didn't seem that keen'. DH had only just flown all the way to bloody Melbourne, taken four days annual leave over my son's birthday and yet he 'wasn't keen' shock. Agent was v sheepish and DH was furious. Not a sniff of a job since.

chloeb2002 Sat 04-Jan-14 04:35:41

That's rubbish! I guess he will have to give his 4 months notice and get on the job hunt trail! Hopefully that way you will get one before you leave? I think it gets harder to emigrate the more specialised and therefore potentially less in demand you are.
My dh is lucky as he is in i.t and I am a nurse so always jobs a plenty!
I think it may be hard if there's not many positions and no way to break his contractual agreement with his current employer.

saffronwblue Tue 07-Jan-14 03:01:59

Kerloch that is a dreadful story. I suggest he really beefs up his linkedin profile and uses phrases like seeking opportunities as headhunters trawl for these phrases.

kerloch Tue 07-Jan-14 13:59:05

Ok I am going to see what I can do with his linked in profile. Do they search the intro section?

Reddeb Wed 08-Jan-14 18:52:10

My dhs new employer have waited over 6 months for him! I think we've been v lucky.

Degustibusnonestdisputandem Thu 09-Jan-14 07:24:33

I'm actually from western Victoria, & know it very well indeed! We are intending to move to Ballarat and build a home there in 4 years or so (well that's the idea at the moment!). It's likely though that I may have to commute to a job in Melbourne, though I have family there to stay with mid week if necessary. The visa stuff I have read a bit about on the poms in oz forums; the 457 restrictions seem quite ridiculous. One thing I will say though, is that the states are all quite different (it was a bit of a culture shock going to Queensland for the first time with my English husband & in laws!)

kerloch Sat 11-Jan-14 22:16:07

Decided tonight to go for it. Unless the economy goes downhill. But won't probably go until the end of the year. Does anyone know about Melbourne Schools?

echt Sun 12-Jan-14 06:23:39

Primary/secondary? Government/ private?

What suburb?

This is a very big question.

saffronwblue Sun 12-Jan-14 07:28:41

I would keep a good eye on the Australian economy. It is very vulnerable to the Chinese economy and is also in a fever of conservative governments cutting education, health, government jobs and universities. I currently have one child in a private school and one in a state school in Melbourne.

kerloch Sun 12-Jan-14 15:43:55

Well I'm thinking independent or grammar (does such a thing exist). Since I think currently we'll start having to commute to the CBD - I suppose any suburb will do.

echt Sun 12-Jan-14 22:18:17

There are tons of private schools; some very selective academically, some not. State primaries seem good, though I'd avoid the ones with mixed year groups. State secondary varies. Some of the most high-acheving have strict zones and very expensive housing as a consequence.

Some secondaries have form for, ahem, encouraging students to move on at the end of Year 10, before the exam years begin.

saffronwblue Sun 12-Jan-14 22:28:47

Example boys elite private school, fees up to $27,000 per year

example state secondary with great reputation and tight zone

example inner city state primary with good reputation

There is huge variation between Melbourne suburbs as to socioeconomic level, ethnic diversity, quality of schooling and community facilities.

kerloch Mon 13-Jan-14 20:14:19

Thanks that's really helpful. Are there any selective state schools over in VIC? DS is very bright and I don't want him to slip educationally.

I myself was educated for some senior years in WA and I've got to say the education was leagues behind the UK (it was an apparently good state hit school shock). But that was a long time time ago so things may have changed but I am a bit averse to the Australian state sector because of it.

kerloch Mon 13-Jan-14 20:15:28

PS what would you say are good suburbs - commutable but green and pleasant? I remember driving through Kew which seemed nice but was bounded by big roads. Maybe further out is better?

kerloch Mon 20-Jan-14 16:59:59

Well have been in touch with Melbourne Grammar and DS1 is going to sit their entrance exams. Are there any other good schools in Vic that anyone can recommend. I looked at Balwyn too (thanks saffron) but I guess we'd have to live in that area to get in.

saffronwblue Mon 20-Jan-14 20:18:40

Other comparable schools to Melbourne Grammar are Wesley, Scotch, Carey, St Michaels, Brighton Grammar. All very strong academically with great music programs, lots of sport, strong history and traditions and usually rather wealthy parents as the fees are challenging to say the least.

In the state system, if you live in the Carlton/ Parkville inner city area your DS could go to University High which is a state school with a good reputation. In the outer suburbs Glen Waverley Secondary has a great reputation as does McKinnon.

There is such a huge range of schools here - I guess it will come down to what you and your DC feel comfortable with.

saffronwblue Tue 21-Jan-14 19:31:25

One very good one to look at - can't believe I forgot- is Melbourne High.

Selective state school, very strong reputation, lots of private school like trimmings and only accessible through entry test . Takes students in at year 9 and year 10.

kerloch Wed 22-Jan-14 18:20:56

Thanks again saffron, here DS would be going into a high performing grammar or independent next year. So I am looking for something of the same standard - he's v bright and I don't want him to start slipping. Like I said much earlier, I had the joy of a year in 1980s state education in WA and it was dire so parents sent me back to UK to board. I am always bit wary of Aussie state though I am sure it has progressed enormously. With the state high schools that are v good do they have waiting lists or entrance exams or is it just a case of you must live near them?

saffronwblue Wed 22-Jan-14 20:08:06

Melbourne High is one of 4 selective state schools - every student is there as a result of a selection test. DS tried to enter at year 10 and was unsuccessful. Hundreds of students sat the exam and there were only 50 places (many more places at year 9). I think DS was one of the few candidates who had not had years of tutoring for the test!
The other good state schools are a mixture of living in the zone and being accepted through testing.
Have a look at the myschool website for some data and background on schools that you are interested in.

kerloch Wed 22-Jan-14 23:08:43

Gosh, sounds like grammars here. Thanks for the link.

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