London vs Sydney salaries advice

(75 Posts)
AndIFeedEmGunpowder Thu 15-Aug-13 07:32:12

We currently live/work in London (zone2) but DH has been offered a job in Sydney by his old boss. I love the idea of a new experience, but having read through all the old threads, I am wary of how expensive Sydney now is.

Old Boss has asked DH for a number. Much as I'd love to go there, only want to do it if we will be better off! Would you just convert the salary he wants or add a bit on? How much higher do you reckon Sydney salaries are than London?

We only have a baby DC so no school to worry about. Any other advice very welcome!

chloeb2002 Fri 16-Aug-13 07:37:44

Sydney is expensive but like anywhere it depends where you choose to live. Look for suburbs similar to where you live now. I guess in Sydney is like $200k a year! ( like but i wouldn't need it) our combined income in Brisbane is about that. But we have 4 kids, big mortgage, renovations, au pair, etc....so I think with one baby at home you would be more than fine at that!

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Fri 16-Aug-13 09:05:15

Thanks for replying chloe. Have been looking at maps and rentals, all very exciting and heartening to hear that everywhere is not crazily expensive if you choose carefully.

DH has asked for 25% more money than he would for a London job so we'll see what comes back!

Thanks so much for your advice and good luck with your renovations.

Mosman Fri 16-Aug-13 14:50:54

No no no he want at least 1.6 x his current salary and then double it.
We do have four children but on $185,000 between us, we are living a very frugal lifestyle.

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Fri 16-Aug-13 15:03:49

Really Mosman?! Eek!

Is the 1.6 to exchange it to aus$? So in real terms double his UK salary? Am frantically texting DH saying 'say we need big living allowance too!' grin

Thanks so much btw smile

WhereNext Sat 17-Aug-13 04:29:06

In Sydney $200k to be comfortable. We are on $150 and have to live very carefully (i.e 2 bed flat in nice area). We have 3 kids mind, but babies are expensive too if you need to add childcare in the mix.

OnlyMeHereNow Sat 17-Aug-13 04:34:52

From what I gather, (not in Aus) double is about right. Remember, they are asking you to relocate - this should mean that you gain financially, not meet ends.

AllThreeWays Sat 17-Aug-13 05:33:13

We are comfortable in Canberra on $190000. The only high cost in Sydney is rent/housing.

AllThreeWays Sat 17-Aug-13 05:36:56

^higher cost.
I think Mosman has/had a nanny and lives in an expensive suburb in Perth. Hardly frugal

Mosman Sat 17-Aug-13 05:43:20

My Childcare costs are around $600 per week - no government assistance which you might get with PR and our rent is $650 so yes it's a lovely suburb but we live in the worse house in the best street.
After tax and that little lot there's the $500 a week in grocerys at least and that's on a good week.
We've never been so poor whilst earning so much :-)

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Sat 17-Aug-13 07:15:25

Thank you all for replying. WhereNext good to know what is possible. I think I will look after our baby as it sounds like what I make wouldn't cover the childcare! Btw does anyone know if there are baby groups like in Uk where I'd meet other mums or is that a whole other thread?

OnlyMeHereNow you've hit the nail about being better off than we are in London! Double the salary seems like a good rule of thumb.

AllThreeWays yep, I suppose you can vaguely find ways round everything apart from rent. DH has been told this is the same as London but seems much higher to me >readjusts expectations of swimming pools< smile

Mosman $500 on groceries! shock Wowzers.

Thank you all so much for your input. Only friends out there either don't have DC or have bonkers $400k+ salaries so are on a different page. It's good to hear what you all think flowers

AllThreeWays Sat 17-Aug-13 08:46:55

We spend $400 a fortnight on groceries, 2 adults 1DS

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Sat 17-Aug-13 10:03:24

Thanks AllThreeWays.

WhereNext Sat 17-Aug-13 11:25:43

Yep, $250/wk groceries for us, family of 5! Rent is $650/wk, need to spend $1000/wk for a decent house where I am. Loads of playgroups/lovely parks for little children's/library, so plenty of opportunity to make friends. It's a lovely part of the world smile

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Sat 17-Aug-13 18:38:07

It sounds gorgeous even though it is expensive!

TondelayoSchwarzkopf Sat 17-Aug-13 18:42:15

The Sydney salary for my job is nearly twice the equivalent in UK pounds. Remember many UK salaries have been kept artificially low for years.

chloeb2002 Sat 17-Aug-13 20:24:48

Even on a 457 you get childcare allowance. You do have to be working to claim tho! $600 is a huge amount on childcare. I opt for an au pair. I work 3 days a weeks. They get $120 a week plus board lodging etc. they are more than happy with that!
Really .... Like anything... You spend what you have. Or don't have. The average australian wage income is $75k (family)

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Sat 17-Aug-13 21:41:09

Tondelayo that's a good point, we have got so used to recession in the UK we haven't noticed salaries have stagnated.

Chloe au-pair sounds l

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Sat 17-Aug-13 21:42:53

Aargh my fat fingers and Iphone don't mix! Meant to say, Chloe, an au pair sounds like a good solution if I go back to work in the future smile

newbiefrugalgal Sat 17-Aug-13 22:16:07

Do an online shop for Coles and you will get a feel for your families shopping budget. It is an eye opener compares to uk.

GertBySea Sat 17-Aug-13 22:22:20

But bear in mind you'll probably eat more fresh stuff here. The choice of packaged stuff is quite limited- one or two brands per thing and also ready meals are a pretty recent invention. But the fruit and vegetable area of a supermarket looks like an Italian market compared to a UK supermarket. Everything twice the size and twice as fresh.

Mosman Sun 18-Aug-13 00:02:47

You DO NOT get the Childcare allowance or anything else on a 457, please get your facts straight Chloe.
And an au is not Childcare they are not to be used as such or else they lose their visas but more to the point they are usually kids, are you seriously suggesting leaving a toddler and three others with an unqualified teenager 12000 miles from home ? My friend has had some wonderful Su posies but you have to be realistic about their skill set

Mosman Sun 18-Aug-13 00:07:31

Fruit and beg is fucking awful, apples are tasteless, moat of it lasts two days in the fruit bowl. I'm sure it depends on luck of the draw but we've tried farmers markets - very expensive - Coles - rotten - Aussie farmers - same.
I do laugh at how healthier everyone apparently will be when they get here. All the Aussies I work with are about two stone over weight and live off takeaways and beer, meat is stupidly expensive, all fish is frozen they can't even serve you fresh in the top hotels it just can't be done.
When I land at Manchester I shall sit in the airport and just eat for two hours :-)

GertBySea Sun 18-Aug-13 00:46:56

That must be Perth then. I live in Sydney and the fruit and veg is amazing. We have a box delivered every week for $35 and the 4 of us struggle to get through it as there's so much.

My workmates are all pretty healthy, but they are professional / financial services types. I don't know if that makes a difference but they would definitely not need calories to do their jobs.

I am amazed on an almost daily basis how healthy everyone is here. I've lived here 10 years and the fact that at any time or in any weather, the seafront will have at least 20 people running, skating, cycling along it, I find brilliant. At 6am, Manly beach is positively packed with boot camps, joggers, surfers, swimmers and personal trainers. I love it. Not saying all of Sydney or Oz is the same, but we have always lived in the Eastern Suburbs or Northern Beaches and it is definitely a healthier lifestyle here than I have ever known in the South East or the North West of the UK.

When we go back to the North West at Christmas, I will definitely not be enjoying the local cuisine as much, but perhaps that's just my MIL's cooking.

I guess it's just horses for courses.

Mosman Sun 18-Aug-13 01:39:59

That's definitely a Sydney thing, there are gym bunnies in Perth just as there are in Birmingham lol
I think the good on the whole though is awful and expensive and even the CEO of Coles agrees with me grin

chloeb2002 Sun 18-Aug-13 04:43:15

Mossman my ds went to daycare. From two years old. I got the childcare Ben. I work dh works. We received correctly the childcare benefit. On a 457 you are a resident for tax purposes. That's the eligibility. We were on a 457. I know of three other families I work with who also on 457 and get childcare benefit. My facts are right.
I use my au pairs for childcare. Love it. It is quite common place to have an au pair for childcare.

GertBySea Sun 18-Aug-13 04:53:08

Ha! My heart bleeds for the MD of Coles grin. And he has brough such innovation to the brand. Coles Finest , however did he think of that....?!

I am really surprised about the childcare benefit/rebate for 457 visa holders too. But doesn't sound as though the OP is going to use it anyway.

saffronwblue Sun 18-Aug-13 05:11:30

OP have a look at this link for fresh deliveries. http://www.aussiefarmers.com.au/index.php

Sydney is a fabulous place to live and now is the time for your DH to negotiate for everything he can...

saffronwblue Sun 18-Aug-13 05:12:06
GertBySea Sun 18-Aug-13 05:38:32

There used to be a great tax break for expats, called LAFHA (Living away from home allowance), which they have now done away with. I think your DH should still ask for some kind of living or rental assstance from his employer, or a sizeable relocation allowance that you might like to use not only on relocating, but also to put towards rent at the start, while you are finding your feet and everything is a bit more expensive. You know, when you have to buy new everything for the house, like cleaning products, bulbs, lamps etc.

I agree with Saffron that your DH needs to be asking for everything now and since there there is no more LAFHA (which his employer will have heard of), his salary needs to account for the additional expenses that will doubtless be incurred (trips home, paid childcare since no longer any family support, paying annual state school fees unless you have PR by then or they change the law in NSW etc).

Was also thinking that you could look at www.domain.com.au for rental prices.

And finally, almost all rentals are unfurnished. Somehow we didn't realise this before we arrived, 10 years ago and had a choice of about 3 units in the whole of Sydney, with all our furniture safely stored in the UK...

Anyway. It's the middle of winter, it's 23 degrees and the DC and I are off to the beach. Which is free <whistles happily>

WhereNext Sun 18-Aug-13 06:13:05

We received no childcare rebate whilst on 457, was completely unavailable to us until we had PR ...

Mosman Sun 18-Aug-13 06:34:19

Well if you received the rebates I'm gob smacked because they weren't available in 2000 and they aren't available now. Not sure how you pulled that one off.
Obviously my standards are sky high but I don't consider Childcare beyond babysitting to be the remit of an au pair.

WhatSheSaid Sun 18-Aug-13 06:50:21

<butts in from New Zealand> Does the childcare rebate/457 visa thingy perhaps depend on which state you're in? Maybe that's why people in different states have different experiences?

Mosman Sun 18-Aug-13 06:52:34

No the state makes no difference

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Sun 18-Aug-13 08:27:03

Interesting what you all say about LAFHA, DH texted his old boss and said will there be accommodation/relocation package? and his old boss said yes but clearly we need to clarify!

Thank you for the online shop suggestion- just did one and spent a pretend fortune. Hadn't thought basics like bread and eggs would be so much more - Evidently I would have to meal plan instead of wandering aimlessly round Waitrose. I liked the fresh produce delivery site you linked to saffron, thank you.

Gert thank you for telling me about the unfurnished thing, didn't have a clue! Do you recommend bringing stuff or just going to ikea? I think we would be coming for 1-4 years if that makes a difference.

I think in terms of childcare it would just be occasional babysitters for the next couple of years anyway.

Thank you all so much for this advice. I know everyone experiences things differently and it is very useful to get all your varying perspectives about living in Sydney/Australia in general. smile

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Sun 18-Aug-13 08:29:44

grin at Gert's MIL's cooking!

newbiefrugalgal Sun 18-Aug-13 08:39:23

Once you do land and I hope you do as I think it would be a great adventure. Aussie supermarket shopping is like the uk, you can shop around. You might have aldi close. Fresh markets etc. so always room for keeping bills lower but the Coles online shop will give you worse case scenario -I would out Coles at sainsbury/tesco standard.

newbiefrugalgal Sun 18-Aug-13 08:42:34

Ikea online too -I think it's more expensive. If your work does shipping push for this and being your own stuff.
Unless what you have is impractical and wouldn't suit a new place.
A lot of Sydneysiders live in units and if you are only there for short time I would choose location over home space-size etc.

maffive Sun 18-Aug-13 08:50:53

Does eligibility for child related benefits on a 457 differ if your dc are born here?

Anyway, another Sydneysider here, originally from SE England.

I'm a SAHM, DH earns approx $120k. Mortgage is approx. $2800/month, we spend about $200 a week on food for family of four (Aldi's is walking distance wink). However, although we are not struggling, we live in the western suburbs and don't have much money left over for fun stuff. We only have one car that is 10 years old.

We need a second income, but until DC2 starts school, I'm unlikely to earn enough to cover child care fees and have anything left over.

Despite this, I love Sydney. I even like our suburb, as we have great neighbours, DC1 goes to good local public school, there're good amenities, parks etc. If you're outdoorsy people, you'll love it here. Even if, like us, you can't afford to live in the most popular suburb.

Before we bought our house, we rented in the Inner West. If you decide to move here, I'd definitely recommend focusing on this area for renting. Transport into the city is good (20 mins by train from where we lived). You can still be close to the water as there are lots of harbourside suburbs, and the beach is about 30 mins drive.

GertBySea Sun 18-Aug-13 09:14:15

I would bring your stuff. I can't remember the numbers as it was so long ago, but we stored everything at first and then when I went back for a wedding 9 months later, I organised to ship it. Shipping cost was equivalent to about 4 months of storage, so it just made sense. Plus it meant we could rent a cheaper unit.

We topped up from IKEA and there are a few others a bit like it- Freedom and Fantastic Furniture.

I agree the Inner West is a good starting point. Perhaps look on a map around Five Dock and Haberfield and search on rental properties in those areas as a start. The harbour is so enormous - you should hopefully be able to rent something near to some water if not the actual beach.

LAFHA was a tax concession that has now gone. So if the employer has a bit of a clue and says yes, there will be an allowance, then perhaps that is something they are prepared to give? Obviously you'll need to clarify, but I'm sure you have that in hand.

Mosman Sun 18-Aug-13 09:26:55

My daughter is actually Australian but because I only have the 457 we get nothing. It makes no difference if the kids are born in Australia or mars, the parents status is all that matters and on a 457 you are treated like shit frankly.
DH and I were both made redundant last year, I called centre link and told them I had $200 to fed 4 kids with. They told me there was nothing the could do and to phone relatives in uk, they would actually let our children starve. Seriously.
Australia is lovely and if you have PR and are emigrating I suspect it's a whole different kettle of fish but people coming out here now will have an uphil battle, the Aussies don't want 457 workers, the cost of PR has literally doubled since July and you now have to pay for children and spouses to go on the visa - about $10k in total. Perth is planning to charge four grand each child each year for shockingly shit education. It's like ok I get the hint we're leaving lol

chloeb2002 Sun 18-Aug-13 10:29:57

Just been on centre link web site to check. Yes you get childcare rebate on 457. It is not means tested and is given to anyone who is working and is a resident for tax purposes. We have in real terms found no difference between pr and 457. The biggest advantage was getting paid mat leave as we had pr.
you cannot claim any income from centrelink on a 457 that's income linked. You do get the tax plus of fam part a if you don't work abs have a low income.
What anyone chooses for childcare is there choice. Au pairs work out well for us and many many other people.
I suggest anyone not claiming childcare Ben and is resident for tax looks into it!

Mosman Sun 18-Aug-13 10:55:50

Chloe you are talking absolute rubbish - run any google search and it will confirm this.
Au pairs can only work 30 hours in total in Australia and aren't to be in sole charge for more than two hours at a time.
So basically you'd be breaking their visa terms and behaving irresponsibly leaving an au pair in charge as your sole source of Childcare whilst you work full time.

I'm sorry for the bun fight but I think people need correct information it's hard enough even in possession of the full facts to make a decision of this magnitude.

Mosman Sun 18-Aug-13 10:58:25
Mosman Sun 18-Aug-13 11:01:45

I'm sure people will be smart enough to do their own research and then pop back and confirm I'm right

ifink Sun 18-Aug-13 11:06:45

Yep not met any 457 visa holders saying they can claim the child care rebate in Brisbane. Resident for tax purposes applies to all 457 holders I.e they pay the same rate of taxation as any citizen or pr (even more so now that the lafha is gone), but that's not the point, as a 457 holder you have absolutely no recourse to government benefits...period (bar reciprocal Medicare if a uk national)...at least that's what I've been told!

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Sun 18-Aug-13 11:21:27

Definitely think it would be an adventure newbiefrugalgal, we've both lived abroad before (although separately and pre DC) and love new experiences. I think we would give it a year-18 months and if it wasn't working for us come home.

Similarly if DH lost his job I think we would come straight back to the UK, although atm I suppose we are more flexible than most as have no school age DC. I understand this isn't possible for others like Mosman and I'm so sorry things have been tough for you, I hope you get to come home soon. The lack of benefits etc. make me even more determined to make sure DH is offered a v. decent salary out there so we would have a cushion if things don't work out, so thanks for the heads up.

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Sun 18-Aug-13 11:27:49

newbie maffive and Gert thanks for the advice on furniture and locations I can look for rentals, even just to get an idea. I have never been to Sydney before and don't have a clue! Maybe I should search for houses-for-rent close to Aldi? grin

Anyway, DH has asked his boss for loads of money so he might laugh in our faces! I am philosophical and either way think it is probably meant to be. Will let you all know how the dice fall when we hear back.

Thanks all smile

GertBySea Sun 18-Aug-13 11:28:20

Ooh ooh, are you a NZ passport holder, Chloe? That would mean you'd get it on a 457?!

GertBySea Sun 18-Aug-13 11:34:07

Sorry, OP. just trying to work out this conundrum. It used to be my field, pre-DC, so am struggling to put it all together. I also think that if a 457 visa loses their job, they get kicked out pretty sharpish - it used to be 28 days and only changed to 90 days on 1 July.

Basically we are in an election year and the Labour Party need to get cash from wherever they can to pay for some of their new promises. Expats who can't vote are an easy target.

ifink Sun 18-Aug-13 11:40:32

Definitely ensure that your DH's new contract contains a provision as regards dismissal/redundancy during the term of the 457 and the costs of repatriation. Under the visa rules the employer is obliged to pay the costs of travel only bqck to the uk if they end up dispensing with your DH's services ..NOT the costs of your container/breaking the lease on a rental etc. just make sure they agree to pay all associated costs if the worst case happens

Another boring thing but worth thinking about, when on a 457 you are not a resident of oz for lots of things....and equally you are not a 'resident of the UK' either confused. This has repercussions on things like tax free savings and investment products...isas/pensions etc which you will find you can't get or pay into. You lose child benefit immediately. You still have to pay income tax on your UK house if you rent it out although you can opt to declare it in oz and pay the tax here....I could go on....

GertBySea Sun 18-Aug-13 11:53:54

Ah yes but you can get a new kitchen on the UK place and net it off against that rental income when you do your Aussie tax return (done), fix dry rot and do the same (netted off over 6 years), get new boiler (same again)...

Mosman Sun 18-Aug-13 11:56:32

Can you really ?
How does that work - dickhead hasn't put his return in yet
Pm me if that's easier - thank you

GertBySea Sun 18-Aug-13 12:13:43

My DH does my tax return because I am a complete numbers doofus. He is away this week, but I will check the details with him and get back to you. I don't think we have ever paid any tax on the rental income, but then the dry rot was £15K to fix. He just went to the US today and back on Saturday so PM me if I forget.

GertBySea Sun 18-Aug-13 12:25:14
Mosman Sun 18-Aug-13 12:33:00

Thank you - ours has been loosing £900 per month so that might help us out a bit.

Freedom is lovely but expensive - think high Habitat prices. Ikea can be significantly more for the exact same product too.

I spent a lot more time in The Reject Shop and Aldi than I had thought before we went.

Paradoxically I would say that public transport is fairly reasonable in Sydney.

You need to be a whole heap of cautious going over on a 457 - if they make you redundant you have 28 days to find another sponsor or return to the UK (which if you have rented out the house here could make life tricky). I know of three families where this has been the case. Of the three only one is still in Australia. The redundancies seem to occur just before eligibility is earned to get PR.

I don't know about the childcare rebate - I was told that I wasn't eligible in the same state as Chloe, and I worked out that for my two school age children before and after school care would cost $500 a week. (Using school provision and taking into account holiday clubs).

We were in Oz for two years and enjoyed bits of it. My dh is still working out there while he waits for his sector to pick up in the UK. My dc don't want to go back for a holiday though - and though they FaceTime their friends from school they don't ever say they miss it there. They are 8 and 9 and we have been back in the UK for 8 months.

Lots of people love Australia, but there are a significant number who don't. A quick search on PomsInOz shows lots of families returning.

I suppose I am saying be cautious. Don't expect Utopia, it is a country just like any other with its own problems and foibles. Try to remember that as much as the grass may look greener it will still need cutting.

Mosman Sun 18-Aug-13 13:15:05

You may have literally just saved our financial bacon and stbex's life
Thanks so much for that what we are saving in tax we can put towards the bloody Childcare grin

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Sun 18-Aug-13 21:53:01

Thanks for the advice on 457 and money. Our mortgage is quite big so can't see us making much of an income on letting our place anyway but good to know we can offset it if necessary! Hear what you are saying about the grass being greener Scone.

GertBySea Mon 19-Aug-13 05:27:02

mosman, I've PMd you.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Mon 19-Aug-13 06:00:55

Mosman's childcare doesn't sound expensive at all to me. I have two pre-school-age children in three days a week in Adelaide - which runs quite a lot cheaper - and I pay $500/week before the government rebates. That's 2 children x 3 days x $85, and I know that in Sydney a day's CC is going to be well over $100 for anywhere decent.

Mosman Mon 19-Aug-13 07:37:53

Perths nurseries are $120 a day per child, if you can secure a space. The owner felt sorry for me and reduced it to a mere $102 per day as I'm not entitled to the rebate.
I've let the old three make their own way home on a bus - which I would never in my wildest dreams have done in the UK - not that I feel they are any safer but my hands been somewhat forced becoming a single parent. So they are latchkey kids now, to reduce costs :-(

echt Mon 19-Aug-13 08:24:29

Thinking of the furnishing of rentals, although we were able bring over all our furniture, over time some stuff needed to be replaced.

We were shock at the cost of re-covering a sofa, unwilling to spend big bucks when we hadn't made decorating decisions, so bought a near-perfect Freedom sofa from Vinnies for $100. Go to posh area op shops and you can get some fab bargains. Yard and garage sales can be very good.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Mon 19-Aug-13 11:45:42

Ah, I see, Mosman. Yes, that's in line with Sydney and parts of Melbourne.

Oh yes, Vinnies smile

Ebay doesn't really work in the same way as here either - i think because distances are so huge and postage is expensive. Gumtree is much much more popular.

PoppyAmex Mon 19-Aug-13 11:54:07

They got rid of LAFHA? Good god, that would make a huge difference for anyone on a 457.

We were there for close to 9 years (just returned 2 years ago) and LAFHA made a fair bit of difference.

I lived in George Street (World Tower and then Lumiere building on George St/Bathurst) so as CBD as it could get and I found the cost of living pretty high compared to the UK.

Having said that, food was good and varied, we ate really well / healthily and everyone in my office went to the gym / for a run at lunchtime and was pretty fit. But like someone said above thread, I also worked in Banking/ Financial Services so maybe that was different?

OP, if I were you I would check the expat forums people mentioned above thread and also the Poms returning to the UK, as their reasons/circumstances might also bring some issues up you didn't consider before.

We had a great time there and a nice lifestyle, but always knew it wasn't a "forever" situation for us as our heart was in Europe.

Poppy - yes indeed. Announced that it was being consulted on in the November, ignored all the consultation by March implemented July.

In the space of 8 months an effective pay cut of 20%. It is partly due to this that we came home. It is cheaper for us to run our UK home and a v.small flat in Perth than a reasonable family home there.

GrandstandingBlueTit Tue 20-Aug-13 08:54:44

Mosman - the au pair situation in New Zealand is obviously quite different from what you know of it in Australia, then. I'm surprised by that...

We use Au Pair Link, and their Core Programme is specifically designed for families with at least one child under 5 (i.e. pre-school).

This programme provides families (who have at least one child under 5) with a quality Early Childhood Curriculum.

If fact, if you have an au pair looking after pre-school children, you are even entitled to the 20 Hours ECE Government subsidy, since this Au Pair agency is a licensed ECE provider.

Au pairs can work for up to 45 hours a week.

All au pairs are vetted and have childcare experience.

Just thought I would get this side of the story over, in case there is any concern. Obviously I can't vouch for all au pairs, nor all agencies. But using an au pair as childcare for young children is a perfectly valid and safe choice. smile

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Tue 20-Aug-13 08:59:58

They said DH wants too much cash and offered almost a third less! So we have decided against going. Bit disappointed, but It is a very long way from home and a lot of upheaval, with, as lots of you have pointed out, not much security if it all goes tits up.

Thank you all SO much for taking the time to give me such brilliant and detailed advice. flowers I really appreciate it and was looking forward to possibly meeting some Sydney Mnetters. Lots of good luck to you all on adventures overseas or returning home. As it must be evening for you, here's some wine

Mosman Tue 20-Aug-13 09:04:39

That's a rather specific program, rather than some girl off gumtree though isn't it ?
The visa requirements of an au pair in Australia would make them a poor substitute for a nanny which many people seem to mistake them for.

GrandstandingBlueTit Tue 20-Aug-13 09:19:39

Well, I'm not defending someone choosing their childcare off Gumtree. But did anyone actually say they did that?

Rather, I was responding to your assertion that an au pair is 'not childcare'. It certainly can be exactly that.

Again, surprised that the visa requirements for au pairs in Aus are so vastly different to NZ...

GrandstandingBlueTit Tue 20-Aug-13 09:20:04

Apols for thread de-railing. smile

WhereNext Tue 20-Aug-13 12:13:11

That must be disappointing, but maybe some relief too at not making a big move!
Lots of luck with your future adventures too smile

AndI, their next move will probably be to offer him parity to the UK. I am 2.5 years wiser than I was and parity is not enough to give the same lifestyle.

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Wed 21-Aug-13 07:51:59

Thanks WhereNext smile.

Yep Scone you were right. Given everything I've read and you guys have mentioned, we would have to drop our standard of living if we made the move on that salary. If we didn't have any DC it might be worth it for the experience alone, but now we have a baby small luxuries and security seem more important. (Gosh I've become boring!) Plus my sister is having a baby, so that's another good reason to stay smile

GrandstandingBlueTit derail away!

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