EaB - Paris Monceau and LaMartine

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fairground Mon 02-Feb-09 14:37:30

Hi to all you parisiens out there - particularly those with bilingually schooled children. We are moving to Paris soon (Anglo/French couple) and have 2 children (Petite Section/CE2) who are bilingually schooled (following French curriculum) at the moment. We have been offerred places at EaB - LaMartine from April for both girls. My husband is already in Paris, and we are keen to minimise the separation of the family. What is your view regarding this school? I know it is related to EaB Monceau, but it would seem that we cannot get places there until September, and obviously that means 9 months of separation versus 5 months if we take the LaMartine places.
Anyone have any views on the Lamartine campus (particularly versus Monceau)
Thanks

PuzzleRocks Mon 02-Feb-09 19:50:03

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fairground Mon 02-Feb-09 23:27:54

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BonsoirAnna Fri 06-Feb-09 13:19:23

Hello

My daughter is at EaB Monceau (moyenne section).

Lamartine is fine but not as good a school as Monceau and, to the best of my knowledge, not nearly as good for bilingual children as most of the proper Anglophones go to Monceau and are all taught English together.

Can you not put your children in Lamartine from April-June and then put them in Monceau from September?

fairground Sun 08-Feb-09 15:37:55

Hi Anna - thanks for your response. I would like to avoid chopping and changing schools too much for the girls, so I think once we get to Paris, we will stay in the school we start at (plus I don't think EAB would take it too well if we switched!).

In some respects, to have a school more dominant in French may not be too bad a thing for us at this point as we have lived in 3 different, predominantly English speaking countries all the girl's lives, so their English is somewhat stronger, despite always attending French schools (my youngest, to be fair, only started in September at the Lycee here!)

Will keep you posted on what we decide - if we end up at Monceau I will definately let you know and maybe we could meet up after school one day!

BonsoirAnna Sun 08-Feb-09 17:32:39

In your position, I would wait for September and go to Monceau. It's a better school and, crucially, a much nicer environment... smile.

Yes, CAT me whenever you feel like a coffee/chat once you get here smile.

fairground Wed 11-Feb-09 14:38:51

Thanks Anna for the feedback. I will have a serious think about the pros and cons - particularly since they have acutally offered us a place at Lamartine but not yet at Monceau (they are quite clear there would be nothing available before Rentree) and I don't want to tempt fate - i.e end up with no place anywhere!

BonsoirAnna Thu 12-Feb-09 15:54:14

Hmm. Monceau is more popular than Lamartine, and with good reason - there are plenty of parents with children at Monceau who live much closer to Lamartine.

luisparis Tue 25-Aug-09 14:06:00

Hi

I'm thinking to enrol our daughter to the EAB next year, when she will reach 3 y o, and definetely have a soft spot on the Monceau campus after I visited extremely cramped other english schools yesterday where I have doubts children might enjoy studying. How good are the academic achievements in French or International studies of students who attended there ?

Which other school would you recommend in Paris intra muros that offers english or bilingual cursus ?

Thanks
Luis

frakkinpannikinAGRIPPA Sat 29-Aug-09 18:34:19

I don't know EAB but I can recommend the EABJM from an academic POV. DH2Bs sister got 45/45 in her IB from there 3 years ago and several of her friends did very well in the French Bac with International option. Possibly better to transfer there at 11 though, or for CE2 to the Theatre campus, if you're worried about space as Dupleix and Suffren are both quite small, although my charge has been very happy at Suffren and he is a VERY active little boy. I don't think any of the children there have suffered from the small size of the school and it does give it a lovely homely atmosphere.

MrsSchadenfreude Sun 30-Aug-09 20:01:12

I am thinking of EABJM or the ISP. Less keen on the idea of the British School as don't want to commute and don't want them growing up in a British bubble as they did in Belgium.

Actually, I am not thinking about it at all at the moment and I go in 6 weeks!

BonsoirAnna Sun 30-Aug-09 20:09:03

My DD is at EaB, just about to enter the third year of maternelle - she has been there since the beginning of petite section.

IMO, EaB is a great école maternelle and a sound primary school - your child will progress very well there up until 11, by all accounts, compared to other local schools. But you mustn't count on keeping your child there beyond primary, and certainly not for lycée.

MrsSchadenfreude - didn't know you were moving Paris smile. ISP is an "expat bubble" school, very definitely. But, if you are not planning on spending your whole life here and/or your children are quite old already, it can be a good option.

BonsoirAnna Sun 30-Aug-09 20:13:53

Sorry - I should have made it clear that DD is at EaB Monceau.

The schools I am considering for the future are EABJM, Ecole Alsacienne and Lycée International de Saint-Germain-en-Laye. But I am not at all convinced that I shall move DD before the end of primary (even if I do intend to make applications for the first year of primary for September 2010). All four schools have their good and bad points.

MrsSchadenfreude Sun 30-Aug-09 22:28:21

Oh Lordy! But at least it is in Central Paris. The British School in Brussels was in what was known as the British ghetto and most of the mothers didn't even venture into Brussels!

Was told not a cat in hell's chance of getting into the Lycee International unless children are super bright. They are not daft, but I don't have mini Einsteins on my hands.

I've got a contract for 4 years, girls are 8 and 11 and I will be working in the 16th (hopefully living there too) hence the appeal of the International School!

BonsoirAnna Mon 31-Aug-09 09:13:09

I can quite understand, if your girls are 8 and 11 and you intend to return to the UK when they are 12 and 15, that you would want to put them in an IB school. My sister lives in Amsterdam, and before that Madrid, not knowing where she is going to be next, and she keeps her children in IB schools.

Lycée International would be very hard work for them (and, contrary to popular opinion, you don't need to be daughter-of-Einstein to get in, just decent university potential) and personally I don't think is worth bothering with unless you are sure of actually getting to the end (it is the lycée proper that is so good, the primary and collège have quite a lot of complications about them).

I would have more reservations about living in the 16th than sending my children to ISP! It's very staid and boring! smile

MrsSchadenfreude Mon 31-Aug-09 14:36:41

Anna, Where would you recommend living that is not too difficult to get to the 16th from? I had heard that it was spectactularly dull! I may also be working some of the time in the Faubourg St Honore area, so will need to get there as well.

Although it's appealling, the idea of living in a house in somewhere like Croissy or Bougival, the thought of commuting again fills me with dismay! I am commuting at the moment as DH's job brought us out to the sticks, but this is an alien concept to me - I have always lived in central London and walked to work before, and have every intention of moving back to my flat in central London post Paris.

BonsoirAnna Mon 31-Aug-09 17:10:25

Yes, you have been correctly informed: the 16th is boring beyond belief, and I know and DP knows the area around ISP very well as his parents (and grandparents before them) live in Avenue Mozart.

If your children are going to ISP, they really need to be on a RATP bus route as, at their age, they will soon be able to do the journey on their own. I'm presuming that your younger DD will be at Ranelagh site and your elder DD at the rue Beethoven site. Either way, both are going to be pretty accessible from the 7th arrondissement which is much, much nicer than the 16th, though more expensive. You could play around with www.ratp.fr to compare sites and bus routes.

The rue du Faubourg-Saint-Honoré runs from Place des Ternes at the western extremity of the 8th arrondissement bordering on the 17th to the eastern extremity of the 8th arrondissment bordering on the 1st. So it is immensely accessible from the 8th or south-eastern part of the 17th or the eastern part of the 16th. I wouldn't worry about travelling there (on your own, for work) so much as getting transport for your DDs right - it is unusual for children to travel far to school in Paris, and secondary school days can be long and oddly timetabled (don't know if ISP follows this crappy French trend).

MrsSchadenfreude Mon 31-Aug-09 18:12:09

Will look into the 7th. Have already turned down a 2 bed flat on Victor Hugo. Rent ceiling is around 4000 euros a month, I think.

BonsoirAnna Mon 31-Aug-09 18:35:10

4,000 euros a month? That's loads smile. Lucky you! You can easily get three double bedrooms/two bathrooms in a nice area for 4,000.

Try looking in Le Figaro.

frakkinpannikinAGRIPPA Mon 31-Aug-09 18:42:15

The 7th is nice (I'm biased!) and convenient for ISP. ISP Beethoven is right by a metro stop on the 6 which runs right the way through the 7th. Around the rue Sevres/ave breteuil area on the 6th/7th border you would be able to pick up the metro 6 (for Beethoven) and the bus 70 (for Ranelagh). Alternatively the 82 bus will get you within a short walk of Beethoven and goes right through the 7th, which means you could live up closer to rue de bac/boulevard d'invalides. Living by the Champ de Mars you'd be within walking distance of Beethoven but getting to Ranelagh might be a problem.

The best bus for both schools would be the 72 which goes through the 8th, 1st and 4th arr. following the river.

BonsoirAnna Tue 01-Sep-09 07:58:01

The eastern part of the seventh (east of Les Invalides) is a lot nicer (younger and more fashionable) than the western part, though, which is quite traditionally Catholic-bourgeoisie (that really would not suit our family at all!).

MrsSchadenfreude Wed 02-Sep-09 19:01:59

OK...I have finally got the bull by the horns and have emailed ISP and asked if they have room for the DDs...

Finally taking head out of sand...

BonsoirAnna Wed 02-Sep-09 19:32:03

Good for you! Hope it works out (it should do, most of those international schools have lost pupils to the credit crunch and the repatriation of international executives).

MrsSchadenfreude Wed 02-Sep-09 22:01:04

I have lukewarmly emailed the American and British Schools too. Really don't want to live in the sticks or a British/American ghetto. Had long chat with someone about schools in Paris today, and interestingly, she agreed with you on EaB not for lycée.

MrsSchadenfreude Wed 02-Sep-09 22:01:53

DD1 engrossed in learning the parts of the horse in French this evening!

BonsoirAnna Thu 03-Sep-09 07:29:25

There's also Marymount in Neuilly-sur-Seine (five minutes from Paris proper) which has fabulous facilities and is quite a cuddly sort of school, from all accounts.

BonsoirAnna Thu 03-Sep-09 07:33:01

I have met short-term expat families who have put their primary-aged children in EaB Monceau adaptation so that they become bilingual, but put their secondary-aged children in ISP because they felt it was too late for them to deal with so much French.

MrsSchadenfreude Thu 03-Sep-09 21:09:24

ISP not sure they will have room (now panicking slightly). Will look into Marymount, but it only goes up to 14, so may end up moving DD1 for our last year there (she could then, presumably, go to Marymount in London).

BonsoirAnna Fri 04-Sep-09 07:09:45

Don't worry too much about the move at 14 - all schools here have a break point at 14/15 when children move from collège to lycée. Marymount children move to ASP on the whole.

pinkhousesarebest Fri 04-Sep-09 08:45:22

Oooh,I used to teach in Marymount.I loved it,such a nurturing place. Good luck with your choice!

MrsSchadenfreude Fri 04-Sep-09 21:13:19

Should I go and see Marymount too, then? I like the idea of a cuddly school (but will they learn something there? They are both bright, but idle) rather than the 1950s grammar school, which is how the British School was described to me!

pinkhousesarebest Sat 05-Sep-09 20:51:32

They follow the American curriculum,and focused on the individual child,but it is well structured and children do very well.I have lots of friends who were there for a few years and who subsequently returned to their respective countries,and they were very pleased at how their children fitted back into their year groups.

BonsoirAnna Sat 05-Sep-09 22:01:34

Marymount has absolutely fabulous facilities by comparison with any other school in the vicinity. School facilities are generally dreadful in France sad and this is true even of the international schools here.

MrsSchadenfreude Tue 08-Sep-09 22:47:59

Right, I will go and see Marymount and ISP first and have told the relocators that I don't want to live in bleedin' Croissy.

BonsoirAnna Wed 09-Sep-09 20:48:47

grin Too right you don't!

MrsSchadenfreude Wed 09-Sep-09 20:51:19

It was the bloody assumption that I would want to live there and commute and send the children to the British School, living in a British bubble. No thanks, been there, done that in Brux.

BonsoirAnna Wed 09-Sep-09 20:54:11

LOL. You are an urban(e), hip, globalised sort of person who lives bang in the centre of metropolises and has and makes friends with people from all over the world and you feel belittled that an estate agent couldn't see that wink

MrsSchadenfreude Thu 10-Sep-09 12:09:18

LOL. Not belittled, just rolled my eyes a bit at the assumption!

BonsoirAnna Thu 10-Sep-09 18:21:42

I'm feeling very reconciled to EaB at the moment - you could send your little one to EaB and your big one to ISP?

MrsSchadenfreude Tue 29-Sep-09 15:43:03

Right, we are going to see Marymount and ISP on one day, then the British School another day and the American school on yet another day. Am liking the thought of Marymount best, American school also v helpful.

BonsoirAnna Wed 30-Sep-09 08:16:57

Ooh let me know how you get on/what you think. I don't have much recent info on any of those schools! Good luck smile

shophappy Wed 30-Sep-09 09:58:49

My girls go to EAB Lamartine - and it is a fantastic school - small, warm and extremely nurturing. In the 4 months my eldest (who was not a great fan of school) has been there she has absolutely blossomed - we have always been in the French system previously, and she found it quite difficult - not academically, but in other aspects. At Lamartine, her self-esteem has been bolstered, and she has become an altogether different child!
It's true the facilities are limited (no parc like Monceau ;) but the staff are fantastic and as it is a very small school the children are not overwhelmed by huge numbers of other children ( a problem both mine faced at their previous school).

Not much good for your eldest as it is maternelle/elementaire only but might be great for the younger one (although I am not sure if there are any places - my elder girl's class had no new students in it this year, and La Directrice has said that there was a waiting list).

Whistlewhileyouwork Thu 15-Mar-12 14:35:41

Hello there, can anyone explain why Eab Monceau is not a good choice for College or Lycee, as mentionned in this thread?????

Fraktal Thu 15-Mar-12 18:53:35

It's not particularly academic.

IntlMum Wed 23-Jan-13 05:34:42

Hi everyone

We are planning to move to Paris (for September 2013) from North America, and I have found your comments to be so helpful! And I have a few questions about schools in Paris I hope you don't mind answering.

My husband is French (I'm English) and both DDs (5 and 9) are bilingual - the older one more so than the younger one. They've been schooled in English (with a spell in France), so their written English is much better than their French. The 9 year old is very bright (reading several years ahead of grade level; school is very easy for her). Her current school doesn't push her at all though (not their philosophy). Not sure about the younger one. As we put them in school in France the last time we were there (for 3 months) they both know--and don't necessarily enjoy--the more strict French approach to schooling. They'd adapt, but I think they'd prefer an international environment, with a more open-minded, flexible approach to learning.

Given this, what schools would you recommend in Paris? ISP is beyond our budget, and we need to be in central Paris (as my husband will be commuting by Eurostar to London for work).

We think EAB would be lovely, as would EAB-JM. Any thoughts on which one would be better for us? And has anyone heard of the Wi-School in the 9eme? (http://www.wischool-bilingue-montessori.com). I can't find any reviews about it online.

Also, any tips on chances of getting into EAB or EAB-JM? Reading the comments online here, I'm a little worried!

Many thanks! smile

Bonsoir Wed 23-Jan-13 08:19:42

I presume that your 9 year old is a 2003 baby and your 5 year old a 2007 baby, and that in September 2013 your 9 year old would therefore be going into CM2 (last year of primary) and your 5 year old into CP (first year of primary)?

Even if your DC have been schooled in part in France, they are much more likely to get a spot in the immersion classes at EaB than in the main school. If your older DC is very bright, she will probably catch up just fine within the year, in time for collège. However, I would not recommend EaB Collège - not because it is not academic, as I think the academics are fine, especially for properly bilingual pupils, but because it has severe accommodation problems that have recently taken a turn for the worse. There is a severe shortage of space at EaB Collège that is not easy to solve. If I were you, I would try for the immersion/adaptation classes at EABJM as the school has better facilities by *far in collège.

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