Should we move to Victoria (Oz)?

(106 Posts)
kerloch Thu 12-Dec-13 09:30:15

To go or not to go......

We have had a visa (skilled migrant) for a while but decided Australia was too expensive and we would be downgrading not upgrading if we left the UK fsmile. But DH is fed up with his job and needs a change and so we are now thinking of it seriously again.

Friends who went out there a few years ago have just come back though saying the skilled migrant visa has changed and now they have to pay more taxes, school fees etc. They said it was totally unaffordable. I wondered if anyone was in that situation over in Oz and could share their words of wisdom!

kerloch Wed 22-Jan-14 23:08:43

Gosh, sounds like grammars here. Thanks for the link.

saffronwblue Wed 22-Jan-14 20:08:06

Melbourne High is one of 4 selective state schools - every student is there as a result of a selection test. DS tried to enter at year 10 and was unsuccessful. Hundreds of students sat the exam and there were only 50 places (many more places at year 9). I think DS was one of the few candidates who had not had years of tutoring for the test!
The other good state schools are a mixture of living in the zone and being accepted through testing.
Have a look at the myschool website www.myschool.edu.au/ for some data and background on schools that you are interested in.

kerloch Wed 22-Jan-14 18:20:56

Thanks again saffron, here DS would be going into a high performing grammar or independent next year. So I am looking for something of the same standard - he's v bright and I don't want him to start slipping. Like I said much earlier, I had the joy of a year in 1980s state education in WA and it was dire so parents sent me back to UK to board. I am always bit wary of Aussie state though I am sure it has progressed enormously. With the state high schools that are v good do they have waiting lists or entrance exams or is it just a case of you must live near them?

saffronwblue Tue 21-Jan-14 19:31:25

One very good one to look at - can't believe I forgot- is Melbourne High. www.mhsviceduau.com/

Selective state school, very strong reputation, lots of private school like trimmings and only accessible through entry test . Takes students in at year 9 and year 10.

saffronwblue Mon 20-Jan-14 20:18:40

Other comparable schools to Melbourne Grammar are Wesley, Scotch, Carey, St Michaels, Brighton Grammar. All very strong academically with great music programs, lots of sport, strong history and traditions and usually rather wealthy parents as the fees are challenging to say the least.

In the state system, if you live in the Carlton/ Parkville inner city area your DS could go to University High which is a state school with a good reputation. In the outer suburbs Glen Waverley Secondary has a great reputation as does McKinnon.

There is such a huge range of schools here - I guess it will come down to what you and your DC feel comfortable with.

kerloch Mon 20-Jan-14 16:59:59

Well have been in touch with Melbourne Grammar and DS1 is going to sit their entrance exams. Are there any other good schools in Vic that anyone can recommend. I looked at Balwyn too (thanks saffron) but I guess we'd have to live in that area to get in.

kerloch Mon 13-Jan-14 20:15:28

PS what would you say are good suburbs - commutable but green and pleasant? I remember driving through Kew which seemed nice but was bounded by big roads. Maybe further out is better?

kerloch Mon 13-Jan-14 20:14:19

Thanks that's really helpful. Are there any selective state schools over in VIC? DS is very bright and I don't want him to slip educationally.

I myself was educated for some senior years in WA and I've got to say the education was leagues behind the UK (it was an apparently good state hit school shock). But that was a long time time ago so things may have changed but I am a bit averse to the Australian state sector because of it.

saffronwblue Sun 12-Jan-14 22:28:47

Example boys elite private school, fees up to $27,000 per year www.mgs.vic.edu.au/

example state secondary with great reputation and tight zone www.balwynhs.vic.edu.au/

example inner city state primary with good reputation www.northmelbourneps.vic.edu.au/

There is huge variation between Melbourne suburbs as to socioeconomic level, ethnic diversity, quality of schooling and community facilities.

echt Sun 12-Jan-14 22:18:17

There are tons of private schools; some very selective academically, some not. State primaries seem good, though I'd avoid the ones with mixed year groups. State secondary varies. Some of the most high-acheving have strict zones and very expensive housing as a consequence.

Some secondaries have form for, ahem, encouraging students to move on at the end of Year 10, before the exam years begin.

kerloch Sun 12-Jan-14 15:43:55

Well I'm thinking independent or grammar (does such a thing exist). Since I think currently we'll start having to commute to the CBD - I suppose any suburb will do.

saffronwblue Sun 12-Jan-14 07:28:41

I would keep a good eye on the Australian economy. It is very vulnerable to the Chinese economy and is also in a fever of conservative governments cutting education, health, government jobs and universities. I currently have one child in a private school and one in a state school in Melbourne.

echt Sun 12-Jan-14 06:23:39

Primary/secondary? Government/ private?

What suburb?

This is a very big question.

kerloch Sat 11-Jan-14 22:16:07

Decided tonight to go for it. Unless the economy goes downhill. But won't probably go until the end of the year. Does anyone know about Melbourne Schools?

Degustibusnonestdisputandem Thu 09-Jan-14 07:24:33

I'm actually from western Victoria, & know it very well indeed! We are intending to move to Ballarat and build a home there in 4 years or so (well that's the idea at the moment!). It's likely though that I may have to commute to a job in Melbourne, though I have family there to stay with mid week if necessary. The visa stuff I have read a bit about on the poms in oz forums; the 457 restrictions seem quite ridiculous. One thing I will say though, is that the states are all quite different (it was a bit of a culture shock going to Queensland for the first time with my English husband & in laws!)

Reddeb Wed 08-Jan-14 18:52:10

My dhs new employer have waited over 6 months for him! I think we've been v lucky.

kerloch Tue 07-Jan-14 13:59:05

Ok I am going to see what I can do with his linked in profile. Do they search the intro section?

saffronwblue Tue 07-Jan-14 03:01:59

Kerloch that is a dreadful story. I suggest he really beefs up his linkedin profile and uses phrases like seeking opportunities as headhunters trawl for these phrases.

chloeb2002 Sat 04-Jan-14 04:35:41

That's rubbish! I guess he will have to give his 4 months notice and get on the job hunt trail! Hopefully that way you will get one before you leave? I think it gets harder to emigrate the more specialised and therefore potentially less in demand you are.
My dh is lucky as he is in i.t and I am a nurse so always jobs a plenty!
I think it may be hard if there's not many positions and no way to break his contractual agreement with his current employer.

kerloch Fri 03-Jan-14 13:56:50

arfishy we have been monitoring seek.com but none of the jobs in his field seem to offer his type of pay. Are there any other good websites? Headhunting agencies all say the notice is a problem.

He was actually flown out to Oz at the start of last year for a very promising role and he was the only candidate after SKYPE interviews, psychological tests etc but it transpired when he got to Melbourne that the agent had not told them about the notice (which he would have negotiated down to about 4 months). After a full day of interviews with the CEO, other Directors he mentioned it since they kept saying 'when you start next month' and DH was confused. He said they went instantly cold. Next day feedback, hasn't got the job because 'he didn't seem that keen'. DH had only just flown all the way to bloody Melbourne, taken four days annual leave over my son's birthday and yet he 'wasn't keen' shock. Agent was v sheepish and DH was furious. Not a sniff of a job since.

kerloch Fri 03-Jan-14 13:50:19

DH is a Director of a big corporation and has 8 months notice - so I mean it is REALLY long. I think your ideas about Linkedin are really great and I hadn't thought of them though of course he has to be careful because unless he has told his company people are going to notice. Do you know how they search key words?

Reddeb Thu 02-Jan-14 22:08:21

Yes my dh approached via LinkedIn and then offered job, he had a long notice period and they were more than happy to wait.

arfishy Thu 02-Jan-14 08:02:08

Which industry is he in Kerloch? If you have a look at www.seek.com.au you'll see job listings, which might help you gauge demand. However, I've found in my industry (IT) that online applications don't work. Word is that the recruiters, who are even less ethical than the ones in the UK, primarily invent jobs to harvest CVs. Recruiters find me either in their databases months later on a keyword search, or approach me via linkedin.

You might find that if you change his location in LinkedIn and on his CV (which you should start to circulate) to Sydney/Melbourne, really make his online LinkedIn profile amazing - keywords, all profile completed, key achievements - that the work will come to you. I guess this does rather depend on the line of work, but I get a few approaches directly from employers each month, yet my particular skill isn't on the Governments Critical Skills list (or whatever its called now).

If you do get contacted by an employer who has specifically targeted you then they are much more likely to tolerate a long notice period, especially if it is common in his line of work.

chloeb2002 Thu 02-Jan-14 05:24:10

My husbands company happily waiting 4 months for him to start. If the occupation is in demand there will be no issue waiting!

cleofatra Wed 01-Jan-14 22:26:11

Yes, I had a 3 month notice period but if you decide to go, you need to choose a date anyway and resign prior to that to sort things. Just apply with the arrival date in mind.

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