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Horrible incident/assault in the Science Museum yesterday

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Dodo76 Sat 22-Feb-14 10:08:41

Had a horrible incident in the Science Museum yesterday when I was there with DP and his DCs, 10 and 8 and my DSs, 5 and 3. DSs were playing with a water feature in the kids play area in the basement. DP and I were stood at one end watching (the feature was 3-4m long max). I was watching DS1 when I saw a woman start screaming at him and waving her finger right in his face. I went over and said, can you please not scream at him and waive your finger in his face (then was about to ask what he had done) when this woman turned on me and started screaming at me that I was a terrible mother, that it was my fault DS1 as like this etc. I asked her to stop screaming at me at which point she pushed me hard backwards. I was completely shocked and said do not push me and went to find a security guard and DP (who had gone to check on his DS) who then came over then the woman kept screaming at DP saying I was a terrible mother, mad etc. The manager came and we both went out. She told her version, no doubt a pack of lies, then I told mine but because it was my word against hers they couldn't do anything. I said I had been assaulted and did not want to go back in with that woman there. I know it's not a massive thing but I am completely shaken and can't stop crying. What is also really upsetting is that this incident was witnessed by about 20-30 people and none stepped in or came forward to support my version of what happened, although I think a few people were telling her to shut up etc. I may be overreacted but I have called the police and was going to formally report it later today but am now wondering whether to bother as there were no cameras there and I can't see that they would bother to take it further. I just feel like I don't want to leave the house. Any guidance on what to do would be very welcome.

Crutchlow35 Sat 22-Feb-14 10:11:25

Goodness, that sounds awful but did you find out why she stated screaming in the first place?

Dodo76 Sat 22-Feb-14 10:14:03

No. DS1 later said that he had taken a plastic boat away from her DD and knocked the daughter's hand when he gave it back, a version which was supported by DP's daughter, 10. I was watching them for 20 - 30 minutes beforehand and didn't see anything.

JeanSeberg Sat 22-Feb-14 10:16:59

Was the incident recorded in writing by the museum?

Dodo76 Sat 22-Feb-14 10:18:59

Yes, it was.

JeanSeberg Sat 22-Feb-14 10:20:27

Call the non-emergency police number and ask for their opinion. Presumably you have the woman's contact details?

Coconutty Sat 22-Feb-14 10:21:11

How odd.

Nonsense for them to say 'they can't do anything'. Shops and businesses including museums are perfectly able to tell people to leave if they are upsetting other visitors/customers, as long as they aren't discriminating (e.g. harassing b/f mothers or throwing someone out for being black or disabled). None of that discrimination applies here.

Dodo76 Sat 22-Feb-14 10:22:33

Completely utterly odd and psychotic. I can understand someone talking you to about your child if they have done something wrong but screaming abuse and assaulting you?

Dodo76 Sat 22-Feb-14 10:23:35

It is worth formally reporting it though? I can't see that the police will do anything.

RedHelenB Sat 22-Feb-14 13:23:11

Next time maybe ask what the matter is first and then things don't escalate?

specialsubject Sat 22-Feb-14 14:04:33

no, whatever the children were scrapping about, there is NO excuse for the adult to assault another adult.

report it to police. probably nothing will happen but report anyway.

RedHelenB Sat 22-Feb-14 15:07:31

I agree, you shouldn't have been pushed but sometimes things are resolved more easily by ascertaining the facts first, rather than going in all guns blazing!

arabellarubberplant Sat 22-Feb-14 15:15:15

Yeah, sorry OP, but you handled it very badly.

If anyone seems to have a problem with my kids, I apologise first, try and find out what happened, and then deal appropriately.

You wading in like a tiger momma just made things worse in an already heated situation.

I'm surprised that both you and the original shouter weren't asked to leave, tbh.

If ds1 is 5, he should know not to take toys away from other kids, and not to 'knock' their hands if he's forced to give the toys back.

She'd probably been queuing for two hours to get in and having a toy ripped out of her dd's hands was probably the last straw. I stopped going to the Science museum at half term because it's always a gong show. I'm amazed you were so far away from your kids when it's that busy.

I am lolling at 'no doubt a pack of lies'. You were almost convincing until that holier than thou little snippet.

MikeLitoris Sat 22-Feb-14 15:22:56

I completely disagree that you were in the wrong. If anyone was screaming and pointing at my child without bothering to speak to me would be told to eff right off. This is a child, no matter what he had done he does not need to be screamed at.

I cant even count the amount of times dd2 has been dragged around and smacked at soft play. I have no issue with telling a child to stop bad behaviour and the same goes for people talking to my dc. I certainly wouldn't scream and shove another parent.

Utterly bizarre behaviour.

OooohHorlicks Sat 22-Feb-14 15:23:13

I disagree. My first response would have been to stop a grown adult screaming at my child before asking what the problem was.

The woman's behaviour was inexcusable on both counts - screaming at your child and then pushing you.

I would pursue it.

GretaWolfcastle Sat 22-Feb-14 15:23:18

so basically a woman shouted at you?

VoyageDeVerity Sat 22-Feb-14 15:25:40

Bit more than that Greta

WTFlike Sat 22-Feb-14 15:32:33

That's horrible, and now having people here excuse it?! Weirdos.

Hope you're ok OP.

Sillylass79 Sat 22-Feb-14 15:35:58

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SirChenjin Sat 22-Feb-14 15:39:16

On the face of it, it sounds awful. Tbh I don't think there's anything that we can say on here that will help (other than to sympathise), you really have to wait for the police to advise - and fwiw I would have called them too.

Funnyfoot Sat 22-Feb-14 15:40:23

As an adult this women, if she had a problem with your child should not have screamed at either of you like a Banshee. At that point I would have lost all respect for her and refused to engage in and conversation/shouting match.

Short of your DS threatening her DD with switch blade then she was completely out of order. Don't giver her another thought. She will at some point come across somebody who doesn't take kindly to being yelled at and she will end up getting slapped.

Burma Sat 22-Feb-14 15:41:02

Greta the OP was pushed and shouted at for asking what her child had done wrong - bit more than just being shouted at. Mind you Science Museum at half term is enough to bring out the worst in most people - no excuse for behaving like that though.

I wouldn't bother calling the police, does seem a bit OTT.

Dodo76 Sat 22-Feb-14 16:39:06

ArabellaRubberplant, so I handled it badly? My huge mistake was to ask her (very calmly and politely) not to scream at my child and point her finger in his face. Nothing he could have done (and I had been watching and had not actually seen him to anything) could have warranted that. I as a parent don't scream in his face that I certainly would not step in and apologise to a woman doing that do my son without first establishing he needed to apologise. I always watch my son and he is always made to apologise if he does something wrong. My priority was to stop a woman verbally abusing my son. Given that she then assaulted me I am not sure she wouldn't done the same to my child. And yes, I can guarantee she told a pack of lies. I hope you run into this woman or someone similar. Utterly shocked that someone behaved like this and you are actually defending her. As it happens, I did report it to the police today and they will be following it up. And thanks for the tip about not going to the Science Museum at half term. I live and work in London and took a day off work to be with me kids and had the cheek to go there. Stupid me again.

LauraBridges Sat 22-Feb-14 16:40:03

Pushed is a crime. I wouldn't report it as the hassle isn't worth it and you haven't got permanent damage. However it is up to you. Presumably it may all be on CCTV. We don't exactly know. Your child might have bitten the finger off hers or something truly dreadful although it seems very unlikely.

Dodo76 Sat 22-Feb-14 16:40:38

Also, there was no queue to get in. Everyone was stressed, I am sure, but it does not excuse verbally and physically assaulting someone.

Dodo76 Sat 22-Feb-14 16:45:05

I was watching from a few metres away. It wasn't possible to be much closer as there were numerous children nor did I feel it was necessary to stand immediately over them!!! I was about 6ft away.

youarewinning Sat 22-Feb-14 16:48:24

I can't believe people are actually blaming you accusing you of escalating it. I have no issue with anyone telling my ds off if he warrants it. However is a busy science museum a 5 yo who forgets themself and then gives back a toy when requested does not warrant screaming and pointing in their face.

In fact there is no excuse to do that whatever had happened.

Quixo Sat 22-Feb-14 16:49:30

Hi OP, I have had a couple of encounters with wildly abusive people in the past. People who have no ability to react appropriately or who smash and scream without due cause etc etc. It always leaves me feeling really horrible and it plays on my mind. I have left a complaint or reported the incident as a way of getting it out of my system. I hope you feel better and I am sure over time, if this woman does this enough, she'll learn the hard way.
Science museum, at half term though....nutter. smile

Dodo76 Sat 22-Feb-14 16:53:23

Thanks Quixo and everyone else for the supportive messages. I must have been very naive but I have really never encountered this before. Yes people can be tetchy and we are all protective of our kids but this was just utterly bizarre and I feel oddly violated. I keep going over it in my head and it's frustrating as there is nothing I could have done differently other than not go! Lesson learnt, never ever again. As for this woman, I cannot believe this has not happened before with her and that she has a record.

RedHelenB Sat 22-Feb-14 16:56:42

You COULD have done something different, but as you are not listening to anyone who isn't saying there there then this situation could easily arise again. And I'd worry for your son when he is older if he goes in all guns blazing in a pub situation - could well end up being glassed!

Redhelen. Words fail me at your inability to read the op. End up being glassed my arse....

ProphetOfDoom Sat 22-Feb-14 17:03:03

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Well done op for reporting this. Sounds horrible.

moldingsunbeams Sat 22-Feb-14 17:05:50

im willing to lay bets that he didn't just gently catch her hand as he handed it back seeing he had snatched it away in the first place which you didn't see happen despite watching.
I have been that parent a billion times who's child has been knocked about, pushed, had stuff taken or hit my child as dd has sn and is a pushover sad then been told their little johnny wouldn't do such a thing. We stopped going out at busy times to such places after dd was smashed over the head with massive duplo blocks by a seven year old and ended up in hospital while the mother said they were just being kids (he had also spat in her face)


and basically lose the plot.

BUT
I have always reported and she was v v wrong to push you.

HumphreyCobbler Sat 22-Feb-14 17:06:45

RedHelen, that is utter bollocks.

OP, it probably WON'T ever happen to you again, you seem to have encountered someone with a real problem knowing how to behave around other people. They are not that common.

SirChenjin Sat 22-Feb-14 17:07:14

Oh do shut up Redhelen - you are making a complete tit of yourself.

moldingsunbeams Sat 22-Feb-14 17:08:23

sorry dont know why a sentense is in wrong place, basically she was v v wrong to scream at you and push you despite the fact its bloody annoying when its always your kids who are the target

Nerfmother Sat 22-Feb-14 17:16:52

Op no one has the right to push you at all. That's a bit close to victim blaming tbh. However we choose to deal with things, physical aggression is wrong.
It must be museum rage week though.
On Thursday, I was trying to keep an umbrella up and exit the hates at the British museum (we'd been evacuated). I felt a huge, deliberate push (not a knock) and was stunned to see it was an elderly chap. I told dd, which he may have heard. We crossed over, and were in front of him and his old man mates, at which point he started saying loudly, 'that stupid woman kept poking with her unbrella' (we are talking seconds between umbrella and shove).
I turned round and told him not to be so bloody rude, and that he'd shoved me, at which point he delighted in ranting loudly at my being a stupid woman etc etc and finished with
a triumphant 'and you're ugly!'
I was equally devasted by the lack of interest from passers by, by his friends who didn't attempt to stop him, and have been so upset by the whole thing - I wish I'd bloody told the museum police.
So I can totally get where you are now. Confrontation is bewildering and horrible, with no real conclusion.

FamiliesShareGerms Sat 22-Feb-14 17:19:03

I was there yesterday too, and it was enough to drive any sane person to the limit, but physically abusing someone is one of those lines you just don't cross, isn't it.

Not sure the police will take it any further, but I'd be in contact with the Science Museum on Mon (when it is a little calmer) and see what their record says and if they are willing to share details of the other woman with the police.

Guitargirl Sat 22-Feb-14 17:20:18

I know the area you mean, it is virtually impossible to stand right next to your child when it's very busy without squashing a lot of orange-jacketed small people trying to play with the water.

I have been the parent of children who get the boats snatched from them. I know how stressy it can get. I usually tut and passive aggressively talk loudly about bossy children who can't wait their turn - while their parents totally ignore me...! And then we try a different area. Now that my DCs are a bit older they are old enough to say 'no, don't snatch, please' and my PA-tactics are not called into use as much.

But I wouldn't dream of actually pushing a parent! And I don't believe for a minute that there is no CCTV in that area. Probably best to just let it go and chalk it up as a bad day out - and hope you don't run into that woman again...

sara11272 Sat 22-Feb-14 17:28:16

OP, I feel for you. This sort of thing is horrible.

Something similar happened to me a while ago - 3 DCs and I were watching my husband compete in a triathlon. I stood next to a woman (and remember specifically telling my children to make sure they didn't get in her way), moved in front of her for maybe 2 seconds to try and get the attention of a steward, and she proceeded to shout at me for standing in front of her and because my DCs (who must be all of 3 foot tall) were 'blocking her view'.

I told her how unnecessary her behavious was, but you do start to doubt yourself and wonder if you were being entitled/ not making your children behave etc.

But afterwards two other women came up to me, separately, to say they'd seem what had happened and that she'd behaved equally irrationally towards them.

So while it's horrid - I'm still getting shaky thinking about it now: I hate confrontation - it did make me think that some people are clearly just a bit unhinged and you can't do anything about them - so best not to waste your energy thinking about them.

I had an encounter with a woman in canary wharf. She accused me of barging into her DCs - I wasn't near her DCs - it was total crap. My DS was really scared and I was shocked and handled it really badly because I got upset and offended.

It was horrible and stayed with me for ages as I'm not confrontational. It was shock to be the target of such anger and hatred. She was posh, entitled and took her bad day out on me.

Try and forget it. Sooner the better. There are some twats out there. There's no talking to them.

OldBagWantsNewBag Sat 22-Feb-14 17:39:19

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youarewinning Sat 22-Feb-14 17:58:47

I cannot believe anyone thinks the reaction to seeing a banshee screaming in your child's face and wagging a finger in it is to actually ask what the child has done.

That stance actually assimilates that the woman was justified in doing so.

Ok the child may have taken the boat and may have given it back grudgingly. A simple sharp word or taking the child to their parent is what is required.

It may take a village to raise a child but a village of thugs will not raise children who can deal with difficult situations appropriately.

CalamityKate Sat 22-Feb-14 18:16:34

Redhelen - you're reallllly weird confused

K8Middleton Sat 22-Feb-14 18:22:21

Sounds awful sad I am very surprised at the staff not being better. I was there last week and it was quite chaotic as would be expected but the staff were very good at managing all the numpties wheeling their empty buggy into the play area knocking over small children and then parking it in the way of the activities. There were also regular announcements.

I am not surprised that there was a woman there who did not know how to behave but I am sad nobody came forward to help you or gave a statement.

Awful experience and you have done the right thing to report it. Hope you can put it behind you now.

Lifeisaboxofchocs Sat 22-Feb-14 18:23:15

Screaming and jabbing her finger at my DS.

I would love to say differently, but I would have caused a scene. How dare she? I know my DS well enough to know that nothing, at 3 years old with me a few metres away, could he have possibly done that would have waranted that woman to behave like that.

Op, I think you showed remarkable restraint to be perfectly honest.

RedHelenB Sat 22-Feb-14 18:24:54

What's weird about suggesting you ask what the matter is first?

mollythetortoise Sat 22-Feb-14 18:26:45

I was there too between noon and 1pm only. We avoided the basement play place though as thankfully my children have got too old grin. Anyway I can contest to the fact it was heaving.
At south ken tube a women witha young girl was having screaming fit at another family for ,from what i could tell, was the crime of slowing down her passage through the buggy gate. Maybe same woman!?

RedHelenB Sat 22-Feb-14 18:27:17

I also think telling anyone how unnecessary their behaviour is is red rag to a bull!

AnitaManeater Sat 22-Feb-14 18:28:04

So sorry that happened to you, I'd be really upset and angry! I'm glad you have reported it. Even if no charges come of it, it will hopefully make that woman think twice about doing it again and get the help she obviously needs.

K8Middleton Sat 22-Feb-14 18:28:14

I would imagine Helen it's because if someone is as unhinged enough to scream and jab their finger at a small child they are probably not going to be able to engage on a reasonable level?

I would take action to help my child and then ask questions later if someone was being abusive towards my children. Surely that's what any sensible parent would do?

RedHelenB Sat 22-Feb-14 18:29:35

yes, exactly - you'd take your child away from the scene not escalate it!

cansu Sat 22-Feb-14 18:31:07

tbh i think the police have much more serious stuff to deal with than a woman shouting at you and pushing you in a public place. I can understand you were upset but you are over reacting a tad.

K8Middleton Sat 22-Feb-14 18:32:29

I don't know. I think I might have a visceral reaction that would almost be beyond my control. That is to say I might find I have shouted at her to leave my child alone before I got to the child.

I honestly just don't know how I would react but the op was not in the wrong to react as she did.

RedHelenB Sat 22-Feb-14 18:35:15

Telling a 5 year old off for snatching & hurting her child is not unreasonable, I bet if the shoe was on the other foot then OP would have done the same. It was busy, so by all accounts her voice would have had to be loud.

RedHelenB Sat 22-Feb-14 18:37:22

BTW, she definitely should not have pushed OP as i have said before.

I had an old guy have a go at me the other week over absolutely nothing - some people are just like that & all i would say is sometimes it is better to let things go imo.

RedHelenB Sat 22-Feb-14 18:39:38

All the OP had to do was switch round the asking what he had done & the asking not to scream at him & I think none of the rest would have followed, that is the point I'm trying to make.

MikeLitoris Sat 22-Feb-14 18:40:14

I dont think it is an overreaction to involve the police. That woman needs to understand that pushing another person is never acceptable. What kind of lesson is she teaching her dc?

I have a family member that was pushed from behind leaving a shop. He fell forward and smashed his face on a curb. He has had 3 lots of surgery and has not been able to work since (18 months).

SirChenjin Sat 22-Feb-14 18:41:46

She is perfectly entitled to say "can you please not scream at him and waive your finger in his face". The woman who then took it upon herself to push the OP hard is the one who should be being held to account, not the OP and not her son who is in danger of being glassed in a pub hmm

K8Middleton Sat 22-Feb-14 18:46:46

Telling a 5 year old off for snatching & hurting her child is not unreasonable, I bet if the shoe was on the other foot then OP would have done the same. It was busy, so by all accounts her voice would have had to be loud.

I don't know where you have got the idea this is what happened Helen? It doesn't say that in any of the op's posts.

OldBagWantsNewBag Sat 22-Feb-14 19:03:25

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lljkk Sat 22-Feb-14 19:05:43

I wouldn't pursue it as assault.

I don't think OP did anything to deserve such treatment & the screeching woman sounds completely unhinged, but there are some better ways to put things behind you than others. Pursing this as "assault" sounds like a nightmare to me.

I don't care if pushed is a "crime"; it's a ridiculous modern convention to call that assault; OP hasn't mentioned that she fell over & broke her arm as a result of the push, has she? Annoying, but there are better ways to move on.

AwfulMaureen Sat 22-Feb-14 19:08:30

OP did NOTHING wrong Arabella when she told the woman to stop shouting ....why assume her child was in the wrong? I would do the same as she did and then ask what happened. The woman sounds mad as a box of frogs op. Try to think that maybe she'd just received terrible news which knocked her off balance or something....

SirChenjin Sat 22-Feb-14 19:12:26

A ridiculous modern convention??! What nonsense.

It's classed as assault in law.

KingR0llo Sat 22-Feb-14 19:13:49

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KingR0llo Sat 22-Feb-14 19:15:48

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Reincarnatedpig Sat 22-Feb-14 19:15:49

I was at the Science Museum today and can see why people go unhinged there. Of course this woman's behaviour was unacceptable and no normal person would behave like that. The police will not do anything unless there are obvious injuries though. TBH you will achieve very little from pursuing it, just forget it as best you can and move on.

SirChenjin Sat 22-Feb-14 19:18:49

It's not an overreaction at all. Being pushed is assault, pure and simple - it's not 'bad manners'.

KingR0llo Sat 22-Feb-14 19:20:40

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Dodo76 Sat 22-Feb-14 19:22:12

It is most definitely assault and a really scary awful experience that I would never want to happen again. I am completely shaken and spent most of last night in tears with DSs asking me why I am crying. Yes it may be an overreaction to report it to the police but I felt a lot better after doing it, like I had taken control of the situation. I honestly think that whatever I had said to this woman, even if an apology, then nothing would have stopped her screaming at me and shoving me. And yes, it took a huge amount of restraint not to shove her back but I didn't because I would simply never cross that line! I have never hit an adult and it would't occur to me to do so. I have also never screamed at another child and would never dream of doing so. The most I think I have done is ask a child to stop what they are doing if hurting my child and ask where the parent is. Usual course is for the parent to come over, you jointly establish who did what, the child in the wrong apologies and all is fine. Whatever DS1 did, the minute she starts screaming and shouting at him and thrusting her fingernail in his face, she becomes in the wrong. What is also scary is the way she just didn't calm down afterwards as I thought/hoped she would do, she just kept ranting on about me being a terrible parent.

Dodo76 Sat 22-Feb-14 19:26:57

And yes, I do have a lot of other things going on ATM which are making me upset/anxious including my dad having died recently and ongoing issues with my abusive ex DH not to mention massive stress from working full time and being a single parent which is probably why it feels massively unfair then when I take one precious day off work to spend with my kids something like this happens. The day was topped off by my journey home when I got off the tube at my stop and was carrying DS2 as he had fallen asleep and asked DS1 to carry DS2's scooter which he did but then started riding it on the platform at which point a booming voice yelled out CAN YOU NOT RIDE YOUR SCOOTER ON THE PLATFORM. Great day NOT. I will barricade myself in the house in future.

TribbleWithoutATardis Sat 22-Feb-14 19:27:26

Dodo its unacceptable that a grown woman acts like that in public, to be frank I applaud you for reporting it to the police. For those that say the police have better things to do, what the hell?! Even if all the other party gets is a flea in their ear by a beat bobby it should be hammered home that they do not have the right to assault someone in public.

KingR0llo Sat 22-Feb-14 19:30:28

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Dodo76 Sat 22-Feb-14 19:31:58

Thanks Tribble. I feel better having reported it although I'm sure nothing will come of it. The police were great/very understanding. I cannot believe this woman has not behaved like this on other occasions. Much better to have logged it.

Dodo it's really shit. Being a parent and out entertaining your DCs can be stressful enough without other parents making it worse.

flowers

Dodo76 Sat 22-Feb-14 19:33:10

Sauce, I honestly wish I had stayed at work then none of this would have happened. Perhaps a lesson for the future - try to do less.

Burma Sat 22-Feb-14 19:37:34

It does sound very upsetting and ending up with being yelled at on the platform would turn me into a hermit too sad. Try and put it behind you and just think the bloody planets must have all been in the wrong place last week and hopefully will be better aligned next week thanks.

I was upset for ages and I was just insulted. I understand why you're crying and posting on here. Pour yourself a drink. You know what happened, you know she was unreasonable. Feb half term is hard work because of weather and crowds in main attractions.

We were on big Christmas Day out and it was shit. I'd worked so hard preparing for it.

Next time my DCs get TV all day and crisps.

HandMini Sat 22-Feb-14 19:41:12

Dodo - well done you for getting out there and doing something nice with your DSs. Rest assured that they will be a lot less bothered about this incident than you are. I would not report...put it behind you. This woman is a nutcase - just unfortunate that you crossed her path.

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter Sat 22-Feb-14 20:08:08

I had a woman accuse me of 'hitting her with a metal pole' at the top of her voice in a packed train station ticket office. My crime? I'd went through the turnstyle before her and it had jammed on her! confused

Some people are ticking time bombs. You did nothing wrong to warrant that OP.

cakebar Sun 23-Feb-14 09:18:03

Things like this sit with me and make me feel uneasy for a long time so I do symphathise OP. There are some horrible, over aggressive people out there. You do say there's nothing you could have done differently but I think there are things you can do to de-escalate situations like these. You went straight up and told her not to shout and wave her finger at your ds which is confrontational. What if you had said 'what's happening here?', she would have ranted about snatching and hitting, you could have said 'oh dear, we'll move over here' and made quick exit steering DS. It is best to just get yourself away and to a safe place. I find it hard to imagine she would have chased after you and shoved you then.

You then have a chat with DS about how some people are not nice and it's best to steer clear. I wouldn't have replied - just you said there was no way to avoid the push, and like redhelenB up thread (who has been slated) I think there are things you can do to minimise conflict.

blueshoes Sun 23-Feb-14 10:12:13

Hi OP, I totally understand. I would have been upset too. No one can fault you for standing up for your ds. I am not sure I would have been as restrained as you tbh, certainly if I had my way that woman would have been gutted and her insides thrown into the fountain.

Being shoved would have provoked something quite visceral and unsettled me no end. It is not something I would do nor witness and to have it done to me would have crossed many many boundaries in my mind. I don't live like an animal and don't expect to share my space with an animal either. And God forbid if anyone threatened my dc.

She is a nutter.

Do report to the police. Even if it is useless, it does offer some closure. I have unfair things done to me in my life and I have always felt better to write a formal complaint or made a police report. In these instances, I don't live and let live. That's for cowards and people (like those gawpers spectators at the fountain) who look the other way. Well done you.

I hope the rest of your personal life settles down and your ds was not too upset.

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