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Lying in family court

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angryangryyoungwoman Tue 07-Jun-16 18:24:25

My ex has written various malicious, completely untrue things on the court application form for child contact. These will all be proven to be untrue once we are at court but in the meantime, the stress of these accusations will be having their effects on me and my family. I just wanted to know, and hopefully be reassured by other peoples experiences if you don't mind, on how the court will treat someone who has made deliberately false accusations. Will it have an impact on child contact? My ex has shown himself to be a liar on many occasions in the past which will be evidenced as well but I just can't believe that someone willing to make up such awful things would get away with it once in court. As I said, he will be proven to be a liar but is there any punishment at all given by the court? Anyone have any experience?
For background, he is verbally and mentally abusive, he has damaged property and contact has been stopped because of this, harassment and emotional abuse of dd.
The allegations he is making are of non existent physical abuse of him by myself and family, my substance abuse, and he is accusing a member of my family of having child pornography.
I am speaking to women's aid and they said malicious accusations are common in family court from men who have been abusive.
It will obviously reflect badly on him in court but I just wanted to see if anyone has experienced similar and what the outcome was.
Cafcass are going to do a section 7 report, which I welcome, as my dd is safe, well and happy and the cafcass officer does seem balanced and kind. I'm just really upset today that this nasty man is trying to do anything he can to cause trouble. Will he get away with it?

angryangryyoungwoman Tue 07-Jun-16 19:36:17

Hopeful bump

Ladyleia Tue 07-Jun-16 20:42:20

I don't know anything about this but just wanted to say that I hope the court case comes quickly. Must be very hard knowing that lies are being told about you and you can't do anything about it until the case comes to court flowers

angryangryyoungwoman Tue 07-Jun-16 20:44:08

Thank-you ladyleia for your kind words. My family and I am finding it very difficult. Thank-you.

Pisssssedofff Tue 07-Jun-16 20:45:23

Honestly nobody cared, my ex lied then admitted he was lying and the most that was said to him was remember this is a court and everything is recorded. That was it. Fairly major lie too that I'd been prosecuted for assault

angryangryyoungwoman Tue 07-Jun-16 21:26:50

I can't believe that anyone can say anything they like and get away with it but that seems to be the case shock

Pisssssedofff Tue 07-Jun-16 21:32:28

Yeah this how it is, don't lower yourself to their standards but as the judge said to me, don't let the truth hurt you either

1ofthosedays Wed 08-Jun-16 09:49:23

DPs ex repeatedly lied in court about absolutely everything. She obviously couldn't back up those lies and was often caught out in the lie with evidence he provided.
There was no penalty but it was all recorded. He has been involved in continuous court cases with her for years for numerous reasons and her lies have ultimately counted against her. Although each case is separate, they had the same judge throughout and by the end of it the judge was very short tempered with her, recorded all her lies (and when he had dismissed them) as evidence as why he believed she was purposefully frustrating a relationship between parent/child in their most recent order to paint a full picture of the situation and DP was eventually awarded a lot more then what he expected off the back of it.
Although the lies are horrible to hear, it can only count against them when found out and although no 'formal' punishment, it could mean your ex will have reduced contact time etc

angryangryyoungwoman Wed 08-Jun-16 17:08:45

Thank-you 1ofthosedays, that is very helpful

Essex81 Wed 08-Jun-16 19:30:46

My ex has lied continually through out and even when found out still carried on lying!! Just gets away with it!!. Makes me so angry.

angryangryyoungwoman Wed 08-Jun-16 20:14:15

It is clear that people have had very different experiences dealing with liars, it seems to depend on the judge....

TimeforaNNChange Wed 08-Jun-16 22:34:36

I had false allegations made about me in family court by DHs exW a few years ago.

I was not party to the proceedings so could not refute them.

CAFCASS stated there was no evidence to support the claims in their report but could not dismiss them as false.

It's not pleasant.

user1464519881 Thu 09-Jun-16 06:36:21

If he gives evidence (under oath) or puts in a witness statement promisnig it is true in theory he can be jailed for it. Lord Archer was jailed for lying under oath and so was another politician - Aitken. Yet in the cases on this thread no one was which perhaps proves the opposite of the saying there is one law for the rich - here the rich seem to get jailed for lying in court and all these abusive spouses of ordinary people don't!

angryangryyoungwoman Thu 09-Jun-16 08:43:55

That is a really interesting point user1464519881, I think it's probably because family court has been held in secret in the past

angryangryyoungwoman Thu 09-Jun-16 08:45:57

TimeforaNNChange, it's appalling that claims can be made that can't be proven either way so there is a shadow left by them.

Pisssssedofff Thu 09-Jun-16 09:19:32

It's more about the fact that nobody has any respect for courts because they are a bloody joke.

user1464519881 Thu 09-Jun-16 19:44:54

We have one of the best systems of justice on the planet although I am not saying the courts are perfect. I do think most family disputes should be anywhere near a court and we will have to move the system to be away from court much more than is now. Actually there have been some prosecutions of people who are not well off who lied - I am thinking of cases where someone cries rape but is lying or perverts the course of justice but I expect all these contempt of court cases are expensive to bring so they just cannot investigate and prosecute them all. I did see today two jurors who broke the rules were prosecuted for contempt of court.

user1472305808 Sat 27-Aug-16 15:37:25

Hi All I'm new to this but my ex is taking me back to court for the 2nd time. He took me to court when daughter was 2years old suggesting I had stopped him from seeing her. Yet to be proven to have lied. Then after I drew arrangements up with court he never stuck to them. Therefore being absent for long periods of time to date. Now he's at it again. Only my daughter is now 8 with no relationship her father- devoid of emotion. Ex has put a application in to suggest once again I am stopping him. His statements are completely contradicting. He says he has access every other weekend which has been stopped for no reason, yet never has there been any arrangement of alternate weekends. We went to court, he got solicitor last minute which left me very under hand. Had three awful magistrates that had been presented with statements like they'd asked for. But yet never read. And the long and short of it is they have just allowed themselves to believe that he's always had access. Very far from the truth. I have now had to get a solicitor and we go back in October. I feel massively let down by the magistrates, says this is all in child's best interests yet they have told me I have to force her... It would be like forcing her with a stranger! It's massively desires sing because you are trying to encourage your child but go against her wishes, she wants nothing to do with him. I want to support her but he's trying to make it look like I'm an obstruction. My statement has been truth and on oath and his has been complete lies. If only magistrates had read our statements it would have been clear. My youngest daughter has a different dad, we separated a few years ago and we have a great friendship and my youngest sees him every other weekend. Does this not prove I'm not a controlling mother. The father of my youngest did a statement on behalf of me as he knows the ex is a complete liar. Also knows how my eldest feels about her biological dad. Yet no statements have been read. Do I get a solicitor or do I get a barrister. Because I'm constantly in tears for how unfair and unjust this all is for my daughter. Both my girls live a very privileged lifestyle which I alone provide. How do you force a 8year old mature girl to go to somewhere she cries about going. She doesn't trust him at all. Any advice would be great guys. This is the hardest emotionally draining thing I've ever had to witness. Emily smile

Atenco Sat 27-Aug-16 15:55:15

OP, sorry I have nothing useful to add, but user1472305808, surely you should get a child psychologist's report.

user1472305808 Sat 27-Aug-16 17:36:24

Atenco... I have suggested a partial section seven so they here my daughters feelings in this. She's old enough to have a voice surely. This is a lazy fathers way to parenthood. Just wants to pay money for a court case and make it about me when it should be the child. It's horrible knowing my daughters feelings and sitting back feeling helpless

user1472305808 Sat 27-Aug-16 17:37:05

Sorry hear'

Atenco Sat 27-Aug-16 18:07:42

user1472305808 it might be useful for you to start your own thread

harrypotternerd Sat 03-Sep-16 06:58:25

I just wanted to say I know how you feel. I have court on Monday and my ex has continually lied about me. My barrister says its common. I hope the judge can see through the lies, we have gathered as much proof that he lied as possible. Good Luck

user1472305808 Sat 03-Sep-16 11:37:15

Harrypotternerd - how com you used a barrister and not a solicitor? Also can I ask go old you child in the case is? I want someone to speak to my child. She will validate everything as an innocent child would then his lies could be put to bed. I'm very much in the middle of this, relaying her feelings to the court which gives him the excuse to use me as the problem!

harrypotternerd Sun 04-Sep-16 00:43:14

user1472305808 - i have a solicitor but she asked a barrister to represent me in court. I'm in Australia and having a barrister who specialises in family law can lead to a favourable outcome. Ask for an independent childrens lawyer. They act for the children only. My solicitor also asked for an assessment to be done on both my ex and me. The boys are 4 and 3 but the people doing the assessment also spoke to my older 2 kids (aged 9 and 8) about what it was like with my ex etc. They told them that they were scared of him and that he doesnt supervise them around dogs or outside and he hit and kicked them.

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