Anyone just started/about to start IVF? Join me for support.

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Shellster52 Wed 20-Nov-13 03:05:08

Tomorrow will be day one of my cycle and I will start IVF for the third time.

I know there are already IVF threads, but there are so many people and it moves so fast. So I thought I would start one for women who just started IVF or are just about to start, so there is a smaller group and messages do not get overlooked. Hopefully this will help us feel supported and remain sane (and hopefully a bit calmer to help our odds?!)

About me: TTC just over two long years. Found out hubby has 100% abnormal sperm morphology. Move on to IVF. First IVF I discovered I am a poor responder and only had two mature follicles and one egg retrieved (they forgot the other!!!!). Embryo disintegrated before day two transfer. IVF 2 I did the estrogen priming protocol after reading it was good for poor responders, along with higher dose of injections. Got 5 eggs, 4 were mature and injected with sperm, 3 fertilised but one was abnormal. The reamining two embryos were at two cell stage on day two, but they like to see them at four cell stage by day two. Both transferred at day two. I read many stories of women having success with day two embryos still at two cell stage but BFN for me.

Have since been taking Aspirin in the hope that I get more eggs this round. Have also been taking DHEA in the hope that the embryo quality is improved, but with hubbys sperm issue and junk food habits, I wonder if he is largely responsible for poor embryo quality.

Olive324 Wed 20-Nov-13 21:01:41

Hi, good to find someone at the same stage as me! ( I think you are anyway. ) This is my first cycle of IVF so everything is a bit scary. Been sniffing super cur for two weeks and did my first injection of something or other today so I believe I am day one too? I had quite a restless night because I was dreading having to inject myself ( despite having practiced on a lemon). It really wasn't bad at all.
We've been TTC for two year but I'm about to turn 36 so I think it's all happened quite quickly. I'm one of the ' there's no reason why you can't get pregnant group... You're just not' so I'm hoping that this might work first time. Well, you can hope can't you!

Hope your IVF cycle works this time and it would be great to share as I am really quite bewildered by all this at the moment. Not looking forward to egg retrieval in a few weeks but it is all for a good cause :-)

Shellster52 Thu 21-Nov-13 03:38:35

Hey Olive.

I have never done the sniffing thing. I took estrogen tablets from day 20 last cycle and just did my first injections today too. I am doing two types of medications so I do two injections everyday. Yeah, the first injection is a bit scary but they actually don't hurt at all. The emotional turmoil is the killer.

If it's any reassurance, the egg retrieval was absolutely fine for me. No pain afterwards whatsoever. However as I said - it's all the emotional stuff. After my fist IVF when they told me they only collected one egg, I couldn't wait to get out of the hospital to have a cry!

We seem similar as I just turned 36 a few months ago too. Although my AMH levels are much lower than for someone my age so my ovaries don't agree with my age!

Have you ever had your AMH tested or had any ultrasounds to count your follicles to give you an indication of how IVF will go or did they just give you a standard amount of medication based on your age? When is your next appointment to find out how things are going? Are you getting this IVF funded under NHS?

Must be frustrating to not have a reason why it isn't happening naturally. Whatever the cause - hopefully this IVF is the answer for both of us!

Olive324 Thu 21-Nov-13 07:08:25

Hi shellster
I find it amazing that depending which consultant you see the processes seem to be so different. I know what you mean about the emotions. At the moment I'm quite positive as I feel we are doing something different instead of the same old thing which isn't working. Not sure how I will feel a few days before Christmas when we find out if it worked or not. Could be a good Christmas..... Or a depressing one.
I don't know what my AMH levels are and I assume they gave me the regular medication. I have had a few blood tests and the dye scan thing and I had the first scan to see if my cycle had shut down on Tuesday. The clinic seems really good so far. As this is our first cycle it is fully funded and they are going to freeze the extra eggs so that if we need to do it again I don't need to go through egg collection again. They are also doing the thing where they force the sperm into the egg at the same time. I have been really surprised how fast things have been set up.
Anyway, just done my second injection. Do they give you headache? Don't know if this is from the drugs or not.
Anyway, have a good Day keep positive!

elvista Fri 22-Nov-13 10:45:31

Hi. Very glad to have found this. I am on day 3 of injections and have been sniffing for 3 weeks. It's our first round of IVF. It's been ok until the nurse started about my weight- I am at their upper end so had a melt down when I left the clinic. Haven't had many side effects but have been drinking lots of water and eat a low carb/low sugar diet. Saying that I am paranoid that few side effects mean that drugs aren't working.

Know what you mean about the results coming before Christmas. At times I find myself questioning the wisdom of doing this now. ;-) But it's important to stay positive. Best of luck!

Shellster52 Fri 22-Nov-13 12:20:15

Elvista
It felt nice to hear you say you are glad to have found this. So happy to have set this up if it is helpful to you (and me!). I am on day two of injections so the three of us are all at the same place give or take a day or two. I am 3 kilograms above what I should be for my BMI healthy weight. But I have been eating very healthy most of the time. Hopefully you feel better after the nurses insensitive comment. It makes sense for the clinic to mention to you three months ago to give you some motivation to lose weight as you prepare for IVF. What is the point mentioning that now that you are already going ahead with IVF?
You sound like you are eating healthy so your body (eggs) are getting all the nutrition from your blood stream to be healthy! In the lead up to IVF, did you ever had your AMH tested or had any ultrasounds to count your follicles to give you an indication of how IVF will go? I am a poor responder so I just wonder if we are in the same boat

Erilou
What do you mean by the scan to see if your cycle had shut down. How many days after your period arrived was that? Did they count your antral (baby follicles?). I have never got any headache from the drugs.

Me
I had my day 3 scan today. I usually only have 6-7 antral follicles, meaning that I don't get many eggs. Today, I had 14! I was so excited. But I have to come back down to earth and tell myself not to get too excited in case this doesn't work out so I don't fall too hard. Most people have at least 14 follicles and there is still only a 15-20% chance. But it is a good start.

Olive324 Fri 22-Nov-13 13:45:41

Hiishellster,

The sniffing drugs shut down your cycle and make you go into a menopausal state. The scan shows if this has happened and that the lining is thin. The next day you start the injections which grow the follicles. This is day one. That is as I understand it anyway.

Elvista, nice to meet you. Glad we can all keep each other company on here. Looks like you are at the exact same point as I am!

Olive324 Fri 22-Nov-13 13:46:59

By the way, congratulations shellster! I don't get a 3 day scan. Mine is on day 10. How can things be so different??

Shellster52 Fri 22-Nov-13 23:20:08

I guess there are many different IVF protocols. I have chosen the one that I think suits considering my poor response to my previous IVF's. So when was your last period Olive? Do you start the sniffing thing at a certain stage of your cycle?

I didn't get a day one scan so I suppose my day 3 scan is similar to your day one scan. So your next update will be a day 10 scan which will be 26th Nov. Look forward to hearing how it is all going. Mine will be the day after yours.

Olive324 Fri 22-Nov-13 23:38:12

I started the sniffing drugs on day 21 of my cycle. Period started on day 28 I think. I started injecting on Wednesday so my scan is on the 29th . I think they see if the follicles have developed at that point.

elvista Sat 23-Nov-13 07:41:01

Shellster- thanks for your comments. I am feeling better about it all today. Sat down with a friend and came up with a super healthy eating plan. It is likely that my response won't be great as only one of my ovaries works although my AMH levels are not too low relatively speaking, so I see that as a positive. Congratulations on scan results. Fingers crossed for the next stage!

Olive-i think the IVF protocol we're doing is v similar to yours. I started injecting on Wed and have a scan on Tuesday.

Erilou-drink loads of water for the headaches. It really does help.

How is everyone getting on with the injections? I thought it would be really difficult and it isn't too bad. It's the timing that's a pita. I don't feel confident enough to do them on the move because of finding somewhere private enough and what to do with the needle after. So all evening activities are based around injection time.

Have a lovely weekend everyone!

Olive324 Sat 23-Nov-13 08:00:42

Glad you are feeling more positive elvista. I feel even getting to the stage of IVF is a great thing and ups our chances no end.
I've found the injections ok. As I said previously, I was dreading them but the injecting bit is fine. It's getting all the liquid from one bottle to another and drawing it up into the shringe which I find tricky. My husband had been helping me with that but I did it all myself for the first time today ( applause please!! ) because he was still asleep. I have to do mine in a morning so have been setting my alarm super early. I think this is excellent training if I were ever to become a drug addict. I am now sniffing drugs 4 times a day and self injecting. :-)
Enjoy the weekend ( alcohol free of course :-(

Eggsiseggs Sat 23-Nov-13 13:15:09

Hi all, can I join in?
Am just waiting for my next p (due start of Dec) to start injecting (short cycle).
For some reason, no down regging for me (why would this be?)
Excited, nervous, but mostly wondering how the hell I am going to fit this in around Christmas and my job!

Good luck, all.

Olive324 Sat 23-Nov-13 19:11:40

Hi eggiseggs. Glad you can join. Is this your first IVF? It is mine. Do you start injecting at the start of your period? I don't know why you don't need the pre injection drugs but everyone on here seems to be doing something slightly different. There doesnt appear to be just one type of IVF.
The injections are not bad so don't worry. Let's hope we all have something to celebrate this Christmas.

Shellster52 Sun 24-Nov-13 02:14:40

Hi Eggsi. I think I have seen your name on other threads. Either way - welcome here! Is this your first IVF or are have you had a few previous attempts (like me). Some people seem very positive at the start of IVF as it is trying something new and there is hope that this is the new solution. I am kinda in a different place after two previous failures. So just wondering where you are at. Have you been given any sort of diagnosis as to what is going wrong?

So I guess that answers your question Elvista when you ask how everyone is getting on with their injections - I am an old pro at it now - It's the BFP factor that I would like to be a new experience! You sound like you have a very good friend to help get you through this if she is happy to sit and listen to your concerns and come up with a healthy eating plan with you. Glad your AMH is okay considering your one ovary works. Mine was a shockingly low 2.5 when I got tested at 34 - and now I am 36! So I guess we are kinda in the same boat in that I will probably get the same amount of eggs as your one ovary with my two ovaries! Is this why you are going through IVF - or I guess you must have other issues because your one ovary still works well and would not stop you conceiving naturally? How long have you been trying to conceive?

Sorry for so many questions. Just so nice to be able to chat with others going through this.

Eggsiseggs Sun 24-Nov-13 09:48:43

Hi folks,
Yes, I have tried (and failed!) to keep posting here before. Bit of denial, I think - turns out I have an issue clicking on 'infertility'! Am sure we all know what it feels like to make great friends on a regular ttc thread, then realise from other boards that they are now on their second baby (happily).

Also, I was waiting to start treatment and was in a bit of limbo, so felt a bit of a fraud with people who were in the middle of it all. So I did the very mature thing and ignored it all! grin

This is my first round of IVF. I have PCOS so have messed around with metformin, clomid, and every holistic approach to it all! Been ttc for close to 5 years.

I am excited about starting treatment because it feels like staring the beast in the face with a war cry finally. I really didn't want to do it, as to us it is really the 'end game' so I always held it as the final solution, iyswim? And now the final solution has arrived I have, of course, had to acknowledge that it mightn't work. Sorry! I don't mean to be negative, but I can't usually go into something without having a solution for the worst case scenario.

Yes, folks, I am the ideal candidate for IVF: the control freak grin

Anyway, now that it is finally happening, I feel miles better and much more like myself? Charging at it crying 'ARGHHH! C'mon!!!' rather than wringing my hands and hiding tears and all that bollocks we've all been through as well, I am sure.

Apologies for the long and self-indulgent post there. It helps to write it down.

My understanding is that on day 1 of period, i go for a scan and start injecting stims. Am expecting to feel calmer and more same when this actually starts.

I have a feeling the more experienced thread members are thinking 'uh oh, this girl's in for a shock!'

Thanks for the welcome. Am here for the long haul this time xx

Eggsiseggs Sun 24-Nov-13 09:51:33

Oh, btw: am 34. Never cared about my age until IVF, and suddenly it is all important!

Shellster52 Sun 24-Nov-13 23:17:31

I know the feeling of the terrible 'I' word - infertility Eggsi. When I spoke to a friend about hubbys just diagnosed sperm issue and she used the word 'infertility' I went to bed feeling awful being put into that label. That was 11 months and two IVF's ago. For some reason, I now fully embrace it and feel like attacking it back head on.

I don't think you are being negative at all. I haven't mentioned it here because I know others are doing IVF for the first time and I remember feeling very positive towards my first IVF as though this was something new and at last a solution. And boy did I come crashing down when it failed. So now I like to have a plan B in my mind as a back up just in case plan A fails so I don't need to have myself committed!

I have to say if I was to be given an 'infertility' diagnosis, I wish it was PCOS. Not meaning to say you have it easy - I have very low AMH (and hence produce very few eggs through IVF). Those with PCOS have ample supply from not having ovulated naturally so I hope for you that means you have a higher success rate and don't have to worry about a back up plan after this IVF!

Olive, can I ask a question - just trying to understand how the sniffing thing works. So you say you have started the injections to grow your follicles, but you are still sniffing 4 times a day which is to shut down your ovaries?

Olive324 Mon 25-Nov-13 07:01:59

Hi, yes. I am still sniffing. As I understand it , my cycle has shut down but the drugs are making my follicles grow. On Friday I have a scan to see if they are ready, then I inject some other drugs to mature them and then a few days later have egg retrieval. Will find out more on Friday. Go to go to work now. Will be back later.

Eggsiseggs Mon 25-Nov-13 20:40:58

It is true - PCOS isn't a bad starting place, all told. We'll see!

And always with the Plan B: always! Over the past 5 years have almost sickened myself doing 'things people with babies can't do! See how LUCKY I am, really!' grin

I don't know much about the sniffing. All sounds illegal, doesn't it? Sniffing, injecting...

Hope you all had a lovely Monday.

Eggsiseggs Mon 25-Nov-13 20:43:13

And Olive - def hope we have something to celebrate (although will be NY for me now, I think!).

Just Christmas with the in laws to get through first. You nah see me on AIBU...

Shellster52 Tue 26-Nov-13 03:00:45

Don't quite understand that concept Eggsi - to be taking one drug to shut down your ovaries and another to make them grow. Obviously your clinic must know better than I do. As long as it works for you! Waiting to hear how you scan goes.

I have a scan very early tomorrow morning. I had 14 antral follicles at the start of this cycle which might not be many to the average lady but that was an amazing effort on behalf of my ovaries compared to other months. At last, the supplements are working! So I am very nervous about tomorrows scan and hope they are all growing. After two previous failed IVF's, I feel like I am holding my breath before each step thinking, okay is this the step where it is going to fail this time.

Has anyone else taken any other herbs or supplements in the lead up to and during IVF treatment? Or are there any other things anyone is doing this cycle that is supposed to up the chances? I would try anything - I would roll in cow manure if they told me it would work! Please just not another BFN.

Olive324 Tue 26-Nov-13 18:22:46

Hi shellster
I am continuing to take B complex( I usually spot so this is supposed to help with this) I mentioned it to the consultant and he was fine with me continuing with this. I am also taking bee pollen tablets. A friend of mine who has successfully had twins via IVF used it and reccomended it. It is supposed to improve the quality of your eggs in some way. I thought it wouldn't hurt to give it ago.

Shellster52 Tue 26-Nov-13 22:39:08

Thanks for the tip Olive. I am taking a pre natal which includes vitamin B and I am actually already taking royal jelly/bee pollen tablets as well! I hope they work for me as well as your friend who had twins!

I just had my scan this morning. I started the cycle with 7 baby follicles on my right ovary and 8 on my left. Today, I had 6 follicles growing nicely on my right ovary. But I only had 3 follicles growing on my left ovary, one of which was only tiny and doesn't count. I just don't understand why 5 of the follicles on my left ovary would fail to respond.

I am bitterly disappointed because I know that the success of IVF correlates very strongly with the number of eggs. Now this IVF seems to be following the path of my last failed IVF. I can only hope that the few eggs I do produce manage to make better quality embryo's this time but I am feeling very anxious about things now.

Waiting to hear how everyone elses scan goes!

Eggsiseggs Wed 27-Nov-13 05:40:20

Bee pollen, eh? Another thing to try, I guess! Can't hurt!

Oh Shellster, I can actually feel your anxiety! It's so difficult. Hopefully the follicles which are growing will be good quality and then: it only takes one.

Everything crossed for you.

JethroTull Wed 27-Nov-13 05:58:47

Shellster to give you some hope - I had my first round of IVF in dec/jan. I have ridiculously low AMH. Got 4 eggs. Only 2 fertilised. Only 1 got to day 3. He's here now. Grunts so loud he keeps me awake! My mantra throughout the process was It Only Takes One. The very best of luck.

suzylee73 Wed 27-Nov-13 08:59:06

I don't start my IVF until Jan/Feb but it's great following your journeys and learning new things. Thanks for sharing and I'm keeping my fingers crossed for us all x

Shellster52 Wed 27-Nov-13 11:05:13

Thanks for your words of understanding Eggsi. You are right - it only takes one. I have had 5 eggs fertilised in total in my previous to IVF's and obviously none were good quality as I am not pregnant. So I just don't know if 'one' is going to be different this cycle or if they are all going to be bad quality again. I wish I could just knock myself out until next Friday when I will find out about my embryo quality so I don't have to go through another week and a half of anxiousness!

This thread might turn you off starting IVF in December as you watch me turn into an emotional wreck over the course of the next week!

Shellster52 Thu 28-Nov-13 09:21:47

suzylee, glad you are able to learn from our journeys before you embark on your own. You are welcome here anytime smile

JethroTull, thanks so so much for sharing. Your story sounds very similar to mine with your low AMH and hence, low egg retrieval count. Guess I am just feeling negative because after two failed IVF's it is all I know. I am just expecting these embryo's to all be bad quality just like last time. I like your positive affirmation mantra.

I must stop doing such negative self talk and start my own positive mantra
"I have tried new things this round that have been proven to produce better quality embryo's - there is hope!"

So you are still lurking around these infertility forums - are you trying IVF for number two? Give a hug to your grunting bub from me smile

Olive324 Fri 29-Nov-13 17:50:44

Hi all,
I have just been for my day 10 scan today. They found 6 follicles on one side and 3 on the other. I was told this was good. They need to get bigger yet so they have doubled the dose of menopur and I have another scan on a monday. Think things went well. Anyone else had their scan today?

Shellster52 Sat 30-Nov-13 03:18:35

Glad to hear you feel things are going well for you Olive. Were your follicles all around the same size so that they will contain a mature egg at about the same time? What dose of the Menopur are you taking now?

I had a repeat scan yesterday and it looks like I will probably get 5 eggs. 6 if I am super lucky. I have my egg retrieval booked for Wednesday, 4th. I am just so anxious to get to next Friday to find out about the embryo quality as that is where things go wrong for me in my past IVF's.

I wish I could drink some wine to see me through til next Friday!

tinhtang Sat 30-Nov-13 06:34:08

Hi all, I'm so glad to find this blog. My husband and I are in the process of getting IVF starts. Im 28 and I had everything check out normal. My husband is 32 and has low sperm count and slow mobility as well.... I'd like to know how do you decide how many embryos to put in ? I really want to have 2 to increase my chances but my doc and husband are pretty against it since I'm too small to carry twin if we get lucky with our IVf ( I'm 5 feet and 90 lbs). I'm so desperate to be a mom but at the same time I dont want to put my babies at risk if I have twin. Please advise

Shellster52 Sat 30-Nov-13 07:02:30

Hello tinhtang. I am no expert and definitely don't want to make a decision for you that is going to affect the rest of your life, but you sound desperate for and opinion and I know sometimes it is nice to get an objective perspective. So here is my two cents worth.

You are young so you are probably going to do well with IVF and make some good quality embryo's. So I think you have a high chance of things going well in the IVF process. Having two will increase your chances in that one cycle, but you will have the same chance over two cycles if you put one in during your IVF cycle and then the second one back in on a subsequent cycle if the IVF cycle doesn't pan out.

I am in Australia so I am not sure how your funding works where you are. Do you get funding for subsequent frozen embryo transfers after your initial IVF because I guess the NHS funding would be a factor you would have to consider too. Not sure how your system works?

Olive324 Sat 30-Nov-13 07:27:40

Hi shellster, the follicles ranged from 6 to 9 mm. The nurse said this was normal but they still need to grow. It's possible I might have my egg collection on Wednesday 4 th too but it could also be on the Friday. I am now on 4 bottles/ doses of menopur per day. I know I'm a novice at all this, but she considered my 9 follicles to be normal so I wouldn't be disheartened by your 5/6 eggs. As everyone else says, one good one could be enough.
Tintang , I am almost 36 and because of my 'youth' ( the consultant actually wrote this and it made me laugh) they recommend only having one embryo transferred. It seems there is less risk by transferring just one. Two is just for okder women who maybe don't have time on their side. I've gone with this this time. My first cycle is on the nhs but I'm having the other eggs frozen so if we do need to go through this again it will be easier as we won't need to do the whole egg collection phase again. Is it the same for you?
Best of luck everyone. Scan update on Monday.

Eggsiseggs Sat 30-Nov-13 07:41:08

Olive that's great news - as far as I understand it anyway!

And Shellster I think it is really hard to strike the balance been positivity to get you through, and realism to help you cope. I swing like a wrecking ball from one to the other!

Eggsiseggs Sat 30-Nov-13 07:44:19

And TinhTang, my clinic will only implant one embryo at a time unless you are over 40. Their approach is to do everything possible to increase the chance of one healthy baby at the end. Am not sure what I would do given the choice.

Shellster52 Sat 30-Nov-13 08:08:32

I couldn't have worded that better myself Eggsi. Just didn't realise that was what I was doing to myself until you clarified for me so succinctly. I am on that same swinging pendulum.

That sounds like great news Olive with your follicles all being within 3mm size difference. Hopefully that means there will be more eggs mature at roughly the same time. Can I ask, do they check your estrogen blood levels regularly too? Just curious because things seem to be done differently where you are.

And your clinic advice seems to make sense that a two embryo transfer is for the older ladies who don't have time on their side. Tinhtag, I am 36 and jealous of your youthful age of 28 so I time is on your side and it seems like it will definitely happen for you - although I understand your desire to be a mum yesterday!

Olive324 Sat 30-Nov-13 08:56:22

Hi shellster, no, I have not had any blood tests done since the initial tests so I have no idea about my estrogen levels. Because I am still sniffing the cycle repressing drugs I assume this is why. 2 days before egg collection I have to inject some other drugs .... Oh I don't know. I am lost! I am sure they know what they are doing :-)

moggle Sat 30-Nov-13 11:52:21

Hi, we are also just starting down this road, have had various blood retests and scans and having our first consultant appt on Wednesday. Our story is fairly simple, 2 years TTC, not a whiff of a bfp. Previous tests indicate DH's SA is fine, my FSH is at the high end of normal, AMH slightly low, but seem to be ovulating every month so they aren't particularly worried about that. Tubes clean as a whistle.

Something I am wondering about is balancing being optimistic with not getting your hopes up. Since we made the decision to have a private cycle and got our referral, I have for the first time in about 18 months allowed myself to feel positive and excited about TTC - like it was at the very start! I'm letting myself think about babies again. I know I need to think positive for the cycle but on the other hand I know there's a less than 50% chance it'll work (and could be much lower, but still, it's probably a lot higher than the chance we have every month doing it the natural way!). Any tips on how to balance this? Is it just going to be similar to starting TTC - you think it'll happen relatively quickly and feel excited, even if you are telling yourself, it could take ages. And only after many months of it does your brain adjust to thinking differently... it seems you can't force it.

SarahFx Sat 30-Nov-13 18:39:11

Hi everyone, we start our first cycle of IVF for secondary infertility at the end of January. It's nice to hear what others are going through because it can feel like you're the only one going through this.

I told two of my friends this week that we are going to be having ivf. One of them got preg first month and advised me to put my legs up in the air lol. She doesn't seem to understand that it isn't that simple for me. They were quite supportive though. I don't think it's easy for others to comprehend how much of a big deal this is to be going through it though.

No one else knows except my mam, boss and H obviously. I just felt the need to unburden myself a bit.

Have you all told your friends and family or are you keeping it secret?

Best if luck to those going through the process now, I have my fingers crossed for you.

eurochick Sat 30-Nov-13 20:34:04

Hi Shellster.

We've "chatted" on here before. I don't venture over here much because I don't like the Infertility label and so I post more over in Conception and on the Egg Buddies IVF thread over there. But I spotted this thread and wanted to wish you luck. We are cycle buddies for this round. I'm on Day 6 of this cycle and egg collection should be Thursday/Friday next week.

This is my first properly stimulated cycle (I've done 2 natural and one natural modified). I got a BFP on my first cycle where they collected one mature egg and one immature one, so it really does only take one!

tin having seen my bestie go through a difficult twin pregnancy (from single embryo transfer - it split to form identical twins) I have made a firm decision to only put one back on my cycles. It was risky for both her and both the babies. My NHS clinic had loads of posters from this campaign up - the website might be worth a look. www.oneatatime.org.uk/

Sarah I've told everyone apart from work people (no point in not getting the good stuff for something that may never happen). I talk about it quite openly - I find it helps to normalise it, rather than consider it my "shameful" little secret. It helps me, anyway.

Shellster52 Mon 02-Dec-13 02:29:46

Moggle, I think Eggsi summed it up perfectly when she mentioned that we swing from positivity to get us through and realism to help us cope in case things go bad. This is my 3rd IVF cycle so you would think I would have an answer for you on what I have found the most helpful emotionally, but nope. The days I am positive, I tell myself to start being negative in preparation for failure. The days I am negative, I tell myself that I should be positive because the negativity is stressful and will make my cycle fail!

I find it incredibly helpful to vent here with people who get what we are going through. As Sarah mentioned, she told a couple of friends but they don't seem to understand. To answer your question Sarah, I do tell people that we are undergoing IVF and having trouble conceiving. But I don't tell them the specifics of when cycles are starting and finishing. I find that it puts pressure on myself because I then think they are waiting to find out how my cycle goes and I worry I am going to break down in tears if they ask me and I have to reply with a BFN!

Thank you so much Eurochick for coming over here especially to wish me luck. Of course, I wish the same for you. You are so right (and you are living proof) that it really only does take one. With my past two IVF's I have had 0, so I am really feeling very negative to be able to get just one good embryo. Four more days and I will know for sure.

Last time my estrogen levels dropped the day before egg retrieval which I have read reduces the quality of eggs and drops my chance of IVF conception by > 50%. I had a blood test thismorning and another tomorrow morning (Tue) before my egg retrieval on Wed. I am hoping like crazy my estrogen continues to rise this time or I am going to feel like it is game over even before I go to egg retrieval.

tinhtang Mon 02-Dec-13 04:44:51

Shellster52: thanks for your input. I think it costs extra $1000 to freeze the embryo and the IVF for thaw embryo is $4000. We are going to freeze embryo this time just in case or for second baby smile
eurochick & Eggsiseggs: Thanks ! your stories makes me feel much better having 1 embryo transfer

Baby dust to all of us !!!!

moggle Mon 02-Dec-13 11:13:08

Thanks shellster. I guess it's just a question of going with the flow and trying to do what seems right at the time. I am having acupuncture, not sure if it's making a difference but it's nice to have someone else to talk to about it all.

So far, my parents know we are planning ivf; my younger brother knows we've been trying a couple of years and I will tell him about ivf when I get some time alone with him (he's just married and TTC according to the vitamins in their kitchen when I was dog sitting the other day!). A few of our friends know, mostly because they are having similar struggles. Oddly I decided to tell 2 new friends at my new job despite not sharing our struggles with any of my very good friends in my old job where I'd been for 8yrs! They took it very matter of factly which I hoped for. No awkward sympathy or silences, I was really glad I'd told them although rather surprised at myself! I need to tell my boss as our draconian sick leave policy has exemptions for fertility treatment.

Having said all that I am not planning on telling any of three people exact dates as I don't want their weight of expectation. But I really think I will need to have someone apart from DH to unload on when we're going through the cycle, so I am trying to decide who that'll be.

Those of you who've done a cycle before, did you have someone in real life to talk to while you were actually doing it?

eurochick Mon 02-Dec-13 15:49:05

shellster I'm probably heading for FET on Thursday. How about you?tin a frozen cycle should be a lot cheaper than that. The typical cost here is about £750, against £3500+for a full IVF cycle.

Olive324 Mon 02-Dec-13 18:26:39

Scan today. Follicles STILL not big enough. Now I am on Tripple dose of menopur. Another scan on Wednesday. Shellster, what is FET?

Olive324 Mon 02-Dec-13 18:27:42

Sorry, I read shellster and it was meant to be euro chick.

eurochick Tue 03-Dec-13 14:17:05

FET = frozen embryo transfer.

And I meant to say I am heading for egg collection on Thursday, not FET!

Olive324 Wed 04-Dec-13 12:47:53

Hi,
I had another scan today . It was quite disappointing . I had 2 follicles on one side and 4 on the other but only 2 were 17 mm or more. Feeling quite disheartened. I'm scheduled for retrieval on Friday as they don't want the quality of those bigger ones to diminish. Despite being on 6 vials of menopur a day , I don't seem to have responded too well. Still hoping that it's quality over quantity! Got to keep positive. I know some of you ( shellster I think) are having retrieval today. Hope it all goes / went well. Let us know how you get on. Positive thought to everyone.

elvista Wed 04-Dec-13 19:58:20

Hi everyone. Hope you're all doing well. Sorry I haven't been around. Best of luck for those with egg collection today. On my phone so it's hard to name check. My egg collection is tomorrow. Really nervous about it-not because of what they might find but nervous of the procedure. After last nights trigger shot today was a drug free day. Very strange after all the meds of the last few weeks.

Someone up thread was talking about telling people. I've talked to very few about our infertility-a few good friends, some newer friends and my mother (which is a whole new thread!), so about 8 in total. Have only told my mother & 4 friends about our IVF. I thought it would be good for support but on the whole it hasn't been great. sad My best support have come from a fairly new friend who 'gets it' & my friend in the US.
Moggle I know what you mean about needing to off load to someone other than your OH. I'll be using the 2 above and their support has been invaluable.

Olive good luck for Friday. Shellster hope all went well today.

Shellster52 Thu 05-Dec-13 03:15:46

Thanks for your well wishes Olive. I feel for you as I know the disheartening feeling when a scan shows disappointing results. It seems you and I are in the same boat so as you say, we have to focus on quality over quantity. FET stands for frozen embryo transfer.

So I had my egg retrieval yesterday! They collected 6 eggs (same amount of follicles as you Olive.) I am to expect a phone call between 1pm and 3pm today to tell me if an embryo has made it so I can go ahead with the transfer tomorrow. The time is now 2.15pm and still no phone call. The wait is killing me!

Shellster52 Thu 05-Dec-13 04:16:42

Well I had my egg retrieval yesterday. They got 6 eggs. I just received a phone call that my transfer is going ahead tomorrow so that means that at least one of my eggs has fertilised and made it to now. When I go for my appointment tomorrow, I will find out exactly how many fertilised and the quality of them.

Still don't feel out of the woods yet. I got to this stage last cycle and when I went in for transfer, was told embryo quality was not great and got a BFN. So I won't breathe a sigh of relief until I see doctor tomorrow and find out about embryo quality.

Moggle, how did your first appointment go? What is the next step for you from here?

Elvista, how did your egg retrieval go?

Eurochick you are probably in hospital right now having egg collection! Hope all goes well. Let us know.

And good luck for you tomorrow Olive. Hope your 6 follicles have all grown. You are in the same boat as me and going for quality over quantity. If you are in need of some inspiration despite your disheartening scan, I started a thread asking for success IVF stories despite low AMH. I got many replies about women with not many eggs retrieved and they had success and it really showed that it doesn't matter how many eggs, as long as one is good.

Olive, not sure how your funding system works over there. Can I ask how many IVF's you get funded under the NHS?

elvista Thu 05-Dec-13 11:21:57

6 is very positive so fingers crossed for tomorrow Shellster. Good luck for tomorrow Olive. Best of luck Eurochick.

Not long back from egg collection. They got 8, so quite hopeful. Although it is all about quality. Waiting to hear tomorrow to find out how many get to the next stage. Egg collection was ok. A bit sore now but ok. Going to have a lazy day.

Best wishes everybody!

Hi all! Can I please join in? I am due to start IVF in January...although my cycle has to start after 4th January or the clinic will still be on Christmas break confused.

Am currently crossing my legs to stop AF arriving for the next 2 days so I'm in with a chance of hitting the post-4th Jan timings.

It will be our first round of IVF after 2 years of trying to conceive without even a sniff of a BFP. We found out after lots of tests and investigations that DH has very low motility. So we are going for IVF with ICSI.

My main question now is, am I allowed a drink??? It's all Christmas parties and mulled wine around here...

Olive324 Thu 05-Dec-13 13:45:12

Hi Takingchances. Glad you can join us. I think you can still have a few drinks over Christmas. Don't worry.. It won't hurt. I'm now not drinking at all as I have egg collection tomorrow but until I started on the drugs I was still having a few drinks a week. I've even read that a glass of red can help with implantation but I don't know how true this is!!? If anyone can verify this I'd be happy to give it a go!

Shellster52 Fri 06-Dec-13 04:14:00

Hi *tak1ngchances. Welcome! Has your period held off?

Glad to hear all went well for egg retrieval Elvista. When will you next get word on what is happening with them?

I am currently sitting in the hospital waiting for my embryo transfer. The doctor will give me the details of how many of the 6 eggs fertilised and what the quality is like. Last IVF, the embryo's were only at two cell stage on day 2 and the doc said they should be at 4 cells by now - and then I got a BFN. So if my best embryo is still at 2 cells, I am going to feel like this transfer won't work either and leave the hospital very dishertened.

Anxiously waiting for my name to be called...

elvista Fri 06-Dec-13 08:02:13

Hey Shellster, how did it go? Everything crossed for you. I know you know this, but every cycle is different, so try to stay positive-although that is bloody hard at times! And remember we're all here for support. Hope it goes well.

I find out this morning & then they watch. Transfer will be Saturday, Sunday or Tuesday. Hoping for Sunday. Not sure why as it they'll do what is medically best. Maybe aiming for a day in my head helps me to feel a bit in control?

So far period has held off thank goodness! Thanks for welcoming me to the fold. Sending positive thoughts and support to everyone this morning.

Olive324 Fri 06-Dec-13 13:54:41

Egg retrieval today. 5 eggs. We are doing 3 IVF and 2 ICSI. Not that many eggs but still holding out hope. Just hope they are goon ones. I have bled quite a bit. Anyone else? Is this normal?

elvista Fri 06-Dec-13 14:47:11

Olive - Congratulations on the 5! I think bleeding is normal. I had retrieval yesterday and the nurses/doctors told me to expect bleeding. I haven't but have been really uncomfortable, which the clinic told me was normal. If in doubt give them a call - it's what they're there for and will put your mind at rest, especially given that it's the weekend. In the meantime rest and plan nice things for the weekend.

Shellster52 Fri 06-Dec-13 22:59:27

Well, of my 6 eggs collected, only 3 were mature and had ICSI performed on them. Of those 3, only one fertilised! At least this one is better quality than the two I had transferred last cycle. Last cycle, the two embryo's were still at the 2-cell stage on day two and the doctor said a good quality embryo should be at 4 cells. This time, my one embryo was at 4 cell stage on day two when it was transferred.... so now the wait begins!

Waiting to hear your initial report Elvista - so they don't have a set day for transfer hey - just depends on the quality and amount of embryos? Sounds like they are trying to do what is best for your individual circumstances which sounds promising.

I didn't bleed either Olive, but I did have a sore abdomen and my next bowel movement was excruciating. I too was told bleeding would be normal though. So when will you get more news?

Thanks for you positive wishes chances - glad to hear your period is co-operating!

Olive324 Sat 07-Dec-13 09:41:00

Hi shellster, glad you got a high quality egg. It sounds really positive and am keeping my FX for you.
I got a phone call this morning to say 4 out of the 5 had fertilised( 2 IVF and 2 ICSI ). Got a provisional transfer day of Wednesday but this could change depending on how things go in the next few days. Bleeding has stopped and am using the progesterone pesseries ( had to watch a U tube video on how to administer them as they came without instructions! -smile
Best of luck to everyone on here at whatever stage you are at.

moggle Sat 07-Dec-13 14:53:54

Our consultation went very well, we both came out feeling positive. My AMH is still low (9.6) but not nearly as low as last time (3.8) so that's good; also my follicle count is almost normal so I won't be started on the max dose. My FSH has also dropped from 9.8 to 6.5 which I'm pleased about too. I'll be having long protocol and starting on my cycle which begins around jan 5th. We're on holiday 11-18th and I'll be starting down regulation the week or so after that. Feeling positive for the first time in ages and actually looking forward to Christmas with family and friends and their kids. Hope this feeling lasts for a little while at least!!

I went to see one of my best friends this week, who has been struggling with TTC, her DH has a v low sperm count and they had a consultation about ICSI booked for 2 wks time. She's 8 wks pregnant! I don't think she can believe it. I'm so happy for her and now even more wishing our first IVF go works so we can be pg at the same time.

shellster that sounds promising that your embryo is where it is supposed to be. olive good fertilisation rates, I hope you continue to get good news from the embryologist. elvista your fingers must be shredded. Can't believe how much waiting there is in this whole process! Thinking of all of you going through this.

eurochick Sat 07-Dec-13 18:35:38

That sounds positive shellster and olive.

I had my EC on Thursday. They collected 4 eggs (and tried lots of the other follies but the eggs were not mature enough to come out). I got the call yesterday to say that 3 out of the 4 had fertilised. The clinic was supposed to call today with an update but didn't! Transfer is tomorrow.

elvista Sat 07-Dec-13 19:06:47

Best wishes for tomorrow eurochick.

I may be having the transfer tomorrow. They'll call in the morning. They got 8 eggs and 5 fertilised, so we'll see what tomorrow brings. Generally quite calm about the whole thing but starting to get nervy about tomorrow.

moggle glad your consultation went well. It is just one big waiting game. I'd really recommend meditation, it's great for just stilling your mind, especially on the days when it all gets a bit much.

Fingers crossed for you Olive.

Shellster - best of luck. Sending positive thoughts.

Shellster52 Sat 07-Dec-13 22:05:59

Sounds like everyone had a great fertilisation rate since I last checked in here! Mine was the suckiest with only one embryo making it!

Glad your feeling positive moggle and feel Christmas gatherings will be easier to get through - our family gatherings will be a struggle if we don't get one big fat BFP for Christmas.

I am just a little ahead of you all Olive, Euro and Elvista and will be checking in to see what happens at this crucial nail biting time. This 2ww is a killer now that I know I am in with a real chance. Feels like forever and it has only been 1 1/2 days since the transfer!

I woke up this morning and can feel very mild period type cramping. The embryo is only four days old so I know it can't have implanted yet, but I have read that the embryo emits something to make the mothers immune system low so that the uterus doesn't reject it. Maybe my body is preparing for pregnancy - or maybe it is just me imagining things and over analyzing every little feeling - maybe I just need to have a bowel movement!?!?

Olive324 Sun 08-Dec-13 11:14:02

All 4 embryos achieved 4 cell stage ( day2?) but 2 doing a little better than the others. This is like child's first few days at school I expect! Getting updates as to how they are doing.

Shellster52 Sun 08-Dec-13 20:00:28

You must be so relieved Olive after you were first disheartened by your scan showing not too many follicles - at least the ones you do have are growing well! So still no set date for a transfer?

I guess at least while everyone elses embryo's are still outside the body in a petri dish, you can get updates and know what is going on. Once they are back inside like mine is - you have no idea if it is growing well or if it has disintegrated and it is a killer.

Olive324 Sun 08-Dec-13 21:26:30

Think positive shellster. Your embryo was a good one . I can't comment on the cramps as I have not got to that point yet but I'm keeping everything crossed for you. I've been given a provisional date of Wednesday for transfer ( they are hoping they get to 5 day blastocyst phase) but they say this might change depending on the daily updates. Just got to be ready to go in whenever.

elvista Sun 08-Dec-13 21:29:20

Good news olive. Hoping for good news for you. Shellster-how are you feeling. Hi to everyone!

Clinic called this morning. Of the 5 that fertilized, 4 made it through to day 3. We have one grade 1, two grade 2's and another one which wasn't doing very much. This is a great position to be in.

However, we had to take the decision of a 3 or 5 day transfer! Whenever I asked the embryologist what was best she fudged. Lots of you could go for day 5 but you could do day 3. I ended up being a bit blunt with her as I thought it wasn't fair to ask us given that she is the expert. Also thought it was a bit weird as she kept talking about how we are all a team when in experience nothing else in the process has been left up to us to decide. I was quite upset-I mean how do you make that decision. She was very apologetic-didn't realise this would be upsetting. hmm

Anyway had 5 mins to discuss with DH. We settled on a Day 3 (today) transfer and transfered our grade 1 and have frozen our 2 grade 2's. So, having calmed down so this mornings Acupuncture appointment wasn't a complete waste of time we went in. She was full of apologies again and I was very firm that this was not up for discussion, that I didn't want to be upset again at this moment. To be fair I do get why she explained both sides I just expected it to be a strong 'this is the best thing to do' rather than being vague about it.

The transfer itself was fine and I feel quite positive about it. The important thing is that we are happy & don't regret it. We felt if we waited for day 5 and they'd all gone we would have regrets. So in the absence of a strong medical opinion this was the best course of action and now we wait...

Sorry this is so long! It's actually quite therapeutic to get it out there.

Shellster52 Mon 09-Dec-13 02:33:15

No need to apologise for you long rant. That's why I started this thread,
so that we could have a place to vent because it really is therapetic.

Sorry you had such a stressful day elvista. Sounds like you feel at peace with the decision you made. If it is any more comforting, here is a tidbit from a website I found:

"Embryos will even develop better in the uterine environment (one step removed from the Fallopian tube) than in our most advanced, well controlled culture system. ... There is indirect data, collected at IRMS and elsewhere, that shows convincingly that a portion of embryos that arrest in vitro after Day 3 would not have arrested had they been transferred on Day 3. Specific classes of embryos that develop to normal blastocysts at a very low rate when held in vitro were studied. When embryos of these classes were transferred on Day 3, the proportion that implanted and contributed to term pregnancies was greater than the percentage that developed to blastocyst in the group that was held in vitro until Day 5."

http://www.inciid.org/article.php?cat=&id=245

So it seems if you have lots of great quality embryo's, then it is best to let them grow to day 5 so only the fittest survive and you can choose the most elite embryo. But if there is only one or two good embryo's, and research indicates they will do better inside us than in a petri dish, it is better to have an earlier transfer.

So now like me, you are playing the waiting game!

So the two grade 2 embryo's were frozen at day 3? Just wondering how the different places work because my spare embryo's are grown on to day 5 before being frozen (but unfortunately I had none that made it the distance).

Another question, did they do an ultrasound on you while they inserted the embryo? My clinic did not but I have a friend in America who had ultrasound so just curious.

elvista Mon 09-Dec-13 08:24:07

Thanks shellster. We are happy with the decision we made and in the absence of a strong medical opinion we felt it was important that we made the decision we are at peace with. Now just have the 2 week wait...

They did use the ultra sound to guide the transfer. Not pleasant with a full bladder! It seems pretty standard here (UK) from what I've heard. They are very good and try to show you when the embryo passes through although it's just a tiny blur!

Trying to get ready for Christmas. House needs cleaned and decorations need to go up. Last year I wanted to cancel the holidays. This year I feel I need to make more of an effort.also the more I get done in the next 2 weeks the better! We've also planned a few quiet days for ourselves over the holidays in case its not good news. How's everyone else's preparations going?

eurochick Mon 09-Dec-13 11:13:42

Hi all.

I had my 3 day transfer yesterday. When we got to the clinic it was not good news. 2 of the trio had failed to divide normally and the other was slow (again - all of our embies have been slow). Only 5 cell, but it made it to 6 just before transfer.

The embryologist pointed the finger at it being an egg issue and mentioned donor eggs. I'm very sad. We will change clinics and throw everything at one last cycle next year, but I think we are near the end of the road.

All 4 of my transfers have been under ultrasound guidance (in the UK). It is very uncomfortable - the speculum is pushing up on to your bladder, and the ultrasound thingy is pushing down. It takes a lot of willpower not to pee in the gynae's face...

Shellster52 Mon 09-Dec-13 20:04:35

That made me laugh euro! Need a laugh in amongst all this stress! Euro, I have had some embryo quality improvement each time. I try to be guided by the studies which show statistically that they improve embryo quality. Don't want to go on a long rant here about it all in case you are not interested at this point in time. But if you are, let me know or PM me. Might help you to feel like you have a back up plan so you don't come crashing down if this IVF fails.

So you've done this before Euro - any tips on hurrying up the 2ww. It is only 3 1/2 days for me and every hour is torture!

eurochick Tue 10-Dec-13 11:30:56

Keeping busy is all I can suggest! I try to throw myself into work, see friends, and at the moment I have Xmas stuff to deal with too. This time I am more relaxed than on the previous 3 cycles. I am frankly a bit bored of the whole thing!

I might well PM you re: the embryo quality info if this round doesn't work out.

Shellster52 Tue 10-Dec-13 19:45:13

No worries Euro - feel free to PM me when and if you feel the need.

This is my fourth cycle too. But each cycle things get a little better so I can't help but desperately hope this time is it.
Cycle 1 - embryo disintegrated before it made it two day two transfer
Cycle 2 - cancelled because I forgot to take injection one night!
Cycle 3 - two embryo's available at day two transfer but both only two cells instead of four with some fragmentation
Cycle 4 - embryo is at four cells with minor fragmentation at day two transfer.

So each time, my embryo quality gets a little better. I have a list on the fridge with what should be happening with my embryo each day. Today it should finish hatching and begin implantation for the next four days. No doubt I am going to be paying attention to every little twinge! I wish I could just forget it because I worry I am going to come crashing down harder when this fails. At least with each cycle improving, it gives me hope to continue on.

Sorry for the rant - just need to get it off my chest.

Olive324 Wed 11-Dec-13 13:58:00

Hi everyone,

Had my transfer today ( day 5). It seemed to go well and they said the quality was really good. This makes me think the problem might be with the implantation part of it rather than anything else. I suppose we shall wait and see. Anyway, am now joining you on the TWW. Sigh.........

Shellster52 Wed 11-Dec-13 19:02:29

Morning Olive

It sounds promising for you. I am no expert, but it would seem more likely that perhaps it was a problem with the sperm and egg getting together to begin with. Some women don't produce a lot of fertile EWCM and that can make it very difficult for the sperm to reach the egg or various other reasons. If you have normal cycles and healthy amount of blood flow, there is no logical reason why there should be a problem with implantation. Just how my mind sees it anyway. But maybe I shouldn't be getting your hopes up as I have had a BFN before with IVF and the fall is hard! Still, sounds very promising that it has made it all the way to day 5 where it is hatching out of it's shell and all it has to do is start implantation. Mine got transferred at day 2 so I have no idea how much further the embryo made it. We will all find out soon enough - although soon enough seems like an eternity away at the moment!

eurochick Wed 11-Dec-13 20:54:24

It's great that embryo wuality is getting better each time.

My cycle history is:

#1, natural, 1 egg, 1 embryo, day 2 transfer of Grade 1 2 cell (mc)
#2 natural modified (some stimms), 4 eggs, 2 embryos, day 2 transfer of Grade 3 2 and 5 cell embryos (chem preg)
#3 natural, 1 egg, 1 embryo, day 3 transfer of 4 cell (chem preg)
#4 mild stimulation, 4 eggs, 3 embryos but only one made it to day 3, day 3 transfer of a 6 cell (outcome awaited...)

Good luck to all.

eurochick Wed 11-Dec-13 20:54:50

wuality=quality!

Shellster52 Thu 12-Dec-13 01:46:31

So your first IVF embryo was two cells at day two and you got pregnant (but sadly mc). That is interesting because last IVf cycle, I had 2 embryos transferred on day two that were both two cells but neither of them took. I wonder if my problem then is my thin uterine lining because I only ever have a very light two day period. If that is the case, I won't have any luck this round despite a better quality embryo sad

So your embryo's seem a bit slow to divide but they are obviously continuing to divide and develop into blast inside you and attach for you to get a chemical. The doctor still puts this down to the egg quality?

Can I ask how soon you got your positive before your period came and shattered everything? Today is day 23 of my cycle and I am anxious to test so I can process and move on, but I don't want to spend a day in tears if it is a false negative because I am just too early.

Shellster52 Thu 12-Dec-13 11:37:25

Well Euro

After you giving a run down of your history, I thought it might be an idea to test early before my period arrives. That way, I could know if I at least got a chemical pregnancy and am any closer to success in IVF to help me make a decision about the next step. Today is CD23, 8 days after ER. Since charting, my cycles have always been short - anywhere between 24 and 27 days. So I plucked up the courage to do a test and got a big blank ugly white space where a faint pink line should appear. I told myself not to get depressed and that it could be too early to test, but still I was devastated. I have been so healthy up til this point but after that result, it was junk food for dinner.

Of course I could just be testing too early but after two years of infertility, you get used to knowing it is not looking good. I guess I will test again in a couple of days if my period hasn't arrived - that way I can let myself down gradually instead of one big blow when my period arrives.

I assume you tested early Euro to know you had a chem preg. How early did you test and get a positive?

eurochick Thu 12-Dec-13 11:42:03

Yes, I do always test early.

My clinic does a blood test at 14dpEC. I have always got a (very faint) positive on a v. sensitive internet cheapie by 12dpEC at home.

I hope you were just too early. Fingers crossed!

Shellster52 Thu 12-Dec-13 15:33:13

That's reassuring that your very faint positive only came up at 12dpEC on a very sensitive test. My clinic is doing a blood test at 16 days past EC. Yesterday was only 8 dpEC for me so perhaps that is the reason.

The time is now 2.30am here. I woke up and had a definite feeling in my uterus. Obsessive me did another preg test and got another neg. No period in sight so I HOPE that this feeling is my baby implanting.

eurochick Thu 12-Dec-13 15:35:08

I was still getting (very faint) positives from the trigger shot at 9dpEC so I wait until that has gone and then leave it a day or two to do a real test, hence settling on 12dpEC.

Shellster52 Fri 13-Dec-13 05:46:45

Okay, so Tuesday, 17th will be 12dpEC for you then if I have that right Euro.

My two pregnancy tests yesterday and today have both been a BFN so I know the trigger is definitely out of my system.

Based on all my previous cycles since I have been charting, my period could arrive any time between tomorrow (Saturday) and next Wednesday. So the next 5 days are going to be painstakingly long as I count down every hour that my period doesn't arrive.

Olive, haven't heard from you in a while. Everything okay? I guess there is no new news for you to report now - we are all just waiting!

Olive324 Fri 13-Dec-13 06:56:21

Hi shellster. Fine thanks. Yes, I'm in that phase where there is nothing to do but wait. I'm feeling for all of you that little bit in front of me at the moment. Its nail biting stuff. Fingers crossed for everyone.

eurochick Fri 13-Dec-13 10:48:28

Yes, that's right. I'll be testing on Tuesday and have the clinic blood test on Thursday.

I find usual cycle length irrelevant during IVF as the drugs change everything (and for me the progesterone tends to keep my period away anyway).l

Shellster52 Fri 13-Dec-13 18:36:46

Well, nothing new to report. Just have this on my mind and need to have a chat so I can get it out of my system and move on with my day.

This time I just 'feel' like it has worked, but I don't know if that is just me wanting it so desperately. So I am going to come crashing down real hard if my period rocks up.

Based on my previous cycles, my period could arrive any time between today and Wednesday. It feels like a small victory that it hasn't arrived today, although you are probably right Euro that the progesterone might be keeping my period away rather than a pregnancy!

Planning to do a preg test Wed if AF has not arrived by then... that seems forever away!

Glad you are doing okay Olive. I think you are in with a real chance after having a fantastic day 5 embryo transferred. Because I had a day two transfer, I have no idea how far my embryo made it, but you know for sure your embryo was top quality and that means at day 5, it was probably already hatching out of it's shell so all it has to do is implant!

Olive324 Fri 13-Dec-13 21:54:06

Thanks for your positivity shellster. It does look good on paper but I wonder , if the embryo is not the issue, then maybe there is an issue with Implantation. Why haven't I ever got pregnant before ? Who knows. Trying not to get my hopes up too much. Like you, I fear the come down if it doesn't go well. A girl at work announced her pregnancy at work today. She only got married in the summer so it must have worked first time! A a a araragagah! I'm happy for her of course but I'm sure you know how it made me feel.
Anyway, it's good that your period hasn't started yet. I have to be honest, with all the drugs that have gone through my system lately I'm not sure when to expect mine. I think I will test next Friday if nothing has happened. That way, I can at least have a drink over Christmas ! I think you have tested a bit early so far. I have found a timeline thing online which says that after a 3 day transfer, the hsg will be strong enough to test 11 days after. ( it starts building up from day 8) . I don't think you are at that point yet are you?

Shellster52 Sat 14-Dec-13 02:11:11

Yes Olive, not a great time to deal with new pregnancies! I went out to dinner with a group of girls I haven't seen in about 10 months and one of them walks into the restaurant with a big belly!

So your timeline says HCG can be tested at 11 days? Would that be by blood test rather than a home test as I think it can be detected earlier in the blood? I am 11 days tomorrow - maybe I should get a blood test to put me out of my misery as my IVF clinic is not doing one for me until next Friday.

I have found a timeline too. According to mine, implantation is complete today and HCG starts to enter the blood stream tomorrow. It says HCG is strong enough to detect a pregnancy 14 days after ER. But your timeline says 11 days and I have read of other girls getting a faint positive as early as 8 days after? Maybe it all depends on the embryo and how fast it divides and how quickly it implants - all I know is I can't stand this anxious wait any more!

I like the Christmas drink idea. If I get a negative, I will certainly be drowning my sorrows this Christmas!

Olive324 Sat 14-Dec-13 07:06:18

Shellster, I think the time lines are the same. 11 days after the 3 day transfer so 14 days after ER. It starts building up 8days after 3day transfer. That would be today for you then. Still will probably be a little too early so I would probably wait a day or two. Keep thinking positive.

Shellster52 Sat 14-Dec-13 19:18:20

Oh, sorry my misunderstanding Olive. Somehow I thought you said 11 days after ER. Now I re - read what you wrote and you said 11 days after a day 3 transfer which as you say, is 14 days.

I read yesterday that only 25% of women get a positive home test 2 days before a missed period and only 40% of women one day before a missed period. It said a blood test can detect a preg 3-4 days before a home test.

I just spoke to a friend who just had her baby she conceived through IVF and she had her blood test 12 days after ER. Today is 12 days post ER so I think I am going to pluck up the courage to get a blood test today. If it is negative, I need to be able to process and move on before having to spend time with family at Christmas.

But I just 'feel' pregnant this time. I had some period type feeling in my abdomen in the early hours of the other morning but my period didn't come. And yesterday afternoon I had a 'fluttery' feeling. If this is all in my head, my mind is doing a really good job of getting my hopes up and I am going to come crashing down hard.

eurochick Sat 14-Dec-13 20:03:13

shell this sounds like a really tough time for you. I'd say that you stand a good chance of seeing a second line on a POAS test at 12-13 dpEC with a sensitive test.

I don't know if you can see this if you are not a member (not sure if you are) but there are some interesting stats here as to when people tested positive with different tests (although many of the brands mentioned are American):

www.fertilityfriend.com/tg/galleryStats.php

SarahFx Sun 15-Dec-13 07:11:51

The waiting must be awful Shellster but we are all rooting for you. Not long to go now!

Olive324 Mon 16-Dec-13 17:30:44

Hi shellster. You ok? Not heard from you in a while. Am now 6dp5dt. I am a coward. Not testing till Friday. Living in hope rather than bursting the bubble. Anyone had any good news?

Shellster52 Mon 16-Dec-13 19:39:51

Thanks for your concern Olive. It seems it is over for me yet again. I have had some spotting so my period is on it's way. I think I am going to step away from all this and try to actually do some things I enjoy after two years of focusing on TTC. Then next year it is back to the IVF diet and supplements for 3 months before I try IVF yet again.

I may not return here in my efforts to try and focus on other things so in case I don't, I wish you all the best and thank you so much for supporting me this IVF cycle smile

Olive324 Mon 16-Dec-13 23:21:23

Sorry to hear that shellster. I think you are right to take some time off. It is a really stressful process. Thinking of you and hope you are able to take your mind off it over Christmas.

elvista Tue 17-Dec-13 10:03:33

Hi all. Sorry I've been AWOL. Trying to keep busy, not hard with Xmas concerts and plays, although having to help with cutesy nativity plays can sometimes be difficult at the moment.

Shellster, so sorry to hear that. I agree with Olive that it's probably best to take some time off. It's all really stressful and isolating. You know we're around if you want to talk. I wish you all the best.

Olive, I think we're around the same stage. I am 9dp3dt and have a blood test on Friday and results Friday afternoon. Trying to not poas as I'm most afraid of a false positive - even though that would be very unlikely. When is your clinic doing their blood test?

Eurochick all the best for Thursday.

Sending positive thoughts to you all.

eurochick Tue 17-Dec-13 12:13:24

Hi all.

shell I hope you are able to have a good Christmas after all this.

I've caved and tested at home, and it was positive. Please don't congratulate me though - I've been here before and it did not end well, so I'm not celebrating this. I have my fingers crossed for a nice strong blood test result on Thursday. It was a little low last time we got this far, and that was the first hint we had that all may not be well. If I could be knocked out until this is all over, on way or the other, I would take that option!

Olive324 Tue 17-Dec-13 13:25:33

Hi elvista. My clinic has never mentioned a blood test! They just said to let them know the test results. I presume I am just meant to test myself. Still holding out till Friday.

elvista Tue 17-Dec-13 19:23:02

It's funny how different clinics do different things. Mine suggests that patients do not poas because of false results, hence the blood tests, although I guess by Friday poas should be accurate. I'm on progesterone pessaries so maybe they're concerned that could make the test inaccurate? After all, they're the doctors they know what they're doing. I'm holding out until Friday - I don't think I'll believe it (either way) unless they tell me! Good luck everyone!

eurochick Wed 18-Dec-13 12:04:55

It's odd howw different clinics do different things.

The pessaries won't affect the result of a POAS test - they don't pick up progesterone.

My clinic always does a blood test - mine is tomorrow. I know it will be positive but I'm not convinced this is a sticky one.

Olive324 Fri 20-Dec-13 17:00:02

Plucked up the courage to test today( scariest moment ever! ) BFP!!! I know it's early days but it's the first time I've ever got this far so am obviously really pleased. Things still ok with you euro chick? Anyone else any good news? Positive thought to everyone.

Oh wow Olive congratulations!!! So happy for you. How do you feel today?

Olive324 Sun 22-Dec-13 06:46:04

I have a stinking cold tak1ngchanches but other that, great! Still in shock but but at least I'm not crying like I was when I found out. ( I think crying was inevitable whatever the outcome). I actually did another test today, just to make sure. How are you doing? Where are you up to?

elvista Sun 22-Dec-13 15:21:17

Hi Olive - that's great news. Congratulations!

Eurochick Hope all is well with you. Thinking of you.

I got my bloods done on Friday. It's a positive and the clinic are very happy with the levels. Have a early scan booked in for Jan, so I don't think I'll be able to believe it until then!

Thinking of everyone.

Shellster52 Mon 23-Dec-13 05:00:30

Hello Elvista, Olive and Euro. Congrats to you all. I started this IVF cycle with high hopes, having learned from my previous two failures and thinking I was doing things perfect this time to get a BFP. Now it seems everyone got a BFP but me and having started this thread has made me more depressed watching everyone else get a BFP except me! LOL. I have to laugh or I will cry!

This may seem personal but can I ask all you BFPers a question:
1 Some sites say no sex/orgasm after ET, while others recommend it. Did you follow one particular rule to get your BFP.
2 Do you have heavy periods. Mine is always super light and only lasts two days. I had a great quality embryo yet still a BFN so if you all have heavier periods, I think my thin lining may be the problem.

Sorry that seems such a personal thing to ask. I just need to learn where I am going wrong.

Olive324 Mon 23-Dec-13 08:57:55

Hi shellster, I m so sorry it didn't happen for you this time. Please don't give up though. A friend of mine went through 7 Iv f s and now has 2 year old twins. This thought kept me going. I'm also not counting my chickens yet as I know this is the uncertain time.
Regarding your questions, sex - well I must say after the constant trying for 2+years we kind of took a break. I think we did it twice between ET and now. It was probably about 3 days after ET and then I was a bit scared we might dislodge it or so something:-)
Periods. I think mine are pretty regular , heavy ish for about 2 days then not much. Over in about 5 days. I have always had a problem with spotting. I have always spotted about 6/7 days before AF arrived. Blood tests said progesterone was fine and doctors said it wasn't anybthing to worry about but I always wondered. I do wonder if the progesterone pesseries have been my godsend. Who knows! Maybe the progesterone was all I needed.
Anyway, I don't know if this will help you at all . It seems to me that it's like the black art. Who knows why or why not? Don't give up hope though. Hopefully your turn will be next.

elvista Mon 23-Dec-13 10:54:01

Shellster, you are in my thoughts a lot at the moment. I'm so sorry, it didn't work out for you this time. I don't think there is anything right or wrong that any of us can do other than give it our best shot. I think it's tempting to look for solutions but at the end of all this it is just random and all we can do is our best.

Regarding sex - we haven't done it since EC, mainly because I was too sore and then ET and the 2 week wait made us a bit wary. Hoping to sort that out this week! As for periods, mine are heavy for one day then very light as they regulated over the last year and last around 3 days. I used acupuncture (good for regulating cycles, womb lining and just about everything).

I don't think there is any rhyme or reason to why it happens or doesn't. Surround yourself with those who love and support you and be kind to yourself.

Shellster52 Mon 23-Dec-13 20:41:53

Thank you for your replies Olive and Elvista. Wow, 7 IVF's Olive! My next IVF will be number 5 so I am about due to get some good news. I feel good about changing to a new more expensive clinic. The doctor at my old clinic had no clue and would ask me for suggestions! They were cheaper for a reason.

As you say, there is not always a rhyme or reason and I wish I had a camera inside me following my embryo to know exactly what went wrong! But if I had to guess, I really think that the problem lies in my 2 day super light periods. Yours are both heavy for a least one day.

I am forced to give myself a 3 cycle break before my next IVF, otherwise my ovaries have not recovered and do not respond. However I at least have an appointment on 7th Jan at the new clinic and hopefully I will get a good vibe from the doc and he will address my super light cycle so I can feel confident about my next IVF to give me hope to continue on.

Bunnygirlie Sun 29-Dec-13 17:02:56

Hi, any room for a little one?

Olive324 Sun 29-Dec-13 22:31:26

Hi bunny girlie, where are you up to in the process?

Bunnygirlie Sun 29-Dec-13 22:52:35

Hi Olive We are about to start our first attempt at ICSI (short protocol). AF showed up this afternoon so gonna count tomorrow as day 1 and start jabbing NYE shock Really nervous!

Just read up the thread, congrats on your BFP!

Olive324 Mon 30-Dec-13 07:40:22

Thanks. Still early days but staying positive. This thread was really useful, got lots of advice and support from others at exactly the same point. You might want to start one of your own for anyone starting the same time as you. We are all at the end of the process . The needles are not that bad and it's a really exciting time. Just think of the end result! Good luck!

Bunnygirlie Mon 30-Dec-13 15:28:55

Thanks Olive I did start my own thread but it doesn't look like anybody is doing it at the same time as me sad

I start tomorrow Aaaaaaaagh!

Eggsiseggs Fri 03-Jan-14 04:57:39

Hi all,
Sorry I haven't been posting - I had to step away a little myself, but have lurked now and then.

Congratulations and fingers crossed for all you BFP! It is lovely to see positive outcomes.

Sorry to hear it didn't work out this time Shellster <squeeze> Chin up, chick. Wish there was more I could say.

The clinic cancelled my treatment this time, which has knocked me for six for some reason. Hence the middle of the night posting, I suppose! Bit of a tough month. My sister, best friend and SIL all had new babies within days of each other before Christmas and I have (for the first time) struggled hugely. I feel very low and am annoyed with myself for it because if I feel like this now, I don't know WTF will happen if (and bloody when) I have the treatment and it doesn't work.

Am trying to work through anxiety now, but (as you can see!) my insomnia is back, I am having nightmares about people dying, etc and I think it is all to do with the delayed start to something I had geared myself up for that now has been taken away again. Lack of control, again!

Argh. Sorry for rocking up and dumping everything here when I haven't been around.

Over40ems Fri 10-Jan-14 21:03:12

Bunnygirlie I'm on day 13 of down regulation. Have bloods Monday to then, hopefully start stim drugs tuesday

gemlouw Sun 12-Jan-14 20:06:43

Hello ladies, I hope you are all well. I am here for a bit of help if possible...
I am a student, studying Midwifery and have got to do an independent project on a topic of my choice. My housemate and her partner are just about to undergo IVF and I am extremely interested in the process.
I have therefore chosen to do my study on age of women vs the effect of the treatment and how well the nutrients from the injections work depending on age. There may well be no correlation between the two but I would like to find out.
In order to do this I need volunteers (who can remain anonymous) to pass on their blood test results etc so that I can monitor the results from the process. I need to know age, and then after that just the test results.
I know that not many of you may want to help me out but I am hoping that there may be a couple of you. If so, please could you reply and I can pass on my details to you.
Many thanks for your time and I look forward to hearing from you.
Gemma Wright

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