Help! Just been told we will need IVF. Kind of freaking out!

(81 Posts)
Bunnygirlie Thu 19-Sep-13 19:33:27

Had first FC appointment this week and our consultant says that it's highly unlikely we will get PG naturally and will need ICSI.

A lot to take in, mixed feelings galore! Happy that we have a plan but so sad that it won't happen naturally for us, angry that my body is crap and stressed about the whole idea of IVF!

Would really appreciate any advice, experiences and hand-holding smile

Figaro82 Thu 19-Sep-13 20:11:47

I found out a few weeks ago that I'm being referred for IVF and I understand how u feel! I have unexplained infertility and I hate that it won't happen naturally! At least there's a chance though this way!

Bunnygirlie Thu 19-Sep-13 22:24:05

Thanks Fig it's all very weird!

Ebright123 Thu 19-Sep-13 23:11:48

Hi ladies, my partner and I had been trying for 5 years with no joy and I was told a year ago I would need ivf. I totally understand that you feel shock and disappointment towards yourself as I did. But this will pass I promise if you are serious about having ivf which of course you are, prepare your mind and body and relax. I have just finished my first course of ivf and it has been the hardest thing I have had to do. Not because it hurts but mentally, you have to be strong. All went well with me and I am waiting now to do a preg test on Monday!!! Wish me luck! Stay positive and focus on the next steps. Ivf was the best thing I have ever done. If you want advice on clinics, I went to the lister in London and they have been incredible. If you have any questions on ivf don't hold back I can't promise I can answer all but I will try to help.

PuppyMummy Fri 20-Sep-13 06:53:09

Helloooooo Bunny fancy seeing you here!

I feel your pain! I prefer to deal with things by just not really thinking about them, will be a problem when this becomes 'real'! my main worry is that we only get one go and our % chance is already less than the normal 30% , which doesnt leave a lot. I just cant see it working.

Maybe we can start a miserable berry ivf thread in here for us to moan on!

we hav a few weeks to go before we start...

Bunnygirlie Fri 20-Sep-13 08:27:13

Hey ebright thanks for your advices, I think it will take a week or two to sink in but then I hope to feel a but more positive about the whole situation. At the mo I am just feeling such mixed emotions.

Puppy!!!!!! How are you my lovely? Never thought I'd be here, I guess we all assume it will happen for us naturally!

Next step for me is lap and dye, might not be for months and months but I am already bricking it lol

nutty123 Fri 20-Sep-13 19:44:38

Hi all,
Long time lurker. Been ttc nearly 3 years and have just been told that we will need ivf as my overies do not have many eggs sad
I was kind of expecting it but was totally gutted when the consultant actually said it out loud!!! I feel such a failure.
My husband has tried to make me feel better by saying that at least we can start to move forward, but it really isn't helping at the mo.
Got to wait for a lap before I can start it which will be another 18 weeks wait. Just feels like I'm running out of time!!

Bunnygirlie Sat 21-Sep-13 19:54:03

Hey nutty I know how you feel, I am gutted my body is crap and DHs has low sperm too sad

My DH is all positive now saying how it's good that we have a plan but it hasn't sunk in yet for me and I just feel a bit lost

Not sure how I will cope with the waiting!

nutty123 Sat 21-Sep-13 23:24:05

The waiting will kill me too Bunny. Plus I'm 38 in March and running out of time for IVF as I think they stop it when you hit 39.
It doesn't help that I have had to wait 9 months (oh, the irony ;) )for another hospital appointment. Just want to get on with it!!!

Viasabat Sat 21-Sep-13 23:34:59

We had been trying for 7 years, and found out last year we would need ICSI to get pregnant. I cried for weeks angry that my body wouldn't work. I read how little a chance we had of it working, was really just very negative. I had my one and only chance NHS only fund one go in our area convinced it wouldn't work. I am now 30 weeks pregnant, and still in shock!! Best of luck to you on your IVF journey!

Viasabat Sat 21-Sep-13 23:36:29

Forgot to say if you have any questions, please ask. I will try my best to answer them.

Bunnygirlie Sun 22-Sep-13 09:32:47

nutty Waiting sucks! We may resort to our savings to speed things up

Wow Viasabat congrats! Doctor says I will need ICSI too so quite nervous, I haven't done much googling yet, not sure that's a good idea! How was the whole process for you?

Itsaburrdiee Sun 22-Sep-13 09:46:11

I was told that a number of years ago. I felt a failure, thought the chances of it working were slim. I am now the mother of a five year old and a three year old.

For me, the waiting was the hardest part. We did one private IVF which failed but happily for us our second IVF was a success.

Anecdotally, almost everyone I know who has been through IVF has been successful.

Good luck and be kind to yourself.

Bunnygirlie Sun 22-Sep-13 18:09:43

Thanks itsa good to hear success stories!

anroga Tue 24-Sep-13 17:38:07

Hi girls - We have been trying for nearly 3 years - we have been told that we have unexplained infertility after having every test done under the sun and our only option now is IVF (or we can just carry on but I am 37 in November and don't want to wait any longer really, don't think I can take the monthly dissapointments anymore). Also we have been told that because my partner has two children from a previous relationship we are not entitled to any IVF treatment on the NHS so will have to go private (as some of you know this is around £5000), While we are taking all this in I have been put on 2 cycles of clomid to see if it may help (I doubt it as the 1st cycle has failed and I ovulate naturally anyway). Some of your success stories have made me feel a bit more positive as I have been worried about the IVF treatment mentally and of course the cost as we are going to have to get a loan/use a credit card etc - wishing you all luck with this very hard journey xxx

Bunnygirlie Tue 24-Sep-13 20:40:28

Hey anroga must be tricky when OH has already done it all before so the NHS option isn't available sad

My crazy brain is already leaping ahead to wanting child two and not being able to have NHS ivf that time round! Crazy aren't I!

anroga Wed 25-Sep-13 10:15:06

Hi Bunnygirlie, thanks for your message - yes it is and sometimes feeling resentful creeps in but I stamp it out as it isn't anyone elses fault except the NHS! I felt the same as you when we found out, better to have a plan and know what the next step is but sad it can't happen naturally plus how the h*ll are we going to afford it! Will see what happens with this 2nd cycle of clomid and then make plans, trouble is we are getting married next August and I would really like to have a baby before then and not ready to drop on my wedding day! x

Redcliff Wed 25-Sep-13 16:09:48

I feel for you - I have known for a while I would need IVF and have had lots of tests ect but when we went for the consultant appointment today and started making plans and booking appointments it now all feel all too real! Good luck!

StitchingMoss Wed 25-Sep-13 16:25:26

Hi all, I clearly remember being told we'd need IVF - and that was nearly 8 years ago now. We were devastated and terrified in equal measure sad. I have blocked fallopian tubes and was told natural conception was almost impossible.

I was too young at the time (33) to qualify for NHS treatment so we remortgaged our house for £15k.

On our 3 rd cycle we had our beautiful DS1 (now 5) and then were shock to fall pg naturally with our DS2 (now 4).

As other IVF veterans have said, please free to ask questions - I found it hard to talk to my friends and family about it because none of them knew what I was talking about blush.

Blondeshavemorefun Wed 25-Sep-13 19:34:49

bunny, ive been ttc for 7ish years (now 40 but slight break for 1.5years after dh died sad , but have a new dp now and full guns ahead iyswim) and ivf will be the next step as i also have sub fertility and very unlikely to get preg naturally

having lap and dye tests tomorrow 'gulps' - was on waiting list for about 3mths if that helps

nutty - i also will be paying as im 40 and dp has 3 children from previous relationship though all in 20's - i find this STINKS

i think every woman should be entitled to one go of ivf free regardless if dp has kids

not sure how im paying yet, but i will find the money, thing id happy to spend £5k is baby is guaranteed, but to spend it and get nothing thats a double blow sad

I just wanted to say Hi and offer a handhold. I was horrified when I realised we would need IVF to conceive DC2, it took DH and I a few months to get our heads round it all and decide it really was the right thing for us.
I was lucky that I felt able to trust my clinic 100%, they seemed so professional and thoughtful and you could tell that they worked really hard to answer every question and to pre-empt any mistakes I might make (with drugs, timings etc.) They sort of helped carry me through it all. They had been recommended by a couple of friends as well as having a very good record - so I felt reassured.

Bunnygirlie Fri 27-Sep-13 19:17:17

Ooh anroga a wedding how exciting!

Thanks red what's next for you?

stitching nice to hear success stories!

blonde so sorry to hear about your DH, you must have been through hell. Happy you found somebody to continue your life with smile how was your lap?

Thanks mrs my consultant seems fab so hopefully it's a good one!

Blondeshavemorefun Fri 27-Sep-13 19:48:23

Thanks bunny - didn't expect to meet someone 9mths after dh died - but I did - he makes me happy and life goes on

I ache big time sad

Didn't expect to be this sore sad its the cut in the public bone that aches and every cough laugh sneeze and fart hurt

Doc said its like a c section but milder !!

Plus shoulder aches as said it would from gas

And not good results sad have blocked and scarred tube and very unlikely to fall preg tho she said all it takes is one sperm .......

But says unlikely and reconmends ivf if serious about having kids as I'm 40 and no spring chicken .,,,,,,

- so got to get my head round that tho deep down I knew we would need it

Back in 6 week for check up and talk over options thb

defineme Fri 27-Sep-13 19:55:28

IVF can be a long and awful road and I'm really sorry for the awful time some people have.
I had a lot of problems with severe endemoetroisis(can't spell it) and operations to remove cysts and damage to insides.
However, it can work very well. I have had 2 IVF cycles and have 3 dc as a result: 8 yr old twins and 11 yrold ds1.
These days I really don't think about how they got here much.
Good luck smile

Bunnygirlie Fri 27-Sep-13 20:11:56

Ouchy blonde I am dreading the lap!

Sorry to hear your results were pants.

Wow define, I guess once you get them you don't care about the struggles

Mint tea is very good at getting rid of wind and reducing the amount of shoulder pain.
I wish I'd known about it in advance - I thought I was having a heart attack until the nurse told me just how much gas they pumped in.

Bunnygirlie Fri 27-Sep-13 22:01:43

Ooh scary! Must remember mint tea then!

Blondeshavemorefun Fri 27-Sep-13 23:32:30

Are you on the list for lap and dye?can you ask to be on cancelation list?

Not to worry or scare you but also couldn't wee for hours afterwards and wouldn't let me go home till I did

Drunk 3 jugs of water and 2 cuppa and nothing sad nurse thought maybe my body was dehydrated and had absorbed the fluid but had a bladder Scan and was over 500ml in it sad which is very full but couldn't feel it or need a wee

Was worried as thought maybe a tear in my bladder (complication of op) and wanted to stick a catheter up me and drain sad as infection coz of dye - but finally managed a wee and went home about 9pm

Havnt eaten much today as full - again from gas

Also as had a blood clot 6 years ago they are worried I might get another one so I have to inject my poor swollen sore tummy every day for a week with fragmin - 6 to go sad

Sorry if not painting a good pic - hopefully your op and experience will be better bunny x

Bunnygirlie Sat 28-Sep-13 09:35:58

Thanks blonde we are digging into our savings and booking private so it should be very soon. I just couldn't wait till the new year, you know what waiting around is like!

Feel better soon! thanks

Blondeshavemorefun Sat 28-Sep-13 09:55:37

What does a lap and dye costs privately?

On top of £5kish for ivf sad

Ask how long list is - I was put on list beg July and got app 2mths later so lucky

Shoulder pain much better today tho I do ache from
Cuts think I'm a wimp

5 injections to go - tummy now has selection Of bruises

The things is woman go through - told dp how lucky he was that all he had to do was wank in a pot grin

Thanks for thanks

Bunnygirlie Sat 28-Sep-13 10:14:03

I know! Blokes get it easy! Although if we have troublesome swimmers his may need to be removed with a needle shock

We were told the waiting list is 16/18 weeks long which takes us into the new year. DH said to just do it, lucky we have savings, no new kitchen for a while lol. It's about 3k.

According to a friend the actual ivf wait in our area isn't too bad and we should get 3 NHS attempts so we are very lucky.

Kikibee Sat 28-Sep-13 10:20:14

I feel for you, I had ivf for my first, it was an emotional time, but it can and does work, keep strong and it will all be worthwhile in the end smile

Blondeshavemorefun Sat 28-Sep-13 12:06:04

3 nhs attempts shock envy

I'm thrilled for you but also so jealous / it's not fair. Everyone woman should be given one chance for ivf regardless their postcode or if partner has any children

Should be done on the woman !! sad

And £3k for a lap and dye. Omfg. That's lots

Bunnygirlie Sat 28-Sep-13 19:13:26

Thanks kiki

I know blonde I am very lucky (if it is correct) and it is very unfair for some!

anroga Tue 01-Oct-13 14:35:58

Thanks for your message redcliffe, wishing you lots of luck with your IVF it must be feeling more real now you are booking everything up - have you got to pay or are you getting it on the NHS?

I wish I could just get one try on the NHS, I am thinking if this 2nd cycle of clomid does not work to then start the IVF in the New Year if we can sort out the money side of it, don't feel I am strong enough at the moment to go through it this side of Christmas.

Thanks Bunnygirlie it is exciting but being a bit overshadowed by trying to conceive at the moment sad


anroga Tue 01-Oct-13 14:38:34

Any success stories of IVF working 1st time round (we have unexplained infertility) x

We only had one round of IVF to get pregnant (at the age of 37). I suspect that this was mostly because my endo meant that my eggs weren't able to get to the right place at the right time. Once the clinic made sure they were in the right place at the right time, it all went very smoothly.

anroga Tue 01-Oct-13 14:47:30

Thanks MrsCakes, I am going to be 37 in November, partner 43 in December - I wonder if it is something like that with us as all tests have come back ok after 3 years of trying to conceive. Thats good to hear, thanks again x

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 01-Oct-13 14:50:16

its not fair anroga sad we are the ones who cant get preg yet we cant get one chance of ivf nhs as of our dh/dp

its almost being penalised for falling in love with a dad sad and dp feels really bad about it as knows how much i want a baby and coz of him we have to pay

feeling much less sore now so all pain goes within 3/4days smile but trying to get my head round to find the money ie loan maybe but also if it fails then in debt of £5/10k and no baby

if i was told pay £20k and we will keep trying till you get preg then would remortgage etc but no guarantee sad

anroga Tue 01-Oct-13 14:59:24

Oh blondeshavemorefun I have exactly the same thoughts regarding the money and it not working. We have already said we will try to borrow the £5k but if it doesn't work we can't then borrow another £5K and have all that debt plus we are getting married next August so have all that to pay for.

My mind goes crazy thinking about it all!

What is the next stage for you? x

Blondeshavemorefun Wed 02-Oct-13 13:56:36

6weeks time have 6 weeks post op check and will discuss then, but guess go to a private clinic near me and start the ball rolling for ivf, so maybe in new year

found out my cousin who is 32, with new man for 3 ish years and is having ivf on nhs - seems to have got ball rolling quickly,as i ttc for over a year and went to go who said i was young at 34 and try for another 6mths then go back

anyway she lives 20ish mins from me and get 2 free ivfs on nhs

im so envy of her, seems so unfair that she has barely been ttc afaic and gets 2 goes where ive been ttc for almost 7years on and off and get fuck all

Flutternutter Wed 02-Oct-13 14:42:48

I tried for 5 years, including 4 rounds of IUI but I now have two gorgeous kids. Was it stressful - yes, BUT talk about it, on here, to friends, to family and to YOUR PARTNER! Honestly the more open you are and don't bottle it up, the easier it is. I promise it will be fine xx Good luck !

Did you know that 28th October is the start of National Infertility Awareness Week? I'm baking right now ! ! Every little helps xxxx

anroga Wed 02-Oct-13 16:54:58

Hi blondes I have just enquired today with my Private clinic and it ain't cheap thats for sure, I can get started whenever there is no waiting list but we have to organise the money some how?!?

I wonder whether to start in the New Year rather than before Xmas, New Year, new start, clear head etc

I can understand completely how you feel about your cousin it is just not fair, even if we were entitled to just one on the NHS.

I can't remember why you have been referred for IVF ours is because of unexplained infertility and the specialist said we could keep on trying but it depends on how much longer we want to wait (I am 37 in Nov and fiance is 43 in December and its been 3 years of TTC).

You just don't know what to do!?!?

Hi Flutternutter thanks for your lovely positive message. You are so right about talking about it, I have found this website a god send the last week or so, it is so lovely to chat to people who understand for once, however much your friends, family try they just don't understands especially when they all have kids or don't want them


Blondeshavemorefun Wed 02-Oct-13 17:10:55

Been ttc for about 7yrs on and off

Unexplained fertility and last week after lap and dye got told had blockage and scarred tube and as I'm old (at 40) to have ivf if serious about kids

Need to get my 6 week check over (waiting for app but guess be middle/end of nov) and then think over options and how to pay - well thinking about that now

Credit card

Are my options -prob a loan - £5k over 3yrs is £158 a month. Peanuts really - though course if doesn't work then what - take another loan out or pay off 2 loans or take out £10k

Dont know sad

So guess will start in early new year

Bunnygirlie Wed 02-Oct-13 20:04:38

My lap is a week today, and advice?

Blondeshavemorefun Wed 02-Oct-13 22:15:17

wow thats quick and what paying does

wax before you go if you dont normally or they will shave you, but i wax anyway

i was advised to take day off after off work, but glad my op was a thur as fri was very sore and also had sat and sun to recover , plus was sore monday as well, so thats 4 days off afterwards, but i do lots of lifting and bending as a nanny so couldnt even bend and put socks on, but if say work in an office prob be ok

hope you have good results smile

being told i will prob never fall preg naturally was hard sad

anroga Thu 03-Oct-13 10:22:28

Hi Blondes

I had a hysterosalpingogram done back in April came back all clear which was good but in a way you then think well what is it then when all your tests are clear.

I think we are both in the same position but have got to give the IVF at least one go, as you say £5k over 3 years @ 158-00 a month isn't alot and then at least we know we have tried otherwise you will always be thinking what if...

If the 1st round of treatment doesn't work I don't think we would try again with IVF purely down to the expensive (and I suppose also the stress physically and mentally) I know that sounds sad..

I am going to take it one step at a time I think thats all you can do and wait to see if this 2nd cycle of clomid has worked should know by mid October then I will decide when and how to move on with the IVF.

You get sick of thinking about it all don't you!

I think I might go for a glass of wine tonight to cheer myself up why the h*ll not!


BTW - they won't shave you. I've had two laps haven't been shaved either time but a good trim along the top edge might make it easier what with sticky dressings etc.

Bunnygirlie Thu 03-Oct-13 18:06:48

Thanks mrs no shaving sounds good to me lol

I am so nervous!

Blondeshavemorefun Thu 03-Oct-13 18:36:55

Where they cut you and then plaster goes on - on me if I didn't wax it would have been in my pubes so ripping plaster off would have been ouch sad

But as I said I wax anyway - even tho many think I shave as of my name pmsl

Wine sounds good and yes we are at the same stage roughly

Have to give it a go so least we know we tried

Bunny - the op itself I assume is ok coz I was out for the count but the recovery afterwards I found so sore for a few days

But today it's a week later and I'm fine - apart frown bruises all over my tummy due to injections

Thank fuck last one tomorrow

BlindKitty Thu 03-Oct-13 21:47:52

Just coming to hold me ol pals hand smile

Bunnygirlie Thu 03-Oct-13 22:17:00

Awwwwww thanks kitty x

Phoebenooby Sun 06-Oct-13 22:54:37

Have just registered on here on behalf of my daughter who has been trying for a baby for 6 years (she is 30, married to a 30 year old, neither have ever had children) had all the tests, she isn't ovulating. IVF is on the cards. Not sure where all you ladies are from but here in oxford, cut off for IVF is 34 and only one cycle. Not fair in my opinion.

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 08-Oct-13 14:37:54

Phoeb - sorry to hear about your dd - but least she gets a chance of nhs (free) ivf and she has 4yr till cut off point of 34

She's still young smile

That's good smile

Docs may try a 6mth course of clomid

Bunnygirlie Tue 08-Oct-13 22:57:44

Got my lap tomorrow, scary!

Blondeshavemorefun Wed 09-Oct-13 06:58:29

Good luck today bunny. The op it's self is ok but the recovery for me afterwards was ouch for a few days. Cut on Pube bone sore the longest

Hope you have good results (unlike me) and then forward planning for the future

You prob won't feel like updating tonight so catch up tomorrow x

Bunnygirlie Wed 09-Oct-13 08:20:56

Thanks blonde x

Bunnygirlie Thu 10-Oct-13 18:37:01

Hiya Blonde, day after my op now, what a weird experience!!!!

How are you doing Bunny? Not too uncomfy, I hope.

Blondeshavemorefun Fri 11-Oct-13 09:38:37

Bless ya bunny. Why weird and hope all went well and no bad news

Take it easy and rem no bending down

Played crazy golf at weekend with dp and bending to get the ball out I the hole did twinge a bit even after 10days - so made dp keep getting the ball grin

NoComet Fri 11-Oct-13 09:41:35

DF has teen ICSI twins and two younger DCs one ICI and one naturally conceived after more than 10 years of not being careful.

Bunnygirlie Fri 11-Oct-13 15:43:32

Still sore and very swollen tum from the gas but guess that will improve in a few days.

Just a very weird experience as never had a general before!

Thanks for asking smile

Blondeshavemorefun Fri 11-Oct-13 16:46:52

what did op show? good/bad news?

the gas will subside (or with me it did) but as i said the lower cut was the worst for me

Bunnygirlie Fri 11-Oct-13 17:31:34

Doctor said my tubes are fine, cleared away some endo and unstuck one ovary. She says I may be more fertile for a few months but still on ivf list.

Now I have to think positive!

That is really positive news Bunny. Have a nice brew of mint tea to celebrate.

Bunnygirlie Fri 11-Oct-13 18:21:41

Thanks mrs just had a shower and changed my dressings, yucky stitches!

Will try a mint tea now smile

Blondeshavemorefun Fri 11-Oct-13 20:29:03

thats fab news - really pleased for you smile

Bunnygirlie Sat 12-Oct-13 10:09:06

Thanks! smile

Here's praying that it does the job wink

Blondeshavemorefun Sat 12-Oct-13 17:13:51

im still waiting for my 6 week check up app, and been 2 weeks, ie need it in the post for the next month or so

tmi but gonna have serious shagging tom/mon/tue as that's my fertile period and although have been told wont conceive without ivf, I have heard the month after a lap/dye that many people do get preg

maybe the flushing of tubes etc helps ......

if not then lucky dp smile

Bunnygirlie Sat 12-Oct-13 17:18:03

That's what I was told too! Hoping to feel up to it next weekend for my fertile week grin

Have fun!!!

Blondeshavemorefun Sat 12-Oct-13 17:49:56


anroga Mon 14-Oct-13 10:47:41

Hi Blondes and Bunnygirl

Not that it worked for me but the nurse even told me that after I had my hysterosalpingogram upto 3 months after the procedure your likelyhood of getting pregnant is more, its the flushing out of the tubes!

I got my AF yesterday so that was my last cycle of clomid, IVF is the next step for us too.


Blondeshavemorefun Mon 14-Oct-13 17:06:06

sad anroga - hope ivf works for you but sucks clomid didnt

Bunnygirlie Mon 14-Oct-13 17:17:34

Fingers crossed that something works for us all very soon!!!


Bunnygirlie Thu 17-Oct-13 22:09:07

blonde how you getting on?

1 week on for me and taken the dressings off, yucky stitches look horrid! So worried about catching the wounds now they have no protection!

Blondeshavemorefun Fri 18-Oct-13 10:36:19

Yeah I'm ok. Got 6 week app through. Midd of nov.

Tummy button is fine tho scar lower in bikini line has finally closed - was weeping a bit and now have inch long obvious scar

Done the deed with dp grin but not holding out any hope as practically impossible for my to conceive sad

Bunnygirlie Fri 18-Oct-13 20:02:24

Good good!

We're you nervous about doing the deed, I was! Worried about catching stitches!

Blondeshavemorefun Sun 27-Oct-13 19:29:19

hello all - waiting for af after my manic bonking after dye&lap - sure im not preg sad

have had my 6week app through, for about 3 weeks now-so wi; chat through ivf etc options then

pinkapples Tue 29-Oct-13 12:51:04

Just wanted to offer some thoughts hubby and I knew we'd struggle as I have pcos but when we were told that IVF was probably the only way to have a baby we were gutted (especially as this was after clomid and injections and a lap and dye with drilling) we had one cycle of IVF which failed and although it was hard we knew we wanted a baby we went for ICSI last September and it worked we now have a beautiful nearly 5 month old as a result

It is hard and it is so important to stay strong and keep communicating with your partner but you will ultimately get through it all with beautiful babies

Blondeshavemorefun Tue 29-Oct-13 16:24:51

thanks for happy update pinkapples smile

af came today sad didnt think i was preg, as know i cant, or would be a bloody miracle ...... but always that what if ....... sad

pinkapples Tue 29-Oct-13 19:59:09

Your welcome blondes
Sorry to hear about AF crack open the wine or brew and biscuits if your off the wine x

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