Questions for Premier League boss on his sexist emails?

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KatieMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 14-May-14 20:38:48

Following the news that Richard Scudamore, Chief Exec of the Premier League is to face a formal hearing about his sexist emails, Mumsnet users on this thread have been suggesting some questions he needs to answer.

'How would you feel as a woman working in your organisation?'

'Are you an asset to England's bid to host the 2019 [women's] world cup?'

'As a manager, how would you have responded if one of your staff had done this?'

What questions do you think he should face at his hearing on Tuesday? Let us know your thoughts and we'll compile the best into a page on the site.

Thanks

MNHQ

BIWI Wed 14-May-14 22:38:48

1. How can you justify, in 2014, making such comments? And how, given your role, can you justify such comments?

2a. 'Do you feel that women should be respected?'

2b. 'Do you believe that women are inferior to men?'

3. 'If you answered 'yes' to 2a and 'no' to 2b, can you explain why you made the comments that you did?'

I deleted the very rude questions

BIWI Wed 14-May-14 22:39:45

Oh, sorry:

4. 'If you answered 'no' to 2a and 'yes' to 2b, can you explain why you believe that you are the right person to be doing your job?

forago Wed 14-May-14 23:08:44

Do you have daughters and how would you feel about people talking about them the way you did if you do?

Finbar Wed 14-May-14 23:17:23

How do you feel that the fact you are apparently well liked by the clubs and have secured a lucrative tv deal for them will affect how you are treated over this matter?

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Wed 14-May-14 23:18:14

Forago - yes he does.

Do you feel your solicitor friend should also be facing questions from his professional body?

mellicauli Wed 14-May-14 23:23:10

On the premier league website you state that 25% of people who attend games are women. Do you have contempt for these customers?

You stated in your defence that your email comments were "private". Does this mean you think it is enough to pretend to respect women in public?

Do you think that showing your commitment to equality as mere lip service shows a lack of integrity? And don't you need integrity to be the be the figurehead of a large organisation such as yours?

And this is the best one: what would your Mother think about this?

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Wed 14-May-14 23:30:30

Were we to look at more than two months in your email history, or at your Hotmail account, what other "humour" might we find?

HenI5 Wed 14-May-14 23:55:21

1. Why haven't you been sacked?
Is it because you are protected by your employing organisation whereas anyone else would have been out of the door faster than the Suarez free kick that resulted in a disallowed goal last Sunday* ?

Failing a deserved sacking, why on earth don't you have the grace and honour to resign and enroll yourself on a training course to retrain as a decent member of 21st century society?

*not bitter

2. Do you genuinely see your employment position as tenable?

DoctorTwo Thu 15-May-14 06:25:04

Given that you are supposedly in charge of the womens game in England, how are your views going to help the bid to bring the World Cup here in 2019?

Should Sian Massey be promoted to the list of referees who officiate in the Premier League rather than just being an 'assistant referee'? Ya know, given that she's the best ref we have in this country.

Blondieminx Thu 15-May-14 06:25:51

Are your daughters still speaking to you?

Are you reluctant to do the decent thing and resign because you know no other organisation would employ someone with your views?

<other, ruder questions also deleted>

CPtart Thu 15-May-14 06:54:09

What do your parents think of this, and the upbringing they gave you which produced such an unpleasant individual?

Onesleeptillwembley Thu 15-May-14 08:20:23

1, How the fuck were you brought up?

2, what's so lacking in your manhood to have the need to try to make yourself superior in such a sad way?

3, How can you view your own mother and daughters in that way (if you have any)?

4, Have you any idea how disgusting and pitiful you are?

captainmummy Thu 15-May-14 08:42:32

'Is the 'Sexism' Hearing going to be totally composed of, and headed by Men?' and

'will you really answer questions posed by Mumsnet, a website headed by, read by, and composed of (mostly) errrrm, women?'

captainmummy Thu 15-May-14 08:46:42

Minutes of the Sexism Hearing;
'Alan - presiding;
Ray, George and Martin assisting.
Lisa - 4 coffees and a plate of biscuits please....'

angry

grin

ladyblablah Thu 15-May-14 09:29:13

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NormaStanleyFletcher Thu 15-May-14 10:44:41

Will you volunteer to have your personal and work email to be examined ?

We're you sending these personal emails during working hours?

Do you think your comments are acceptable because they were in your private email?

Do you think it is possible for someone displaying contempt for a social grouping in private to be an effective advocate for their inclusion professionally?

Has this incident caused to you reflect on why your remarks have caused so much concern and has this encouraged you to revise your opinion of women or simply to be more circumspect in future?

Revised:

Do you think it is possible for someone displaying contempt for a social group in private to be an effective advocate for their inclusion professionally?

If this one gets chosen, at least it will read better now blush

SelectAUserName Thu 15-May-14 11:15:29

"Why do you feel that using such language to refer to 50% of the human race, which includes your mother, your wife and any daughters you may have, is acceptable in 2014?"

"Can you understand why your use of such language and what it suggests with regard to your views on women in general casts doubt on your fitness to maintain your position, especially as it includes promoting women's football? Do you recognise the hypocrisy in your actions?"

"Why did you feel it was appropriate to send such emails during work time? What sort of message does this behaviour, and the messages in question, send out to your employees? Is it generally acceptable for Premier League employees to get paid for personal activities? If not, why did you do it?"

Do you feel unfairly singled out for criticism, because you know that most men of your acquaintance refer to women this way when they know they won't be overheard by someone who might complain?

BarbarianMum Thu 15-May-14 11:25:06

Do you think that sexism in football is less of a problem than racism?

How do you reconcile your personal beliefs with your public duties?

BrookeDavies Thu 15-May-14 11:35:32

How do you feel your situation differs from that of Dave Boyle? Do you feel that a precedent was set in that instance?

slug Thu 15-May-14 11:42:09

"Do you understand why these comments were offensive?"

"Can you demonstrate this by using an analogy?"

"Can you justify why a man who uses this terminology should be in charge of the women's game?"

"In light of your stated views about women, does this throw any light on the position of the women's game in the UK?"

slug Thu 15-May-14 11:43:04

Actually, edit that last one to say

"In light of your stated views about women, does this throw any light on the way the women's game is not marketed and promoted in the UK?"

BarbarianMum Thu 15-May-14 12:06:55

Correction:

How do you reconcile your personal beliefs with your professional duties?

BIWI Thu 15-May-14 13:26:29

Do you consider yourself to be a professional?

BinkysMom Thu 15-May-14 17:07:40

1. Do you speak in similar degrading terms of people of colour in your personal conversations?

2. Would you expect to keep your position if the contents of your private emails were racist instead of sexist?

3. Do you think this organisation should deal with sexism less severely than racism?

hoobypickypicky Thu 15-May-14 17:21:17

You're a qualified referee. Do you believe that women should be be permitted to officiate at men's games?

Do you still referee and if so do you not think that your comments about half the country's population - some of whom play or referee football while others are avid spectators of the sport - has made your position as an unbiased adjudicator untenable?

Do you not feel that your personal views are not just at odds with but are inseparable from your involvement with organisations such as the equality body 'Kick It Out' and the grass-roots body, the Football Foundation?

Will you resign from your position in the Premier League if the League loses sponsorship as a result of your recent comments about women?

Spiritedwolf Thu 15-May-14 17:44:09

Lets not forget those Mumsnet Classics...

Did you mean to be so rude?
Are you okay? [head tilt]

How could you joke about the Chinese one child policy, especially in direct relation to you having several children. Do you have any idea of the horrific consequences of that policy? How dare you joke that most of your children shouldn't have been born? (or only be allowed to survive if male) Do you really think that's funny? hmm Why?

Will you offer a public, sincere, unreserved apology to the women you have directly and indirectly offended including your wife and children?

Should your wife choose to divorce you for unreasonable behaviour over your vile comments, will you recognise that she is entirely justified to do so and offer a generous settlement (hint: well over half of the marital assets) in acknowledgement of your inadequacy as a man, husband and father and the damage you have done.

In the (hopefully) unlikely event that you cling onto your job...

Will you commit to
1. having an independent assessment done of how your organisation is not meeting and exceeding the requirements of equality legislation?
2. Have all members of staff (including yourself) go on regular courses about how to treat women and girls as human beings worthy of respect?
3. Increasing female representation on boards and at all levels of management to 50%
4. Doing everything within your power and your organisation's power to treat women's football with the same respect, finance etc as provided to the men's football.
5. Launch a high profile campaign to stamp out sexism in football
6. Codifying all these new practices into the rules of your organisation and support any legislation which would require you to follow these or other further measures to further equality and the elimination of sexism in football.

this one is for your own good...
7. Refraining from making any comments about women and girls personally unless they have been pre-approved by a feminist - or develop an internal filter to stop you saying or typing anything which doesn't respect women as human beings.

8. If you continue to have the urge to say or type such comments, please get yourself a therapist to help you with your mother issues.

Does that cover everything?

fielsted Thu 15-May-14 18:27:37

Given the improving, but still lower, profile of women's football in the UK, what characteristics ought a spokesperson for the game display? To what extent do you feel you are suited to this role?

Many might feel that following your widely publicised email references to women, your position has become untenable. How would you respond to such opinions?

Why would you feel that an apology was enough? Your position requires that you publicly carry responsibility for the promotion of equality for all in the sport of football. Your choice of words demonstrated the opposite. You have to resign.

CommunistLegoBloc Thu 15-May-14 18:56:20

Do you feel that similarly expressed views denigrating a race or religion would be acceptable? If not, then how to you justify the vilification of 51% of the population?

How can you defend the opinion that many now have of you, which is that you view women as inferior to men? How does this correlate with your commitments to the female members of your family?

Panwearsrosa Thu 15-May-14 18:57:06

Does anyone else have a slightly uncomfortable feeling about a HQ 'sponsored' effort to interfere with this process. Sure, he should have resigned on Sunday. He demonstrably isn't fit to govern over his sphere of authority re women's footie (and anything else connected with issues outside his own little mind), but this effort almost fits in with a 'campaign' which is fair enough, so at least HQ should be more transparent than setting off a hare on this.

I can't be bothered with him.
I'd sack him instantly for failing to master something as simple as an email system.
On second thoughts - do you think he has arranged this deliberately, so he can walk out of the job with a big pay-off ?

Panwearsrosa Thu 15-May-14 19:10:47

No I'd doubt it at least. He's (relatively) young and any other large institution agreeing to give him a job would be looking for other untainted candidates. He just had his unpleasant under-belly/genuine thought processes exposed.

captainmummy Thu 15-May-14 19:27:50

I just wonder what he thinks of the players that he is supposed to represent and support.

LineRunner Thu 15-May-14 19:46:51

(My MN username is dedicated to Sian Massey btw.)

Do you think Sian Massey is 'gash'? If so, why? If not, why not?

BIWI Thu 15-May-14 20:22:03

No, Pan, I do not. Why should I? What he said was indefensible and if MN have any clout at all to make it even more obvious that this man has said such offensive things, then why not? Why not make a campaign about it? And, actually, I think it is pretty transparent.

DoctorTwo Thu 15-May-14 20:29:44

I know, Liney. Sian is possibly the best ref since that bald Italian geezer. She is honestly that good. I've seen her ref in tinpot football and get everything right, and run the line in the PL and get everything right. I can't say that about other refs.

NeilDiamondRocks Thu 15-May-14 20:47:53

Why are you so stupid?

Panwearsrosa Thu 15-May-14 20:58:36

BIWI - yes, sure, make a bold statement, as MNHQ, not imo invite some 'questions' to be asked of RS in a formal hearing/procedure (which largely won't be asked as barristers defending will successfully have them deemed irrelevant, and poss be raised as evidence as a 'trial by media'). This particular device almost derides the honest intent.
So yes have a 'campaign' or HQ statement, but not being either one thing or another.

Panwearsrosa Thu 15-May-14 21:00:45

for the pedant in me, neither one thing nor another

hoobypickypicky Thu 15-May-14 22:24:37

"I just wonder what he thinks of the players that he is supposed to represent and support."

As money-making entertainers in the business which is football, captainmummy, not as professional athletes who deserve to be protected from harm and the game to be played fairly.

He made that clear when he told a meeting of elite Prem referees that it was "bad for the brand" (i.e. the Premier League) for players to be sent off and that he wanted them on the pitch as much as possible.

He doesn't give a shit about fair play or potential career ending injury, it would seem, so long as the players remember that they're (quote) "part of the entertainment business" and keep the money rolling in.

TinTinsSexySister Fri 16-May-14 00:09:13

Will you be applying the "double decker" policy to your own daughters' and their partners?

How do you think that makes them feel?

Do you believe your daughters to be intelligent human beings, talented, hard working and as capable as men?

How do you think your remarks make them feel?

When reflecting on your emails, do you now accept you are in fact a massive idiot?

[Message edited by MNHQ with agreement of OP]

What changes do you think your successor should make to tackle the misogynistic, racist and homophobic culture that exists within the football establishment?

Fishandjam Fri 16-May-14 10:33:50

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sashh Fri 16-May-14 10:57:58

Do you use those terms to talk about your daughters?

Do you think it is OK for others to talk about your daughters that way?

What do your daughters and wife think of the emails? How about your sons? Are you bringing them up to objectify women and treat them as inferior?

We know you are sexist, are you racist too?

Do you think your mother is proud of you?

LineRunner Fri 16-May-14 11:01:10

Are you worried more about your job or your ethical core?

mellicauli Fri 16-May-14 11:09:42

Is it the �2.5m in bonus and salary you earn each year that makes you feel superior to women? Do you think a sharp reduction in that income allow you to relate to your customers better?

Crumblemum Fri 16-May-14 13:05:17

OK I wasn't particularly impressed with his original apology but just read an email he sent to the premier league clubs on Sat night. It's on the Guardian here

www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/16/richard-scudamore-premier-league-sexist-emails-untenable

In the note to the 20 clubs, essentially the League's shareholders who hold his fate in their hands, Scudamore said the story "'had been obviously timed for our last day for it to cause maximum embarrassment to me and therefore the Premier League. The newspaper is asserting that some of the content is sexist and inappropriate. You will be the judge."

Ummmmm! Think that shows exactly how seriously he saw his comments. Complete disingenuous apology the following day!

Seems to me as though all the senior (and by strange coincidence, male) figures involved in this scandal have been very keen to dismiss it as a private joke with no real consequence. Glad to hear that the lawyer's firm is taking it seriously though.

BIWI Fri 16-May-14 13:30:20

You see all those new buttons to the left <--- ...

LineRunner Fri 16-May-14 13:40:49

Crumble I hadn't seen that email.

The man comes across of even more of a spiteful buffoon than I originally thought.

RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 16-May-14 16:42:32

Hello

Just to let you know, the Sunday Mirror have been in touch to say they might be using some of the questions from this thread this weekend in the paper - just thought you might like a heads-up.

BIWI Fri 16-May-14 17:09:21

grin

I shall look forward to that ...

LineRunner Fri 16-May-14 18:35:43

Why do you think that China's one-child policy and, by [your] implication, preferential female infanticide is a subject for humour, in your position?

captainmummy Fri 16-May-14 19:58:50

The SUNDAY MIRROR?? Oh god.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Fri 16-May-14 20:06:56

Well, they did carry the story first!

captainmummy Fri 16-May-14 20:13:13

Yes, ok, but that means i might have to buy it.

Panwearsrosa Fri 16-May-14 21:26:32

yeees..a canny move by the S Mirror, possibly. <sense of uneasiness rises by being hitched onto a red top Sunday paper without a 'MNHQ statement' but I'm prob in a minority of one here...smile..and a bike>

I'd ask him, if someone at the FA used equivalent insults and derogatory language about black players, would that person be sacked?

Panwearsrosa Fri 16-May-14 23:18:18

edam - that is so potent, isn't it? Where on earth is the flip that says anti-women messages are 'reasonable' and explainable and be dealt with by an apology...but racist messages would require an immediate sacking.

excellent question, pans. Why is it so easy for some people to think 'racism = bad' but misogyny is not really anything to make a fuss about'?

There seems to be some kind of hierarchy of discrimination, with racism at the top, homophobia next, and women and disabled people at the bottom?

Panwearsrosa Fri 16-May-14 23:27:22

I know. The evolutionary process re what's "acceptable" needs a swift kick up the arse, and hopefully RS's case will be a pointer to that. Him being boo-ed by a footie crowd gives some hope.

Yes indeed

BIWI Sat 17-May-14 14:40:15

Well, I suppose it will be explained away as 'just a bit of banter' and that we wimmin should just 'lighten up' a little hmm

GeekLove Sat 17-May-14 21:33:44

I REALLY hope this does not get swept under the carpet under the guise of banter. I am beginning to hate that word!

claraschu Sat 17-May-14 21:49:58

Is anyone surprised that football culture is sexist (and racist). OF course these people are a bunch of arseholes. Sometimes they manage to hide their disgusting attitudes, and they have enough finesse to know that they have to be seen to be non-bigoted. I don't see how an apology is of any use or significance. The only thing he can meaningfully apologise for is being silly enough to get caught.

I still don't think it is ok to read someone's private emails.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Sat 17-May-14 22:07:05

Clara

The PA has stated that she received copies as part of her role.

jonicomelately Sat 17-May-14 22:43:11

www.dlapiper.com/en/uk/people/w/west-nicholas/
This is the man Scudamore was exchanging emails with and who referred to women as 'gash'.

Mr. Scudamore, do you think you this issue is going to go away now you've said it was an unfortunate error? May I just say, from a female football fan's perspective it won't. You should do the honourable thing and resign. You are a disgusting individual and don't deserve the honour of representing the Premier League. Your parents, wife and children ought to be ashamed of you.

Fishandjam Sat 17-May-14 22:52:42

Re the DLA Piper lawyer; I would be amazed if he doesn't get the boot - assuming his email was sent from his work account. Humungous breach of email policy, for starters. Then there's bringing the firm and the profession into disrepute...

I'm a lawyer. Years ago I was given some advice which thus far has stood me in good stead, and it is this: never write anything on work email that you would be embarrassed to have read out in front of a judge. Looks like our boy should have had the same advice.

jonicomelately Sat 17-May-14 23:08:54

I agree about DLA Piper. My friend's daughter is about to start her contract there and I despair that a bright young woman with a first class degree and an ambitious attitude may have to work alongside a man who refers to women as 'gash'.'

Fishandjam Sun 18-May-14 09:00:27

Joni, I'll bet you that DLAP don't let it lie.

WaxingGibbon Sun 18-May-14 15:56:48

To be honest I've heard enough of Richard Scudamore's thoughts this week to be interested in hearing any more of what the pathetic little misogynistic twat thinks about anything

My question is for Greg Dyke..

Dear Greg. Having read the posts on this thread, and witnessed the national reaction to the issue, do you think it might be wise for you to rethink your somewhat tepid reaction to Richard Scudamore's emails - and call for his dismissal?

LineRunner Sun 18-May-14 16:42:11

So Scudamore is actually so aware of his shit behaviour that he tried to cover it up?

Way to go, loser.

Panwearsrosa Sun 18-May-14 20:22:59

Jon Snow has tweeted that the Premiership Division management has one chance this week to join the rest of us in the 21st century.

I hope they don't blow it, but have a horrible feeling they will due entirely to personal vested interests.

GeekLove Sun 18-May-14 20:34:20

But if we keep sharing, tweeting and writing letters then they can't. It is up to us to keep the pressure up.

Lobbing Sun 18-May-14 20:49:23

Dear Richard Scudamore,
did writing “The newspaper is asserting that some of the content is sexist and inappropriate. Tomorrow, on the assumption they publish, you will be the judge.” really seem like a good idea at the time?

PigletJohn Sun 18-May-14 21:36:58

Are you going to resign now, or will you wait to be sacked?

Will you get a better payoff if you hang around for a bit?

Fishandjam Sun 18-May-14 21:43:31

The company I work for uses DLA Piper, I think. I may, with my client hat on, write to their managing partner/exec person and ask what they intend to do.

Blondieminx Sun 18-May-14 21:50:36

I would hope the SRA (the body which regulates solicitors) would be having a fairly frank chat with DLA Piper about their guy tomorrow...

Panwearsrosa Sun 18-May-14 21:50:55

PJ, that's what I mean, that the messiness involved in an appeal against a sacking is unattractive - so I'd fear he will survive for a bit, or more than a bit, (when the Barclays sponsorship ends) and a deal is done sometime afterwards. He will get a commercially lucrative job elsewhere as he has by all accounts an excellent business acumen/contacts etc BUT the Premiership will fluff this one open goal.

Fishandjam Sun 18-May-14 21:53:01

Indeed Blondie. I don't think it's striking-off territory, but some sort of sanction would seem a possibility.

Blondieminx Sun 18-May-14 22:02:16

Do DLAP want that sort of individual bringing them bad publicity though?

jonicomelately Sun 18-May-14 22:51:26

I think every company or individual who use DLA should ask them how they propose to deal with this man.

Blondieminx Mon 19-May-14 10:49:19

Mirror article here btw about the PA who exposed Scudamore's emails

Roshbegosh Mon 19-May-14 11:02:04

Tell us why you refer to women as "gash" what does that term mean exactly? Explain what gash is. Where does that term come from?

HesterShaw Mon 19-May-14 11:17:52

Do you think the women in your family feel ashamed of you?

What is your honest opinion of the reaction to the success of the women's football tournament during London 2012?

BoffinMum Mon 19-May-14 11:58:52

What in your past has made you hate women so much?

ForgiveMeFather Mon 19-May-14 13:24:42

I see from your Wiki entry that you have two daughters and 3 sons.

Do you hold the same vulgar and oppressive opinion of your daughters as you seem to hold of the rest of the female population?

Are they just (and I quote) 'skinny, big titted broads" to you too?

What of your sons Mr Scudamore? Do they share your vulgar and misogynistic views too or did your wife somehow manage to convey a sense of decency when they were being raised? unlikely I should imagine

guineapiglet Mon 19-May-14 13:58:51

I guess I would like to ask IF you understand

a. the widespread offence you have caused by your attitude and language
b. how inappropriate it is for someone with such offensive beliefs and attitudes to hold such a visible position of power
c. to ask If you have ever attended a Gail Dines lecture...if not please do, immediately. Maybe she can enlighten you as to why you need to understand a and b, and explain to you why women despair over and over that men like you exist biscuit angry

Enjoy spending your, no doubt, exorbitant and utterly immoral pay off.

Fishandjam Mon 19-May-14 14:11:19

Update re the DLA Piper lawyer, Nick West. Over the weekend I took a look at his profile on the firm's website. It had the usual laudatory stuff from Legal 500 etc etc, as well as reams of details on the type of work he undertakes. However, now, there's nothing. It's nearly all gone. The only information left is his name and the fact he's a partner, his vCard and telephone number, and a quote from Chambers & Partners in a sidebar that the IT Dept seems to have missed grin

I reckon gardening leave pending some sort of settled exit? He's a partner so a straight gross misconduct dismissal would likely be too difficult.

As far as the emails go, his appear to have been the more misogynistic and unpleasant ones - and I'm aware that's going some, given the tone of Scudamore's.

KatieMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 19-May-14 15:07:44

Thanks Blondieminx for sharing the Mirror article, and just to say David Cameron's spokesperson has also just said he thinks the emails were unacceptable.

Blondieminx Mon 19-May-14 15:20:41

NBC bought the US rights to premier league footy this current 2013-2014 season, DLA Piper advised the PL (Nick West advised, according to Legal Week).

Interestingly, NBC's in house counsel & VP is a woman (Wendy Bass). Wonder what on earth she makes of all this. Be very interesting if she did a Subject Access request wouldn't it, I wonder how Scudamore & West referred to her during negotiations???

KatieMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 19-May-14 17:22:17

The PM, David Cameron has also just been asked about this on Five live. The Telegraph are reporting this as 'Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore should be sacked, David Cameron suggests.'

After being asked if:

“someone in your team could survive if they admitted that sort of thing”, after taking tough line on racism,

David Cameron replied:

“No I don’t think they would. But as I say I have not seen these specific texts and emails. I am very happy to go and look at them.”

jess888 Mon 19-May-14 17:45:05

No action being taken against him.

Im obviously in the minority but Im quite pleased as hes against b teams and FFP.

jonicomelately Mon 19-May-14 19:56:40

I think you are in a minority, if you are female jess888

I am very disappointed in the decision.

freckelfootie Mon 19-May-14 20:00:59

I have a theory that ugly men are more sexist than good looking ones. Is this correct?

Actually, that's just a rhetorical question, I can see your face chum.

DoctorTwo Mon 19-May-14 20:16:33

You might be right freckle. Though I'm not sexist and I'm an ugly bloke. grin

Panwearsrosa Mon 19-May-14 22:46:06

Supporting Dr - am a slightly ugly bloke (depending on the light angle), though not quite a car crash sort of ugly, and I don't think my personal practice is a sexist one...

LineRunner Mon 19-May-14 23:34:11

The Premier League can just piss off.

Tweasels Mon 19-May-14 23:40:28

I'm really disappointed by the decision to take no action against him. I'm not at all surprised though. sad

Panwearsrosa Tue 20-May-14 01:53:31

Yep, it's nicely fucked itself. Karen Brady is now a joke for any aspirant female in the world of footie.

Mumraathenoisylion Tue 20-May-14 04:41:09

Absolutely disgusting, this is why the football industry is rotten from the inside out. A sexist vile place where women are treated worse than second class citizens but as accessories, possessions and usable goods.

What he has written in his emails doesn't just affect those written about but all women and the premier league dismissing it makes them complicit. I feel personally degraded by the whole event.

HoopyViper Tue 20-May-14 08:00:08

Yes pan, where is Karen Brady in all this? Has mn had her in for a webchat yet? If not then now would be a good time!

Mumraathenoisylion Tue 20-May-14 08:42:57

Well I don't understand how Karren Brady is a joke, is it because she's the only woman in football you know?

BillAndTedsMostFeministAdventu Tue 20-May-14 08:59:52

Mumra, because Karren Brady has come out in support of Scudamore.

meddie Tue 20-May-14 09:14:54

I,m so disappointed that no action was taken, this was a high profile incident and an opportunity to show that sexism would be treated at least on par with the same seriousness that racism is. but its only women who were insulted so Meh who cares.

Roshbegosh Tue 20-May-14 09:17:36

I don't think we should expect Karen Brady to say anything sensible here, as much as I generally admire her. Didn't she start her career in the porn industry? She may think calling women gash is perfectly ok. She is not a spokesperson for women.

Mumraathenoisylion Tue 20-May-14 09:33:10

hmm I see, apologies! I have found her career an inspiration and I'm sure in this situation she had little choice which doesn't make it right at all but I'd bet all pressure was on her to come out in support of RS.

Fishandjam Tue 20-May-14 10:30:48

It's disappointing but not surprising that Premier League clubs are standing by their man. The governance of the Premier League is a joke even without a sexist arsehole at the helm.

Blondieminx Tue 20-May-14 10:41:50

Portia Smart has done a blog about perception around sexist incidents and all the celeb sex abuse trials. It really resonated with me this morning in the context of the inaction over Scudamore's thoroughly inappropriate emails.

Oh what a surprise, Peter McCormick, the acting chairman of the Premier League, and the man who led the "investigation" into Scudamore a shooting buddy of his.

Well that says it all then really doesn't it?!

quite, Tess, how surprising that a coterie of men decided one of their bessie mates was absolutely fine and dandy and had no case to answer over a few amusing emails...

GetKnitted Wed 21-May-14 21:35:56

I feel like I need to add here that we were recently lucky enough to win, through mumsnet, season tickets to our local women's football club, great! They wrote to ask me for all the family's names so we can all get in, great! They sent us the season ticket, great! It was addressed to my husband #everydaysexism

1984looms Thu 22-May-14 13:27:31

This thread is seriously in danger of confirming Scudamore's comment about women's irrationality and frankly makes me embarrassed to be a woman. Can posters really see no problem at all with demanding that a person's private comments are hauled into the open and subjected to public humiliation? I think his PA should be publicly criticised for her betrayal and her disgusting disregard for his privacy. The logic of what is being argued here is that Mumsnetters could not be anonymous and even more, should be held account by their employers for comments they make on the site. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Read this to see where this kind of mindless, sheeplike campaigning will take us. www.spiked-online.com/freespeechnow/fsn_article/policing-private-speech-the-new-inquisition
Mumsnet is becoming a significant cheerleader for a terrifying 1984 culture.

BillnTedsMostFeministAdventure Thu 22-May-14 15:36:57

1984

Yes, if we all posted on Mn with our work email addresses and signed off

Bill Ented, Director of Adventure, Most Feminist Ltd

I would expect to be held accountable at work for my comments.

LineRunner Thu 22-May-14 20:18:36

1984looms, it's ok, you don't have to keep repeating, repeating, repeating. It's tedious, tedious, tedious. And patronising, patronising, patronising.

Mumraathenoisylion Thu 22-May-14 21:11:15

You're embarrassed to be a woman because the women on this thread believe derogatory comments towards women are unacceptable.

Prime example of the patriarchy at work right there.

Don't worry - if it helps I'm embarrassed for you.

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