Plebgate

(103 Posts)
Mim78 Mon 21-Oct-13 19:49:43

Unbelievable story.

Did anyone not think the officers were telling the truth at the time? Even though we know police officers do lie it sounded so believable. Just the kind of thing we imagine a Tory mp would say. Now it appears they were lying about key things and so probably this as well

What are people's views?

Chipstick10 Mon 21-Oct-13 22:59:01

Am absolutely sure if it was a labour minister there would be many many more threads on here. I'm shocked ridged that there has been no outcry. I thing it's a massive story.
Remembering when it first broke I said straight away to my dh, that I didn't believe it, something stunk to high heaven.
It's terrifying IMO. Who the hell do the police think they are, fitting up a cabinet minister as pay back for the cuts.? If they can do that to a cabinet minister what the hell can they do to you and me? Very very worrying.
I'm afraid I have lost a lot of faith in the old bill lately. Hillsborough, the Lawrence's , Ian Tomlinson, jimmy Saville and so on.
They have not emerged with any credit as far as Mitchell is concerned that's for sure.

bobthebuddha Tue 22-Oct-13 13:37:56

Yes, the silence now is a little odd, isn't it? Not. Compare and contrast:

Andrew Mitchell needs to resign - 117 messages

I would dearly like to know what the posters vilifying Mitchell then think now that it's accepted as a fit-up. Or is it a case of 'well, he's a Tory, so he must have been guilty in thought, if not deed' as I saw someone post elsewhere, believe it or not. A fit-up is a fit-up, we simply can't apply different standards, even if it fits your political opinions. We just can't.

KnittingAndCleaning Tue 22-Oct-13 14:53:38

I agree it is disgusting, and I also can't understand why all the silence on here.

BMW6 Tue 22-Oct-13 18:51:34

I suspect there a an awful lot of cats-bum-mouths among the usual Mumsnet "all Tories are evil" crew grin

lljkk Tue 22-Oct-13 19:12:37

I remember thinking it was a bit of todo about NOTHING at the time. And that was when I thought most of it was probably true. Now it's just shocking. Systematically, bit by bit, whole thing unravelled. I almost feel like cheering for Andrew Mitchell. Talk about dignity in the face of injustice.

KnittingAndCleaning Tue 22-Oct-13 19:23:48

He has had a lot of help from TM and DC, if it takes a cabinet minister that much work to get to the bottom of corruption, it is no wonder the Hillsborough families took so long to get the truth out.

ajandjjmum Tue 22-Oct-13 19:26:27

I'm surprised you're allowed to record a police interview without saying - and very scared to think that had he not done so, he would still be disbelieved by many now.

The police involved should be hammered for this.

Chipstick10 Wed 23-Oct-13 13:16:17

Will be interesting to see what the police constables say to the select committee today.

limitedperiodonly Wed 23-Oct-13 15:46:08

I'm enjoying the coverage right now. Stupid bastards, aren't they? There have to be disciplinary proceedings at the very least, but serious charges of conspiracy surely have to be considered.

I suspected from the start that the police had made it up and said so on the original threads. That was not a popular view but I'm prepared to be martyred for my beliefs wink

I am a Labour voter and broadly soft left.

It makes no difference to me whether I agree with the person's politics or personality. Police corruption is terrifying.

I don't think it's useful to be partisan. But it's very embarrassing for anyone to admit they were wrong.

The only thing I would say in their defence is that there has been a lot more traffic one way than the other. But, I agree, lying is always wrong. Especially in this context.

Anyway, I was right. So where's that angel-face emoticon when you need it? grin

HumphreyCobbler Wed 23-Oct-13 15:51:03

if this happens to an mp what on earth may happen to the average person in a similar situation? that is a truly scary thought

silence on here is similar to the damien mcbride scandal silence. all those posters who maintained their belief that gordon brown was a fine moral soul were suspiciously absent from the debate

trish5000 Wed 23-Oct-13 15:56:54

I dont care what sort of politician he is. No one should get fitted up by the police.

I think I am taking more notice now than I used to , because I have more personal interest in London than I used to.

But this sort of thing, police wise, seems to be somewhat national? Awful behaviour.

JakeBullet Wed 23-Oct-13 15:59:19

If they fabricated their evidence then I am appalled....no matter what I may or may not have said at the time. Don't recall posting but was disgusted about it.

Terrible and they need the book throwing at them.......and he had to resign. Like or loathe the man it is horrible to have something untrue banded about.

limitedperiodonly Wed 23-Oct-13 16:11:08

Yes, it is national, because the police have been an extremely privileged public sector group for at least 30 years and now aren't.

They are angry and confused, and while I don't blame them for that, I wish they'd showed a bit more solidarity with other public sector workers over the years.

But then some animals are more equal than others.

And on a purely tactical basis, I think the Police Federation's manoeuvres are amateur hour. They'd do well to take tips from Bob Crow.

limitedperiodonly Wed 23-Oct-13 16:25:43

humphrey I despise McBride, mostly because I think he and Dolly Draper were inept in their smears - I admit that's not the proper issue grin

However, political infighting is not as serious as police corruption, which is what this is. And there are far worse cases that I'm not going to list because it would be boring, but I will if you want. The Mark Duggan shooting gives me pause, even though I'm sure I wouldn't like him. I really can't understand how that gun ended up being found over a fence, but everyone seems to be accepting that so far.

The astounding thing in this case is that it's so petty, yet with such serious consequences - you don't like someone but you're prepared to destroy his career and reputation and are in a position to do that? Who the fuck do you think you are? Terrifying.

limitedperiodonly Wed 23-Oct-13 16:32:33

Also, I hate Keith Vaz. Nasty; self-serving; of questionable ethics.

But I hate the Police Federation blunderers more for making his questioning seem right.

Go Keith. It chokes me to say that. More than it choked me to say: 'Go Mitchell.'

Chipstick10 Wed 23-Oct-13 16:40:13

Not looking good so far IMO. From where I'm sitting I think MR Mitchell did give an account of himself.

Oblomov Wed 23-Oct-13 16:42:02

Is he going to be re-instated?
He should be, surely? Why hasn't he been already?
Will he receive financial recompense?

limitedperiodonly Wed 23-Oct-13 16:42:24

That fiction that the Police Federation isn't a union is about to be blown away.

deepfriedsage Wed 23-Oct-13 16:45:26

Why do we as tax payers fund this organisation? They appear bigger crooks than those they are paid to protect the public from.

limitedperiodonly Wed 23-Oct-13 16:45:59

oblomov I think he got a very comfortable consultancy outside Government recently. And why not?

He seemed to have been badly treated by the Number 10 machine.

deepfriedsage Wed 23-Oct-13 16:51:32

Chris Jones uses distracting tactics, the other two are better at misleading as they call it now?

Tabby1963 Wed 23-Oct-13 16:53:57

Sadly, I was not a mn member at the time of Plebgate or I would have written in support of Andrew.

It was always very fishy because he admitted to swearing at the police when they stopped his exit from the gate, but he very definitely denied saying the "pleb" phrase consistently.

It was such a minor matter but I was concerned when he actually lost his job over it.

I was very happy when the enquiry was launched and hope that today he finally gets to see justice of sorts.

I speak as a labour supporter of many years standing, and I don't care what party Andrew supports. He was badly wronged by the police force and they cannot get away with it yet again.

deepfriedsage Wed 23-Oct-13 16:55:58

Now the transcript is wrong, he denies it was about TM.

limitedperiodonly Wed 23-Oct-13 17:00:46

Why do we as tax payers fund this organisation?

deepfriedsage I don't understand.

As taxpayers we fund the police. Which I'd say is good.

But I'm not sure where the Police Federation's funding comes from. It's a union, though many people have argued on threads with me that it's not.

It is. Ner. grin

I guess it comes from individual police officers. But good point, where does it come from?

I'm a union member and have no problem with unions funding the Labour party. That's how it started and I'm proud to continue that tradition.

But I agree, where's the Police Federation's money coming from, and where's it going?

deepfriedsage Wed 23-Oct-13 17:08:30

I actually am at a point now after this and Hillsborough questioning why we fund these police forces who employ these individuals who behave as they have. I am disgusted. These individuals are paid to protect thepublic including AM and they behave like criminals, only they are worse as they have power and are in positions of trust.

deepfriedsage Wed 23-Oct-13 17:12:40

How did we manage before police came along? It is not that long ago we had no police. They covered up for JS there were police on the Greek gypsy thread with no faith in their colleagues to the point they wouldn't report crimes. What is the point of us funding them?

claig Wed 23-Oct-13 17:12:54

I haven't been following this. Can anyone explain

If this was taped a year ago, why did it take so long to come out?
Is there a transcript of the tape?
What did the police say after the meeting with Andrew Mitchell and was this inaccurate?

deepfriedsage Wed 23-Oct-13 17:15:08

AM secretly taped as a private individual he was entitled to do. He then shared a transcript as he is entitled to do.

limitedperiodonly Wed 23-Oct-13 17:15:29

I'd still prefer to have the police. I just think we should have a big cull.

claig Wed 23-Oct-13 17:15:38

' They covered up for JS'

I think there were people higher up than the police who covered up for Jimmy Savile.

deepfriedsage Wed 23-Oct-13 17:19:48

They tried to further ruin the lives of the Lawrence family. I think we as a public are not protected at all. A child took his life at my dc school due to cyberbullying. Last week another child at the school reported it to the police, I saw the bullying. The police refused to investigate. The children were stunned and very upset for their friend, that the police won't do anything.

Chipstick10 Wed 23-Oct-13 17:20:14

They have put on a disgraceful display.

limitedperiodonly Wed 23-Oct-13 17:27:46

Do you know what I find as bad as lefties not admitting prejudice against Mitchell?

Apologists for police corruption not coming on here either.

They bashed me on the original threads. So where are they today?

AcrylicPlexiglass Wed 23-Oct-13 17:53:20

I am a leftie who thinks it's utterly shocking. The police completely played on the fact that Andrew Mitchell is so dislikeable, imo, and took a calculated gamble that huge numbers of people would think "hmm, that's precisely the sort of thing he might say." Making up things about people, no matter how dislikeable, to smear them is absolutely wrong. Doing so when you are the police is the very definition of corruption.

EngineeringExcellence Wed 23-Oct-13 18:06:45

"How did we manage before police....?."

As the early police forces were formed many communities fiercely resulted them believing they would only bring crime to their valley (or wherever).......

Onesleeptillwembley Wed 23-Oct-13 18:17:03

I'm a Tory through and through (though feel badly key down by this lot) and I think it's dreadful. But it was more believable because he is an unpleasant arrogant piece of whatever. He's disliked intensely within his own party.
By the same token, when Prescott (can't stand the man or his politics) was in trouble for hitting the idiot that egged him I totally supported him.
Politics aside, right is right and wrong is wrong. Sadly that's lost on some people.

flatpackhamster Wed 23-Oct-13 21:27:53

According to this, it has transpired from the investigation that the police officers weren't ordinary police officers at all.

They were police union officials.

limitedperiodonly Wed 23-Oct-13 21:56:33

Yes, they were officials of the Police Federation, which is the police officers' union in all but name.

Did you not realise that?

claig Wed 23-Oct-13 23:14:20

Am i missing something here?

Did Mitchell complain about what these 3 policemen said 1 year ago after the meeting? Why did it take one year for this to become an issue and for the policemen to be called before the MPs etc?

What is the alleged lie that they told?

claig Wed 23-Oct-13 23:18:00

The tape was taped 1 year ago. Why has it taken until now for the apparent discrepancy with what is on the tape and what the three policemen said to have become an issue?

ajandjjmum Wed 23-Oct-13 23:51:37

Because it was revealed in conjunction with the findings of the enquiry, when the West Mercia force said that the Police had done nothing wrong.

So as I see it, AM held fire waiting for an investigation to be announced, and when it was a whitewash, brought out his evidence.

He doesn't seem to be a very appealing character, but I think the way the Police (with encouragement from the media?) have handled this, has been dreadful, and I'm glad he's got proof that they were lying after the meeting.

claig Thu 24-Oct-13 00:01:50

Thanks, ajandjjmum, that makes it clearer.
Is it possible to make clear what the lie actually is alleged to be and if it is on tape how can they deny it if it is a lie?

Is the alleged lie ambiguous or is it a clear cut lie?

claig Thu 24-Oct-13 00:09:31

OK, I think I have finally got it. The BBC have linked to the full transcript.

ajandjjmum Thu 24-Oct-13 00:10:59

I think the lie was that the three police fed chaps said he did not apologise for what he had said, and the tape showed that he clearly did.

claig Thu 24-Oct-13 00:16:42

The BBC has the video of what the policeman says and he does say that Mitchell did apologise for what he said

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24537521

Chipstick10 Thu 24-Oct-13 06:57:33

I think what is worse is the original aledged fit up of Mitchell at the gates of Downing Street.
Obviously it is still on going but it seems a police officer posed as a member of the public to back up the story the police officers told the sun newspaper. Am I alone in thinking this is so so serious, worrying and frightening?

ajandjjmum Thu 24-Oct-13 09:04:06

I agree Chipstick - the man is generally disliked, and I think that whoever 'masterminded' the set-up assumed that the public would side with the Police. Very scary.

limitedperiodonly Thu 24-Oct-13 09:19:25

Am I alone in thinking this is so so serious, worrying and frightening?

No, you're not. Five people have been arrested over the original incident, four of them serving police officers. It happened a year ago and they still haven't been charged.

trish5000 Thu 24-Oct-13 09:42:32

I was brought up to trust the police. Respect the police. If I was lost, to ask a policeman to help me [even in those days, I think my parents had the view that there was a policeman around every corner!].

Now. hmm. Not sure what to think. I already knew there were some doing bad behaviour in the met.[ Had a trusted relative who worked there]. How many more? 1 bad apple in every station? Not sure quite what to think.

To answer the ops op. Yes, I did believe the officers.

Onesleeptillwembley Thu 24-Oct-13 10:22:11

This makes me seriously question (well actually makes me doubt) the integrity of the Police Federation itself.

bobthebuddha Thu 24-Oct-13 11:00:37

"Five people have been arrested over the original incident, four of them serving police officers. It happened a year ago and they still haven't been charged."

Despite clearly manufacturing evidence. Apparently there's no case to answer! There's not even an apology. There is no accountability, ranks have closed from top to bottom. It's extraordinary.

I note that none of the angry posters from the original thread have pitched up here yet either.

flatpackhamster Thu 24-Oct-13 11:05:49

Well, they wouldn't, would they? "Posh Evil Tory Calls Rozzers Plebs" is a devastating indictment of the evil conservative party, whereas "Police Union Reps manufacture evidence to destroy minister's career" is merely whitehall tittle-tattle, and is clearly smearing those decent, hard-working, honest, upright people who wisely brought this to the country's attention. Like the Guardian.

bobthebuddha Thu 24-Oct-13 11:17:12

“Orthodoxy means not thinking - not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness.”

Perhaps people need to start questioning their orthodoxies a little more.

limitedperiodonly Thu 24-Oct-13 14:40:27

I note that none of the angry posters from the original thread have pitched up here yet either.

Well, there's me. But I stuck up for him. I'm no fan of the Conservatives, just less keen on lying Plod.

The Police Federation went to The Sun with this fairytale, not The Guardian btw

Chipstick10 Thu 24-Oct-13 15:51:35

The Sun have been outrageous regarding this matter. Even when the story was beginning to fall apart they stood by it like glue, and when it did fall apart and officers were exposed as posing as members of the public the Sun almost justified it because Andrew MItchell isn't there favorite person. Shocking.

Onesleeptillwembley Thu 24-Oct-13 16:10:02

That would be The Sun that reported the Police version of Hillsborough.

limitedperiodonly Thu 24-Oct-13 16:46:14

I heard a black joke about The Sun and the police vs people they don't like yesterday.

If those officers who were so reluctant to open the gates at Downing Street had been on duty at Hillsborough nobody would have lied, and nobody would have died either.

Abra1d Thu 24-Oct-13 16:50:11

This makes me angry. I thought the police would be essentially honest.

deepfriedsage Thu 24-Oct-13 17:23:49

I am still very upset by the Police officers behavior, top to bottom.

limitedperiodonly Thu 24-Oct-13 17:38:54

But really? I'm not trying to be nasty, truly I'm not, but did you not think police officers at the least close ranks out of misguided loyalty to The Job, and at the very worst are corrupt?

I don't think most police officers are corrupt. I don't have any evidence for that but I think most people are essentially good. But I also think most people are easily led and the prevailing familial culture in the police doesn't help.

I also think there is a working class culture and pride in getting your hands dirty that means that anyone who's a book-learner or dissents is ostracised.

I say that as a book-learner of working class origins. Not a police officer, but who used to have a lot of contact with them professionally.

If you're a plumber or a taxi driver who's easily led you can't do much harm. But if you're a police officer the scope is terrifying.

limitedperiodonly Thu 24-Oct-13 18:00:03

I also think the police have enjoyed such a position of trust that some of them can get away with murder. Literally.

That complacency does make most of them shit liars, as we saw yesterday and also in the parliamentary News International inquiries. I'm still divvying up whether it's more shocking than embarrassing.

Maybe we might be in for a change now. It depends how far the Government can push this, and though I don't support them in anything else, I do here.

this was a chance. There's further reading to be done but it's a start

However, Margaret Thatcher's government closed it down because it needed the police on side.

Someone might say that's where my lefty side shows. Okay. But if anyone does that I'd say I stuck up for Mitchell because though I have a political viewpoint, I like to think I am fair and try to look at the bigger picture.

deepfriedsage Thu 24-Oct-13 18:08:31

I thunk you presented a fair summary.

deepfriedsage Thu 24-Oct-13 18:09:13

think

limitedperiodonly Thu 24-Oct-13 18:14:49

If you'd have stuck with thunk I'd have accepted it as a joke deepfriedsage grin

deepfriedsage Thu 24-Oct-13 18:23:35

grin

Abra1d Thu 24-Oct-13 20:11:50

Police officers aren't WC, are they, though? Not that these old labels make much sense these days.

trish5000 Thu 24-Oct-13 21:03:46

It would be nice if some mumsnet police wives came on here, so we could here their pov. There are some.

scurryfunge Thu 24-Oct-13 21:19:11

Trish, there are probably as many police officers on here as wives. Some of us are Wimmin too grin

FlaseFuckerSpider Thu 24-Oct-13 21:21:58

Scurryfunge what do you Wimmin PC's make of it all?

scurryfunge Thu 24-Oct-13 21:27:07

I'm shocked and worried and agree with a good deal of what limited period is saying. The toothless tiger is not to be trusted evidently and is a political organisation not truly representing the rank and file.

limitedperiodonly Thu 24-Oct-13 21:28:33

Are you an officer scurryfunge? What do you think?

limitedperiodonly Thu 24-Oct-13 21:29:09

Sorry. x-posted

FlaseFuckerSpider Thu 24-Oct-13 21:34:25

What worries you? What are your colleagues making of it all?

scurryfunge Thu 24-Oct-13 21:43:27

Just what I said before. Worried about any dishonesty and lack of integrity.

FlaseFuckerSpider Thu 24-Oct-13 21:55:35

There seems to be dishonesty and from all over the place, different levels and forces. Public confidence in the force has been massively dented, not just over this, this was the final straw for me.

I feel sorry for any officer who isn't a sheep or corrupt, they will be feeling shite.

Limited has hit the nail on the head

But I also think most people are easily led and the prevailing familial culture in the police doesn't help.

scurryfunge Thu 24-Oct-13 22:07:01

Agree public confidence is dented.

trish5000 Thu 24-Oct-13 22:13:44

Sorry scurryfunge blush. I think I remember a thread started by police wives on here about a month ago? Particularly about the long hours culture? And that thread stuck in my mind.

And appreciate you coming here to post. Not sure I have any questions. It cant be an easy time right now.

scurryfunge Thu 24-Oct-13 22:27:47

Trish, I've been following that thread too. Totally sympathise with police partners.DH puts up with a lot of crap from my shift pattern.The police culture is strong and damages a lot of relationships.

limitedperiodonly Thu 24-Oct-13 22:46:06

Abra1d Working class is probably not the right descriptor.

But there is a police culture of male, white, anti-intellectual, hands-dirty - bugger me, that's worse than describing it as working class, which is what I am, or used to be. And possibly still am.

I'm not trying to get above myself or claim to be a working class hero.

But that aspect is repellent and has to change.

limitedperiodonly Thu 24-Oct-13 22:48:04

scurryfunge i dipped in and out of that thread too. It takes a lot.

IsobelEliza Thu 24-Oct-13 23:03:43

Haven't met him myself but someone told me they found him very arrogant and patronizing. I think the police work under extremely tight regulation these days and the public have nothing to fear. This was a political story not a criminal matter and the federation reps were misrepresenting a situation just as Politicians often do. They certainly frequently misrepresent situations in relation to the police, frequently blaming them for society's ills (Hillsborough aside which was horrendous but a long time ago and times have changed in the police).

deepfriedsage Thu 24-Oct-13 23:31:25

Scurryfunge thanks for posting, it can't have been easy for you.

It must feel awful to see your colleagues yesterday behave as they did when interviewed.

deepfriedsage Thu 24-Oct-13 23:34:41

I hope the little videos on the pc's chests being trailed get rolled out nationally. All that can go wrong is them be broken. An uninterrupted video is much better than a little notebook.

Onesleeptillwembley Fri 25-Oct-13 00:07:02

The only surprise here is that Bettison wasn't involved before he resigned, saving his pension. He's had a finger in just about every dirty pie going.

Abra1d Fri 25-Oct-13 08:43:53

limited I know what you mean. Not meaning to be a pedant, sorry.

limitedperiodonly Fri 25-Oct-13 09:45:45

Don't worry.

Mim78 Fri 25-Oct-13 11:41:05

I did wonder if he would get his job back - seems unfair otherwise, but then maybe they can't easily switch back from the new person (sorry I have no idea who this is!).

I don't agree with his politics, but agree with others that it is shocking the police should fabricate so much of the allegation (not sure exactly which parts have been shown to be untrue but it's shocking they should be making anything up).

Backonthefence Fri 25-Oct-13 11:48:50

I have never really trusted the police some negative experiences with them in the past and in many parts police are regarded with suspicion always. This situation doesn't really surprise me. At least it has brought open their potential for dishonesty to a 'big fish' that they actually do something about rather than cover up and close ranks as they have always done.

Backonthefence Fri 25-Oct-13 11:52:22

Might and it missing from my above post my excuse is the iPhone.

trice Fri 25-Oct-13 11:55:46

What I have learned is to always record any meetings with the police. Scary.

Mim78 Fri 25-Oct-13 13:30:57

I think I feel bad because I believed it totally! Totally fell into the "this is what a Tory MP would say" trap.

cory Sat 26-Oct-13 18:55:08

Me too, Mim78.

caruthers Sun 27-Oct-13 11:21:20

If the Police can fabricate against someone with this sort of power,their powers need curtailing.

FlaseFuckerSpider Sun 27-Oct-13 11:33:45

I agree Caruthers they have far too much power, the public are putting far too much trust in these people.

Marshmallo Thu 31-Oct-13 14:37:53

Well let's be honest about our \

limitedperiodonly Tue 05-Nov-13 14:31:26

Two of the Police Federation reps who lied about their meeting with Andrew Mitchell are going back before the committee for another roasting grin

It's on Sky in about 15 minutes if anyone's reading this and is interested in watching.

Chipstick10 Tue 05-Nov-13 15:14:58

The pair of them are totally bent IMO.

limitedperiodonly Tue 05-Nov-13 15:32:18

Yep. The second one lying about his disciplinary record and then having it dragged out of him was painful.

The CCTV footage went missing, did it? And you pushed someone in the back off-duty and they cut their lip, did they? His gesture suggested that the person was holding a glass, btw.

And you just received 'advice' over that, did you? So you didn't think it counted when asked about your disciplinary record?

He lied about Mitchell and there was apparently no case to answer there either.

It wasn't just the two issues where he received 'advice' either. It was the other two or three incidents that were resolved in some way. What way?

West Mercia obviously don't give a shit what their officers do.

And the bit where the other MP, not Vaz, asked if he understood everything now, and he still weaselled out of it. I can't remember his words - it was something like 'to the best of my knowledge' which certainly looked like he was still hiding stuff and will insist it was a mistake if it comes to light.

deepfriedsage Tue 05-Nov-13 16:53:50

His employers look as bent as him now. He is a disgrace just like the one who pushed and killed the harmless paper guy.

limitedperiodonly Tue 05-Nov-13 17:06:12

I don't see the big sin in referring to Theresa May as 'that/this woman'.

If you're opposed to someone, you tend not to refer to them in glowing terms.

So what? Theresa May is a big girl.

That's about as much rope as I'm going to give them grin

BexleyFemale777 Wed 12-Mar-14 21:25:13

Sadly there are corrupt Police Officers in every station and equally there are wonderful decent officers too who do a great job, so I am not knocking every Police Officer.

However I personally know that Bexleyheath have many corrupt officers and equally so does Plumstead. Many of their officers want promotion and they will do anything to get a tick on their work sheet to help them get promotion.

I have concrete evidence of Police corruption, but no matter how much I have given police the evidence they just ignore me. My evidence was confirmed in a court of law in 2010, but still nothing was/is done.

The IPCC are not actually independent ( that seems to be a sad fact of life) and believe everything a police officer says. It is clear from published Freedom Of Information statistics that Bexleyheath Police rarely ever have a complaint against them upheld.

I have a CPS document that clearly states that CPS will prosecute a person for a crime even when the CPS themselves write that there is 'no direct evidence'. However charges are brought purely because the defendant may have previous convictions.

However when you have money and status you can fight for justice, or are lucky enough to have strong support. ( As in the PLEB case we all know about). But the vast majority of people, especially vulnerable members of society have no one to help or to listen.

wanderings Fri 14-Mar-14 08:16:59

Let's say it was a deliberate conspiracy to bring down Andrew Mitchell.

The question is... why?

They must have had a reason for wanting to bring Andrew Mitchell down.

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