Something bad happens and suddenly all these racist remarks on facebook

(90 Posts)
lottieandmia Wed 22-May-13 20:25:14

I feel terrible about what happened to that poor soldier. I was so shocked when I heard about it on the radio.

But why do people immediately start posting racist status updates starting with 'I'm not racist, I'm not against immigration' and then posting videos entitled 'Islamic infiltration in the UK'

I am going to get into rows with people over this and probably should delete my account.

Why do people think this type of terrorism has anything to do with Islam and why do people think we should start 'weeding out' people who do this. Terrorists don't even have to be residents of a country to carry out an attack.

lottieandmia Wed 22-May-13 20:26:11

What I mean is, surely the government cannot figure out who is likely to become a terrorist in any event.

FanjoForTheMammaries Wed 22-May-13 20:27:21

People are often stupid, it seems

lottieandmia Wed 22-May-13 20:36:34

I despair sad

The racists are appearing on my newsfeed. Unfortunately most seem to be family. They're still dumb fuckers

Dawndonna Wed 22-May-13 20:39:33

Aye, an abundance of morons on faceache.

topsyturner Wed 22-May-13 20:39:35

Yep , I can see me having to de friend a lot of people this evening hmm

lottieandmia Wed 22-May-13 20:40:04

Yes me too, personal clown. People too close to me to delete them. It's like an immediate roll call for people who have BNP leanings...

Overberries Wed 22-May-13 20:40:15

No racists on my Facebook feed so far. Maybe a good opportunity for a friend cull?

LineRunner Wed 22-May-13 20:41:12

lottie I think enough people feeling like you do will thankfully give this country a protective effect against racism.

Goldendandelion Wed 22-May-13 20:43:39

Same problem here sad

dingit Wed 22-May-13 20:45:21

It's what's worrying me. People spreading hatred via social media. That's how the London riots started.

KenDoddsDadsDog Wed 22-May-13 20:46:35

Appearing on my feed too. My brother in law unfortunately one of the worst.

lottieandmia Wed 22-May-13 20:49:01

Are people really so stupid that they immediately revert to xenophobia? It annoys me so much - they are adding to the problem with their bolleaux opinions.

Why do people think this type of terrorism has anything to do with Islam

Because the terrorists do?

At some point you will have to face the fact they we are being targeted by Islamic terrorists. They claim their cause is given them/inspired by Allah and they get their resolve from their deep belief in the afterlife he promises. That doesn't mean that all Muslims are terrorists, but to try and pretend that none are is just as irrational and biased.

At one time it would have been Christians doing the same kind of thing you know and claiming they were doing the Lord's work. It's not just Islam. It's just that it's mostly Islam at the moment.

Wereonourway Wed 22-May-13 20:52:39

Same here, it pisses me off.

I've cried watching the news, that's someone's son or dad lying dead in the road alone. Heartbreaking

It matters not a jot which religious group these people belong to or claim to follow. It matters than someone has lost their life in such a brutal and unjust way.

What an awful world we live in

lottieandmia Wed 22-May-13 20:53:10

Most muslims are NOT terrorists - terrorists have any number of 'causes' that they use as an excuse. It has fuck all to do with religion.

Pixel Wed 22-May-13 20:55:05

Why do people think this type of terrorism has anything to do with Islam

Erm, because the attackers said so?
BBC news says "According to senior Whitehall sources the people carrying out the attack were heard to say: "Allahu Akbar [God is Great]", (BBC political editor Nick Robinson reported). and most other news sites are reporting that the man was filmed in front of a crowd of witnesses saying ""We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you.".

PoppyWearer Wed 22-May-13 20:55:33

A friend of mine is doing sterling work telling the racists on her Facebook feeds how stupid they are being, and linking to stories about April Jones and Dale Cregan to show that white people can also do bad things.

I see me blocking a couple of people tomorrow.

miffybun73 Wed 22-May-13 20:55:42

Probably because a lot of people are very stupid and bigoted sad angry

lubeybooby Wed 22-May-13 20:56:40

None on my facebook but I've argued with a few on other peoples statuses. GRRRRRRR

Succoria Wed 22-May-13 20:57:57

I have hidden the one person likely to bring out all the "get rid of the foreign scum" nonsense. A member of DP's extended family whom I unfortunately cannot delete completely. Actually his a while ago, when they decided to repost a hideous pro-life picture.

I will be surprised if anyone else on my list does it, but if they do they will be deleted.

Dawndonna Wed 22-May-13 20:58:12

Yes, I've just told someone on a friends page to fuck off. Grrrrrr!

lottieandmia Wed 22-May-13 20:59:11

The attackers are not representative of most muslims pixel who would not condone in any way what these people did.

lottieandmia Wed 22-May-13 21:06:08

Now people are posting a picture which says

LISTEN TO US. CLOSE OUR BORDERS.

sigh. I suppose the answer is to hide and therefore avoid repeats of this.

Overberries Wed 22-May-13 21:07:43

I see some people taking action and responding to their racist friends and family or deleteing them. I also get the impression others are just happy to moan about it on a different social media site. Stand up for your morals - they are!

Succoria Wed 22-May-13 21:09:37

I was wrong. "Get the SCUM that killed our HERO out of our country, repost if you're PROUD TO BE BRITISH!!"

ODFOD.

ChasingStaplers Wed 22-May-13 21:13:48

I have just had this very conversation with someone.
It's disgusting and I've already reported some people for posts inciting people to exact revenge on the Muslim community.
I'm a little bit surprised by some of the people reposting this bollocks TBH and quite disappointed too.

lottieandmia Wed 22-May-13 21:14:05

Overberries - unfortunately mine are family and one a husband of a friend who I have known for 32 years so I can't delete them. I've posted my own status update to counter what they are saying though.

smokinaces Wed 22-May-13 21:15:03

I'm thinking of removing myself from fb before I say something I regret.

People seem to forget we have been fighting a war abroad for years. That we have as a whole been very fortunate with the very few incidents which have occurred on our land. They seem to be ignorant of the number of innocent people our government forces have killed abroad. Or that home grown English people can be evil and murderous too. Something like this happens and everyone turns into a "I'm not racist but...."

VBisme Wed 22-May-13 21:15:36

I've a lot if people horrified by the violence, but no racism.

I would defriend anyone spouting such nonsense. I think the terrorists are attempting to create racial disharmony, we won't help by wading in as well.

smokinaces Wed 22-May-13 21:15:47

Disclaimer that I do not advocate what has happened. I am sickened by it.

Overberries Wed 22-May-13 21:22:55

Lottie - that counts as being proud of your morals to me smile

I'm sure I'm not an angel, but from what some posters are reporting, half the content of FB is illegal yet we feel forced to turn a blind eye for fear of causing a stir?!

MikeLitoris Wed 22-May-13 21:25:50

I've given up trying have a reasoned discussion with any one on fb.

I can feel my blood pressure rising. I may have to delete my account before long.

Wereonourway Wed 22-May-13 21:30:15

Like mike(I think), rather than being scared to counter their shitty views its simply not worth it. My ex comes to mind, it's either black or white, no middle ground, no reasoning and a fucking huge amount of generalisation.

If there's one thing that angers me its generalisation!!!

Wannabestepfordwife Wed 22-May-13 21:31:07

The best post I have seen is from an ex soldier friend who was briefed 3 years ago that terrorists were planning to take soldiers from barracks 3 years ago and in all this time the government knowing the threat of attack decided to do nothing.

I am very proud to know him

Wannabestepfordwife Wed 22-May-13 21:31:59

I meant to put and behead them

I was about to start a very similar thread, when I saw this one. Several acquaintances showing their true colours this evening. One has put a lovely message of compassion and hope. Two others have posted stuff full of hate that makes me feel sick.

nailak Wed 22-May-13 21:35:24

OP it is Because you have racist friends.

My facebook;

"some people need to wise up....wat the hell has it got to do with me what happened today!!!!" (from a irish muslim woman in ireland)

"A man was hacked to death in broad daylight in the name of Allah. What has the world come to? What kind of exposure to Islam drives a person to kill. Who are such people exposed to that they feel justified in carrying out murder? The man even came up to a camera to rant about what he had done and make out like he was doing it in the name of Allah and to defend Muslims.He murders a man in cold blood and then takes Allah's name. What a disgrace and what an insult to Allah!

Please be vigilant as one extremist's action is another extremist's fuel. Already extremists have come out and tried to take advantage of this and divide our community. They will not succeed inshaAllah.

Not only do I condemn this act, but the process of indoctrination that has led to it. The madmen in our community must be exposed and our authorities must do more to take action against them.

Our thoughts and condolences go out to the family of the victim" (another Muslim)

"*Newham DawahTeam*
Funny how uncle muhammad saleem chaudharys murder a couple of weeks ago in birmingham wasnt treated as a 'terrorist attack' #although it aint funny.

Islamaphobia on the rise. Lets equip ourselves with beneficial knowledge and tackle these issues inshaAllah"

"On Woolwich attack... As there maybe a backlash on Muslims, my suggestions are as followed...
We go out and be even better human begins. Yes a few bad apples spoil the bunch, but here is an opportunity to show the world what we are really standing for... Peace, love, justice and harmony for all.... Shall we rename us Hippies lol.... Sorry wrong time for a joke.
The world has enough hate, lets show LOVE.... xxx" (Muslim woman)

"*Muslim Mums*
Forwarded message:
Asalaamu alaikum sisters, There's been an English soldier attacked in Woolwich (south east London) today by Muslims shouting 'Allahu Akbar'. They approached this man wearing a 'help for heroes' t-shirt and beheaded him in front of a crowd, they were also recording the attack & had knives and guns. They posed with the body on the floor asking people to take pictures & its being treated VERY seriously. When police arrived Two of the attackers were shot. It's all over the news & the attackers are clearly Muslim- this may spark a backlash, so please be very careful when you go out, whether you live nearby or not! Please pass this on in sha Allah.."

"*Appeals for Help as elderly man Stabbed to Death in Small Heath*
Can't believe how many anti-Islam pages have popped up in the last few hours. Well its about time we proved these idiots wrong. Like and Share People. Not in the Name of Islam.

https://www.facebook.com/NotInTheNameOfIslam?bookmark_t=page

Not in the name of Islam
With recent events its clear a hate campaign has started against Islam - This page has one purpose to eradicate misconceptions about Islam. I am a British Muslim - not a Jihadis. I live a peacful life, I work, Pay Taxes and respect the law of the land.
Page: 69 like this."

and so on

I think you just need to change who you have on your fb if you are having this problem.

and for all those who say Muslims dont speak out against this stuff, have a look at my time line, they do.

Pixel Wed 22-May-13 21:36:09

The attackers are not representative of most muslims pixel who would not condone in any way what these people did.

I never said they were representative. I'm well aware that the majority of muslims are decent people. I was just responding to the question of why people think it has anything to do with Islam, because plainly it does, if the attackers say that's why they did it. I don't see why we can't accept that fact whilst still acknowledging that brutes like that are in a minority? Why do we have to pretend that religion had nothing to do with it?

I'm not on facebook btw so I don't know what people are saying. I can guess though (which is why I'm not on facebook!).

notnagging Wed 22-May-13 21:36:37

Yep same heresadThis is the same area that Stephen Lawrence was murdered & his attackers still live protected. Racism is rife in Woolwich. You have the barracks & the mosque. Trouble has been brewing for years.sad

nailak Wed 22-May-13 21:39:19

where did the attackers say that is why they did it? when did it become a fact? how did it become a fact?

WhoWhatWhereWhen Wed 22-May-13 21:41:23

Many people are very distressed by what has happened, many of those comments are made in haste, sadly many people will use this to stir things up

cantbloodywellchoose Wed 22-May-13 21:44:12

A friend of mine is doing sterling work telling the racists on her Facebook feeds how stupid they are being, and linking to stories about April Jones and Dale Cregan to show that white people can also do bad things.

This is a great idea. I have been waiting for the racists to pop up on my FB feed (one person in particular is renowned for it) and I shall respond in this way when they do although it is their utterly bigoted mates that are the worst.

lottieandmia Wed 22-May-13 21:45:28

Thank you nailak. I have shared some useful links on my page.

lottieandmia Wed 22-May-13 21:47:31

Pixel - my personal view is that these people use religion as an excuse - I don't accept that their behaviour has any basis in Islam because Islam is not about this sort of stuff.

Manchesterhistorygirl Wed 22-May-13 21:58:39

There's a video of the alleged attacker on the guardian website. Stomach churning.

It's definitely unfriending time. Have you seen the EDL are already on the streets of woowhich tonight. Awful. The poor victim, his poor family.

showtunesgirl Wed 22-May-13 22:00:58

I just thoroughly checked my timeline and am very pleased to report that I will not need to Unfriend anyone.

MiniTheMinx Wed 22-May-13 22:01:03

It's not about Islam.

Islam might be the popular rallying cry and the means by which people are being indoctrinated to fight this war of terror. BUt religion is not the cause.

That man shouted "get your governments out"

Those at the top of the chain know what they are fighting..........western imperialism.

Our government is complicit in having driven this and they want you to believe that this hatred is irrational, it is anything but.

bkgirl Wed 22-May-13 22:05:52

Extremists are not representative of ordinary decent people. Racism is just ugly and idiotic.

specialsubject Wed 22-May-13 22:15:32

It is the fault of our government, is it?

Western Imperialism? WTF?

you know where the door is.

sick murderers come from all religions and backgrounds. The anti-Islam backlash is equally unjustified.

The Muslim Council of Great Britain states their position.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/

perhaps repost this to all those blaming Islam?

doubleshotespresso Wed 22-May-13 22:22:39

I have a few now ex friends posting froma page

Www.britainfirst.org

Stunned is not the word.

MiniTheMinx Wed 22-May-13 22:25:34

er.....so you think I am blaming Islam. Really, read again.

I am blaming Western Imperialism. So yes I do feel that OUR government must take its share of the responsibility.

And yes our government is more than happy to blame it on Islam and have everyone else do the same.

lottieandmia Wed 22-May-13 22:26:00

It's depressing. I've posted a few thinks to counter the ignorance.

MiniTheMinx Wed 22-May-13 22:31:07

Yes it is depressing, especially combined with the rise of support for UKIP, Cameron's blathering about immigration, Osborne's crap about austerity making Britain great and half the Tories wanting out of Europe.

Mines is mostly racist crap (friends talking on friends of friends status'), it seems no one has pointed out to them that the man in the video (judging by his accent) is quite obviously English. hmm

Thankfully though, I have far more reasoned, level headed people posting. The best so far has been a massive post from a soldier friend talking about Muslim soldiers and

nailak Wed 22-May-13 22:53:00
ChasingStaplers Wed 22-May-13 22:53:47

I've just posted a status summing up what I think about what's happened and the ensuing bigotry.
Luckily I've only seen a couple of posts that made me angry such as: 'I'm not racist but . . . If you don't like it go home' and such bollocks. angry

doubleshotespresso Wed 22-May-13 23:15:09

nailak Thank-you, I have just shared this on my faceache page.....

Pan Wed 22-May-13 23:26:58

Well, lets face it - any act at all will easily trigger people who are xenophobic and racist to post their bilge at the slightest invitation.

The obv trick is to not allow their sort of hatred against millions and millions of people to infect them and those around them. Such individuals are quietly disturbed, in a similar way the attackers are blatantly disturbed. Lets keep the hatred in the tiny box it deserves to be.

ivykaty44 Wed 22-May-13 23:28:10

At some point you will have to face the fact they we are being targeted by Islamic terrorists.

At some point did we have to face the fact they we are being targeted by ira terrorists who were being funded by north americans and catholic?

the answer to both is a resounding no

Schro I had to point that out to a few. When in the video he says Where I'm from etc I was thinking you are from London, wtf you talking about?!

SP I've posted on FB saying it and have now ended up in an argument.

The racism isn't slowing down, it's getting worse.

ivykaty44 Wed 22-May-13 23:47:44

it si a blame game- lets blame 10% of the population for all that is wrong with this country, instead of working out what would make this ocuntry better these people want to blame less than 1% of the population for eveything that is going wrong.

It isn't logical it is lazy thinking, it is stupidity at its most dangerous sad

nailak Wed 22-May-13 23:52:54

sp i have to point out I have friends who were born in somalia, they may have came over here as kids aged 4 or 5 but the time before that they remember, and the stuff they remember if you ever get them to talk about it and admit it is awful. So although for all intents and purposes they are from London, they can still identify with war torn countries.

feeltheforce Thu 23-May-13 00:00:30

Re OP - this type of terrorism has EVERYTHING to do with Islamism I'm afraid. It's a political ideology based on faith and provoked by a clash with western values. Doesn't make every muslim a terrorist anymore than every Catholic supported the IRA. However, when that group don't show their strong opposition to what is done in their name then all are tarred with same brush.

Pan Thu 23-May-13 00:08:41

Well that's utter bollocks feeltheforce - those people short of thinking skills will see your sense, and insist other muslims make statements, when thier own good sense should make the need for those 'statements' irrelevant.

Nailak I said that was my thought due to his accent. He was saying how he apologises for women seeing it here but women see it in his country. This is his country. I have used this on FB when people have been saying send immigrants back home etc that he is in fact home.

He killed an innocent man and that's his excuse?! His reasoning is it happens in a another country? He might use religion as an excuse as well but no. He is an evil man no matter where he is from or what religion he believes.

nailak Thu 23-May-13 00:45:05

the thing is it is our country, until people start telling us otherwise, then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy is you see what i mean, even on mumsnet, in every single one of these threads, i have to say hold on this is our country, what you mean muslims should go somewhere else if they dont like it etc, i have had people telling me if i wear scarf i am seperating myself from society etc, so some people feel allegiance to two countries, is not a big deal.

lottieandmia Thu 23-May-13 01:21:31

One of the haters on my page did a bit of a U turn status after what I posted.

Another is banging on about we should take a leaf out of Australia's book. They can speak for themselves!!

Barbarashop Thu 23-May-13 01:27:11

I've posted this on my Facebook page:
www.youtu.be/RxvWGROpjEs

nailak Thu 23-May-13 01:27:38

link dont work ^^

Barbarashop Thu 23-May-13 01:31:21

Link failure - I can't work it out bUt search youtube for: Islam against terrorism "to a suicide bomber"

Barbarashop Thu 23-May-13 01:32:10

http://youtu.be/RxvWGROpjEs

Barbarashop Thu 23-May-13 01:32:26

Ahhhh - can't do it!!!

KRITIQ Thu 23-May-13 01:37:35

I'm so glad I don't have Facebook. I don't want to know that my second cousin's husband more a colleague I worked with 3 jobs ago is a racist arse. I don't think my blood pressure could take it.

I think sadly there are alot of folks out there who do harbour racist, islamaphobic and other bigoted views, even if they don't broadcast the fact all the time. They are on the "alert" for examples that support their views because these give them a sort of "permission" to be more candid in talking about what they believe. I certainly don't believe that today, thousands of folks suddenly turned into bigots because of one (albeit terrible) murder. The incident has simply flushed them out from their cover and because they are hearing/seeing so many voices that concur with theirs, they feel more emboldened in their bigotry.

Having said that, I manage the works Twitter feed and have been heartened that so many folks are prepared to call out the ridiculous and biased reporting from some mainstream media and calling for solidarity with and amongst Muslims and people of colour. Okay, maybe we follow people whose knuckles don't drag the ground (so to speak,) but I also don't think we can completely take a gauge of public opinion just based on the tiny proportion of the population who use social media.

lottieandmia Thu 23-May-13 01:59:01

'I think sadly there are alot of folks out there who do harbour racist, islamaphobic and other bigoted views, even if they don't broadcast the fact all the time. They are on the "alert" for examples that support their views because these give them a sort of "permission" to be more candid in talking about what they believe.'

So true - you've hit the nail on the head there.

Lottie, I think you must have the same friends as me as I am now seeing all the Australia crap.

MiniTheMinx Thu 23-May-13 08:15:57

Un-friended two bigots last night. I had no idea that either of them were nationalist and racist.

nailak "So although for all intents and purposes they are from London, they can still identify with war torn countries"

YY

KRITIQ Thu 23-May-13 08:26:56

Nailak and Mini - when I was growing up in the US in the 70's and early 80's, many Irish Americans identified with and some even financially supported Irish Republican causes. (Anyone remember NORAID?) Most were 2nd or even 3rd, 4th or 5th generation immigrants to the US, but felt no conflict in their dual identity and dual loyalty. Happens.

Sheshelob Thu 23-May-13 08:28:06

Some of the filth that people are posting on FB is gobsmacking.

There is something about this attack that reminds me of the mentally ill man who decapitated the pensioner in Tenerife because he thought he was Jesus Christ. Calling the Woolwich attack terrorism just doesn't ring true with the evidence that we have so far.

KingRollo Thu 23-May-13 08:43:03

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Dawndonna Thu 23-May-13 08:54:02
lottieandmia Thu 23-May-13 09:32:26

And so it goes on. It's similar to those 'If our flag offends you pack your bags and leave' stupid pages.

I can't believe people think like this. However, I grew up in a family who made ignorant comments. As I grew up I could see they were wrong. I think though, that having challenged my mum on points like this for years now, she seems to have come around to my way of thinking.

I am happy to report that after my deleting frenzy last night, most posts are in support of troops but no outright racism anymore.

Am hiding all fuckwit family. If I can't see it then I can ignore them.

thenightsky Tue 28-May-13 22:34:59

Oh God... I'm currently in a verbal war with a 26 year old mate of DD's. She's linking to the DM on FB. Its getting messy.

NanaNina Wed 29-May-13 14:12:58

Same here. My nephew has been posting racist crap on FB and I am ashamed and embarassed, but I have just been ignoring it in the hope that if I don't comment, no one else on my FB will see his comments. Not sure if that's how it works, but I thought I could only see "friends of friends" if they were in a conversation, but I gather it depends on privacy settings.

I so agree that there are racists out there, on the alert and ready to "jump in" with racist comments at every opportunity. UKIP try to hide their racism but as far as I'm concerned they are fascists in suits.

Of course I deplore what happened to the soldier, but it would have been terrible had it been anyone and there would not been nearly so much coverage in that case. I agree with smokesinaces - many people just don't seem to realise that hundreds of ordinary citizens (including children) have been killed in the US/UK war in Iraq and Afghanistan. They use drones, and other sophisticated equipment to kill the enemy and ok that's what war is about, but when innocent people get killed, that is just bad luck. I am actually surprised that there hasn't been more of a backlash here, given the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Blair took us into the war in Iraq on a false premise (or a lie) he knew damn well there were no "weapons of mass destruction" - he just wanted to join forces with Bush. The only politicians who were principled enough to stand up to him were the late Robin Cook and Claire Short. The others said nothing.

I suspect that the 2 blokes in this attack were just a couple of over zealous "loose cannons" as the plan did not seem to be sophisticated in any way. I can only assume that by waiting for the police to arrive they were akin to "suicide bombers" - and wanted to be imprisoned for life for the sake of Allah. Of course it was nonsense to talk about people being killed in "our land" as this is their land, but I think they were just trying to draw attention to the fact that innocent people were being killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. I think Cameron has his sights set on Iran too, though does not dare to take them on, and it won't be long I fear before Europe is involved with the civil war in Syria. It's all about the oil isn't it.

KenDoddsDadsDog Thu 30-May-13 08:11:22

Just deleted my best friends husband. A week of ridiculous posts culminating with a 'piss off we're full' and linking a BNP thing. I don't want to see it any more.

NanaNina Thu 30-May-13 12:43:38

I find it scarey that there are so many racists out there and they crawl out of the woodwork at the first opportunity. I believe that some of the police are still racist. I saw on the news a young black man in a jewellers shop suddenly being pounced on by a huge copper, and he had him in a headlock in seconds, and then about 4 other beefy coppers piled in on him. It was very clear to see on CCTV, and guess what, there were no charges bought. The bloke was actually trying to buy a Valentine gift for his girlfriend, but in the copper's mind - black guy in a jewellers shop - must be on the rob!! The number of "stop and searches" of black and Asian blokes still considerably outnumbers those of white people.

Thing is, so many people read the tabloids and the DM of course and they are full of right wing reactionary shit, and because it's in the paper, people believe it has to be true.

lottieandmia Thu 30-May-13 16:18:42

NanaNina - I completely agree with your posts.

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