'Bring them all back to Portugal’- Robert Murat on the Mccanns,in the Sunday Express

(89 Posts)
kweggie Sun 05-May-13 19:42:08

Robert Murat,(who was originally made an arguido by the Portuguese police as were Kate and Gerry McCann), has appealed to Scotland Yard to get the 'Tapas Nine' back to Portugal to stage a reconstruction of the 48 hours leading to the disappearance of Madeleine Mccann in 2007.

As Scotland Yard have so far spent an estimated 4.5 million of public money reviewing this case, is there any justifiable reason for the parents and their friends to refuse this?

jkklpu Sun 05-May-13 22:27:29

Um, if the police haven't suggested it themselves and don't think there's any mileage in it?

kweggie Sun 05-May-13 22:58:27

The Portuguese police asked them all to do it but they declined.They were back in the UK by then.

Viviennemary Sun 05-May-13 23:12:27

There doesn't seem a lot of point after all this time. And they probably feel they have answered everything they can and would be upset about going over it all again.

CognitiveOverload Sun 05-May-13 23:15:48

This is all speculation and not very sensitive or helpful.

OliviaMMumsnet (MNHQ) Sun 05-May-13 23:36:18

CognitiveOverload

This is all speculation and not very sensitive or helpful.

Indeed.

thezebrawearspurple Mon 06-May-13 01:00:54

It's too late now, the time for that was six years ago. The child is long dead.

I have had four sons....two of my children died - one because of congenital heart problems and one was knocked down and killed by a lorry. I recognise my emotions when I look into their families eyes x

The McCann family stay inside my heart and my mind always. I cannot comprehend not knowing where my child was/is.

It is indeed all speculation. x

kweggie Mon 06-May-13 09:33:10

Sorry, what is all speculation?

kweggie Mon 06-May-13 10:08:06

Police investigations are surely conducted to get at the truth. This must be what the Mccanns want. I don't think 'sensitivity' should be the main issue if a child has disappeared. Finding out what happened should.

DyeInTheEar Mon 06-May-13 11:11:09

Shabba I am sorry for your awful losses.

I feel desperately sad for the McCanns.

5318008 Mon 06-May-13 11:15:19

OP you are asking us to speculate on whether a course of action suggested by a newspaper is a good use of money.

um, no thanks.

Shabba I am so sorry for your losses sad

kweggie Mon 06-May-13 12:00:06

it wasn't suggested by a newspaper originally, it was requested by the Portuguese police. The Mccanns and their friends refused, and as they were back in the uk and it was a Portuguese investigation, they couldn't be made to attend. The Uk review has so far cost an estimated 4.5 million pounds of taxpayers' money. If a reconstruction would clarify inconsistencies in the original statements, why wouldn't you want to go and sort it out?

5318008 Mon 06-May-13 12:13:30

still not going to speculate, and as you can see from the responses, most Mners don't want to, either

If you want to speculate, ask your mates or family

HTH

kweggie Mon 06-May-13 12:16:35

this is a forum

NotTreadingGrapes Mon 06-May-13 12:19:09

Actually, I'm not going to speculate either, and nor do I want to, but there was no speculating going on as far as I can see in the first few posts that necessitated an HQ post.

kweggie Mon 06-May-13 12:24:28

sorry, what's an HQ post?

ZZZenagain Mon 06-May-13 12:31:39

post from MN HQ (head quarters), see the one coloured differently below

MyHeadWasInTheSandNowNot Mon 06-May-13 12:40:28

I don't care how much tax payers money they spend on trying to find Madeleine McCann or any other missing child - it's money well spent. I trust her parents to do what they & the met police think is right - it breaks my heart that she is still missing, I just can't imagine what they go through on a daily basis - speculating about what they should or shouldn't be doing according to Robert Murat is a waste of time. Still if it draws attention to a child that is still missing, knock your socks off.

Booyhoo Mon 06-May-13 12:40:35

I would imagine that if the police felt a reconstruction would unearth something or show up inconsistincies they would have done it by now. Wht is murat's agenda?

Soupa Mon 06-May-13 12:43:55

Shabbysad so sorry for your loss and so much respect for your empathy.

Thank you everybody. To not know where you child is - wether they are alive or dead - must be mental torture every second of every day. I cannot comprehend how they must feel - truly cannot.

kweggie Mon 06-May-13 13:24:38

Booyhoo, that's my point. The police themselves wanted to do a reconstruction but the Mccanns and their friends didn't want to. I don't know what Robert Murat's agenda is either but if it solves what has happened to Madeleine this can only be a good thing? Why keep spending money if this would shed light on it immediately?

Booyhoo Mon 06-May-13 14:01:42

If the police really thought it would help they wouldnt have needed the mcanns and friends back to di the recon the coild have used actors.

Murat agenda is surely to shine the spotlight anywhere but himself. I wonder if hes feeling a bit of heat or paranoia and needs to deflect the attention.

kweggie Mon 06-May-13 14:18:52

but the point was that the police thought there were inconsistencies. Actors couldn't explain them or remember things.

ItsYonliMe Mon 06-May-13 14:45:57

Kweggie comes on here now and again and talks about this sad case and attempts to to wind people up. Best ignored.

Booyhoo Mon 06-May-13 19:17:12

ah, really? thanks for heads up.

Portofino Mon 06-May-13 19:22:06

Murat is an attention seeker IMHO. He was at the time, turning up offering to translate etc, and this is probably more of the same. He probably gets a few quid for offering his "thoughts" to the papers. Best ignore really.

ExRatty Mon 06-May-13 19:40:43

Those poor people. I wonder if Murat is doing it to put further distance between himself and what went on.
It must have been very difficult for him and his family also

RooneyMara Mon 06-May-13 19:50:58

This will go poof in a minute.

It's a bit like the Gina Ford thing I think, high risk of litigation if you print anything.

Chipstick10 Mon 06-May-13 20:48:59

Why is it that any old thread on mumsnet can carry on without a word from headquarters. Anything to do with race, or posters feeling they are being bullied and yet the second a thread appears about kate and Gerry, then word from on high appears. Are they untouchable? Are we not allowed an opinion?

Portofino Mon 06-May-13 21:03:50

Of course but Kate and Gerry have funds and form for suing. And it it just plain wrong to do speculation, which is what most of these threads turn into. My dd is just a bit younger tan Madeleine. The whole thing is unthinkable really.

Chipstick10 Mon 06-May-13 21:07:04

I have so much I would love to say, my blood boils so I will slip off quietly or I will probably get banned.

CognitiveOverload Mon 06-May-13 21:11:38

Why should your opinion amount to anything other thannoure speculation. This isn't an aibu thread about a ride mother in law. This is a legal issue. Keep your opinion to yourself. I find it extremely offensive that people feel they have a right to speculate on something so sensitive and serious, based purely on media footage.

Portofino Mon 06-May-13 21:12:12

Do you have exciting new evidence then, Chipstick?

AmandaPayneAteTooMuchChocolate Mon 06-May-13 21:17:19

Why on earth would the opinion of a suspect/person of interest (for want of a literal translation) be relevant to what parents of a missing child do?

I was not a parent when Madeline McCann went missing. I am now. Just thinking about the pain they must endure blows my mind. Like a new loss every single day.

Portofino Mon 06-May-13 21:25:31

There was an anniversary Amanda, he is just doing his claim to fame bit/ earning exta cash.

AmandaPayneAteTooMuchChocolate Mon 06-May-13 21:26:52

Ah, I see Porto. Which Kweggie wants to help him out with?

Portofino Mon 06-May-13 21:42:52

Presumably, or conspiracy theory type of stuff.

Nope, I think this is a distasteful op as well Kweggie.

Portofino Mon 06-May-13 21:52:28

Well quite. There is no evidence to link Robert Murat with this at all. So he he should keep his fucking beak out. It's not up to him what the police do. Is just newspaper headlines.

kweggie Mon 06-May-13 23:51:15

I fail to see what is distasteful about asking other mners opinions, and it is disappointing that some of you think you have carte blanche to swear and be downright rude. This sad story is constantly in the headlines and I am as entitled as anyone else to ask an opinion.

Portofino, what do you mean 'there is no evidence to link Robert Murat with this?' with what?

Goldmandra Tue 07-May-13 00:01:14

is there any justifiable reason for the parents and their friends to refuse this?

There could well be a dozen perfectly good reasons. Why would they need to justify themselves to us?

I appreciate that they have used the media to try to find their daughter but that doesn't give us the right to pass comment on decisions about which we, no doubt, have only some of the relevant information.

toffeelolly Tue 07-May-13 02:20:19

Do you think it would even help?

Isabeller Tue 07-May-13 02:24:50

Hugs and respect to shabba my heart goes out to the McCann family

noddyholder Tue 07-May-13 06:52:19

God yes Reconstruction plus lie detectors to put an end to all doubt and speculation and then it will be up to Scotland yard whether they continue this v expensive 'search'

noddyholder Tue 07-May-13 06:53:15

It is not up to the parents either to pressureccameron

noddyholder Tue 07-May-13 06:57:30

Friends son worked on case i mentioned something he said here 100% true and fairly innocuous ad I gt banned for a week!

I won't speculate or make my opinion known, but i don't see why this would help. Too many years have gone by, the chances of ever finding her are slim.
But having said that, you would think that the parents would try anything to get their child back, considering all the countless times they are in the media anyway. I cant see why they would not go through with this, but will write books and go on tv shows. It could be that the other people of the group don't want their identities splashed all over tv and newspapers due to hate groups etc but they should have thought about that when they assisted the mcanns in leaving their 3 children alone.

noddyholder Tue 07-May-13 07:03:21

It might stop the gossip ad ascertain how much tie exactly any abductor had etc which could give them clues. It is a high profile case and normal

RooneyMara Tue 07-May-13 08:16:56

I agree with Noddy.

Patchouli Tue 07-May-13 09:34:37

Around the anniversary is about the only time a little bit of media might mention this case again. And there's not a lot to say, so a soundbite from Murat will do.
I wonder if the McCann's are glad when people are talking about it at this time of year or not.
They used to seem to want a bit of publcity for Madeleine.

EldritchCleavage Tue 07-May-13 11:45:10

This sad story is constantly in the headlines

No it isn't.
Nor is there any indication that the Portuguese police are actively seeking the parents' and friends' return to Portugal for a reconstruction or any other reason. Surely active investigation is at an end?

The idea that something will miraculously come to light if there is a reconstruction now is fanciful. Only people with a distinct anti-McCann agenda seem to be persuaded of this.

Someone on another thread referred to the distasteful amateur detectives and 'cut-price Poirots' who harp on about these cases, and I completely agree. People who treat these real-life tragedies as a kind of entertainment puzzle and opportunity to show how clever they are ought to be ashamed of themselves.

noddyholder Tue 07-May-13 11:49:59

Why is it anti mccann to think a proper timed detailed reconstruction would establish the facts and take the spotlight off them rather than onto them. I suppose the man who suggests it in that article may have an agenda as he was rubbished and accused in the press and in print. It is not amateur detective to discuss a case where indeed the family themselves want to keep it as much in the news as possible while they look for her.

Goldmandra Tue 07-May-13 12:01:36

It is 'anti-McCann' to suggest that the reconstruction isn't being done for any other reason than that it is not felt that it would be useful. I imagine that if the McCanns thought it would bring them some answers they,themselves, would be pushing hard for it to go ahead.

Those in possession of the facts, rather than the media speculation, have made this decision. I'm sure a reconstruction would be highly entertaining and informative for lots of amateur sleuths people who are interested in what happened to the child. That isn't a good reason for them to be pressured into going through such a traumatic ordeal.

AnAirOfHope Tue 07-May-13 12:23:12

I dont think it will help, with computer techniques you can do a reconstruction from statements made at the time. There is no need to upset people as it is very emotional for all involved.

There is no body and human trafficing is on the increase i will always hold on to hope that little girl is alive and will be reunited with her family.

RooneyMara Tue 07-May-13 13:32:04

this is about the reconstruction that was proposed in 2008

not sure if the site is pro or anti but I think the documents were made available under FOI. No opinions given on the page afaik.

Booyhoo Tue 07-May-13 14:16:45

"It could be that the other people of the group don't want their identities splashed all over tv and newspapers due to hate groups etc but they should have thought about that when they assisted the mcanns in leaving their 3 children alone."

dont be so bloody ridiculous! angry

SarahBumBarer Tue 07-May-13 14:32:03

I think this is a distatesful OP and subject but...

I am speculating about HQs speedy intervention!

MrsSalvoMontalbano Tue 07-May-13 15:38:46

Sarah indeed! grin

Why is it ridiculous, its partly their fault she is missing as they helped look in on the children. Why would they want to be shoved into the public eye, when it will help no-one.

Booyhoo Tue 07-May-13 16:40:31

hmm

A decent friend wouldn't have helped them they would have objected to them even doing it in the first place. Yes you may hmm but its reality

5318008 Tue 07-May-13 16:51:31

<hides thread>

Booyhoo Tue 07-May-13 16:52:26

keep going. do you want a shovel?

Hides thread, not a bad word about anyone can be said as usual.....

noddyholder Tue 07-May-13 17:12:17

A shovel?

MrsSalvoMontalbano Tue 07-May-13 17:30:42

I don't suppose Portugal wants that lot back - they caused enough trouble last time.

MissHilly Tue 07-May-13 17:43:08

When is the Scotland Yard reviewed due to be wrapped up or is it just ongoing?

kweggie Tue 07-May-13 19:04:14

I don't think there is a deadline.

kweggie Tue 07-May-13 19:19:22

I'm still trying to work out what is 'distasteful' to some of you about discussing a front page news story from Sunday? Very knee-jerk -some of you feel free to speculate and rudely, about me and my motives, but hypocritically I am disdained for wondering whether a reconstruction that was apparently indefinitely postponed by the parents and friends might actually bring a speedier resolution to an investigation that is costing millions of public money.
Thank you Rooney Mara for the interesting link, btw.

MrsSalvoMontalbano Tue 07-May-13 19:46:43

kewggie, not sure if you are new to MN, but usually threads on this subjects are pulled rather peremptorily by HQ, which is probably why you are only getting responses from the pro-McCanns. Those of a more sceptical disposition will have been previously threatened with a ban from MNHQ for posting, as Noddy alluded to further down the thread. So please don't be disappointed by a lack of support for your position.

Portofino Tue 07-May-13 19:49:27

A reconstruction after this amount of time is worthless. I can remember my holiday from 6 years ago to a degree of detail, but not times of who did what, what people looked like, random strangers I might have walked past....

Portofino Tue 07-May-13 19:51:19

They had a timeline/made detailed statements at the time. Why should anyone remember MORE now?

MissHilly Tue 07-May-13 19:52:39

I think though, they would probably base the reconstruction on the statements given to the police at the time rather than asking everyone to recall their movements again from that night.

MissAnnersley Tue 07-May-13 19:52:44

I presume that the people required for the reconstruction will have made statements though?

Wouldn't a reconstruction be put together by them and then any gaps filled in by their police statements?

I'm sure I've seen reconstructions of older cases than this one.

MrsSalvoMontalbano Tue 07-May-13 19:57:06

Portofino - agree - too long ago, no point. Who can remember what they were doing several years ago? I remember first hearing on MN that a DC has disappeared on a beach in Portugal. We were heading that day to a wedding in Bristol. I remember a few key things about that wedding, ( like the fact that I left the DC trousers at home, so we needed to make a lightning dash to a supermarket to buy new ones...) but could no way do a reconstruction of that day if it were demanded now.

MissHilly Tue 07-May-13 20:04:37

Not only can reconstructions jog the memory but they can also prove or disprove the sequence of events.
Interesting Wiki page on the purpose of crime reconstructions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_reconstruction

Floggingmolly Tue 07-May-13 20:10:31

On what basis did they refuse to return when the Portuguese police requested it the first time? Very strange.

Corygal Tue 07-May-13 20:20:33

I can't help wondering if the McCanns would feel easier if they grieved. Having said that, they're probably looking at the pix of the 3 women rescued after 10 years and their hearts are leaping.

I do feel for them, but it's one of those classic cases that prove the rest of us should avoid the news or face being pointlessly depressed. Where is the value in that for anybody.

kweggie Tue 07-May-13 20:32:43

Thanks Mrs Salvo, yes I'm fairly new and contrary to what another poster wrote, this is only the second thread I've started on the Madeleine Mccann case . The last thread I started was about the horrific death of an autistic boy who was set on fire and the perpetrator got 3 and a half years-I contacted my Mp and the Justice minister over that.....As a parent I find these things upsetting and I think it is right to have a questioning approach to Life.
And it seems to me this sad story IS constantly in the news:sightings,book signings, marathons and runs, Leveson, Hacked Off, etc etc and the story on Sunday -so I don't know whereon earth the poster who said it wasn't in the news has been living for the last six years........

Guess some people would rather be rude first and think later.....

edam Tue 07-May-13 20:36:08

MrsSalvo - your claim that threads are pulled rather peremptorily by HQ is unfair and untrue. HQ pulls posts that conflict with the talk guidelines or may be defamatory or otherwise conflict with the law in some way. Those guidelines are easy to find - at the top of the page under 'Talk'. It's not that hard to write reasonable posts.

If you want to pour scorn on anyone involved and indulge yourself in pointing the finger, feel free to do it elsewhere. And check your bank account. Being sued can be an expensive business.

RooneyMara Tue 07-May-13 20:40:43

FloggingMolly I think that they were still officially 'arguidos' at the time and going by the stuff in my link further down, they were probably afraid of being detained again by the PJ.

They are no longer arguidos so maybe that makes it safer for them but I agree that it would be very hard to remember exactly what happened that night after all this time.

Floggingmolly Tue 07-May-13 20:45:01

Suppose so, Rooney, just seems bizarre that the primary thought in your head when your child has supposedly been abducted, should be fear that you will inadvertently show some sort of guilt.

MissHilly Tue 07-May-13 20:45:06

Surely the police would not ask them to do a reconstruction based on what they remember today but instead it would be based on the information given to them by the witnesses in their statements from 2007?

Booyhoo Tue 07-May-13 20:54:25

"should be fear that you will inadvertently show some sort of guilt."

umm, i'm not rooney so i cant be 100% sure but i dont think taht was at all what she was implying!

Turniphead1 Tue 07-May-13 21:09:51

My only comment on the McCanns being quick to legal recourse is that I don't blame them. The amount of vitriolic appalling stuff they have had to put up with over the past 6 years - on top of the agony of having lost their eldest child makes me despair of humanity.

Like other posters said - I bet their hearts lept at news from Oakland. I feel irrationally a little sad that this is the first year I didn't remember the anniversary ( it's on a close friends birthday - and my daughter was a few months older than Madeleine at the time and had similar hair, to the extent that people often double-checked her).

Portofino Tue 07-May-13 21:28:47

But with regards to the op, I don't give a shit about Robert Murat and his "opinions" and reiterate my view that a reconstruction is worthless now.

fromparistoberlin Wed 08-May-13 14:08:14

shabbatheGreek

my heart goes out to you, may they rest in peace

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