Benefit Cuts Caused Disabled Yorkshire Man Nicholas Barker To Take His Life, Rules Coroner

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ttosca Sat 20-Apr-13 16:59:25

A man took his own life after worrying about how he would survive after his benefits were stopped, a coroner has said.

Nicholas Barker, a former farm labourer from Yorkshire, was already paralysed down the left side of his body after a brain haemorrhage more than a decade before.

He was found dead in his garden with a shotgun at his feet on December 10 last year, the

The 51-year-old had been due to attend an appeal hearing a week later against a decision to stop his benefits, his ex-wife told the inquest.

Linda Barker said: “He was going for a drink and seemed happy but he wanted me to help him go through his benefit papers because he was worried that he was going to be sent back to work.

“I told him not to worry as he wasn’t able to work and I said I would come and see him.”

Mr Barker's doctor submitted a note saying he had spoken with the 51-year-old who had been worried after the assessment ruled he did not qualify for certain benefits.

He died from his head injuries, according to coroner Michael Oakley who added: “The main factor worrying him was that his benefits had been stopped and had he attended the appeal he may have been successful, but it did not get that far,” he said. “It is evident that the matter was concerning him greatly.”

In December Ian Lavery, MP for Wansbeck, called on the Prime Minister do more for disabled people after receiving a suicide note in the post from a man who had taken his own life after finding out he was no longer entitled to employment and support allowance and disability benefits.

"Across the UK there are over 1,000 people who have died only months after being told to find work," he told the Commons, adding that he did not want to name the man in question because he wished to respect his family's privacy.

"This is 2012. We are supposed to be a civilised society. We should be looking after the disabled citizens."

Commenting on the death of Nicholas Barker, Mr Lavery told the Huffington Post UK: "This unfortunate case is not uncommon. The frightening reality is we will never know how many individuals have and will resort to this most drastic action.

"These people can not see any way forward at all, they live to exist, without luxury, often choosing between eating and heating. What type of civilised nation would allow sick and disabled people to feel that insecure that they choose to end their life. It's so sad it's gut-wrenching politics. It is a class issue."

Scotland's Evening Times reported earlier in March that thousands of people have inundated Glasgow's Citizen's Advice Bureau seeking help over government benefit changes, with many telling staff and volunteers they were contemplating suicide.

If you've been affected by the issues in this article, please call the Samaritans on 08457 90 90 90.

JakeBullet Sat 20-Apr-13 17:01:30


NicholasTeakozy Sat 20-Apr-13 17:13:13

The way this government is treating the disabled and unemployed is disgraceful. That they lie about it is even worse.

noisytoys Sat 20-Apr-13 17:19:22


BurnBabyBurn Sat 20-Apr-13 17:31:03

This is getting closer and closer to being me.

I know I'm supposed to exhaust the complaints and appeals system before giving in. But it may exhaust me first.

The sun is out today. I think I'll make it.

When it's cold, and I scrape up fragments of strength to get out the paperwork and do one more letter, I wonder what I'm even trying for. Mandatory Work Activity when I can't even do my own housework? A "life" begging from kind friends? "Relationships" for money? No good answers. No end in sight.

But today the sun is out. I think I'll make it.

MistressoftheYoniverse Sat 20-Apr-13 17:43:04

Hold on Burn I'm so sorry..<<hugs>>

MistressoftheYoniverse Sat 20-Apr-13 17:44:20

people need to get their local MP's involved and the media..they can only do this because no one challenges them...

HeySoulSister Sat 20-Apr-13 18:37:57

over 1,000 people!! shock

Maggysinge Sat 20-Apr-13 19:40:40

Oh for gods sake stop being so dramatic bbb.

HeySoulSister Sat 20-Apr-13 19:50:22

why so nasty?

ssd Sat 20-Apr-13 19:54:54

maggy, you're one arse, you know that don't you?

Maggysinge Sat 20-Apr-13 19:58:53

Coming onto a website and moaning that your benefits are being reduced is not going to get any sympathy from me. This country is broke and everyone has to feel the pinch. People who have had it pretty easy for years are suddenly realising that life is about to get harder and they are actually going to have to go out and earn their money now, like the rest of the majority of people do.

MadCap Sat 20-Apr-13 20:01:41

Yeah those poor disabled people...they've had it so easy. Maggy, why don't you just fuck off love.

TheChaoGoesMu Sat 20-Apr-13 20:03:22

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maggu you not read it paralisyed on left side hardly think he was having it easy even before all this.Guess your not offer to of taken his place and lived with it

Maggysinge Sat 20-Apr-13 20:05:40

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MistressoftheYoniverse Sat 20-Apr-13 20:06:07

ditto Madcap...Maggy what the fuk are they spending our tax money on? not be fooled

or please maggy come and take my place, or my sons place and see how easy it is .course when swapped places i can then heckle you

Maggy read it that man was not fit to work .Dr said no but some pen pusher decided he knew better than years of medical training

TheChaoGoesMu Sat 20-Apr-13 20:08:25

So you think that man should have gone and got a job even though he was paralysed down the left side of his body Maggy?

ssd Sat 20-Apr-13 20:08:35

yup. a total arse

MadCap Sat 20-Apr-13 20:12:19

No, no guys. It's all about survival of the fittest dontcha know. If disabled people can't work they should starve and die in the gutter.

ssd Sat 20-Apr-13 20:14:30

no madcap, they should just try harder and get fit, really why haven't they thought of that?

expatinscotland Sat 20-Apr-13 20:15:50

Because being paralysed on one side of your body is the life of fucking Riley, Maggy. FFS.

AThingInYourLife Sat 20-Apr-13 20:16:43

"If you are fit and able to work then you should no? It's called survival of the fittest."


No, it isn't.

Stupid does often go hand in hand with being a cunt.

Fargo86 Sat 20-Apr-13 20:18:56

I haven't really got that much sympathy here. The guy was going for a drink but wasn't able to cope with being on JSA instead of Incapacity benefit? I think the problem is that so many people have been put on long term sick and left alone for years or decades, and the fact that this is ending comes as a major shock to them.

ssd Sat 20-Apr-13 20:19:15

reminds me of the boy on BGT the other week who was disabled......he said I'm glad I'm disabled, I get to keep my benefits.....

some folk just have it so easy, don't they maggy, being paralysed and stuff, whilst the rest of us walk to work, jesus they don't know they've got it made, its ok for some

AThingInYourLife Sat 20-Apr-13 20:21:58

"The guy was going for a drink but wasn't able to cope with being on JSA instead of Incapacity benefit?"


That makes no fucking sense at all.

ssd Sat 20-Apr-13 20:22:49

god he was going for a drink as well?

some folk just have it made

BurnBabyBurn Sat 20-Apr-13 20:23:30

I'm not the slightest bit interested in sympathy from you, Maggy.

I'd like the incapacity benefits I paid my National Insurance for, when I was out earning my living, before I got sick. It's not even a question of getting a bit less: it's a case of getting none at all.

My life got harder when I got ill. But I survived being ill, including the shock of becoming suddenly powerless and dependent, when I'd always believed myself in charge of my own destiny and revelled in the power to make choices.

I'm getting back some of that power - but earning my living is still not within it. I don't have a choice about being dependent. The question is whether there's anyone or anything to be dependent on.

So for the moment, hanging on here, thanks, Mistress. Some days I do quite well. Others... not so well. Crunch coming up, and could do with strength to pack away and open when I need it.

AThingInYourLife Sat 20-Apr-13 20:23:47

Well only one side of his body was paralysed.

What about the other side?

Why couldn't it be out earning money like the rest of us?

TheChaoGoesMu Sat 20-Apr-13 20:23:51

Not really Fargo. Moving on to JSA obviously brings the expectation that he would need to find a job. And with a left sided paralysis he obviously felt he wouldnt be physically able to do that.

crazynanna Sat 20-Apr-13 20:24:32

Well of are not allowed any alcohol,nicotine,sugar when you claim benefits

TheChaoGoesMu Sat 20-Apr-13 20:25:11

What jobs do you think he should have done athing?

ssd Sat 20-Apr-13 20:25:43

sorry, am really amazed this man took his own life, he must have woke up every morning and had to pinch himself, he probably couldn't believe his luck

TheChaoGoesMu Sat 20-Apr-13 20:26:50

Of course not crazynanna, thats right. If you have a disability then you have no right to enjoy the things that other people enjoy.

AThingInYourLife Sat 20-Apr-13 20:27:21

I know a bloke on benefits and I saw him in the street the other day smiling and laughing.

The fucker looked happy!


ssd Sat 20-Apr-13 20:27:48

oh great BBB is here, she/he is talking some amount of shite on another thread, maggy's got a soulmate here

crazynanna Sat 20-Apr-13 20:28:55

Yep TheChaos...bread and water for the bastards.

Seriously...I cannot believe I live in a so-called 'caring' society.

ssd Sat 20-Apr-13 20:29:46

BBB apologies, getting you confused with another poster who was on another thread with you on it, was it maggy there too I wonder?

AThingInYourLife Sat 20-Apr-13 20:29:52

TheChao - he could have used a bit of entrepreneurial spirit and found someone paralysed on the other side of their body.

Then they could have looked for work as one functional person.

mercibucket Sat 20-Apr-13 20:30:40

Bread n water that's all they need, and should be damned grateful too hey maggie

mercibucket Sat 20-Apr-13 20:30:40

Bread n water that's all they need, and should be damned grateful too hey maggie

BasilBabyEater Sat 20-Apr-13 20:31:02

I hear some of those greedy bastards wear shoes as well.

Fucking shoes.

Like they needed to walk somewhere or something.

And they have loo-roll in their bathrooms.

The sheer greed of it.

No wonder the country's broke.

It's got nothing to do with bankers or corporations not paying corporation tax, no it's all to do with uppity disabled people thinking they have a right to have a life like anyone else. How very dare they.

BurnBabyBurn Sat 20-Apr-13 20:31:10

Nicholas Barker may not have been eligible for JSA, as to get it you have to be available to work, and that full time.

Some people are being told by one part of the DWP that they are not sick enough for ESA. And by another part that they are not well enough for JSA. If they don't have children, they may not be eligible for any income at all.

And unlike an able-bodied person, they don't even have the distant hope of being likely to get work (certainly, sufficient work) due to being ill.

TheChaoGoesMu Sat 20-Apr-13 20:35:55

grin athing.

I guess thats the problem these days, people don't think hard enough about how they can overcome these little problems.

TheChaoGoesMu Sat 20-Apr-13 20:37:56

I know a bloke on benefits and I saw him in the street the other day smiling and laughing.

The fucker looked happy!

Fucking happy? You should have drop kicked him to the kerb.

expatinscotland Sat 20-Apr-13 20:40:10

NO way! Vouchers for bread and water. C'mon, people!

twofingerstoGideon Sat 20-Apr-13 20:42:18

They should all have a big yellow 'S' sewn on their clothes, too, so we know they're Scroungers.

crazynanna Sat 20-Apr-13 20:45:15

Don't forget the 'F' in front of the 'S' Twofingers...Feckless Scrounger

yeah and dont forget not allowed see outside the house let alone going into a shop

BurnBabyBurn Sat 20-Apr-13 20:54:58

confused Must be someone else, ssd.

I rarely use this name, but NC because there are people here who know me in RL. They know my situation, but they don't know how I feel about it. Always the fighter, head down and carry on, is what they see.

Maggysinge Sat 20-Apr-13 20:56:48

Thing is all the moaning, scaremongering and general hysteria on here will not change a thing. People are going to have to get used to it because it isn't going to change. I've been at rock bottom but I pulled myself together and now after years of hard work I'm comfortable. No moaning no blaming everyone but myself because at the end of the day it won't ever get you anywhere other than bleating on here.

crazynanna Sat 20-Apr-13 20:59:17

I've been at rock bottom but I pulled myself together and now after years of hard work I'm comfortable

Yes..but did/do you have a brain injury and paralysed down one side of your body?

twofingerstoGideon Sat 20-Apr-13 21:04:13

I cannot take seriously anyone who uses the words 'hysteria', 'scaremongering' 'rock bottom' and 'bleating' in an attempt to make some sort of point. It's all a bit too DM for me.

maggy sorry i cant pull my spinal cord together trust me many professionals looking for ways but not found it better tell them quick just need pull self together hmm

BurnBabyBurn Sat 20-Apr-13 21:06:46

Maggy, can you please explain how your statement "If you are fit and able to work then you should no?" pertains to a paralysed man with a brain injury?

Next, can you explain how your references to scaremongering and hysteria pertain to a man who had actually had his benefit stopped?

Thanks, love.

TheChaoGoesMu Sat 20-Apr-13 21:09:22

I've been at rock bottom but I pulled myself together and now after years of hard work I'm comfortable

do you think you could manage that with a paralysis down one side of your body? Or perhaps you do have that? Do you? If so, do enlighten me upon how you managed to pull yourself together. Just so you can pass your wise words to any other useless fecker out there who obviously isn't as motivated and super as you hmm

infamouspoo Sat 20-Apr-13 21:12:51

awww thanks Maggie, when ds teaches 18 I'll tell him to mend his damaged brain (totally paralysed with no speech) and stop scrounging. He could be a draft excluder or something.

JakeBullet Sat 20-Apr-13 21:13:27

Oh it's MaggySinge with her "bile of the day" hmm

Do yourself a favour love and stop swallowing the Daily Mail for breakfast because it makes you sound like a professional troll.

Speaking of which......

Deadhamsterssmell Sat 20-Apr-13 21:20:43

I haven't read the whole thread as it has made me so upset and cross.

I knew this man and he was a hard working person. Believe me some of his depression was caused by not being able to work...

Darkesteyes Sat 20-Apr-13 21:36:46

Its about fucking time that disabilism was taken as seriously as racism


ttosca Sat 20-Apr-13 21:49:54

The problem is that lies and misinformation is being propagated by the Coalition in order to beef up support for their social security cuts. It's really not surprising that some people come out with ignorant and hateful statements about the disabled and unemployed.

LadyBeagleEyes Sat 20-Apr-13 21:57:39

I read Maggy's posts a bit like this shock as i don't want to believe there are really people in the world that think like this.
But then thinking about it, she thinks like our government thinks.
How sick has our society become?

TheChaoGoesMu Sat 20-Apr-13 22:30:54

Maggys only joined mn to troll, judging by previous threads. She/he/it is a bit of a turd really.

LadyBeagleEyes Sat 20-Apr-13 22:33:42

Then she is a sad, sad fucker.

JakeBullet Sun 21-Apr-13 08:51:00

I have asked MN to look at the poster in question. Very suspicious tbh, a sad fucker indeed.

WinkyWinkola Sun 21-Apr-13 08:56:11

Maggy's clearly not very bright. Not sure how she manages in the survival of the fittest!

Ledkr Sun 21-Apr-13 09:09:09

maggie firstly just to say what an utter prick you sound.
Secondly I was wondering if you had a few tips for my son to enable him to pull himself together as he has 8% kidney function and is awaiting a transplant?
He gave up work a month ago after weeks of pushing himself to keep going.
He actually cried on the phone to me "I just can't do it anymore mum"
He now has under 30 pounds a week to live on,to include buying food for a special diet.
So fuck off with your patronising.

JakeBullet Sun 21-Apr-13 09:25:24

Maggie may of course be genuine and just deeply unpleasant. You can be horrible and not a troll. There are people like that....or he might just get off on being inflammatory online and hiding behind a computer screen.

Dolallytats Sun 21-Apr-13 09:35:22

Wow, certain people on this thread seem to have no idea. If that's their view on a 'plain to see' disability, I would hate to know their view on disabling mental health issues.

I have a husband who works, so I don't claim anything, but if I didn't have DH I would have no choice. I am agoraphobic (to the point where the 7 min walk to my son's school is a struggle and I am currently sitting here trying to pluck up the courage to walk 3 mins to the shop for the papers), but you can't see that because I chat to people when they see me, I laugh and joke and I take the mickey out of inability to get out of the house like a 'normal' person.

I have also cried all the way to school because I feel so awful, cried at the school, had a parent walk me home because I just froze, had a TA bring my son home because I couldn't (she is also a friend), wished that I hadn't woken up on numerous occasions, cried because I have felt so guilty and useless, missed school assemblies because I just couldn't get there......oh, I could go on and on.

Compassion doesn't cost, but it means such a lot. Of course there are people that don't really need the help and are playing the system, but don't underestimate how awful it feels to be in the position where you really do need the help and it is being taken away.

Tragic for those people it is happening to and tragic that some people have their heads stuffed too far up their backsides to see what is happening...

Dawndonna Sun 21-Apr-13 10:00:38

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OliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Sun 21-Apr-13 10:12:24

Morning all - hope it is as sunny with you as it is here.
Just a a reminder of our guidelines
Thanks awfully.

Has Maggy swallowed the Daily Mail?

And sad about the man. My cousin was made severely disabled following an accident, (spinal cord injury, brain injury and amputation of arm). I know she'd give ANYTHING to be able to work and feel useful and necessary again, but she can't. And then people like Maggy don't make it much better.

Ledkr Sun 21-Apr-13 10:22:00

Maybe maggie has choked on her own excrement which can happen when you head is up your arse.
Yep sunny here too.

JakeBullet Sun 21-Apr-13 10:41:11

There are not many people that black and white in real life hence my suspicion about this particular poster. I am not saying she/he is a troll but you can be sure that they are not this black and white in real life.
The posts made seem designed to inflame or upset others so can only think they are being made deliberately so from the safety of "hiding behind the computer screen". I sincerely doubt this person would say such things to a room full of people who might well lynch him or her.

edam Sun 21-Apr-13 12:58:17

Such a tragic story, poor man. I wonder if anyone involved in the decision to strip him of his benefits has heard about his death and feels at all responsible. Probably not.

What baffles me is people who can read about his death without feeling any compassion. I know they exist, am just bewildered by their thought processes.

BasilBabyEater Sun 21-Apr-13 15:45:49

What baffles me, is that people don't see that it could be them.

With almost any other group of "othered" people, you can comfort yourself that it could never be you. I'm not an immigrant or a refugee or a Muslim, so it's unlikely that the othering of these groups will ever personally affect me. But any of us could become disabled or unemployed at any time - all it takes is one car accident or one spell of ill-health or redundancy and that could be any of us on benefits for the rest of our lives. But these morons who whoop about the erosion of the welfare state are too stupid to see that one day, they could be one of these people they despise so much. Perhaps it's fear that makes them express such hate-filled sentiments.

Sunnywithshowers Sun 21-Apr-13 16:06:57

sad at the OP and angry at idiots who think the suffering of others is okay.

flatpackhamster Mon 22-Apr-13 07:27:29

over 1,000 people!!

Note that doesn't mean 'over 1,000 people have killed themselves.'

What it means is that they have died and there is no causal link between the death and the change in benefit status. But the implication is being made that there is although there's no evidence.

Dawndonna Mon 22-Apr-13 07:45:16

I bet you wouldn't have considered arguing the figure if it had been a Tory mp, flatpack
People are dying as a result of these changes. That's all there is to it, and a lack of (current) empirical evidence for the figures shouldn't make you feel better about the changes. But hey, doesn't affect you, does it.

cory Mon 22-Apr-13 08:42:15

The worrying thing is not that 1000 people have died- because obviously anybody could die in any given timespan- but that a fair few of those people have died either from suicide/stress or from the condition that their doctor had said would make them unable to work in the first place.

This brings the worrying question whether being forced back to work/losing their means of sustenance might actually have hastened their demise.

Or at the very least that forcing somebody who was dying to do a full work day may have been cruel and inhumane.

If somebody is diagnosed with heart disease and told by their doctor they must avoid stress and over-exertion, is made to go to work against their doctor's advice and then dies within days, then that is a rather different case from a fit healthy person suddenly falling ill and dying unexpectedly. If the first case involved a relative of yours, wouldn't you want to ask a few questions?

It is not the case that there is no causal link in all these cases: it is more that a full investigation has not been made, so we don't know in which cases there is a causal link and in which cases there isn't.

twofingerstoGideon Mon 22-Apr-13 09:50:07

Note that doesn't mean 'over 1,000 people have killed themselves.'

What it means is that they have died and there is no causal link between the death and the change in benefit status. But the implication is being made that there is although there's no evidence.

Credit us with some intelligence please, flatpack. Aren't you rather jumping to conclusions when you say 'there is no causal link...' The implication you are making is that the two are unrelated. Do you not mean 'there may not be a causal link in all cases...?'

Clearly if an MP has received a suicide note and Nicholas Barker also expressed worries about his benefits being reduced before he killed himself, there was a causal link in those cases. Nobody has claimed that 1000 people have committed suicide, just that 1000 people have died after being assessed as fit for work.

JakeBullet Mon 22-Apr-13 10:29:33

Thing is flatpack, the death itself might be unrelated to the benefit change. But don't you think it is rather worrying that 1000 people who have died were declared "fit for work" by ATOS shortly beforehand? Clearly they were not fit for work if their deaths were so imminent. Or maybe the sudden change and worry caused by being told "you are fit for work" when clearly they were not hastened their illness, or maybe they committed suicide.

Tbh it concerns me that 1000 people declared fit for work by ATOS have died in a short time frame afterwards. It should worry YOU too and it is certainly concerning the government who have been examining the figures for a while. Got a feeling they have recently produced a publication about it which I need to go and look at.

infamouspoo Mon 22-Apr-13 11:29:48

I was just reading this morning how the cuts to Social Care - the help people recieve in washing dressing/day care/etc will amount to 33% of the total by 2015. This is on top of the benefit cuts. Thats people left without help to help them eat.wash/get out of bed/get out of the house/toilet/respite for parents/the list goes on.
Why does this Govt hate vunerable and disabled people so much?

flatpackhamster Mon 22-Apr-13 11:43:26


Credit us with some intelligence please, flatpack.

Why would I do that, when I see the quality of thinking displayed here?

Aren't you rather jumping to conclusions when you say 'there is no causal link...' The implication you are making is that the two are unrelated. Do you not mean 'there may not be a causal link in all cases...?'

No, I'm explicitly saying 'there is no causal link in any case save one where this poor suicide victim states it.' There is no research to prove that this supposed 1,000 people were killed by The EVIL TORAYAS (tm), no statistical evidence to prove that there is a link.

Clearly if an MP has received a suicide note and Nicholas Barker also expressed worries about his benefits being reduced before he killed himself, there was a causal link in those cases. Nobody has claimed that 1000 people have committed suicide, just that 1000 people have died after being assessed as fit for work.

Why is that figure relevant? If 500,000 people are tested (for example) what's the statistical likelihood of 1,000 of them dying over that period of time? Do you know? I don't. But it's being cited as some kind of 'proof', when it isn't anything except a figure which is unproven and has no value or relevance.

All I'm asking for is a little less melodrama and a little more in the way of hard facts and evidence.

JakeBullet Mon 22-Apr-13 12:48:18

Flatpack 1000 people have no value and relevance shock I think I read that right. These are NOT just numbers, they are case you have missed that not insignificant fact!
And you should be asking "how on earth were they found fit for work"? That should be asked in EVERY SINGLE CASE where the person dies after being declared "fit for work". In some cases it might indeed be unexpected and not relevant but this cannot be claimed in every single case. What about people with cancer being found "fit for work", they may indeed die as a result of the cancer but the question about them being "fit for work" if clearly they were not still needs to be asked. I want those figures counted, I might not ever be in that situation but I bloody well want to know the support will be there if I need it and not eroded away by people not grasping that every single number represents a human being.

Tbh the only people suggesting these figures are irrelevant are those who wont have to rely on the State if they become ill...and that really shows utter contempt for people who DO struggle financially while ill.

I know somebody who knew this person. His death was an entirely preventable tragedy. The government have this man's blood on their hands.

twofingerstoGideon Mon 22-Apr-13 12:54:24

Why would I do that, when I see the quality of thinking displayed here?

PMSL. Presumably that applies to anyone that doesn't agree with your rather skewed way of thinking.

I think you've just shown yourself as incapable of reasonable and intelligent debate with that very sanctimonious remark.

flatpackhamster Mon 22-Apr-13 13:08:04


Flatpack 1000 people have no value and relevance shock I think I read that right.

No, you didn't read it right at all.

Dawndonna Mon 22-Apr-13 13:11:16

Why would I do that, when I see the quality of thinking displayed here?

I regularly see the quality of your posts, too.

As for 1000 people, as has been said, there is a link. There is even a demonstrable link.

Tory paper, please note, 'government's own figures'
more of the same

JakeBullet Mon 22-Apr-13 15:06:51

Am relieved to know that I didn't read that correctly flatpack
My concerns regarding people being declared "fit for work" if they are not still stand.

What I really want to know is how many are taken off their current benefit and told to apply for JSA and how many are allocated to the Work Related Activity Group. Particularly if we are talking about those who subsequently die as a result of their illness. Those cases are very relevant and as a safeguard should be automatically looked at when they occur.

A friend of mine last year (very agoraphobic) was declared "fit for work" and told to apply for JSA. Now this friend is so paralysed by fear when she leaves the house that she is a mess emotionally and physically. In no way is she "fit for work" or even fit for a WRAG. It took a lot of reading and appealing to get this decision reversed (which it was).

BasilBabyEater Mon 22-Apr-13 17:55:42

Fuck's sake at people who describe concern about people dying when being told they're fit for work as "melodrama".

Hyperbolic language to describe absolutely valid outrage. No-one's allowed to be angry. hmm

Darkesteyes Mon 22-Apr-13 17:56:51

Ian Duncan Smith told bereaved 13 year old boy to go the Job Centre after the boys dad died a day after being found fit to work by Atos.

Darkesteyes Mon 22-Apr-13 18:06:10

30 years from now people will look back and wonder how on earth this could have been allowed to happen.
Society does not seem to heed warnings from history.
Hitler got rid of the disabled first after a successful propaganda campaign before moving on to the Jews.
Yet when posters here point out the similarities we get jumped on by some.
The documentary The Nazis A Warning From History (narrated by Samuel West) is a harrowing watch and right at the end of the final instalment he asks whether this could happen again? Hes right and its happening right now in front of us. But because of successful propaganda campaigns many people have become so desensitized and apathetic towards it that this "cleansing" has so far been successful. Its heartbreaking and our society doesnt seem to have any compassion anymore.

Vev Mon 22-Apr-13 20:19:08

I really, really can't understand why the disabled are hated by this government, it's shameful and should be on a par with how racism is treated. They've gone on so much that decent folk are now treating disabled people as scum. It's disgusting. Don't people realise how life can change in an instance?

This government have a lot of blood on their hands and should hang their heads in shame.

Dawndonna Tue 23-Apr-13 10:09:19

Because as far as this government (and some people here) they are just air wasting. Those that aren't are laying it on thick, are capable of working, at least according to Atos (and some people here) and are a bunch of benefit scrounging, lead swinging, scum.
Oh, and just because they are disabled, according to some on here, doesn't mean they should get benefits, because they're our partners/children etc. We should be supporting them, because it's our job to do so and nothing to do with the government. One of the people on here that promotes this view actually provides a service for the disabled.

Dawndonna Tue 23-Apr-13 17:06:55

Tory paper relevant link
Not a DM link.

Darkesteyes Tue 23-Apr-13 17:56:20

I saw that Dawn. Its all over Twitter.
With regards to yr post about the fact that one of the people here supporting disabilist views despite working in that sector doesnt surprise me unfortunately.
Ive seen mysogynistic classist comments from people on facebook about single mums from people working in the sector that supports them too. There are so many people working in jobs they shouldnt be.

Dawndonna Tue 23-Apr-13 18:19:56

It's frightening isn't it. But we're not allowed to say anything because people just shout 'Godwin's Law'.

Darkesteyes Tue 23-Apr-13 18:27:17

The reason why people like that think the way they do is because they need someone that they can feel superior to.
It says more about them than the people they are supposedly trying to help.

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