Gwyneth Paltrow and avoiding carbs for kids - what do you think?

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JaneGMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 13-Mar-13 13:49:10

Hi,

You may have read news stories today about Gwynneth Paltrow avoiding carbs for the whole family, including her children aged eight and six:

"Sometimes when my family is not eating pasta, bread or processed grains like white rice, we're left with that specific hunger that comes with avoiding carbs."

We'd be interested to hear what you think about this story.

Does your own diet influence the way you feed your children?

Thanks,

MNHQ

Labootin Wed 13-Mar-13 13:53:14

I know I'm meant to hate her but I actually think she's rather barkingly fabulous.

Labootin Wed 13-Mar-13 13:56:42

And no to the question .. My diet is awful, my children's diet is excellent.

Labootin Wed 13-Mar-13 13:59:35

Thinking further on my delightful stream of consciousness A cod psychologist would probably say that due to my food issues that's the reason I make sure they have a proper balanced diet so they don't get my food hang ups in the future but who knows...

dothraki Wed 13-Mar-13 13:59:49

A slow day at HQ Jane ?
So she really wants her kids to feel hungry hmm
Is this so they can empathise with poor children ?
Or is she low on publicity this week smile

I think she is a smug unbearable twat who bases her diet on whatever fad is fashionable and who only last year was bragging about how she eats everything she wants

Oh and she can't act. Thank god she's given that up.

And no, my diet doesn't affect my DD's. Hers is much better blush

I doubt they're avoiding carbs entirely. It sounds like she's referring to processed carbs, which is a healthy way of living. From the quote given she is probably feeding them brown rice. I'll also bet they get plenty of carbs through fruit and vegetables.

No big deal.

I also quite like her too

JeanBillie Wed 13-Mar-13 14:03:50

I actually think she's right to think carefully about her kids' diet - and as adults, we know a carb overload can be dreadful.

But I'm not sure that children should feel 'that specific hunger' that we adults put ourselves through when dieting.

I think that kids should really be allowed to whizz around, fuelled by pasta, to their heart's content without thinking about dieting smile

Beamur Wed 13-Mar-13 14:04:23

I think without knowing exactly what she is feeding her kids it's hard to comment objectively - she may be avoiding feeding them simple carbs, like white rice etc but that doesn't mean they aren't getting more complex carbs from other foods - like sweet potatoes for example.
Also the comment about 'hunger' - does she mean her kids are actually hungry (which I doubt somehow) or simply craving those foods they don't get to have? Like wanting a nice piece of buttered toast when you're not actually hungry but just want it....
At home I've always made sure the kids eat well, but I've been less strict with myself, but our New Year 'resolution' has been for us all to eat more healthily and to talk about what that means too. So now DP and I are also leading by example - and I have to say, have both lost weight at the same time.

Fillyjonk75 Wed 13-Mar-13 14:06:49

Bonkers. Carbs are part of a normal healthy diet, especially for children who need energy to run around.

OKnotOK Wed 13-Mar-13 14:08:47

BunnyLebowski
Agreed.

Although, i do like her in the Ironman films...and Seven.

Also...GIVEMETHEMONEYLEBOWSKI! grin

badguider Wed 13-Mar-13 14:08:52

They're avoiding simple sugars and processed grains, not 'carbs' - in fact the cover of the book shows green vegetables.

Children will have to work hard to get enough energy from purely vegetables and protein but I can't see how it's harmful (not saying it's necessary either).

Some kids eat nothing but processed grains (toast, pasta etc) and I'm sure that's worse in terms of nutrient intake.

There wasn't all this nonsense about carbs when I was a child and there were no fat children then either. As filly has said, if you have active, healthy children, carbs are fine. Gwyneth will just project her neuroses on to her children, especially the daughter. Children should be children and not worrying about food. I want to like Gwyneth, I really do, but then I read this sort of thing and I go off the idea of liking her IYSWIM.

Fillyjonk75 Wed 13-Mar-13 14:11:52

I'd like to see my children's faces if I told them they can't have toast because I'm on a diet. Or DH for that matter. I can just about get them to eat 50/50 bread, wholewheat pasta, and still struggle with brown rice, they much prefer white.

Kyrptonite Wed 13-Mar-13 14:12:31

I love her because she gets to shag ironman and she may well have a point.

<pointless contribution>

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 13-Mar-13 14:14:21

WHAT? She's not giving her children carbs? No toast! No cakes! No biscuits! No pasta, rice, potatoes, chips, wedges, mash....?????

What on earth DO they eat, poor little buggers sad

Imagine going round theirs to play. It must be rubbish.

Fillyjonk75 Wed 13-Mar-13 14:14:37

I've never thought of Chris Martin as ironman but each to their own.

MoYerBoat Wed 13-Mar-13 14:14:58

"we're left with that specific hunger that comes with avoiding carbs"

it must be a laugh a minute in the Paltrow/Coldplay household ...

fishcalledwonder Wed 13-Mar-13 14:16:17

As someone who thinks constantly about food, losing a few pounds, diets, portion sizes etc. etc, my main aim is to make sure DD thinks food is just the fuel she needs to run around madly.

I want her to eat healthily, but not to think that eating the odd pizza or cake is a big deal. Assuming the quote given is accurate and GP really is denying her kids any carbs, I think to demonise a whole food group is insane and pushing an adult's food obsession onto children; exactly what I am determined to avoid.

'What on earth DO they eat, poor little buggers'

Fruit, vegetables, meat, fish, pulses, dairy

I doubt they're deprived kids

ChicHeroine Wed 13-Mar-13 14:16:40

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TheRealFellatio Wed 13-Mar-13 14:16:46

If her children still get to eat fruit and starchy veg and pulses like sweetcorn, or lentils or then they are getting all the carbs they need and more, and they will be better off for not developing an over-reliance or even an addiction to wheat and processed sugar.

Kyrptonite Wed 13-Mar-13 14:16:55

Actual ironman. You know they've done it. Who could resist? Chris Martin is a bit weedy especially compared to Tony Stark.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Wed 13-Mar-13 14:17:32

Lula of course they're not deprived. However they're missing all the fun food.

Kyrptonite Wed 13-Mar-13 14:17:38

Didn't Gwenyth only eat beige food for a while or am I thinking of Madonna?

StephaniePowers Wed 13-Mar-13 14:18:19

Nobody should have to eat wholewheat pasta <gavel>

Unless there are other health issues, just having pasta much less often would be fine.

I don't think she's BU because of course it's great to not eat simple carbs as much as possible but equally, nobody's future will be ruined by a slice of nice homemade pizza once a month, will it? It's a pleasure.

ChicHeroine Wed 13-Mar-13 14:18:20

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sailorsgal Wed 13-Mar-13 14:18:43

If ds didn't eat carbs I don't know what he would eat. I am a fairly healthy eater and now eat meat as I used to be vegetarian. I am just happy that ds eats something as it has always been a battle ever since he was little.

I think its probably more the refined carbs that she wants them to avoid which is not a bad thing.

StephaniePowers Wed 13-Mar-13 14:19:01

Kryptonite I bet he's got a special bit that sproings out of his suit

If I had the money, I would eat paleo the whole time, plus full fat dairy.

The hunger when avoiding carbs is very different, not like a dizzy-horrible sugar low.

ChicHeroine Wed 13-Mar-13 14:19:25

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Fillyjonk75 Wed 13-Mar-13 14:19:42

Chris Martin could do with a few carbs. And protein.

ubik Wed 13-Mar-13 14:19:56

I'm sure the kids are fine.

I try to give my children's healthy diet but gwynnie would be horrified, especially at the fried square sausage and chips served up by MIL grin

Sonotkylie Wed 13-Mar-13 14:20:49

According to NHS website starchy foods ie carbs should be one third of intake. Food exclusion for children is wrong unless for sound medical reasons. Their dietary needs are not the same as an adults. How can she happily describe her children as hungry whatever she thinks she means by that? These people drive me nuts. Please can we ignore them and hope the more reasonable people above are right and its not as bad as it sounds.
And no, while I try to influence DS towards better eating habits, he is utterly resistant ( I do talk to him about BALANCE but he's 6...). I do also try to lead by example by eating sensibly but without outlawing any foods. How do you learn sensible eating if something is 'forbidden'?

KateShrub Wed 13-Mar-13 14:22:57

Where's the 'report troll' button?

Think I need to report the OP.

ChicHeroine Wed 13-Mar-13 14:23:33

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Kyrptonite Wed 13-Mar-13 14:26:20

Is anyone else craving a massive bowl of pasta? I lasted an entire day no carbing because I kept day dreaming of bread and pasta.

TheOriginalLadyFT Wed 13-Mar-13 14:26:46

If her children still get to eat fruit and starchy veg and pulses like sweetcorn, or lentils or then they are getting all the carbs they need and more, and they will be better off for not developing an over-reliance or even an addiction to wheat and processed sugar.

This ^

Getting kids hooked on processed carbs such as those found in sugary cereals, cakes, biscuits etc is setting them up for problems. The hunger she's talking about is the craving that processed carbs give you because they screw with your blood sugar levels

IMO the serious obesity issues we have as a society as linked to the addictive nature of processed carbs, and the lethal combination of them with saturated fats. These foods are addictive and positively encourage over eating

Good on her for feeding her kids healthy, and health giving, food

MoYerBoat Wed 13-Mar-13 14:27:38

We are talking about a woman who named her daughter Apple.

RobotHamster Wed 13-Mar-13 14:30:08

Presumably they eat brown rice, sweet potatoes, lentils etc? What's wrong with that?

Nobody needs processed carbs, at all. Putting kids on an Atkins type diet would be absolutely ludicrous - avoiding artificial foods full of sugar? Can't see a problem myself.

That cook book sounds idiotic though.

TooExtraImmatureCheddar Wed 13-Mar-13 14:40:33

Avoiding meat and dairy seems a bit much, for kids. Low-carb in itself is perfectly healthy, though.

Mo I agree. Gwyneth and Chris Martin are very nimby though. Someone else said they recall Gwyn eating only beige things once, that was another poncey diet that she was doing when pals with Madge. One silly diet to the next. What is wrong with moderation and exercise? Life is too short.

choceyes Wed 13-Mar-13 14:42:11

Nobody should have to eat wholewheat pasta <gavel>

You may not like it my kids certainly do. We only ever have wholemeal pasta at home and at nursery they get given white pasta when it's a pasta based meal. They don't care. They still eat pasta at home too. They also eat white rice at nursery and brown rice at home. They don't complain. Same with bread. I don't give them refined carbs like white rice, bread and pasta. But I do give them biscuits and cake occassionally.

Kids eat too much processed carbs. it's not good.

Taffeta Wed 13-Mar-13 14:44:24

My 9 yo was told at a recent nutrition workshop run by his football academy not to eat too many carbs, especially before playing.

He came home and refused to eat his pasta. hmm

TheAllNewMe Wed 13-Mar-13 14:48:23

mmm ... I don't eat carbs, I do let my child eat them and I do sometimes feel guilty that he is consuming processed carbs when I wouldn't eat them myself. But then, he was a very fussy eater for a long time and it took a long slow process of introducing new foods get him to the point of enjoying a varied diet. I am still grateful that he eats so I don't want to restrict his food intake.

However not feeding a child processed carbs can only be a good thing: there'd be no childhood obesity for a start, so for once the batty Paltrow woman is right.

No idea what she means by the hunger tho as you feel less hungry rather than more so.

ouryve Wed 13-Mar-13 14:48:56

If she's missing a whole food group out of her diet, then hmm

If they're still getting carbs from whole grains and starchy veg and their young digestive systems can handle it (some kids definitely can't and too much fibre in some children's diets can lead to malabsorption) then I see no problem, other than the joylessness and fadishness - oh, and the possible passing on of food related neurosis and anxiety.

SirEdmundFrillary Wed 13-Mar-13 14:49:17

I can't remember his name but there's an 80ish year old marathon runner who eats mostly small portions of bread and veg.

Not much help, and I've probably spelt marathon/an wrong. smile

racingheart Wed 13-Mar-13 14:49:32

If we're not meant to eat carbs and protein together, how come every single society in the world does so? Rice and dahl; sushi; tortilla and ground beef; chicken rice and peas; fish and chips; pork and noodles, bread and cheese etc.

Our bodies can cope with carbs. What they can't cope with is too much food. Cutting out carbs makes it easier not to overeat because it's just too hard to overeat protein and fat without cutting them with carbs. It makes us feel sick.

Children need carbs. Too much protein puts a strain on their kidneys.

LadyClariceCannockMonty Wed 13-Mar-13 14:52:00

I don't like the phrase 'specific hunger'. It doesn't make much sense and it smacks of trying to normalise something that's not normal – a body's need for fuel.

If her kids ARE fed sweet potatoes, lentils etc then that's fine, but the 'hunger' comment makes it sound as though they're not being given carbs at all. That's worrying.

rockinhippy Wed 13-Mar-13 14:58:10

I've not read the actual book itself & press reports are well known for being a sensationalist croc of shite a tad left of the truth, so I'll reserve proper judgement based on press reports.

That said, if the books cover is all that the fuss is about, them she isn't cutting out all carbs, just wheat & processed carbs along with other foods known to be hard to digest, or potentially harmful in some way is not the same at all as the press headlines would have us believe & suggests any quotes are taken out of context.

I've eaten this clean diet way myself, its nothing new even if she does keep banging on about it as if she's some directional food guru it my case is was as a result of kidney trouble & no real medical answers or help, so I set about helping myself & ate this way for a several years - it made HUGE difference to my health & turned the kidney problems around, even healed some of the damage caused by recurring infections of no know source - much to the puzzlement of my doctors.

Even slackening off & eating a more "normal" diet after a few years didn't bring the problem back for many years - though more recently it has come back, though not infections & ironically its now all looking to be as a result of celiac disease - I'm currently eating a gluten load diet - my normal diet is a very healthy one, low in wheat - loading up on wheat is causing a heap of symptoms - I can really feel the difference

DD eats a similar diet, not fanatically so, she eats sweets, wheat etc occasionally, but she too has health problems & eating a clean diet like this helps keep her healthy too

reallyyummymummy Wed 13-Mar-13 14:59:12

They could both do with eating more carbs and protein. Their mentality is the sort of mentality that comes from spending too much time on a diet (and also not having enough to do with their time but write crap articles about them).

snoworneahva Wed 13-Mar-13 15:04:52

Not sure what her approach is because it's so hard to get to the truth without reading the book....but if it's avoiding refined carbs and wheat based products then i think it's a healthy approach for kids and adults.

Kazooblue Wed 13-Mar-13 15:10:19

Sorry couldn't get past the joyless list of things her diet is free from in that link.

motherinferior Wed 13-Mar-13 15:10:22

I agree with Ariel.

motherinferior Wed 13-Mar-13 15:12:13

This 'avoid wheat' mantra is utterly bonkers. Yes, some people do have genuine problems with wheat. Most of us don't. Wheat is fine.

Mind you I am a journalist and - gasp - specialise in writing about health, so what do I know...

Her kids are going to rebel and only eat junk food from about 14 onwards. We'll see how smug she is then.

To answer the question in the OP: of course my diet influences the rest of the family. But the kids' (and H's) preferences also influence was I eat/cook.

SisterMonicaJoan Wed 13-Mar-13 15:21:19
SisterMonicaJoan Wed 13-Mar-13 15:27:56

Got distracted by DS so just quickly posted the above link...

I think if her diet has potentially affected her health then she should be even more determind to provide a balanced, healthy diet for her children which means involving all the food groups.

My diet wasn't the best before I had DS but I adopted a healthy diet when he came along because I didn't want to pass my hang ups onto him. He eats healthily so a few sweets here and there are not big deal.

Thanks chic that looks a lot like my shopping list (plus coffee. I drink a lot of coffee) smile

I think one of the reasons I am not strict with it for DS is that I want him to appreciate health-giving foods rather than feeling it is joyless and limiting. I try to encourage sweet potato and casseroles over pasta and pies though.

Tailtwister Wed 13-Mar-13 15:44:15

Sounds fine to me. Not terribly interested in what feeds her kids though, far more interested in what I feed my own.

AmberSocks Wed 13-Mar-13 15:56:34

i like her,and avoiding the food she mentioned isnt avoiding carbs,you can get enough carbs from fruit ad veg if you want or need to.

BIWI Wed 13-Mar-13 15:59:14

If they really were following a low carb diet then they wouldn't be hungry, as that WOE suppresses the appetite.

Greythorne Wed 13-Mar-13 15:59:31

She seems to regularly fall into the over privileged person's trap of thinking, "if a little of something is good for me, a lot of it will be very good for me."

ChicHeroine Wed 13-Mar-13 16:10:47

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enormouse Wed 13-Mar-13 16:12:21

As an aside, didn't Gwyneth do the blood group diet too? I vaguely remember reading that in a magazine.

Oblomov Wed 13-Mar-13 16:16:27

I think it's wrong to avoid any foods. Why enourage a child to avoid a food group.
Such a bad example to set. So very very wrong.

duchesse Wed 13-Mar-13 16:20:07

<wonders idly if GP is a mumsnetter>

duchesse Wed 13-Mar-13 16:22:10

There is really no nutritional need to make white food the mainstay of any meal. We'd all fare a lot better if we ate mostly vegetables and fish/meat, with limited amounts of whole grains (and not just wheat). Of course affordability is another matter, but there are many kinds of cheap vegetable. I agree with Gwyneth.

multitaskmama Wed 13-Mar-13 16:24:21

At first I thought she was barking mad. Then I thought about it a bit more and thought she is actually better than the mums who let their kids eat too many processed carbs, fast foods and junk. It's only because she is a celebrity, there is the discussion, otherwise no one would care.
If her kids do crave carbs, I'm sure they'll get them from somewhere if she keeps restricting them. I don't envy her diet smile but having said that she is much slimmer than me envy. Their her kids and I guess she can tell for so long before they start making their own minds up!

multitaskmama Wed 13-Mar-13 16:25:13

They're NOT their

duchesse Wed 13-Mar-13 16:31:03

<wonders what MN would make of this family if they think no eating white food is bad>

gimmeanaxe Wed 13-Mar-13 16:34:02

I bet dinner parties round her house are a laugh-a-minute grin. They probably all discuss poo and seaweed and the latest fad.
Her kids probably go sugar bonkers once out from under her thumb wink

surley using that much peroxide isnt good for you either?

maybe shes not worried abou that though

motherinferior Wed 13-Mar-13 16:40:07

This thread is prompting me to go and eat cake.

SirEdmundFrillary Wed 13-Mar-13 16:46:46

Quite, mother. Should we not all be trying to die younger, given we'll be left gasping for water in a pile of poo? Actresses, rich people and royals excepted. The least we can do is get out as soon as we can.

expatinscotland Wed 13-Mar-13 16:48:15

BunnyLebowski summed it up.

znaika Wed 13-Mar-13 16:48:36

It;s not the food itself though is it? - it's the neurosis. She reminsd me of the Friends episode of Monica recording a phone message saying "I'm breezy", when that's the last thing she is. Eat good wellmade food at home by all means, many people (esp us non westerners) do anyway, but quit with the fetishing and banning and stressing.

duchesse - a raw vegan diet??

I would, quite frankly, rather be dead.

kerala Wed 13-Mar-13 16:53:09

I used to live in Gwynnie's neighbourhood and often saw her kids and nanny out and about (funnily enough never saw her). Once my friend and I saw the kids at soft play AND THE NANNY GAVE THEM CRISPS WHICH THEY GOBBLED UP. I will say no more....don't believe what you read in the paper wink

expatinscotland Wed 13-Mar-13 16:55:17

'Her kids are going to rebel and only eat junk food from about 14 onwards. We'll see how smug she is then.'

Probably more likely to be hoovering up hard drugs having to live with her whackoness.

kerala Wed 13-Mar-13 16:57:13

I used to babysit for an uber health conscious very middle class hippyish family - no wheat or sugar allowed. The kids were pale and always ill and went into melt down in shops at the sight of sweets (which was fun for a teenage sitter there were 3 of them). The eldest is now a drug dealer.

DewDr0p Wed 13-Mar-13 16:57:18

Lol Kerala. I think she has a bizarre relationship with food and is at risk of screwing up her kids' view of it too.

EwanHoozami Wed 13-Mar-13 16:57:58

Ha - I just came on to say wot BIWI said grin

I'm a long-term low-carb (not no-carb) eater. I have a 3yo so this is something I've thought about quite carefully. I've come to the conclusion that I don't want to exclude anything from his diet and feed him really good, fresh non-processed grub across the spectrum. He probably does get less pasta / bread / biscuits than his peers because I don't have much in the house but I'm not going to sweat it if he comes back from a birthday party full of wotsits and jaffa cakes. That's all part of being a kid and I don't want to get all Gwynneth about it.

And "specific hunger" just sounds really fucking pretentious.

HorribleMother Wed 13-Mar-13 16:58:25

What I think about this story is...

I barely understand who Gwynth Paltrow is and I don't give a toss how she feeds her kids.

Of course how I eat influences what I feed the DC, keep it simple.

EwanHoozami Wed 13-Mar-13 16:59:34

PS last time I saw GP she was drinking a Budweiser

WowOoo Wed 13-Mar-13 17:03:44

She can afford to eat supremely healthily.

I'd love to have my own personal chef and food advisor--and her figure, wardrobe and bank balance--.

I like her. Just ignore her if you don't.

WowOoo Wed 13-Mar-13 17:04:18

Strikethrough didn't work, damn it. blush

BeCool Wed 13-Mar-13 17:21:49

I was really horrified to read that she is imposing her own dietary restrictions on her young DC.

GP's diet needs will be largely motivated from needing to stay extra thin and trim, being a Hollywood actress.

However she says "Sometimes when my family is not eating pasta, bread or processed grains like white rice, we're left with that specific hunger that comes with avoiding carbs."

It's really hard to know what this means - are the DC avoiding carbs completely (madness)? or are they having brown rice, potatoes, sweet potatoes etc (quite healthy really)?

On the one hand she says they are gluten intolerant - well that doesn't mean avoiding carbs completely, just those with gluten. Then she talks about the hunger from not eating carbs which leads me to think it's not about gluten avoidance, but about carb avoidance - which is madness for young children.

I think from what I've read it's impossible to tell - perhaps it's just a poorly edited article?

Mellywardy Wed 13-Mar-13 17:23:09

The kids may be wheat intolerant....But how does she fill them up if not feeding them carbs, my son would never survive, he eats as much as me!

Bunfags Wed 13-Mar-13 17:35:25

Processed foods of any kind are unhealthy, especially refined carbs, your body treats them the same as sugar. So, I can understand wanting to limit your DC's consumption of white bread, white pasta, potatoes and white rice - but cutting them out completely? I'd lose the will to live.

However, Gwyneth looks as though she lives off beansprouts or similar. That quote brings to mind an image of a miserable family, huddled round a bottle of wheat grass juice. I can only imagine that meals at Chez Paltrow are a joyless affair without some spuds, bread or cake.

motherinferior Wed 13-Mar-13 17:38:06

Has she actually had her kids tested? It's complete idiocy to say 'all nutritionists' think wheat is the devil's food - plenty of proper dieticians (you know, the ones who are properly trained, don't just decide one day that they are nutritionists) are totally fine with it. Lots of cultures survive on bloody wheat.

It seems to me that giving kids lots of carbs makes them get used to eating lots of carbs, i.e. it will shape their way of eating as adults. Since getting to know a very little bit about low carbing this seems wrong.

On the other hand surely active children need more carbs than sitting on their bum all day sedentary adults.

happybubblebrain Wed 13-Mar-13 17:44:01

Anyone else just a teensy bit bored of what the celebs are eating this week?

StoicButStressed Wed 13-Mar-13 17:55:21

Bit confused by lots upthread referencing GP/other pastas & other 'carbs' her DC's must be havinghmm... Agree pretty reasonable assumption that l'il Apple & Moses must (MUST!) get a LOT of fruit & veg, but the quote seems kinda specific & precise vis pasta/carbs per se?

'Sometimes when my family is not eating pasta, bread or processed grains like white rice, we're left with that specific hunger that comes with avoiding carbs.'

Quote rules out pasta full stop; so presumably both wholegrain & gluten free corn pasta etc ARE included within that exclusion?

Notion of her DC's (or anyone's TBH) being left with a 'specific hunger' (i.e. not 'craving' or 'longing for' - which would sort of understand - but 'specific hunger' ) leaves me a bit speechless TBH.

The 'that comes with avoiding carbs' DOES clearly sort of state she IS referencing 'avoiding carbs' (at risk of stating obvious given it IS what she apparently said?) - IE the whole food group.

Just leaves me thinking those basics of tad concerned re food issues when older, and that DCs need ALL food groups? Anyway, hope she's braced for the kick-back risk when they're older - "Hey Mommy, I had a GREAT Big Mac today" grin

Xenia Wed 13-Mar-13 18:06:35

Let us not forget that most English children eat a dreadful diet of soft drinks, crisps and junk. It is perfectly possible to be very healthy indeed on a diet without refined carbs and white bread.

What is a shame is when a traditional English diet and indeed diet of mankind for 2 million years which is the opposite of fussy and is what we were made to eat is regarded by obese ill badly fed British mothers as deranged because it is a diet of foods which are good for children. That is the position we are in.

Day after day parents and schools peddle sugar at their children at every turn, at parties, as treats at school, at stations, in machines at school on and on and on until it has become almost normal in effect to poison children who are now going to be the fattest in history and die young and yet we turn on a mother who is feeding by contrast her children rather well.

StoicButStressed Wed 13-Mar-13 18:10:37

Kerala & WowOoo both hit (diff!) nails on head but identical theme... ze STAFFgrin:

1 - About 8 million yrs ago I was a Nanny (in that kind of neighbourhood IYKWIM) whilst studying. Was astounding how many of the Mothers who frequently had Jack to do with their DC's, ESP the ones who WEREN'T working Mums would impose own - UBER tight as they wanted to be thin...sad - diets on DCs. Without fail, all of the nannies would let l'il Johnnie or Phoebe have an odd hot chocolate or something as felt so bloody sorry for them...

2 - GP is at most a size 6-8 and a BMI that is obv lower than recommended for her, ahem, age. She puts in hours (plural) at Madge's gym with her Personal Trainer (more staff!!!) and then yep, CAN come home to a pretty gorgeous quinoa and beetroot salad etc as has SOMEONE ELSE to make it for her!

And whilst she has at least been honest enough to fess up to fact she is ALREADY at risk of Osteoporosis; to then follow that up with that diet imposed on DC's really alarms me/make me think she may have screw loose? seems a tad nuts?

nuttymummyof2 Wed 13-Mar-13 18:21:33

You shouldn't ever put children on a no carbs diet, unless they have a specific dietary requirement under exceptionally rare circumstances and several dieticians have considered this beneficial and these children are very closely monitered by them.
However I felt gwenyth was refering too the processed white carbohydrates, and not all starchy carbs. Most older children and adults would certainly benefit from this.
No carbohydrate diets have not been proved safe and you should certainly not inflict faddy diets on children, rant over

But what are her nutritional qualifications?? Why is she given freedom to spout her idiocy and why do we permit her to get airtime?

She is about as qualified as Gillian McKeith - and we all know how that ended

StoicButStressed Wed 13-Mar-13 18:38:01

In a pile of shit?;)

vegetables are carbs. if you means she is keeping her kids off processed pasta and bread you can't blame her for feeding her kids well

TSSDNCOP Wed 13-Mar-13 18:48:26

I wonder if Gwyneth would be interested in hearing what DH, DS and me eat?

No?

Back at ya Gywnneth grin

It's all got to be easier with a whopping current account, a live in chef and a nanny that has to persuade the little Coldplays to eat their misery tea.

BIWI Wed 13-Mar-13 18:49:28

nuttymummy - I wasn't aware that anyone was peddling a 'no carbohydrate' diet. What do you mean by that?

Mintyy Wed 13-Mar-13 19:00:54

Wonder why you are asking us our opinions HQ? Its not something I've seen you do often.

My view is that refined carbs aren't actual poison so long as they do not form the backbone of a diet, and that its not good to expose your children to extreme ways of eating.

Glittertwins Wed 13-Mar-13 19:04:15

Everything in moderation surely? I have PCOS so carbs are not good for me and I don't et a lot of them. But, I recognise that the DCs need carbs for energy and development. I don't tell them that things are bad, just that we should all be healthy and exercise and they do a lot of that.

exoticfruits Wed 13-Mar-13 19:05:53

She seems to experiment a lot with her children- it will be interesting to see how they turn out. Children eat what you eat - it is as simple as that.

MrsMushroom Wed 13-Mar-13 19:10:16

We sometimes have a break from carbs. My DC will eat fish with a salad and beans...kidney beans for instance. Not a problem.

BIWI Wed 13-Mar-13 19:11:04

... but that isn't a break from carbs. Salad and kidney beans have carbs in them.

MrsMushroom Wed 13-Mar-13 19:12:33

Do they BIWI?

louisianablue2000 Wed 13-Mar-13 19:16:34

Children should be eating bread and pasta and potatoes and rice, as should adults. The classic food plate that is a visual representation of what we should eat is 40% starchy carbs and 40% fruit and veg.

If she really thinks what has been reported then her view of what is healthy appears to have been dangerously warped by her career in an industry that objectifies women. She might well pay a fortune to have a personal nutritionalist tell her what to eat but those people have an interest in creating a complex diet that is difficult to follow. A sensible diet is not complicated and you can see the advice of dieticians for free on the food standards agencies website.

BIWI Wed 13-Mar-13 19:18:19

They do indeed. All vegetables, salad leaves and legumes have carbs in them.

Bartlebee Wed 13-Mar-13 19:21:42

My, non hungry, children rarely eat 'processed' carbs in the evening meal as dh and I don't and I know they eat more than enough for breakfast and lunch.

Oblomov Wed 13-Mar-13 19:39:06

Really BIWI? Oh . Must have got my diabetic carb counting wrong for the last 40 years then.

BIWI Wed 13-Mar-13 19:41:21

confused you're joking aren't you?

Oblomov Wed 13-Mar-13 19:46:51

There is so litle carb content in lettuce, that it requires no insulin.

BIWI Wed 13-Mar-13 19:48:37

Yes that's true - you would have to eat an awful lot of lettuce to have too many carbs!

Beamur Wed 13-Mar-13 19:51:46

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbohydrate
Wikipedia agrees with BIWI, fruit and veg do indeed contain carbs.

Oblomov Wed 13-Mar-13 19:53:09

Lettuce, cucumber, tomatoes, celery, radish, spinach,bwatercress etc, have less than 2 grammes of carbs per 100 gramnes of each veg. Idont eat 100g of any of those in my salads. Eggs bacon. No carbs. No inslin required on my insulin pump.

Oblomov Wed 13-Mar-13 19:55:38

Fruit does. I portion of fruit equals atleast 10 grammes of carb, which requires 1 unit of insulin.

superstarheartbreaker Wed 13-Mar-13 20:08:29

I will get flamed for this but I think that some children are only gluten intolerant because their parents are frightened of carbs. I think that processed white flour etc isn't great but I think that cutting them out completely so young is a bit extreme.

My ex had the Gwyntheth diet; he was macrobiotic. He was a fanatical vegan and I almost died under his regime hence my eat a litle bit of what you fancy approach to food. Especially if it's chocolate cake!

MoYerBoat Wed 13-Mar-13 20:17:20

This thread has proved to me that none of us - including Gwynnie - know what the bleeding hell we're talking about.

Eurostar Wed 13-Mar-13 20:27:54

Why would anyone take lifestyle advice from someone who had developed thinning bones by their early thirties?

Very interesting article on gluten intolerance and suggestions for why it is increasing here...
www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/opinion/sunday/what-really-causes-celiac-disease.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

educator123 Wed 13-Mar-13 20:30:43

I am really interested in the said cookery book, just to see what meals she has come up with.

My children eat alot of pasta and its my quick go to meal, not sure how i would cope without it. I usually tell myself its not too bad they have it a couple of times a week, with a healthy sauce...being as they never have things like chips/nuggets etc!

But not being able to use the list of things like pasta and dairy...we would struggle to think of thing and the children actually eat it...my dd2 will vertually eat anything if i say it has pasta in it!

BIWI Wed 13-Mar-13 20:33:53

Er - speak for yourself, MoYerBoat! I know a lot about low carbing, thank you very much!

See here - written by me

motherinferior Wed 13-Mar-13 20:38:22

I am a health journalist. I know a fair bit about what I am talking about.

Eurostar Wed 13-Mar-13 20:45:47

educator No reason to worry about your DC having pasta unless they show ill effects after eating it? Just be sure that the portions are not too big. I have never come across a pasta portion served in a cafe/restaurant outside of Italy that is not far too large.

JakeBullet Wed 13-Mar-13 20:47:48

Vegetables and fruit ARE carbs....so Gwynnie is giving her kids plenty of them....she's just choosing not to give them processed shite.

I am now eating a Low carb diet with the blessing of my GP....my ratios are 70% fat, 20% protein and 10% carbs.

I have lost a significant amount of weight.

Would I feed my child like this.....yes with some provisos. His bread is the lowest carb whole grain I can find, he has potatoes, pasta is now once a week (a useless starch) and he eats the rest in the form of fruit and vegetables.

There are sound reasons and evidence to back up reducing the carbohydrate we consume as a nation. Bit a little of what you fancy now and then is fine smile

IfNotNowThenWhen Wed 13-Mar-13 20:48:40

She is clearly a loony. If I was her child I would be locked in a cupboard injecting cake directly into my veins.

IfNotNowThenWhen Wed 13-Mar-13 20:51:16

It would be the good stuff too. French fancies. Not that crap cut with oats and shit.

pinkandyellowbutterfly Wed 13-Mar-13 20:58:30

But won't the forbidding of wheat/carb/treats just make the children crave them even more? Unless you ban them from birthday parties for the rest of their life they are gonna be exposed to cake at some point or another. I'm sure they'll be eating biscuits on the quiet and it might increase the chances of having an eating disorder in later life. Their friends will be smuggling extra cheese sandwiches and cake into their packed lunches cos they will feel so sorry for them!! I don't think a well balanced lifestyle means defying all natural urges to eat sensibly from a major food group, unless of course you are allergic or it genuinely repulses you. It seems a shame that these food issues are being prejected so publically on the children imo.

BoffinMum Wed 13-Mar-13 20:59:30

Daft bint.

JakeBullet Wed 13-Mar-13 21:01:22

Absolutely mad to think you can ban foods......my son loves all manner of refined and processed rubbish and I still buy it for him....but it's a once every now and then thing.

exoticfruits Wed 13-Mar-13 22:40:22

If you have a diet that you can't be sociable with simply isn't going to work ( unless you have to stick to it for medical reasons). You need to be able to eat out at other people's houses, order a meal at a restaurant, manage a child's party etc without having to phone up first with special arrangements (unless allergies or vegetarian etc).
Telling DCs that foods are 'good' or 'bad' is a huge mistake- the 'bad' instantly becomes desirable. You need to eat a healthy balanced diet as a family most of the time and you can relax about odd occasions. If you are controlling your DC's diet when you can't control your own then you don't stand a chance of getting them to stick to it- although, to give her her due she is at least controlling her own too (as far as we know).
One thing is for sure - those children will get a lucrative book deal when older writing about life with an over controlling mother! (Unless she is very lucky and they agree with her).

Idotry Wed 13-Mar-13 22:41:40

What I find irritating from certain friends with eating disorders (to the point where one is on medication for insomnia because she's so freaking hungry at night) is the fruit and veg is CARB commentary. Yes, great, I'm sure it is but why are you so scared of the more filling, other healthy carbs such as whole grain rice, whole wheat pasta blah blah - answer because the petrified of getting fat!
Personally, I wouldn't be able to function on solely fruit, veg and the old legume - my metabolism is just to fast and I'd become an emotional, hungry wreck.

Panzee Wed 13-Mar-13 22:43:44

Best website ever: whatwouldgwynethdo.com/

HazeltheMcWitch Wed 13-Mar-13 22:46:00

Orthorexia, innit?

StoicButStressed Wed 13-Mar-13 22:53:12

Have just looked at full cover of book (here: www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/04/gwyneth-paltrows-new-cookbook-recipes_n_2409416.html ) and just have to laugh at it - again, along the 'ze staff' lines...)grin

It's got a DEF photoshopped pic of a gleaming Gwynie but looking about 10 years younger than she does in other 'au naturelle' current pics BIG photo of GP on full cover; a BIG byline as her as author; and underneath, in itsy-bity font, name of person who probably wrote the book her 'co-writer'.

The blurb in press release also refers to her as a 'lifestyle guru' and her Goop site as: 'Many women's best girlfriend on the web' hmm - Eh I thought that was MNwink?

In spite of my cynicism, for balance feel I should point out couple of things:

1) Whilst still do NOT agree with notion of cutting out entire food groups for children, she is correct in her obs. re gluten. Could fill a page here as to why, but headline is that even leaving Coeliacs out of it, shedloads of people do have issues with gluten and often find that seemingly unrelated health issues resolve if cut gluten out (that's cut GLUTEN out, not all carbs!)

2) I have no choice but to loathe her for having free access to shagging Chris Martin. No idea why, but this (from Brit Awards '09 but crushette still going strong four years later!) just made me fancy pants off him[blush www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-uRq7cKcbc (it's the bit at about 02:39.00 into performance... not that I like, y'know, paid too much attention to it... where he had to pull his t-shirt down over THAT naval line going down thing that started it...)

stopgap Wed 13-Mar-13 22:57:01

I'm a gym-going, yoga-doing, organic-buying PITA, but I'm not sure she's going about it the right way. Gwynnie, have you never heard of brown rice pasta or sprouted bread? It doesn't have to be a white Warburton's or nothing, you know.

coralanne Wed 13-Mar-13 23:12:24

I gave up eating bread about 8 weks ago. I LOVE butter and spread it about 1 inch thick. So it was pointless eating bread if I couldn't have the butter.
I don't eat rice very much and when I do it's brown. Same with Pasta. Probably once a month and then it's spelt.

I have lost 8 kilos since I gave up bread and butter. (and pastry of any description.)

RichManPoorManBeggarmanThief Wed 13-Mar-13 23:21:04

Her kids have no chance in life. They have the 'extreme twat' gene coming at them from both sides

rubyrubyruby Wed 13-Mar-13 23:27:51

I cant wait to see what happens when they reach their teens.

angeltulips Thu 14-Mar-13 07:11:15

Didn't she also say they avoided dairy? I'd be more worried about that - gwynnie has already said she has osteoporosis, and now she's doing the same to her kids

JakeBullet Thu 14-Mar-13 07:14:47

If her kids are still hungry after eating then they are doing their low carb all wrong.

claig Thu 14-Mar-13 07:29:32

I admire her for searching for answers to improve health and diet. But I think she has believed the wrong advice. I think she needs to eat meat. However, she has changed diets over the years and I think she will eventually get there and end up with a good healthy diet when she ditches some of teh advice she now believes in and finally gets it right.

She has already realised that sunbathing is important, which goes against the official advice that she has been told for many years.

'“I went on a prescription strength level of vitamin D and was told to spend a bit of time in the sun!

“I was curious if this was safe, having been told for years to stay away from its dangerous rays, not to mention a tad confused.”

I think she'll get it right in the end, when she ditches a lot of the official advice and finds the real answers.

www.express.co.uk/posts/view/181761/Rays-of-hope-for-Paltrow

claig Thu 14-Mar-13 07:33:45

'I was curious if this was safe, having been told for years to stay away from its dangerous rays'

This is her problem. She is too credulous and believeing of "advice".
People worked in fields for centuries without factor 8 protection. She needs to get real and get it right, but I think that she will eventually get there.

exoticfruits Thu 14-Mar-13 07:48:22

I think that the irritating thing is her need to publicise her parenting ideas- from the children's point of view it is much better to keep it, and them, very private.

exoticfruits Thu 14-Mar-13 07:49:48

They appear to be more of 'a project' than children! A shame she doesn't go in for benign neglect.

StoicButStressed Thu 14-Mar-13 07:55:40

That's the rub tho isn't it Exotic - she isn't publicising her 'parenting ideas', she's using all and anything (inc. DC's) to publicise her book and her Goop 'lifetyle' site**. Leaving the awful dietary stuff being imposed on her DC's, just the former turns my gut a bit.

<watches and waits for GP GOOP 'lifestyle brand' products to hit shelves, as nada doubt that's where heading>

**Which even more nauseating given the vast amount has spouted re 'not being that celeb parent who will let their DCs be in media', & goes to huge lengths to not even be pictured as a couplehmm

QuickLookBusy Thu 14-Mar-13 08:01:52

Sounds like her dc are eating a perfectly healthy diet.

No one needs highly processed carbs, especially children.

exoticfruits Thu 14-Mar-13 08:11:59

A book she can only sell because she is a celebrity.

teaandthorazine Thu 14-Mar-13 08:23:02

White flour and sugar are not food groups.

I don't like GP. But I do think it' says a lot about our fucked-up relationship with food in this country that she's being called a nutter and a stupid bint for cutting out nutritionally void foods from her kids' diets.

Low (not no) carb is an eminently sensible - and delicious - way to eat.

exoticfruits Thu 14-Mar-13 08:24:43

Cutting out processed foods is the best way - as long as you don't treat them like poison when children do come across them.

CogitoErgoSometimes Thu 14-Mar-13 08:39:44

I think GP is entitled to feed her kids however she wishes... but should not be surprised to discover in due course that her kids are also entitled to seek out friends with homes where they can snaffle a Mothers Pride sandwich and bar of choc. smile

exoticfruits Thu 14-Mar-13 08:41:19

You can be sure they will Cognito grin If ever they get the chance!

exoticfruits Thu 14-Mar-13 08:42:25

I suspect they are so regulated that there will be little chance until they get to teenage and break free in a spectacular way!

CogitoErgoSometimes Thu 14-Mar-13 08:49:22

I have some friends who went the GP route of wholesome food for their 3 DCs... no problem there. But I won't forget the day they pitched up at a little party round mine and all three stood round a pretty big bowl of crisps shovelling handfuls into their mouths until it was gone. Not sure that was quite what my friends intended.

hermioneweasley Thu 14-Mar-13 08:49:30

I find it astonishing. The woman has given herself a serious illness (pre onset osteoporosis but I can't remember what the specific condition is called) through her approach to eating and exercise, and she still thinks it is OK to push her food weirdness on her children and other people. Why would anyone listen to her???

Mintyy Thu 14-Mar-13 09:06:39

These are the parents who hired a night nanny to sleep train their babies from birth (they cried it out basically) so that prejudices me quite deeply against them.

Xenia Thu 14-Mar-13 10:15:46

Yes, most replies on the thread illustrate why 60% of people in the UK are over weight, diabetes is out of control and depression rates are high and people will die younger than their parents because they eat junk.

On this "But I do think it' says a lot about our fucked-up relationship with food in this country that she's being called a nutter and a stupid bint for cutting out nutritionally void foods from her kids' diets. " Absolutely. Many children eat a very healthy diet with lots of fat, protein, fish, eggs, veg without of course ever being hungry and without eating the junk food mentioned by so many as some how essential on this thread.

She a pain in the arse for going on about it. No one likes a holier than thou attitude.

To be honest, expert advice on a healthy diet changes all the time. I think you're likely to do more damage to yourself stressing over it than just getting on with eating what you feel like (and enjoying what you eat). I'd only regret it if I spent my life panicking about what kind of carbs I feed my children (and it wouldn't necessarily prevent them from getting ill anyway).

In any case, medical advice for us is that my 3yo isn't to have high-fibre, wholegrain foods. It gives him the squits.

mindosa Thu 14-Mar-13 10:34:13

Xenia
I think you are wrong here.
A healthy balanced diet is the best way to achieve long term health. As a nation we eat too much and too many processed foods.
Gwyneth Paltrow is not advocating a balanced approach, she is advocating an extreme and she seems to switch from extremes to extremes, which is is no way a healthy approach to eating.
I think its interesting that a lot of posters in support of her way of eating comment on how they have lost X amount of weight so clearly they had not been balanced before or would not have had that weight to lose.

WowOoo Thu 14-Mar-13 10:45:41

Yes, Arbitrary - too much wholegrain for my 3 yr old does not agree with him at all.

But, I mix white, wild and brown rice (majority white tbh) and the kids eat this happily once a week. Makes the more expensive wild and brown last much longer.

StoicButStressed Thu 14-Mar-13 10:46:09

Tea You're are obv uber correct re 'White flour and sugar are not food groups'. Ditto I UTTERLY agree 'Low (not no) carb is an eminently sensible - and delicious - way to eat' (& frankly wish a few more did when you walk down the average High St...). BUT.... Unless she has been massively mis-quoted (which seriously doubt as known for being Media litigious; and also I think it's a direct 'lift' from the book/book's blurb), that isn't what she said had cut out &/or her DC's never have? Said:

"Sometimes when my family is not eating pasta, bread OR processed grains like white rice, we're left with that specific hunger that comes with avoiding carbs.

Think it's the very absolute statement of 'avoiding carbs' (IE de facto including the complex healthier carbs too) and that acknowledges DC's are left with 'that specific hunger' that has so many people here a bit hmm. Esp. given it's so bleedin obvious that all DCs food intake % 'split' across food groups is SO different to that which adults require (most adults NOT being still growing - apart from in girth in some cases - and NOT having the same amount of very physical energy needed and expended by l'il bods).

NicknameTaken Thu 14-Mar-13 10:47:11

My mother was and is into healthy eating. As a child, dinner might be aduki bean stew with brown rice, and carob chips and almonds for dessert. It left me feeling quite deprived and prone to secret binges on sugary food. I'm better about it these days - except when my mother comes to stay and tut-tuts disapprovingly at everything I put in my mouth....

Farewelltoarms Thu 14-Mar-13 10:53:10

I daresay her children are eating healthier than mine, but what gets me is that she has that attitude that many entitled privileged people have which is that 'you civvies could all be like me if you just worked a little harder', without acknowledging just how much their lives have benefitted from the very start from good fortune. She is the good looking daughter of rich, successful, famous parents whose first break was from her godfather Steven Spielberg who is now married to a stonkingly rich musician. Yet I'm sure she believes that she's where she is from hard work. You know those children of famous people who say things like 'I'd never do a job I didn't believe in' with no concept of the reality for the vast majority of the world.
And it's like this with her children. By pronouncing on childrearing she seems to be implying that we could all do like her. And I feel, oh god, my children eat crap like cereals and bread because it's quick and easy and they are thin to the point of underweight and I just want them to eat something as I work have no domestic staff etc etc.
But logically I know she talks out of her toned ass about them. There was one quote about how her children are fluent in Spanish because they have a Spanish nanny so then she got a French nanny and now they're fluent in both. And I feel all inadequate because I should be teaching my kids Spanish and making them watch Spanish TV. And then I look at my friends who are native Greek/Italian/Arabic speakers and how difficult they find it to get their children fluent (i.e. in their mother tongue) and I realise that Gwynnie's grasp of reality might be a little bit looser than our own...
As I say, doesn't stop me feeling inadequate about my carb scoffing monolingual failures...

Bonsoir Thu 14-Mar-13 10:55:19

Indeed, Farewelltoarms. One might even say that GP has too few real problems to fill her day...

Farewelltoarms Thu 14-Mar-13 10:58:36

The thing is Bonsoir is that she saves so much time by doing her post-workout stretching exercises in the shower while her conditioner works that she has acres of free time to fill each day.

duchesse Thu 14-Mar-13 11:02:01

If GP is coeliac, it will be that that has given her osteoporosis if that's what she has. Coeliac disease weakens bones by preventing adequate absorption of nutrients. I'm sure nobody would advocate that she just eat some white toast to cure coeliac and mend her bones? If she were coeliac, which can be inherited, that would explain why she doesn't want to feed her children masses of gluten, surely?

Bonsoir Thu 14-Mar-13 11:03:24

Yes. She is quite hot on her multi-tasking time saving tips. Just how many nannies, housekeepers and chauffeurs does she have? Trainers, hairdressers, beauticians, tutors, dermatologists, decorators?

Pfff.

mindosa Thu 14-Mar-13 11:40:36

Bonsoir But if only we all just tried that bit harder we could be the same as GP. Its our fault for not being high enough achievers.

Bonsoir Thu 14-Mar-13 12:04:20

You are quite right. If I am not perfect in every single way I should self-flagellate and read Gwynnie to incite myself into yet more striving.

wordfactory Thu 14-Mar-13 12:35:41

A life without pasta, risotto, pilau rice, croissants, the perfect bacon sandwich...is not a life I wish to live, nor one which I wish to pass on to my DC.

Food is central to being human. It's who we are. It matters.

Humans have know this since the dawn of time. In every corner of the globe.

Carbohydrates are part and parcel of this.

Bonsoir Thu 14-Mar-13 12:38:50

And pizza, wordfactory. I love pizza...

wordfactory Thu 14-Mar-13 12:42:32

Yep. I love a four seasons pizza.

I also love paella, and a big hunk of baguette to mop up the sauce in my moules, and rice noodles in a big bowl of spicey broth, and roast potatoes...

The trick as ever, is just not to eat too many carbs. And cut them out when a bikini beacons, no?

Bonsoir Thu 14-Mar-13 12:43:56

I eat loads of carbs - they are my favourite food group! And I don't diet either. But I do burn a ton of energy. Carbs are what keep me going!

znaika Thu 14-Mar-13 12:44:25

you are my food kindred spirit word

JakeBullet Thu 14-Mar-13 12:44:42

I think e issue is that certain foods can be habit forming.....and cause blood sugar spikes which result in increased insulin production. This is behind the obesity epidemic in this country.
A LOW carb(ie not NO carb) diet prevents these insulin surges and stops many food cravings which is why people following it lose weight.....no hunger, no cravings just three meals a day and satisfaction in between meaning you have less need or desire to snack.
This is why I have lost weight.....no my diet wasn't balanced before...it was too carb heavy because that's what this and every Govt has recommended. Reducing that carb load has made a massive difference to my weight and my health.....and yes DS is now eating this way too. Having said that he also enjoys the tasty carbs and he isn't denied them....he just doesn't have them everyday.

JakeBullet Thu 14-Mar-13 12:46:35

Could it be that we are all different and have different requirements? I follow the work of Dr Briffa regarding food now....but he says "if every Friday night is pizza night then keep it that way, it's what you do MOST of the time which matters".

So tis okay word, you can still eat pizza grin

IfNotNowThenWhen Thu 14-Mar-13 12:59:17

You can feed your kids a healthy diet, without having so many RULES about it.
I grew up on brown rice and lentils, and very little meat, and this had probably contributed to my kick ass immune system, but we still had the odd Arctic Roll, or Supermousse.
You can eat mostly good fibrous brown things and green veggies, and if you do, a bit of trash won't harm you.
The human body is not so delicate and vulnerable it can't process a hot cross bun from time to time.

Bonsoir Thu 14-Mar-13 13:01:07

Self-discipline is one thing, having masses of superfluous-to-requirements self-imposed rules in order to feel more perfect and more superior to other mere mortals who don't have them is quite another...

wordfactory Thu 14-Mar-13 13:13:13

jake I think reducing carbs and increasing protein can be hugely helpful if one wants to lose weight.

Certainly it's what I do when I feel the need.

And if my DC were getting overweight I would gently reduce their carb intake and increase their exercise.

But imposing a carb free diet en famille when as far as I can see the Paltrow clan have no weight issues seems draconian and joyless.

The idea that one should spend ones life in battle against illness and death is alien to me. By all means look after yourself, of course. But to deny yourself pleasure and comfort? What's the point?

Xenia Thu 14-Mar-13 13:44:30

We are certainly split on this thread. I don't find the foods I eat are joyless in any way at all and I don't eat sweets or chocolate and don't find my life lacking in joy because I don't just as I don't feel my life lacks joy because I don't take cocaine or smoke cigarettes or have a bottle of wine a night.

What you need is a healthy lovely diet for life which plenty of vegetarians have and those who only eat whole foods but eat brown carb and meat have and also those who eat few carbs except in veg/fruit. Then you have the other camp - which sadly these days is most people, a diet loaded with junk day in day out which is why 60% of British people are fat.

Bonsoir Thu 14-Mar-13 13:50:57

I have a fantastically healthy diet - fresh food from the market cooked at home, with masses of variety and loads of fruit and vegetables. It just doesn't exclude lovely white carbohydrate. Brown bread, rice etc makes me ill anyway! I love musli but have to limit my consumption as it upsets my digestion.

CogitoErgoSometimes Thu 14-Mar-13 13:58:55

Kids aside, no-one worried about husband Chris Whathisface coping with this 'specific hunger'? He already looks like - in the words of my late granny - he needs a good hot dinner and a few pints of blood. Deny the poor chap the occasional pasta twist and his songs risk getting even more miserable than they already are.

Bonsoir Thu 14-Mar-13 14:04:29

This thread is making me hungry. I'm in Le Pain Quotidien having a quick snack while shopping and eyeing up some sweet carb laden desserts...

This is the sort of thread that would have my French and Italian friends laughing. Unless there is a medical reason/allergy, everything in moderation! Why does it have to be all or nimbyism nothing at all. There are people who eat too much rubbish, but let's face it, they're not eating homemade tarte tatin/apple pie, but the bought rubbish. I think home economics back in schools would help hugely, but there are some people who actually like crap or can't be arsed to cook. You can lead a horse to water.....

WowOoo Thu 14-Mar-13 14:21:48

Cogito grin. I am worried about the poor man, I am.

TheYamiOfYawn Thu 14-Mar-13 14:36:02

I don't eat grains, and rarely est sugar. I am gradually reducing the grains I cook for my kids. If we go out for a meal they can eat what we like, and I get them cakes from the school cake stall etc, but at home they have to suffer through such dull, joyless wholesome food as burgers with guacamole and sweet potato chips.

TheRealFellatio Thu 14-Mar-13 14:49:18

I completely agree with you LAB, but unfortunately for people who have developed too much of a reliance on processed carbs in the form of wheat based products or things loaded with sugar then 'moderation' can be very hard to do. I think GP just doesn't want her children to get too much of a taste for those things as part of an everyday diet, so that they are capable of doing moderation later on, and don't live their lives at the mercy of cravings.

ubik Thu 14-Mar-13 15:30:16

Do you think that when Coldplay tour, Chris goes wild sometimes drinking, y'know, three pints and then staggers to the chippy for a battered sausage?

no i don't think so either

I think the idea that there are only two types of diets (one that resembles GP's and the other some stereotypical junk-food laden monstrosity eaten by overweight people who are dooming their children to a life of obesity (cue sad faces as we all ponder the fate of the ickle children) is just ridiculous. There are lots of different ways to eat and Every Single One of them has both advantages and disadvantages. Some will suit some people more than others.

So many people just seem to be desperate to see themselves as superior to others. It's depressing.

snoworneahva Thu 14-Mar-13 15:58:54

My kids get a lower carb diet - they do not throw themselves uncontrollably at sugar when given the opportunity, other kids I know who have a high carb diet do - does that anedote prove anything? Thought not - you believe what you want to.

rubyrubyruby Thu 14-Mar-13 16:33:15

Whenever I see Chris it Gwynnie I can't help thinking of Liam Gallaghers reference to them as 'that nobhead student and his gawky bird' grin

racingheart Thu 14-Mar-13 16:33:28

What I truly don't understand is why people are so extreme. It's as though the one thing which we cannot be is balanced. Either we mainline white flour and white sugar until we are barely mobile or we build up an increasing list of forbidden foods and get that manic evangelical gleam in our eyes.

The key thing is to eat a variety of foods and not too much of any one of them. Anyone can be healthy and the right weight if they eat plenty of fruit and veg, and enough protein and carbs but never over or undereat for their body type and activity levels. But that's too boring and obvious. People prefer the high drama of creating lists of forbidden foods or giving themselves sugar rushes.

JulesJules Thu 14-Mar-13 16:37:55

Well it's hard to tell anything from that Huff Post article, it's so badly written.

This is interesting by Joanna Blythman

ubik Thu 14-Mar-13 16:51:49

I agree racing

the key is to stay at a healthy weight, eat fruit and veg every day.There's no magic ingredient or recipe for health - just don't overeat. make sure you have a balance of nutrients.

Stopping carbs is just another way of cutting calorie intake unless it's medically indicated.

BIWI Thu 14-Mar-13 16:58:02

Actually that's not true. If you follow a low (not 'no') carb diet, you are more than likely to be eating more calories. But without gaining weight.

Bunfags Thu 14-Mar-13 17:29:33

I don't think healthy diets are joyless, but let's face it, I bet Gwyneth Paltrow doesn't really include tasty whole foods like avocado, seeds and real butter in her diet. She looks like she exists off a diet of raw vegetables. I was all skinny like that when I went through a raw vegan phase. For some reason I imagine her having something like an organic tofu and spirulina smoothie for dinner! Sorry, but she comes across as being so twee.

Someone like Jillian Michaels looks fit and healthy, she eats a natural diet, isn't scared of good fats and her recipes are very tasty! She certainly doesn't look hungry, but she does look lean and strong.

We don't eat much in the way of refined carbs in this house, but we do enjoy good quality food. I don't shun carbs, but I limit them to sweet potato and that kind of thing. We have pudding once a week etc. Humans are kind of pre-programmed to seek out high sugar and fatty foods, I don't see the harm in the occasional indulgence. Drinking alcohol all the time isn't healthy, but there's nothing wrong with a glass or two of wine as a treat.

wordfactory Thu 14-Mar-13 18:09:47

I find it astonishing that people consider food like risotto, or a piece of cake unhealthy.

Of course they're not unhealthy. Eating too much of them is unhealthy but the food stuffs themselves are just part and parcel of the celebration that is food and life grin.

CogitoErgoSometimes Thu 14-Mar-13 18:20:17

"Do you think that when Coldplay tour, Chris goes wild sometimes drinking, y'know, three pints and then staggers to the chippy for a battered sausage?"

I think the entire Paltrow/Whatshisname clan actually have a secret tunnel to their local posh version of Greggs through which they get regular deliveries of ^'patisseries saucisse' that they sit happily munching while dreaming up yet more daft suggestions to press-release out to the unsuspecting public.

"Have we told them we brine the kids' tofu in organic yak piss yet Chris?"
"That's a good one Gwynnie love. Pass the Sauce Papa I feel a song coming on"

Bonsoir Thu 14-Mar-13 19:56:30

I read a brilliant Italian diet book once (bought in desperation for something to read when on holiday in Naples) which said that the best way to eat cake was instead of another meal, and then proceeded to analyse the nutritional benefits of cake and compare them with other meals. Cake didn't turn out too badly at all and have since followed that advice quite a lot smile

Xenia Fri 15-Mar-13 07:39:08

Yes, but B that is the French way, isn't it? A diet of cake, hot chocolate and not much else. You can indeed be very thin that way but I don't think very happy or healthy. There is a cohort of thin people around who eat very badly. Also more women than not who had the cake then eat more cake and then biscuits and on and on. Few have the self control to stop at the one slice of cake.

Xenia Fri 15-Mar-13 07:44:05

Yes, the article linked above from the Guardian www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2013/mar/13/gwyneth-paltrow-no-carb-diet-perfect-sense pretty much mirrors my own views.

VivaLeBeaver Fri 15-Mar-13 07:51:10

I read an article once from a baker who makes Gwynnth loads of "no carb" cakes.....she puts weird stuff in instead of flour. But its still stacked full of sugar, cream, chocolate,etc. Apparantly Gwyn can't get enough of them.

Glittertwins Fri 15-Mar-13 07:57:21

But sugar is a carbohydrate!

VivaLeBeaver Fri 15-Mar-13 08:00:35

Exactly!

I've just googled looking for the article but can't find it now. Its Sadie Frost's ex nanny who's the baker.

snoworneahva Fri 15-Mar-13 08:26:08

Let them eat cake - it's better than processed breakfast cereals.

cory Fri 15-Mar-13 08:57:29

If my children couldn't eat potatoes and pasta and bread without getting fat I would be wondering what else in their lives was wrong. To my mind, a child should be burning enough calories to need plenty of fuel. A child who needs the diet of a sedentary adult is probably doing something wrong.

cory well said!

Bonsoir Fri 15-Mar-13 10:02:12

French people that I know are slim and eat very well - but they don't eat between meals and they always have plenty of vegetables and fruit every day (not massive piles of them, but several small portions). I think anyone would be hard pressed to say that the average French diet is less healthy than the average British one. Knowledge of nutrition is deeply embedded in French culture in a way that it is not deeply embedded in British culture.

Is that a pint of gravy that Gwynnie is holding up to her mouth in that photo? 'I am fun, I'm not joyless'.....zzzzzzzzzz. When you eat the way she does and tell people in a severe tone that your life IS NOT JOYLESS, I am less inclined to believe it.

MoYerBoat Fri 15-Mar-13 12:01:19

Can we stop Brit-bashing and get back to Gwynnie bashing please.

gimmeanaxe Fri 15-Mar-13 12:49:46

Do french people spend all day cooking Bonsoir, just curious?

Bonsoir Fri 15-Mar-13 12:51:02

No, I don't think so, though they probably spend more time cooking and eating than the British do - they certainly spend more money on higher-quality ingredients.

gimmeanaxe Fri 15-Mar-13 12:57:37

ta.
I dont eat bread or pasta or anything with wheat/gluten in (coeliac) but do eat rice/pulses/veg so some carbs. The kids eat anything and are healthy and slim.
I'm always poorly despite this so-called healthy diet. Lack of B vitimans maybe because of lack of decent grains?
I still think anyone who calls their child 'Apple' is a bit barmy however grin

Bonsoir Fri 15-Mar-13 13:47:58

I thought GP was gorgeous as a young actress but I don't know why her youthful fabulousness qualifies her to self-appointment as some sort of guru of maternal best practice. Maybe she just sort of fell into acting and did brilliantly at it, and she thinks that anything she just happens to do (like motherhood) she will be similarly amazing and celebrity-worthy of?

Xenia Fri 15-Mar-13 13:52:29

I don't think suggesting ways to make cakes etc using better ingredients really is the route to good health. It's like saying coca cola is great because it has aspartame nut sugar. Better just to ditch the diet of cake than try to make substitutes.

On healthy eating I think there is one group of people who eat very badly (hence 60% of British people over weight these days) and on the other those who eat well (and the eating well could be in a variety of ways - it might be 100% vegetarian, it might be brown carbs, protein veg no processed foods, it might be 100% fat/protein - eskimos, it might be rice and fish - Japanese. What all those different ways of eating have in common is no sugar and healthy unprocessed foods.

Bonsoir Fri 15-Mar-13 13:58:50

I agree - if you want a piece of cake, have the piece you really want, instead of something else, from time to time and just eat a diet made up principally of fresh home-cooked food, three times a day.

Which is of course a lot easier said than done, as shopping and cooking from scratch takes a lot of time which these days we are supposed to spend earning in order to buy ever more manufactured goods (ready meals) and outsourced services (restaurants).

exoticfruits Fri 15-Mar-13 14:12:57

I make a fatless, sugarless, eggless fruitcake that is very nice and you only need a small piece.

teaandthorazine Fri 15-Mar-13 14:21:33

Well as long as it's not also joyless, exoticfruits grin

!

exoticfruits Fri 15-Mar-13 14:31:02

No-I really like it and can have it without guilt!

exoticfruits Fri 15-Mar-13 14:32:40

I can stick to my healthy diet if I have a piece of the cake and a square of chocolate every day!

snoworneahva Fri 15-Mar-13 16:16:08

I agree Cory in theory kids should be able to eat almost anything and not gain weight but I know a few kids who are overweight and their parents swear they eat a healthy diet and are very active - not sure what you would suggest to their parents - the theory doesn't seem to work.

wordfactory Fri 15-Mar-13 17:13:34

Are you trying to lose weight exotic?

exoticfruits Fri 15-Mar-13 17:20:27

Lost it 3years ago, and have remained constant ever since- don't even have to bother weighing myself.

snoworneahva Fri 15-Mar-13 17:25:23

Well done exotic - not many people lose weight and keep it off for 3 years.

QuickLookBusy Fri 15-Mar-13 17:52:33

Exotic, what is in the cake if there's no sugar, egg or fat?

I'm intriguedsmile

I'm guessing something like date syrup / ground almonds / cocoa powder / mashed banana.

(i.e. there are still carbs)

exoticfruits Fri 15-Mar-13 19:05:44

dates, dried fruit, wholemeal flour, ground almonds, mixed spice, orange juice and water.
I go running-I need some carbs.

lljkk Fri 15-Mar-13 19:24:36

Ground almonds have fat in them, dried fruit & OJ have "natural"sugars.

exoticfruits Fri 15-Mar-13 19:34:35

Gosh-some people are so literal! It is a cake without the traditional use of fat and sugar. You are supposed to have a balanced diet with some of each food group.

Glittertwins Fri 15-Mar-13 20:38:24

Sound very tasty!

QuickLookBusy Fri 15-Mar-13 21:00:16

Thank you exotic, sounds lovely.

Xenia Sat 16-Mar-13 07:28:15

There are certainly some foods you don't need at all and never do you any good at all. If you just look at what man ate for 2 million years that gives you a pretty good idea of what you should be eating, not modern junk. Substitutes like cola without sugar but including aspartame can often be worse than the original.

Bonsoir Sat 16-Mar-13 07:30:51

If foods make you smile, they do you good! Everything in moderation...

wordfactory Sat 16-Mar-13 07:53:23

Oh xenia don't be such a kill joy.

You won't live forever just because you don't drink champagne or eat lemon tart!

Bonsoir Sat 16-Mar-13 08:04:53

"You won't live forever just because you don't drink champagne or eat lemon tart!"

grin

(and, Xenia, if you want a nice man in your life, enjoying good food together is indispensable! Just saying...)

wordfactory Sat 16-Mar-13 08:09:22

Sadly I am off both champagne and lemon tart at the moment sad.

I am going on holiday at Easter and the world needs to see rather less of me in a bikini!!!

motherinferior Sat 16-Mar-13 10:14:39

A life devoid of champagne and/or lemon tart would be a life bereft of joy.

teaandthorazine Sat 16-Mar-13 10:43:07

I always imagine Xenia drinks champagne at every meal grin

I don't think anyone in this thread is really advocating a life lived entirely without champagne and lemon tart (or whatever floats your boat) - just an acknowledgement of the fact that we are living in a food environment where sugar, for example, is everywhere, in everything and since it's really, really fucking bad for you with no nutritional value whatsoever, it's not actually crazy to try and avoid it whenever possible.

It is perfectly possible to eat luxuriously, joyfully, even hedonistically grin without ingesting tonnes of sugar or other processed carbs. Honest. I eat chocolate and drink booze on a pretty-much day basis - I just choose the stuff that, as far as budget will allow, isn't full of rubbish.

teaandthorazine Sat 16-Mar-13 10:45:23

Oh, and there's nothing wrong with fat at all (sorry am on phone, can't see who made the ground almonds comment)

wordfactory Sat 16-Mar-13 10:47:54

I think xenia is tee total shudders

With the exception of my friend who has a medical reason for not eating certain foods (coeliac), my two friends who are just a pain in the bottom (only fairly recently) and cut everything out have not been invited to any dinners or get-togethers involving food recently because of their hissy fits and general awkwardness. Everyone in our group is pretty fed up of them both.

VenusRising Sat 16-Mar-13 11:33:39

That specific hunger..... Humm, not sure I like the sound of that!

Gwennie is well known for being a little excessive in her lifestyle: extreme diets and exercise regimes: and, in the industry she works, it's to be expected that how you look on the outside is more important.
Also her dad died of cancer, so she's probably following every latest fad to avoid cancer as well.

I feel for her as she's obviously not well educated and informed, and seems to have little to say for herself: it's all the latest fad, be it clothes, lifestyle choices, or food. She's chasing her own tail.

She seems to swing around a lot with her opinions: a few years ago she wouldn't go out in the sun, now she's all leathery with sun damage because she was getting osteoporosis from her wacky lifestyle.

Taken with a pinch of salt, so to speak, avoiding refines carbs and sugar is a good thing, but depriving your kids of a major food group seems abusive!

Time will tell I suppose how her kids will turn out with such a mother (as it will tell with us all).
In an industry where there seems to be so little sense, it doesn't bode well for her kids if she's so controlling now.

rubyrubyruby Sat 16-Mar-13 11:40:35

"You won't live forever just because you don't drink champagne or eat lemon tart!"

No - but it will feel like it grin

teaandthorazine Sat 16-Mar-13 11:43:15

You think it's child abuse not to feed your kids processed food?

Wow. Just wow. Only in the UK.

She isn't cutting out a major food group, fgs.

Bonsoir Sat 16-Mar-13 11:49:45

<sinks teeth into croissant>

<sips cappuccino>

teaandthorazine Sat 16-Mar-13 11:55:04

Bonsoir - I see your croissant and cappuccino and I raise you buttery scrambled eggs, full-fat Greek yoghurt with blueberries and a cafe creme grin

exoticfruits Sat 16-Mar-13 11:56:29

Eating is a social activity and if you have a diet so extreme that you can't eat out in a restaurant or at a friend's house you need to rethink (unless you have medical reasons). I don't eat cake as a general thing, but if I went to someone's house ,and I saw that they had made one specially, then of course I would have a piece -I wouldn't bore them to death with my eating habits.
My DCs had a balanced diet most of the time so if they went to a fast food chain for a party it was no big deal and I didn't have a hissy fit if they came out of school with sweets on someone's birthday. (It won't be long until the killjoy Easter egg posts turn up!)
I have seen the children of strictly controlling parents and in every case they are able to stand there looking as if 'butter wouldn't melt....' while she proses on about how they don't eat crisps etc and yet you know that they are the ones that can't get enough when her back is turned!

Ruprekt Sat 16-Mar-13 11:56:52

I am low carbing and reading up about it I am shocked at what sugar and carbs do to the body.

It has changed my way of how I eat and therefore how my children eat.

I would not give them a huge plate of pasta now or white toast as I understand better what it does to the body.

Fizzy drinks are now banned here and we encourage more water and milk drinking.

The amount of sugar in everyday foods is shocking so we are more conscious of this and read labels more.

Since LC ing I fill up on protein and fat and am not even tempted by biscuits or sugar now. Before I started this way of eating i was at weightwatchers eating low fat crap and then a whole packet of biscuits at 4pm. Doesnt happen now.

Go Gwyneth I say!! smilesmile

rubyrubyruby Sat 16-Mar-13 12:10:35

It does depend on your lifestyle and genetic makeup though.

I limit my carbs - I function better and it controls my weight. Teen DD is similar to me.
However, my DH cycles upto 100 miles at a time and would struggle without them and likewise, my teenage DS's do lots of sport and are shooting up in height. They eat loads of carbs and are are very tall and slim (like DH)
I'm not quite sure how I would fill them up without carbs tbh.

Mintyy Sat 16-Mar-13 12:35:40

Did HQ ever come back to this thread and tell us why they were gathering opinions?

wordfactory Sat 16-Mar-13 12:39:07

rup it is fine, indeed useful to low carb when you're overweight.

But DC who are not, absolutley should not be placed on a high protein, low carb diet IMVHO.

JakeBullet Sat 16-Mar-13 12:52:15

There's low carb and low carb though. My son eats a healthy diet and I watch the carbs....doesn't mean he can't have them.
So his bread is no more than 10g of carb per slice...I don't buy wraps which rack up 30g per wrap.
He has vegetables and fruit which give him extra carbs....he rarely has pasta which is a useless starch IMHO.
He has cheese, cream, butter, meat, fish, eggs.

High carb diets have caused the health issues we have in this country. My own diet now consists of 70% fat, 20% protein and 10% carbs.....I am shedding weight on this and my GP is aware and has given me her blessing to keep going. No it wasn't balanced before....it was carb heavy and my weight went up. It's now fat heavy and my weight is going down. In some parts of the world this is now an accepted and advised way of eating. In Sweden as their butter sales have risen so their obesity levels have started to fall for the first time in 30 years.

My son does not need the same ratios I do as his nutritional requirements are different but he no longer has sugary cereal aka as "shit in a box" in the morning but a protein based breakfast....even if its a slice of toast piled high with peanut butter. Far far better than cereal for him.....lunch is chicken and salad with fruit and whatever else is to hand...carrot sticks or an occasional bag of crisps. I am not a complete dragon....he can still have his sweet stuff if he wants it but its just less often.

Mintyy Sat 16-Mar-13 12:52:41

I find all the "but I can eat as much butter, cream, oil as I like on a low carb diet" really annoying, tbh. I don't much like any of those foods! I don't like greasy, creamy, fatty textures.

JakeBullet Sat 16-Mar-13 12:54:35

You can't eat as much cream as you want in a low carb diet.....it has a moderate amount of sugars within it....about 7g per 100mls.

I do like a bit of butter on my vegetables though....makes them very tasty.

MarshaBrady Sat 16-Mar-13 12:55:19

I think it's good for children to have carbs. Pasta, potatoes, bread etc - good to have in there. Ds1 is so slim and eats a fair bit, he needs it.

I don't need it. But I do eat rather indulgently considering my low carb ways.

JakeBullet Sat 16-Mar-13 13:01:40

I agree that children do need some carbs....I tend not to eat potatoes now but still do them for DS.

Glittertwins Sat 16-Mar-13 13:21:15

Same here, everyone else has pasta, potatoes and rice except me.

exoticfruits Sat 16-Mar-13 13:22:31

I would go with the proportions on the eatwell plate or you can equally google 'healthy food pyramid uk and get a similar result.
Keep off processed food as much as possible is the best bet.
A healthy child diet is not the same as a healthy adult diet to lose weight.

exoticfruits Sat 16-Mar-13 13:23:17

I can't see why you need to give up potatoes, rice etc.

exoticfruits Sat 16-Mar-13 13:24:33

Also it is very bad for children to see you eating a different diet-it gives a very skewed idea about food.

BlackAffronted Sat 16-Mar-13 13:24:47

My kids get some potatoes, though will use sweet potato for oven chips & rosti. No pasta and they have brown rice. Bread with the least white flour in it as possible. Lots of veg, moderate fruit. Lots of meat, fish & eggs. A treat or 2 atthe weekends (crisps or a cake etc). I think their diet is fine!

JakeBullet Sat 16-Mar-13 13:24:56

It's a weight loss things for me.....I will still have potatoes occasionally but for now am focusing on foods that don't provoke an insulin response.

BIWI Sat 16-Mar-13 13:25:13

.... because the body converts them to sugar, and they have the same effect on your body as sugar.

You can have small quantities of them if you like/don't need to lose weight, but we eat way too much of them in this country. It's not just about avoiding processed food.

JakeBullet Sat 16-Mar-13 13:26:42

exotic... There is a wealth of evidence out there to support this way of eating. Google Dr John Briffa...his blog is an eye opener. My DS eats the same diet I do but has the potatoes etc I don't....we eat the same meat and vegetables other than that though.

BlackAffronted Sat 16-Mar-13 13:27:13

I eat the complete opposite of the food pyramid! Lots & lots of fats, medium amounts of protein and no starchy carbs. Lots of veg. Ive lost more than a stone in a half in the last 9 weeks eating that way.

rubyrubyruby Sat 16-Mar-13 13:29:11

Also it is very bad for children to see you eating a different diet-it gives a very skewed idea about food.

I do agree with this exotics which is why I don't sit there with a chicken breast and salad. I eat the same but in smaller portions and with less carbs. They understand that they are more ative and still growing and I'm not! My DD has also learnt (because she began to put on weight) that she can't eat the same as her brothers as she has stopped growing upwards, so she eats less than them but more than me.

JakeBullet Sat 16-Mar-13 13:31:41

I don't agree with that.....food is food. My DS has different needs to me....even Briffa says there's nothingness wrong with potato in children's diets.....adults just need less of it and while losing weight perhaps none.

LynetteScavo Sat 16-Mar-13 13:31:55

The woman seems obsessed with food, and sharing with the world what she eats (or doesn't).

Not feeding your family processed carbs is one thing, but for a child to have "that specific hunger that comes with avoiding carbs." is just wrong. Infact, it shouldn't happening, as brown rice, sweet potatoes, etc are fulling, and have never left me with any hunger.

I do get a special kind of hunger when I don't eat chocolate though......grin

JakeBullet Sat 16-Mar-13 13:48:06

Thing is if she was doing it properly her children would not be hungry...the fact that they are tells me she is overdoing it and excluding too much.

LynetteScavo Sat 16-Mar-13 13:52:27

Actually, I never experienced real hunger until I was 18, and wasn't provided with 3 square meals a day by somebody else. And I certainly wasn't unhealthy or anywhere near over weight as a child.

exoticfruits Sat 16-Mar-13 13:57:51

I would prefer to go with NHS, British Heart Foundation, Diabetic society etc etc

I lost weight by keeping off processed food (didn't eat much anyway) having smaller portions and not snacking. It has now been off for 3 years and I don't have to measure anything and only step on the scales once in a blue moon to check I am the same-which I always am. If I am eating out socially I just compensate by having less the next day. I run regularly and never use the car if I can walk.
My DSs are all of slim build-they eat healthily because it is what they are used to. This is very heartening because they have all left home and are entirely responsible for themselves. They are all good cooks. They have a lot of exercise.

exoticfruits Sat 16-Mar-13 14:00:37

.even Briffa says there's nothingness wrong with potato in children's diets.....adults just need less of it and while losing weight perhaps none.

There is a lot wrong with it if you eat together and the DC can see that you are different. It is easy to have the same but take less.

JakeBullet Sat 16-Mar-13 14:20:10

Nope.....I simply say I am not that keen in it. No problems...DS likes it and has it but knows that Mum isn't keen just as he is not keen on gravy and doesn't have it. I really don't see it as an issue.

exoticfruits Sat 16-Mar-13 14:25:48

I can see it is OK with that approach but I wonder how many parents manage not to discuss it in front of DCs? I think it a huge mistake to label food as 'good' or 'bad'.

my DDs know that as I have PCOS my body deals with carbohydrates differently to them. So I need to eat slightly differently to them. All three eat sensibly and healthily (even DD1 at uni), despite not eating exactly the same meal as me at every meal.

SirEdmundFrillary Sat 16-Mar-13 16:55:11

The people I've known on a low carbdiet poor cream and stuff it. It makes me feel a bit sick, looking at them.

SirEdmundFrillary Sat 16-Mar-13 16:56:53

Exotic, agree re labelling.

SirEdmundFrillary Sat 16-Mar-13 16:58:05

Pour, obvs.

JakeBullet Sat 16-Mar-13 17:04:24

Cream IS allowed in small quantities. I like a drop in coffee but not much elsr.

I do have butter on veg thoigh....its delish.grin

SirEdmundFrillary Sat 16-Mar-13 17:23:23

Delightful.

Ruprekt Sat 16-Mar-13 17:33:03

Once you read the blurb on lowcarbing it all makes sense!

Opposite to weightwatchers though? smile

Once ds has eaten the last of the cheerios he will be eating a healthier breakfast to fill him up!

Much less sugar being consumed here. Not about pouring cream over everything either. I was as sceptical as some of you are as a long term weight watcher but my life has changed for the better since low carbing. gringringrin

JakeBullet Sat 16-Mar-13 17:34:14

Dinner tonight is a lamb chop with celeriac and broccoli. Lots of water to drink and I will feel full til morning. No cream wink but a bit of butter on the broccoli. ..not loads and loads.
Low and not no carb.

To be honest ny coffee with cream is a morning thing and I only have one.

DS by special request is having fish fingers and chips smile .

I enjoy this way of eating ...but dont impose it totally on DS. And he has had chocolate today.

I think its healthy to look at our diets now and then. I have PCOS and this way of eating helps.

Gwynnnie has got it all wrong if her kids are hungry thoigh.

snoworneahva Sat 16-Mar-13 17:34:25

Think it's also a bit weird how people feel sick around a food group - fat is good for your body - feeling sick at the thought of it just shows you how much damage the extreme low fat approach has had on us. Essentially fatty acid anyone? Omega 3s anyone?

SirEdmundFrillary Sat 16-Mar-13 18:03:09

grin quite, snow. Cream me up.

SirEdmundFrillary Sat 16-Mar-13 18:04:12

Although not really.

Ruprekt Sat 16-Mar-13 18:43:38

Dinner for me is venison steak with celeriac cheesy mash and swiss chard with butter.

Parmesan shortbread with wensleydale for dessert. smilesmilesmile

apatchylass Sat 16-Mar-13 18:49:57

Going back to Gwyneth and her 'specific hunger,' I wonder if she meant that the only hunger her children feel is genuine hunger, whereas those of us who aren't yet converted to low carb do often feel fake hunger in the form of craving for sugar or carbs.

Ruprekt - which low carb blurb do you recommend? This thread is quite persuasive. And I want your dinner

snoworneahva Sat 16-Mar-13 18:53:51

Dinner for me is rib eye, fried onions and mushrooms, chips baked in lard and homemade Irish griddle scones - tis Saturday after all! smile but I do watch the carbs most meals. And when I visit someone's house I eat what I'm given - most people don't want to cook for me though because I have very high standards when I'm cooking - I'm a bit of a perfectionist in the kitchen....but I'd gratefully eat whatever I'm given.

teaandthorazine Sat 16-Mar-13 18:56:23

apatchylass - that's how I read it too. The hunger I experience when low-carb is specific - ie it's specific to my body actually requiring food, not the 'hunger' I experience when eating high-carb which is just as often about boredom, stress, low blood sugar, (did I mention boredom?) as it is about wanting or needing food.

Ruprekt Sat 16-Mar-13 19:00:32

Apatchy.......go to low carb thread in Big/slim on Mumsnet.

Biwi and co are amazing. smilesmile

And I read Gwyneth's comment as being a specific hunger. Not needing a sugar kick like I used to have.

Now if I do feel hungry I have a drink of water or eat cucumber or slice ham or distract myself instead of gorging on cake.

Xenia Sat 16-Mar-13 21:09:11

Yes, I endorse all that (above).

Lots of people eat when not really hungry because they want some kind of sugar rush. If instead you eat properly then you are eating when properly hungry. Most British children drink and eat a load of junk day in day out.

Ruprekt Sat 16-Mar-13 21:55:03

I am cutting out the crap my kids eat and as I wean them off sugar they get used to it. Ds2 is more than happy with a plate of salad and ds1 loves raw broccoli!

We all avoid carbs now in our household. Starchy and sugary foods are occasional only really (e.g. a gorgeous homemade birthday cake, roast potatoes with Christmas dinner, the odd homemade pizza Friday).

DH and I started avoiding carbs because we got into the Crossfit/Paleo way of life. We both feel incredibly healthy now, more balanced, clear-headed, focused, happy.

In the midst of this we also discovered that lower carbohydrate diets (and in some cases ketogenic diets) are helpful in controlling epilepsy and supporting neural health. For our DS (2), who has terrible epilepsy and neurological disabilities we can visibly see the difference in him when he has or hasn't eaten starch/sugar, so for the most part the carby-est things he ever eats are the odd white potato or banana, and certainly not daily.

DD (4) eats, sleeps, plays and learns far better when she doesn't eat starch and sugar. So we are all benefitting.

A recent typical day's food in our house:

- buttery scrambled eggs with mushrooms, courgette and peppers, perhaps some chorizo
- leftover roast chicken salad with red cabbage slaw and mayo
- berries and yogurt
- winter beef stew made with celeriac and carrot, served with steamed savoy cabbage

Pretty healthy for all ages I'd say.

I like John Briffa and the Swedish dude whose name I can't remember, BIWI you'll know!

exoticfruits Sat 16-Mar-13 22:26:11

There do seem to be lots of fads and fashions in food and lots of people making a lot of money out of them!
Eat smaller portions and keep off processed food as much as possible and take plenty of exercise works fine but you don't make money out of it!

There are only so many ways you can say eat less- exercise more.

Surely the organisation making the most money out of dieting is the classic 'eat less-move more' model favoured by WW / slimming world, which keeps people coming back again and again.

Avoid anything post-agricultural doesn't really need books, groups or anything to explain any further. It's interesting to read the science behind it though.

Starfish Are you thinking of Andreas Eenfeldt?

Yes! That's the guy Travelin, I found this talk particularly interesting.

And Gary Taubes. He's another goody.

You're right in that understanding the science behind eating and nutrition has been a real eye opener. Now I know why I feel so much brighter and healthier eating this way and the other benefit is that I can't imagine ever needing/wanting to follow a 'diet plan' at any point in the future.

MrsSham Sat 16-Mar-13 22:56:40

Well she clearly looks better on a no car diet that I do on a card diet.

but as far as my dd (who plays sports every day) goes she craves and needs as part of her lifestyle.

MrsSham Sat 16-Mar-13 23:01:10

Mind you many on this thread are talking sugar, when I say carbs I mean, jacket potatoes, brown rice, pulses and whole meal pasta.

BIWI Sat 16-Mar-13 23:04:35

... and jacket potatoes, rice, pulses and pasta are all turned by the body into sugar.

Tortington Sat 16-Mar-13 23:04:51

i think this is more about the sugar in food - like others have said.

Low carbing is actually all about the sugars really when you have done some reading on it.

What i don't think anyone should do, is follow celebrity eating at all.

They are clearly all in a seperate rich bubble where most people adore them and money is no fucking object

actually, there are many families - many many many families - going to foodbanks - and i doubt the fact that they are eating sugar filled soup from a tin is bothering them one bit.

i mean if shes mad enough to bring out a book on it or something - then shes lost the plot, but AFAIAC this is purely celeb gossip and not ver like HQ at all

MrsSham Sat 16-Mar-13 23:09:08

Ah ok I see biwi these are natural sugars though so we don't mean sugary drinks, sweets and processed foods then?

BIWI Sat 16-Mar-13 23:13:06

It doesn't make any difference - the body treats all sugar in the same way.

BIWI Sat 16-Mar-13 23:14:58

All carbs = sugar as far as the body is concerned

MrsSham Sat 16-Mar-13 23:32:17

But surely if my kids are eating sugars as part of a varied diet Nd not eating sweets and drinks then the sugar they are eating is good, if they are active and burning them off. I have always seen these as fuel needed to grow learn and be active, is this not right then. My dd does sport every day and I always thought a diet containing these foods where necessary for active children.

BIWI Sat 16-Mar-13 23:48:45

Obviously children need energy. But they don't need masses of easily accessible/digestible carbs - none of us does. So keep white bread/pasta/rice consumption and sugar consumption generally to a minimum. Certainly don't base your diet around them.

Carbs for all of us should be coming mainly from vegetables and salad, with some fruit (but not too much).

We all need fat for energy - good fats like butter and olive oil. Don't be frightened of buying full fat foods.

And protein is really important for developing/growing bodies.

duchesse Sun 17-Mar-13 00:15:05

1) Eat food.
2) Not too much.
3) Mostly plants.

ChicHeroine Sun 17-Mar-13 02:09:36

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

nooka Sun 17-Mar-13 04:08:17

Personally I think that the best way to bring children up vis a vis food is to expose them to lots of variety and not subject them to diets. The majority of people I know who have problematic attitudes to food (over weight, faddy eaters, strange obsessions etc.) had dieting mums, and grew up dieting themselves. Most people I know who are fit and healthy and normal weight don't think about food nearly as much.

exoticfruits Sun 17-Mar-13 06:38:16

It is MrsSham - ignore it all. Nooka has the right attitude. You should be able to go to any restaurant or hotel and order a meal from the menu, if you have to have endless discussions about which meal you can actually eat, or you order by saying 'I will have x but can you do it without the y' then it is faddy eating.
Whoever is writing books at the moment and is 'flavour of the month' will probably be replaced by someone completely different in 5years time. Much better to eat everything in moderation which is what the very elderly people that I know( those who have lived to over 100) have done.
Google the healthy food plate.
No one is mentioning cost! A 6 foot university student cooking for the first time on a limited budget and has plenty of exercise is going to need to fill up on plates of pasta or lots of potatoes etc.
Food is a fuel - you should be able to cook family meals and have the whole family eat them (unless they have medical problems).

duchesse Sun 17-Mar-13 08:07:39

My 6ft university son goes off to the halal butcher round the corner from his digs and buys very cheap chicken. Even by his own admission it's probably not reared in the best welfare standards, but it is possible to eat well for not very much money if you know where to buy.

exoticfruits Sun 17-Mar-13 08:12:16

I think that they all find the cheap deals very quickly when they are spending their own money!

JakeBullet Sun 17-Mar-13 08:16:45

Ah but exotic ...eating out Is different....and I have exactly what I fancy if I eat out. Even though most of the time I am low carbing. Thing is there is now a lot of research backing up this way if eating BUT it's what you do most f the time which matters. I have no truck with stressing about a restaurant menu.....if I fancy fish and chips I will have them. I agree it's mad to be worrying about going out to eat.......that should be an enjoyable affair. I have heard some people say that they no longer like chips etc and ask for them to be left off but I personally haven't reached that stage.....not that I am likely to eat out in the near future.

I agree you have to be sensible and there are always "flavours if the month". I won't be bothering with Gwynnie's book but I will continue to experiment with lower carb foods and follow the Briffa book which is based on sound evidence. His blog is very good too.....and it doesn't mean excluding carbohydrates at all. Just reducing them for health reasons. I don't think it is any coincidence that over the past forty years we have had significant health issues with obesity and diabetes at the same time as we have pushed high carb and low fat diets. The body breaks down fat completely differently from carbohydrate. I consider I now eat as nature intended....most of the time.

Each to their own though....if people here can eat processed carbs or unprocessed carbs with no problems then that's great. I can't do that to the same level.....interestingly since I reduced the carbs in DS's diet he has stopped his evening binges (he is autistic) and that IS significant in this house. I am basing his evening meals around protein and lower carb vegetables and a small portion of pots or rice. He is more settled.

i eat low carb and low calorie and have lost a lot of weight and feel great for it and i found it has helped me loose that sweet tooth that has been with me for years .( i have their easter eggs in already and before i would ended up eating and replacing)

But my dc do not they eat a standard diet with all food groups and yes that includes sweets and chocolate and cake

exotic

only thing i can not/will not eat when out is Gluten and thats not me being fussy it is medically diagnosed

rest meh if i fancy it ill have as a treat

exoticfruits Sun 17-Mar-13 08:30:58

I have dieted all my adult life (I have never been terribly overweight-just a bit 'too well padded') and I tried everything going-you name it and I read it. I lost and gained again.
Three years ago I changed my attitude and decided to change my eating habits for life. After a while it becomes second nature, I no longer crave sweet things etc. My body is used to it-if I do eat too much of the wrong thing I immediately feel quite sluggish. I feel much healthier and full of energy. The joy of it is that I don't need to read anything- a lifetime of it has given me the basic principles-I just eat less-cut out the processed (as much as possible) and exercise more. I don't need to discuss it, or request special food.

exoticfruits Sun 17-Mar-13 08:33:24

But my dc do not they eat a standard diet with all food groups and yes that includes sweets and chocolate and cake

They need that to self discipline-if the parent has the strict control they don't learn to do it themselves. They learn to binge when they get the opportunity.

exoticfruits Sun 17-Mar-13 08:34:59

And having managed to give up all the books I am not about to start reading the latest fashionable one-he will only be there until someone new topples him!

snoworneahva Sun 17-Mar-13 08:50:30

I think this is quite typical of what most people in this country feed their kids....is it balanced - is this moderation?

Processed cereal with milk and juice
White ham sandwich, packet of crisps, chocolate bar and orange juice
Chocolate bar/sweet after school
Chicken nuggets, beans or peas or sweetcorn and smiley faces

JakeBullet Sun 17-Mar-13 09:02:45

He's been going quite a while exotic and I do t consider myself to be "on a diet" it's just that I am feeling well with this way of eating and am losing weight.....which I need to lose...that's all.

I have ditched diets quite frankly, they don't work and are based on an unhealthy way of eating. No my doet wasn't balanced before....you could argue it isn't balanced now but I feel very very well and for the first time ever I am not gaining weight and feeling exhausted.

You do what works for I do what works for me it doesn't make either way wrong or faddy or dangerous.

Anyway...am off this thread now..GP is very faddy and no doubt next year her kids will be fed differently.

MyHeadWasInTheSandNowNot Sun 17-Mar-13 09:19:47

'Low carb' is not 'no carb'. No adult needs to eat processed carbs - it is not a dietary requirement. Children don't need to either, but if they are burning off lots of energy then a little wont do them any real harm - but it's best if 90% of it comes from 'real' food - not white bread, white pasta & 'junk'. I agree that it's a bit joyless for kids if they can't have any junk (crisps, cake, sweets) but they certainly don't 'need' it and shouldn't be having the vast quantities that most children in the UK are having.

A few months ago I would have agreed with Exotic & others who say if you are at an ideal weight then simply cutting back on what you eat and exercising more is probably 'good enough' - but most people doing that do feel hungry a lot and deprived and certain foods are still not good for you, no matter what your weight.

I would suggest that everyone reads Dr John Briffa's book 'escape the diet trap' whether you need to lose weight or not - it's really eye opening & informative - what harm can it do to read it and then decide what you think? Most libraries have copies.

I now eat a low carb diet and that gives me about 30g of carb a day, mostly from veg. I'm a vegetarian <no eggs either> and I'm not eating my body weight in cheese or cream - so anyone who has the meat/cream/cheese original version of a 'no/low carb diet/Adkins' in mind when they read/hear 'low carb' couldn't be further from the reality if they tried grin.

I love that I'm not constantly hungry as I was when eating a carb heavy diet - I couldn't seem to feel satisfied no matter how much pasta or whatever I ate. Which is what I think GP was referring to - that you feel actually hungry around the time another meal is 'due', but you don't get that constant 'I need' feeling that most people get with a carb rich diet.

Now that I eat low carb, I don't 'crave' anything and my 'health indicators' are much better.

Xenia Sun 17-Mar-13 09:40:41

The point about carbs in junk food and in pasta etc is that they tend to be a fairly nutrient free product. You get very little goodness in them. They fill you up but not a lot else. Most British families eat masses of carbs and not much of other foods. Most British women eat far too little meat and are short of iron too. So moving to fewer carbs tends to be a good plan given how most of them eat, day in day out, biscuits, cakes at work in the afternoon, chocolate machines at stations. It is an all day long assault on people. Even all these supposedly healthy breakfast cereals tend to be loads of carb, no protein and a ton of sugar, even fruit juices - full of fructose.

I am not sure eating out is some kind of nirvana. One reason many people are as fat as a pig is because they eat out more and more and portion sizes are double what they need and they have no idea what is in the food, whereas if you cook it yourself you know.

exoticfruits Sun 17-Mar-13 09:49:17

I wouldn't call that a healthy, balanced diet snoworneahva.

wordfactory Sun 17-Mar-13 09:55:52

Do they really snow?

Most people I know cook properly at least once a day. If you look on MN on any meny planner thread, most of us are cooking most nights. Yes, there are carbs, but it's all home made delicious stuff.

pompompom Sun 17-Mar-13 09:59:24

snow - no, that's not what most people feed their kids at all! hmm Once a week, perhaps, but not as a rule, no.

DS will typically eat ready brek or porridge for breakfast (+fruit), something like peanut butter in brown bread, raisins and a yoghurt for lunch (chocolate/crisps are for the weekend) and will have potatoes and chicken, or spag bol or something along those lines for tea.

Bonsoir Sun 17-Mar-13 10:08:16

<pops in to thread from Bolognese and tomato sauce freezer cookathon>

I don't deny my DC eat breakfast cereals (Jordan's or Dorset's) and ham sandwiches. Some meals have to be quick and easy - I don't have a kitchen maid to rustle up fruit salad at 6.30 am or vegetable soup every lunch time. The point is to ensure that over the day their nutrition is balanced. Cutting down greatly on carbs in the evening can be a very good way of ensuring that people don't overheat carbs and also fitting on 5 a day.

MarshaBrady Sun 17-Mar-13 10:10:35

When you do switch to low carb it becomes quite something to find things to eat when not at home. Train stations full of sandwiches, biscuits, pastry; the office, cakes practically everyday. Hard to find a lunch place that has nice low carb stuff.

Home is different of course, a home made cottage pie or whatever is great food for children. But it's a bit of an eye opener when trying to find things to eat, especially when travelling. Usually hope for a sushi place.

MrsSham Sun 17-Mar-13 10:17:25

I would say no snow that's not what most people feed their kids, many yes but not most.

Its not balanced and its not moderation.

While I think your post snow is rather more extreme than the average diet (but perhaps not, who knows) having seen some of the lunchboxes at preschool I'm inclined to agree that many children are eating too much processed, nutrient-low, high-sugar/carb food.

Often the children will have a white bread based sandwich, with marg, the only bit of value being the filling - tuna, cheese etc if you're lucky, served with a sugary 'yogurt', a banana and a bag of crisps, all washed down with a fruit juice. i.e. 90% sugar once the body has digested it.

I will admit it's easy for me because DD is a fuss-free eater, but her lunchboxes look quite different. She often has a chicken drumstick or two, or some little slices of leftover roast meat, along with a pot of raw carrot and cucumber, something to dip in like a bit of hummus or greek yogurt, some berries and a couple of pieces of cheese. She doesn't drink juice so that saves money and teeth.

On the days when she hasn't had enough protein and fat and too many carbs, she is noticeably more tired in the afternoons and constantly asking for food.

When I say the children, I don't mean mine!

I have only recently changed my relationship with food and I firmly believe dieting mothers or 'banning' mothers contribute to children growing up with an unhealthy outlook on food. My brothers and I weren't allowed treat foods very often and went a bit mental at friends. In my 20's I just stumbled from one faddy diet to the next. I was only a size 8, but my mother told me I was big and I believed her. Anyway, I used to cut things out completely then three months down the line binge. Now, I have a better relationship with food, I am in control and don't overeat anything, but if I fancy something I will have it. It is about portion control. When in Italy and at my friends for dinner, he will give me a plate of antipasti (tiny bit of bread with it), then home-made ravioli (three pieces) in a courgette sauce, then we would have steak or lamb chop with spinach on the side and a few potatoes (what equates to one potato each, but cut and sautéed so small it feels like more). You should be able to enjoy food and not see it as the enemy. It ruins everyone's enjoyment if one person starts whinging when out for dinner (restaurant or at friends/family) about butter etc. I know I will get on with somebody who appreciates good food, example, like bonsoir, I know I would have a good time with someone who would have a glass of champagne and tarte citron!

exoticfruits Sun 17-Mar-13 11:05:39

Of course most lunch boxes are not very balanced or nutritious but you only have to see the fuss on here when they are policed by the school!
There is a huge fuss about drinking water-people say they don't like it which is a nonsense -if they were lost in the Outback without any they would give all they owned for a glass of water!
The other fact is that people will insist on seeing it through adult eyes. My DSs were not in the least interested in the content of their lunch box, other than it was quick and easy to eat so they could get out to play. There was no point in doing anything messy, it would come back unopened. At secondary school DS didn't bother eating it at all until he got home from school.
I also don't think that people realise that children may go off with your carefully packed lunch box but another child may be eating it for them!
I think it would be great if every child had to do what they did in my school days and have to have a school dinner or go home but can you imagine the reaction?!

exoticfruits Sun 17-Mar-13 11:06:59

Exactly LittleABear.

Ruprekt Sun 17-Mar-13 11:39:47

I struggle with packed lunches for boys as ds1 dislikes lots of protein.

Tomorrow he is having chicken satay, salad, yoghurt, fruit bar. Some sugar in this but it is really hard cutting sugar from their diet completely.

MrsSham Sun 17-Mar-13 11:40:52

Yeah very true exotic, at nursery dd had al sorts of fiddly finger foods rice cakes and dips etc. does she want that now at infant school, no she doesn't because its such a far. She wants to eat and run, half the time she's in so much of a rush she can't even be bothered to peel a satsuma let alone open a bag of crisps.

snoworneahva Sun 17-Mar-13 12:08:37

The day's menu I mentioned my be extreme to some but the breakfast is pretty typical from what people have mentioned to me. The lunch box is based on my observations at our "healthy school" and I know people on here talk about cooking a proper dinner but I think a large proportion people don't speak about the freezer tea they feed their kids at 5.00pm and then they cook proper food for the adults.

Maybe I am wrong - i might as quote anedotes as they seem to be accepted as fact in these discussions but I have heard people get very upset about the lunchbox police, people who feed their kids crisps and chocolate and many other processed treats everyday and think their kids have a healthy balanced diet. I think people don't realised how much processed crap and sugar they feed their kids. It's food after all and they are not fat, so what's the problem?

MrsSham Sun 17-Mar-13 12:43:40

The problem?
Increased rates of cancer
Heart disease
High cholesterol
Diabetes
Growing into fat adults with al sorts of health complications.
And much much more, as I would suspect these people are not exercising either.

exoticfruits Sun 17-Mar-13 13:05:28

Most people are not eating a healthy, balanced diet, snow.

I think that it I were starting again in a career I might well have one with something to do with nutrition. There is so much nonsense spouted; so much ignorance- and then the extremes from those living on chicken nuggets and chips and fizzy drinks to those who think that suitable food for a 2 yr old's birthday party is plain rice cakes, dried apricots and water!
When mine were little there were so many parents who would only give their children fruit juice and I kept thinking 'it can't be good for them' -and now the latest is that it isn't good for them.

Meanwhile are children are just as muddled and clueless.
I was shocked as a supply teacher to go in and do a science assessment with a yr 4 class. They had been learning about healthy eating and one of the activities seemed simple enough-they had an empty plate and had to draw a healthy meal on it. I have done this in the past with no problems, they could just draw a favourite meal-making sure it wasn't a cheese burger etc, and getting some vegetables in. Not one child drew anything remotely resembling a meal! Nearly all had a piece of broccoli on there (so one message had got in!) but then they had the most bizarre collection-the odd lump of cheese, a few rice cakes etc
I think that it is a sorry state that we have got children into when they can't draw a simple meal for fear of getting it 'wrong'.

Not sure it takes any longer to eat a chicken drumstick and a stick or two of carrot than it does a sandwich and a yogurt.

Xenia Sun 17-Mar-13 17:06:20

It's arguably quicker to eat protein than sandwiches, never mind slower.

MrsSham Sun 17-Mar-13 17:17:23

Depends on the food Xenia, surely. My dd would eat a wrap or pitta (she tends not to have sandwiches as she doesn't like bread) far quicker than a few different portions of proteins. She would find a drum stick far too messy for school and to fill her up I think she would need at least two which would take longer than eating a small wrap filled with meat and salad.

exoticfruits Sun 17-Mar-13 17:19:31

It is no good telling me , as an adult, what is quick to eat. My DSs did not eat yoghurt or anything messy- it came home. Fruit came home. They ate it once they were home. Since they had a balanced diet at home my objective was to give them something quick and filling to eat to keep them going.

exoticfruits Sun 17-Mar-13 17:20:59

There is no way that mine would have bothered with chicken drum sticks - they needed the chicken taken off and put in bread.

apatchylass Sun 17-Mar-13 18:26:12

I think Snow's description is pretty accurate. It's scarily close to what my DC eat each day and I think of them as healthy. They usually have wholemeal bread toast in the mornings, not white, but they often have cereal instead, and always have juice or a home made banana milkshake.

Their sandwiches are nearly always brown bread, but sometimes they get a white bagel or french bread instead. They usually have smoothies not juice cartons (more fibre) but theyb nearly always have crisps and a frube, then something sweet straight after school.

Evening meal is home cooked, except when it's fish fingers and chips with peas and sweetcorn. They've never been given a smiley face at home, but i guess oven chips aren't that much better.

So on a given day Snow's description could be exactly what my DC eat. But on another day, they might start with eggs or bacon or beans or porridge. Lunch might be a hearty home made soup in a flask with grated cheese to top it, and dinner could be cottage pie made with half potato, half celeriac.
Variety is important.

For every person who advocates low carb there is another who says it plays havoc with kidneys and heart. Balance and a sane attitude is what we need to pass on to our children.

duchesse Sun 17-Mar-13 18:37:28

ah but patchy, low carb doesn't necessarily mean high meat. I don't think many (any?) people here are advocating the kind of extreme diet that precludes vegetables and fruit. They mostly seem to be saying that you should avoid eating so much white food -my shorthand for the highly processed starches that seem to make up the bulk of most people's diets.

Take pasta for example- a pasta dish should not to my mind be made up of a huge plate of pasta topped with a spoonful of sauce. A lasagne is closer to what feels like a good balance to me- mostly sauce made of meat and tomatoes etc, with two layers of lasagne sheets.

Also as Xenia said, we don't need to eat anything like as much as we do (and I'm as guilty of this as the next person). When we see what people in many countries survive on in terms of portions, and looking pretty healthy, it's a surprise we are not all dying from over-feeding.

exoticfruits Sun 17-Mar-13 19:07:18

It is moderation in all things. My mother is late 80s, she is the youngest and her eldest sister got to 92yrs, her brother to 87 and her sister to 85yrs, my grandfather to over 100. They grew up on a farm. They had a balanced diet, they were all the right sort of weight , they didn't have to faff about worrying about having bread at lunchtime.
People are obese because they are addicted to processed food and they have no portion control.

snoworneahva Sun 17-Mar-13 19:36:22

You're right dauchesese one of my dcs loves pasta and she still gets it but the pasta is now wholemeal, there's less of it, more sauce & olive oil and some more green veg. And that's the compromise - she is happy and I'm happy. You can make a difference by just shifting the proportions. Lasagna I tend to top with creme fraiche as per Jamie Oliver - no one in this house is fond of a roux sauce, but served with a salad on the side, it's not too bad at all. I am intrigued by the suggestion that carbs make children on the autistic spectrum symptoms worse, I'm toying with things further to see what affect it has on ds.
I've always felt a poor diet is responsible for a lot of poor behaviour but it's only recently I've started to put carbs into the poor diet category.

ATouchOfStuffing Sun 17-Mar-13 19:43:25

If she decides not to give a balanced diet to her kids we could put her in the fruit shoots and pom bear category of parenting smile

snoworneahva Sun 17-Mar-13 19:44:53

No point in talking about old people reaching a grand old age because of being moderate. My grandmother died at 58 - no processed food, no smoking etc. my other grandmother died 20 years ago at 86, which was impressive then, she was a 30 a day woman.....my mother is 80, she smokes 30 a day, barely eats. My dad is 80 and drinks half a bottle of whiskey a day...he has diabetes but gets by ok - I wouldn't suggest it's ok to smoke 30 a day based on those stats. You eat your crap food, you smoke your fags and drink your booze, you cross the road with out looking, you take your chances...sometimes you win, sometimes you die prematurely, quoting one person's experience proves nothing.

exoticfruits Sun 17-Mar-13 19:59:42

I would agree generally but when you have 4siblings who all live to an old age on a similar balanced diet, who are not overweight and do not smoke, or drink more than moderately, have never had much in the way of processed food you can draw the conclusion that there is nothing wrong in following it. Particularly if none of you are overweight and most of you take plenty of exercise. Giving them a chicken sandwich, that they would eat, was much better than giving them the chicken drumstick I thought they ought to eat, but they wouldn't.

snoworneahva Sun 17-Mar-13 20:29:37

Dad's 11 siblings are all living to a ripe old age despite being fat. They grew up on a poor diet and were skinny for their first 40 years. I'm not sure I'd draw any conclusion from that other than good genes for ageing , which is an important factor.

Lots of vitriol for the poor old humble chicken drumstick, blimey.

Going back to the hunger point raised by Gwynnie, this is one of the reasons I prefer a lower carb way of eating, for all of us in our family. When we eat less starch/sugar we don't get the highs and lows caused by carb intake/insulin. Therefore everyone's in more agreeable, balanced moods for the whole day and gets hungry only at mealtimes.

A lot of people who have issues with portion control might find it easier to manage if they weren't having to fight the carb/insulin monster all day long.

exoticfruits Sun 17-Mar-13 20:33:20

A very important factor. DH and I have virtually the same diet. He has high cholesterol and I have very low cholesterol.

nooka Sun 17-Mar-13 21:38:49

I don't get all this fear of 'white' foods. The Mediterranean diet is generally held to be good, but Italians don't eat wholemeal pasta. Asian cooking is with ordinary not brown rice. The English diet has had bread and potatoes as a staple for many many years.

It's lifestyle that fundamentally matters. Eat good food in moderation, keep active, and don't stress about it so much seems like a better way to live to me than endlessly worrying about the latest piece of badly researched science.

exoticfruits Sun 17-Mar-13 22:12:08

I prefer to go with the example of my family than the latest research, which will no doubt be overturned in a few years. Any second hand book shop can chart you through the fads and fashions of the last few decades - meanwhile you are best to ignore it all- eat all in moderation, keep the portions size down and if you look on the packet and it has more than 5 ingredients put it back on the shelf. You can be sure that areas with healthy diets like the Mediterranean and Japan are following family tradition and not reading the latest book. Sensible post from nooka.

duchesse Sun 17-Mar-13 23:34:56

exotic, my grandmother lived to the age of 83. She died the youngest of all my grandparents. Unfortunately she could hardly move from arthritis and overweight for the last 10 years of life. Not much quality of life. If she could have been healthy in those last ten years I think she would have grabbed the chance. As it happens I think that my family (from her side) has a problem with carbs. My mother is a little on the porky side, and I am getting there, but we all lose masses of weight on a wheat free/low carb diet.

Great posts nooka and exotic

exoticfruits Mon 18-Mar-13 07:35:28

In that case duchesse you are sensible to use family examples. All I am saying is that I would rather follow my family than some doctor who happens to be flavour of the year, but is quite likely to be toppled by someone else next year.
My eating habits, weight and general health improved after I took all my books to the charity shop and refused to open another one! I now know what suits my body and what doesn't - I can feel it if I eat the wrong thing.
The liberation from it all was to just be able to eat normally without thinking and talking about it. I manage my diet without having to mention it to anyone because it is very simple, don't snack, smaller portions, keep off processed food as much as possible. It suits me, if people prefer food more often then they need to adapt to that.
It is the first time that anything has worked long term. I have kept the weight off so long that it is a way of life. There is no way that I am going back- I love being in clothes shops and trying on clothes size 12, or sometimes 10. ( however I am not fooled- I was slimmer than this when early 20s and could never get into size 10 trousers! Sizes have got bigger.)

BIWI Mon 18-Mar-13 08:54:36

That's definitely true, exotic. It's known within the trade as vanity sizing. Keeps customers coming back to your shop if they can get into 'smaller' sizes in your range.

I'm wearing size 8 jeans at the moment, and they are not as tight as when I first bought them - making me wonder if (when I finally lose this last pesky half stone) I might have to buy a size 6!

Even when I was 17/18 and really fit/slim I was wearing jeans that were size 10-12. You never used to see size 8 or 6 in mainstream shops, yet now it's nothing unusual to see them there.

exoticfruits Mon 18-Mar-13 10:09:44

Never in my life have a fitted size 10 trousers before and I have been much thinner. All my 'flavour' of the month diets worked-but once I relaxed I went back. Now that I have changed my eating habits I realise that I could get lower, cutting bread out would be the way to do it, but I am a perfectly reasonable weight for my height and have a weight that is easy to maintain.
I need carbohydrates if I am going out to run 6 miles or more.

duchesse Mon 18-Mar-13 10:12:32

definitely agree about size inflation. I used to be the same size my daughters are now (have passed some clothes down to them on occasion). I was a 10/12 back in 1990, they are most usually a 6/8. I am more of a 14 at the bottom now but would probably have been a 16 back then.

CoteDAzur Mon 18-Mar-13 10:20:26

Like exotic, I have lost heaps of weight 3 years ago and kept it off, through changing the way I eat and running.

Also like exotic, I eat the way my (Mediterranean) family has always eaten - vegetables slow-cooked with meat and a side serving of pasta, rice, bulgur etc or a slice of bread. I agree that it is all in the portion size, and some slow-burn carbohydrates with every meal are perfectly fine, especially when I plan to run that day.

BIWI Mon 18-Mar-13 10:39:11

I run now - am in week 6 of C25K - and have done all my long runs (3 and 4K so far) on a low carb lifestyle. And I run in a fasted state. No problems.

snoworneahva Mon 18-Mar-13 10:57:25

Distance runners need to be fat adapted anyway, you simply can't load enough carbs to provide energy for long distances. I often do 10k runs in a fasted state, it's easy when I've been low carbing but if I've had carbs the day before I can hit a wall of hunger if I go out running without food. Carbs make me need to eat before a run.

exoticfruits Mon 18-Mar-13 11:09:01

I think that you need to listen to your body-I can't do 10K in a fasted state so it would be silly to try. We are all different-it is like everything else-there is no 'right' way-there is only the 'right' way for you.
I haven't read anything about what you should eat when running-I merely know what works for me.

Xenia Mon 18-Mar-13 13:07:18

There are some rights, some objective thigns which are true for everyone. Just aout everyone including the 60 % of over weight people in the UK who eat huge amounts of junk food should not be eating a load of products which make up a large part of their diet. Very few people eat one chocolate from the box. Vast numbers of vast people eat vast amounts of junk food, chocolates, crisps , sweets fizzy drink, crisps, donuts etc etc

QuickLookBusy Mon 18-Mar-13 13:23:33

I agree Xenia.

And the vast majority of processed foods contain mostly carbs- therefore it makes sense to cut down on these foods if you need to lose weight.

giveitago Mon 18-Mar-13 13:24:52

"High carb diets have caused the health issues we have in this country."

But how so? Italy is a very high carb diet and although I see the kids as pretty overweight, not the adults?

Perhaps its the junk food we like to eat inbetween meals?

I'm now off all wheat based foods as it's screwed my digestion and hence my health but my ds does get pasta quite a few times per week. I think he needs the energy (but I also ensure he gets enough veg on the side).

duchesse Mon 18-Mar-13 13:41:10

Actually I'm not sure Italians eat all that much refined carbohydrate. For a start their pasta course is not a main course. They don't eat anywhere near as many potatoes as us, and although they have bread with meals, it's not the central part of the meal. They eat plenty of protein and vegetables, and don't snack between meals, which means that they are eating a far more balanced diet overall than the average Brit. Having said there are a quite a lot of overweight Italians as well!

cory Mon 18-Mar-13 13:52:52

Swedes have until recently been considered very healthy and are still far less obese than the British.

Yet nobody who knows anything about the culture could deny that their traditional diet is a high carb one: typically, large helpings of boiled spud, smaller ones of boiled meat or fish, and tiny portions of veg and berry preserves, all washed down with milk. Also, plenty of bread and home-made biscuits.

In recent years, obesity figures have crept up, but the main difference in the diet seems to be that people are eating fewer boiled spuds and