The Nasty party run a vile, nasty advertising campaign trying to divide the public

(75 Posts)
ttosca Sun 16-Dec-12 23:21:49

The Conservatives brand the unemployed as 'shirkers'

The Conservative Party has adopted an aggressive set of campaign advertisements targeted at 60 constituencies contrasting "hard working families" and "people who don't work". This divisive advertising represents once again their attempt to label the unemployed as lazy 'benefit scroungers'. It also demonstrates how little they understand unemployment and poverty. The notion that there are 'hard working families' and 'people who don't work' assumes these groups exist as separate social groups. One result of recession is that hard working families are affected. Company failures, factory closures and lay-offs don't just impact on 'scroungers'. This is why the results of austerity are so devastating. It is indiscriminate in its effect. It is also why austerity doesn't work. It drives families, hard working families into poverty.

Unemployment is a key driver of poverty. Two-thirds of working age adults in families where one or more of the adults are unemployed are poor. Unemployment, particularly long term unemployment, grinds away devastatingly on families creating poor housing, poor diet and ill-health. It leads to a cycle of debt and targets for loan sharks. It leads to homelessness, eviction, repossession. It destroys lives. It leads to a loss of dignity and well being. This is why it is unethical of the government to target those most affected by austerity, brand them as work-shy scroungers and attempt to turn those better off against them. Mr Cameron once said 'we are all in this together'. Now the unemployed and those receiving benefits have become the government's scapegoats for the failure of their economic policies.

In the aftermath of the riots of August 2011, the Prime Minister said "this is a country of good people". Now it seems he is saying this is a country of 'good' and 'bad' people; the haves are 'good'; the have nots are 'bad'; 'strivers' and 'shirkers'. It is a disgraceful turnaround and he knows this is not true. It is cynical politics at its worst.

songoflife1.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/the-conservatives-brand-unemployed-as.html

MrsChristmasVamos Sun 16-Dec-12 23:27:43

I would hope that the Great British Public will not be mislead by such utter bollocks.

I have faith that the majority of the public are well aware that the Nasty Parties views are not necessarily the correct ones.

I think they would perhaps do well to tread very carefully. Come 2015, most of them will join the ranks of the 'shirkers' too.

ttosca Sun 16-Dec-12 23:29:36

Seriously - these psychopaths need to be kicked out of office NOW.

KellyMarieTunstall Sun 16-Dec-12 23:36:10

Totally agree.

I hate the newest attempt to divide the general public

{... middle class families are currently being charged more for every day food in supermarkets to subsidise cheap alcohol deals for binge drinkers.
Mr Cameron said the minimum pricing plans would stop supermarkets selling “discount tins of high-strength lager” for between 25p and 30p each. He said: “What it is, is about people pre-loading on very, very cheap, heavily discounted drink from some supermarkets...”}

510 Sun 16-Dec-12 23:37:01

How are those delusions doing tonight? Have we found the big pot of imaginary m

MrsChristmasVamos Sun 16-Dec-12 23:37:23

That won't happen, sadly.

I often wonder what it's going to take for us all to stand up and say enough.

I think the best we can hope for is that come 2015 'we' will ensure that they are kicked out by the biggest majority ever seen.

510 Sun 16-Dec-12 23:38:59

How are those delusions doing tonight? Have we found the big pot of imaginary money that the Left can use to buy its way into power. Again. Leaving the country broke. Again.

ttosca Sun 16-Dec-12 23:57:40

How are those delusions doing tonight? Have we found the big pot of imaginary money that the Left can use to buy its way into power. Again. Leaving the country broke. Again.

You're right. We can't afford to keep paying for economic crises and recessions caused by psychopathic greedy / gambling / money laundering / drug dealing bankers.

We have to act now so it never happens again. This means prosecuting the bankers who got us in to this mess - including the 'Too big to Jail' bankers HSBC:

www.huffingtonpost.com/brad-miller/too-big-to-jail-we-should_b_2311444.html

ttosca Sun 16-Dec-12 23:58:34

^
I often wonder what it's going to take for us all to stand up and say enough. ^

I don't know, but I'm angry - really fucking angry, and I know a lot of other people are too.

I wouldn't be surprised if their are riots in 2013.

MrsChristmasVamos Mon 17-Dec-12 00:03:03

See, I don't see it. I know people are angry, I'm one of them, but I think people are fighting so hard to keep their heads above water, that 'doing something' becomes a kind of dream.

I feel like 'we' know we are powerless to kick them out, so bide our time till the next GE.

It always amazes and baffles me that people can perform at their jobs so badly, when at 'shirker' level you would have been kicked into touch long before now.

Meglet Mon 17-Dec-12 00:16:17

That ad did make me laugh. I work, but I look and feel a lot more like the bloke slumped on his sofa.

mrschristmasvamos I agree, I have managed to write some letters and try and kick up a stink but the Condems are doing too many nasty things, too quickly to be able to fight them. I'm trying to deal with my day to day stuff, I don't have much time and energy left over to compose ruthless letters.

LaVolcan Mon 17-Dec-12 00:32:37

Sigh - just the sort of stuff my MIL would love.

domesticgodless Mon 17-Dec-12 00:36:20

ttosca I reckon the riots and social unrest are coming in April 2013 when the benefit cap/ bedroom tax shit hits the fan and thousands of people end up having to leave their overpriced homes and tramp across the country trying to find suitable affordable accommodation that doesn't exist (probably being sanctioned as they go for missing their workfare appointments).

A lot of the ConDems' early victims (the sick and disabled) may quietly fade away and indeed die. But the coalition are getting nastier and more arrogant as they go along, and that will eventually be their undoing, as it was Thatcher's in the end. They despise most of the population of Britain, since they are not rich enough to be important. It really is as simple as that.

I actually also think that they are stupid, complacent and incompetent enough to believe that destabilising the lowest socioeconomic echelons of a society will not cause a massive rise in mental and physical illness, slum housing, crime and juvenile crime (including rioting no doubt), care admissions for children, and general social misery which will start to affect more and more of the 'middle' class as income is eroded by unemployment, inflation and artificially high house prices. And all this as the budgets for health, mental health and social work are cut to the bone. A disaster, and not just for the poor.

Around 2015/16 I am predicting that we will start to see the first tent cities full of homeless ex professionals living alongside those kicked off their benefits. These are already common in America.

MrsChristmasVamos Mon 17-Dec-12 00:38:13

It's a shame, Meglet because I really think if the GBP did make their feelings known, most of them would scuttle off with their tails between their legs, never to be seen again. Easy to do when you live off Mummy and Daddy's money. wink

I do keep thinking that something's got to give, but I really do think that it's so hard for so many right now, like you say, they are doing too much, too quickly.

Heroine Mon 17-Dec-12 00:41:18

I wonder who costs the country more, unemployed on JSA, circa £5k a year, or 'hard working families' on government subsidised wages (working tax credits) - average claim circa £10k a year...hmm

LaVolcan Mon 17-Dec-12 00:45:37

and that will eventually be their undoing, as it was Thatcher's in the end.
I sincerely hope so, and the sooner the better.

and general social misery which will start to affect more and more of the 'middle' class as income is eroded by unemployment, inflation and artificially high house prices.

It's that which will lose them the votes, so they might begin to listen then.

domesticgodless Mon 17-Dec-12 00:46:24

Not to worry Heroine, the ConDems will make sure no one gets anything in the end and the hardworking families can all work harder for less money. Like they do in the competitive economies like China, which Gideon smacks his lips over. That's what 'striving' means: slaving.

domesticgodless Mon 17-Dec-12 00:47:23

indeed LaVolcan. I think they are too stupid to notice quite how many people are being affected by their policies and how the misery is going to spread upwards. They are arrogant enough to believe that if people just tried being richer it would all work out for them fine.

Heroine Mon 17-Dec-12 00:47:27

What's weird is that I have experienced so many lazy ineffectual pointless people in the workplace that are keeping the unemployed out of a job that I no longer believe that people in work are any more hardworking than someone doing virtually nothing at home.

Trouble is that all this type of advertising does is increase crime overall and cause downward economic spirals in areas of some unemployment or poverty.

I remember the incredibly angry 80s where 'posh' kids were hated, where the working class kids were so angry as to create a nightlife culture that was 'shag or fight, preferably fight' and we had a resurgence of really nasty social movements. Looks like the conservatives want a similar social environment. IN some ways I can see why - if the population is blaming each other, perhaps they won't remember to watch the government.

Lets hope the internet will prevent this manipulation of the 'ignorant'

Narked Mon 17-Dec-12 00:49:11

You know what costs the country the most? Corporate tax avoidance. An ocean of cash compared to the drop that is benefit fraud. Much easier to convince those feeling the pinch that it's the fault of the poor and the poor that it's the fault of immigrants than to restructure tax legislation.

Heroine Mon 17-Dec-12 00:51:21

Also if the 'subsidise cheap alcohol' was explained sensibly it would be:

'the price conscious parts of the market are paying market prices, but the majority of the profit comes from the higher margin products bought by the less price aware and those more happy to pay extra for intangible or soley psychological benefits like a nice label on a bottle of wine or a waitrose bag"

More fool them!

garlicbaubles Mon 17-Dec-12 00:53:00

That link didn't show me the advertisement. Here it is on the Guardian.

Hardworking families vs People who won't work? WTF? Not "can't" or even "don't" work - the only acknowledged alternative is "won't". It's a straw man angry

Narked Mon 17-Dec-12 00:53:02

'They are arrogant enough to believe that if people just tried being richer it would all work out for them fine.'

I disagree. I think they're traditionalists. They'd like a return to the workhouse. They've already started to divide people into the 'deserving' and 'undeserving' poor.

Heroine Mon 17-Dec-12 00:57:44

'giving support to hard-working families' is actually government subsidised wages for poor employers - i.e a filter to allow business generated money to go to shareholders if government picks up some of the cost. CON-dem is getting less a cynical label and more an accurate term for how stupid they think we all are.

Shameful

domesticgodless Mon 17-Dec-12 01:01:29

you may be right Narked. I have heard both types of views from them. I think that for example Cameron is the 'hear no evil' type who would like to imagine that if poor people just tried harder like the dear Chinese there would be no more poverty (not that he actually cares at all).. but IDS is definitely the workhousing type.

Heroine Mon 17-Dec-12 01:02:39

Also its a bit 'who should we be helping?

The people who don't need it, or the people who do?

i.e. those who haven't yet started a family because they can't afford to, who are sitting at home no matter what their skills are because the economy has shut them out, and who are literally just getting through the day in any way that stops their money running out, getting depressed and watching their skills fade as they do so and who are so fatigued and exhausted from society's contempt that they are slipping into psychosis'.

I vote the latter - its a better use of income than giving extra clothes or holiday money to a well-set-up crew who have large expenditure solely because they like ready meals and trips to macdonalds.

domesticgodless Mon 17-Dec-12 01:04:51

you're right though that Cameron too has played the hard-working family card with disgusting regularity.

I think the one thing we can all agree on is that they are vile and destructive beyond belief. Britain has become a dystopian place. I didn't see any rough sleepers amid the pound shops, loan shops and pawnshops on my local high street today but I suspect they all get aggressively moved on. This is why I think we are going to get suburban tent cities springing up.

Narked Mon 17-Dec-12 01:42:47

Some people don't want to work, they're happy to live on handouts. They have lots of children they can't afford because they know the state will support them. There's no incentive for people to marry and stay together. Many people don't work because they get more in benefits than they would working.

^ That sound familiar? It's the findings of a Royal Commission that led to the 1834 Poor Law Amendment Act that set up workhouses.

LaVolcan Mon 17-Dec-12 01:53:29

Much easier to convince those feeling the pinch that it's the fault of the poor and the poor that it's the fault of immigrants than to restructure tax legislation.

For a lot of people like my mother in law, that's what they understand. To be fair they may be hard working but badly paid, but read the Daily Mail which lead them to go on and on about immigrants and people who won't work whilst hardly knowing anyone in those categories. But CEOs of multinationals aren't the sort of people that they ever meet and the complexities of Corporation Tax avoidance are beyond them. The DM isn't going to offer any enlightenment here either.

LaVolcan Mon 17-Dec-12 01:55:26

Narked - you depress me sad - the workhouses lasted for almost 100 years. Perish the thought that we would be stuck with the current situation for that long.

Narked Mon 17-Dec-12 02:10:32

Sorry, but I've just seen an even more depressing article in the Guardian. The £500 benefits cap they're bringing in will hit parents caring for adult children. Even though this might result in those adults with SN needing residential care which would cost thousand and thousands a year more than it costs to support their parents in caring for them ATM. They know that the parents will do anything they can to avoid putting their DC into care so it will save them money.

Whilst at the same time ...

Narked Mon 17-Dec-12 02:24:59

One of the many reasons MN rocks is that it gives a much broader picture of life than most of us get in our own circle of family and friends. It works as a slayer of lazy assumptions and means that for every goading Daily Mail article about 'scroungers' having 3 holidays a year there's a MNer you remember posting about having no money to heat their home and damp on the walls. And you can't ignore them or regard them as 'other' because they know about Dragon Butter (don't google it) and you were laughing with them the other day about Things Your DC Have Said To Embarrass You In Public.

Demonising certain groups only works if you are isolated from each other.

LaVolcan Mon 17-Dec-12 02:38:36

Demonising certain groups only works if you are isolated from each other.

One thing which has changed significantly since the Thatcher years when heavy industry was destroyed, is the growth of social media, which means we are less isolated. Let's hope that can be used positively.

ThinkAboutItOnBoxingDay Mon 17-Dec-12 09:44:48

Is it me or is the use of the union flag a bit subliminal as well? Or at least, not subliminal as it is overt, but i feel as though it is intended to signify more than just 'uk government'? Or am i paranoid?

garlicbaubles Mon 17-Dec-12 14:13:39

Not paranoid, no. It will be deliberate.

ttosca Mon 17-Dec-12 14:25:13

Narked-

Some people don't want to work, they're happy to live on handouts. They have lots of children they can't afford because they know the state will support them. There's no incentive for people to marry and stay together. Many people don't work because they get more in benefits than they would working.

That sound familiar? It's the findings of a Royal Commission that led to the 1834 Poor Law Amendment Act that set up workhouses.

Is that a quote? Do you have a source?

perceptionInaPearTree Mon 17-Dec-12 14:36:21

Their brand of politics is disgusting, but unfortunately there are a lot of people who are easily brainwashed and believe everything they read. Let's hope that by 2015 people still have the common sense not to give the Tories a majority.

LaVolcan Mon 17-Dec-12 14:50:42

The Tories didn't get a majority this time either.

It presents a problem: vote tactically which locally meant LibDem to keep the Tories out, and get a Tory government? (Although as it happened in my constituency the sitting LibDem MP got kicked out and replaced by a Tory.)

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter Mon 17-Dec-12 14:53:08

"I disagree. I think they're traditionalists. They'd like a return to the workhouse. They've already started to divide people into the 'deserving' and 'undeserving' poor. "

Quite ... many of the arguments they are using now are the same as those trotted out in the 19th century as a reason to replace the Poor Laws with workhouses.

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter Mon 17-Dec-12 14:56:48

Sorry Narked I see you've already made that point <<blush>> It's true though, they aren't doing anything new, simply trying to turn the clock back to a time when only lazy, immoral, undeserving people were poor.

NanaNina Mon 17-Dec-12 16:09:36

It's gratifying to see so many MNs who feel as I do. The thing that is so frutstrating is that we seem impotent to do anything about it. I have to mute the TV when Osoborne is on and cover my face, they are just a pile of shite - Gove now wants every child to have a "military" style of education whatever that means. They do know exactly what they are doing - they simply DON'T CARE. I feel quite anxious about the future, not particularly for myself and partner as we were lucky enough to retire on public sector pensions.

Howeve I worry for our kids, your kids, and everybody who is caught up in this evil trap. The govt is "pulling the rug" from people every whichway - not just with the HB caps that are coming in in April next year, meaning many people won't be able to afford their home anymore. The LHAs ar alredy buyin up cheap property in the North and the South coast, and the social cleansing of London is going on right now and has been for some months. There were tales of people living in huge houses in central London and getting £1000 plus in HB. It turned out there were just 5 families in this category and they will now be in some run down flat or house in a town where there is no employment and they are miles from family and friends.

There is also this WCT which is a complete charade. There was a programme on TV recently where a GP (who was a Labour councillor) put himself forward to assess people on the WCT and he was attending a "training session" with a secret camera. The female leader from ATOS started by saying the test was evil, and that they must just follow the questions and award marks or not. Everytime the GP intervened with a medical question, she just shut him up and said "you have to follow the questionnaire and nothing else.

Worse was to come - apparently 40% of people are successful in their appeal and their IB should be restored. However a few weeks later these people were called in again by the DWP to be re-assessed and guess what - YEP you've got it, they were found "fit for work" and Grayling came on saying that maybe there should be a longer time before people were called back in, but "we can't leave these people stranded in their own homes with no hope of work." The bloody hypocrisy.............!!

We have no history of revolution in this country and in countries where that happens it usually ends up in a dictatorship of some kind. I just hope to god Ed Milliband can get a bit more "fire in his belly"- he's too nice and of course inexperienced, and it has to be said that the Labour party is not really a socilaist party any more. A lot of the privatisation was started by Labour. The lib dems make me sick, they are enjoying some power and are fordsaking all their principles. Milliband seems that he is only fighting the tories on the issue of the 1% rise in benefits over the next 3 years.....when there is SO much that needs fighting against.

Revolution anyone???

2old2beamum Mon 17-Dec-12 17:24:15

NanaNina count me in

Bloody bastards angry very

JakeBullet Mon 17-Dec-12 17:33:35

These ads are hideous. I am currently a Carer after 30 years of full employment and yet I feel embarrassed when I have to say I am in benefits because I feel judged sad .

I am on regular medication and have a NHS exemption card as I dont have an income....I feel embarrassed as I hand it over.

these ads are lazy and ppushing to a stereotype ....I fear for the future.

Darkesteyes Mon 17-Dec-12 17:44:21

These ads are fucking shameful. Disgusting.
And the frightning thing is that some people DO believe them.
I am a carer too and i have a neighbour who makes snide comments every time i see her, usually in the supermarket.
Snide comments of hers i can remember. "IM working with the emphasis on the IM.
"Well in my case i have a job"
And the latest one. "Spending all your money then?" which was the latest one shouted across Tesco.
If im ever unlucky enough to be burgled i will be informing the police that she is a suspect because she seems to think that i have a lot more than i do.

LaVolcan Mon 17-Dec-12 18:09:15

I can absolutely go along with that Darkesteyes - a disabled friend says that she regularly gets called a scrounger when people see her hobbling around. What they don't know is that she holds down a well-paid professional job and doesn't take a penny in benefits.

NanaNina Mon 17-Dec-12 18:27:14

Hi DE I would confront your neighbour about her bloody awful comments - why should she get away with it..........grrrr......grrrr and grrr again! Something like "I'm wondering why you seem to think I am not working, when I am actually as I'm a carer, so would be nice if you stopped making your comments" (that's the polite version) the other one is "Shut the fuck up!"

Cozy9 Mon 17-Dec-12 21:55:13

What do all of you expect Labour to do differently if they get in in 2015?

Darkesteyes Mon 17-Dec-12 22:45:50

Absolutely FUCK ALL. The Labour Party died when John Smith did.
But the Tories are still worse.

NanaNina Mon 17-Dec-12 23:06:38

I agree DE the Labour Party did die when John Smith died in 1994. Blair's new Labour was a big let down, ( we really did believe it was the beginning of a new dawn) ok he did some good things like "SureStart" but there was the Iraq war and the start of privatisation though it was slipped in quietly and I don't think a lot of us noticed. Brown was a travesty for top job. He is an academic and not a "front man" at all although he was beset with problems right from the beginning. He became very unpopular and I think he should have been replaced before the General Election.

So what do we expect if Labour win the next election...........I am realistic enough to know that capitalism will continue, this is the system in which we live, but maybe with Labour it will be "better managed" capitalism and they wil not be so ruthless with waging war on the poor. It has to be remembered that Ed Milliband (whose parents were Marxists) is a millionaire and no more in touch with ordinary people than Cameron and Osborne et al. EM made a lot of his comprehensive education, but the school was in a very upmarket area of London, and then of course he went to Oxford, although of course that is a dman sight better than Eton and the Bullingdon Club.

I would hope that the Labour party would have more compassion for the most disadvantaged people in our society, although he has been incredibly quiet thus far, about the privatisation agenda forging ever onwards, the selling off of the NHS, and many public services. He has only just seemed tohave found his feet and managed to stand up to Cameron at question time. Ed Balls too, I thought he would make mincemeat of Osborne, but he has been deathly quiet too, and then of course he made that gaff about the deficit, rising or falling and of course the tories loved that.

A Labour govt would be the better of 2 evils.

Cozy9 Mon 17-Dec-12 23:10:47

People are just going to moan whoever is in power.

NanaNina Mon 17-Dec-12 23:18:13

Are you suggesting that the problem is people "moaning" rather than having an opinion about the particular orientation of the govt in power and what will inform their policies, and effect the lives of us all. I'm not sure what your point is really.

Cozy9 Mon 17-Dec-12 23:24:30

My point is that I can see the reasoning of people who don't care about politics. It's just one side in power and the other side moaning for 5 years. Then either reverse or go on for another 5 years. It just seems so pointless.

ttosca Mon 17-Dec-12 23:25:50

Good! Then don't vote for them the next election!

LittleTyga Mon 17-Dec-12 23:39:20

After all, didn't he, himself, utilise Disability Living Allowance for his own child? And yet both he and his wife Samantha, independently wealthy, would not need it in the same way as the millions who do. Pity it wasn't means-tested.

Cameron claimed DLA!!!

Unbelievable

JakeBullet Tue 18-Dec-12 07:09:34

Yes they claimed DLA which they were entitled to do.

Ooh...did I just say "entitled"?

What pisses me off is that they are seeking to deny this benefit to others. I have no issue with their claiming a benefit they were entitled to have.... despite their wealth meaning they could have managed without it .

LaVolcan Tue 18-Dec-12 08:50:02

...and perhaps if they had any sort of conscience they would have said - we won't claim because we don't need it. But conscience seems a bit thin on the ground these days in the political class.

NanaNina Tue 18-Dec-12 13:19:30

I've heard the lot now............beyond awful!

garlicbaubles Tue 18-Dec-12 14:12:30

Cameron has said that, since his father was disabled and managed to be a successful stockbroker, he reckons all disabled people should be fine. He seems to have forgotten that his father was already well-off: the family has a long history in finance and much inherited real estate.

He also broke his promise never to use Ivan's disability as a political point.

"Compassionate Conservative" hypocrisy, Huff Post

Family of David Cameron, Wikipedia

Cameron's family fortune in offshore tax dodging funds, Daily Mail

LittleTyga Tue 18-Dec-12 22:54:58

This country has become so complacent - we should have done what the Icelanders did - Jail the bankers, boot out the politicians and bail out the people!

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 18-Dec-12 23:05:09

I wonder who costs the country more, unemployed on JSA, circa £5k a year, or 'hard working families' on government subsidised wages (working tax credits) - average claim circa £10k a year...

Well both get stiffed big style by the uc starting next year and both will get treated like scroungers

chickensarmpit Tue 18-Dec-12 23:08:55

My brother came out of the army last year and since then he has been looking for work. He's in that job centre 3-4 times a week. He's always firing off his cv's and will do anything.
The job centre actually stopped his jsa because he had to go into hospital because his had internal bleeding. He was in for over a month.
Now he has to reapply which takes ages to come through and he's not entitled to any disability.
This country is going to the dogs.

LittleTyga Tue 18-Dec-12 23:26:57

Oh chickens I hope your brother is fit and well now? Its shameful how ex- servicemen are treated when they leave. Could he go to college and learn a trade? become self employed as an electrician or web designer, fitness trainer, did he have a trade in the army?

Its going to be chaos and devastating for many families when UC comes in sad

SpringHeeledJack Tue 18-Dec-12 23:41:13

I do hope you've all completed their fascinating questionnaire about what to do with regard to benefits

I had a lovely time doing it

mine were-

bring back rent controls to take ££££££s off the Housing Benefit bill

ensure employers pay a proper living wage so that the taxpayer doesn't have to sub them for tax credits

the govt to assume responsibility for unemployment and stop blaming the victims

ensure the wealthy pay their taxes

I had loads more but they only give you 300 characters, the tight sods

I am eagerly waiting for their response. They're probs going to make me a special advisor, or something

<sits back>

<rubs hands>

LittleTyga Tue 18-Dec-12 23:45:56

Which survey?

chickensarmpit Tue 18-Dec-12 23:52:04

My brother is great thanks Little tyga. He has started doing night classes because apparently if he went to collage fulltime he wouldn't be entitle to any benefits? weird if you ask me.
He's still at the job centre everyday though the poor sod.

LittleTyga Tue 18-Dec-12 23:58:45

Really? Has he checked the website? dwp.gov.uk I usually arm myself with what is said on there than listen to job centre staff. They are usually mis-informed ime!

SpringHeeledJack Wed 19-Dec-12 00:02:55

it's part of the campaign, I think, Tyga

someone linked to it on Twitter yesterday

will try and find it tomorrow

Dromedary Wed 19-Dec-12 00:04:51

The ads are a bit strange - the "hardworking family" seem to be in paradise already, so don't need help, and the man at home on sofa looks pretty depressed...
The conservatives are doing this because it has worked for them so far - a lot of people are in favour of the bashing of people on benefits. Apparently the Labour party was thought to be hesitant about speaking out against the 1% annual rise in benefits limit, as a reduction in real term benefits is very popular at the moment.

ttosca Wed 19-Dec-12 00:05:13
LittleTyga Wed 19-Dec-12 00:13:50

Thank you ttosca - Ooh this should be fun and challenging - how to say it all in 300 words smile

LittleTyga Wed 19-Dec-12 00:14:31

OMG 300 characters shock

LittleTyga Wed 19-Dec-12 00:15:55

I feel dirty and grubby sad It's their website - ugh!

LittleTyga Wed 19-Dec-12 00:24:52

Those questions were vile sad Bastards!

IneedAsockamnesty Wed 19-Dec-12 00:32:47

Wow those two questions have to be the most stupidly slanted ones I have ever seen.

It's like asking people if it should be legal for people to shoot your children.

Ofourse your going to say no.

Dromedary Wed 19-Dec-12 10:25:22

I've tried to submit my answers, but without success - maybe if you give answers they don't want, their system simply refuses to accept your submission, thus ensuring that they can say that 100% of people agreed with them? This is what I tried to submit:

"Ridiculous questions, as taken out of context - an insult to be asked such biased and misleading questions. I therefore have no choice but to answer them in the affirmative.

Increase benefits in line with inflation - benefits cover the basics of life only, so it is essential to increase them in line with inflation.

Pay more to those who need more - for instance those with more children or with special needs. Average family earnings are irrelevant - benefits should be needs based, that is the whole point of them."

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