Exposure, newsnight ect Part 3

(604 Posts)
AnyaKnowIt Thu 06-Dec-12 12:57:29

Other thread getting full

noddyholder Thu 06-Dec-12 12:59:33

It is MC

AnyaKnowIt Thu 06-Dec-12 13:01:37

According to Guildo it is

NigellasGuest Thu 06-Dec-12 13:02:46

I think it's still speculation on Twitter at this point....
which may or may not prove to be true!

AnyaKnowIt Thu 06-Dec-12 13:06:31
NigellasGuest Thu 06-Dec-12 13:09:00

oops I take that back, then!
and feel vindicated regarding my stance on Children in Need

AnyaKnowIt Thu 06-Dec-12 13:14:39

I'm shocked that its for Sexual offences.

I thought it would have been for withholding information

noddyholder Thu 06-Dec-12 13:18:14

It has always been said that its what he keeps out of the papers that has made him rich and his tittle tattle re wags etc is a cover for the real scandals. He used to come in to a restaurant where I worked and was an absolute tosser

noddyholder Thu 06-Dec-12 13:19:06

He must know so much how can he ever be prosecuted.

bunchamunchycrunchycarrots Thu 06-Dec-12 13:24:14

shock Just watching sky news and he's been named as the person arrested on suspicion of sexual offences. I did not see that coming at all.

bunchamunchycrunchycarrots Thu 06-Dec-12 13:26:00

He must know so much how can he ever be prosecuted.

My mind is boggling at just how much he could spill to the police about the people he's kept out of the limelight over the years.

Meglet Thu 06-Dec-12 14:04:09

Watching with interest. Everything I think to type is twitter related so I don't want to get deleted!

MrsjREwing Thu 06-Dec-12 14:10:29

All those celebs that contacted him will be cacking themselves. I wonder if those on long trips abroad in countries with no extradition policy are home yet?

NigellasGuest Thu 06-Dec-12 14:41:32

just imagine though - MC probably has so much info on so many people, including high up people in the establishment and the Police.
The police might find this and let him off / cover stuff up. Unscrupulous police, I mean. I know there are honourable ones too. But there are some bad 'uns!

MrsjREwing Thu 06-Dec-12 14:48:27

Imagine Sinita and Amanda will be cacking it too as Cowell was a client of Max and put up half of Kings bail.

boschy Thu 06-Dec-12 14:49:13

I hope MC sings like a canary, and brings them all down along with himself, the smarmy git.

noddyholder Thu 06-Dec-12 14:53:44

Cowell will be crapping it

KrisMoose Thu 06-Dec-12 15:06:51

Cowell should be. Slimy twat.

bunchamunchycrunchycarrots Thu 06-Dec-12 15:11:49

Posted this on the other thread 'Sky news helicopter currently showing 'activity' at Clifford's home suggesting they are searching his property. I suspect that might well be a huge part of why this action has been taken by the police, on top of whatever allegations have been made about 'sexual offences'. Can you imagine what Clifford has in his filing cabinets, especially under 'recent enquiries'... '

The mind boggles...

noddyholder Thu 06-Dec-12 15:52:25

Kris moose I really hope this wipes the smile off his slimy face too

oh the irony - he was there pretending to be concerned for his poor 'iddle clients who didn't ask for birth certificates and it seems it was his closet he needed to worry about.

KrisMoose Thu 06-Dec-12 16:58:32

On the Beeb they made a reference that Operation Yewtree is not exclusively investigating underage sexual assaults. In the same breath, they said he'd been arrested. So I guess they're hinting they have some kind of dirt on him and will use it as leverage to get him to talk (plea bargain).

Just my twopenneth.

Though if he has any morality, he should tell everything he knows and pigs may fly

noddyholder Thu 06-Dec-12 17:04:01

They have taken away bags of stuff from his house.

MrsjREwing Thu 06-Dec-12 17:18:21

Have you seen the chat thread with a posters personal dealings with Max? sad

hf128219 Thu 06-Dec-12 17:24:51

All just the tip of a very large iceberg.

nameswinger1 Thu 06-Dec-12 18:05:13

*just imagine though - MC probably has so much info on so many people, including high up people in the establishment and the Police.
The police might find this and let him off / cover stuff up. Unscrupulous police, I mean. I know there are honourable ones too. But there are some bad 'uns*

This is my worry too Nigellasguest and I'm wondering what he'll know that a masonry high ranking officer doesn't.
I so hope this isn't for show and the good 'uns' really are going to be the saviours. My faith in humanity seriously needs restoring.

OhBuggerandArse Thu 06-Dec-12 18:41:38

A Chat thread on here, MrsJR?

noddyholder Thu 06-Dec-12 18:57:09

I bet christine and neil hamilton are loving this? What was it he said about them? 'No smoke without fire' and 'all publicity good publicity' Hope he is eating his words

MrsjREwing Thu 06-Dec-12 18:57:41


nameswinger1 Thu 06-Dec-12 19:18:22

Yes Christine has tweeted gleefully regarding MC's previous comments about her and 'hubs'. You really can't blame her.

MrsjREwing Thu 06-Dec-12 19:26:00

DIF say there was a secret court hearing yesterday.

AnyaKnowIt Thu 06-Dec-12 19:26:05
AnyaKnowIt Thu 06-Dec-12 19:57:39
Mrcrumpswife Thu 06-Dec-12 21:30:55

shock what more can i sayshock

AnyaKnowIt Thu 06-Dec-12 21:33:49

He has been bailed

MrsjREwing Thu 06-Dec-12 21:39:16

BBC just showed a quick glance of Max's statement.

Mrcrumpswife Fri 07-Dec-12 21:24:00

This is getting seriously weird now. Why would a nurse commit suicide because she put a call through to another nurse who then gave out medical details.

Surely the Royals have a strict security protocol when any of them are admitted to hospital. I really dont buy into all of this rubbish that they were duped by a radio stationhmm Something else must be going on. Newspapers and journalists must have been pulling that stunt since the telephone was invented.

Max Clifford could have quite easily rushed through a Super injunction like others have but has chosen to face the public. I'm beginning to think he is being sent a warning shot to make sure he shuts his mouth. He isnt too big in the picture to be destroyed, thats already happened with the accusation made public. No one will want to be associated with him.

Kate left hospital looking terrible which is understandable but 6 days ago she was playing hockey in high heels looking the picture of health.

As for the secret hearing for a certain person, i also saw that. Does being wealthy and powerful give you instant access to court when and if its needed.

We are living in one crazy country or the world has gone mad.

I feel so sad for the family of the lady that allegedly committed suicidesad

MrsjREwing Fri 07-Dec-12 21:44:35

I too feel very sad about the nurse, only she knows, poor soul.

Lockedout434 Fri 07-Dec-12 23:36:13

That poor conscientious nurse she was probably mortified . All those fuckers who called for her head have never been responsible for anything . It drives me loopy that poor women paid a pittance with huge resposability gets castigated by some gormlass twat who has never had an iota worths responsibility. Who sits behind a pen and and a English degree and pontificates about something they know fuck all about but causes mayhem. Arrrrg

Lockedout434 Fri 07-Dec-12 23:45:32

Do you know why she committed suicide because she cared about her job. She cared about her patients, she cares about her reputation. She was a caring person who was vunerable. Whose job was her life and her self being. She wasn't a callous cunt who could write shit about someone and not realise it affected people.
I am so so angry that fuckers on this site slagged her off, I am so angry that a person who cared could be so vilified for a mistake. Women turning on women. Men victimising a fucking simple mistake.

i've missed all this about a nurse - going completely over my head.

sashh Sat 08-Dec-12 09:47:31


Private hospitals do not pay a pittance, my sallary doubled for the same grade, doing the same job as in the NHS.

I don't think anyone villified her, I, and others pointed out the breach of patient confidentiality by the other nurse. I don't think anyone had a go at this nurse for putting the call through.

The nurse who anwered the phone on the prank call and put it through to the ward has been found dead. There is speculation that it is suicide. And it does seem likley.

Lockedout434 Sat 08-Dec-12 12:55:25

Sorry for ranting. Its just touched a nerve.
Wrong place, wrong thread.

Lockedout434 Sat 08-Dec-12 13:14:00
Lockedout434 Sat 08-Dec-12 13:25:00


Absolutely vile

Lockedout434 Sat 08-Dec-12 13:26:31

Here is something from the cps re Cyril smith

Why wasn't that followed up and was he protected for so long.0

Mrcrumpswife Sat 08-Dec-12 13:32:35

The more i read, the more i feel sick to the pit of my stomach. The amount of child abuse going on is astounding, the lack of intention to prosecute is pitiful and to top it off the sentencing is woefully pathetic.

Its almost as though paedophiles have been given a green light to offend again and again.

The Cyril Smith case has thrown up allegations of bribery, I should be horrified, yet this doesnt surprise me anymore. It seems that nearly everyone in power has a price and the protection of children falls far short of warranting any form of moral obligation to put them firstsad


The sooner Leah McGrath Goodman gets her feet on Jersey soil the better. Nobody here is going to blow this whole corrupt system wide open because so many of them appear to be a part of it or have a vested interest in sweeping it all under the carpet.

Mumsnet as a site should be campaigning against closed family courts. If you are having your children removed then all sides must be heard instead of this ridiculous system where reports can be submitted without those writing them having ever met the parents or children involved. WTF are our courts thinkingangry You would never get away with this crap in any other aspect of the law. Can you imagine a mass murderer having his mental health being assessed by someone who has never met him yet childrens lives are being determined by a system that does exactly that.

So many issues have been thrown up since JS regarding child protection in this country its overwhelming.

lockedout 5 years for that piece of shit, i'd have given him life without parole in a non segregated part of the prison with a whopper tatoo accross his forehead stating what he has done.

Mrcrumpswife Sat 08-Dec-12 13:50:51

Oh and whilst i'm ranting lets not forget the charities that take millions upon millions from kind hearted people yet charge local authorities to use their services and then fail to answer the phone to half of the children calling. WTF are they doing with the money donated. Someones getting rich or mismanaging finances on an epic scaleangry

it's remarkable isn't it? the judge acknowledges the ruin of people's lives, acknowledges the deliberate targeting of the vulnerable and the progressive nature of the crimes and then gives the minimum sentence.

if targeting and raping vulnerable children and actually making a judge quite disgusted only equals a five year sentence what are they really saying? they are saying very clearly that it's bad but not that bad. that women and girls are for fucking after all so.... it's not like killing or beating someone or anything... just sort of fucking in the wrong way. judges and much of the public will not accept that this is violent, horrific offending. they think it's 'sex' gone a bit awry.

we desperately need a massive injection of female judges - and not just the ones who are willing to bend over and play handmaiden.

why do they not understand this is basically pretty much the WORST crime and that being a danger to vulnerable girls and women is the MOST viable reason for locking people away for a very long time? basically there is no other conclusion than they don't think women and girls are that important

mrc i think people are massive naive as to what the term 'charity' means in a corporate sense now. in legal and tax terms it really isn't what most people think.

Mrcrumpswife Sat 08-Dec-12 22:05:52

The Sunday Times tomorrow. 25 celebrities being investigated.


if anyone with a times subscription could copy and paste that article here today that would be great.

Lockedout434 Sun 09-Dec-12 06:46:22

This a wooly no names report from the express.

I was thinking that the police probably only arrested Clifford so the could go and check his files for corroboration of their evidence gathered on others. Like cheating at your homework

Lockedout434 Sun 09-Dec-12 14:26:37

That's just shocking.
Some could be 15 yr olds with 15 year olds please god .
How on earth can you find out. Do police have to publish cautions?

Lockedout434 Sun 09-Dec-12 14:34:28

Info on cautions

They appear not to be appropriate for rape!!!!!

Mrcrumpswife Sun 09-Dec-12 18:04:28

A good article by Sonia Poulton in the Express today but very depressing to read how the survivors are still being treated.


Lockedout434 Sun 09-Dec-12 19:55:05
Lockedout434 Sun 09-Dec-12 20:07:39
Mrcrumpswife Sun 09-Dec-12 20:38:42

Karin Ward is one hell of a courageous lady.

Lockedout434 Sun 09-Dec-12 20:49:39
Lockedout434 Mon 10-Dec-12 06:37:47


Interestiing thoughts and reaction to max Clifford. Heis talking about his affairs.

Lockedout434 Mon 10-Dec-12 06:54:43

The above link from my blog refers to some secret recordings that have come into my possession regarding the Jersey Child Abuse Cover-Up. It follows on from the involvement of journalist David Rose and his trashing of the investigation under Lenny Harper. The BBC should have a programme going out tomorrow evening at 7.30pm. The Inside-out programme will be featuring on the Jersey Cover-up. It has been put back for a month so we hope tomorrow it will be given an airing.

Therer appears to be something on in some regional areas . To be later on iplayer.
Anyone in the right area could summarise

LoopsInHoops Mon 10-Dec-12 09:37:08
KrisMoose Mon 10-Dec-12 09:43:52

....not linked to Jimmy Savile, so say Police. But part of Op Yewtree. I am confused.

LoopsInHoops Mon 10-Dec-12 09:49:56
LoopsInHoops Mon 10-Dec-12 09:54:28

Op yewtree - 3 strands - Savile, Savile and others, and others. All or most of these arrests have been 'others' - ie. info has come out due to savile story but not connected to Savile himself per se.

KrisMoose Mon 10-Dec-12 09:56:47

Oh, I see. Thanks. Any idea who has been arrested today?

LoopsInHoops Mon 10-Dec-12 10:02:52

No. Time will tell...

NigellasGuest Mon 10-Dec-12 11:57:52
AnyaKnowIt Mon 10-Dec-12 11:59:18

no he was arrested and bailed on Friday

NigellasGuest Mon 10-Dec-12 12:03:10

ah, ok Anya thanks.
It's odd, there's nothing on Twitter. For other arrests there was always a hint. Curiosity getting the better of me but don't want to descend into tittle tattle. Victims/survivors are the bottom line. I only hope that names coming out has the effect of giving others the courage to report abuse, current or "historic". I think there is evidence of this being the case.

MrsjREwing Mon 10-Dec-12 12:57:48

I have a bit of reading with those links and inside out tomorrow thankfully shouldn't have details in due to watershed. I don't think there should be too much detail about how the abuse task place as in where was touched etc, I can't see the point personally and must distress the survivors.

Maybe like the old man there is a SI on the arrest.

MrsjREwing Mon 10-Dec-12 13:25:44

That female arrest linked on DIF is a shocker shock

AnyaKnowIt Mon 10-Dec-12 13:30:13

Female arrest?

MrsjREwing Mon 10-Dec-12 13:34:15

apparently bailed over viewing child pornsad

MrsjREwing Mon 10-Dec-12 13:42:39


NigellasGuest Mon 10-Dec-12 13:51:10

it's not her, but her "former business partner" - see my earlier post at 11:57:52

Mrcrumpswife Mon 10-Dec-12 15:46:16


Finally, someone points out that Royal security failed badly to protect the Royals and Staff at the hospital.

AnyaKnowIt Mon 10-Dec-12 18:21:05

He hasn't been named, but the man arrested this morning has been bailed

Mrcrumpswife Mon 10-Dec-12 18:59:40

I've been looking at his silhouette in the DM and trying to work it out! They used one of Rolf in all of the papers after MWT announced his name.

If the papers know, it must mean an injunction is firmly in place.


DollyTwat Mon 10-Dec-12 19:29:26
Mrcrumpswife Mon 10-Dec-12 19:37:25

Dolly I needed brain bleach after looking at those pics. YUK! What would possess a grown man to pose like thatconfused

MrsjREwing Mon 10-Dec-12 19:57:40

The dirty thing posing like that.

Mrcrumpswife Mon 10-Dec-12 19:58:27

I feel embarrassed for himblush

NigellasGuest Mon 10-Dec-12 20:10:16


AnyaKnowIt Mon 10-Dec-12 21:06:47
Lockedout434 Mon 10-Dec-12 23:54:50


guardian link I wonder why she gave it all up and went to USA

Lockedout434 Tue 11-Dec-12 00:10:10

This is interesting re Shrewsbury John Peel bio gives a bit of insight into how harsh it was there.

IT amazes me how linked everyone is through parliament, entertainment, science.
This only shrewsbury If we got the famous eton allumni list out that would be even more so and then oxford and cambridge
but anyway.
taken from the DI forum

John Peel was born in 1939. Famous alumni of Shrewsbury born around that time:

- Christopher Booker (born 1937), journalist, founder of Private Eye-
- The Right Honourable The Lord Heseltine CH PC (born 1933), politician
- Richard Ingrams (born 1937), journalist, founder of Private Eye
- Sir Mark Moody-Stuart (born 1940), ex-chairman of Royal Dutch Shell and Chairman of the UN Global Compact committee
- Lord Hutton (born 1931), Law Lord, Lord Chief Justice of Northern Ireland, Chairman of Hutton Inquiry [too old to have been there at the same time but thought it was interesting!]
- Sir Colin Hugh Verel McColl (born 1932), Ex-Director of SIS
- Michael Palin CBE (born 1943), actor and TV presenter
- Martin Rees, Baron Rees of Ludlow (born 1942), Astronomer Royal, Master of - Trinity College, Cambridge, President of Royal Society
Other notable people are:

George Savile 1st Marquess of Halifax
Charles Darwin
Christopher Booker
Michael Heseltine
Robert Hudson - BBC broadcaster and administrator - seemed to do a lot on the royals and major sporting events, Olympics, Commonwealth games etc.
Lord Chief Justice Hutton
Mark Moody-Stuart - worked for Shell, HSBC and Accenture
Nick Owen - BBC presenter
Anthony Chenevix-Trench - Headmaster of Eton. Changed rules of corporal punishment including introducing caning in private, on bare buttocks. He resigned for his fondness of beating boys - not made public knowledge until after his death
Tim Crow - psychiatrist known for research into schizophrenia and psychosis
Brian Inglis - tv presenter interested in the paranormal and alternatives to mainstream medicine (not BBC)
Richard Ingrams - co founder of Private Eye
Stephen Paget - surgeon who researched how cancer spreads
George Jeffreys - Judge who in two days sentenced 144 people to hanging
Stephen Jessel - BBC correspondent - interestingly "He remained with the BBC as a freelance after ceasing to be a staff correspondent and broadcast after the death of Princess Diana in Paris"
Nicholas Rankin - writer and broadcaster BBC
Peter Davis - chairman for Reed international, J Sainsburys, chief exec for Prudential, chairman for Marie Curie cancer charity.
Geoffrey Lane - Judge who dealt with Great Train Robbery case, famous for quote He is also famous for his quote: "Loss of freedom seldom happens overnight. Oppression doesn't stand on the doorstep with toothbrush moustache and swastika armband -- it creeps up insidiously... step by step, and all of a sudden the unfortunate citizen realizes that it is gone."
Also involved in James Hanratty A6 murder case, Birmingham six, Guildford four and overturn conviction of robbery by Anthony Mycock after the BBC aired a program to say the robbery never happened.
Willie Rushton - co founder of Private Eye
Owen Seaman - Editor of Punch
Norman Skelhorn - director of public prosecutions - gave Bertie Smalls immunity from prosecution. Involved in allowing the use of torture of the IRA
Simon Dee - ITV BBC and radio DJ Dropped by ITV after interview with George Lazenby who discussed theories of the JFK assassination.
Paul Foot - investigative journalist who exposed the Eton headmaster Anthony Chenevix-Trench, tried to get a pardon for James Hanratty the A6 murderer, worked with Ian Hislop and Private Eye, took interest in the conviction of the Lockerbie Bomber, campaigned to overturn the convictions of the Birmingham six and said “Only the working masses can change society; but they will not do that spontaneously, on their own. They can rock capitalism back onto its heels but they will only knock it out if they have the organisation, the socialist party, which can show the way to a new, socialist order of society. Such a party does not just emerge. It can only be built out of the day-to-day struggles of working people.”
Edward Foljambe also known as Edward Peter Bertram Savile Foljambe - 5th Earl of Liverpool and Tory politician
Colin McColl - head of British Secret Intelligence service
Richard Todd - Actor including Disney movies, BBC productions, signed to 20th century fox
Kyffin Williams - artist and friend of Rolf Harris

Lots and lots of bishops and priests (I was surprised by the amount)
Lots of cricketers
Lots of archaeologists
Lots of politicians, mostly Tory a handful of Liberal (not surprising to be honest)

Lockedout434 Tue 11-Dec-12 07:57:16


Have we posted this huge list anywhere. It does appear that there is a box with a. Tick to say I have an unnatural interest in children

AnyaKnowIt Tue 11-Dec-12 12:28:27

This has been removed due to legal reasons hmm

AnyaKnowIt Tue 11-Dec-12 12:30:49

Lockedout, just has a look at that link you posted last night. I'm very angry that they have used a picture of a young girl with hair and make-up done!

Mrcrumpswife Tue 11-Dec-12 12:36:20

Wow, didnt take them long to remove that link. His wiki page was changed yesterday aswell. Could be a coincidencehmm

I cant believe how many pages and pictures which are from legitimate sources (not blogs) are being removed when they only contain well known info about certain people. Google seems to have notices at the bottom of every page now.

Mrcrumpswife Tue 11-Dec-12 12:54:17

Has anyone heard anything from John Hemming about Leah McGrath Goodman yet? I have had a google and cant find any recent updates.

AnyaKnowIt Tue 11-Dec-12 13:02:12

I can't find anything

AnyaKnowIt Tue 11-Dec-12 19:27:34
Lockedout434 Tue 11-Dec-12 22:42:25

Did anyone listen to radio 4 this morning at 9am. There was a very good programme with professionals talking about who, why and how to prevent abuse.
Analysing the child sex abuser


Lockedout434 Tue 11-Dec-12 23:05:43


This is the inside out tv programme it canbe viewed on iplayer.
It has also comments from Lenny Harper Leah McGrath goodman

Lockedout434 Tue 11-Dec-12 23:20:18


An 70 year old from jersey has just been convicted.
Tip of the ice berg?

A former Jersey Centenier has been found guilty of child sex abuse.

The jury found 77-year-old Ralph Cyril Mauger guilty of five of the eight charges - guilty of the indecent assault of three girls.

He has been remanded in custody until 16th January 2013 - pending sentencing for child sex abuse.

Mauger denied seven counts of indecent assault and one of inciting an act of gross indecency, involving girls aged six to 14, and alleged to have happened at a house in Grouville between 1998 and 2006.

The jury were unanimous that Ralph Mauger indecently assaulted Witnesses A and B, and by majority in case of Witness C.

Lockedout434 Tue 11-Dec-12 23:29:32
Lockedout434 Wed 12-Dec-12 04:50:11


Interesting all about jersey cover up

can't find out what Mauger did on jersey who his friends or links are?

Lockedout434 Wed 12-Dec-12 05:05:07

Good blog and the comments are interesting.


They make a brilliant point as to why are bbc jersey so crap

AnyaKnowIt Wed 12-Dec-12 13:25:02

Paul burral is sueing max Clifford.

AnyaKnowIt Wed 12-Dec-12 13:26:46

something to do with phone hacking I think. not sure being used ad a climbing frame at the mo

Mrcrumpswife Wed 12-Dec-12 16:01:09

Its on SKY. Max Clifford allegedly handed over private docs to the NOTW that Paul Burrell had given him to prevent bad press.

No such thing as loyalty when money is involved!


Mrcrumpswife Wed 12-Dec-12 16:01:46
Mrcrumpswife Wed 12-Dec-12 16:06:44

I'm beginning to think this is too neat and tidy to be true. Its almost as though they are trying to totally discredit MC so that if he is ever called as a witness for other court procedures with all the info he has, his evidence will be torn apart as he is seen to be dodgy himself.

Mrcrumpswife Wed 12-Dec-12 17:12:39


Operation Fairbank to investigate claims made by Tom Watson.

bunchamunchycrunchycarrots Wed 12-Dec-12 17:40:55

The thing that seems significant to me in terms of the lessons to be learned from this investigation is, as that officer said, the power of the victims who came forward. IMO I think it turns on its head the arguments about granting anonymity to those accused. Where there are multiple victims, there is corroboration, and you can only encourage people to come forward if they know they will be listened to and believed. I think the Stuart Hall arrest has been made public for this very reason, and it's important to be able to appeal for other victims to come forward. I really do think this should change how future allegations and investigations are treated and managed by the police/CPS etc.

i agree and for me it throws massive questions marks over the motives of those who were pushing for anonymity of those accused. not being able to appeal to those who could corroborate accusations means not being able to get enough evidence to go to prosecution often. it also means that an accused person could have accusations over years and no one in the public would be able to put those accusations together and say hang on a bloody minute this is one hell of a pattern.

essentially it would help with getting away with it (in terms of the accused and those who protect them) and keeping secret that you are doing so.

AnyaKnowIt Wed 12-Dec-12 18:40:05
Mrcrumpswife Wed 12-Dec-12 21:35:34

Lenny Harper has just joined twitter, which can only be a good sign for the people of Jersey.

AnyaKnowIt Wed 12-Dec-12 21:36:55

I can't find him

Mrcrumpswife Wed 12-Dec-12 21:43:03

Lenny Harper ‏@ayrshirered
@TheVoiceJersey @NickyAACampbell @Isobel_waby @RicoSorda Was a former Senator acting in public interest not prosecuted for similar actions?
Retweeted by Stuart Syvret
View conversation Reply Retweet Favorite

Go onto Stuart Syvrets twitter. He has re tweeted Lenny Harper which makes him easy to findsmile

AnyaKnowIt Wed 12-Dec-12 22:09:49

Found him, thank you smile

Lockedout434 Thu 13-Dec-12 06:47:10

will be interested to see what comes of that lockedout. if arrests are made of current mps it may restore a little smidge of confidence that power does not equal immunity in this country. and a tad of confidence that women and children do matter actually and when you talk of the 'public interest' you're actually including our interest in that umbrella term rather than just that of establishment men.

AnyaKnowIt Thu 13-Dec-12 13:26:30
AnyaKnowIt Thu 13-Dec-12 13:27:49
MrsjREwing Thu 13-Dec-12 16:22:19

Sally Bercow is being sued for £50,000 by Lord McAlpine according to DM.

AnyaKnowIt Thu 13-Dec-12 18:21:35

I've never been a fan but am glad she is taking it to court

Mrcrumpswife Thu 13-Dec-12 18:44:16

I'm quite surprised she hasnt paid up but why should she when she only asked a question.

I've seen that the film 'unlawful Killing' has been distributed all over the internet today which is a strange. Bet the Queen and Phillip are none too pleased!

There seems to be an awful lot going on at the moment.

AnyaKnowIt Thu 13-Dec-12 18:44:55

What film is that?

Mrcrumpswife Thu 13-Dec-12 18:58:36

The Keith Allen one that was shown at Cannes but they refused to release it here unless they made over 90 cuts to it.

Its about the alleged royal cover up over the death of Diana and Dodi.

Lockedout434 Fri 14-Dec-12 00:00:09

Swallowed Anya crossed fingers that they go for it , but after the finucane debacle today I wouldn't hold my breath.

Mrsewing I'm not a fan of Bercow but I would give her a £5 rather than macalpine.
It will at least hopefully get some ground rules out.
If papers can get away with putting a story out about a secret celebrity and then putting a unrelated story with a picture on the same page off the same secret celebrity then Sally should be able to say a surname.

I do hope you understand what I mean . It's late

Mrcrumpswife Fri 14-Dec-12 13:13:54
AnyaKnowIt Fri 14-Dec-12 13:18:40

so the met investigating the met hmm hmm

Mrcrumpswife Fri 14-Dec-12 13:52:02

Fucking hell, i dont normally swear on here but feast your eyes on this link.


I couldnt believe it, so googled the names on it and yes these are all well publicised offences in the mainstream media. The one below i picked randomly from the list.


Mrcrumpswife Fri 14-Dec-12 17:57:22

Another care home with abuse victims. Yet again the police dropped the investigation and the staff re-instatedsad


AnyaKnowIt Fri 14-Dec-12 18:34:54

sad angry

Lockedout434 Sat 15-Dec-12 00:21:59

Selwood appears to jog something in my memory.

Cannot think what though

Lockedout434 Sat 15-Dec-12 00:22:42

Brilliant link though mrcrump

Lockedout434 Sat 15-Dec-12 00:33:10


It's not looking good if they havent interviewed mark Williams Thomas

i'm just watching the documentary, "lawful killing" - pretty eye opening in terms of how flagrantly the establishment deals with inconvenient facts and literally hides evidence and rewards those who do with knighthoods.

Lockedout434 Sat 15-Dec-12 22:52:33


David selwood judge but there is still something niggling

Lockedout434 Sat 15-Dec-12 22:52:53
Lockedout434 Sat 15-Dec-12 22:59:15


Just 24 hours after judge David Selwood avoided prison, Eton College master Ian McAuslan also avoided jail even though he admitted possessing over 2,000 images of children, 200 of them described as indecent. Magistrates imposed a sentence of only nine months, suspended for two years.

The judge did not even make an order forbidding McAuslan from working with children. It certainly pays to know the right people and confirms yet again that there's one law for them, and another law for the rest of us.
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Lockedout434 Sat 15-Dec-12 23:10:35


A WORLD-famous pop star is being investigated over alleged sex offences after his name was passed to police working on the Jimmy Savile case.

The platinum-selling artist, a household name, is one of 25 figures facing probes under Operation Yewtree, which began after the Savile scandal broke earlier this year.

Police are also expected to arrest a film director in the next few weeks.

The name of the pop star was first handed to police in 2008 when a convicted sex offender claimed he was part of a paedophile ring with Savile.

The paedo was in Whitemoor Prison, Cambs, at the time and passed a list of other child sex offenders to his probation officer. It is understood the list was handed to police but there was not enough evidence for them to act.

Now his name has come up again, he is being “actively investigated”, according to sources close to the inquiry.
Oh I wonder who this is has he a long career?

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Lockedout434 Sun 16-Dec-12 04:03:52


The papers are now catching up and joining the dots.

Rocks Lane is a conspiracy theorist's dream, taking in allegations of the grooming of young boys in care for sex, elaborate gay parties involving senior public figures including members of the Conservative Party, charges of a police cover-up and even the suggestion of murder. The police believe that in the context of the Jimmy Savile scandal and renewed claims over the treatment of boys in care in North Wales, there is every reason to look again at an extremely murky saga.

Lockedout434 Sun 16-Dec-12 08:46:32

Proof I was waiting to see if anything came up on twitter, I can't find anything of note. It looks like the macalpine effect has taken hold.

Mrcrumpswife Sun 16-Dec-12 09:38:35

He isnt world famous so i think he's safe.

The Independant article is a good step in the right direction. DI have been digging at that story on and off for the last 2 weeks.

Its incredible how many dodgy Judges are out there, i couldnt believe that list.

Swallowed did you watch the Keith Allen film?

Mrcrumpswife Sun 16-Dec-12 09:52:18

Dont know what to make of this tweet.

Mark Williams-Thomas ‏@mwilliamsthomas
The headline in the Mirror is wrong & misleading. Jimmy Savile sex abuse scandal: Cops arrest world-famous pop legend #Savile

yes mrcrumps - that's the one i watched.

Mrcrumpswife Sun 16-Dec-12 10:07:27

I dont understand why they made such a drama out of banning it in the UK when most of the info is already public. The only shocker was the media's biased reporting, ignoring massive bits that the public would have been very interested in. Its so blatant with the Knighthoods it borders on embarrassing how openly they do all of this in front of us and we turn the page on the newspapers and think nothing of it.

it does make very clear that there is no way on earth anyone seriously high up the food chain will be convicted of anything no matter what they've done.

what was more shocking for me was the outrageously, blatant misconduct of the judge. that and the fact that everyone they asked on the street thought the conclusion was either that it was an accident or the paparazzi were responsible. totally not what the judgement was at all even with the corrupt judge doing everything in his power to make it that way.

Lockedout434 Sun 16-Dec-12 11:45:22

The mirror thing is weird. Is it a fishing exercise or is it a warning to get rid of your harddrive

Mrcrumpswife Sun 16-Dec-12 13:02:09

Lol at the warning to get rid of your hard drive

I'm beginning to wonder what MWT is all about. He outed RH yet gets all mysterious in other tweetsconfused

i should imagine a lot of hard drives have been ditched of late. this whole process gives people so much time to cover their tracks or literally leave the country.

Mrcrumpswife Mon 17-Dec-12 11:09:38

This article about operation Ore made me shudder. They didnt take into account stolen credit card details and then used images as evidence that were most likely unseen pop ups that automatically appear in your computer memory but you never see.

I know they caught a lot of offenders but what about the innocent ones.


Daily star yesterday linking Savile with Bryn Estyn with 10 victimssad


Mrcrumpswife Mon 17-Dec-12 11:51:02

Wonder why the Queen is attending a cabinet meeting tomorrow?


Very strange and I wonder who has paid for the gift, cant see Cameron dipping into his pocket, maybe they dipped into the tea fundgrin

Hopefully they will point out that she has some very dubious friends!

you don't get pop up images of child rape and other sexual abuse - it is something you'd have to actively go looking for very intently and pay for. all manner of gonzo porn can be accessed free and a few clicks away but child pornography is still quite different and discrete due to it's illegality.

Lockedout434 Tue 18-Dec-12 01:03:33


105 people have come forward
An independent investigation set up to examine allegations of historic child abuse in North Wales has received information from 105 victims in just one month.
Operation Pallial, led by Keith Bristow, director general of the National Crime Agency (NCA), is re-examining allegations of historic abuse and the original police investigations into the care homes abuse scandal.

Lockedout434 Tue 18-Dec-12 01:06:02
Mrcrumpswife Tue 18-Dec-12 09:35:02

awful. the girl placed in care due to sexual abuse who was then raped by a 15yo known sexual offender is shocking - utter neglect of duty of care to house young girls with sexual offenders.

Mrcrumpswife Tue 18-Dec-12 18:31:15

The report on JS is out tomorrow

Mark Williams-Thomas ‏@mwilliamsthomas
MT @lucymanning: The Pollard Report into Savile & the Macquarrie Report into Lord McAlpine will both be published tomorrow.
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Lockedout434 Tue 18-Dec-12 21:59:33


20 year old done for pictures of children. I wonder what happened to him for him to travel that road.

Lockedout434 Tue 18-Dec-12 22:05:27
AnyaKnowIt Tue 18-Dec-12 22:20:38

He was 14 years old when he started viewing pictures.

Something went very wrong sad

Lockedout434 Tue 18-Dec-12 23:25:34


Scarey blogg with the judge named. He pops up of lots of blogs where people are horrified at the length of sentence.

Lockedout434 Tue 18-Dec-12 23:52:51

Now this is strange. Why would cliff of all people write to the krays?


Lockedout434 Tue 18-Dec-12 23:56:58


This is from a school in Suffolk 3 men accused 2 men convicted.

I seem to remember he name Derek slade

Lockedout434 Wed 19-Dec-12 00:00:35

Bloody hell there is a copy on the net of the letter.


AnyaKnowIt Wed 19-Dec-12 11:50:51
AnyaKnowIt Wed 19-Dec-12 11:55:42

He has now been named as Ted Beston

MrsJREwing Wed 19-Dec-12 11:58:19

never heard of him, why do they keep naming arrests before being charged?

Mrcrumpswife Wed 19-Dec-12 12:22:07

Business as usual back at the BBCangry



No evidence of a cover up

Are these people taking the Piss? The BBC have known about child abuse for over 40 years and didnt report to the police when they decided to shelve a planned programme because it exposed the vile man and yet No cover up.

I need a sobbing smiley because this is just the start of another whitewashsad

Mrcrumpswife Wed 19-Dec-12 12:27:41
AnyaKnowIt Wed 19-Dec-12 12:29:44

Why am I not surprised hmm

Lockedout434 Wed 19-Dec-12 12:30:28

[comment by Ted Beston, the producer of his radio show] "Right from the start, we got on well together. If there was something I didn't agree with, or he didn't agree with, we'd sort it out. And at the end, we'd decide that he was righ

Lockedout434 Wed 19-Dec-12 12:44:09

Nicky Campbell ‏@NickyAACampbell
Just had moving conversation with Ted Beston - 75 now - Jimmy Saviles producer for 13 years. And mine for a few too...! #legend

SImon mayo
As a kid I loved the off air characters he talked to-Uncle Ted and Graham Archive spring to mind. And I was fortunate to work with 'Uncle' Ted Beston when I joined Radio 1, he had the best music ears anywhere and it was Ted who put those shows together. Happy memories. RIP Jimmy Saville.

Lockedout434 Wed 19-Dec-12 12:46:17
Lockedout434 Wed 19-Dec-12 21:46:29

Exaro News say they've found diaries and receipts from Elm Guest House, a location in the 1980s so-called VIP paedophile ring. Exaro says they contain the names of two Conservative ex-cabinet ministers, four more Tories, two Labour and one Liberal. A banker, two Buck House officials and two pop stars among others.


Wonder when Exaro will break the names?

Taken from digital spy

Lockedout434 Wed 19-Dec-12 21:47:40

Quite a list

It ends with
And a partridge in a pear tree

AnyaKnowIt Wed 19-Dec-12 21:49:39

I was just coming to post that!

I've never heard of Exaro

claig Wed 19-Dec-12 22:38:49

Andrew Neil mentioned on The Daily Politics today that a video of him interviewing Savile in 1995 has been found and uploaded to youtube. Haven't watched it yet, but Andrew Neil said it is interesting in the light of what we now know about Savile.


LoopsInHoops Thu 20-Dec-12 03:07:33
Lockedout434 Thu 20-Dec-12 14:00:04


This is the real story. They knew, if a trainee knew and saw things then they knew and did not do anything.

Entwistle, who resigned from the BBC with a £450,000 payoff last month after just 54 days in the job, was told in an email from the corporation's then head of events Nick Vaughan-Barratt in May 2010, nearly 18 months before Savile died, that he had worked with the TV and radio presenter and saw "the real truth" and would feel uneasy about making a tribute to him.

Vaughan-Barratt told Entwistle in the email in May 2010: "We have no obit and I am not sure we would want one ... My first job in TV was on a JS show, I saw the complex and sometimes conflicting nature of the man at first hand ... I'd feel v queasy about an obit. I saw the real truth!!!"

When interviewed by Pollard last month Vaughan-Barratt explained that by "dark side" he meant: "We haven't got an obit for him. I don't think we should make one. The guy is pretty complex and difficult and there is a dark side."

Vaughan-Barratt told Pollard that he was not aware of specific allegations of child sex abuse by Savile until late 2012.

Xenia Thu 20-Dec-12 16:06:21

Yes, claig's link to the Savile interview is worth watching - www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mJ4a0ODPBM&feature=youtu.be he is asked some quite searching questions and almost immediately is very defensive.

Lockedout434 Fri 21-Dec-12 05:37:50


Fred the weatherman!!!

Lockedout434 Fri 21-Dec-12 05:38:50
Lockedout434 Fri 21-Dec-12 05:41:44

You know he death thing of 5 days with his dead mother . Wasn't that just a wake. He explains it that she was laid out at his sisters house.
Which people did and still do now.

Lockedout434 Sat 22-Dec-12 09:33:02
AnyaKnowIt Sat 22-Dec-12 12:51:16

After much soul-searching, she has concluded that it would serve Savile’s memory better to ‘set the record straight’ rather than allow unkind rumour to tarnish his memory.

Unkind rumours? Oh do fuck off angry

Lockedout434 Sat 22-Dec-12 17:08:25


On this morning saying its all untrue in June 2012

Lockedout434 Sun 23-Dec-12 11:44:18


The bbc glossed over rumours.
That ain't no gloss more like whitewash
Why did mitchell take it off the risk register?

Lockedout434 Sun 23-Dec-12 12:49:52

Also within monthly meetings you question why things come off the risk register as you want to know how they wre resolved and if the risk has been passed or if actions have been taken to mitigate the risk.

AnyaKnowIt Sun 23-Dec-12 12:51:48

What a waste of £2 million hmm

Lockedout434 Sun 23-Dec-12 13:39:39

What a wonderful place the Internet is . I thought I had a connection but Mitchell worked for a different paper than lesley tither and he was in London at the bbc in 1978.


Lesley relayed the immediate disgust she had felt to her colleagues at the newspaper.

“I think my first words to my colleagues were: ‘Jim’ll grope it’. Whenever he has come up in conversation over the years, I have always voiced my misgivings. I just can’t believe it has taken so long for him to be exposed

So why didn't she run the story. Or give it to her mates


AnyaKnowIt Sun 23-Dec-12 13:48:35


Lockedout434 Sun 23-Dec-12 22:33:27

Why didn't she run a story about the interview and say he was a letch .
Why why why why why.

Lockedout434 Mon 24-Dec-12 04:23:39

This from the sun . A few really horrid comments.

paul Daniels wrote about his risky 1970s encounter hours after Savile’s ex-BBC producer Ted Beston was arrested on Wednesday by police on the Operation Yewtree sex abuse inquiry.
The illusionist said he was shocked 76-year-old Beston was being held — and went on to tell how the showbiz world of the ’70s had been plagued by teenage “groupies.”

Read more: www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4712279/paul-daniels-schoolgirl-clinch.html#ixzz2FwK8fdsu

Lockedout434 Mon 24-Dec-12 04:30:58

ffs - if it was 'impossible to know' if they were of age then you should have played safe and left them alone. are we really to feel sorry for these poor, poor men who are being expected to check birth certificates? if someone looks young enough to possibly be under 16 leave her the fuck alone.

simple. surely?

the sad thing is that even when these people are trying to portray themselves in a positive, innocent light they don't realise the utter misogyny and letcherous yukness they're exuding. which goes to show how deep that letchy, girls-are-things-to-fuck attitude runs.

Lockedout434 Mon 24-Dec-12 08:47:51

It's always the women's fault though isnt it.
Amazing how he can process it in his mind that he had a narrow escape as it was her fault for nearly trapping him .

yep - he gave a lift to a child who was upset and his response was oooh goodie i'm in for some fun. and that was morally absolutely fine apparently - the only concern was it turning out she was young enough for him to be at risk of legal problems.

he clearly felt no shame or concern at his attitude to her only self concern that he could get in trouble.

these men just keep digging.

but presumably they feel free to say this because they assume that is normal, what all men are like and how all men see young girls. they assume that IS what girls are for and no empathy, compassion or maturity is expected from a male when it comes to girls. fucked up.

AnyaKnowIt Mon 24-Dec-12 09:45:20

was just about to post about Paul daniels. he is the innocent party in this, he says that a school girl tried it on. the sick sick manangry

bunchamunchycrunchycarrots Mon 24-Dec-12 11:21:36

More like he's a very stupid man. He's pretty much admitted he's 'gone beyond just a kiss' with a school girl. And yet he doubts the integrity of those who have come forward about historical abuse? He might as well have signed a statement saying he's guilty, just find my victims. Saying it happened 35/40 years ago doesn't change the fact he knew what he did was wrong as he drove off trying to make sure she couldn't see his number plate. Odd behaviour if you had done nothing wrong. All the feigned innocence is bollocks - he knew well enough back then it was wrong, and the passage of time doesn't make it less wrong.

AnyaKnowIt Mon 24-Dec-12 12:19:42

I've been thinking about this, this morning, about the whole they looked older then they were bullshit.

I worked in retail for over 10 years, for that I needed an alcohol license. If I or any of my staff sold alcohol to anyone under the age of 18 then I would be responsible. I would have lost my license, and without my license my job plus a maximum fine of £5,000.

Anyway my point being is that if I used the defence of 'they looked older' would NOT have worked as I had not used Due Diligence. That I had not taken the reasonable step to find out that persons age.

Why isn't it the same for sexual offences?

DollyTwat Mon 24-Dec-12 12:24:22

Did Paul Daniels actually admit to chucking a child he'd tried it on with out of the car, at night, because she'd said she was at school?
He actually turned his headlights off as he drove off?

Words fail me


AnyaKnowIt Mon 24-Dec-12 12:29:57

Yep, just left the child at the side of the road without a backwards glance!


bunchamunchycrunchycarrots Mon 24-Dec-12 12:44:37

Chances are he was still married to his 1st wife at the time. Can't find anything about when he was divorced, but it seems likely to me. He is an odious little git isn't he?

AnyaKnowIt Mon 24-Dec-12 12:48:59

Hmm, his wiki page was change on 20th November

Daniels married his first wife, Jacqueline Skipworth (born 1942), in 1960, when she was 17 and he was 21.

DollyTwat Mon 24-Dec-12 12:49:37

I hope she sees that article and makes a complaint
He clearly remembers it

it's different because it's about girls imo - and they really do believe that is what girls are and are for - things for fucking.

wrong to not check a purchaser is 18 even if they look 18 if buying a bottle of wine but somehow expecting a grown man to ensure the child he has picked up in the rain is out of school before sticking his tongue down her throat is utterly unreasonable.

AnyaKnowIt Mon 24-Dec-12 12:57:45

Oh yes of course <slaps head>

Its all about sex is a right not a need, and well woman/girl just be bloody grateful of the attention ffs angry

AnyaKnowIt Mon 24-Dec-12 12:59:35

Sex is not a right *or a need

AnyaKnowIt Mon 24-Dec-12 20:35:58

LockedOut You are good with the internet searching thingy grin

Have you come across a Saviles Childrens Hospital in Peterborough?

Lockedout434 Mon 24-Dec-12 23:29:58

You do realise I have guests and christmas and shit to organise.

So anyway couldn't find much except digital spy and this popped up.
It's page 17 hairy arsed constructions workers sussed it

In 1992, Peterborough CMPE pledges to raise funds for the Jimmy Saville Children’s Hospital Fund but switches to Hospital at Home for Children after doubts over the direction of the dona- tions.


It's the welsh connection with vince saville the and boothby that I am trying to suss out.

Lockedout434 Mon 24-Dec-12 23:38:42

My first flat was in a quite posh riverside block in Peterborough (my then girlfriend managed to rent it dirt cheap off her boss, who had just got married and moved in with her husband). At the time Savile was spending a lot of time in Peterborough, he was raising money for a childrens' hospital that was going to be made to look like a castle and would carry his name. It never got built in the end, I'm not 100% sure why though. But when he was in Peterborough he stayed in a flat in the same block as me (there were much, much bigger flats upstairs and I believe his was one of those).

I never saw him there and I didn't hear any rumours about him at the time so this isn't as interesting as maybe it could be but it creeps the fuck out of me thinking about what he might have been doing in his flat while I was at home in my flat in the same block
SpineyNorman, Oct 12, 2012 #413


secret squirrel likes this.

Lockedout434 Mon 24-Dec-12 23:45:54

Jimmy used to work as a consultant for travel agent Thomas Cook and helped city charities raise thousands of pounds.

Nigel Hards, now the chairman of Peterborough and Stamford Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, worked with Jimmy in the early 1990s at Thomas Cook.

He said: “I worked with him quite closely for about four years.
“He was a very complex character. The person on the TV screen and on the radio was a very different person to the private Jimmy Savile.

“He did lots of things for lots of people that he would not talk about, as well as his publicised charity work.

“He was a great ambassador for Peterborough. He helped launch the Charity Six road race, and lots of top runners, including Steve Ovett and Steve Cram came along, just because he was involved.

“He was heavily involved in helping set up a children’s medical health charity in the city, by raising a quarter of a million pounds.

“He was also instrumental in bringing Princess Diana to the city as part of Thomas Cook’s 150th anniversary.

“He was also a very intelligent man and was a member of MENSA.

“I once asked him what he did at Stoke Mandeville Hospital as a volunteer.

“He said he liked working the night shift at the mortuary, because he thought it would be easier for loved ones if he was there when they came in.

“He also said it was the only place in the hospital where he could smoke his cigars, as the inmates didn’t complain.

“There will never be anyone like him again and he will be missed. It is a sad day.”

Reg Briggs (79), of Chaucer Road, Peterborough, worked in the security control room for Thomas Cook when he met Jimmy.

He said: “I met him a couple of times when he worked here.

“He was always happy to have his photo taken, and he would always have a chat.

“I remember he came in and asked where a cleaning lady was, as he had heard she wanted a picture with him. He was a nice man, a real character.

“I still have a couple of pictures of me with him, one at work and one at home.

“They always get a bit of attention.

“Hearing of his death brought back some of the memories. It is sad to hear the news.”

Lockedout434 Mon 24-Dec-12 23:47:09

Thomas cook !!!!! That's a new one on me.

Is anything not touched by that villian.

Lockedout434 Tue 25-Dec-12 01:56:24

Originally Posted by holmez
"You want an autograph? £5 please" - J Saville at Thomas Cook.

Whatever happened to all the money raised for the "childrens hospital" that was supposed to be next to the Edith Cavelle (sic)?
Nigel Hards was on the radio yesterday morning and mentioned it. That money went to Hospital at Home.



Lockedout434 Tue 25-Dec-12 02:07:39

Looks like the link between both places is hards
Digital spy has it again

Originally Posted by syymon
In the 80s my wife used to work at Thomas Cook. Once a year Jimmy Savile used to visit the office and do a tour.

I can't remember why that was but it had something to do with him fronting a charity for them (but I might be wrong!).

He was regarded by the female staff as a complete "sleaze" and would think nothing of groping them or kissing them on the mouth.

All of this would happen in front of management and other members of staff - who would laugh along with it, rather than take issue. Jimmy would work this all into his routine and everyone appeared powerless to stop it. There was certainly nobody that dared to raise an objection. Jimmy was too big and powerful in their minds to risk upsetting, so they just allowed it to happen.

To all of those people, on this forum, who think the abuse never happened - and their argument is, that if it had, the people involved would have reported it or taken it further - you are very mistaken. There are many reasons why most people would not go up against a powerful individual and the system that keeps that person in place. This is even more true for vulnerable members of society - like young women in a children's home, who already think that the system is against them.

Ultimately, many claimants may be making up stories, for their own purposes and I do not believe that everyone is telling the truth. However, it is extremely likely that there is at least one small piece of truth in all these allegations.

There is another thing that must be remembered when looking at these situations. That is - those people that witness these things (like the management at Thomas Cooks, TV executives etc.) will have tried to convince themselves that what they saw "wasn't as bad as it looked". This is to justify the fact that they themselves took the easy option of not objecting to it or reporting it. It is a normal human survival reaction that can result in guilt many years later - hence the Esther Rantzen reaction. It takes a massive self-confidence to be able to stand against the crowd.

Maybe those angered at the "unprovable" attack against a dead man should view his demise in another way - he has gotten away with it! After all, nobody's bothered what's said about them when they're dead!

Lockedout434 Tue 25-Dec-12 08:55:54

Thomas cook paid him about £10,000 per appearance according to one website.

AnyaKnowIt Tue 25-Dec-12 12:13:43

sorry lockedout didn't mean right away blush

you are bloody good tho grin and merry Xmas grin

Lockedout434 Tue 25-Dec-12 21:17:13

Why thank you . Tis the power of google.

A minor disaster diverted when I realised I had started warming the oven with the beef and goose still in their plastic linings.
I had put them out of reach of the cats over night.

Could have been another thing to blame that fit for.

Lockedout434 Tue 25-Dec-12 22:37:58


I keep forgetting that you cant hear the tone of my voice.
I know you didn't mean right now I was being ironic ( probably slightly sarcastic sorry) grin
I am intrigued with the way savile will pan out.
Will the politicians be outed. Will those poor people get their closure. Will it stop just in a little way something happening to the same extent again.
I am also petrified as well as with the Internet my girls will be meeting boys who think weird porno sex as normal.
Where taking pictures via their phones will be natural and normal whatever vunerable situation they are in.
The huge risk that they could be exploited .

I think that's why I am a tad obsessed at the moment
Happy Xmas to everyone.
I will be out of Internet range for a few days soon I don't know how I will cope. .

Lockedout434 Tue 25-Dec-12 22:44:36

So whilst I am still in range I will make the most of it

Ha Daniels is getting a bit of kicking deservedly so.

Lockedout434 Tue 25-Dec-12 22:53:17


I don't know how to copy twitter messages
He is saying that savile in 2009 was questioned under caution about 4 assaults 3 of them children!!!
Who, what, why was it not followed up. surely there must have been others.

AnyaKnowIt Tue 25-Dec-12 23:00:56

This is the tweet

Mark Williams-Thomas &#8207;@mwilliamsthomas
In 2009 #Savile was interviewed under caution on sus of 4 Ind Assaults- 3 re children. What would have been the effect if reported in media?

I have also found...

Leah McGrath Goodman &#8207;@truth_eater
UK says my visa to do journalistic work on how its children are being protected has been held up for "further processing." #savile #yewtree

21 Dec Leah McGrath Goodman &#8207;@truth_eater
UK tells me of delays in my visa to re-enter the country. Investigating child-protection issues apparently not a priority. #Savile #yewtree

Lockedout434 Wed 26-Dec-12 09:06:21
Lockedout434 Thu 27-Dec-12 07:10:12

I worked for Thomas Cook in the 1980s. They employed Savile as a consultant because of his 'deep insight into the minds of the British public'. Many staff were shocked as to why management might do this, but the guy was 'royalty' and 'untouchable'. I met him once in the Thomas Cook HQ Leisure Centre and just found him opinionated and creepy, but i couldn't say why. (Know I know).


Lockedout434 Thu 27-Dec-12 07:12:04

He was a paid consultant to travel agent Thomas Cook and charged a minimum of £10,000 for personal appearances. His British Rail "Age of the train" advertisements in 1984 brought in around £500,000.

Lockedout434 Thu 27-Dec-12 07:38:56

Johhny gosch website is just terrifying. I won't link as if you need to see it you can google. Her son was kidnapped and trafficked. She has found pictures of him on websites. She suspects collusion with police .

Lockedout434 Thu 27-Dec-12 12:02:04

Sir Peter hayman appears to be high up but a bit dodgy. I can't get much on websites but only scanned newspaper articles which I can't see cos I am on an iPod.

AnyaKnowIt Thu 27-Dec-12 12:35:22

I've heard of Jonny Gosch, heartbreaking sad

I'm not sure about police collusion, but the did fuck it up.

Lockedout434 Thu 27-Dec-12 13:22:13


High up investigation stopped according to the very reputable daily star !!!

AnyaKnowIt Thu 27-Dec-12 15:27:20

angry at the teenage rent boy. under aged they mean

Lockedout434 Thu 27-Dec-12 16:30:35

Micheal havers attourny general thought it wasn't prudent to prosecute hayman.

Havers also allowed allegedly information to be hidden in the Guildford 4 trials. So he appears to be an establishment figure.
In his submission to Sir John May's Inquiry into the Guildford and Woolwich bombings in 1989 Labour MP Chris Mullin's cast doubt on Havers’s integrity in the matter:[8]

His sister is barroness butler sloss who wanted to have the Diana inquest without a jury.
Was she the one who said the Waterhouse inquiry was marvellous?
I wonder if they knew boothby

yy to disgust at the term 'rent boy'. prostituted children would be more accurate i think.

MadeAVeil Fri 28-Dec-12 00:22:21

The only place Operation Fairbanks is being covered in any detail is on the exaro website which I only recently discovered www.exaronews.com - this appears to be a whole new news site - David Henke covering Fairbanks recently won Political journalist of the year 2012 so it's got some good people on board - Mark Lewis the solicitor acting for the phone hacking victims has also written for them.

So far they are saying that there is evidence in the form of receipts, diary notes and paying slips that links Elms Guest House in Barnes, Rocks Lane, to a network of abusers who were using children from a local RIchmond run care home called Grafton Close between 1979 - 1982 at the guest house. The woman (carol Kasir) who ran the guest house passed on evidence to two people at NAYPIC (National Association of Young People in Care - closed down due to lack of funding - or perhaps because they asked too many questions? Can't we campagin to get their funding back?) before she died in 1990 and was also able to show them photos of -

- a former tory cabinet minister in a sauna with abused boys
- a former top policeman
- Sir Anthony Blunt (long rumoured to strangle boys to death while raping them) who is said to have used the name Anthony Goldstein when signing in to the guest house

Apart from photos they now also have evidence in the form of receipts, paying-in slips as well as diary notes etc. which links to:

- 2 former Conservative cabinet ministers
- a further 7 MPs: four other Tories, 2 Labour and 1 Liberal
- a leading National Front figure (now dead)
- a Sinn Fein member
- 2 Buckingham Palace officials
- several figures with links to the Monday Club, a well known hard-right Conservative group
- 2 pop stars

If you read the Wikipedia entry for the Monday Club it seems that around the time Carol Kasir was speaking to the Naypic people (two years before her death e.g. 1988) the Monday club was having some internal problems and it seems there was an internal coup to try and regain control of the group by founding members - however the conservative party didn't formally try and publically disassociate itself from the monday club until 2001.

"In 1988–9, a group of longstanding members led by Gregory Lauder-Frost, the club's Foreign Affairs Committee chairman, succeeded in getting elected to the key posts on the Executive Council, with Dr. Mark Mayall as Deputy Chairman, and Lauder-Frost as the Political Secretary.

Executive Committee members Gregory Lauder-Frost, Denis Walker, Sam Swerling, Dr.Mark Mayall, April 1991.

At the beginning of January 1991, the Monday Club News announced the abolition of the only salaried position, that of Director (then held by the Club's Treasurer, Cedric Gunnery, one of the Club's founders). Although this was entirely due to the Club's precarious financial state,[55] some felt more sinister moves afoot. Negative news stories began emerging[56][57] and resignations followed. An internal investigation followed. The chairman, David Storey, lost an almost unanimous vote of no confidence on 17 January 1991, and his membership was terminated by the Club's Executive Council on 11 February on the grounds that "he has engaged in behaviour prejudicial to the best interests, reputation, objects, and other members of the Monday Club; by abusing his position as Chairman in encouraging members to leave the Monday Club and to join a new political group".[58][59] Dr. Mayall became Acting Chairman until the May AGM when he was confirmed in that post by election. By 1992, the new team had the national (as opposed to branches) membership over 1600 again.

Personal legal problems forced Lauder-Frost's departure on 31 May 1992 and subsequently the Club descended into in-fighting, with more departures and failed expulsion attempts resulting in huge legal bills. Dr. Mark Mayall's term as Chairman expired in April 1993 and he left the group. Control passed effectively into the hands of Denis Walker, a former Minister for Education in the Rhodesian government. He changed the role of the club from a pressure group to a Conservative Party support group, bringing in a rule that all members must firstly be members of the party, something that prior to 1992 had been constantly opposed."

This explains to me Cameron's previously inexplicable comment on This Morning where he appeared to call anyone accusing someone of being a paedophile as being homophobic???? (has anyone got a linke for this - I looked on Youtube - this was when Scholfield showed him the list and then had to apologise - think it's been wiped from the internet) - he must have known the extent to which Conservative party members and/or Monday Club members were implicated in this particular abuse ring otherwise his comment just didn't make sense in the context of Savile's victims being reported as 80% female.

MrsJREwing Fri 28-Dec-12 01:28:36

DM have letters between Savile and Thatcher, sadly some are redacted.

AnyaKnowIt Fri 28-Dec-12 12:40:17
AnyaKnowIt Wed 02-Jan-13 13:37:37

2 men have been arrested today

Feenie Wed 02-Jan-13 16:36:25

Jim Davidson is one - what a surprise.


AnyaKnowIt Wed 02-Jan-13 18:21:25


AnyaKnowIt Wed 02-Jan-13 18:23:12
Lockedout434 Wed 02-Jan-13 19:21:03
Lockedout434 Wed 02-Jan-13 19:21:55

Happy New Year everyone

Mrcrumpswife Wed 02-Jan-13 19:28:06

Happy new year everyone.

I'm not surprised at Jim Davidson either.

AnyaKnowIt Wed 02-Jan-13 20:42:35


More hospitals eh? Wonder if that would include the Childrens hospital * LockedOut* found?

AnyaKnowIt Wed 02-Jan-13 20:45:13
AnyaKnowIt Wed 02-Jan-13 20:49:36
Lockedout434 Wed 02-Jan-13 21:32:38

The Guido fawkes website comments are rather rabid!
They think it's all a Tory thing, unfortunately it is all parties from what I cam see. Which is no doubt why they ate all keeping quiet and it's only the backbenchers making a fuss.

The Scarborough I was just going to post myself.
The west yorkshire police are looking well dodgy.
Whipping posts and a high up people

Real Whitby has already published three articles on the subject; here – here – and here. In summary, by collating information from open sources and obtaining information from local people, Real Whitby investigative-journalists have identified eight locations in Scarborough and one in Whitby that were associated with Savile and the paedophile-ring of influential people that he operated there for over forty years.

It would appear that four of these locations are unknown to the police. The single location in Whitby still exists and is alleged to have had a whipping-post in it.

Also, a member of the public has used the ‘comments’ section of one Real Whitby article, to provide information on an alleged male rape by Savile, in which he was assisted by others of his circle.

Lockedout434 Wed 02-Jan-13 21:37:13

Oh for goodness sake
It's the north Yorkshire police
Can instead of cam
Are instead of ate.

You would have thought father Christmas could have stretched to an iPad for little old me.
I am blaming the additional cracks on the screen caused by over enthusiastic singing on nye.

AnyaKnowIt Wed 02-Jan-13 21:45:15
AnyaKnowIt Wed 02-Jan-13 22:08:45

He has been bailed til March

Wonder if he will still be on Celeb BB?

Feenie Wed 02-Jan-13 22:14:14

Doubt it - if he was bailed he would have to report to a police station every day.

minnieroll Wed 02-Jan-13 22:17:03

I'm still waiting for Timmy Mallet - surely he's next!!

AnyaKnowIt Wed 02-Jan-13 22:19:45

minnieroll - Really? Its not a game you know hmm

Lockedout434 Thu 03-Jan-13 06:39:00

Who is the other man charged?
Some sites are saying he is in radio.
How come jd name is released and the other isn't?

Minnieroll we try not to speculate on this thread as we don't want it pulled.

Lockedout434 Thu 03-Jan-13 06:43:14

Also these minor celebs are I think minows to what the main players are. All the enablers who were in positions of management who let it go on. They must be quite high up in organisations such as the judiciary, police, politics that's who I am waiting for.
I have a feeling I could be waiting a long long time

Lockedout434 Thu 03-Jan-13 06:56:50

Davidson was awarded the OBE in the New Year's Honours List 2001 for his services to charity.[10]

A former Master Freemason of the Chelsea Lodge (resigned),[11] Davidson was the founding Master of British Forces Foundation (Lodge) No. 9725.[11][12

Hmmm From wiki

Lockedout434 Thu 03-Jan-13 07:21:24

In Davidson's first autobiography The Full Monty[13] (1993), he frankly talked about his violent and abusive behaviour towards his wife in a light-hearted manner: "We’re like a couple of boxers. On the first occasion, I poked her in the eye by accident. I actually went for the mouth. Thank heaven I missed, I’d have fallen in. I just took a playful punch. Unfortunately I caught her completely wrong. The second time I gave her a shiner. I threw a bunch of keys which whacked her in the eye. Just for a giggle she kept blackening it up to make it look worse."

In his second autobiography Close to the Edge[14] (2001) he writes tales of his four marriages and six year battle against alcoholism. His ex-wife Alison Holloway's new husband Burt Kearns had plotted to have Davidson knee-capped as a result of his confession of battering Holloway.[15]

A wife batterer obe
Jesus what a complete and utter twat.

Lockedout434 Thu 03-Jan-13 07:33:57

I will look with interest in this years list.
How many abusers, rapists, wife batterers, racists, tax dodgers will be in this list of honours.
It appears if you raise £2.50 for charity or a few concerts for our troops it doesn't matter what you have done in the past.

That has really shocked me that he was given an OBE in 2001.
I am not even that much of a flag waver but the more you look into this the more rotten the whole thing is.

it's the same old message again and again - crimes against women don't count. it's fine. it's everywhere - like inviting that other woman beater into celeb bb.

Lockedout434 Thu 03-Jan-13 21:48:39

True it's always the womens fault
I have been searching for the 53 yr old who was also arrested only hints can I find.
Oh and madonna
def not her.

Lockedout434 Thu 03-Jan-13 22:16:58

Sheens Easton and Emma Thompson both born in 59 who would have thought they are the same age as madonna.

Lockedout434 Fri 04-Jan-13 07:03:21

Ok found through digital spy.
Won't post here but there is an article talking about his depression which gives some sympathy but he also appeared to be a bumptious annoying persona with fragile sense of self. Like most of them really.
Reading through the lines he also had a horrible reaction to divorce and his ex wife. Ie he was awful.

could you pm me that article please lockedout?

JoanByers Fri 04-Jan-13 13:59:50

Jim Davidson isn't making himself look very good by buggering off to Dubai.

Feenie Fri 04-Jan-13 14:29:45

Strange bail conditions, those. hmm

JoanByers Fri 04-Jan-13 16:16:39

The Roman Polanski bail conditions perhaps.

the 'not for the likes of us' bail conditions

Lockedout434 Fri 04-Jan-13 18:35:58

Swallowed Have just pm'd
Hope it works

Lockedout434 Fri 04-Jan-13 18:39:07

Well Dubai has an extradition treaty with the uk so he can be called back with some expense I suppose.

thanks lockedout. self pitying article that tried to be all look i acknowledge my fault and then showed real attitudes when actually it was all about how women should spell things out clearly because poor lickle men aren't capable of understanding anything for themselves and us women don't talk about how we really feel hmm then he goes on to say that when women want to talk men don't listen?!?

essentially under all of these cases and all of the dv, child abuse, sexual crimes against women etc etc their is this reeking sense of privilige and entitlement. women and children aren't real whole human beings for these people but things to pleasure/serve/obey them.

bunchamunchycrunchycarrots Sat 05-Jan-13 11:30:44

Could either of you PM me the article? I think I recognise parts of what you have commented on, and would like to see if it matched what I've heard from elsewhere. Thanks,

AnyaKnowIt Sat 05-Jan-13 13:10:08

Hang on, he has gone back to Dubai?


Lockedout434 Sat 05-Jan-13 16:50:43


Rape described with comedian and NBC bod
I don't remember seeing this before it's from october

have no idea who that's referring to - weird it was back in october but never saw it or heard more.

Feenie Sat 05-Jan-13 17:49:40

I would say it definitely refers to the arrests made this week.

neither of those were bbc presenters though were they?

Feenie Sat 05-Jan-13 18:21:18

Jim Davidson presented both Pot Black and the Generation Game (inexplicably - why did the BBC need a flagship racist/misogynist presenter? confused)

oh yes of course he did - he just seems so un-bbc i auto-assumed he was an itv guy.

no idea who the celebrity friend is then - presumably the unnamed man who was arrested at the same time.

Feenie Sat 05-Jan-13 18:30:37

Indeed - have seen his name on DI forums, he isn't that well known but I recognised his face when I saw it.

Lockedout434 Sat 05-Jan-13 23:13:01

Guido Fawkes has named the 80 year old in his blog. He is saying that there wasn't an injunction on the name, but it was due to the leav

Lockedout434 Sat 05-Jan-13 23:14:59

Guido Fawkes has named the 80 year old in his blog. He is saying that there wasn't an injunction on the name, but it was due to the leavenson effect.

Lockedout434 Sat 05-Jan-13 23:39:02

Swallowed I tried to answer you via pm but it would carry the links so .here goes.....

I always feel unclean after reading this forum.
Don't know why but I don't feel safe there. A sort of ouiji board affect, I know it's a load of bollocks but it might true and they might come and get me.
Daft but ..... T
Two links I prefer the 2nd one

Lockedout434 Sat 05-Jan-13 23:41:05

The Sunday mirror front page has £20m savile missing money.

As the saying goes follow the money!!!


Lockedout434 Sun 06-Jan-13 00:05:09


It would seem obvious that he would have stashed the cash.
£4.3 million doesn't seem much after all that vast career

Feenie Sun 06-Jan-13 00:16:24

Guido Fawkes has named the 80 year old in his blog. He is saying that there wasn't an injunction on the name, but it was due to the leavenson effect.

Yes, Mark Williams Thomas said the same thing.

Lockedout434 Mon 07-Jan-13 01:05:33

Scary shit


The Press have been chasing Mary Moss as well as a secret operation police force Fairbank because they are all actively seeking information about the death of one of Mary's cases when she worked for National Association of Young People In Care. The case was of a mother Carol Cazier who was separated from her children and in exposing why she is believed to have been killed by the police. Leon Britain and Ted Heath were named at her inquest as being involved in child abuse. The organization asked to meet with the Prime Minister about the matter and were told by letter he was busy but that the Home Office would respond. The Home Office today responded and said simply to meet with the police. Ignoring all the issues raised about witness protection. This ignored the fact that NN/YP's officer Mary Moss was Carol Cazier's case worker at the time of her death in 1991. NN/YP want Government reassurances funding that has been withdrawn for 20 years because of this very issue and witness protection in order to hand over the information containing the names of 25 police officers involved at the time. Please ask David Cameron to meet with the orgainization with their protection in mind and the protection of all those young people who they will be actively gathering information on, as being victims at the time too. We are all still in danger unless we have reassurances that the police are not doing this secret operation as a cover up! The abusers have the right to legal protection, the victims none!!!

Mrcrumpswife Mon 07-Jan-13 11:48:56

I just came on here after seeing the same thing on the DI site. I have seen the letter sent to the met police from Mary requesting some sort of response. Its unbelieveable that it appears the Government is still hoping this will all fade away. I wish the mainstream media would do their job and whack this on the front of the national newspapers.

The main man over at DI who i had been following appears to have died over xmas, it really upset me. They are all determined to expose how bloody corrupt this country is, i just hope they get a breakthrough via the MS press soon, they are doing a much better job at joining the dots than the paperssad

Maybe Mumsnetters will sit up and take notice if they read it over their cornflakes!!

Mrcrumpswife Mon 07-Jan-13 11:55:47

Mark Williams-Thomas &#8207;@mwilliamsthomas
@GerardTubbSky He certainly made a lot of money. I was told a percentage that he would always take from charity jobs #Savile
16h Gerard Tubb &#8207;@GerardTubbSky
@mwilliamsthomas "Jimmy Savile Ltd" is interesting. '74 book copyright is credited to it, & relatives claimed to work for it. Does it exist?
15h Mark Williams-Thomas &#8207;@mwilliamsthomas
@GerardTubbSky Interesting don't know ?
15h Gerard Tubb &#8207;@GerardTubbSky
@mwilliamsthomas There's no record of it on the companies house register. Claims of working for it were made recently I'm told
15h Mark Williams-Thomas &#8207;@mwilliamsthomas
@GerardTubbSky Umh - mattress !!
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@mwilliamsthomas Forensic accountants would be interested in an apparently non-existent ltd company I reckon
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I thought i'd post up a conversation between MWT and Sky reporter. They seem to have finally picked up the fact that JS had registered business's in the 70's. This has been on the DI forum for months. I would have thought forensic accountants would already be trawling through JS's finances, obviously notconfused

Mrcrumpswife Mon 07-Jan-13 14:49:30

The names of some of those who visited Elm Guest House-operation Fairbank.

Dont panic, only the dead ones listed so far, nothing libelous!


A few very familiar names that have continuously cropped up so no great surprises.

seems clear he'd be the 'mattress' type. this is a man who had expensive cars and watches so he could carry wealth him so whatever happened he'd at least have £100k on him that he could run with (he said this himself).

the jim d business is having it's desired effect on people from the conversations i hear of making them think oh this is just getting silly now, they were in their 20's, it's turning into a witch hunt yada yada. i have been risking been labelled a tin hat type by pointing out that this is all deliberate distraction and minimising whilst ignoring the big fish and throwing us tiddlers.

Lockedout434 Mon 07-Jan-13 23:18:34

Mrcrumpswife I was sad to hear of Anders death as well But the thing with the di site that amongst the nuggets of good information there is lot of weirdness and paranoia which scares me every so often. Some of it is so far fetched as to be bordering on schizophrenia delusions. Ie it's all a Jewish/establishment/lizard plot. They appear to see conspiracy in everything.

Saying that, just because I am paranoid doesnt mean they arent out to get me.
If you know what I mean?

Lockedout434 Mon 07-Jan-13 23:22:49

So back to links and stuff. Did anyone see john leslie


The 47-year-old was arrested and charged in 2002 after a string of women claimed he had sexually assaulted them. He was cleared of the charges the following year.

Lockedout434 Mon 07-Jan-13 23:54:17
Lockedout434 Mon 07-Jan-13 23:59:44

Are we being groomed into remembering the few who have been accused but
"walked free without a stain on their character" to quote john leslie himself.
As compared to the many who were never believed.

Mrcrumpswife Tue 08-Jan-13 10:25:50

*Saying that, just because I am paranoid doesnt mean they arent out to get me.
If you know what I mean?*

Lol, thats exactly how i feel!

A lot of the reptillian/Jewish shit has stopped over on DI now thank goodness as it does get harder to take the whole thing seriously. I'm hoping Anders has bowed out as he went public and maybe felt that he had outed himself too much but sadly i dont think thats the casesad 4 million hits over on DI so its a hell of a legacy for him to leave.

I'm not sure if you went on yesterday but they have really taken a massive step forward. I wont say anything on here but if you do you will see why every political party is desperate for this whole thing to sod off.

Jim Davidson, Stuart Hall etc are a mini diversion from the real problem this country faces.

Lockedout434 Tue 08-Jan-13 23:07:16


There is something about Irving that keeps pinging something in my memory banks but I can't think what.
Any help from anyone would be gratefully received.

Lockedout434 Wed 09-Jan-13 08:20:45

There is a report out from Birmingham uni? Re sex offenders are not getting help in prison.
I just caught the end of it on 5 live did anyone else hear.

So we can't catch them, if we do we can't prosecute them, if we do we we jail them in open prisons or they are visited by jimmy. When they are in there the aren't helped to address their behaviours. We then let them out the same as they were when they went in. But now with a network of like minded people.


Lockedout434 Wed 09-Jan-13 08:21:41

And the government is privatising the probation. Services.

and from what i've been reading most of the big wigs in developing treatment, clinics, etc for them over the years have turned out to be in the club themselves hmm

the amount of paedophile apologists in the form of academics, judiciary etc who surprise, surprise turn out to be paedophiles themselves is... well not that surprising really except that it seems too obvious to be true iyswim.

Mrcrumpswife Wed 09-Jan-13 20:02:08


This has been all over our local news. Absolutely sickening how they gagged the press again. Thank goodness for a judge with some sense.

and their lie that they acted immediately when in fact it took them days to decide then a further seven days to actually remove her.

hopefully the other child mentioned (who tried to strangle the little girl allegedly) was removed then too.

DollyTwat Wed 09-Jan-13 21:21:38

Lockedout that's an old report, Charles Irving died years ago
He was the conservative mp for cheltenham, very popular too
The gp they mention did get done for prescribing drugs and also he was addicted himself. This was years ago

AnyaKnowIt Wed 09-Jan-13 21:27:52


Heartbreaking to read but some of the comments remind me of something...

AnyaKnowIt Wed 09-Jan-13 21:28:01
Lockedout434 Wed 09-Jan-13 22:53:11


Oh that is so horrific and so so sad.

AnyaKnowIt Wed 09-Jan-13 23:21:10

Isn't Dumbane in the Central belt?

bunchamunchycrunchycarrots Wed 09-Jan-13 23:28:37

Yes it is.

Lockedout434 Wed 09-Jan-13 23:51:53

Dolly twat I know it was ages ago but there is something pinging in my head about Irving and savile

DollyTwat Thu 10-Jan-13 00:05:23

Hmm I'll ask my dad what he remembers of Irving then

Lockedout434 Thu 10-Jan-13 00:05:31

This is from the urban75 site. It made me feel brave. I hope it might give people courage and hope.


My disclosure was initially made to the local police force in the area the offences had taken place. I didn't particularly want to speak to anyone, so I found a Web form to fill in (by googling the area plus "police email"), and very briefly summarised the nature of my allegation. There were various options for contact details - email, address, phone numbers, etc, which I also filled in.

The form had said it was not to be used for reporting a crime, but I chose to ignore that, as I didn't feel like discussing it over the phone with a possibly sceptical and unsympathetic police officer.

The next weekday, I got a call from my local police, with a message from a sergeant asking me to get in touch to arrange to go to the local station to make a statement.

I was particularly struck by several things. Firstly, he was consistently going out of his way to be reassuring: given my general view of, and experience with, the police, this was surprising to me. Secondly, it was clearly a priority to get this done ASAP: he changed his shift in order to get it done as fast as possible.


When I got down to the police station (which, being a satellite station in a rural area, was closed), I was met by the sergeant, who continued to be very - verging on the painfully - supportive, offered a cup of tea, etc. Then we sat down and he, quite painstakingly, explained the procedure. I think I made his job a little easier when I explained that, as part of my professional role, child protection was something I was familiar with - and I think that background and knowledge probably helped me, too.

I then spent two hours giving my statement. To some extent, he directed the process by asking questions which I answered: it was clear that he wasn't much of a typist, so he took very brief notes while I spoke, then went back to the computer and typed them in to the statement, offering me the option to correct or amend what he was writing as the process went along.

I was asked for details of what had occurred, the timeframe (ie ages between), and an indication of the number of incidents, etc. Obviously, given the amount of time that has passed, there were many things I could not be completely specific about, but that seemed perfectly acceptable, and the statement contained quite a few "I think that I recall..." entries. I was also asked for as detailed a description of the circumstances, layout of house, description of room, that I could give, as he told me that in the absence of corroboration (this being a historical case), the local police would probably visit the premises and attempt to corroborate my description with the reality. Fortunately, I was able to remember addresses and give detailed descriptions of the rooms. He also wanted physical descriptions of the people I was making allegations against, which I was a little less clear on, strangely.

One thing that I was surprised by was the way in which he frequently returned to my perceptions of the effect that the offences I was alleging to have taken place had had on me, both at the time, and subsequently - I think I was expecting the process to be far more fact-based and clunkily procedural than that. We went into some detail as to what those effects had been, and a significant part of the statement covered them. He told me at the end that it was usual to complete a "Victim Impact Statement" as well as a statement of allegations, but that in this case we had covered both at the same time, hence his interest in the effects - the impact statement is read out in court (assuming it gets that far) following conviction and is considered during the sentencing process.

The final two questions he asked me were "Why did you wait so long to report it?", and "Why now?". He seemed quite satisfied that my reason for not making disclosure earlier was a feeling that it would not be taken seriously, and a desire not to rake it all up again, and as my reason for making the statement now I mentioned the Savile case, the discussions on this thread (he was quite exercised about the idea that investigating historical abuse cases was a "waste of resources", hem hem hem), and that those had prompted me to Google the perpetrator and discover that he was a) still alive, and b) had already been convicted of some offences.

One slightly amusing bit was that when he had asked me these questions, and got very comprehensive answers from me, he pushed the keyboard over to me and said "You'd better type that in - I think you can do a much better job of putting it into words than me". I ended up not only doing that, but spell-checking and tweaking the rest of the statement.

I was then given a couple of leaflets (which I haven't read yet) about the process. He informed me that the next step was for the statement to go back to the investigating force, who would almost certainly arrest the parties against whom I had made allegations, and interview them under caution. He was careful to point out that it may not go any further, and that I should not anticipate that it would go to court or result in conviction - although he seemed quite keen on the idea that I might want to face my abuser(s) in court! - but that at the very least they would be aware that an allegation had been made and was being treated seriously.

And that was it: I came out of the police station, 2½ hours and two cups of tea later, picked up a takeaway curry, and came home. Drained

I do hope that if there is anyone out there who is in the situation I was in, of having been on the receiving end of offences perpetrated so long ago (in my case, we're talking about offences that started 40 years ago, in the early 1970s), they will feel encouraged to report them. I do wish I had made allegations at the time (although both the police officer and I agreed that it was likely they would not have been taken as seriously then as they would be now), and I certainly wish that I had gone to the police 20 years ago when the repressed memories of what had happened began to return. Some of the offences for which one of the perpetrators was convicted took place after that point, and I am somewhat troubled by the idea that, had I reported them sooner, some children might have been spared my experiences.

I may have been lucky in getting a particularly helpful police officer, but I did get the impression that, organisationally, the police are a LOT more willing to take allegations of abuse - even historical ones - seriously, now, and I would urge anyone who is not sure to consider making a disclosure.

I have deliberately gone very light on details here, for all kinds of reasons, but if anyone wants a bit more encouragement or information, feel free to PM me and I'll do what I can.

that's a great post and i hope it encourages some people.

i have two main things that i suppose in theory i could report. one which happened when i was a young child however is pointless as i recently found out that the perpetrator committed suicide many years ago and it also turns out that his father was a known paedophile - this info came out of a casual chat with someone who grew up on the same street as me and was recalling families there at the time. i left that chat reeling a bit and must admit it stirred things up in my head and left me with some weird mixed feelings, some of which surprised me.

the other was later in my early teens and the police did get involved at the time but couldn't prosecute or do anything because i wasn't willing to testify. hope i don't regret blurting this out on mn but the report someone linked to on here the other day where the parents were devastated that their teen daughter had been targeted, groomed and brainwashed by a man in his twenties and police could do nothing because she wouldn't testify against was very close to home for me. i can remember the police being desperate for me to be willing to report etc but i wouldn't - i was still at the stage of thinking this child abuser was my 'boyfriend'. the police were candid about his history but i couldn't think straight. i got myself out of the situation not that long afterwards with support from a youth worker i trusted and a member of staff at school.

i must admit i'm now thinking 'what if he's still doing this'.... i have googled his name, the area, the kind of offences etc and found nothing. it's also slightly complicated by the fact that he was rumoured to be HIV+ - he was a haemophiliac and it was alleged that his money (driving around in a lotus esprit never having worked) was compensation for infection by blood transfusion. so part of me has tended to assume he was dead. when i finally got away from him i had to go through months of repeated HIV testing which was pretty terrifying as, essentially, a child and even when they gave me the HIV test when pregnant with my son (over 15 years on) i was still really nervous about the result.

sorry now i have started i can't seem to stop. how do you find out if someone is dead or alive? all i have is his name and the street he lived on with his (fully complicit) mother at the time.

i know i was far from the first and damn sure i wasn't the last.

not sure if i should have posted that but i'm not gonna get it deleted. i was a child - i was stupid yes but i was a child and vulnerable to this kind of targeting for several reasons that were not of my making. it was also a very, long time ago and i'm obviously a very different person now.

boschy Thu 10-Jan-13 09:24:12

swallowed I hear you, you are a brave lady. sorry I cant be more help, but I hope you find what you need.

i don't need anything really - i'm ok and it is a long time ago. it's just that this stuff throws up the question of whether i have a responsibility to find out if he is still alive, if there is any chance he could still be offending etc. i saw a friend of his many years later in a pub and he tried to be all jokey with me and talk about when i used to 'go out with' his mate (this guy was very similar) and i surprised myself by totally not going along with it and stating that he wasn't my boyfriend but a paedophile.

cue awkward silence from other people there and i suspect annoyance at me for saying something so outrageous.

bleurgh!! just bleurgh!!!

the whole 'we should lower the age of consent', 'that 12 year old was asking for it' culture makes me sick. note they are never suggesting that men should be able to shag 12 year old boys and get away with it yet having sex with female children is somehow fine/understandable/natural etc. we really, really need to get rid of the patriarchal/misogynistic culture in the judiciary.

thanks for replying though boschy - not nice having a post like that dangling at the end of a thread smile

Lockedout434 Thu 10-Jan-13 18:36:36

Oh swallowed, it's awful when you look back. You shouldn't be embarrassed about that post. Bravery comes in different guises and it's right to share to speak up. If we all do then we have the power back. It's them who should be cowering in embarrassment .
You could easily open up that case again the police have the evidence of your witness statement all those years ago. It might be filed somewhere. But it's up to you. It's your choice.
My minor abuser ( if you know what I mean grabber rather than anything else )is dead and the man who raped me was in a foreign country. So luckily I don't have that dilemma.
I can announce on here but have never told my mother , father or partner, due to me not wanting to deal with their emotions really.

Hmmmm there is a lot of it about . There was a thread a bit ago asking how old we're you when you were flashed it was amazing how many pages there were and the average age was 9 ish.

AnyaKnowIt Thu 10-Jan-13 22:25:46
Mrcrumpswife Fri 11-Jan-13 10:39:23
Mrcrumpswife Fri 11-Jan-13 11:44:01

*7.12 There is no clear evidence of Savile operating within a paedophile ring although
whether he was part of an informal network is part of the continuing investigation
and it’s not therefore appropriate to comment further on this at this time.*

Part of the report.

Lets hope they do continue to investigate this aspect of whole thing as i dont believe for one minute that any man without protection could get away with any of this for over 50 years when he was such a public figure.

Lockedout434 Fri 11-Jan-13 12:45:50

No paedophile ring!

In 5 live nicky Campbell asked if saville acted alone.
She said that in some cases he didn't there were others both assisting and joining in.
Jimmy with a brother who was an close friend of boothby as was jimmy. A regular visitor of jersey as was Montgomery, Heath. A person who frequented children's homes and took advantage of young vulnerable girls. Such as islington elm house
Bollocks join the fucking dots up and they won't be a ring they will be a spiders web.
Join the dots

Mrcrumpswife Fri 11-Jan-13 12:52:11

Yep, thought that would wind you up aswellgrin

Its unbelieveable how far they will go to set up another whitewash.

The Elm House case is growing in momentum pretty fast via the internet now that the list has been released but who knows how far they will get with that if the mainsteam media still refuse to report it.

Is there a savile blackout on MN, other than this post? Maybe child abuse is best avoided on a parenting forumconfused

Lockedout434 Fri 11-Jan-13 12:57:43

1.9 Not all the victims who have come forward have been interviewed by police.
However the patterns and similarities of the offences and behaviours that have come to light so far have given police and NSPCC staff an informed view that most people have provided compelling accounts of what happened to them. It should be recognised that others will also have experienced abuse but have chosen not to speak out.

They have not investigated that bit so they can't say there is no evidence.

white wash warning!!!! white wash warning!!!!!

Lockedout434 Fri 11-Jan-13 13:00:55

If it is one persons word agaisnt someone from 40 years ago it sticks that they don't go to court

but if there are are more people who can corroberate what happened to them and it falls into a pattern then they should be prosecuted

1.10 We therefore consider it pragmatic to present this report in as factual a way as possible given that the information provided has not been corroborated. Further investigation seeking corroboration of individual allegations, the majority dating back many years, is considered disproportionate when there is no prospect of criminal proceedings.

Mrcrumpswife Fri 11-Jan-13 13:04:47

Its the phrase 'there is no clear evidence' that really pisses me off. What evidence do they need other than apparently a signed confession with all dates and details includedangry The word clear is definitely well thought out to cover their arses for the future inquiry in 40 years time which will then disclose how corrupt they all are.

Sky are constantly putting the pic of JS and Thatcher up. I wonder if they are all waiting for her to drop off her perch before releasing any details of dead MPs linked to him via her cabinet. I can only hope thats the motive for the deafening silence.

Lockedout434 Fri 11-Jan-13 13:05:53

stinks not sticks

2.9 Whilst the NSPCC Helpline was contacted by some people who had previously reported their concerns and wished to alert the authorities again, the majority of people had never spoken about their experiences to the authorities until now. The reasons cited for this were varied and included the fear of not being believed and a lack of trust in statutory agencies or feeling that the justice system would be ineffective in prosecuting the offender.

No shit sherlock

Lockedout434 Fri 11-Jan-13 19:21:22

Mrcrump I do feel as if it's just me you and swallowed.

Though there are a few lurkers (waves weakly)

DollyTwat Fri 11-Jan-13 19:22:56

I'm here!
I spend far too much time on the DI site

Feenie Fri 11-Jan-13 19:54:41

Me too smile

AnyaKnowIt Fri 11-Jan-13 20:13:23

Sky are constantly putting the pic of JS and Thatcher up. I wonder if they are all waiting for her to drop off her perch before releasing any details of dead MPs linked to him via her cabinet. I can only hope thats the motive for the deafening silence.

That would not surprise me at all

Mrcrumpswife Fri 11-Jan-13 20:13:41

dolly and Feenie thats such a relief. I was beginning to think nobody except us caredsad

HelpOneAnother Fri 11-Jan-13 20:29:36

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

boschy Fri 11-Jan-13 21:25:13

I care, but I lurk because I cant usually think of anything constructive to say...

Mrcrumpswife Fri 11-Jan-13 21:28:03

Hi help and Boschy i dont have much constructive to say either but its good to know you are heresmile

SinisterSal Fri 11-Jan-13 21:45:48

I'm a lurker too. Its nit just ye that care ... the. Hospice thing really shook me today. Can't stop thinking abouthat poor person in their last days and this awful black slime come to destroy any bit of peace they might have attained .. there are no fucking words really. Sorry, a pointless post. Just to day there are lurkers who care and are grateful for the work you are putting in. (Though am a scaredy. Cat myself and not following the links)

AnyaKnowIt Fri 11-Jan-13 22:33:11

Just watching Channel Island news, they are launching a new investigation into the abuse comitted on the Islands.

ProzacHelps Fri 11-Jan-13 23:33:29

On newsnight tonight they talked about the possibility of victims receiving compensation footed by the tax payer. Where is all the money JS pocketed over the years? The victims deserve compensation and if JS had millions in his bank account it should be used to compensate the people he abused.

ElectricSheep Sat 12-Jan-13 00:47:53

I've been reading/lurking too.

swallow you asked how you find out if someone was alive, I think it might be easier to search for their death if you know their full name and dob.


Lockedout434 Sat 12-Jan-13 01:16:00

Hello you. Lovely lovely lurkers and to Anya the most prolific poster for some reason I forgot to mention earlier.
Kisses and hugs

boschy Sat 12-Jan-13 07:15:36

The thing is, it's all outside anything I've ever experienced, you know? (for which I am very fortunate). But I have 2 pretty teenage daughters... and well you know what I mean I hope.

boschy Sat 12-Jan-13 07:51:39

And I know whether they are pretty or not is irrelevant, just protective mummy stuff coming out!

why do they assume a 'paedophile ring' and 'an informal network' are two different things? is it not a ring unless they all sit in a circle and sing songs and do rituals? an informal network of paedophiles working together to exploit, rape and abuse children is a fucking paedophile ring ffs.

it's not the time to play games with semantics.

seriously though what would constitute a ring and what an informal network? to my mind of course it would be an informal network - it's illegal activity so it's not going to be formal is it!

thanks for link btw electricsheep - i don't know date of birth - i can't even be sure what his age was as he lied and lied - first pretending to be late teens, then i found out he had to be at least early 20's and then i was told he was late 20's. god knows.

i have a meeting with someone from the police for work next week. i could ask (without revealing it's me - could be one of my students for all they know) what one would do. we'll see. i can remember the name of one of the police officers who came to my house i think - he was very involved because allegedly his daughter had been one of this guys victims sad apparently i was her spitting image. seedy bloody business.

boschy Sat 12-Jan-13 18:26:18

swallowed hang on in there....

AnyaKnowIt Sat 12-Jan-13 18:48:48

Swallowed Ask them for an 'off the record' chat. See what they say.

I can't work out what the difference between a peado ring and an informal network are either hmm

Mrcrumpswife Sat 12-Jan-13 19:32:53

I dont think there is a difference, its just a play on words to distract everyone from the reality that the British establishment has allowed a massive network of paedophiles in high places get away with whatever they wanted.

I have finally managed to get my family interested by mentioning the fact that Jeremy Beadle raised over 100 million for charity and didnt receive Royal honours or the same level of regard as Savile did allegedly because of his tireless charity work. It just shows there had to be far more to Savile than offering 40 million to hospitals for him to reach the dizzy heights of untouchable.

I'm not even sure what forum it was that mentioned Beadles charity work but an off the cuff comment got them thinking. Beadle was far more poplular in the 80's/90's than Savile yet sadly died without any great fanfare. He obviously didnt move in the right circles or know the right infoconfused My Mums ears pricked up without the normal eye roll!! She even asked about her 1960's pop idol, shame he's a pervert aswellshock

Lockedout434 Sat 12-Jan-13 20:06:06

From the dm ages ago
No ring just a collective then

And from Guy Marsden, Jimmy Savile’s nephew.

At 13, Guy and three friends hitch-hiked to London ‘for an adventure’. They returned home about five weeks later but regularly ran away to the capital for similar periods.

On the first trip in 1967, the group of boys went to Euston Station and were quickly invited to a grubby flat by men who recognised them as easy prey, although Guy says he was never abused.

‘About four days later’, Jimmy Savile turned up at the flat where they were staying.  ’He recognised me and I thought “this is it, I’m going to get in big trouble here”.  I hadn’t been in touch with my parents to tell them where I was.  But Uncle Jimmy just took us away to a much better place’. Savile turned up by coincidence at the address because he mixed with ‘fellow child molester’, said Guy.

The group of runaways ended up in a fabulous house – believed to belong to a famous pop impresario – with a big indoor swimming pool. The celebrity home was one of the party venues.

‘At night you would get about 15 or 20 people turning up. There would be music and tables full of food, we couldn’t believe it. There was everything we needed and we just hung around.

‘At first we automatically assumed the children lived there, but we soon realised they didn’t. They would be brought there, sometimes by Uncle Jimmy, and would stay for six or seven hours until 3 or 4am. They were just little kids, boys and girls.

‘Two or three would go off and come back later. The really strange thing was that they didn’t come out the bedrooms kicking and screaming. None of them seemed to be in any distress, but there is no doubt at all in my mind what they were being used for.

Savile’s nephew Guy said children would be brought to house parties, ‘sometimes by Uncle Jimmy, and would stay for six or seven hours until 3 or 4am. They were just little kids, boys and girls.’

‘They used to say they were “playing.” You heard sounds and moans and groans coming from the bedroom and knew what was going on.’

Guy said he believed he and his friends were there to ‘keep the kids happy’. He said: ‘I didn’t think anything about it at the time, maybe because there was no such thing as paedophiles back then. I never saw Jimmy Savile sexually abuse any of the children, but as far as I am concerned he was part of a paedophile ring at those parties.’

it's total semantic bs imo.

informal network means yes they are working together and are a network but what? they're not a ltd company? don't have a shared bank account?

utter nonsense.

i want an informal network of child rapists dealt with, not to be told it's somehow not a big deal because it's not what - formal?

there is a police officer on mn isn't there? i've forgotten her name but have seen her give useful advice to women on here before.

Mrcrumpswife Sat 12-Jan-13 21:06:56

Is she Vicar something?

yes! maybe vicarintutu or something like that?

just did a search - that is her name. wonder if she'd mind a pm

Mrcrumpswife Sat 12-Jan-13 21:50:50

postimage.org/image/52yxlruoz/ someone has shared the notes now with them turned the right way round sad hard reading.

AnyaKnowIt Sat 12-Jan-13 22:09:13

Whats that Swallowed?

Mrcrumpswife Sat 12-Jan-13 22:21:11

I couldnt believe the lists.

I have just tried to find MMs response to an incorrect blog about her story. It explains from start to finish how she has the paperwork and why she has put it online. I'll go back and have another look. She is one very brave lady.

AnyaKnowIt Sat 12-Jan-13 22:22:26


Mrcrumpswife Sat 12-Jan-13 22:25:19

Scroll past the trust the police for now bit and read the response underneath from MM. It clears up all the crap being speculated about. she is one angry but very determined woman.


Hope the link works

Mrcrumpswife Sat 12-Jan-13 22:27:39

The paperwork is the original notes with the lists of who visited Elm Guest house. It has been posted online.

The names on it are mostly those named on thread 4 that was deleted but its still a bit of a shock seeing them in black and white.

Mrcrumpswife Sat 12-Jan-13 22:30:25

This is the best blog that explains all the links between these people without anything dodgy on it, especially for sinistersalgrin


ILoveOnionRings Sat 12-Jan-13 22:39:10

I am here too (as well as trying to catch up on the DI site -which incidently was down for the last hour)

I also don't believe for one nansecond he acted alone - how can an investigation involving 600 claims be conducted in 3months - if he is responsible for 450 of the claims who is investigating the other 150 - it is utter rubbish!!!!

What has happened is what I believed would happen in the beginning - a quick investigation, no one else involved - lets keep the public happy that something as done and boxes were ticked. It is utter tripe

Mrcrumpswife Sat 12-Jan-13 22:42:05

At least with the Sunday Express going with the satanic ring it now makes it mainstream. Maybe more people will sit up and start asking questions about how he got away with it and who facilitated his protection.

AnyaKnowIt Sat 12-Jan-13 23:29:07

Looks like Savile is on a few of the front pages tomorrow.

The daily star are saying 7 more 'stars' will be arrested.

Thank for that link MrCrumps Making my way through it now.