Newport polling station registers 0 votes for police commissioner

(69 Posts)

blush yes its my one...

In my defence though, I did register for a postal vote that never arrived!

LaVolcan Fri 16-Nov-12 15:16:39

It's a bit of a farce, isn't it? To have an election which no-one wanted, for candidates that no-one knows anything about, at a time when cuts are being made left, right and centre. Who's stupid idea was it?

When I went up yesterday evening about 40 people had already been, whereas normally a few hundred would have voted by then.

If my vote had arrived I might have looked into it, but I dont know anything about it at all. grin

CogitoErgoSometimes Fri 16-Nov-12 15:53:35

Presumably the people of Newport will get the police commissioner they want in the next town... and will then complain when they don't do a good job. Realise the election wasn't well timed or publicised (and postal votes shouldn't go astray) but opting out of democracy is usually an own goal.

ByTheWay1 Fri 16-Nov-12 16:01:39

How sad

confuddledDOTcom Fri 16-Nov-12 17:35:23

I know a lot of people who didn't vote on principle. We weren't letter box dropped, we didn't have "party political broadcast" type info, there was nothing unless you searched for it yourself and one person told me today they applied to each of our candidates to ask what they stand for etc and only got one reply. I have to admit for a long time I thought it was going to be a TV show thing the way it was being plugged on TV. If they want us to vote they need to tell us what we're voting for!

Confuddled, are you here too?

confuddledDOTcom Fri 16-Nov-12 18:20:24

No, this isn't my local, we had about a 12% turn out which is pretty low.

HappyTurquoise Fri 16-Nov-12 18:25:05

17% turnout in Gloucestershire. It was close enough to have to look at 2nd votes and then it was won by the independent candidate.

It wasn't Bettws was it? I used to live there and don't think I ever saw another soul at polling stations (apart from staff, obviously).

omletta Fri 16-Nov-12 18:29:21

Don't know what our turn out was but there wasn't a single person around when I went to spoil my ballot at 5.30, normally the busiest time.

Yep joyful come to think of it, I've never seen anyone else vote at normal elections either?!

piprabbit Fri 16-Nov-12 18:54:53

The staff at my station were visibly gobsmacked when I showed up to vote.
I think they'd had a nice quiet day.

ByTheWay1 Fri 16-Nov-12 19:01:13

Yep - in Gloucestershire the one with the most first choice votes ended up coming second...

because MOST people put their political affiliation first followed by the independent candidate as their second choice.... so most people's second choice won... this election gets better and better.... not......

(but I actually gave my first choice to the guy who won eventually anyway so woohooo.... ish.... I think.... confused )

OliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 16-Nov-12 19:16:26

I have to say I am shocked at my birthplace the small Welsh town of Newpooooort
grin

bigwombat Fri 16-Nov-12 19:25:20

grin Olivia!

I'll see your Newport State of Mind and raise you Fresh Prince of Cwmbran...

Olivia is from Newport?! shock
I guess that explains the gin... wink

We are a city now though, dontcha know

NulliusInBlurba Fri 16-Nov-12 20:10:06

Ooh, Olivia, you is from Newpaaaart, is it?

I'm neither shocked nor surprised at the zero interest in politics in certain parts of the glorious host of the Ryder Cup 2010.

If it wasn't Bettws it might have been Ringland... <considers prejudices about certain parts of Newport>

Does Pontypool now have its own tribute song? If not, why not? Surely a gap in the market.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

MaryMotherOfCheeses Fri 16-Nov-12 20:11:45

grin

[heart] rhys and eggsy

Nullius, tbh, i'm just surprised anyone in newport voted!

Bongaloo Fri 16-Nov-12 20:26:43

It's unfortunate that the voting has been so soon after the police have been shown to be corrupt.

NulliusInBlurba Fri 16-Nov-12 20:31:28

Erm, no Bongaloo, that wouldn't have affected the attitude of many Newportonians one way or the other. Now raising the duty on booze or fags - that would have them up in arms.

juneau Fri 16-Nov-12 20:35:31

I always normally vote, but this PCC thing was ridiculous. No one came to the door explaining why they were standing and who they were. No one put a flyer through our door. I don't read the local paper so I can't tell you whether there were profiles of the candidates in there, but if there is no publicity and no one knows who's standing or what for, is it any wonder that hardly anyone bothered to vote?

hugoagogo Fri 16-Nov-12 20:46:29

I didn't vote and I always vote, but I had no idea who was standing, so how could I possibly make a decision? What a farce!

There was some mention of a pink leaflet through the door, but we didn't get one.hmm

Llareggub Fri 16-Nov-12 20:50:31

I'm pretty sure you are capable of using the Internet to do some fairly basic research into the candidates in order to exercise your democratic rights? Leafleting is carried out by party volunteers, so if you didn't get a leaflet it's because some muppet decided that cold, wet, dark November was an excellent time of year to hold an election.

I voted. I would never not vote.

hugoagogo Fri 16-Nov-12 20:58:56

Well yes I could have researched it, but I am also doubtful that I am/ the general public in general are qualified to make this decision.

Not to mention; that although I am more than capable of a bit of internet research in order to help me make a choice, but this is not the case for everyone in the country.

BrianButterfield Fri 16-Nov-12 21:03:55

I always vote and I didn't this time. I found out about the candidates and just could not make a decision. I disliked the fact they were party-affiliated and felt under-informed about the actual job; and I am an intelligent person who is probably more interested in politics than average.

chicaguapa Fri 16-Nov-12 21:15:07

Not sure what the public thinks it has achieved tbh with their staying at home and spoilt votes. So now we have a bunch of PCCs that no-one wanted in the first place and in reality didn't get elected properly either because people thought they were making some kind of stand by not voting.

Everyone knew it was a shambles but the ConDems don't give two hoots how many people voted. Even better for them that people who oppose their views & ideas didn't use their vote.

Who's laughing now? hmm

addictedismoving Fri 16-Nov-12 21:15:24

We did a bit of research, we found names but not what their policies were so we didn't go and vote, how could we? We tried but just couldn't find any details confused

Bongaloo Fri 16-Nov-12 21:15:40

Nullius the link I followed to get to this thread says: 'turnout near you'
so I wasn't really referring to Newport.
The corruption of the police has been over the national media very recently.

I have a discussion of the day!!!! grin

Arcadie Fri 16-Nov-12 21:31:26

DH was a presiding officer and clocked 20 people over 13 hours! I voted....

Unacceptable Fri 16-Nov-12 21:42:31

I voted but completely understand why so many didn't.
I only voted because I can't bear to see my right to have a (small) say go to waste-even if it is for one of the most ill thought out, ridiculous, unnecessary, potentially disruptive positions I've ever heard of.
I've not heard a single good reason for these commissioners although their bank managers probably think it's wonderful
I spoke to so many people who didn't even know there was an election or if they were aware had no idea what it was for.
I also spoke to a lot of people who didn't vote because they too thought it was a bad idea to even have a commissioner at all.

Yet again I wonder how high the turnout for all elections would be if we were given a 'none of the above' box to select?

Mmmnotsure Fri 16-Nov-12 21:50:23

The only way to get proper information about candidates was online.

Lots of people, esp older people, do not have internet access. They really don't.

grimbletart Fri 16-Nov-12 21:58:29

20% in Northamptonshire - but probably boosted by the Corby by election which had a 44% turnout.

Finding out about our candidates was easy. Simply go to the national PCC website, put in your postcode and the names and short biogs of your county candidates came up - then go to their linked websites where all the manifestos, Qs and As were etc.

Must have been the same for most counties I would think.

katykuns Fri 16-Nov-12 22:05:14

I don't have a clue about any of it. I didn't know where to vote, I didn't know anything about the candidates, I don't even know what a commissioner does...

If someone had said 'go here to vote for there to be more police officers' then I probably would have done... but meh. Wtf am I meant to do when I know nothing? :S

HappyTurquoise Fri 16-Nov-12 22:07:37

grimbletart who won in Northants?

(Finding out about candidates is easy if you are online. I know a lot of people who are not online and as they didn't receive anything about the candidates, they didn't vote.)

piprabbit Fri 16-Nov-12 22:08:17

katy - when you got your voting card it has the address of your polling station in large writing on the front.

Myliferocks Fri 16-Nov-12 22:13:43

I live in the south west and went and voted.
Our BBC local news spent far more airtime covering the candidates standing for Mayor of Bristol than they did the ones standing for police commissioner for Avon & Somerset.

Btw, does anyone know, if I'd actually recieved my postal vote and sent it off, would that then count as a vote at the polling station, or not?

And yes, the TV news seems to have told people to look at the info online. Shame I dont have TV though...? Nor do I read any newspapers. The extent of news I read tends to be headlines or links on mumsnet!

ChippyMinton Fri 16-Nov-12 22:46:06

No - postal votes are counted separately. They were talking about the actual votes cast (or not!) at the polling station.

fatfingers Fri 16-Nov-12 22:48:09

I didn't vote because I don't agree with PCCs. In the same way that I didn't want an elected mayor, I do not want a political figurehead making decisions about the police. My concern is that elected commissioners will be in the job primarily to raise their own profile or to pursue a political agenda like all MPs. I am obviously not alone in my views given reports that there were 10x the usual amount of spoilt ballot papers.

I am glad that the low turnout is going to trigger an investigation. I found it incredibly patronising that most of the MPs interviewed put the low turnout down to lack of understanding.

confuddledDOTcom Sat 17-Nov-12 00:46:05

Llareggub - maybe that's true of the people on this thread, but what about the people who don't have internet access? What about the people who asked to be sent information through the post and got none?

Mmmnotsure - even some people who are online may not know how to research it. My mum who is a professional, far from old and lives on a laptop will call me to ask me to look something up. If my eldest is with them my dad will ring me to ask how to find a game that she wants to play and which link he has to click to log in.

I've heard from a few people that it's not political (as in connected to parties) but that wasn't the impression on the news today confused

aufaniae Sat 17-Nov-12 01:04:07

BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability and Olivia this is for you! Newport State of Mind

I imagine you've seen it already, but so worth repeating IMO smile

Startail Sat 17-Nov-12 02:56:58

I totally forgot, actually parked in the polling station car park, dropping DD at dancing and didn't go in.

I was going to google, but lost the leaflet that came with my polling card.

None of the candidates sent anything so I didn't know who was standing.

Startail Sat 17-Nov-12 02:58:03

Auganie that's naughty wink

Startail Sat 17-Nov-12 02:58:29

And my spelling is awful tooblush

omletta Sat 17-Nov-12 07:54:56

Apparently the web site holding information about candidates didn't work properly, I confess I didn't try it. I spoilt my ballot because I just didn't know hadn't bothered to find out about the candidates, and morally I think it's wrong to not vote.

I tried to find out info about the candidates where I live. They each had a page on the website, but the blurb there was generic and didn't actually say anything about what their policies were or anything like that.

Then I spoke to MIL (very into local politics) who told me that the Lib Dems apparently don't think there should be a commissioner in the first place but had to put forward a candidate anyway hmm and that our local Conservative candidate was an ex-lawyer and very pally with the police.

I didn't feel that two pieces of hearsay info and one leaflet from the Tory bigging herself up didn't make for a constructive vote, so I didn't. The whole thing was a massive farce tbh.

edam Sat 17-Nov-12 10:36:08

I voted but only because people died for my right etc. etc. etc. Asked the officials at the polling station how many had turned out and they said it had been extremely quiet. I hoped low turn out meant we might have a chance to get a non-Tory in but seems the Tory got in on second preferences. Which is a bugger because he's all in favour of the existing plans to hand the entire force over to Group 4.

Turnout in Surrey was 15.4%.

laughtergoodmedicine Sat 17-Nov-12 12:13:28

about 14 per cent. They do have real power,Our modest winner announced on
radio this morning that one controversial police project was dead. Thats power

onetiredmummy Sat 17-Nov-12 14:28:16

11.96%

2nd lowest

edam Sat 17-Nov-12 14:29:49

I see David Cameron claims the low turnout doesn't invalidate the whole concept of PCCs. So 15% average is 'enough' yet when a union strikes on a 40% turnout somehow he claims that is invalid. Either Eton's standard of maths tuition is really not worth the fees, or he's a hypocrite. Or both.

Wandastartup Sat 17-Nov-12 14:32:47

I work in Newport I didn't vote either( must be catching!)

grimbletart Sat 17-Nov-12 16:05:54

Sorry Happy - didn't see your question yesterday as I was offline.
Northants PCC was the Conservative. The Corby by-election was won by Labour.

But you've probably seen all about it now...smile

zookeeper Sat 17-Nov-12 16:19:39

It's my birthplace too! Good on 'em!

HappyTurquoise Sat 17-Nov-12 18:53:29

Thanks grimbletart hadn't looked it up, as was working today and then out & about. Heard about Corby on news, though!

LaTrucha Sun 18-Nov-12 08:04:25

14.8% in Ceredigion. I didn't vote by choice. I don't want police comissioners.

On top of the fact I don't like the policy full stop, the only way to vote here was along party lines and I don't think this is an appropriate way for the police to be guided. The only way I knew that there were only party political candidates to vote for, by the way, was that they were on my postal ballot when it came through the door. Not a single election campaign message anywhere.

MissWooWoo Sun 18-Nov-12 12:28:54

this may sound a bit thick but was i supposed to have received a voting card as one does for "normal" elections?? I've had nothing on this, no card, no info and only know about the whole concept due to having seen an ad on tv which completely flummoxed me - vote? for a police comissioner? odd!

stillsmarting Sun 18-Nov-12 12:57:25

MissWooWoo yes there were voting cards. Here there were too many as we had by election, town council and Police Commissioner (and a notification for next door's postal vote through our door as well). The Polling Station here had a steady stream, but that's because there isn't much excitement here!

MissWooWoo Sun 18-Nov-12 13:01:17

Hmm, obviously I don't need a voting card to vote but why didn't I get one? I feel like complaining (to whom I don't know) even though I think the whole concept is a little iffy

stillsmarting Sun 18-Nov-12 13:35:34

Stupid question, but did you register to vote when the electoral rolls were updated?

confuddledDOTcom Sun 18-Nov-12 14:32:55

MissWooWoo - until I had my card I thought it was some sort of massive TV show! They've really kept us in the dark on this one.

ChippyMinton Sun 18-Nov-12 16:21:04

MissWooWoo - contact the elections officer at your local council and check whether you are on the electotal register. The register is updated every year, but this year's forms were went out earlier than normal because of the PCC election. It may be that you have been caught out by that?

MissWooWoo Mon 19-Nov-12 09:01:03

I sure did stillsmarting but I will check up Chippy. Bah.

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