Cowardly Taliban shoot girl activist

(64 Posts)
CogitoErgoSometimes Wed 10-Oct-12 07:43:10

Malala Yousufzai

A 14 year-old activist is shot by the cowardly men of the Taliban simply for campaigning for herself and other girls to be educated. Another PR coup for radical islam.

Startailoforangeandgold Wed 10-Oct-12 07:59:38

There is an AIBU thread on this, it has 7 posts.
AIBU to be absolutely disgusted at that only 7 educated women feel the need to express their utter horror, anger and disgust at this story.

Everyone of us who sent a daughter of to school this morning (or a son) should be up in arms.

zookeeper Wed 10-Oct-12 08:02:38

It's sickening. What can we do to help?

flyoverthegoldenhill Wed 10-Oct-12 08:16:51

I cant find the other thread. Mothers, women, daughters should all be united.
I wish Malala a speady recovery

msrisotto Wed 10-Oct-12 08:22:25

This young girl is utterly amazing! Been writing a blog about life under Taliban rule since she was 11!!! Incredible child.

Amazing that the Taliban are so threatened by such a young girl. It exposes their appalling ideas as so crap, even a young child can show them for what they really are. Not to diminish her in any way, but these are grown men being so threatened by a young girl who is speaking out without violence, just truth.

msrisotto Wed 10-Oct-12 08:23:14

I do hope she isn't too traumatised but I can't see how that could really be avoided. And I hope they don't come back to finish the job.

Startailoforangeandgold Wed 10-Oct-12 08:44:33

Bump,
Next time some liberal asks you why we are fighting in Afghanistan.
This is why!

CogitoErgoSometimes Wed 10-Oct-12 08:49:54

I hope schools across the UK today are talking about Malala in assembly. I think she's not only extremely brave but a fantastic role model for young women everywhere. British girls quite rightly take education and so much else for granted, don't necessarily understand why feminism is still important, and it's worth highlighting that there are still women and girls like Malala around the world fighting for basic equality rights and suffering for their willingness to challenge misogynistic cultures & ignorant bullies like the Taliban

EverybodysSpookyEyed Wed 10-Oct-12 08:55:47

I read this morning that the bullet has been removed successfully. I wish her a speedy recovery.

The Taliban have said they will go after her again so I hope a lot of consideration is being given to how she can be protected

Flossie69 Wed 10-Oct-12 12:02:33

I think this girl is truly inspirational, and truly brave. I shall post on AIBU to bump that too.

Really, we don't appreciate the freedoms we have in this country sad

Snorbs Wed 10-Oct-12 12:06:37

I find it incredibly depressing that some people find the idea of educating girls so deeply abhorrent that they are prepared to kill over it.

Startailoforangeandgold Wed 10-Oct-12 14:41:08

Bump
Utterly disgusted so few feel the need to express their anger at this.

EverybodysSpookyEyed Wed 10-Oct-12 15:00:45

It's not just that they oppose the education of girls, it's that they are so anti freedom of speech. And then are willing to kill for that.

It sounds like this has shocked Pakistan as a country and hopefully something good can come of this horrible deed

She is a very brave girl and I hope she makes a full recovery because she is very inspirational and could be a great force for good as she gets older

meditrina Wed 10-Oct-12 15:10:47

I didn't see the AIBU post (such a busy forum that individual threads can sometimes vanish without trace - I hope this thread 'sticks' better IYSWIM).

One of the unsung successes of the international military presence in Afghanistan is the vast improvement there for girls and women being able to access health care and education, something they were denied under the Taliban, and something I very much fear will go swiftly into reverse after withdrawal.

somebloke123 Wed 10-Oct-12 15:25:00

What a courageous young woman. Truly heroic.

I hope the support for her will be loud and universal.

In the UK especially valuable would be vocal support (and condemnation for her attackers and those who threaten her) from:

1. The BBC/Media feminist sisterhood (Toynbee, Ashley etc)

2. The muslim community, who have the advantage of living in a relatively free and civilised country.

janesnowdon1 Wed 10-Oct-12 16:21:39

So glad she is doing well - but she will probably now have to seek asylum abroad. I too agree more people need to speak out about the Taliban and their subjugation of women and denial of education to girls. Found this in the summer partcularly chilling www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2155304/Arrests-Taliban-bribed-students-sneak-poison-girls-schools-drinking-water.html

DoIDare Wed 10-Oct-12 16:26:19

I too expected some outrage here.

Nt only do they think it is acceptable to shoot a child because she wants to be educated, but think it is ime how admirable because she is female.

I am furious.

kweggie Wed 10-Oct-12 16:41:37

Haven't looked yet, but I hope this makes the main news tonight. The reason that education of females is abhorrent is because they could become educated mothers who demand education for their children in turn.
Some-one please tell me how this is different to what happened in the Holocaust. Afterwards every one said ' but we didn't realise! 'Haven't we learned anything from history? I suggest mn'ers email their MPs to express their outrage

Frontpaw Wed 10-Oct-12 16:46:01

I have been simmering over this all day - not just outraged, Daily Mail Outraged!

The next second generation English Muslim banging on at me about how he has to support his 'noomslim braavers' will get a boot up the arse from me, and hopefully a clip around the ears from his mum, sisters, aunties...

CogitoErgoSometimes Wed 10-Oct-12 17:41:22

I'd hope all English women would be particularly supportive of their muslim sister.

Frontpaw Wed 10-Oct-12 18:01:02

I think it is more 'people of humanity' rather than any religious affinity.

These Taliban have shown themselves to be against any religious teachings I've come across and they look to be vindictive, mysoginist, anti-education, pathetic creatures - attacking schoolgirls - rather than the 'fighters' the like to think of themselves as.

rosabud Wed 10-Oct-12 19:58:35

I think this is outrageous and can't believe it hasn't been the top news story on bulletins. I also think it should have been in every shool assembley in the land but it wasn't mentioned in the scool assembley I was in today. There has been a tread on this in the feminist section too but I'm surprised how few posts it has attracted.

Frontpaw Wed 10-Oct-12 20:29:07

It was on radio 4 this morning and on the evening neww. I think she is off to Dubai.

kim147 Wed 10-Oct-12 21:37:39

I spoke to my class today. A girl who is an Afghan refugee told the rest of the class what it was like on her country before she fled.

EverybodysSpookyEyed Wed 10-Oct-12 22:01:34

the story is being given 'in depth' treatment on radio 4 10 o'clock news

Frontpaw Thu 11-Oct-12 08:36:02

Kim - what did she say? Where in the Koran does it say to keep girls and women invisible and uneducated? If someone can show me that, I'd be very interested.

I have muslim relatives - female - professors, doctors, dentists, musicians... and they have utter contempt for these types of people. Its a culture of violence and sadism, nothing to do with religion. It makes my blood boil when things like this (and fundamental christians too, as I am christian but in no way talk about my 'christian brothers and sisters' bombing family planning clinics or picketing miliatary funerals. They are no brother or sister of mine).

Sorry about the rant - I am still raging aboiut this!

AuntieStella Thu 11-Oct-12 08:49:44

The Taliban, from its track record and recent actions, seems pretty intent on taking everyone back from the modern world to their version of a golden age in which most people were illiterate, subsistence workers.

LtEveDallas Thu 11-Oct-12 08:51:06

The thread in AIBU was entitled something like "I really hate the men that did this"

I did report and ask MN if they would change the title to add her name, but they said that they didn't amend thread titles as a rule.

I'm glad its getting more coverage now. A fabulous fantastic girl who put her life in danger to get the true story 'out there'

I was horrifed to hear the scumbag Taliban statement saying that if she survives she will still be a traget and that the WILL try again sad [angry} Bastards.

Kveta Thu 11-Oct-12 09:37:04

Such a horrifying story, and what a brave girl. How can anyone feeel threatened by a 14 year old offs?

Kveta Thu 11-Oct-12 09:37:20

Should say ffs...

CogitoErgoSometimes Thu 11-Oct-12 09:50:19

The only people who could possibly feel threatened by a child are the kind that know they have no authority, no argument, no legitimacy and can only exert any influence by terrorising others. When a child faces up to them it's like David and Goliath. One little kid with a slingshot has shown them up - not as ferocious jihadis on the path of righteousness - but weak bullies, frightened and vulnerable in the face of a few words. That's why they feel threatened. Their bubble has been popped.

Zra Thu 11-Oct-12 17:49:28

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19908409

Most Muslim men and the population of Pakistan are outraged too - any decent human being knows that this is wrong. Taliban are a small minority in Pakistan.

Let's not forget that Pakistan had a female president and women in Pakistan have a right to an education - let's keep it that way!

Hopefully Malala will have a quick recovery and continue to inspire others.

It's heartening to read this thread and not only hear the outpouring of anger at the Taliban and support of brave Malala, but also the confidence you all express that this is not condoned by any religion.
So proud of all my fellow Mumsnetter's for seeing through the extremist rhetoric and not tarring the entire muslim population with the same brush. That in itself will encourage others to stand against this neanderthal intolerance...
For those who are still unsure:

Who are the Taliban?

pavillion Fri 12-Oct-12 06:52:08

Perhaps a campaign process like Allout use? It is our right to be involved. Micheal Gove think about this.!

CogitoErgoSometimes Fri 12-Oct-12 07:38:00

"That in itself will encourage others to stand against this neanderthal intolerance..."

Could we also encourage others to take Malala's lead and stand against the Neanderthal intolerance and shamefully misogynistic practices in this country carried out by some people who try to rationalise it as religiously justified? There are huge injustices against women and girls taking place in the UK today which sometimes make it into the law courts but which are more often kept quiet by the communities and individuals involved. Like Malala, everyone from every part of society should feel they can speak out against oppression and not live in fear.

JennaLemon Fri 12-Oct-12 07:46:40

I hope she's ok. Poor girl. Felt so emotional hearing that news story. Also, made my dd stop and think and feel grateful that she could go to school. SHe is only ten but I blasted her with the full horror of what had happened to this girl and why.

Frontpaw Fri 12-Oct-12 08:56:40

I wonder if they'll discuss it in assembly this week? Hope so - kids know what's going on in the world but I'm not sure they really understand it.

Ive asked the vicar to say prayers for her this sunday.

FreedomToChoose Sun 14-Oct-12 03:04:03

I find their ideology so sickening. These people are basically just the new face of fascism.

saffronwblue Mon 15-Oct-12 04:36:02

I am upset and outraged by this and praying for her recovery. What an inspiring and brave young woman.
It seems clear that chunks of Pakistan are in fact controlled by the Taliban if they can just go around closing schools (and shooting children). Why isn't this being discussed more? Pakistan seems to get offended if anyone questions its creeentials. It was just accidental that Bin Laden and his family were happily established there for years.
I think we should stop tiptoeing around and acknowledge that Pakistan is a failed state.

mathanxiety Mon 15-Oct-12 05:35:05

You can't say 'this isn't religion', because Islam isn't a centralised religion with one voice speaking for all as with RCatholicism or the CoE. Sadly, if the Taliban says it is their brand of Islamic religion to crush women and girls, to treat them as if they were worth nothing even down to attempted murder and keeping them from proper medical attention, then actually it is. yes, they are basically terrorists, but they come armed with religion among their arsenal, and they are fueled by hatred that arises from their religious convictions.

Pakistan is looking more and more like a failed state. This is a very depressing piece (from before the slaying of bin Laden). It is not all the fault of GW Bush though. The Taliban are determined and 9/11 was part of their plans to take on American after all. Pakistan had gone over to the dark side a long time before 9/11, playing both the US and the Taliban.

The religious radicalism comes from Saudi Arabia:
'the madrasa- inspired and Saudi-financed advance of Wahhabi Islam, which is directly linked to the spread of anti-Western radicalization. On my last visit to Pakistan, it was very clear that while the Wahhabi-dominated North-West was on the verge of falling under the sway of the Taliban, the same was not true of the Sufi-dominated province of Sindh, which currently is quieter and safer than it has been for some time. Here in southern Pakistan, on the Indian border, Sufi Islam continues to act as a powerful defense against the puritanical fundamentalist Islam of the Wahhabi mullahs, which supports intolerance of all other faiths.'
This is the same radicalism that seeks to establish sharia law in the west so that Muslim women's lives can be dominated by 'Islam' and they cannot rely on the protection of western civil law.

I agree with Saffronwblue that Pakistan is a lawless place, with the Taliban running the show in the tribal areas in the north west and even in cities where the government is nominally in control you still get the hordes of men with seemingly nothing else to do but throw rocks at govt forces to protest the film that was released on the internet, for days.

Here is one of the problems.

EdithWeston Mon 15-Oct-12 06:46:53

She is coming to UK for medical treatment. It says she will require prolonged care, and the coming days are critical.

LtEveDallas Mon 15-Oct-12 06:50:13

Oh that is great news - I wonder if she will go to SO - they have the most experience I would have thought.

EdithWeston Mon 15-Oct-12 07:00:18

They've said NHS, so could be; but it'll depend on what care her injury needs.

I've been looking at the Taliban's kill/injury rates in Pakistan: over 1600 dead in attacks on religious sites they disagree with (including some Muslim sects) and nearly 3000 injured over last 10 years. Plus all those they attack for other reasons, like Malala, plus all those in Afghanistan.

NHS wouldn't cope, would it?

LtEveDallas Mon 15-Oct-12 07:03:24

Christ no, can you imagine? Beggars belief. I suppose it depends on the treatment, yes. I would have thought gunshot wounds are now a speciality at SO. Horrible to think that we need that sort of speciality in UK.

Startailoforangeandgold Mon 15-Oct-12 07:16:57

Malala I wish you the very best treatment and hope that you get better.

As to the Evil men who did this to you are found and punished.

As I write this my own 11 DD has just bounced in wearing her school uniform.

Why the fuck isn't the Western world up in arms that their are places where this isn't every girls right.

Surely the rights of 50% of the population to basic human rights, should suppressed any other consideration.

* And Why, why are there so few posts in support of this amazing girl.*

coffeeinbed Mon 15-Oct-12 07:23:18

Hope she gets the best treatment here.
Such a brave girl.
I could not have done this.

Thank you for this thread. I want tk learn more aboit this and the issues. I had a dream about this last night, and it was terrifying. She actually lived through it.

saffronwblue Mon 15-Oct-12 07:41:41

I am so glad she is getting top-notch care.
I have resisted some of the demonising of the Taliban from the likes of W but this has made me realise as a feminist how outrageous they are.

CheerfulYank Mon 15-Oct-12 07:50:34

What a beautifully brave girl. I am in awe of her and in a rage on her behalf.

The Muslims I know are horrified and angry, too.

Startailoforangeandgold Mon 15-Oct-12 08:10:12

safronwblue Well said!

It angry be beyond measure that so many normally ardent feminists letangry their hatred of America and their PC views get in the way of campaigning in support of Women oppressed in the name of Religion.

Startailoforangeandgold Mon 15-Oct-12 09:28:12

Sorry for the typos, I got interrupted and posted without proofing.

Frontpaw Mon 15-Oct-12 09:30:29

I often wonder about such 'men'. How do they treat their own mothers, sisters, wifes/wives and daughters? How would they feel, for example, if their sone were killed by well-meaning but uneducated and illiterate mothers, who maybe give wrong medecine when they are ill? Why are they so scared of women? The Koran implores men to cherish and protect its womenfolk (remembering it was written during times of lawlessness and tribal fightine). I suppose it also says, like the bible, let those who harm a child be thrown into the sea with a rock ariund their neck (not sure of the right words, but the sentiment is there).

CogitoErgoSometimes Mon 15-Oct-12 16:51:31

"How do they treat their own mothers, sisters, wifes/wives and daughters? "

Badly.... They think nothing of beating, mutilating or killing women if they step out of line or have the misfortune to get raped. Has nothing to do with their religion and everything to do with being able to maintain a hold on power through brute force. Given recent events in Britain such as the terrible Shafilea Ahmed case, we are not immune from people holding the same barbaric views.

Frontpaw Mon 15-Oct-12 16:53:19

Sadly where culture is shitty like this and they back it up with 'God tells me to do it' there will never be progress. You can't argue or educate these people.

Frontpaw Mon 15-Oct-12 16:55:40

I was watching the Andrew Marr history progamme last night thinking 'what the hell happened?'.

Toombs Mon 15-Oct-12 17:33:58

How fearful these men in beards must be, how weak must be their god that it can be threatened by a 14 year old girls words. How strong and powerful does it make someone to try and murder a child?

EdithWeston Mon 15-Oct-12 19:59:46
ljny Mon 15-Oct-12 20:29:48

Such a courageous girl, such a rotten cowardly attack, like everyone I'm hoping so hard they can treat her successfully - she faces a long hard road, such a wonderful girl, with most of her life ahead of her. It's nothing to do with Islam. The Taliban are barbarians.

ripsishere Tue 16-Oct-12 03:53:59

So happy she has arrived in a first world country to continue her treatment.
I often tell DD when she is moaning, that she has no idea of how lucky she is to hold a British passport and have the opportunity of education.
Get well soon

mathanxiety Tue 16-Oct-12 03:57:36

I am surprised she's not in Belfast. They have lots of experience dealing with massive head injuries there.

ripsishere Tue 16-Oct-12 04:09:19

When I read about it on the BBC, Birmingham has a new trauma unit. I wonder if there were either insufficient beds in Belgast or if Birmingham is part of the place they take injured service personnel to?

LtEveDallas Tue 16-Oct-12 06:17:29

Rip, you are correct. The QE is linked to Selly Oak where injured soldiers go.

grimbletart Tue 16-Oct-12 12:44:05

More info as to why Malala was sent to Birmingham

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49420507/#.UH1H-4V4PmY

mathanxiety Tue 16-Oct-12 16:59:27

Pakistan needs to fish or cut bait. This shooting will be repeated. The extremists are nothing if not bold.

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