Justin Lee Collins found guilty

(89 Posts)
FreudiansGoldSlipper Tue 09-Oct-12 14:40:11

just heard

good a man just hmm slapping his girlfriend, being verbally abuse is taken serioulsy sometimes

Pochemuchka Tue 09-Oct-12 14:44:44

Excellent news.
As you say it shows that what is perceived as 'not as bad' DV can be taken seriously and prosecuted.

Also glad that all the aspersions they tried to cast on her/her background etc amounted to nothing.

I was pleased to see this. It gives me a glimmer of hope that attitudes to DV and abusive behaviour might be changing.

mrsrosieb Tue 09-Oct-12 14:49:53

I am shocked. The press reports were so off the wall I could not believe they were true.
What a wanker!

SoleSource Tue 09-Oct-12 14:51:48

Ooh I loved JLC on his show with Carr. I am glad he was found guilty as he shoukd be.

Things are changing very gradually.

LadyBeagleEyes Tue 09-Oct-12 14:52:21

The tape was pretty damning I think.
Without it it was just his word against hers.

Lottapianos Tue 09-Oct-12 14:52:38

Good news. He had tried to smear his ex-partner in court by saying that she was only in it for the money and that she had a history of harassing and stalking men.

What a nasty piece of work. I hope his ex feels very proud of herself for having the strength to go through with this.

Somebody else who isn't what I thought he was. sad What sort of sentence will he get do you think?

Machadaynu Tue 09-Oct-12 14:56:06

Community service I think I read - 140 hours.

lollilou Tue 09-Oct-12 14:57:37

Do you think this will mean the end of his career? Or can he come back from what was a very horriible crime.

ClippedPhoenix Tue 09-Oct-12 14:58:51

Good, the total arsehole. Lot's of things are coming to light at the moment aren't they and so they should.

Lovecat Tue 09-Oct-12 14:59:39

Good.

Shame he's only got community service angry

Woozley Tue 09-Oct-12 15:05:59

Personally I thought he committed crimes against broadcasting long before this. I hope his TV career does not resume.

Good I'm pleased too. It's the least he deserves.

somedayma Tue 09-Oct-12 16:26:12

What's the AIBU? confused

I think it's that JLC is vv unreasonable someday.

chipstick10 Tue 09-Oct-12 17:03:45

He never did anything like that to his wife, why would he suddenly turn into an abusive loon all of a sudden!!!!!!!

Because his girlfriend was more vulnerable?
Or maybe he was like this with his wife but because she's suffered it longer she see's it as normal and excusable?

chipstick10 Tue 09-Oct-12 17:10:57

His wife testified that he was never ever like that with her.

He has 2 adorable little boys. sad

CremeEggThief Tue 09-Oct-12 17:19:50

I am shocked too. I would never have expected that of him. I used to love his radio show on xfm, back in the day.

However, as he has been found guilty, I think it's some sort of progress that this type of abuse is being taken more seriously than it used to be.

Pagwatch Tue 09-Oct-12 17:25:14

Chipstick10

I am not quite sure where you are going with the whole 'he never did it to his wife' thing.

GetOrfAKAMrsUsainBolt Tue 09-Oct-12 17:31:48

It doesn't matter that he never did anything to his wife.

He was monstrous and violent to Anna Larke, and that is what he has been convicted for.

The transcripts of what he said in a row with her are chilling. It doesn't matter that he was at the end of his tether - a decent person wouldn't say what he did.

DesperatelySeekingSedatives Tue 09-Oct-12 17:34:19

Just because he "never did it to his wife" doesn't mean he wouldnt do it to anyone else hmm

Often abusers target some people but not others because their chosen victims will put up with a lot more. My grandfather picked on my mum for years because he saw her as an easy target. He never treated his other daughter like that, presumably because she would never have stood for it, even as a child.

I'm glad he got found guilty although I do think that tape of being an utter cunt to that poor woman was what nailed him in the end. I doubt it would have got a guilty verdict otherwise.

GetOrfAKAMrsUsainBolt Tue 09-Oct-12 17:37:28

And why 8 million exclamation marks? <stalks off muttering>

GetOrfAKAMrsUsainBolt Tue 09-Oct-12 17:38:06

I imagine without that tape he would have been found not guilty.

VivaLeBeaver Tue 09-Oct-12 17:39:41

Does anyone know if Alan Carr was called as a witness? Its just that the girlfriend said that some of the abuse took place in front of him as they all walked down a street together - I wondered if he'd tell the truth or lie for his mate?

FreudiansGoldSlipper Tue 09-Oct-12 17:41:25

somedayma no AIBU i just put it here as it is the most popular forum and to spread the good news and ffs does it really matter

and he may not have been abusive to his wife but he was to his girlfriend and now others are aware of how he can be hopefully he shall try and change

ellargh Tue 09-Oct-12 17:42:21

I'm glad he was found guilty as something like this is horrendous and should be publicised and punished but I'm kind of sad as I used to like him. Will never be able to look at him the same.

chipstick
Peter Sutcliffe didn't murder his wife does that mean he didn't target and kill other women?

MrsToddsShortcut Tue 09-Oct-12 17:43:47

Am delighted that his abuse was taken seriously.

I can think of lots of potential reasons why his wife may have given him a positive character reference. She may not have experienced abuse with him. He may have been abusive, and, as Fatima suggested, she may have normalised it. She may have wanted to protect her children. Who knows?

I do know lots of people who define domestic abuse as purely physical and thoroughly normalise verbal and emotional abuse. Sadly I used to be one of them. But this is pure speculation.

What worries me though is reading lots of the comments on the news sites - lots of people are still 'not sure' he is actually guilty, even though he has been found guilty by our legal system. Lots of comments about her looks, her wanting a career boost, her being a gold digger, if it was true she would have 'walked away' etc etc sad

All thoroughly depressing and indicative of the fact that a significant number of people still have no understanding at all of the dynamics of abuse.

mrsrosieb Tue 09-Oct-12 17:44:40

The amount of cash he has he could have easily paid his ex-wife off.

Thanks Getorf for saying what I wanted to. About JLC and the exclamation marks

TheCraicDealer Tue 09-Oct-12 17:46:01

I just loved the mugshot they had of him in the Daily Mail. Proper, "Ha!" moment.

lolaflores Tue 09-Oct-12 17:51:50

I think JLC may have fallen foul of the wonderful world of show biz and the fuel it runs on....our friend Cocaine. The massive change in character, paranoid, weight loss, violent and so on. May explain some of his arseholery. Thought I am not sure if it does.
His sentence is a bit of a joke. He should be doing time to reflect the terror campaign he led against this woman.
I would like to predict a newspaper spread
JLC - My Drugs Hell.
JLC - My Rehab miracle
JLC - Lovely new girlfriend and a new show.
Should take about 2 years.
That or he is going to be waving at sailors on street corners

Sassybeast Tue 09-Oct-12 17:56:15

Chipstick - you wouldn't be insinuating that his victim was in any way to blame would you ? hmm

chipstick10 Tue 09-Oct-12 18:08:49

oh fgs keep your bloody wigs on, does everyone have to believe everything they read or hear. For the record o dont think john terry was guilty, i dont think sian jenkins was guilty, i dont think Amanda Knox was innocent, its not a crime, its having an opinion.

The jury who heard the evidence decided he was, I think they were in a better place to judge than you.

Sian Jenkins who is she? Do you mean Sion Jenkins?

chipstick10 Tue 09-Oct-12 18:19:20

Im sure they were Chaz its my opinion thats all.

sparkle12mar08 Tue 09-Oct-12 18:24:20

"lolaflores Tue 09-Oct-12 17:51:50

I think JLC may have fallen foul of the wonderful world of show biz and the fuel it runs on....our friend Cocaine. The massive change in character, paranoid, weight loss, violent and so on. May explain some of his arseholery. Thought I am not sure if it does.
His sentence is a bit of a joke. He should be doing time to reflect the terror campaign he led against this woman.
I would like to predict a newspaper spread
JLC - My Drugs Hell.
JLC - My Rehab miracle
JLC - Lovely new girlfriend and a new show.
Should take about 2 years."

This^^ Lola has it nailed. With a good PR person he'll make money out of this and extend his career nicely. Appalling.

chipstick
The point is that neither your opinion nor mine counts in this case, only the jury's and they've decided he was guilty and they were the one's who heard the evidence not us.

chipstick10 Tue 09-Oct-12 18:26:47

I will remove myself forthwith.

lolaflores Tue 09-Oct-12 18:28:05

sparke some have come back from worse. Do we not live in the most cynical of worlds though? So, it doesn't really matter what he has done or where it has lead him, its all potential feed for the bottomless pit that is the public appetite for shit heads being renovated.

Pagwatch Tue 09-Oct-12 18:32:41

Chipstick10
I think you read my post as being combative when it wasn't.

I was asking if you want that because his wife wasn't treated the same then it casts doubt upon his victims testimony.

I wasn't sure that was what you meant so I asked where you were going

<<adjusts wig>>

Of course if it was what you meant then I would have mentioned that I was the only one of my many siblings singled out to be abused. Oftentimes the victim is selected for reasons far more complicated than proximity.

UltraBOF Tue 09-Oct-12 18:34:09

An anagram of Justin Lee Collins is JOLLINESS LIE- CUNT.

I've been working on that for a while blush

lolaflores Tue 09-Oct-12 18:37:20

UltraBOF SUPERB WORK there. Genius

UltraBOF Tue 09-Oct-12 18:40:00

grin I was quite pleased with it.

FreudiansGoldSlipper Tue 09-Oct-12 18:43:18

i doubt it will do his future career any harm either sad

FreudiansGoldSlipper Tue 09-Oct-12 18:44:15

good work Ultra gold star for you grin

chipstick10 Tue 09-Oct-12 18:44:17

Pagwatch. Thanks. I took a chance airing my opinion on here. I never come on AIBU, i wont again either. I read the Philip Schofield thread ystday. I loathe the ego maniac who blocks anyone on twitter who doesnt think hes god but if someone dares to say hes not a rape apologist, they are hung drawn and quatered. Its too judgemental and scary on here. Personally i do believe i am entitled to my opinion. I remember saying on a thread once that i didnt believe Amanda Knox, i was given short thrift. Whatever.

catwomanlikesmeatballs Tue 09-Oct-12 18:52:58

I don't believe that a man goes through a nine year marriage with two kids, never laying a hand on or abusing her in any way, being 'generous and kind' and suddenly wakes up at 38 years of age and becomes a pschyotic abuser.

Not a chance.

Emotionally abusive fantasists are adept at manipulating people to bring out the worst reaction so that they can claim victimhood, if they don't get one they make it up. This woman reminds me of a few such toxic individuals I've have the misfortune of coming across. Everyone believes them until they see the crazy for themselves.

Jemma1111 Tue 09-Oct-12 18:54:42

I bet JLC is not feeling so powerful now.

Prick

UltraBOF Tue 09-Oct-12 18:54:58

Was that Mel Gibson's excuse too?

mrsrosieb Tue 09-Oct-12 18:57:52

I think lolaflores has a really good point here.

I remember watching Elton John's Tantrums and Tiaras. After the film came out he admitted a lot of his behaviour was cocaine induced. He came across as a total prat on it.

alistron1 Tue 09-Oct-12 18:59:58

He was SUCH a good husband to his wife that while she was at home caring for their 2 very small children, he was on a booze cruise and was pictured snogging/fondling the breasts of the woman he went on to abuse.

And of course such a fine example of a man would probably never do anything like secure his wifes support by maybe threatening to with hold money etc - obviously there is no evidence to support my assertion but such a scenario is not beyond the realms of probability.

DowagersHump Tue 09-Oct-12 19:03:54

So he gets community service and a teenager who posts some offensive crap to his mates on fb gets 12 weeks inside.

FFS

lollilou Tue 09-Oct-12 19:04:05

Hey Pagwatch AIBU is a scarey place I started a thread earlier where some of the posters were pretty harsh. Just try and let it wash over you and repeat "I am entitled to my opinion" smile

catwomanlikesmeatballs Tue 09-Oct-12 19:12:31

Alistron; So you're calling the ex wife a liar or deluded because you'd prefer to believe an mentally unstable alcoholic? I believe his ex, sane people with no habit of compulsive lying or attention seeking are usually the more credible than those who do.

How insulting to claim she doesn't know her own mind but we're supposed to believe the crazy ones without question!

alistron1 Tue 09-Oct-12 19:14:23

So, people with issues shouldn't be believed? It's that kind of attitude that caused Jimmy Saville and others to get away with abuse for years. I mean, who'd believe an emotionally disturbed teenager eh?

And of course, his ex wife might not be conditioned by years of abuse or anything, no that sort of thing never happens at all does it?

AnyaKnowIt Tue 09-Oct-12 19:15:50

Good!

NettoSpookerstar Tue 09-Oct-12 19:16:46

I'm not pleased about this, not because of JLC, but because it means another woman has been badly treated by a man. sad

owlelf Tue 09-Oct-12 19:18:42

It feels like the judge did think JLC's behaviour prior to abusing this victim was relevant. I'm pretty sure the judge said that he had taken the fact that JLC's behaviour was "out of character" into account when sentencing him.

Personally, I find that concept ridiculous. The jury found him guilty, as such his previous character should be irrelevant to the judge. It's like his victim was somehow less abused because he hadn't done it before.

It seems quite plausible to me that his ex-wife might want to spare her children from having a father convicted of abuse- and so wouldn't testify against him. Or, maybe he had never done it before. Anyway he was found guilty, so to me it is interesting but irrelevant.

Raspberryandorangesorbet Tue 09-Oct-12 19:22:29

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

AuntieMaggie Tue 09-Oct-12 19:24:58

Quite sad as he seemed like a nice bloke when I met him but on the other hand pleased that this shows that 'nice blokes' are capable of treating women like this a concept some still find hard to believe.

EmBOOsa Tue 09-Oct-12 19:26:00

There was a recording of him abusing her, and I assume other evidence that we haven't been privy to - enough that a jury found him guilty. And yet there are still fuckwits trying to cast doubt on the victim. For those people - you should be ashamed of yourselves sticking up for a vile bully and (convicted) abuser

dilys4trevor Wed 10-Oct-12 08:25:24

Re Chipstick, why does everyone on here have to round on the person who has a different view, and then not content with that, lay into them for their punctuation and spelling to boot? The Sian/Sion Jenkins thing - grow up.

Glad I wasn't at school with some of you lot. I can only imagine what you were like back then.

CaseyShraeger Wed 10-Oct-12 10:00:05

The only way in which you could "manipulate" someone into saying the things he was recorded saying is by telling them it was a script you wanted them to read. And JLC didn't go with that defence - he said it was an argument and that "everyone has arguments".

A decent person wouldn't say the stuff he was recorded saying; the thought processes behind it just wouldn't occur to them. A man who not only thinks it, but says it and doesn't see the difference between that and an "argument" is an abusive tosser. Even if everything else were made up. Even if his XP had a degree in manipulation from Manipulation University. He condemned himself entirely out of his own mouth IMO.

dilys
Women have such a problem being believed when they report domestic violence and abusive behaviour. Its really depressing when someone is convicted of abusive behaviour and even then posts appear that seem to suggest the victim is in some way responsible e.g. oh well he never did it before (subtext so what was it about the victim that made him do it this time).

So perhaps you need to grow up take a step back and look at why people are disagreeing with someone's viewpoint

I think this bbc article should be required reading for everyone
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19783496

ChooChooLaverne Wed 10-Oct-12 10:20:16

Brilliant that he was convicted.

Rubbish that he didn't get a proper sentence.

EmBOOsa Wed 10-Oct-12 10:43:49

dilys Would you rather we said, "so you believe that despite there being enough evidence for the jury to find him guilty that he is innocent and the victim is a liar? It's your choice hun"?

dilys4trevor Wed 10-Oct-12 12:11:15

Happy for people to disagree and I completely understand why you did disagree with that post on the wife, but I think women on here can get rather mob-handed about it, particularly around reading into what someone has said and pouncing on it, hinting that the person posting the comment is unenlightened/somehow an enemy of women everywhere. And then about 5 of you pile in.

But it gets really unedifying when people criticise others' use of punctuation/spelling because they don't agree with the sentiment (rather than focussing on what they have actually said). It hints that you think the poster is a bit thick and it's petty and silly. If you feel so strongly about these issues, you should stick to the issues.

EmBOOsa Wed 10-Oct-12 12:14:22

Tbh I read the Sion/Sian thing as the poster genuinely asking if they meant Sion.

dilys
It was meant as EmBOOsa said. I couldn't think of a case involving a woman so assumed it was a mix up with Sion. If the poster had written Shaun or Sean instead of Sion I wouldn't have queried it because they are all variations on a male name whereas (as I am sure you know) Sian is a woman's name.

DioneTheDiabolist Wed 10-Oct-12 12:28:26

A long time ago I worked in the entertainment industry. A very lovely and good friend of mine went apeshit at an employee that I had sent to the set. I was shock and couldn't understand it (I had known this man for a number of years and nothing like this had happened before). However I believed my employee.

It turned out that one of his old friends was in town at the time and they had been on a coke bender that weekend. So it would not surprise me that JLC was ok with his wife, but mental with his exGF if he was dabbling.

dilys4trevor Wed 10-Oct-12 12:29:59

Oh come on.

edam Wed 10-Oct-12 12:30:55

He was pictured in today's Times laughing and joking on St Albans station after the case ended. No doubt celebrating getting such a soft judge who let him off with community service.

DowagersHump Wed 10-Oct-12 12:38:09

Christ, I'm glad I wasn't in St Albans yesterday. I suspect the temptation to have shoved him onto the tracks may have proved overwhelming

dilys
Oh come on yourself.

You choose to disbelieve people rather than admit that you might just be wrong hmm

To paraphrase slightly
Glad I wasn't at school with you. I can only imagine what you were like back then.

I wonder who said something like that!

edam Wed 10-Oct-12 12:44:38

Dowagers, I know how you feel, I go through that station every day and almost wish I'd been there to give him a shove...

CaseyShraeger Wed 10-Oct-12 12:49:07

But there are loads of posters on here. Is only the first person who comes across chipstick's "well, she made him do it" apologetics allowed to disagree? If everyone disagrees with her strongly, why can't we say so (yes, even as many as five of us) without being described as "mob-handed" or "piling in"?

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 12:52:20

Make that six.

PrincessSymbian Wed 10-Oct-12 12:57:40

Seven...

EmBOOsa Wed 10-Oct-12 13:04:43

casey It seems so. You are also not allowed to get angry when someone accuses a victim of being malicious or lying (despite evidence to the contrary)

dilys4trevor Wed 10-Oct-12 13:06:26

Well, it looks like Chipstick (and a couple of others who foolishly deviated from the defacto Mumsnet line) has wisely left the conversation anyway. I happen to agree with the consensus on here, rather than the alternative view, but I don't like the way some of the posters (not just Chaz) went about it, so I'll remove myself too. And you can all be joyously together in agreement.

CelineMcBean Wed 10-Oct-12 13:14:20

I'm prepared to listen to the outlandish statements about the victim and even entertain the idea that JLC might not be guilty if any one of you can show where a mistake was made in the case or judicial process.

Until such time as the prosecution or jury can be shown to have behaved inappropriately or unlawfully I think anyone blaming the victim or disputing the validity of the verdict should stay quiet. Otherwise I'm afraid I and several others will point out that you are being a prat. And some of you don't seem to be able to handle that although you're very quick to level much worse accusations at a proven victim of domestic violence.

EmBOOsa Wed 10-Oct-12 13:16:35

The defacto MN line? Seriously, you think it's about that? How about some of us have been in the same situation as JLC's ex and are (understandably) pissed off that even with evidence and a guilty verdict, cunts like him still get painted as the victim of malicious liars? Why is it ok for a minority to say such hurtful and nasty things, but the majority of us are bullies when we call them on it?

Animation Wed 10-Oct-12 13:18:06

"It gives me a glimmer of hope that attitudes to DV and abusive behaviour might be changing"

Me too. Evolution seems to be a slow progress on these kind matters - but gradually gradually things seem to be moving in the right direction.

The judge got it wrong with the 'out of character' quip but Rome wasn't made in a day. hmm

If there is a defacto MN line (which I am yet to find) then perhaps its "when a person is convicted of abuse / domestic violence after due judicial process it is reasonable to assume that their victim was just that, a victim and that the abuser was just that, an abuser"

edam Wed 10-Oct-12 13:51:46

well said, Chaz.

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