Justin Lee Collins

(201 Posts)
GlibGlobGloo Wed 26-Sep-12 14:24:49

It just goes to show that you can't spot an abusive twat easily. Who'd have guessed?

story, sorry, Torygraph

edam Wed 26-Sep-12 14:40:15

Yes, quite. Scary man.

picnicbasketcase Wed 26-Sep-12 14:41:04

If all of those details are true, yes he does sound extremely creepy and controlling.

Clever girl to tape it-much harder to disprove.

TheLaineyWayIsEssex Wed 26-Sep-12 14:48:28

wow! did not expect that. Very clever of her to tape him, and brave of her to go to the police. Must have been hard knowing that he was in the public eye so attention would be drawn to the case.
What a vile man, hope he doesn't get off scott free.

pictish Wed 26-Sep-12 14:51:54

Oh dear! If this is true, he is very nasty man.

edam Wed 26-Sep-12 14:55:59

yes, tape wa a v. good idea, very powerful evidence it will be hard for the jury to ignore. Although I'm sure there will be some who believe the myths about domestic violence and will focus on 'why didn't she leave' instead of 'why didn't he stop'.

GlibGlobGloo Wed 26-Sep-12 15:12:57

I'm shocked. What a vile, vile man.

DuaneDibbley Wed 26-Sep-12 16:14:19

What a shit! I hope prospective employers take note.

AmberLeaf Wed 26-Sep-12 16:30:27

I came here to search for a thread about this and if none was going to post one with this link Daily mail link

What a cunt eh? allegedly

fraggletits Wed 26-Sep-12 17:13:31

Whoa! it Sounds like full blown Narcissism - with recordings of him being played out in court and the 'Pukka' pad then I doubt it's all made up on her part.

KatoPotato Wed 26-Sep-12 17:16:31

Almost akes you wonder what strong arm tactics he used to reunite the Grange Hill Cast....

Allegedly

What an utter, utter cunt.

Darkesteyeswithflecksofgold Wed 26-Sep-12 17:46:21

What a bastard! Cunt of the highest order!

AmberLeaf Wed 26-Sep-12 18:22:25

Its all bad but that pukka pad filled with her sexual history and him using it in later arguments [read him using it to berate her] is just sooo fucked up.

I quite liked his shows before as well.

PosieParker Wed 26-Sep-12 19:13:28

I believe every word, it sounds very plausible.
The waking her when sleeping if she wasn't facing him shock, the pukka pad shock, pulling her hair and slapping her face shockshock. That he may not get a custodial sentence sad.

carlywurly Wed 26-Sep-12 19:51:32

Shocking. The abusive twats are all too often the least likely candidates though. That's how they get away with it for so long. sad

LadyBeagleEyes Wed 26-Sep-12 20:50:36

I posted on another thread about it being allegations, and nothing was proved, but some of the evidence is pretty damning.
I wonder what his defence team will say.

ripsishere Thu 27-Sep-12 06:48:59

I've never seen a whole program me with him in. Only little bits and pieces. He seemed like a decent, amusing man.
Just goes to show.

DappyHays Thu 27-Sep-12 11:39:32

He seems so cuddly and lovely. It just shows there is no such thing as a typical abuser.

Frankie Boyle on the other hand is donating all his profits from his Irish gigs to an Irish domestic violence charity, or so he tweeted.

Fairylea Thu 27-Sep-12 11:41:26

Awful. However I'm not surprised... he's always been very me me me and quite insecure having watched a lot of his programmes... that's a bit of a red flag in my experience..
Poor woman.

DappyHays Thu 27-Sep-12 11:44:20

Aren't most performers "me me me" though? Kinda goes with the territory.

CuriousMama Thu 27-Sep-12 11:48:23

Frankie Boyle may not be to everyone's taste but he's very intelligent.

Collins on the other hand hmm

CommunistMoon Thu 27-Sep-12 21:19:36

I remember seeing him 'peform' in a tent at Ashton Court free festival in Bristol 15 or 16 years ago - we thought he was the unfunniest twat ever. No change there, then. Sorry to hear that he is allegedly an abusive tosser, though.

NorthernGobshite Thu 27-Sep-12 21:40:29

Wow, what a fuckwit. Awful.

NorthernGobshite Thu 27-Sep-12 21:41:13

dappyhays* this isn't being 'me me me', it's domestic violence.

pictish Thu 27-Sep-12 21:43:16

This isn't me me me - it's being a disturbing, misogynistic psychopath.

I suspect he'll waltz away from it. My gut tells me that woman is telling the truth. It's all in the details.

He's a monster.

NorthernGobshite Thu 27-Sep-12 21:50:01

I suspect the fact it is in court means there is some actual evidence; they talk about a notebook and a recording of him verbally abusing her.

pictish Thu 27-Sep-12 21:55:25

He says he wrote all the sexual encounters down, as it was therapeutic for her. What a liar.
No-one does that.

pictish Thu 27-Sep-12 21:58:30

One of the recordings played out in court had him saying "You fucking up at the pub, when you're fucking with me, you look at the fucking ground, you look at a tree, you look at a bench, you look at any fucking inanimate object, you do not look at any other human being you slag, do you understand?"

If it walks like a cunt, and quacks like a cunt...

CommunistMoon Thu 27-Sep-12 21:59:49

...then it's Justin Lee Collins?

pictish Thu 27-Sep-12 22:03:30

Allegedly so.

crackcrackcrak Thu 27-Sep-12 22:07:39

Read this story in the DM in a cafe today. JLC looked like he'd dropped a lot of weight. Hope it's stress!!!

What a sad excuse for a man. Good to have a high profile case straight after the DV definition changed though - to demonstrate iyswim

Sincerely hope this ruins his career

crackcrackcrak Thu 27-Sep-12 22:08:52

I immediately thought we need a we grille you thread though- I am a well trained mner these days grin

Darkesteyeswithflecksofgold Thu 27-Sep-12 22:11:34

I was in the salon earlier today and the news came on the radio and the newsreader said that he had pushed her in the road in front of moving traffic.
On top of all the other stuff thats come out about him he is sounding more and more like a dangerous psychopath. This is more than just hating women. This is on another bloody level!!!

fraggletits Thu 27-Sep-12 22:32:41

The defence team have gone for her past suicide attempts to start with today. No doubt it will get nastier for her tomorrow. They'll try and paint her as a loon, a celebrity hanger on and a fantasist, but - he has admitted hitting her and he has been recorded verbally ripping her apart about where her eyes should be looking when out at a pub with him, so we'll see.....poor girl.

GhouliaYelps Thu 27-Sep-12 22:42:30

That poor girl sad

SevenYearBitch Thu 27-Sep-12 22:47:10

he is a twat of highest order and im glad she is standing up to this bully boy behavior - a section 4 harassment is serious. i hope she proves her case. i believe her.

DuelingFanjo Thu 27-Sep-12 22:55:07

Does anyone know how this got to court? presumably there must have been police involvement?

SevenYearBitch Thu 27-Sep-12 23:02:29

yep. must have been - he must have been charged with a section 4 harassment - if the evidence was good enough to get to court he is buggered imo.

<hopes>

pictish Thu 27-Sep-12 23:09:25

Really? Do you think?

<hopes too>

Smellslikecatspee Thu 27-Sep-12 23:11:47

God love this poor women, and I imagine his wife, cause they don't just start doing this.

If not hing else I hope that this case shows some people that you really don't know what goes on behind closed doors

SevenYearBitch Thu 27-Sep-12 23:12:11

the recording is damning evidence. he will have to have a very good lawyer to wriggle out of that one.

s4 harassment is serious. its to put your victim in fear of violence. i think the evidence speaks for itself, to get to court the CPS must think there is a reasonable chance of prosecution.

Devora Thu 27-Sep-12 23:12:48

Poor woman.

pictish Thu 27-Sep-12 23:14:01

So what could he be potentially be facing then? I know nothing of such matters.

perceptionreality Thu 27-Sep-12 23:14:25

It doesn't surprise me after what I've heard about him!

BabylonPI Thu 27-Sep-12 23:19:27

Nasty bastard by all accounts angry

NorthernGobshite Thu 27-Sep-12 23:20:32

What have you heard?!

confuddledDOTcom Fri 28-Sep-12 00:01:04

I really hate the phrase "I was scared s/he would leave me" if they're the right person they won't leave you, whatever you do or don't do. Why aren't we teaching kids this? Why don't we say it more often? If you're scared they'll leave you, you're better off without.

I don't mean this as a criticism of her, by the way, I just think this is something we should be teaching children.

flippinada Fri 28-Sep-12 12:42:43

I posted on the other thread which got deleted.

The stuff which is coming out is horrific and shows a very dark and disturbing side to his personality. Allegedly.

I see he has also lost a lot of weight and looks very haggard. I do hope it isn't the stress of the trial.

pictish Fri 28-Sep-12 12:48:50

I think the weight loss is coincidental - I think he just wanted to trim down.
He looks so different.

DappyHays Sat 29-Sep-12 16:24:30

northern gobshite I was referring to someone else's post. It is most definitely domestic violence, I agree. I am fucking disgusted by JLC.

Nancy66 Sat 29-Sep-12 16:57:23

he was previously married for seven years. wonder how he treated his wife?

GhouliaYelps Sat 29-Sep-12 17:42:23

Reminds me of the Nicole Simpson case very, very similar treatment of her and we know how that ended sad

HissyByName Mon 01-Oct-12 21:41:44

The weight loss will be a tactic, rest assured. It's T.W.A.T 101.

How can we support Anna Larke? This will be terrifying for her, where to send messages of support?

HissyByName Mon 01-Oct-12 21:43:29

The weight loss will be a tactic, rest assured. It's T.W.A.T 101.

How can we support Anna Larke? This will be terrifying for her, where to send messages of support?

AnastasiaSteele Tue 02-Oct-12 14:17:18

I wished there was some way too hissy

Guardian link to latest developments

www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/oct/02/justin-lee-collins-court-case?newsfeed=true

DM link
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2211697/Justin-Lee-Collins-court-case-Ive-hit-life.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

'Never hit anyone in his life'...the emotionally abusive ones pride themselves on that PEARL. It's being turned around on her.

HissyByName Tue 02-Oct-12 15:48:29

They'll see through that. Too much smokeb for no fire...

AnastasiaSteele Tue 02-Oct-12 15:53:13

If he is abusive, I wonder if any other exes will speak out? It must be awful.

Whatthehelltodo Wed 03-Oct-12 20:55:00

Anna, we believe you. You are very very brave.

Darkesteyeswithflecksofgold Thu 04-Oct-12 00:56:48

Anna i believe you too x

olympicaddict Thu 04-Oct-12 14:41:59

Have not seen him on TV in a while. I wonder if this is all connected?

Feckbox Thu 04-Oct-12 14:50:46

"never hit anyone in his life "
I daresay that also applies to the ones who have never hit anyone in their life

Animation Thu 04-Oct-12 16:25:54

He sounds scary. How do you argue with a manipulator - they just run rings round you. Keep going Anna - you're doing good!!

CakeBump Thu 04-Oct-12 16:29:42

Erm, he hasn't been found guilty yet!!

Calm down!!

Animation Thu 04-Oct-12 16:31:22

You calm down. hmm

feelingawfullylow Thu 04-Oct-12 16:52:03

He sounds vile but neither of them are coming out of it very well. The relationship was over, maybe it shouldn't have got to court?

CakeBump Thu 04-Oct-12 16:55:07

Animation that has to be the most intellectually stimulating post on MN today smile

Animation Thu 04-Oct-12 16:57:34

smile

Valpollicella Thu 04-Oct-12 16:59:02

So because it was over she shouldnt be making a fuss?

feelingawfullylow Thu 04-Oct-12 17:29:31

I don't know, Val. She got involved with a married man, he cheated on his wife. They had quite a sordid relationship by the sounds of it. She sounds as though she was quite damaged before she met him. Will this court case help or will the publicity have a worse effect on her? Should he go to prison? Is he a danger to anyone other than this particularl woman who is, thankfully, well rid of him?

scifigeek Thu 04-Oct-12 18:22:37

I know nothing about JLC - I think I've seen him once in a programme about Japan. Reading the media reports of the trial he comes across as a tosser at best and a vicious abuser at worst.

But there is something about Ana that gives me the chills, as so much of what she's alleged to have done, an EA ex did to me. I'm normally a buttoned up person but he could verbally abuse me and wind me up until I was an irrational screaming banshee who would rant and rave and scream at him. And he'd be suddenly very calm and quiet and tape me as well to prove I was evil and he was the victim.

Alcohol and drug problem and drunken nights which frequently culminated in suicide threats and attempts at self harm he'd have to be slapped or wrestled out of? Check.
Manic behaviour with money and gambling? Check.
Insisting on giving a full and disgustingly graphic rundown of past sexual behaviour whether I wanted to hear it or not? Check
Jealousy and paranoia, stalking exes? Check
Threats of blackmail and destroying me if I left? Check.
Lots of tales to friends and family during the relationship about my abusive behaviour? Check. Claims I had no idea of and which had no basis in truth but which established a backstory for after we'd split.

Oh and punching himself in the face, head and and stomach whilst screaming abuse at himself. Check. I was actually shaking when I read that allegation, it brought back such visceral memories.

I really don't know what to make of this case. My default setting, having suffered EA, should be to accept the word of the alleged victim. Also statistically the vast majority of domestic abusers are men. But she comes across as my utterly toxic ex to a T and I can't get past that. If I'd been a z-list celeb there is nothing he wouldn't have stooped to to attack me (ie. Max Clifford, kiss n tell, and police allegations, rather than what he actually did which was attempt to blacken my name to my employers and friends).

It will be interesting to see what the jury decides.

owlelf Thu 04-Oct-12 19:13:11

I would have thought his ex wife knows fully well whether he is abusive or not.

HissyByName Thu 04-Oct-12 19:38:29

Has anyone got any idea of how hard it is to get a DV case to court? HE has shit loads of money, she? not so much.

The CPS have taken this to court, when they have dropped other cases of acquaintances of mine.

lighthousekeeping Thu 04-Oct-12 21:10:17

I also would love to know his wife's take on this. I saw them once on one of his films and they seemed like such a tight little family unit. If anyone would know you would think it would be her. Is he like this all the time or, is it coming out in the booze? I've known couples like this who get pissed together and thrive on the drama of a good fight, you'd be hard pushed to know who was goading who. What has he been charged with? I haven't ready much about it.

Are him and Alan Carr still friends?

Feckbox Thu 04-Oct-12 21:17:26

His ex wife has publicly stated she has never known him to be in the least violent.

Feckbox Thu 04-Oct-12 21:21:10
lighthousekeeping Thu 04-Oct-12 21:23:27

I wonder if he had groupies that he was like that to but was nice as pie at home? It would be unusual just to turn like that over night wouldnt it?

Valpollicella Thu 04-Oct-12 21:41:15

Yeah I do think it's still wise to say I believe her. There are witnesses to say her pushed her into the road. There is the recording of him verbally berating and abusing her.

Yes she may be volatile, but NOTHING in her past, or how she was whilst in a relationship with him should mean that what has allegedly happened shouldn't be taken on face value. As other as have said there is probaby far more evidence than we are privvy to. It wouldn't have got this far otherwise.

He is a victim blamer of the highest order. Along with all the other abusers. "I've never hit anyone in my life...." whilst admitting he did hit her. The implication becomes that she 'drove' him to it

I understand what you're saying scifigeek, and know that some addicts can be hugely manipulative - my brother is an addict, so I've seen it at first hand. But there's something about that transcript of the post pub conversation that goes beyond someone being provoked into anger - what he's saying isn't just from frustration or anger, it's controlling.

Agree with Valpolicella - she may be volatile, have a history of alcohol abuse etc, but the case wouldn't have got this far without evidence. Also it often seems to be the case that abusers are drawn to people who are vulnerable: vulnerable by age, IQ, history, past experience, addiction etc.

topknob Thu 04-Oct-12 22:18:33

I read earlier that she brought out the demon in him, says it all sad

owlelf Thu 04-Oct-12 22:20:48

I've never been in a position where I needed to stop someone self harming. I can't imagine though, why slapping someone in this situation would help in the least?

Why has JC said he slapped Anna twice to stop her self harming, as if it is justified in this situation?

catwomanlikesmeatballs Sat 06-Oct-12 14:28:06

She sounds like the type of manipulative, abusive person that brings out the worst in even the most passive of people tbh, I've known a few people like that, male and female and amazing how even the nicest people are 'abusers' with them, even if they run like hell before they are driven to doing or saying anything untoward. They are the abusers but manage to convince the world that it is their victims that are the problem.

His exes word suggests that he is the victim here. There is no way this man woke up one day at forty (or whatever age he is) and suddenly became a violent abuser, people always have history. His wife says he was lovely, kind and generous, after two kids and several years with the man, she would know.

It would be interesting to see what all of his exes say vs all of her exes. That's where the truth lies.

lighthousekeeping Sat 06-Oct-12 15:17:21

It would be interested if all his bits on the side came forward then we would know. She said Alan Carr was with them the night he pushed her onto the road. Is he taking to the stand. I went out with someone like that and he used to scream in my face right up close, always in public, another one who was semi famous, perfect wife and children, I don't think I could ever have had him arrested though!!! God forgive me but I do think that recording him was somewhat pre emotive or, that is what it will look like?

lighthousekeeping Sat 06-Oct-12 15:18:52

Pre emptive? He sounds like a dick but they are plenty of them around. Why didn't she just walk away?

Animation Sun 07-Oct-12 12:24:25

Sounds like the jury is hung - they've been told they can sleep on a decision.

Lighthouse - Sounds like a dick to me too. Historically it's usually easier said than done though to walk away from.

Feckbox Sun 07-Oct-12 16:02:46

Yup, cat woman, my thought exactly

lighthousekeeping Sun 07-Oct-12 16:21:23

What was the charge?

Animation Sun 07-Oct-12 18:40:03

Lighthouse - the allegations are that Mr Collins subjected Ms Larke to domestic and emotional abuse.

I believe her.

lighthousekeeping Sun 07-Oct-12 18:41:32

Thanks I only caught parts of it. I believe her but I'm not convinced a jury will. Can they go back over old texts etc.?
?

lighthousekeeping Sun 07-Oct-12 18:45:16

He will be blaming her for the collapse of his marriage.

ike1 Mon 08-Oct-12 11:17:17

Yeah ex wife isnt going to be very supportive of her either.

Just heard he's been found guilty,but no other details.

catwomanlikesmeatballs Tue 09-Oct-12 14:13:46

Where did you hear that?

It's on Radio 5Live now

Majority of 10-1 (one juror dismissed to go on holiday). Sentenced to 140 hours of community service. Judge accepted his behaviour was 'out of character' and didn't fine him as wouldn't be much of a fine in his circumstances.

catwomanlikesmeatballs Tue 09-Oct-12 14:24:03

I'm surprised at the verdict.

gymboywalton Tue 09-Oct-12 14:26:40

"She sounds like the type of manipulative, abusive person that brings out the worst in even the most passive of people tbh,"

what a horrible thing to say-you might as well basically say 'she deserved everything she got'

disgusting

EmmelineGoulden Tue 09-Oct-12 14:29:21

"Out of character"? How can such unrepented and prolonged of treatment someone be other than profound evidence of his actual character?

MadameOvary Tue 09-Oct-12 14:32:59

"Out of Character"? hmm
Based on whose evidence I wonder?
You don't suddenly turn into a controlling abusive twat overnight.
Two people in abusive relationship can co-exist without physical violence or so much as a raised voice if the abused keeps their head down and never challenges or acknowledges the abuse.

catwomanlikesmeatballs Tue 09-Oct-12 14:51:59

Funny how his ex wife managed to live with him for years, have two children and never meet this abusive person isn't it? No history at all. Emotional abusers always manipulate people and compulsively lie to make their victim look like they are the abusive ones. I have had the displeasure of knowing several toxic people like that, everyone believes them until they get to know them properly.

DuelingFanjo Tue 09-Oct-12 15:01:34

Wow - I am surprised (but pleased) by the verdict.

Nancy66 Tue 09-Oct-12 15:08:34

I'm also surprised - I guess it's the tape recording that swung it.

Everything else could have been passed off as 'fantasy' or 'exaggeration' but there was no denying that he said the horrible things that he said on the tape.

janesnowdon1 Tue 09-Oct-12 16:06:51

very glad this woman was believed! Thought the sentence of 140 hours community service a bit weak and £3500 towards prosecution costs very low. The case must have cost many many more thousnads than that to bring.

Animation Tue 09-Oct-12 16:12:38

"Emotional abusers always manipulate people and compulsively lie to make their victim look like they are the abusive ones"

Very True.

Good job to the jury, that were able to see through his manipulations and attempts to turn it back on the victim and take no responsibility at all for the emotional and physical abuse he subjected her to.

Animation Tue 09-Oct-12 16:15:51

Yes it's a very week punishments, but at least justice was done - he was brought to account for his behaviour and she was vindicated - for all to see!

Animation Tue 09-Oct-12 16:16:10

weak

fraggletits Tue 09-Oct-12 16:39:12

It is a weak sentence but hopefully it will cause a fair bit of damage to his 'career'. Becoming a celebrity has obviously gone right to his head so he'll need bringing down a peg or two to prevent this happening again. He may not have been violent to his ex wife, but he was having affairs behind her back while she was at home with two small children so that's not really 'not at all abusive behaviour'. Maybe she's getting a nice amount of maintenance and didn't want to jeopardise it!

Either way, well done to brave Anna, they tried to rip her to pieces when she clearly is already a broken girl and I hope this will be the start of her fixing herself.

owlelf Tue 09-Oct-12 18:02:44

I don't see what 'being out of character' has got to do with anything?

He was found guilty of abuse. His previous form for such behaviour should be irrelevant IMO.

Is sounds like a message to the victim that her abuser wasn't so bad because he hadn't done it before.

I realise some people are struggling to believe JLC is, in fact guilty. That aside, the 'previous character' of an abusive person is surely irrelevant?

Animation Tue 09-Oct-12 18:07:08

"I don't see what 'being out of character' has got to do with anything?"

Yes, thought the judge was a bit off saying that.

owlelf Tue 09-Oct-12 18:10:41

This plus the awful thread I've just read in the news topic really make me despair or the sentencing element of our justice system.

owlelf Tue 09-Oct-12 18:11:05

Of not or, sorry.

lighthousekeeping Tue 09-Oct-12 18:30:48

I don't think it will affect his career. His wife probably never saw that side of him because he was too busy showin it to his bits on the side. I wouldn't be surprised if one or two come out to the papers after this. I hope a message has been sent out to other celebs that think they can get away with that sort of behaviour. I do need to know though, are we supposed to have our phones on record everytime we are involved with a nasty piece of work? Is it acceptable to do that? Technology has really moved on. It has to be in a good way.

Nancy66 Tue 09-Oct-12 18:46:30

YOu can record people in the UK without their permission if it's for personal use

if you intend to make the conversation public you need to get the other party's permission.

One expeption would be in the prevention/detection of crime.

Jellykat Tue 09-Oct-12 19:02:17

I had feared this case could go either way.. Phew, am now so pleased Anna was believed. Well done to her!..

I do think JLCs career will be in trouble, certainly Craig Charles and John Lesleys were/are. OK different circumstances, but hoping mud will stick for some time to come.

ike1 Tue 09-Oct-12 21:18:01

His wife is not going to Anna any favours is she? Possibly enjoyed making her look 'mad' as a bit of revenge....

ike1 Tue 09-Oct-12 21:18:43

And I can assure you I have no love for OWs.....

Feenie Tue 09-Oct-12 21:20:06

Er....Craig Charles was totally exonerated. hmm

PanonOlympus Tue 09-Oct-12 21:21:51

Am really really surprised he wasn't adjourned for the prep of a pre-sentence report. This would have, by policy of most Probation Trusts, ended in a period of offence-focussed supervision. Unpaid Work has it's place at times, but NOT in the arena of domestic violence.

Darkesteyeswithflecksofgold Tue 09-Oct-12 21:38:53

Justice was done but what a weak sentence.
There were people who got longer and custodial sentences for recieving stolen goods that were looted during the riots last year.
Says it all really!

PanonOlympus Tue 09-Oct-12 21:46:32

I think the sentence was wildly inappropriate, rather than 'weak' i.e it esaddress nothing as to why he committed this offence in the first place. He will do his UPW in a 'secure' environment away from the media ( he won't be on a gang bus at 9am everyday) and remain in a 'she was out to get me, I did nothing wrong' state of mind. Supervision would have broke that down.

MummysHappyPills Tue 09-Oct-12 22:16:49

Haven't read the whole thread, but heard the news on the radio and thought I'd come on here and see if it was being talked about. I'm glad she was believed and he was found guilty. Thought it wa despicable that jlc chose to show no remorse and instead called her a compulsive liar and an alcoholic. What a bastard.

I also thought the "out if character" thing was way off. One isolated incident could be deemed "out of character", not a sustained campaign of abuse. If the judge meant his behaviour was unexpected in light of his cuddly nice guy persona, well, that's abusers for you. Mine was a "nice guy" apparently, but no one knew what he was like behind closed doors.

I'm just so glad she was believed, when I read about what he did, it was such a classic insecure abusive bastard profile of behaviour that I believed her immediately. The sentence arguably maybe light, but no doubt his career is in tatters, and IMO his conviction sends out the message that if you abuse people, you will suffer serious consequences.

I wonder if a conviction would stick if it weren't for the recorded evidence? Not everyone is lucky enough to have this proof, many abusers are very clever about who they do it in front of, and often it is the victim's word against their's. sad

Valpollicella Tue 09-Oct-12 23:16:05

The sentence is shitty but lets all have oment of schaudenfreud (massively misspelled that!) in that he he never be a high roller on tv again.

Heck no network will touch him again....

I.am sorry for his children who will see a reduction in their maintenance as his income will plummet

feelingawfullylow Wed 10-Oct-12 00:08:01

Instead of recording his foul ranting why didn't she just leave him?

ike1 Wed 10-Oct-12 00:17:04

yep valpolicella thats prob why his ex wife took the stand in his favour

AbigailAdams Wed 10-Oct-12 00:36:53

Instead of being an abusive prick why didn't he treat her with the respect she deserved?

Darkesteyeswithflecksofgold Wed 10-Oct-12 01:31:10

Pan i agree with you. That sentence IS wildly inappropriate and in no way is it enough for what he did to her.
I reckon the ex is going to see a reduction in child support anyway because according to what i heard on the news hes also got to pay a 3 and a half grand fine.

lighthousekeeping Wed 10-Oct-12 08:46:26
Sassybeast Wed 10-Oct-12 09:21:12

'Instead of recording his foul ranting why didn't she just leave him? '

Can I suggest you look on the Relationships board and do some reading about the dynamics of abusive relationships ? It would be tragic if a friend or family member in an abusive relationship came to you for support and help and that was your response to them.

janesnowdon1 Wed 10-Oct-12 10:21:23

It's foul isn't it to see him laughing outside after the verdict like that. Also the judge said he felt the whole episode had been out of character for JLC - so that kind of exonerates him. JLC will be able to talk to the press in a few months/have a book about his living hell, coping with depression. marriage breakdown etc that led him to do this "out of character thing"- perhaps all will be forgiven.

Womens Abuse charities have slammed the verdict. If Anna hadn't recorded the conversation she wouldn't have got very far I think.

Animation Wed 10-Oct-12 10:52:43

Was his x wife his only character reference then? He left her for Anna I understand last year.

I wonder how she felt when he left her and the children for Anna, and if these feelings had any bearing on her giving him a good reference.

Can't help but think a character reference coming from her is unreliable when you imagine the complicated feelings she probably was going through, PLUS the pressure of HIS expectations on her to put him in a good light in court.

Animation Wed 10-Oct-12 11:07:25

He's been found to be an emotionally abusive and controlling man to Anna. What's not to say he's not emotionally controlling his x wife - still. She might not be that aware of it if she's still in it. She's probably still hurting if he left her last year for another woman, and to some extent vulnerable and maybe still under his spell.

If she's still under his spell, that would be more reason not to have her in court giving him a character reference.

EmBOOsa Wed 10-Oct-12 13:38:53

feeling So he'd face justice? Or maybe just for the fun of it hmm

As for "just leave him"? Excuse me while I sit over here laughing and rocking

feelingawfullylow Wed 10-Oct-12 13:46:17

They were not in a long-term relationship. They did not have children. She could have walked out. I can understand how a woman can become a prisoner of an emotionally abusive partner but it takes time and JLC and AL were not together long enough for that to happen.

Animation Wed 10-Oct-12 14:03:29

"JLC and AL were not together long enough for that to happen."

How long does it take?

DuelingFanjo Wed 10-Oct-12 14:10:57

she did leave. Are you trying to say that a short abusive relationship isn't the same as a long one? Isn't that a little confused?

Anyway they were together for a long time, just not (according to him) in a sexual relationship. It was only when the relationship became sexual that he became abusive. This is quite often what happens you know.

MummysHappyPills Wed 10-Oct-12 14:12:51

I was with a guy for 6 months and it got to this stage. Then I left him. If I'd have stayed you'd be wondering why I didn't leave, yet if I left it's not long enough for it to get to that level? So how do abusive relationships happen then? Are you trying to deny that they exist? hmm

EmBOOsa Wed 10-Oct-12 14:36:15

"JLC and AL were not together long enough for that to happen."

Hahahaha.. oh god you're serious aren't you? My ex got like this within 3 months, it took me over a year to escape. But maybe I should bow to your superior knowledge.

fuckadoodlepoopoo Wed 10-Oct-12 14:50:41

For me it happened within weeks, slowly creeping up. In fact the first bit of jealousy and punishing me for talking to other men was before we even got together!

Feeling. Im sure you mean well but you're incredibly ignorant on this subject.

fuckadoodlepoopoo Wed 10-Oct-12 14:55:24

I think its really lucky she filmed him. He was making a good effort there to discredit her and it might have worked otherwise. Its important these things are recorded, so it can help get convictions, so the message goes out that its not acceptable, so that other women are warned about him and those like him.

I must admit i did wonder who was lying (hadn't really been following the story) but having read what he was recorded saying to her its shocking!

AbigailAdams Wed 10-Oct-12 15:23:27

Why are you focussing on her perfectly acceptable, defensive behaviour rather than his appalling, abusive behaviour feelingawfullylow? Why are you not berating him for treating her badly? Why are you not asking why he didn't stop his behaviour?

As an aside, it only takes one incident for someone to feel trapped in a relationship.

fuckadoodlepoopoo Wed 10-Oct-12 17:05:52

So what sentence did he get? (sorry haven't read whole thread)

AlfalfaMum Wed 10-Oct-12 17:17:41

fuck, disappointingly he only got community service and ordered to pay £3.5k towards the prosecutions legal costs

fuckadoodlepoopoo Wed 10-Oct-12 17:21:16

How much community service? At least its humiliating i suppose but not necessarily what you would expect for the crime.

feelingawfullylow Wed 10-Oct-12 17:31:50

It goes without saying that he is foul and acted appallingly. She had her wits about her enough to tape his rants, so why was she too helpless to leave?

EmBOOsa Wed 10-Oct-12 18:13:12

"She had her wits about her enough to tape his rants, so why was she too helpless to leave?"

The word you were missing from your description of him was "manipulative". HTH.

lighthousekeeping Wed 10-Oct-12 18:22:54

I just hope I don't see either of them flogging their stories to the press anytime soon. I wonder what he was like with the other women he was having affairs with?

Nancy66 Wed 10-Oct-12 18:28:17

she's already touting hers around

Animation Wed 10-Oct-12 18:30:38

Yes, manipulative men make you doubt yourself and and have you believe it's your fault - if only you could do a bit better. Eventually when the penny drops you might be able to do something about it and get out - but as we know it's a process, and some victims of emotional and physical abuse never get out.

Maybe taping it was as much for herself as anything - to convince herself he was in the wrong and that she didn't deserve it - to have the evidence there in her hand.

Goes to show people are not as what they seem!
He should be ashamed

lighthousekeeping Wed 10-Oct-12 18:40:01

Did Alan Carr get called up as a witness as he was supposed to be there when he pushed her onto the road?

MrsDeVere Wed 10-Oct-12 18:40:37

I have been following this case.
I have been horrified but not suprised at the way his defence have been attacking his ex.

The tactics used to discredit her were disgusting.

AbigailAdams Wed 10-Oct-12 18:41:23

Well apparently it doesn't go without saying feeling because there are people on this thread defending him, implying that Anna is one of <whispers> those women or would rather focus on her understandable behaviour. All of which detracts from his behaviour, is victim-blaming and is what let's these men get away with being awful for much much longer.

I think she did a good thing taping him because she secured a conviction and showed him for the horrible man he is. Or would you rather he got away with it feeling and carried on being abusive to other women? It takes an awful lot to get an abusive man convicted, mainly due to the myths and views being perpetuated on this thread by you and others.

MrsDeVere Wed 10-Oct-12 18:42:45

The 'out of character' bit is crap.
Its almost like saying 'you only did it because she made you'

DowagersHump Wed 10-Oct-12 18:43:50

So what Nancy?

lighthousekeeping Wed 10-Oct-12 18:53:43

I'm still abit unsure about this taping thing. By the time they are in full rant wouldn't half the conversation be missing because you'd have to fiddle with your phone without them noticing I wouldn't know where to start with recording on my iPhone.

I wonder what kind of CS he will do?

lighthousekeeping Wed 10-Oct-12 18:56:34

I remember a man calling me a slag etc infront of everyone in a pub and throwing a glass at my head. I wouldn't have been able to record his rant. Funnily he was a two bob showman too. He had form though but, Justin didn't? Allegedly.

Nancy66 Wed 10-Oct-12 19:17:11

dowagershump - lighthousekeeping posted that she hoped neither party sold their story, i just pointed out that Anna is selling hers.

I think he's a nasty, abusive bully and I'm glad he was found guilty.

However, I do think that his ex has had pound signs in her eyes from the word go

xxDebstarxx Wed 10-Oct-12 19:22:57

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19899403

Well he's not learned anything yet! angry so much for justice sad

AbigailAdams Wed 10-Oct-12 19:26:32

I would imagine it was an occasion where he would invariably have a rant if things weren't exactly the way he liked them. That wouldn't be too hard with an abusive man, if you are that worried about it lighthouse hmm

superdry Wed 10-Oct-12 19:39:07

of course he shows no remorse, of course he does not think he is abusive, he is the typical abuser who cannot see his actions are wrong, even after being sentenced!
its a shame they don't do what they do for people who are caught speeding, send them on a special course to show the affects of what speeding can be, he should be sent on an anger management course that specialises in male abusers, his attitude to women is essentially totally off - the vile language he used in his rants, sleeping around behind his wife's back - who by the way probably only defended him to protect her children in the future, the guys is one enormous tool, i really hope his career crashes and burns, unless of course he mends his ways and shows remorse!!

Animation Wed 10-Oct-12 19:41:28

xxDeb yes just read what he said there as reprted - that has said he will "never accept" he is "violent or an abuser".

More evidence based stuff there - that he's never wrong, so can't take responsibility and therefore can't say sorry.

An abuser kind of talk.hmm

DowagersHump Wed 10-Oct-12 19:49:58

Sorry, nancy, didn't read that. What do you mean though? Do you mean that she stayed with him so that she could profit from her abuse? Apologies if that's not what you were inferring

Nancy66 Wed 10-Oct-12 20:00:05

she did attempt to sell her story before reporting it to the police.

she's now being handled by Max Clifford and demanding crazy money.

Maybe she'll donate some to a domestic violence charity...

lighthousekeeping Wed 10-Oct-12 20:25:02

Why would I be worried, Abigail? I just know that I wouldn't have the foresight to record anything or the knowledge. Never mind doing it secretly. I was talking about myself.

I'm not surprised about the flogging of the story. That's why I asked.

DowagersHump Wed 10-Oct-12 20:37:52

That's pretty depressing. It doesn't take away from him being an utter fucking abusive knob but leaves a bit of a nasty taste

Nancy66 Wed 10-Oct-12 20:44:11

Agreed. he's still a nasty shit.

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 20:45:30

140 hours unpaid work is a bit crappy. Let's hope it's not stand-up...

My anagram for Justin Lee Collins, by the way, is JOLLINESS? LIE. CUNT.

Animation Wed 10-Oct-12 21:10:27

UltraBOF - grin

That's amazing!

lighthousekeeping Wed 10-Oct-12 21:13:12

It's that flowing hair that gets me.

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 21:46:57

<bows>

grin

feelingawfullylow Wed 10-Oct-12 22:01:27

well that answers my question. She taped the ranting so she could sell her story. Thought so. And you mugs going on about how brave she is and "I believe you, Anna".

DowagersHump Wed 10-Oct-12 22:10:05

feelingawfully - that's irrelevant. I do believe her. He treated her like shit. He's still guilty

fuckadoodlepoopoo Wed 10-Oct-12 22:18:44

Feeling. So you've completely dismissed the fact that the recording was used to get a conviction then. hmm

You seem determined to blame the victim here. I wonder why that is?

Whatever her reasons for wanting to sell her story, if that's even true, it doesn't undo what he did.

DuelingFanjo Wed 10-Oct-12 22:24:52

feeling, do you think his behaviour wasn't abusive then?

UltraBOF Wed 10-Oct-12 22:37:40

What 'story' is there if he had just said "Blimey love, you could have got the beers in!"?

He didn't. He launched into a tirade of ABUSE, for which a courtroom convicted him of harassment. What is so hard to understand about that?

Valpollicella Wed 10-Oct-12 22:48:09

She rrcorded it to sell her story? Bollocks did she.

And even if she did, does it discount his verbal abuse?

RedBlanket Wed 10-Oct-12 22:59:44

She might well have recorded him to sell her story, but he still said it.

He still isn't owning up to it either.

EmBOOsa Wed 10-Oct-12 23:26:41

feeling So you think she made him yell at her?

Also, I should point out, I read earlier that actually she was planning on giving money to a DV charity and also planning on using this hideous situation to make people more aware of DV/emotional abuse, how to escape from it, and (more importantly) making sure it is recognised in law.

You think she's not brave? What the fuck have you done for victims of abuse?

feelingawfullylow Thu 11-Oct-12 01:16:45

OK if she gives the money to any kind of charity I'll eat my words. But I bet she doesn't. I've said JLC is vile.

Darkesteyes Thu 11-Oct-12 01:46:25

Look at it this way Feeling. If she does sell her story it might well be to one of the celeb mags like Closer or Grazia. A lot of teenage girls and young women read those mags. They are not the best reading matter around but if they carry her story it can show girls and young women the signs to watch out for which is no bad thing. It raises awareness. I had never heard of EA in a relationship when i was a teenager.
In fact i clocked on the cover of this weeks Grazia that a young woman has already given them an interview about her verbally abusive relationship.
If this can raise more awareness among young women and leads to just one woman avoiding or escaping an abusive relationship then job done as far as im concerned.

Darkesteyes Thu 11-Oct-12 01:48:49

Copied and pasted from the Grazia website.

ALSO-Emotional abuse hit the headlines last week as comedian Justin Lee Collins was accused of mentally toturing his girlfriend, even forcing her to sleep facing him. It's a form of bullying that will soon be illegal, thanks to the Government's shake-up of domestic violence laws. Laura* tells Grazia of the torment she suffered at the hands of her boyfriend

Darkesteyes Thu 11-Oct-12 01:50:47
MrsDeVere Thu 11-Oct-12 07:07:46

What if she doesn't.
What if she is a self centred puppy kicker?
Victims don't have to be nice.

JLC has been found guiltily. There was raped evidence of his a use.

She can make it into an RnB song feat. Dizzy Rascal for all I care.

Animation Thu 11-Oct-12 07:48:05

Yes, whatever she does now doesn't NEGATE that he is an emotional and physical abuser.

Thank goodness she had the foresight to tape some it. It would have been his word against hers otherwise - in court. Hope more women follow suit.

EmBOOsa Thu 11-Oct-12 09:15:33

I was thinking about this last night, so what if she doesn't donate to charity. If someone had been through some horrific accident would you make snidey comments about them selling their story? Why the fuck shouldn't she find a silver lining in all of this?

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Thu 11-Oct-12 09:22:35

I know a 100% foolproof way to stop peOple making money out of taping you being abusive: don't be abusive.

DuelingFanjo Thu 11-Oct-12 10:16:51

Does Feeling think he wasn't abusive? I can't undrstand why someone would blame the victim unless this is what they think. Unless you think she deserved it feeling?

AbigailAdams Thu 11-Oct-12 17:03:17

This whole outcry about women selling their stories of abusive relationships to papers is a silencing tactic. And it is misogynistic.

This is a good article about the whole affair.

And from that, a reminder of what he did:

"...because he wasn't found guilty of using nasty words. He was found guilty of two counts of putting another person in fear of violence, even though there was probably enough evidence to charge him with assault.

He slapped her. He hit her private parts. He spat on her. He threatened to kill her. He boxed her ears. He bruised her arms. He pulled her hair. He threw a sat-nav at her."

JLC is a violent, controlling man. It should be all over the papers. What he did should be written up, she should be able to talk about it. It could help other women in the same situation. It could help other women recognise red flags in their own relationship. It could provoke a whole host of other women taping their abusive partners and securing their convictions. And this faux moralistic stance that she shouldn't talk to the papers (and get money from it) comes from a root of wanting to discredit women, disbelieving them and trying to shut them up.

She did not put up with a violent abusive relationship to sell it in the papers. The fact that people think that really reflects back on them.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Thu 11-Oct-12 17:59:12

YY Abigail - if someone is subjected to medical negligence or something and goes to the papers, no-one says they decided to get themselves neglected just for the money, do they?

lighthousekeeping Thu 11-Oct-12 20:15:26

That article is fantastic. I've shared it on Facebook and my friends have done the same. We all should!

Valpollicella Thu 11-Oct-12 21:51:37

Well said Abigail

DowagersHump Thu 11-Oct-12 22:02:26

Completely agree Abigail. And thanks for sharing that article, it's great smile

lighthousekeeping Sat 13-Oct-12 17:16:10

I saw this whilst I was at the shops. Haven't read it.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/justin-lee-collins-anna-larke-1376516

FreedomToChoose Sun 14-Oct-12 02:57:36

It seems anyone with him was in for bad times as he would say.

Heard earlier today that that Anna is going to be on Radio 5 tomorrow morning, talking to Victoria Derbyshire, so presumably a lot of the questions people have been asking on here will be addressed then.

lighthousekeeping Tue 16-Oct-12 16:15:31

Does anyone know what Anna said on radio 5 this morning?

There's a podcast available on the 5Live website - www.bbc.co.uk/5live but the synopsis of it is that she talked about how the relationship started, how he behaved when they were together before detailing the type of abuse she suffered. They played the full clip of JLC's rant at her which was much much worse than I'd seen it reported - he goes on to tell her what she'd done wrong, and how she should behave to make it up to him. What was really horrible was that he didn't seem furiously angry with her - angry, but in control of himself.

She said the reason she taped the rant was because she'd already decided to leave him and move back home with her parents. She knew that it would be really hard, so she wanted to have a recording of him of him being abusive so that if she was wavering, she would listen to the recording again and that would stiffen her resolve. At the time of making the recording, she had no intention of going to the Police - I missed the next bit of the interview, so don't know why she decided to.

She said she had been paid for some interviews (but not with the BBC), she wasn't sure how much in total, but she had donated all the money to Refuge to thank them for their support. She also said she was in talks with them about launching a campaign to inform people about abuse. She was fairly scathing about the sentence JLC received, saying a short custodial sentence would have been better, along with some anger management counselling.

Quite hard listening at times, but I thought she came out of it well - you can tell she doesn't fully understand herself why she put up with it now, but she seems determined to show people that his behaviour was abuse, whatever he claims.

Animation Tue 16-Oct-12 20:33:53

I've listened to that rant as well. He's horrendous!

Glad it's there for people to judge for themselves.

He really thinks he's not an abuser does he? Well the evidence says overwise.

He kept telling her she must apologise and never look at anybody or anything ...only the floor.. hmm

owlelf Tue 16-Oct-12 21:18:17

I am surprised somehow that JLC's rant can be broadcast. I think it's illegal to record someone without their consent, unless the recording is to be used as evidence to a crime (I think this was confirmed by a MNetter with more experience earlier on this thread).

So I can see how the recording could be used in court, but I wouldn't have thought it would be ok to broadcast it outside the court.

To clarify though, I believe Anna and I'm glad she had the forsight to make the recording- I'm just surprised (pleasantly) that there is no problem with his foul rant being broadcast.

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