So, a liberal democrat candidate for Basingstoke thinks a five year sentence for rape is "excessive" ;

(130 Posts)
BasilFoulEggs Tue 01-May-12 16:57:46

I'm slightly surprised that the rapist vote has become so big and valuable that it is being courted in Basingstoke, but I know very little of that part of the world and given the current travails of the Lib Dems, I suppose there may be some sort of electoral advantage in tweeting that our justice system is outrageous for actually punishing a rapist properly. Maybe no on else will vote for them anymore, what do I know.

The Lib Dem candidate in question, seems to imagine that if a man is good looking and lots of women "wouldn't say no" to him, then the fact that one woman didn't say yes, means his sentence for rape ought to be lowered. Apart from the fact that this is unfair to ugly rapists, it shows a confusion in his mind about the difference between sex and rape, which means that this young man is not fit to represent women. I'll say nothing about what else he might not be fit to do with women as that doesn't actually have anything to do with his electoral campaign.

I've e-mailed Basingstoke Lib Dems to tell them what I think of their candidate's views, if you want to to, here's the link to their website:

basingstokelibdems.org.uk/en/page/chineham-our-candidate

2shoes Tue 01-May-12 16:58:53

he is not fit to represent men either.
horrid man

BasilFoulEggs Tue 01-May-12 16:59:00
BasilFoulEggs Tue 01-May-12 17:01:10
BasilFoulEggs Tue 01-May-12 17:03:05
BasilFoulEggs Tue 01-May-12 17:05:45

I don't know how Central Office will feel about these views.

https://www.libdems.org.uk/contact.aspx

StrandedBear Tue 01-May-12 17:21:52

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Empusa Tue 01-May-12 17:28:30

His comments were absolutely vile, I hope he loses his job, he doesn't deserve it

SuePurblyingoodVOICE Tue 01-May-12 17:49:44

I've emailed and linked this thread.

AyeRobot Tue 01-May-12 18:01:26

I think he needs a little less conversation of the Twitter kind. And a little more action of the Sexual Offences Act reading kind.

Alcina Tue 01-May-12 18:04:10

I emailed LibDems Basingstoke earlier when I saw the link posted on the other thread. No reply as yet - perhaps they've been inundated.

I also emailed the link to a friend who lives in the area so that they know about it before they vote on Thursday.

DowagersHump Tue 01-May-12 18:06:27

What an absolute dolt. I don't know why I'm still surprised that some political animals are so fucking stupid and ignorant but it gets me every time. I shall take great pleasure in contacting all the links on this thread this evening. Along with contacting all the people I know in Basingstoke to draw attention to this idiot's crass stupidity. He even makes Lembit Opik look good and that's going quite some way

Longtallsally Tue 01-May-12 18:08:36

Have emailed LD HQ.

LynnCSchreiber Tue 01-May-12 18:10:34

Do you have a link to the original story?

TheFoosa Tue 01-May-12 18:11:50

worra twat

BasilFoulEggs Tue 01-May-12 18:13:58

And if anyone wants to e-mail kick it out, linking to the thread, their e-mail address is here:

info@kickitout.org

They're the ones who do lots of work to kick racism out of football.

They seem to be sitting on their arses when it comes to sexism though.

DowagersHump Tue 01-May-12 18:14:16
LynnCSchreiber Tue 01-May-12 18:14:56

Thanks. What an utter idiot.

pinkpyjamas Tue 01-May-12 18:18:27

"I don't know why I'm still surprised that some political animals are so fucking stupid and ignorant but it gets me every time".

YY, me too. sadangry

It's almost like we need less mysogynistic, self-serving twats in government, and more.... more.... well, more of us! grin

Have emailed Basingstoke LDs. They'll probably get decimated without this debacle, but I'd love their candidate to lose his deposit too.

Peachy Tue 01-May-12 18:20:15

What the actual....!

This gets worse and worse doesn't it? Damn us females, having the capacity to say no. Or, perhaps more importantly, yes. Absence of a no does not a yes create.

yakbutter Tue 01-May-12 18:22:35

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

doormat Tue 01-May-12 18:24:06

disgusted

SardineQueen Tue 01-May-12 18:25:56
AyeRobot Tue 01-May-12 18:27:45

What men like that (and other Evans supporters) object to is that they can't fuck drunk women with impunity, which they feel is one of their bloke privileges.

NovackNGood Tue 01-May-12 18:34:04

Well lets face it he'll be out on appeal soon enough or after 18 months at most.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 01-May-12 18:42:02

Unfortunately this opinion is far too common. Makes me worried about having brought a daughter into the world with such medieval opinions still being aired and encouraged.

MrsFruitcake Tue 01-May-12 18:47:00

The story ran in last Thursday's Basingstoke Gazette (local rag) so most of us know about this vile man already.

He is a twat to believe he could make those comments and get away with it.

Butwhatdoyoudoallday Tue 01-May-12 18:55:54

He's even more of a twat with the fauxpology:

“If I have offended anyone, I apologise. I think we are all entitled to our own opinions.”

If he has offended anyone? Maybe a good looking chap who most of us wouldn't say no to should see how he feels about being the one who says no.

SardineQueen Tue 01-May-12 19:18:28

That apology is utterly shit

ElectricSoftParade Tue 01-May-12 19:44:31

It's not even a real apology. Just trying to appease the people who are angered by it. Fucking idiot.

FUCKING IDIOT.

BasilFoulEggs Tue 01-May-12 19:47:09

Whose apology was that? The man from Brighton or the man from Basingstoke?

Butwhatdoyoudoallday Tue 01-May-12 19:48:01

The "man" from Basingstoke.

But it isn't an apology. It's fucking apologising on the behalf of the offended people. Arse.

ArtexMonkey Tue 01-May-12 19:49:11

What a goon. On the other hand:

"I'm slightly surprised that the rapist vote has become so big and valuable that it is being courted in Basingstoke, but I know very little of that part of the world and given the current travails of the Lib Dems, I suppose there may be some sort of electoral advantage in tweeting that our justice system is outrageous for actually punishing a rapist properly. Maybe no on else will vote for them anymore, what do I know."

This made me do an ACTUAL CACKLE. You're on fire this week Basil.

BasilFoulEggs Tue 01-May-12 19:59:51

So he's stated that he's entitled to his views?

And his views are that a 5 year rape sentence for rape, is too long?

That's actually very frightening.

I'd like to see if he thought it were too long, if he were raped and his rapist were caught.

But of course, I'm making the mistake that Ched Evans' victim is just as human as a lib dem with a dick. Silly me, I should remember that women's lives are less important than men's.

Why do so many male politicians make twatty remarks like this about rape? How come female politicians don't?

BasilFoulEggs Tue 01-May-12 20:03:58

AM wink

Well, lets face it, the Lib Dems are very sympathetic to rapists aren't they? The first thing they wanted to do when they got to power, was introduce anonymity for men accused of rape, IE enable even more rapists to get away with it, as if enough of them don't.

They won't be happy until the conviction rate is down from its far too high level of 6%. And now some of them apparantly think 5 years for an act of violence which can cause years of psychological damage, is too high.

They are the rapist's friend. Just as well, 'cos no other fucker likes them any more.

SardineQueen Tue 01-May-12 20:09:07

Yes

LIAM ELVISH has stated that he is entitled to his opinions

ie that 5 years is too long for rape and that as he believes that lots of women would be happy to have sex with Ched Evans it somehow lessens the crime if he rapes someone

And if anyone is offended by these opinions then he is "sorry".

I am presumably entitled to my opinion that he is a rape apologist arsehole whose political career is now hopefully ruined. I doubt anyone finds that offensive.

DharmaLovesDraco Tue 01-May-12 20:09:52

If ever I needed another reason to hate the Lib Dems - fucker.

Have emailed.

wizzler Tue 01-May-12 20:16:12

I have emailed Nick Clegg. . hoping that my twopenneth may push them in the right direction. ( Doubt it but you never know)

ReactionaryFish Tue 01-May-12 20:16:49

He is certainly entitled to his views. So are we. So are the good people of Basingstoke, 50% of whom (roughly) happen to be female. No doubt this disgusts Mr Elvish, but those 50% have a vote.
The little gobshite might care to reflect on this as he sees his prospects of a political career go up in smoke on Thursday, tee hee.

Alcina Tue 01-May-12 20:17:38

SardineQueen
Nope, not offensive at all!

MamaMary Tue 01-May-12 20:20:29

I blame pornography and its objectification of females for these attitudes. Music lyrics and videos reinforce the de-valuation of women.

Women don't tend think like this because they don't tend to consume porn.

Have emailed. Thanks for the link Basil and for both threads. MN at its best.

tara0202 Tue 01-May-12 20:25:29

I absolutely despair. I am going to e mail LD HQ now too.

MyDogShitsShoes Tue 01-May-12 20:26:41

Back on my phone today, no bloody laptop so can't get to work on this one til tomorrow angry

This is not good, the more I stew the more bloody pissed i'm getting angry angry

Hopefully the steam will have cleared so I can compose something eloquent to send to them all tomorrow angry angry angry

Jux Tue 01-May-12 20:34:50

I've emailed to all those people. <rolls up sleeves> what next?

lostmywellies Tue 01-May-12 20:38:15

Don't quite understand the other idiotic rape tweet, though, SQ. He's trivialising rape because he mentioned it alongside murder? He's trivialising serious crime, surely - but it's being dismissed as trivialising rape so that it seems like reactionary feminist whiners... don't you think?

TheFallenMadonna Tue 01-May-12 20:43:42

It seems Liam Elvish thinks raping a woman who is incapable of giving consent deserves a lesser sentence because it doesn't involve force. Good Lord.

I have emailed the Lib Dems, suggesting they might like to make it clear that Mr Elvish's opinion on a proportionate sentence for rape does not represent the opinion of their party.

kohl Tue 01-May-12 20:44:33

Have emailed the leader and deputy leader of lib dems on basingstoke county council, plus lib dem hq and lib dem basingstoke. How about emailing Lynne Featherstone who is the equality minister?

The sad thing is I'm not deep down surprised by Liam Elvish's comments - it's what loads of people think.
However, I AM fucking furious and sickened by the fact that not one bloody Lib dem person has distanced themselves.
Shame on them.

SardineQueen Tue 01-May-12 20:49:16

lostmywellies it came up when I googled lib dem rape and thought people might be interested.

I have not subjected it to close analysis!

SardineQueen Tue 01-May-12 20:50:52

On BBc now:

"Vote 2012: Nick Clegg says voters listening to Lib Dems again

Voters are listening to what the Lib Dems have to say again after last year's English election disappointment, party leader Nick Clegg has said."

Yes we are nick, and we are not very impressed.

lostmywellies Tue 01-May-12 21:00:39

Yeah, I was definitely interested. Just thought it was bizarre how it was being reported.

SardineQueen Tue 01-May-12 21:03:13

I guess that at the moment in particular "humorous" comments about rape are not very sensitive?

Maybe that while the average person would condemn looting and murder, it seems that a spot of rape is a reasonable past-time?

That sort of thing I guess.

The Lib Dems have a facebook page...

kohl Tue 01-May-12 21:12:03

Oh God I'm so ANGRY. WHY has no one from the lib dems said anything? how is this ok?
So fucked off with living in a society that thinks rape is acceptable.
Wish I could channel my anger into actually doing something but I can't think what.

MissPricklePants Tue 01-May-12 21:18:53

this is absolutely disgusting and vile!! Why is that acceptable??how dare he trivialise what has happened to the young woman involved. Emailing LDHQ now!!Outrageous!

kohl, I think we just have to keep pushing and pushing that we believe her, and challenging people who just don't get it. Share it on facebook, email, sign petitions, just keep bloody pushing this at people until they realise what rape is, they don't repeat rape myths, and they don't keep supporting rapists.

The thought that keeps chilling me is that it's unlikely this is the first time that Ched Evans and his friends behaved like this. But it is the first time he's been convicted for it. How many more victims who were considering coming forward won't now, because they fear abuse, intimidation and being named publicly?

GiantPuffball Tue 01-May-12 21:22:43

What a Knobber. Wonder if he'd feel the same if Ched raped him. Most men wouldn't say no, after all.

kohl Tue 01-May-12 21:27:35

I know ice, I've signed everything I can find, facebooked it, and emailed everyone I can think of. Like you,I just keep thinking about the effect all of this will have on survivors.
I want a big fuck off march with millions of people all saying I believe her. It's horrible to look at my amazing baby girl and think that there are people IN GOVERNMENT who think that it's permissable in 15 years time, if she gets drunk, for a man to rape her.

pinkpyjamas Tue 01-May-12 21:28:12

I wonder how his vile views will affect his future political and / or acting careers?

A quick Google reveals he is Mr No-One Special, so perhaps his twattish views will finally bring him the fame he seeks?

Or he might just disappear down the rathole he slithered from.

Oh, and he does live in Basingstoke, which in itself is a form of punishment, I suppose.

Empusa Tue 01-May-12 21:30:13

Did anyone see the Lib Dem's party political broadcast for the London mayor, where they showed members of the public talking about rape etc? Seems while one section of the party is talking about protecting the public another is talking about letting criminals off with lighter sentences.

ellisbell Tue 01-May-12 21:31:32

disgusting, hope they throw him out.

LimeLeafLizard Tue 01-May-12 21:36:02

D'you know, I have a nasty feeling that after being kicked out of his party, this knobhead will be appearing as a guest on Top Gear within a month or two.

topknob Tue 01-May-12 21:44:47

What a stupid thing to say...utterley despicable...I shall be emailing LD, Torys and Labour parties. How on earth can any one get away with saying such a thing?? unless he thinks rape is ok?

pinkpyjamas Tue 01-May-12 21:51:03

He's not keen on facing the public, it seems.
<<man or mouse?>>

www.thisishampshire.net/news/9680397.Election_candidates_face_question_time/

The Basingstoke LibDem website doesn't have a 'contact us' link. Those of you who emailed them, how did you do it?

I've posted a link to the article on their FB page and asked it he'll still be representing their party in the election.

Alcina Tue 01-May-12 22:54:49
kohl Tue 01-May-12 22:55:39

annie I emailed them here: info@basingstokelibdems.org.uk

kohl Tue 01-May-12 22:55:55

sorry xpost!

pinkpyjamas Wed 02-May-12 09:20:34

Has anyone had any response from the LibDems?
Nothing here yet.

DharmaLovesDraco Wed 02-May-12 11:10:45

Just now, he has apologised apparently but they take my comments seriously and will be getting the local council to investigate - I shall be responding because as far as I can make out his apology was nothing of the sort.

I am so cross

DowagersHump Wed 02-May-12 11:19:29

Just had one:
Dear Ms Hump,

Thank you for contacting us regarding the comments made by Liberal Democrat council candidate Liam Elvish on Facebook about the Ched Evans case.

I would like to make it absolutely clear that the party does not agree with the views expressed by Mr Elvish. It is completely inappropriate and damaging to make light of offences such as rape. He has now recognised his mistake and has apologised for his remarks.

However, the Liberal Democrats take comments like these very seriously. The local party will be looking into these comments and will take appropriate further action.

Thank you once again for making us aware of your concerns on this matter.

Kind regards,

Rory Belcher
Liberal Democrats

fluffywhitekittens Wed 02-May-12 11:22:29

Yes, I have just this minute had exactly the same reply.

pinkpyjamas Wed 02-May-12 11:28:58

"It is completely inappropriate and damaging to make light of offences such as rape. He has now recognised his mistake and has apologised for his remarks."

Hmmm.... the libdems are missing the point.

Surely the problem is that someone standing for election actually thinks these things in the first place, and because of that they are not fit to stand AT ALL, rather than them having to be made to make a (half-hearted, like a petulant child) vague apology?

He shouldn't have to 'recognise his mistake'.
It's not rocket science.

Don't support a convicted rapist and make light of rape.

There, that wasn't so difficult, was it?
The vast majority of intelligent adults manage to do it without having to be told.

angry

SardineQueen Wed 02-May-12 11:38:25

He wasn't making light of it

He was saying that in his view a woman who is raped by a man who other women would willingly have sex with, has not really been raped
And that 5 years is too long for rape

He is not fit to stand for their party.
He probably needs to look to the BNP and that bloke who said for women being raped was not very bad, like beign forced to eat cake. I think he would fit in better with them.

SardineQueen Wed 02-May-12 11:38:59

The man in brighton was making light of it.

What the lib dem twat said was a completely different ball game.

I emailed the LibDems yesterday - no response yet!

Emailed Basingstoke LDs and also posted on Stephen Williams MP FB wall asking for his comments as a fellow LD and my MP. I wonder if it will stay?

tara0202 Wed 02-May-12 12:24:10

I have had a response from the Lib Dems:

Dear xxx

Thank you for contacting us regarding the comments made by Liberal Democrat council candidate Liam Elvish on Facebook about the Ched Evans case.

I would like to make it absolutely clear that the party does not agree with the views expressed by Mr Elvish. It is completely inappropriate and damaging to make light of offences such as rape. He has now recognised his mistake and has apologised for his remarks.

However, the Liberal Democrats take comments like these very seriously. The local party will be looking into these comments and will take appropriate further action.

Thank you once again for making us aware of your concerns on this matter.

Kind regards,

Rory Belcher
Liberal Democrats

I can't believe they haven't sacked him off yet.

kohl Wed 02-May-12 13:38:42

I've also had that reply - I have emailed again and asked them why the hell no one has publically distanced the party from this rape apologist's comments while they are taking the 'appropriate action'

incandescent doesn't begin to cover it.

I cannot believe that they are unable to see that the fact they haven't is basically implicitly fucking agreeing with him. That's what it looks like. They are in GOVERNMENT they help make the laws about rape. AAAAAAAARGHHH.

GiantPuffball Wed 02-May-12 14:51:57

He didn't apologise though did he? Has he got any chance of winning in Basingstoke?

stillfrazzled Wed 02-May-12 14:54:13

I emailed, got same crap reply and mailed back to point out he hasn't apologised. Yet to hear back...

pinkpyjamas Wed 02-May-12 15:33:01

Details of the (very wibbly, half-assed) 'apology' here.

www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/news/9682403.Facebook_shame_of_council_candidate/

He thinks everyone is entitled to their opinions.

My opinion is the LIAM ELVISH IS NOT FIT TO STAND FOR ELECTION.

He also said "“I accept that it’s an emotive issue. Most of the people who commented are my friends. I’m all up for debate.”

I'm up for debate too, so perhaps he'd like to have one here?

Empusa Wed 02-May-12 15:37:39

Quite pinkpyjamas, but seeing as he was too chicken shit to turn up to that pre-election debate...

Atreegrowsinbrooklyn Wed 02-May-12 15:39:46

Bombarded HQ with emails yesterday. DS and DD have both been tweeting endlessly canvassing support for Mr Evil-ish to have his candidacy withdrawn.

BasilFoulEggs Wed 02-May-12 16:14:44

He hasn't apologised for his remarks.

He has apologised for offending people.

That means he stands by his remarks, he still believes what he said, he beleives that 5 years is too long a sentence for rape, if the man in question is a footballer whom his friends would willingly have sex with.

His remarks and views stand. It's just the offence he regrets, not the actual sentiment.

StrandedBear Wed 02-May-12 18:28:06

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

DharmaLovesDraco Wed 02-May-12 18:37:29

I have replied with this:

Thank you for your response, however he has not apologised for his remarks at all, he has apologised for causing offense. There is a world of difference. He is still standing by his comments and believes that 5 years for rape is excessive when it is someone his friends would willingly have sex with !?! He claims he is entitled to his opinion, which I agree he is, it is just such a shame that someone who potentially has influence over the wider public has such a cavalier and ignorant attitude when it comes to violence against women; he is a rape apologist and he represents the Liberal Democrats.

I am still soooooooooo cross angry

kohl Wed 02-May-12 22:32:52

I have also had an email back from Paula Baker (deputy leader of the lib dems in Basingstoke council). Basically same thing - she agrees with me re: terrible societal attitudes to rape, but Liam nobber has 'apologised wholeheartedly' and the party will investigate in due course.

FFS. he has not apologised wholeheartedly, and basically he's still being allowed to stand with the lib dem's backing.

How was that wholehearted? The 'I'm sorry if you're offended but I'm entitled to my opinion' bollocks?

Ooo, I've a reply from Lib Dem HQ:

Thank you for contacting us regarding the comments made by Liberal Democrat council candidate Liam Elvish on Facebook about the Ched Evans case.
I would like to make it absolutely clear that the party does not agree with the views expressed by Mr Elvish. It is completely inappropriate and damaging to make light of offences such as rape. He has now recognised his mistake and has apologised for his remarks.
However, the Liberal Democrats take comments like these very seriously. The local party will be looking into these comments and will take appropriate further action.
Thank you once again for making us aware of your concerns on this matter.

I have naturally replied, querying his 'apology' and their stance on this.

kohl Wed 02-May-12 22:55:17

Article in the Basingstoke Gazette includes this:

Gavin James, leader of the Liberal Democrat group on Basingstoke and Deane Borough Council, said he was not aware of Mr Elvish’s Facebook comments, but added: “I don’t think it was a well thought-out comment. He’s entitled to his opinion but it’s not something the party would agree with.

“I wasn’t in court so I couldn’t comment on the sentence, and I don’t endorse his view. We will have to discuss it with him first before commenting further.

“I don’t think it impacts on his ability to represent Chineham. He’s a young man who’s fairly inexperienced, and young people use Facebook without much thought, and it’s something he might regret later. He’s a young man – he’s not a professional politician.”

Xales Wed 02-May-12 23:24:42

When The Gazette spoke to Mr Elvish at his home in Belvedere Gardens, Chineham, he said: “It’s a controversial issue. If I have offended anyone, I apologise. I think we are all entitled to our own opinions.”

Agree with the rest. He is clearly apologising for if anyone thinks his remarks are offensive, then clearly states that his is entitled to his own opinion.

That would be the opinion he stated previously Mr Elvish wrote: “Is it just me or is 5 years is ridiculously excessive>? ... ‘The judge said the sentence took into account that there had been no force involved and the complainant received no injuries.’ Yet another shameful example of our disproportionate legal system > Most girls I speak to say they wouldn’t say no to Ched Evans, anyway...”

SardineQueen Thu 03-May-12 08:12:09

Oh I SEE

Young men are entitled to their opinions that if men who are famous rape someone then it isn't really rape, and that 5 years is too long for rape.

Oh well if YOUNG MEN think that then it must be OK.

For fucking arsing fucks sake.

Are these people completely stupid or do they simply not give the smallest of fucks?

I am SO ANGRY.

Don't these people think that RAPE is a serious enough crime to warrant thinking before opening gobs? If he had defended a child molester would the man have said "He’s a young man who’s fairly inexperienced" and waved it all away?

The young man who said this is NOT FIT to represent women (I imagine he would be quick to condemn men who rape children or men) if these are his views. And this GAVIN JAMES bloke seems to think that it's a-ok that he has these views so fuck him too is what I say.

SardineQueen Thu 03-May-12 08:13:07

So he thinks that if you RAPE someone without beating them up as well then it's not really rape?

Who is this cunt?

Would he feel that way if he was raped I wonder.

TheEternalOptimist Thu 03-May-12 08:44:02

Why is it excusable because he is a young man and not a professional politician?

Isn't that what he is seeking to become?

He has been watching too much West Wing if he thinks a non-apology apology is going to cut it here.

vj32 Thu 03-May-12 08:47:11

He's clearly immature, presumably sitting in a seat the LD don't expect to win. Any big public distancing will call more attention to this - they are probably trying to hope it goes away.

It is such a shame there are so few decent local councillors. The head of education in one council near me for several years was a graduate straight from uni with a politics degree. A young man with no work or life experience running a multi-million pound budget and for thousands of children, a life changing job. Why was he doing it and not someone better qualified? There wasn't anyone better qualified. This is a council with some of the worst primary school results in the country. And what are the parties campaigning about this year? Bin collections. That is what the voters care about. Not the instances of scary violent crime, not the poor education their children are receiving in under funded and in some cases not water-tight schools. Not the fact that most council functions have been privatised and there were huge strikes recently because of job and pension cuts to low paid employees, necessary because the council has been leaking money for years. What local people really want is for Labour to take back power so they can get their wheelie bins collected every week. It is so sad.

Local politics is a joke.

If he's so inexperienced and likely to use social media without thinking, why the rubbery jeff are the Lib Dems saying he's in ANY way suitable to represent them and voters? Surely the reasons they seem to think excuse him effectively rule him out of the job?

tara0202 Thu 03-May-12 14:50:57

I'd really like to know what the top brass at the party think of this - the local lib dems seem to be protecting him?

kohl Thu 03-May-12 15:14:49

So I've had another reply from the local lib dems - it appears that they haven't been able to remove their backing because the postal ballot happened before he made his comments and they therefore aren't allowed to withdraw him as a candidate. They did withdraw him from the hustings for his ward and there is now an ongoing enquiry.

I got the standard response from Rory Belcher. Also replied pointing out that he hadn't apologised. Still waiting for a response from LibDem HQ. Elvish's views are disgusting and I hope he's held accountable for them. Someone this ill-informed should not be running for any kind of elected office.

Neefs Thu 03-May-12 22:35:23

I've emailed too and await a response. I feel sick about this whole thing, like everyone else I'm incensed by this fuckwit's comments and if this doesn't end in a sacking for Elvish then we all know the lib dem leadership are a bunch of fucking idiots with no balls, who don't have a clue how to relate to women, and who are not fit to represent any electorate.

timtam23 Thu 03-May-12 23:06:16

I emailed LD HQ and got the standard reply

Have emailed back to point out that he still holds the same opinions and has not apologised for them

Awaiting reply!

stillfrazzled Fri 04-May-12 07:44:41

Anyone know if the hateful little fecker actually won? Local website crap.

pinkpyjamas Fri 04-May-12 07:56:43

I've been searching but can't find any results so far.

NarkedPuffin Fri 04-May-12 08:26:53

He was never going to win, but he came last grin with 100 votes - from second in the 2010 poll.

NarkedPuffin Fri 04-May-12 08:28:11

Results (Chineham ward)

NarkedPuffin Fri 04-May-12 08:30:12

From 2nd in 2010 here.

pinkpyjamas Fri 04-May-12 08:39:20

Thanks, NarkedPuffin.
Well, Liam Elvish has spectacularly failed to set the political stage alight.
I guess not all publicity is good publicity afterall.

stillfrazzled Fri 04-May-12 08:40:01

Fabulous. Would love to think his comments had something to do with it.

SilentSinger Fri 04-May-12 08:56:33

Does he get his deposit back with only 100 votes?

stillfrazzled Fri 04-May-12 09:23:37

Let us hope not.

let us also hope he notices that it's quite likely that public revulsion is the difference between coming second and limping in last and re thinks his vile views. Suspect he will just keep them under wraps in future, though.

Neefs Fri 04-May-12 13:07:17

exactly stillfrazzled. having those views and hiding them is just as abhorrent and far more dangerous. he has to go.

edam Fri 04-May-12 14:18:05

I'm pleased the nasty little creep did so badly in the election.

TheFallenMadonna Fri 04-May-12 19:16:30

No deposit for local elections. All you need is 10 signatures.

ReactionaryFish Fri 04-May-12 19:42:30

And it was a woman who won too MWAH HAH HAH HAH HAH

MargeSimpson Tue 15-May-12 11:10:17

There is further correspondence about this is the Gazette on line which was printed last week.
www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/letters/9701069.Online_argument_was_with_friends/

Butwhatdoyoudoallday Tue 15-May-12 11:34:54

He still doesn't get it, does he. Also his "full apologies to those who took offence" is still not a full apology! Moron.

I wonder how much more of this we'll see - someone posting something inappropriate online via FB or Twatter and then claiming it was a private comment so therefore was justified. I fear that it may be used in "defence" rather a lot in the future.

geekette Tue 15-May-12 13:26:18

palm - slap - forehead => disbelief

DowagersHump Tue 15-May-12 13:36:25

Christ, what a wanker. I wonder if the LibDems are still supporting him? Did anyone get any reply beyond that holding email?

pinkpyjamas Tue 15-May-12 14:46:07

No further email - I expect they're relieved he'll just disappear into the ether of his own personal failure.
Although the fact that they didn't have the bollocks to firmly condemn Elvish has lost them my vote until I snuff it.

Liam Elvish is clearly a bit thick. That follow-up interview was ill-advised at best, career-shattering at worst. He comes across as an entitled arsehole with a flair for petulance.

A museum worker (and perpetually unemployed actor) who has opinions that make him more suited to being a relic, if you will. (D'ya see what I did there?)

Jux Tue 15-May-12 17:23:26

I got a response from LDHQ saying the guy had apologised for his views. I emailed back saying he had done no such thing and pointing out that the electorate are really quite capable of telling the difference. I have had no further response from them.

Shame really, they used to be quite good at that sort of thing. Clearly Clegg isn't good at making his kids write thank you letters!

PrincessFiorimonde Wed 16-May-12 08:43:10

I emailed a complaint about this to Basingstoke Lib Dems, but I didn't get a reply - not even an anodyne one.

28abcd Fri 18-May-12 15:52:57

Are you lot serious??? I can't believe how much you are all blowing this out of proportion and winding yourselves up over nothing! You should really take a lesson in media and how papers manipulate you to see things a certain way. Taken out of proportion things always seem a lot worse.

None of you have read the full debate that happened on his page. If you had you would see there were lots of people debating different sides of the case. Liam doesn't justify rape, hes arguing against the case because there didn't seem to be any force and the other footballer who also slept with her was found not guilty which doesn't make sense!!

Before you all start going crazy again and sending out a parade to burn my house down I should actually point out that I disagree with Liams view and think the sentence was fitting and actually the other footballer should also of been punished (and yes I am a woman). However I am amazed at how this has ended up on local front page news!!! A lot of people write stuff on facebook that they shouldn't and it is very easy to put things that come across the wrong way. I'm the first to admit I probably wrote stuff in debates on f.book that I don't really believe in just to play devils advocate!!! Do they represent me and my views....definitely not!!!

Surely if you paused for half a second you would see that this was just an insensitive comment taken out of proportion!! We've ALL been there. You have all jumped to conclusions, assuming you know Liams view and you know 'what sort of man he is'. Isn't that the kind of judgemental attitude that you are all arguing against?? It doesn't even represent his view on rape....just on this specific case which, even many people are saying, is a complicated and unusual one!!

Also can I say Liam did apologize “If I have offended anyone, I APOLOGISE"!!!

Really if you were that bothered about rape victims you wouldn't be wasting your time on forums winding urselfves up over a young man who made some one-off comment which offended people....you would actually be potting your energy into making a POSITIVE change such as fundraising for a rape charity or representing women in a positive, equal manner....

Jux Fri 18-May-12 16:25:04

Interesting. How do you know that none of us fund-raise for rape charities? Or provide support for rape victims, or victims of domestic abuse?

That is not an apology for what he said. He has not retracted.

If he wants a career in public life then he needs to learn to think carefully about what he says in public.

What you ay on fb is as liable for legal redress as anything else. That's been being discussed on radio and tv for several weeks. It seems you missed that.

pinkpyjamas Wed 23-May-12 13:37:34

His comments show that he lacks the maturity to take up the position he was standing for.

His comments, particularly "most girls I speak to say they wouldn’t say no to Ched Evans, anyway...", show that he is a cocky little idiot, with no concept of the serious nature of the case.

WRT to comments on FB - anyone hoping to take up a role in public life would be an absolute twat to make inflammatory and sexist comments regarding a current news story - on a public forum!

He got what he deserved, and I hope his dismal failure will make him question his behaviour and grow up.

28abcd Wed 23-May-12 17:22:31

@pinkpyjamas.....hahahaha....I find it hilarious that someone who uses language such as "cocky little idiot" and "twat" about someone they have never even met and can only know what they have read in a less than 500 word article, can then go on to say 'make him question his behaviour and grow up'. HAHAHA!!!! Talk about ironic! I really think you need to do some growing up.

Your comment is so riddled with fowl language and patronising arrogance any point is completely lost and you look like a fool. No one will ever take you seriously. You might think yourself better than other people and in a position to judge others by a single article that you read but the truth is you are not.

You might get satisfaction thinking of his 'dismal failure' and him 'getting what he deserved'....here's another truth for you...that article is already in the bins of last month, the world has moved on, nothing came of it and nobody cares except you. Pathetic!!

SardineQueen Wed 23-May-12 17:44:02

I think that the person who made light of rape is a fool.
And I am very glad that his career is fucked.

flippinada Wed 23-May-12 19:54:47

"fowl" language - is that like clucking hell? grin.

I agree with Sardine. This chap clucked his own career down the fox hole.

(see what I did there?)

pinkpyjamas Thu 24-May-12 18:26:16

Oh, 28abcd, bless you, dear!

That's quite the tantrum you've had there, isn't it?
<<hones the patronising arrogance of which I stand accused>>

Such an empassioned speech in defence of the indefensible - it's almost as if you yourself were the one to 'fowl' up in the election so badly that no-one voted for you winkgrin

"that article is already in the bins of last month" - alongside the political career of Liam Elvish, thankfully.

Although 'The Bins of Last Month' is a great name for a band; can Liam play a tambourine at all?

Yabing Wed 25-Jul-12 20:12:58

Finally got my response from the LibDems after two months. No mention of donations to Rape Crisis.

On 25 Jul 2012, at 17:31, Nick Clegg <correspondence@libdems.zendesk.com> wrote:

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Liberal Democrats

Correspondence Assistant, Jul 25 17:31 (BST):
Dear Yabing,

Thank you for contacting us regarding the comments made by Liberal Democrat council candidate Liam Elvish on Facebook about the Ched Evans case.

I would like to make it absolutely clear that the party does not agree with the views expressed by Mr Elvish. It is completely inappropriate and damaging to make light of offences such as rape. He has now recognised his mistake and has apologised for his remarks.

Thank you once again for making us aware of your concerns on this matter.

Kind regards,

Rory Belcher
Liberal Democrats

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Submission From Web Form: Contact Us
Submitted On: Thu, 03 May 2012 (11:50)

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If Liam Elvish is genuinely sorry about the comments he made re. Ched Evans' sentence being too long, and how most women would sleep with him anyway, perhaps he would consider a donation to Rape Crisis?

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