peppa pig makes children naughty(182 Posts)
I don't think it is tosh actually. DD started watching PP about a year ago and there was an overnight increase in the use of "you're not my best friend any more", yucks and general strops. She doesn't watch it all the time but I can tell when DH has been letting her watch loads of them back to back.
I think the odd one (of lots of those things) rarely has any affect, but lots of them often can have an affect on some, not all, children. We had a ban on Charlie & Lola for a while as that whiney demading little brat seemed to move in & it was not going to be tolerated When it was reintroduced
complete with threats of a permanent ban if I heard any Lola Whinging as a rare 'treat' we didn't have any problems. We've never had a problem with Peppa though... <and personally I love it! Snort, fall over laughing>
Maybe that's where ds's sudden announcements of "yuk!" have come from. If I am honest I would say yuk to a lot of the things we try to feed him.
Children pick up all kinds of things. How we parent it makes a difference. I can't say I blame Peppa Pig. I get a whole 5 minutes uninterrupted while he watches!
dd1 has learnt lots of good stuff from Peppa, such as not getting over excited when bees or wasps approach and various random but interesting facts. I'd say it's very educational rather than encouraging bad behaviour.
Now Holly (Ben and), you could suggest that she doesn't listen to grown ups with all that magic she does when she shouldn't!
I bloody love PP. I think it's genuinely funny for parents as well as kids (which is a blessed relief). Mummy pig is a great role model, and they're always having fun!
My kids love it, they also love chocolate cake, but as yet I'm not convinced of cause and effect. If they're naughty I'd love to blame tv, but that's not normally the case.
I've notived several childrens tv programmes encourage less desirable behaviour in children of all ages. Peppa Pig is a great example for younger children as is Horrid Henry for older children. However, providing there are form boundaries in place for children and parents actively discuss TV programmes and talk about such behaviours with them, then it shouldn't become a major issue.
Love Peppa Pig in this house, what a load a rubbish.
DD2 3 is having a strop right now because the PP DVD is too scratched to watch.
yy to Mummy pig as a great role model, the fairground episode kills me every time.
Oh don't get me wrong, Im quite fond of Peppa Pig, as kids' tv goes, but it's a bit hard not to see cause and effect when your 3yo starts parroting PP's attitude word for word. I still let her watch it and correct her behaviour when she gets out of her box but she certainly copies it.
DS is 22 months old and absolutely loves Peppa Pig! Many things contribute to any naughty behaviour, but I can safely say that Peppa is not one of them! He will happily (and intently) watch an episode and even laughs at the funny bits. The Peppa Pig ladybird board books also have a similar effect. And reading one of them in particular has an almost instant tantrum-stopping effect! My husband often comments that Daddy Pig is a good fatherly example (gets involved in kids upbringing etc) and I think some of the episodes are also quite educational. If nothing else, it's taught DS that pigs oink and that jumping in puddles should only be done when wearing wellies!
I wouldn't go as far as the article but peppa has introduced the boring idea and I also loathe the best friend thing which is reinforced by peppa. However she does enjoy and follow it and will play out/imagine stories. Also on a positive note I can live with the ott nature of lazy town as has encouraged her to brush her teeth and eat fruit.
My 3 year old certainly copies the attitude and yucks....but the most annoying one is the jumping in muddy puddles when out walking the dog, not always with her wellies on either!!
Yes the best friend thing is V annoying! Most three year olds will play happily with any other kids! However...it's not Peppa that makes kids naughty...lack of parental instruction/crrection does that amongst other things.
The same was said of Teletubbies wasn't it? Personally I think they pick up undesirable behaviours at nursery too. Influence is everywhere unfortunately.
I love Peppa and here's why:
Characters speak clearly and politely. This yuk business has to be put in context, George eats the salad when GP Pig makes it into a dinosaur ad eats carrots at the Rabbit household.
If a character is silly or rude the adult characters point it out and the child character adjust.
There's usually a little moral in every story which you can discuss as the kids get older.
Miss Rabbit totally rocks. And the George Ice Skating episode is comedy gold.
Alright I could live without the puddle jumping, but there's worse things in life.
There are plenty of other programmes on my shit list. Looking at you Max and Ruby and Rugrats!
I agree, my neice watches it and some of the behaviour she copies is pretty horrible... i don't like it and wont be allowing my dd to watch it
Dd and I love Peppa Pig here. I wouldnt say any bad behaviour is attributed to Peppa at all. Again agree she has picked up the educational side rather than anything else. Its much more interesting than anything ds used to watch at 2 such as fireman sam and thomas which almost bored me to tears. Daddy pig is great to watch, I think he is naughtier than Peppa.
I don't see what Peppa does that is so 'naughty' tbh.
Exactly Mud she's always pulled up on behaviour by either the adults or her friends.
I speak as someone that practically weeps when Milkshape announce new episodes. I could do Peppa Pig as a Mastermind specialist subject.
Current favourite is Mr Fox the spiv.
I recall saying the same thing about Thomas.
Just off to rebuild the Island of Sodor for DS.
DDs second word was peppa
Just when I was worrying she would never say anything more than mum mum mum she piped up with peppa when it came on one day.
DS and DD both love it. My only complaint is there's not enough new episodes!
I don't like Peppa Pig. She is a horrible rude brat who never gets told off, which puts me off. I do like Charlie and Lola. Although I do wonder who puts them on the "simmer down chairs" as you never see their parents!
Thankfully DD (4) Doesn't seem to like Peppa anymore and says she's too bossy and a "poohead". I have literally never been so happy when she told me that
I think Peppa is responsible for dd's 'this cubby is only for girls' attitude.
I agree desperately. Peppa is a little madam and the parents are shit. I wouldn't say it made my kids naughty but they did pick up some silly stuff of there like one episode they were burping and laughing so my kids started making themselves burp. Anyway I think the piece is way over the top but I did hate Peppa Pig. Luckily my kids don't watch it anymore.
I must be missing something here. I don't see how peppa is a rude brat
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
Stranded- its possibly because they (shock horror) burp and even blow raspberries. Sure sign on future asbos.
Of not on. Stupid fat fingers.
I'd be quite worried if my DS said " poohead" though. Can't recall learning that gem of good behaviour from Peppa (smile)
I suppose poohead is slightly better than shithead
I found the one with the parrot quite provocative. My ds went around saying 'you silly old bird' for a whole day and we never watched Peppa again.
I also dislike Daddy Pig, I think he's digusting. He would be the last person I'd sit next to on a train.
we love Peppa! She's not a rude brat at all & she has lots of fun whilst being devoted to family life. Yes we got a few "I'm not your best friend anymore" from DD but that was amusing rather than naughty.
we love Madam Gazalle - woooooo!
I don't think young kids need Peppa to get them jumping in muddy puddles - surely small children have been doing that since time began?
Start warming up the naughty step Mud.
Silly old bird? You stopped watching peppa for the phrase silly old bird?!
Peppa has manners, has fun and doesn't beat up George. Mummy and Daddy pig seem to enjoy spending time with their children and they play outside a lot.
How can anyone blame pp for your child's behavior its tv my 3 year old loves pp and when shes naughty she gets told off its called parenting
Because people always want an excuse. I know why DS plays up and it's because I'm inconsistent at times, not because a cartoon pig stuck her tongue out!
I really don't think that Peppa contributes to bad behaviour. Her language is good and her interaction with the other characters is nearly always positive. When it isn't then she is pulled up.
The family is always having fun together. They speak nicely with each other and enjoy each other's company. DS has enjoyed eating with us at at the table since seeing Peppa and George enjoying their dinner with Mummy and Daddy Pig.
Yes there are raspberries and burps but I see that as being irreverent humour that engages the child. It certainly tickles me.
just wait until your kids start watching Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network. the rules are as follows: All dads are stupid and often unemployed, all mothers are busy working mums with no time for kids, all little sisters are evil.
Every disney/Nick/CN program follows this. Best friends are usually fairly stupid too.
I stopped my son watching some awful cartoon this morning when the annoying character was constantly answering back to its mother, with the final retort from the character to its parent being - well you gave birth to me!
I hate these programs they teach bratty, self centred behaviour and that it doesnt matter how rude you are, you are more clever than your parents/peers and you will get away with it.
This is life isn't it? They see someone behaving differently to them - be it peppa pig, horrid henry, bloody hannah montana ... or (far more likely IME)someone at school or nursery - and they try it out for themselves to see what the response is. It is the response that matters!!
My fave episode - the one where the dads have a bbq and the mums go out in the fire engine to sort the inferno out.
I've watched a lot of Peppa Pig (sometimes through choice ), I'm not seeing the rudeness to be honest, but maybe my standards are a bit lax! I like it, the "kids" have a lot of friends, there are grandparents, sole parents, differing family structures, annoying little brothers, patronising elder cousins etc - a lot like every day life.
Its all a bit reminiscent of when my Mum stopped me watching Grange Hill because she thought the pupils were rude to the teachers, she reneged so we could "discuss" the Zammo drug taking, and the teenage pregnancy, my mum was a bit ahead of her time - I was mortified at the time.
I always thought Peppa was pretty hard on George - I remember spending an awful lot of time saying "Ohh that wasn't nice was it DD?, poor old George"
I like it when Grandpa Pig falls asleep on the boat and leaves them stranded on the island. It always tickles me that at least they'd have lamb/pork chops and bacon to survive on.
She's hard on George but really he does need to toughen up a bit. She doesn't hit or bite him though and she does sometimes let him play.
Suzy Sheep is the rude brat IMO.
My kids love it. It does not cause any bad behaviour in them at all. I have always considered it lovely with the please and thank you's, playing nicely with her brother etc.
I'll tell you what does cause my children to become devils. Igam ogam
When i saw this on morning news i laughed so much. Really? If thats the case maybe you should make kids watch Phineas & Ferb from the age of 1. Those 2 kids make plenty of creative inventions & manage to get rid of the evidence without polluting the world. HA!
This has just been featured on This Morning - slow news day??? Had the sound off so don't know what they said.
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
one more thing to worry about....
<chucks DD a treat>
You mean they aren't pets?
No I find that they have a goldfish weird but I've told myself it's that if the fish was a proper character it wouldnt be able to run about with the others.
Peppa is rude and extremely annoying but she is also my saviour for whenever I need peace to do anything, dd hasn't become naughty from watching it, she has picked up the odd thing but its our job to stop the peppa-isms
What a load of crap and hey it is the daily mail, quelle surprise
Some parents do seem overly precious. Or I'm overly lax I can't make up my mind.
A lot of fuss over a drawing of a pig!
Am still PMSLing at the comment unthread that Daddy Pig is the last person you'd want to sit next to on the train. Genius.
one day the DM might report on something that is actually, shock, newsworthy
The Telegraph have gone down in my estimation by reporting it
Don't get me started on Horrid Bloomin Henry.
I definitely attribute overuse of yuk and constant blowing of raspberries in our house to Peppa and these things I could live without, but my 3.5 DD would not dream of jumping in puddles without her boots on thanks to this show! Overall I think there's a fairly good balance of realistic behaviour and the show demonstrating right and wrong. Much prefer this to nauseating things like Barney where the kids are freakishly well behaved and really irritating, at least pig has a sense of humour...
Not sure about Peppa Pig making toddlers naughty (aren't they all at times?)... but I have banned it in our house mainly because I absolutely hate it but also because I am not keen on children calling their parents silly, messy and naughty (Thinking about it, I am not hugely keen on parents calling their children silly, messy and naughty either).
I loathe Peppa Pig. DS has just started to like it at 4 (mostly cos he hasn't been able to see much of it thanks to parental loathing). But I sit and comment on George's appalling cry-baby behaviour, tantruming when he can't get his own way; and Peppa's bossiness and annoying behaviour. Daddy Pig is a figure of fun which isn't helpful in most cases, ditto Grandpa Pig. And as for them all throwing themselves onto their backs and shaking the floor with laughter, pah.
DS has taken to throwing himself to the floor to attempt a tantrum, but I will not allow him to do so. I'm sure if he was a different temperament, he would carry on regardless of what I think/want - but he's mostly pretty good about stopping.
However, he has started with the "I don't like you any more, you're not my best friend" rubbish to both me and DH now - could just be a coincidence, might not be.
There are a lot of children's programmes that are unhelpful in terms of demonstrations of poor behaviour though - a severe lack of manners in lots of them for starters. But then I am an old gimmer and think that childrens' programmes should set a good example - no doubt they'd be bored by that and refuse to watch them (a GOOD thing, probably!)
Peppa Pig is fine - its soddling Lola from Charlie and Lola I have an issue with - thanks to her DS1 took against tomatoes, peas, fishfingers etc. Thank god for Charlie - at least he was a good longsuffering big brother role model for DS1 to model himself on when DS2 came along...
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
I think Peppa is a bossy young lady who needs to be taken down a peg or two.
Georges speech is not the best and the main message seems to be, let's laugh at silly daddy the lumbering fool. Too sexist.
DS (6) has been watching Peppa for years now, the dentist episode was the only way I could get him to get on the dentist's couch and show his teeth! So I have a lot to thank peppa for. He loved blowing raspberries and jumping in puddles waaay before he encountered peppa. Surely Little Princess is much worse, she's a spoilt little brat and never bothers to get dressed!
Spoke to my parents about this earlier.
Apparently a big complaint is that they jump in muddy puddles.
They are pigs!!!!!!!
Children always want to jump in puddles, PP or no PP, it's what children like to do.
The whole thing is silly.
I might be flamed for this, and let me preface it by saying, I know they are a family of pigs, but I think it sends out the message it is ok to be overweight.
You know the episode where Daddy pig is supposed to be doing sit ups but instead is watching formula 1, it sends out this message it is normal to not want to exercise and to pretend to do it but not do it, and you have to be forced to do it. It is normal for all grown ups to be overweight. There are other episodes where they are all red faced and struggling to do any exercise.
Now as I say I know they are Pigs, lol, but I don't like that message. They all seem to like over eating and not making healthy choices. Pity, I'ld prefer if it was Peppa the lithe mountain goat or some such other fit and healthy animal, that loved running around having fun.
I love peppa. I think it's good that she can say when things are silly and disgusting and that she has her own opinions on things.
I don't see what's rude about her. Surely children need to know that it's ok to speak their mind and not just parrot their parents opinions.
My little girls LOVE it. But I must say that they do tend to try and jump in muddy puddles with their best shoes on. I still think it's a charming programme.
That's a good point!
Sorry new to this. that's a good point MudAndGlitter
DS copies things such as you're not my best friend anymore but I just tell him that's ok I'll be his best friend later.
I really don't see the harm in it. I think the fact that they're fat is irrelevant. They are pigs and also they do a lot of running, chasing and jumping so perhaps they're just big boned.
There is an article in dailymail Is Peppa Pig making toddlers naughty? Parents despair as children copy cartoon by answering back.
My children watch Peppa Pig in the morning but it is not their favourite cartoon. I do not usually pay attention to what they say, however, once I did not like an episode about the thunder storm. I think daddy pig was telling the kids to get out and fetch the toys. Not very clever.
But Peppa Pig is nothing in contrast to Roald Dahl's creations. I have just read to my children Matilda and George's marvellous medicine. Both of them loved the stories and so I am but the word "twit" is still staying in my head as many other words
I dont get your point about not getting exercsise, they are always going for walks and daddy plays football with all the other daddies
Wow Peppa is being blamed for children jumping in muddy puddles , and using the word yuck for vegetables. This has been going on way before Peppa Pig came on the scene. I like Peppa, she is well spoken and polite, and does the normal ribbing of Daddy pig and mummy that any normal child does. I remember doing it myself, its hardly being rude, rather funny really. My dd 4.6 has a speech and language delay, and Peppa and her friends have very good speech in which dd can model from unlike ITNG and Teletubbies, as well as us, but this is on the level she should be speaking at.
I don't mind Peppa Pig.
I think shows like that reflect children's behaviour rather than children copying what they see on the TV. IME all children fart, burp, laugh at farting and burping, cry when they don't get their own way, and say "you're not my best friend any more" (especially once they start school or preschool).
What matters is how you as a parent react and manage their behaviour.
Mollydoggerson, I would be more worried about dad watching F1 than seeing him overweight because pigs are not supposed to be thin. They look roundish. I hate when my DH spends precious family time watching F1 (football or other sport programmes glued to the TV) instead of playing with kids and would not like my two sons to be like that.
DD2 loves Peppa, and so do I. Yes she jumps in puddles and is bossy and falls out with her friend, and George says NO and wants to eat only chocolate cake...erm, sounds like most kids I know, whether they watch PP or not!
I think Peppa has lots of good messages and is strangely realistic (even if they are pigs). And I wish more people would fall on the floor and laugh while waving their legs in the air in real life
I also love Ben & Holly
because it's a bit longer and you can get more done while they watch it Nanny Plum ROCKS.
I only need to say to DD1 when she wants to jump into puddles with her best shoes 'Peppa says ''if you jump in muddy puddles you must wear your boots''' and I get total compliance!
Georges speech is not the best - I always assumed George to be a youngish toddler in which case he does very well with his pronunciation of "Dinosaur"
BernieTheBolt - me too! Peppa has done wonders for obedience in that regard.
Daddy Pig is fantastic, and the whole thing is great. Children are polite to adults and vice versa, there's lots of playing outside and playing together, the speech is clear, and there's those lovely little touches - Daddy Pig carries home the biggest Christmas tree, Mummy Pig says are you sure it will fit in the room, Daddy Pig says I'll make sure it fits...
There's jumping in muddy puddles (hell, I remember doing plenty of that at Peppa's age, long before PP), but only when wellies are being worn.
And what CoffeeMummy said.
I love Peppa.
However, dd got reallly into it when she was just starting to speak, and did come out with a lot of "nnno!" and "yuck!" just like George. I think that has been cancelled out by "When you jump in muddy puddles you must wear your boots".
DS loves Peppa Pig but does seem to have regressed since he got into it and can no longer name all the makes of tractor - his previous obsession.
I would however like my sofa back, for a few weeks now it has been a pirate ship constantly sailing to pirate island with all the necessary kit on it to survive there. And we have to journey there with him. Every evening.
Oh so that's where I am going wrong? I had wrongly assumed it was something to do with a combination of age and parenting (or lack there of). If it's Peppa's fault that's fine, so long as it's not me
Dd2 jumps in muddy puddles too, without wellies, but I am of the attitude that her feet will dry and her socks will wash so no real harm is done. I'm sure we (my sisters and I) used to jump in puddles, answer back and refuse vegetables when we were young. That must've been Topsy and Tim's fault, was it?
I'm with Gwendoline on this. Peppa Pig is a spoilt brat and I can tell when DC1 has been watching it. Same for Charlie and Lola. BUT I do think they are a good way of allowing DC to act out social dilemmas - and both characters do tend to see the light at the end of the episode.
Annoying? Yes. Damaging? Nah.
My DS says 'YUCK" to everything now. I blame that pink pig........
There's much worse they could be watching - I despair at Waybuloo, Noddy has plenty of bad behaviour and is just, well, weird, and don't even get me started on the biggest brat of them all - Angelina Ballerina
I don't see naughty behaviour in Peppa Pig. What do they do that is naughty?!
What CoffeeMummy said.
Ridiculous. People blaming a cartoon for their poor parenting skills. Take responsibility for your own child's behaviour. Our older children said no and yuk and <shock, horror> even jumped in puddles before PP even existed.
George pig is meant to be 18 month old (read it somewhere) thats why he speaks like that.
I have never worried about mine watching it, in fact DS1 named his bro after one of characters
Will look out for all the awful behaviour in in tomorrow, when I plonk mine down for their brekkie in front of milkshake.
I have noticed though that they frequently make Daddy pig look like twat.
DD#2 loves PP and I haven't seen her behaviour change because of it.
Daddy pig is always such a fuckin idiot most of the time and Mummy pig sorts things out so of course its highly realistic television.
love it, hate Mr bloody tumble in the one where he plays all the parts though, just an excuse to cross dress imo, wierd.
Oh my DD has just recently been saying "your my best friend ever" as I work, I don't watch much PP but could this be from there???
AND I believe my DD is just going through a stage of pushing boundaries as all children of between 1 and 16 do!!!!!
Has no one noticed that the entire story is a complete lift from a funny MN thread? I'm pretty sure it's off the back of a thread a week or two ago where everyone was having a laugh about their children being terribly well-spoken now they all watch Peppa Pig.
This quote seems to be the basis of the story "parents complain"...
^"My daughter keeps saying no and yuk in a really high and mighty way, just like Peppa does, and generally answering back when I ask her to do something.
Shall I ban Peppa Pig, or is that being totally unreasonable?^
Tea, yes, I had noticed that. Lazy DM journalism on a low news day... but it has got another good thread going here!
Has anyone else noticed that Mummy Plum (ben and Holly) is in fact Mrs Rabbit in Peppa Pig?
Agree about the lazy journalism...they basically came on here, read a thread and turned it into "news" (and I use the word loosely)
What shall we start a thread on to see if it ends up in the dm in a few days time?
Yes Molly. And Grandpa Pig is the Wise old elf. Might be more...
Amandine, could do, but do you really want to make their life easier?!
Ben and Holly is by the same people as PP - its designed to be the next step up - longer episodes, more involved stories etc. Thats why the same voices are in them. DS (2.4) adores peppa and has graduated onto Ben and Holly also. He gets so much pleasure from them, has picked up loads of words and I wouldn't dream of stopping him. Sometimes we watch together which is a lovely way to spend 30 mins when he has been tearing around with other kids at the CM all day and sometimes he watches while I get on with other things. B&H definitely superior in terms of adult entertainment - I reckon Nanny Plum and the Wise Old Elf are secretly at it like rabbits (Watch Acorn Day for comedy gold)!
Ben and Holly is most excellent.
"It's a mutiny! A mutiny on the Bunty!"
we love peppa pig We often all watch together ( me, dh, dd1 (7yrs!) and dd2 (3yrs)) and chat about it too. I don't see that she's rude - I wish my dds had the manners of peppa, and I often wish I had the patience/parenting wisdom om mummy and daddy pig! DH and I have often tried to model ourselves on them when we're getting too uptight about something. If Peppa and George say "mummy/ daddy can we all go and play outside", they don't say "when I've finished
on MN the ironing/washing up" or whatever it is, they just prioritise family time and having fun together. I don't think it's sexist - maybe daddy pig-ist - but not sexist - he's often making lunch for cleaning up. Their family roles seem quite balanced to me.
I'm a bit too obsessed aren't I?
My fave episode is Mr Skinnylegs -"oooooooh, he is big isn't he?!"
Peppa Pig is so harmless and sweet.
How is she a brat exactly?!
Charlie and Lola is outright hilarious - so what if my nearly 4 year old DD occasionally now quips "I am NOT sleepy and I will NOT go to bed"! (she is, and then does, by the way)...they will always copy and cite stuff back, but the point is she knows it's just a film and that it's meant to be funny, so hasn't changed her behaviour in the slightest. Plus, as others have said, at least there are the little moral tales hidden within, as well.
What I really loathe are Waybuloos and Rasta-effing-mouse, who do not speak properly, or in the case of Waybuloos not at all...DD imitating dialogue/expressions or general English which is incomplete or incorrect, really pisses me off - hard enough to get kids speaking good English without crap that encourages the opposite.
Trixie and Sidge I love Acorn Day too, but top favourite is the TRIP TO THE MOON. I love the way the Wise Old Elf wears a Gene Krantz (Apollo 13) waistcoat in mission control.
I need to get out more
Someone else already mentioned the episode with mummy pig at the fair. that one's my favourite.
My dd is
called Lola, she's quoted on several occasions, "I will not ever, not never eat a tomatoe" they do make her gag, and she loves pink milk, she doesn't even watch it that often its just who she is, a mental normal toddler.
We're big PP fans here - I think it reflects normal childish behaviour rather than encouraging it tbh and would agree with those whose children will now not jump in muddy puddles unless they have their boots on !
My favourite episode is when they go to daddy pig's work - they do such unbelievably pointless jobs which is a fair reflection of a lot of office jobs really !
My kids used to watch this when they were younger. I think the show just bases its charactors on typical toddler/pre school behaviour rather than kids copying the behaviour. I think they would show these behaviours whether or not they watch the show as its part of normal development; testing boundries etc..
Mummy and Daddy Pig are role models in this house they are so unflappable and calm but don't let P & G get away with real naughtiness. In fact WWDPD (What would Daddy Pig do) is Spink family code when dh is losing his patience with the dcs and getting flustered...
sunflower exactly - I think the makers of the show have really looked at 3-year-olds and younger toddlers and modelled Peppa and George on that. I don't see Peppa as particularly rude or cheeky at all, just a normal 3yo - when mine were that age they were perfectly capable of understanding what was funny and what was rude.
Parents looking for an excuse, IMO.
Pepp has got me through rainy days, illnesses, long haul flights, and lazy days for over 4 years now; I won;t hear a bad word said against her! I was delighted when DD2 took over where DD1 left off!!
Holly is played by Zoe Zebra - i lurve Ben and Holly too - magic!
Best Ben & Holly is The Party ("Tarquin's a monster !") with the room of unspeakable things that Redbeard has to rescue them from. Nanny Plum (Miss Rabbit) is comedy gold.
Also Grampy Rabbit as voiced by Brian Blessed is wonderful.
The one thing DS has picked up from that is, on hearing "That's not funny, DS" he will reply with "It is a bit funny" which, unfortunately, 9 times out of 10 makes me laugh
Is the "You are my best friend/not my best friend/my best friend EVER" thing from Peppa Pig? DS does that as well, it is quite a handy way to find out who he's pleased with and who he's cross with...
Trip to the moon is great - Nanny Plum lost in space "and she didn't even go to to the toilet!". Was mildly at the Elf Games when Holly wants "looking pretty" in as an event, backed up by Lizzie Elf, but again, may be spending TOO much time on this . Overall, as with most things, people are always looking for something to have a go at. PP and B&H are intelligent, well scripted and deal with (especially in PP) realistic scenarios, not frigging ninky nonks and whatever the fuck else is going on in the night garden
The makers of Peppa Pig/Ben and Holly are excellent indeed. I love programmes which work on two levels.
I adore PP.
Fellow PP lovers should watch out for it at the theatre. It gets pretty mixed reviews but I think is PERFECT for a first theatre. I've been twice and am considering going a third time (have taken a different daughter each time but my youngest at 3.5 still talks about it loads and we went about 8 months ago).
My favourite B&H is the one where the Elves arrange a birthday party for King Thistle who is in denial about his age, and sing the strangely catch tune, 'Old King Thistle is a very old king, and he's one year older today'!
My fav PP is Edward Elephant's bday party where Peppa and her pals are 'helpers'. Been there done that - it reflects reality.
I also like the visit to the newborn cousin where George pretends to be a baby.
peppa pig should be banned because it is absolutely bloody shite and probably the most annoying programme on televison.
"here's Daddy pig "said in really annoying voice
"here's mummy pig"
"hello mummy" etc etc etc.
I just love the way B&HLK is so surreal in parts - JELLY FLOOD!!!! - and yet so risque in others. A bit like Pixar films, it goes right over the children's heads but adults love it.
My new mantra may have to be what would mummy pig do!
If only I were that calm and unflappable!
Most of the responses are rational, but some of them make these forums a laughing stock. If you think that Peppa Pig is offensive or whatever, you really need to get out more.
Love the newborn cousin - DS1 couldn't believe the baby pig had the same name as him !
YY to the Ben & Holly episode of the King's birthday - brilliant .
Both programmes eminently more watchable that most of the shite that passes for children's programmes nowadays .
Love Peppa Pig kids like it because it reflects pretty accurately what they are like.
Also like charlie and lola and the one where everything is recycled.
Don't like waybaloo - think its cheap terrible tat and luckily my dd has enough sense to think so to!!!
it reflects accurately what kids are like?
What? personality-free pigs in human clothes who can drive cars and live on top of a really realistic hill?
It's a bloody big hill though!
So, I like that there's a mum and a dad, a brother and a sister and grandparents (I realise this isn't every kids experience but it's amazing how few TV programmes present this). I like that they do normal kid activities like going to the library and going swimming and shopping and doing the recycling. It's slow and tame and calm. My dds have LOVED it from ages 2 to 4. It certainly reflects kids experiences more than teletubbies, fimbles and waybelloos (or whatever, my kids don't watch) and other programmes aimed at similar ages.
I agree with MOS Edmund elephants birthday is a brilliant peppa pig episode, the disheveled exhausted look of the 'bigger' children is priceless and accurate.
My favourite episode is the one where Daddy pig tries to put the picture up. Priceless.
They must have a hell of a piggy hoover to vacuum up that rubble though. Anyone know where I can buy one?
The worst example must be the Mr Men on Milkshake at 7.10. Mr rude usually crams in at least one fart.
Poor old Mr Quiet roped behind him nearly fell off the mountain.
Love Ben & Holly. And yes I'm convinced the wise old elf and Nanny plum are at it in the classroom after Elf School.
Can imagine her casting the spell now... Elf so wise, let it rise....
Peppa always has the last word- irritating
I do think kids mimic what they see but also what they see in nursery or playground. My hubby has said on occasion no to peppa but then i find him watching thundercats with dd which at 3 i think is unexceptable would rather have a child saying no than fighting.
Also Ben & Holly, Peppa Pig humf etc are all made by the same people with most of same people doing the voices so one is no better than the other. The one i really disliked was Angelina ballerina what a horrid example. Horrid henry well it' in the title it's not going to be bring you mum flowers lol
But let's be honest we all think she would make a great bacon butty
Just choked laughing at ferrets erection spell
My fave peppa pig episode is the one with the lighthouse where brian blessed is in charge
When they arrive:
Brian (granpa dog I think): It gets so lonely out here on my own
Peppa: Oh how long have you been here?
Brian (booming merrily): Since Tuesday!
And at the end when they have to phone and ask him to put the foghorn on, and the foghorn is grandpa dog (?) ie Brian yelling "FOOOOOOOOOOOOOGGGG" through a megaphone
Makes me every time
Ben and holly is really funny too. The episode with the giant fish when Mr Elf gets to say "It's Mutiny! Mutiny on the Bunty"
This is sad, fair enough children can learn bad habits from tv programmes, but its not just cartoons they can get bad habits from, but it's our job as parents to actually teach them the way they should and shouldn't behave.
My daughter loves peppa pig and has Learnt loads from this. She knows she's not aloud to jump in puddles if she isn't wearing her wellies and this show helped her with her counting and also how to share toys. She's not a perfect child, but no child is.
If she started to act out, I would never put it down to a cartoon, I'll just sit her down and explain to her why she should act the way she just did. She knows she can only watch cartoons if she's being good and as soon as she starts messing around she'll get a warning and if she carries on they go off.
Most parents would say their kids would pick up bad behaviour from nursery and school, but you wouldn't take them out of it would you....
I think some people just like to complain about everything....all I say is stop complaining and actually spend more time with your children and then they will probably stop acting out.....
DD (4) has been watching Peppa for about 2 years now (not continuously, I hasten to add ). We love it - I think there's far more bratty behaviour modelled on The Little Princess (everyone has to do exactly what she wants all the time) and Angelina Ballerina, and don't get me started on that annoying little shite Noddy!
The only Peppa episode I didn't feel set a good example was the one about Mr Skinnylegs the spider - fair enough, in the end it showed George and Peppa fine with the spider, but at first Mummy, Daddy and Peppa were all really scared of it, and I'd been trying so hard to never react as if spiders were scary things for dd - this episode then put in her mind that actually spiders are something to be scared of.
Otherwise fab - love the episodes about hanging the picture, Monsieur Donkey and Delphine coming over from France, and the time capsule one where there was a video of Daddy Pig and all the other grown ups when they were children (still with Mdme Gazelle as their teacher!) .
I love PP. My kids have watched it for years and neither has an urge to jump in muddy puddles. Peppa is a bit bossy and cheeky at times, but both my children seem to recognise that and will say "Peppa is being mean to George again". Mummy pig is a saint. Daddy pig is such a brilliant character. Miss Rabbit is wonder woman . I like the one where Daddy puts up a picture.
Though I'm an even bigger fan of Ben & Holly! So is DH. Nanny Plum is one of the best characters on TV and I'm actually quite surprised that they can get away with her in a kids programme.
i love peppa pig, i don't think it sets a bad example. kids were playing up, not listening and eating chocolate cake long before peppa pig kept along!!!
I am really struggling to see where/when exactly is Peppa rude or brattish.
It is a program for small children, who btw can be rude and brattish, it is their job.
Nor can I say anything bad about poor Charlie and Lola. Yes, she can be a pita at times, but again, many children (and adults!) can be!
What a useless article.
And btw, good tv programs for children/good literature for children will always model some "bad behaviour" because this is how children reflect and act about it.
It is us the parents who have the responsibility to help our children make sense of what they see on tv, etc.
i was just so glad when my DD got into peppa and i didn't have to watch In the night garden any more - if I have to sit through any more of those i think i'll stick my head in the oven!!!
I agree Lisa - Peppa gave us some light relief from SHOUTY Dora!
Snort. I LOVE the idea that people could blame something as innocent and actually very real like Peppa Pig for their kids behaviour. For a start if your child is not behaving well after watching any show TURN IT OFF. Simples. Secondly - your childs behaviour is your problem. Manage it better. I can see the headlines now - "two year old child says yuck to veg" "four year old girl whines when she doesnt get her own way". Yip - shocker, got to be the non-violent, non-aggressive, educational, gentle cartoons fault! Never heard of such extreme behaviour in tiny adults......................
I love Peppa Pig.
I am struggling with the next level up of children's TV, though. Made it through about 3 minutes of Ben 10 before insisting on the switch back to CBeebies. Thought Ben 10 was the most appalling load of tosh I had ever seen.
Then DS came back from school demanding to watch Spongebob Squarepants. Well, we watched one episode. Never again. Never, ever again, not until he is 18. And has bought his own TV. And a house to watch it in.
Oh Spongebob is not funny at all, I find.
For my dc next level up were old episodes of Scooby Doo (I am snobbish re new ones), and Charlie and Lola.
My eldest is now 9.5 and likes Phineas and Pherb.
Perhaps parents should stop blaming television every time their child 'misbehaves'. My niece is one of the world's biggest PP fans and she's extremely well behaved- sure like a little girl is supposed to be, she has her moments but the programmes I watched when I was younger (Rainbow or The Magic Roundabout but to name a few) had not only contained sexual innuendo but also drug references. I have neither turned out to be a sex pest or a drug addict, in fact far from it!
I am sure Stalin never saw Peppa Pig.
even before then - most of the old nursery rhymes and fairy tales are gory in the extreme - I dont believe I have stolen any geese lately or attempted to kidnap and cook children and I was raised on a steady diet of those.
my 76 year old mother loves Spongebob - well she likes Patrick best - and DS has introduced her to Phineas and Ferb! Grandma rocks.
Older DDs have got her into Glee and Women Who Kill. What a combination!
when DS was small, Grandma used to mind him quite a lot and was on occasions overheard referring to Bob the Builder as Bob the effing builder.
here s a thought - get a life all those who get upset over a bloody kids programme - if you don't like it TURN IT OFF. you are making mumsnet a laughing stock.
cambridge ferret - mr men seem to have completely got away with making mr rude French, Mr Mean Scottish and Mr Lazy from Liverpool!!
Has no one else noticed (sorry if they have and I'm blind..) that the article says under the photo of the toddler 'tantrumming' -
"Tantrum: Parents on the Mumsnet site said that many toddlers had started arguing over what foods they liked and saying 'yuck' and 'no'"
I love Peppa and The Koala Brothers and Curious George!
The best tv programme has got to be Diddy Dick and Dom - is that wrong?
Suzi2 I agree about nanny plum! I love the witch episode. Nanny plum's humour is fantastic
But yes, love pp, too.
Actually I also prefer Ben and holly because they are twice as long
I LOVE Peppa. I really miss her and George now my sons are big and don't like her any more. If you don't like Peppa you wait til they get into Kevin 11.
I love peppa and george i stop everything to watch this with my 3 yr old he knows some episodes off by heart . cant believe some people actually think a childs programme can MAKE their children naughty ignore the bad behaviour embrace and encourage the good . jump in those muddy puddles i know i like to thats what washing machines were meant for
I don't think that Peppa Pig makes my dc 'naughty' I just don't like the language used in it. So we don't watch it anymore. No big deal.
I can't get over how ridiculous this idea is. Yes your child may copy something they've heard on tv but you cannot blame it for "naughty" behaviour. Most children will refuse food at some point, they've been doing it long before Peppa Pig was invented and most children would choose chocolate cake over salad any day. As other people have said, George eats the vegetables in the end anyway. And you cannot possibly tell me that the only place your child will learn the word "yuck" from is this programme. My son says it because I taught him it when he tried to put some thing he picked up off the floor into his mouth. I don't understand why a child having a best friend is such a problem, I had one all the way through primary school and we're still friends now. Jumping in muddy puddles is not naughty, it's educational. They say please and thank you and have minor tantrums or disagreements like any child that are resolved by saying sorry. My child has learnt all sorts of words and concepts that are above and beyond the average for an 18 month old. If you don't like it don't put it on for your children but as a parent you should be able to explain that whilst Peppa may behave in a certain way, it's not how you expect them to behave... or maybe that she's a talking pig and isn't real. Are they not going to see "naughty" children at school/ at the park etc?
Daily Main in middle-class angst moral rant (snore). Daily Mail steals thread from Mumsnet (again) on slow news day (snore).
I heard that Hitler used to watch Peppa Pig. It's true. The Daily Mail said it.
My fave PP episode is where Daddy Pig 'finds' the ducks in the fog, by falling into the pond. Peppa says well done (or something) and Daddy Pig says, dripping with sarcasm, "Yes, what a stroke of luck". This phrase has entered our household lexicon - we couldn't live without it.
What bothers me about the DM (among many other things) is that they end up blaming parents for doing something (anything). Could they just give us a bluddy break? We're doing our best and kids act up - that's their job, get over it.
Daily mail journos may want to stop surfing mumsnet/other sites/twitter for stories.
Fair enough sometimes you get same story across the media but mail doesn't seem to bother putting any kind of interpretation/research on it.
I'm just curious goodasgold as to what language you didn't like?
Generally I think you could do a lot worse than PP, but a few things do drive me nuts, a few of which have been mentioned before - the best friend thing, the jumping in muddy puddles (though to be fair we all shout "you must wear your boots!!") and the blowing raspberries... ooh, it drives me nuts!
I don't let my kids watch PP mainly because in every episode daddy pig is seen to be a buffoon, always followed by a scathing 'silly daddy' by the rest of the family : @
HavePatience The final straw was where they are stuck on the boat and Grandad Pig calls the parrot a 'silly old bird'. The parrot then repeats this a lot.
I haven't seen that one. I'm also not originally from the UK. Is silly a naughty word here?
Wow.. you guys have been forced to watch too much children's TV i think. Do you really think that Peppa Pig makes kids naughty? if it was a pig who did acted like a robot who did nothing funny or naughty I'm sure you would all be here talking about - Peppa Pig is not like any little girl i know, she should be naughty and more entertaining to kids. NO?
I think my dad, brother & sisters boyfriend are making DD naughty. She's always going on about farts burps bums poops wee pants. Don't get me started on the songs!!
I was in absolute shock when i heard this on TV! Parents that like to blame anything and anyone on their naughty child's behaviour? -I have one thing to say- Don't have it on TV then!!!! Get your lazy asses off chat sites like this and manage what your child watches! END OF! Peppa Pig is a fantastic child's programme I even get into it myself! Parents that blame TV/others really need to look in the mirror! I have 4 children and always manage what my children watch. Maybe also these parents don't understand their own children!- Children of all ages love splashing in muddy puddles whether they watch Peppa or not and part of child hood is to test and learn what we can and can't get away with in life!!!- These parents that "blame" must have had a very harsh/ boring/ serious/ deprived up bringing. Or maybe they just have nothing better to do with their time! Get a job! Complete sad acts! Or if you don't like the world we live in don't have any more kids! -simples- :p
Sorry i think my message has gone on the wrong thread :s ooops lol there was a similar discussion with parents but they were really putting pp down i'll go and hide now lol...........
babez chill your farms, its a tv show, go get a life peace nigz ex oh ex oh gossip gurl
marieantoinette97 take a chill pill..thread ended in January.
We didn't even have a telly when dd was little, so clearly she must have been a very well behaved child, never jumped in muddy puddles and never, ever answered back ...
In fact, such behaviour did not exist before 2004, the age group in question being referred to in general parlance as the Deferential Two's and the Submissive Three's.
I haven't read the whole thread and can see it's an old one but I do wonder a bit. Isn't there some study about "relational aggression" being picked up on in these shows? I like lots of Peppa but I do hate the way she says things are BOOOORING so much e.g. "you can make up any story as long as it's not BOOOORING" - ds started using this word a lot after watching Peppa and it's not an attitude I like in a 2 year old!
Love the muddy puddles though. We had half-term in Wales and there were the most glorious ones and we all had our wellies and had a great time jumping in them!
I take it no child ever said YUK! independently pre-PP?
My toddlers name is George - I have been amazed at the amount of other children, usually slightly older and girls that have shouted at him "NO GEORGE! etc etc..." in a pretty horrible voice . I began to realise they were mimicking Peppa pig and the way that she treats her younger brother.
This has been a bit of a shame.
Anyone else a bit upset that Peppa Pig teaches kids that spiders cant hurt them and that they can pick up spiders...this is ridiculous as I am always teaching my kids NOT to pick them up!!
Anyone else a bit upset that Peppa Pig teaches kids that spiders cant hurt them and that they can pick up spiders...this is ridiculous as I am always teaching my kids NOT to pick them up!!
Why do you teach them that? Do you live in a part of the world where there are venomous spiders? If you don't want your child to be brought up by a TV programme, don't let them watch it.
I hate peppa pig as much as the next mum ! Bt if you all think she is such a bad influence then you will just have to be patient and get your peppa pig fix after the little piggies go to bed !
Total balls. Peppa Pig is brilliant. I love the episode where they go to the gym and the voiceover man says something about all the grown ups having lots of fun at the gym, and Mummy Pig, Miss Rabbit et al are all looking totally strained on their exercise bikes.
I also don't understand what the big deal is about Grandpa Pig saying "Silly old bird". Silly isn't a bad word, and a lot of children will regularly hear actual bad language which is far more concerning to me. I wouldn't be fussed if DS called something silly. I would be if he copied DN saying "fucks sake" at DSILs dogs.
Any family who end the day all on their backs laughing (they literally ROFL don't they!) are all right by me!
But then DS likes Thomas... 'Cinders and ashes mummy! you are causing confusion and delay!'
FFS its a zombie thread.
I was nodding my head away agreeing with it til I came across one of StrandedBears deleted posts.
Join the discussion
Please login first.