Christina Odone on Today this morning.

(66 Posts)
OrmIrian Fri 09-Oct-09 12:44:56

Nothing like a good old fume and shout with your toast.

Please could someone answer the question that she failed to - how does giving help and choice to working mothers, take anything away from those who choose not to work?

Because I'm buggered if I can work it out.

Kathyis12feethighandbites Fri 09-Oct-09 12:48:31

Maybe it makes them feel bad?
I don't think my blood pressure would stand Cristina Odone in the mornings.

OrmIrian Fri 09-Oct-09 12:49:37

Beleive me I didn't think mine would.

AvengingGerbil Fri 09-Oct-09 12:52:39

Was she the one who said in the most patronizing voice ever to Harriet Harman 'Don't be patronizing'? And who said that 'real women' were not identified by their working lives? I had to leave the room.

OrmIrian Fri 09-Oct-09 12:54:34

yep gerbil that was the one.

I'll tell DH that I'm not a real woman next time he starts making suggestions grin

preciouslillywhite Fri 09-Oct-09 12:55:36

I couldn't hear much of it over dcs shouting and dogs whining but heard enough to work out that she was chatting shit smile

Kathyis12feethighandbites Fri 09-Oct-09 12:56:06

I love the irony when female journos slag off working women despite the fact that they are, themselves, working women.

seeker Fri 09-Oct-09 13:00:06

The next person who tells me either indirectly or indirectly that I am 'not a real woman" or that I 'don't contribute to society" because I don't work outside the home will discover how handwashing tiny garments in the brook has honed my biceps!

Kathyis12feethighandbites Fri 09-Oct-09 13:04:14

LOL @ washing tiny garments in the brook!

OrmIrian Fri 09-Oct-09 13:06:42

Hey seeker, if you went out to work you could afford a washing machine grin

<ducks to avoid seeker's left hook>

Kathyis12feethighandbites Fri 09-Oct-09 13:29:03

Yeah but she wouldn't be such a real woman if she used a machine <bows down to Seeker's uber-femininity> wink

BonsoirAnna Fri 09-Oct-09 13:38:17

To answer the OP - if WOHM are offered help and choice, so should SAHMs be offered help and choice. It is unfair for the taxpayer to offer childcare assistance to WOHMs and not to SAHMs. That is the point.

Here in France there are haltes garderies (what the English call creches, confusingly) that offer relief childcare to (mainly) SAHMs.

TheCrackFox Fri 09-Oct-09 13:41:43

Seriously wishing I live in France now. Harrumph.

OrmIrian Fri 09-Oct-09 13:42:58

Hmm maybe anna. But even if you think it's unfair it doesn't take anything away from SAHMs does it. It doesn't make their lives more difficult or prevent them choosing to SAH.

BonsoirAnna Fri 09-Oct-09 13:50:37

If you make the lives of WOHMs easier, you make the lives of SAHMs harder by comparison. Don't you? I think that is the point. And, as we all know from the numerous threads on MN, many SAHMs are not SAHMs through choice because they cannot meet the costs of childcare. Don't they deserve a break once in a while?

Haltes garderies type childcare is pretty cheap to fund, anyway, as it doesn't aim to develop children (it isn't nursery care), just to babysit them for a short while in a collective setting.

OrmIrian Fri 09-Oct-09 13:54:02

No I don't see that at all. If you are happy with your choice why would making life easier for others bother you. And those who dont feel they have any choice but to stay at home in theory would be helped by moves to make childcare easier to obtain and cheaper.

BonsoirAnna Fri 09-Oct-09 16:47:54

I think you are being very obtuse smile. People always compare their lot to others. And it is quite, quite wrong, IMO, to single out WOHMs for help. All mothers need help.

Katisha Fri 09-Oct-09 16:50:52

One thing to remember Anna is that we would never get simple creche-type childcare paid for by the state here. It would be all about development and curricula and would be Ofstedded within an inch of its life...

OrmIrian Fri 09-Oct-09 16:58:24

I must be obtuse then.

BonsoirAnna Fri 09-Oct-09 16:59:56

Maybe - obviously France does spend more on early years than the UK does, and there is more variety of state-organised and state-subsidised childcare on offer, and different tax breaks for families.

Katisha Fri 09-Oct-09 16:59:57

Like the angle!

juuule Fri 09-Oct-09 17:41:43

Ormirian. How about if the help was aimed at sahm? If wohm are happy with their choice why would making life easier for others bother them? And those who dont feel they have any choice but to go out to work in theory they would be helped by moves to make things easier to sah.

If I was being cynical I might think that it isn't really about helping wohm or sahm, it's more about helping those who would make things better for those in powerhmm

Litchick Fri 09-Oct-09 17:51:01

I work from home and I don't use childcare but I can only applaud at any help being given to those who want to work and need childcare. This is the major stumbling block for so many women no?
How as women, can we begrudge other women getting help?
Is it a case of if I can';t have it nor can you?
Come on, we are all in this together for our daughters sake.

BonsoirAnna Fri 09-Oct-09 17:52:49

I sincerely hope my daughter will not live in a society where she is forced willy-nilly into the work place, and her children into childcare. But I fear the worst.

Litchick Fri 09-Oct-09 17:59:09

I sincerely hope my daughter has a choice and that proper help with child care is part of that choice.

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