Nice to know the courts take domestic violence so seriously... not.

(91 Posts)
McEdam Tue 21-Aug-07 22:04:31

man brands his wife with an iron and walks free

Outrageous. Apparently the judge said the husband was too busy working to do a community sentence, and wouldn't offend again because his wife had left him. Good grief.

TotalChaos Tue 21-Aug-07 22:12:08

yes, saw an article about this today and was absolutely appalled.

bloody hell.

sophable Tue 21-Aug-07 22:12:49

don't want to read it.

Bubble99 Tue 21-Aug-07 22:14:12

I saw this. There has to be an appeal, surely?

McEdam Tue 21-Aug-07 22:16:14

It must be a prime candidate for that newish right of appeal against lenient sentences. I hope. If anyone in the judicial section gives a toss.

McEdam Tue 21-Aug-07 22:16:40

system, I mean

well he is a cambridge graduate on 90k a year.

perhaps he would have got more than a 2k fine if he had been a bricklayer?

Carmenere Tue 21-Aug-07 22:17:02

What kind of message does this give

Bubble99 Tue 21-Aug-07 22:17:12

Judge mentions circumstances that may have 'provoked' the attacks.

mosschops30 Tue 21-Aug-07 22:17:32

that because most judges are old cunts who let men literally get away with murder.

This country sucks

<and breathe mosschops, breathe>

snowleopard Tue 21-Aug-07 22:18:03

That is shocking. The poor woman, to have that happen and be humiliated in court by the judge suggesting the "circumstances of the marriage" somehow made it understandable.

I also noticed how the DM described her as "Mrs Read, who has reverted to her maiden name Axe" So why not call her Ms Axe, eh? No no, have a pic of her too and caption it "Elizabeth Read". They just can't help themselves can they.

berolina Tue 21-Aug-07 22:19:08

exactly what I was thinking, snowleopard.

WaynettaSlob Tue 21-Aug-07 22:22:52

Excuse my French, but that is fucking disgusting
I cross paths with many management consultants and my God, if his company EVER comes near me, they shall be left in no doubt as to my opinion of them if they continue to employ him.

tatt Tue 21-Aug-07 22:26:54

that man is an obvious risk to any woman who gets involved with him. It's a disgrace and there should be an appeal against the leniency of the sentance.

Hurlyburly Tue 21-Aug-07 22:29:25

Okay this is bad. Really bad. He is a total tosser who should have had a custodial sentence. It is another instance of class discrmination and I am ashamed that a Cambridge education means a get out of jail free card.

I am consoling myself with the thought that his career is effectively over - in that sort of field, no-one will employ a man with a criminal conviction for violence. His firm will squirm and either let him go now or quietly make sure he exits stage left in a few months' time.


SueBaroo Tue 21-Aug-07 22:31:41

well, a busy man's got to have a shirt ironed, hasn't he?

Tell you what, given that I expect Judges to give adequate sentences for despicable crimes, and this one hasn't, I feel I'm within my rights to shove his gavel up his mysogynist arse.

McEdam Tue 21-Aug-07 22:44:38

I am so cross about this I have emailed the Attorney General, Baroness Scotland, about it. The AG has the power to review unduly lenient sentences. So I hope this one is drawn to her attention.

Good God, we have at long last got to the point where racism is seen as an aggravating factor, why is violence against women still somehow trivialised?

divastrop Tue 21-Aug-07 22:44:47

well,what did she expect?she was his wife,it was her job to make his sandwiches and iron his shirts.of course she should be punished for not doing it.and he must be a decent bloke cos he earns 90k a year.he cant be a wife-beater,they are all on the dole or working down t'pit,no?

i get the impression the judge has been around since the days when it was legal for a man to beat his wife with a stick and has just forgotten to die.

i wonder what sort of sentence he'd have got if he'd attacked a stranger in the same way?or a male friend/collegue?

LaDiDaDi Tue 21-Aug-07 22:48:55

Absolutely shocking !

McEdam Tue 21-Aug-07 22:49:04

I like your description of the judge, diva. v. apt.

Pan Tue 21-Aug-07 22:58:35

Am breathless at this. And the pre-sentence report offering Unpaid Work?? I can't believe that happened.

On the facts as reported, he committed a Section 18 Wounding. The start off point for that is something like 2 years. Or possibly more.

Yes the appeal against leniency has been there since 1988. I should imagine this will be nooo problem to appeal. I would like to think.

DV cases are notorious for being plea-bargained down. He is rich. He engaged a good barrister.

McEdam Tue 21-Aug-07 23:01:13

If you want to injure or kill someone, marry them. If you are a man.

Lizzer Tue 21-Aug-07 23:29:47

This is why I didn't bother prosecuting either. I'm sure he would've been drunk or high on something, says he 'can't remember' - I've heard that old chestnut before... Probably doesn't want to believe what he's capable of. Now he doesn't have to face up to it he'll do it again to the next woman in his life, poor girl. This makes me so

NormaStanleyFletcher Tue 21-Aug-07 23:35:32

That is just fecking appalling!!

UCM Tue 21-Aug-07 23:41:41

Perhaps his human rights were violated in some way.

divastrop Wed 22-Aug-07 11:10:11

my xp was originally looking at being convicted of a section 18 on me,untill medical reports came back and they had to reduce the charge to abh.

but his solicitor told him he was looking at at least 6 months in prison if he got convicted of the section 18,and that was with no previous.

but,as he got the sack as soon as his boss found out what he'd done,he had to get a legal aid solicitor.

maybe not being able to stay in your 90k job counts as a violation of human rights?

women,on the other hand,dont have any rights it seems-they are obviously still considered their husbands' property

tribpot Wed 22-Aug-07 11:16:29

Absolutely staggered by the quote "the judge said it was the circumstances of the marriage that had provoked Read". Provoked? And too busy to do a community sentence, WTF? I didn't realise you were allowed to avoid punishment by being "too busy" to attend. Paris Hilton and Naomi Campbell must be kicking themselves for not having used that excuse to avoid their sentences.


hippipotami Wed 22-Aug-07 11:24:21

Absolutely outrageous, I am so cross at this! This country is going to hell in a handcart because of judges like that!

Is there anything we can do, anyone to contact to express our disgust/anger/worry about this?

divastrop Wed 22-Aug-07 12:14:06

i too am wondering if a petition has been started or to whom we should complain?i wouldnt know where to start with anything like that.

pipsqueeke Wed 22-Aug-07 12:20:06

i'm soryr but 'couldn't remeber' doing it what a load of fucking shit it's a bloody cop out that excuse. FFS it really is this animal should be a bloody man stand up and say yes I did do it and i'm sorry but as he's jsut a little worm obv he won't. god things like this really piss me off.

ernest Wed 22-Aug-07 12:24:30

it is really appalling, and the poor wife will probably be so disillusioned, rightly so, with the "justice" system, that she won't have the strength to follow through with an appeal. It's really cases such as this that really highlight the continued and shocking sexist double standards in society

TheArmadillo Wed 22-Aug-07 12:27:08

I was shocked when I read that.

One thing that really stuck out was that she hadn't wanted to go to court, but had been summonsed and for it all to come down to a fine - not worth what she had to go through

Her quotes were so sad.

"A fine is not really a deterrent," she said. "People might think they can do whatever they want, pay a few pounds and it's all over."

"She added: "I didn't really want to go to court. Now with the sentence the way it was, it doesn't really seem there was much point."

This case is appalling. I hope she appeals and someone sends the bastard to prison. And I hope the judge gets into deep shite over it as well. There is nothing she could have done that deserved that treatment.

ANd what is £2000 to a man who earns £90k a year? Pathetic.

At least there is an uproar over this. The judge may be outdated but the public and the media are outraged.

pipsqueeke Wed 22-Aug-07 12:30:40

don't be daft nothing will happen to the judge - maybe he'll get a ticking off form someone but we'll never know. cases like this are really waht's wrong with the legal ssytem.

how many other women going thru this will be put off of going to court or leaving as they will now feel that the law is on the husbands side and it's right it's ok - it bloody well isn't. is there a petition going as i'll def be signing it.

SueW Wed 22-Aug-07 12:56:26
tribpot Wed 22-Aug-07 12:56:27

I've emailed Women's Aid to see if they are planning a response. Failing that I suspect that emailing the AG as McEdam has done is probably the best way to go?

TheArmadillo Wed 22-Aug-07 13:30:02

that second one is just as bad.

If they did that kinda of thing to a stranger they would be put away, but it's ok to do it to your wife.

renruta Wed 22-Aug-07 13:38:18

I agree the courts are a joke, I was in a nasty violent relationship for longer than I care to remember. Judge gave him community service and told to stay away, I on the other hand have had to change my name, move away, alter my appearance and have limited contact with old friends. All through which I am constantly looking over my shoulder. So which one was punished then???

Divineretribution Wed 22-Aug-07 13:40:16

Let's face it, everyone knows what he looks like now, so how long do you think it will be before he gets his just desserts?
Do you think his management consultancy will keep him on? I wouldn't want him coming into somewhere I worked, that's for sure and would not hesitate to air my grievances with his employers....

I bet someone could generate an email naming and shaming him and sending it round the
country, thus making his life a blardy misery..., I have namechanged, naturally

Thats so absurd. Men who do things like that once almost always do it again.

lemonaid Wed 22-Aug-07 13:47:44

What is the procedure for making a request to the Attorney General to consider referring a sentence?

There is a strict time limit of 28 days from the date of sentence for the Attorney General to apply to the Court of Appeal to refer a sentence. It is therefore imperative that any request to consider referring a sentence is made to this office well within those 28 days, in order for the papers to be obtained and counsel's advice sought where appropriate. There is no power to extend the 28-day period.

The request should be made in writing or by email specifying the name of the defendant, date of sentence, Crown Court and offence(s), and the name and contact address for the person seeking the review.


HappyDaddy Wed 22-Aug-07 13:49:05

I would happily apply for any job that would employ me to meet these cowards outside the court, so that I could show them exactly what big men they are.

whiskeyandbeer Wed 22-Aug-07 13:52:25

scum the lot of them.

LittleBella Wed 22-Aug-07 17:59:22

It really does show the need for judges to be trained on domestic violence issues.

Or just normal life, really.

donnie Wed 22-Aug-07 18:09:28

I note from both reports that the victims were actually lying in bed when their partners attacked them. Oh yes, real provocation there.

What cowardly fuckers.

nice that his mother was by his side as he got away with this - she's probably responsible for instilling in him that women are subservient and should take care of their man - how could she stand by him in the face of his denial of what he had done?

Disgrace and likes someone else said, his face is well known now so I dont doubt someone bigger and harder will be along soon to have a word with him...

divastrop Wed 22-Aug-07 19:54:51

'previous good character'

they are all of good effing character,these men who's insane,nagging wives drive them to violence

and as for those domestic abuse programmes,they should be done away with as all they do is provide a place for wife-beaters to get together and justify each others' behaviour(my xp was ordered to go on one of them and basically it was a load of blokes going through the motions then patting each other on the back saying 'yeah,mate,she deserved it.i shouldnt be here either').

their mothers often dont want to accept theyve spawned a scumbag and make excuses for their behaviour.these men manipulate everyone in their lives,not just their wives/partners.

Chirpygirl Wed 22-Aug-07 20:03:19

This kind of story makes me so

Previous good character.
My arse.

The only reason they have 'previous good character' is that no-one has had the guts to report them before this.
This is why my dad was never suspected of being the reason I was covered in bruises, my pathetic 'please see through me' excuses of falling over were taken at face value as he was such an upstanding citizen. Even my priest told me I was an evil liar when I asked for help.

Something really needs to be done about courts seeing domestic violence for what it really is and not sweeping it aside.

Off to take some deep breaths to calm down.

poppy34 Wed 22-Aug-07 20:10:17

this whole story is just astonishing -his ex wifes' comments were so sad but sadly I suspect typical of how many dv victims feel.

I cannot believe he'll stay in that job ( I was so incensed I was thinking about contacting LEK about how they felt -as management consultants- about using someone with this kind of attitude to women to advise others). I simply cannot believe that they would want that kind of negative publicity

McEdam Wed 22-Aug-07 20:29:28

Has anyone else emailed the AG? Only it might have more impact if several people do it, rather than just me.

Chirpygirl Wed 22-Aug-07 20:44:47

I am going to when I have calmed down sufficiently to write a sensible email.

wolveschick Wed 22-Aug-07 20:51:53

Many magistrates courts now have specialist domestic violence courts with magistrates who have received training on domestic violence to try to eradicate this type of sentence being passed.

policywonk Wed 22-Aug-07 20:54:14

Edam, in your email, what did you put as the date of the sentence? Was this yesterday?

McEdam Wed 22-Aug-07 21:53:22

I put Monday, as I assume it was a Mon for Tues story ie in the paper the day after it happened. Gave the court and judge's details so shouldn't be hard to track down. Haven't had an acknowledgement yet, though.

tribpot Thu 23-Aug-07 09:20:25

Edam, I'm going to email today. Haven't found the story covered in any other newspapers, I think?

kerala Thu 23-Aug-07 11:13:10

Just read another one in the press today about a hospital doctor who beat his wife up hitting her 24 times. He had been verbally and physically abusing her for years. He got a £500 fine. He earns 100k a year.

paolosgirl Thu 23-Aug-07 11:18:17

Does the shit still work for LEK Consultancy? Might be worth bombarding them with emails....

whiskeyandbeer Thu 23-Aug-07 17:27:01

also nice to see that fellow posters on mumsnet take domestic violence so seriously.although perhaps because it is in a foreign country it doesn't count.

Hurlyburly Thu 23-Aug-07 17:29:54

Oh whiskey! Of course we take domestic violence seriously. Of course we do. Don't get huffy.

The reason no-one explained is that no-one wanted to get into a fight over it. Basically it's mostly women that get beaten, isn't it? So when a woman lashes out (which can itself be a symptom of battered woman syndrome) in that sort of way there is an irony.

whiskeyandbeer Thu 23-Aug-07 17:32:59

i'm not getting huffy but i'm just pointing out the ridiculous double standards from posters on a sight which has so many who seem to be on the moral high-ground.
as i said can you imagine the response if my first post on this thread was " bet she'll have the ironing done next time"

policywonk Thu 23-Aug-07 20:02:16

paolosgirl - I tried to find an email address for LEK but could only find postal addresses and telephone numbers.

McEdam Thu 23-Aug-07 21:55:54

Oh, I'm glad to hear that you are emailing too, Tribpot. No, I didn't see it anywhere else, which is odd.

Nightynight Thu 23-Aug-07 22:59:17

This case makes me more angry than I can say. This woman showed huge courage going to court, and that is what happened.

j20baby Thu 23-Aug-07 23:11:40

FFS, disgusting!

did you also know that up until a few years ago (1996 i think, feel free to tell me i'm wrong!) it wasn't illegal for a man to rape his wife! english legal system is fu**ed up.

hatwoman Thu 23-Aug-07 23:22:59

I am absolutely stunned. it was the circumstances of the marriage that made him do it and now they're getting divorced he won't re-offend! what a ludicrous argument.

McEdam Thu 23-Aug-07 23:36:07

If you are angry about this case, please email the Attorney General, Baroness Scotland, to press her to appeal against the sentence. I've coped Lemonaid's helpful post:

What is the procedure for making a request to the Attorney General to consider referring a sentence?

There is a strict time limit of 28 days from the date of sentence for the Attorney General to apply to the Court of Appeal to refer a sentence. It is therefore imperative that any request to consider referring a sentence is made to this office well within those 28 days, in order for the papers to be obtained and counsel's advice sought where appropriate. There is no power to extend the 28-day period.

The request should be made in writing or by email specifying the name of the defendant, date of sentence, Crown Court and offence(s), and the name and contact address for the person seeking the review.


Callisto Fri 24-Aug-07 08:45:11

The email address for LEK Consulting is

Callisto Fri 24-Aug-07 08:48:48

Also three of their experts are Colin Farmer, John Westwood and Nick Holder so their email addreses are probably or

If I shouldn't be posting peoples email addresses on without their knowlege please delete this post or let me know and I will.

lemonaid Fri 24-Aug-07 10:01:06

Not exactly "double standards", though, since so far as I can see the only posters these threads have in common are hatwoman (whose contribution to the other thread was to point out the undderlying social conditions in Russia) and you (and you weren't exactly rolling around in the aisles chortling).

whiskeyandbeer Fri 24-Aug-07 11:04:35

very fair point lemonaid.

whiskeyandbeer Fri 24-Aug-07 11:06:24

although hurlyburly's suggestion that their is some sort of ironic comedic value is on this thread and received no such condemnation.

yoyo Fri 24-Aug-07 11:35:02

This was in today's Guardian.

policywonk Fri 24-Aug-07 14:07:06

Thanks for the LEK email Callisto.

Nightynight Fri 24-Aug-07 21:54:48

I have just emailed the correspondence unit at the attorney general - thank you for that address and info.

gomez Tue 28-Aug-07 18:15:28

Thought you might be interested to hear that I have had a response from the AG and she can't request a referal to the Court of Appeal because the conviction - i.e. actual bodily harm - is outwith the scope of the scheme.

Very disappointing.

McEdam Wed 29-Aug-07 13:34:12

Me too. Apparently the offence is 'not serious' enough. angry

"In this case, Colin Read was sentenced for 3 offences of assault occasioning actual bodily harm, contrary to Section 47 of the Offences Against the Person Act 1861. I am sorry to say that this offence is not one which is within the scheme, and so the Attorney General is unable to take any action on this case. Whilst I understand the concerns you have raised about the sentence, the Attorney has no power to intervene in relation to it."

I asked if they would warn the judge that the AG had received complaints, or whether judges have any training about domestic violence. And was told 'that's a matter for the Ministry of Justice'.

Clearly men and women are still not equal in the eyes of the law. Outrageous.

McEdam Wed 29-Aug-07 13:36:50

Maybe I should email my MP and ask him to take it up with Jack Straw...

WideWebWitch Thu 30-Aug-07 18:53:54

This is fucking outrageous.

When the fking fuck will 'domestic' violence stop beign treated so lightly?

WideWebWitch Thu 30-Aug-07 18:54:22

I think we should all email our MPs.

LittleBella Thu 30-Aug-07 20:50:16

Will our MP's care though, if the legal avenues have been exhausted?

It is incredible that such a light sentence can be allowed to stand.

SueW Sun 02-Sep-07 13:27:23

Colin Read's been sacked.


Difers Sun 02-Sep-07 13:35:41

Good, at least the company he works for have done the decent thing.

policywonk Sun 02-Sep-07 13:52:40

Huzzah! It's not justice, but it's a start.

tazmosis Sun 02-Sep-07 19:52:16

A relative of mine was stabbed to death by her husband - in front of her daughter who was 7 at the time. He got 3 years - she'd provoked him apparently by nagging him.

If he'd embezzled (sp?) thousands from his employer he'd have got about 15 years.

Its appalling.

McEdam Sun 02-Sep-07 19:55:05

You are right, sadly.

Glad Read's been sacked but it's not enough, really, is it?

Feminist12312 Tue 19-Feb-13 03:42:25

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WhichIsBest Tue 19-Feb-13 04:34:11

//Pats Feminist on the head//
Yes dear.

Thumbwitch Tue 19-Feb-13 05:36:35

Ahhhhh, I see who has resurrected the zombie thread now. Wondered why. hmm

BobbyDarin Sun 24-Feb-13 03:35:58

Doesn't look like his career suffered much.

Spent a bit of time being freelance and has what appears to be a series of other high paying jobs.

gingerchick Sun 24-Feb-13 03:54:17

And she got back with him and he blacked her eyes so obviously he thinks hes above the law
I spent the best part of two years going to
Court when I was assaulted by my then partner he was convicted and given a 200 pound fine but he appealed and got let of, apparently because I touched him first ie tried to push him out the door I was asking for the broken arm, fingers black eyes broken nose etc will never have any faith in the justice system ever again sad

gingerchick Sun 24-Feb-13 03:56:03

* tried to push him out the door because he was threatening me and had taken the phone out the wall

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