Government funded Muslim group: Women should not be allowed to

(82 Posts)
LecternSpace Thu 05-May-16 08:28:16

Women should not be allowed to travel more than 48 miles without a male chaperone, says British Muslim group.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/04/women-should-not-travel-more-than-48-miles-without-a-male-escort/

I'm sure many Muslims find this ridiculous and outrageous but there are probably some families who buy into this controlling, sexist culture. I'd imagine being part of the local community, Muslim families have to play along with these fundamentalist views. These families also need protection from the fascist Sharia movement. How can a group like this get government funding? Is there no political will to tackle this growing stone-age Islamist thinking For heavens sake angry.

prh47bridge Thu 05-May-16 09:50:44

There is nothing in the article to suggest that this group is government funded. They claim to have received funding from the local council in the past but the article does not tell us when this was. It is possible the group was significantly different when it was receiving funding. There is no suggestion that they are currently funded by the local council let alone by the government.

LecternSpace Thu 05-May-16 11:32:29

Thank you prh

"The group claims to have received local government funding and is listed as an affiliate of the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB), the Telegraph reported."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3574263/Women-not-allowed-travel-48-miles-without-male-chaperone-says-British-Muslim-group.html

Being affiliated with the Muslim council lends the group a degree of authority. If the local council has funded them at any time, it is still tax payers money being allocated to extremist, sexist groups. I don't agree with this.

prh47bridge Thu 05-May-16 14:51:35

If the local council has funded them at any time, it is still tax payers money being allocated to extremist, sexist groups

That is only true if it was an extremist, sexist group at the time the local council was providing funding. We haven't been told when the local council was funding this group. It is possible it was a moderate, tolerant group at the time but its nature has since changed. It is also, of course, possible that the council has been spending money on a group that was extremist and sexist at the time.

BillSykesDog Thu 05-May-16 14:53:13

David Davies said in parliament that they were in receipt of public funds last week:

www.theyworkforyou.com/whall/?id=2016-04-27a.580.1

BillSykesDog Thu 05-May-16 14:55:07

Listed as funded by the Blackburn and Darwem CVS. Which is a local development agency.

TopPony Thu 05-May-16 16:20:28

Well, we have freedom of speech, so I do not see the problem. It is up to women to either follow this advice or not. They are not forcing anyone to follow their advice, do they?
I personally don't agree with their advice suffice to say.

43percentburnt Thu 05-May-16 16:23:41

Is it up to women as to whether they choose to follow the advice? Or do their husbands and family decide?

TopPony Thu 05-May-16 16:34:01

I would hope and expect that it is indeed up to women. If a woman feels that she is forced to do things she doesn't want to and assuming she speaks English, then there are plenty of organisations willing and able to help her.

LecternSpace Thu 05-May-16 18:19:19

"Listed as funded by the Blackburn and Darwem CVS. Which is a local development agency." Does this mean they received tax payer money? <confused>

TopPony
Well, we have freedom of speech, so I do not see the problem. It is up to women to either follow this advice or not. They are not forcing anyone to follow their advice, do they?" And "I would hope and expect that it is indeed up to women."

Eh? According to their website it is “not permissible” for Muslim women to travel more than 48 miles. It's hardly about choice <stating the seemingly obvious> but about systematically impeding on the free movement of female citizens in the UK. Systematically as it is instructed as Sharia law.

I wonder what these people think will happen when women travel more than 48 miles.

prh47bridge Thu 05-May-16 18:46:17

Does this mean they received tax payer money?

A CVS is a charity. It receives around 90% of its income in the form of grants the majority of which come from public bodies. It also receives grants from other sources and some direct giving.

Looking at their published accounts for the last few years I can't see any mention of the Muslim Association. That either means that support was several years ago or that any support was small - around £500.

LecternSpace Thu 05-May-16 18:57:31

"Looking at their published accounts for the last few years I can't see any mention of the Muslim Association. That either means that support was several years ago or that any support was small - around £500"

Thank you for looking that up!

Izlet Thu 05-May-16 23:17:01

Well, we have freedom of speech, so I do not see the problem. It is up to women to either follow this advice or not. They are not forcing anyone to follow their advice, do they?

yet it is a problem, they are advocating a rule which flies in the face of our civil liberties and equality laws. We do have freedom of speech as a principle, but not in all cases. Substitute women with "black people are not allowed out past the end of their road" and they would be shut down and vilified. Which is what should be happening here. However when it's women the object of people's bigotry and prejudice then it appears anything goes. hmm

ProfessorPreciseaBug Fri 06-May-16 04:03:53

The simple fact that an islamic group are saying this..... regardless of where the monsy comes from indicates that islam is in conflict with the values that make this a great country.

Freedom of speach does not mean freedom to restrict another persons freedom.

Limer Fri 06-May-16 07:19:33

Naive to assume that the women are exercising their free choice here. They're being discriminated against because they're women, by a religion that considers women inferior to men. Totally outrageous if this group has received any public money or support.

The law of the land is that women and men are equal. Any religion that says otherwise is wrong.

LecternSpace Fri 06-May-16 07:53:33

"by a religion that considers women inferior to men" and property of men.

LecternSpace Fri 06-May-16 09:05:19

There is more, Muslim women must ask their husband for permission to leave the house.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3576547/Mosques-ban-Muslim-women-wearing-trousers-leaving-house-without-husband-s-permission-order-close-Facebook-accounts.html

Straneg the Muslim Council is not actively speaking out against this hmm

TheNewStatesman Fri 06-May-16 12:21:32

We have freedom of speech. But governments can and should make decisions on where to put their money.

If this is indeed govt funded then I have a problem with it.

OTheHugeManatee Fri 06-May-16 12:30:08

Where religious freedom conflicts with women's rights or gay rights, women's and gay rights HAVE to come first. No ifs, no buts. No-one would think twice about agreeing with this where conservative Christianity is concerned so the same applies to Islam.

BillSykesDog Fri 06-May-16 12:31:20

We don't have freedom of speech actually in this country. Common misconception but we don't and there are actually quite a few legal limits on what we can say.

So for example, it would be illegal for a women's group to suggest that Muslims should be obliged to wear certain clothing or have limits placed on their freedom of movement etc, as that would be hate speech.

But if a Muslim group wants to suggest women should be forced to dress in a certain way and have their freedom of movement curtailed then that's just fine and dandy and the government will pay you to do it.

cdtaylornats Fri 06-May-16 13:56:46

Freedom of speech is limited all over the world, even in the USA where its written into their bill of rights.

Where freedom of speech does exist it only binds the government.

Where religious freedom conflicts with women's rights or gay rights, women's and gay rights HAVE to come first

Who says? Personally I think all of the sky fairies should be banned, but if someone has a deeply held belief it's not my place to say they cannot follow it or indeed suggest it to other people.

Take the islands like Lewis where the wee frees hold sway so everything closes on a Sunday. Now I think they have every right to tell their flock to not work on a Sunday but the not working on a Sunday rule should not trump this shop opens on a Sunday when it comes to working.

mamamea Sat 07-May-16 09:27:27

They have taken down most of their web presences, but not all.

Here's some samples:
"My father’s sister passed away recently. At the time of her death neither her husband or parents or siblings were alive and she does not have any children. However, her brother’s four daughters and one son, her other brother’s one daughter, and sister’s two sons and five daughters were alive. Please advise on how the wealth of the deceased should be distributed "

"The brother’s son will be entitled to 100% of the inheritance following the fulfilment of debts if applicable.

If the deceased left a will, this will be valid for up to one third of the assets.

Allah knows best

Yusuf Shabbir, Blackburn, UK"

Or in other words:

* no money flows through or too women
* ignore the law of the UK (which states that the wealth should be divided equally among her three siblings)
* ignore the law of the UK again (which states that a will is valid for 100% of the assets)

nawadir.org/

IPityThePontipines Sat 07-May-16 10:08:12

*"The brother’s son will be entitled to 100% of the inheritance following the fulfilment of debts if applicable.

If the deceased left a will, this will be valid for up to one third of the assets.

Allah knows best

Yusuf Shabbir, Blackburn, UK"*

This very poor advice and not Islamically factual.

Firstly, if someone has made a legally valid will, you cannot override that unless you have valid grounds to contest it and the imam should not being saying otherwise.

Secondly, the wealth would be shared out to varying degrees among the nieces and nephews.

I would wonder at how much training someone has had before dishing out legal advice.

OTheHugeManatee Sat 07-May-16 13:47:42

Who says? Personally I think all of the sky fairies should be banned, but if someone has a deeply held belief it's not my place to say they cannot follow it or indeed suggest it to other people

If you prefer student union style relativist posturing to a robust defence of commonly held UK values, all I can say is you reap what you sow.

cdtaylornats Sat 07-May-16 14:18:21

robust defence of commonly held UK values

Also known as the ignoring of the minorities

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