Anyone else follow climate change news obsessively?

(135 Posts)
Chickychickyparmparm Tue 25-Aug-15 16:46:50

It's like a car crash - I can't look away.

I am reading more and more in the build-up to the Paris talks at the end of the year. China has surprised everyone with a bigger pledge than expected. But will it be enough? What about the US? They ignored the Kyoto Protocol. Obama is in the news today talking about melting ice in Alaska - yet gave Shell the go-ahead to drill in the Arctic.

I am genuinely terrified of what will happen if the world does not act fast.

TheSpectator Tue 25-Aug-15 21:57:13

The climate on Earth has changed from Tropical to Ice Age and back again many over times over during its existence, long before human activity could have played a role and there is nothing human beings can do to change it.

caroldecker Tue 25-Aug-15 21:59:09

US emissions are currently about 15% lower than in 1990, better than Kyoto, mainly due to fracking.

EU emissions are higher than 1990, although most have been exported overseas to low wage countries.

As of 2 weeks ago there is 452,000 square miles more ice at the Artic than 3 years ago.

Life is better now than before and continues to be so.

I am not terrified.

claig Tue 25-Aug-15 22:40:09

Chickychickyparmparm, please google

climate change conspiracy
or
climate change scam

Then you won't be so worried and alarmed about it any more - or, depending how much you research it, maybe you will be more alarmed when you find out what the real objective is.

Remember, they need to scare the bejeesus out of you in order for you to go along with the plan. Nuff said.

claig Tue 25-Aug-15 23:19:59

'Climate change 'exaggerated' in government adverts

Two government press adverts which used nursery rhymes to raise awareness of climate change have been banned by the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA).

It said the advertisements went beyond mainstream scientific consensus in asserting that climate change would cause flooding and drought.

A total of 939 people complained to the ASA about the "Act on CO2" campaign.

Climate Change Secretary Ed Miliband said the ads should have been "phrased better" but defended the campaign. "

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8571353.stm

It's a bit like "nudge technology", behavioral psychology, to get you to go along by selling the message hard. The great and the good still use the time-honoured method of "scaring the bejeesus". But even with all of their media resources, huge numbers of ordinary people don't follow the script and believe what the great and the good say.

claig Tue 25-Aug-15 23:30:57

"This Controversial Climate Change Ad Made Sony Drop its Sponsorship

They'd obviously spunked a lotta money on the ad, which features a Gillian Anderson voiceover and appearance from famous English footballer/soccer-player Peter Crouch, but when it illustrates exploding kiddies it's no surprise that Sony wanted nothing to do with it.

Made to draw attention to the climate change day October 10th, the 10:10 advert riled Sony up so much that they canceled their support of the event, labeling it "ill-conceived and tasteless." Kyocera, another supporter, has also spoken up about how it was a "grave error," but hasn't as yet followed Sony out of the door.

The video has been taken down from 10:10's website, but thanks to the nature of the internet it shall live on in tasteless glory forever more."

gizmodo.com/5657918/this-controversial-climate-change-ad-made-sony-drop-its-sponsorship

"O…M…G – Video explodes skeptical kids in bloodbath

My Inbox exploded with tips today, this one in particular. This unbelievably vile video from the 10:10 campaign takes the award for the most disgusting climate and carbon reduction video ever. It is in a class by itself, which is off the scale."

wattsupwiththat.com/2010/09/30/o-m-g-video-explodes-skeptical-kids-in-bloodbath/

"No Pressure: the fall-out from Richard Curtis's explosive climate film

Whatever you think about No Pressure, the Richard Curtis short film for the 10:10 climate campaign published last Thursday before its withdrawal by the campaign group less than 24 hours later, one thing is undeniable: it has generated a high pressure torrent of comment across guardian.co.uk, Twitter, the blogosphere and the press.

If bloggers and environmentalists thought Richard Curtis's 10:10 'No Pressure' film was the wrong way to communicate on climate change, what's the right way?"

www.theguardian.com/environment/green-living-blog/2010/oct/04/10-10-activism

It doesn't matter how much "nudge theory" or "scare the bejeesus" they use, how many luvvies and charidees they throw at the people, how "mesemerised" the great and the good are by it and how much taxpayer money they throw at their "mesmerisations", they will never "mesmerise" the people with it.

caroldecker Wed 26-Aug-15 00:15:00

In 2005, the UN environment programme said:

Fifty million climate refugees by 2010... There is general agreement about the current global environmental and development crisis. It is also known that the consequences of these global changes have the most devastating impacts on the poorest..." Along with this map

claig Wed 26-Aug-15 00:21:11

caroldecker, you don't actually believe the stuff these global civil servants come out with, do you? Some of them have been on the news trying to "nudge" us into believing that some of the migrants from Eritrea and Afghanistan, camped out in Calais, are there because of "climate change".

claig Wed 26-Aug-15 00:25:36

"Calais migrant chaos is a taste of what a warmer world may bring

The disruption at the Channel Tunnel between the UK and France is one of many migration crises which a warmer world will worsen
...
Even if countries stick to their emission reduction promises – the UK, for one, is not on course to meet its targets – global temperature rise will still soar past 2 °C. And illegal migration will soar along with the temperature."

www.newscientist.com/article/dn27989-calais-migrant-chaos-is-a-taste-of-what-a-warmer-world-may-bring/

There is the nudge at the end. The great and the good want you to think that if you stick to the agreed climate change emission targets, then there will be fewer migrants at Calais.

claig Wed 26-Aug-15 00:32:31

"Australia PM's adviser says climate change a UN hoax"

A top Australian government business adviser has said climate change is a hoax by the United Nations.

Most climate models were wrong and there was little evidence of climate change, said Maurice Newman.

He said the UN had used climate change as a "hook" to establish and control a new world order.

Mr Newman's comments were rejected by climate scientists, while Environment Minister Greg Hunt said it was "not something I would express".

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-32639813

I wouldn't expect Greg Hunt to express that. I don't know, but my guess is that he is a "moderniser".

Don't forget that Agenda 21 is the UN's project. National politicians go along with the global UN project.

The Rip Earth Summit that the national bigwigs jet out to was an Agenda 21 initiative by the UN.

"Agenda 21, established at the 1992 United Nations Conference on Environment and Development, or "Earth Summit", in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, is the blueprint for sustainability in the 21st century. Agenda 21 is a commitment to sustainable development, which was agreed by many of the world's governments. Nations that have pledged to take part in Agenda 21 are monitored by the International Commission on Sustainable Development, and are encouraged to promote Agenda 21 at the local and regional levels within their own countries"

www.sustainable-environment.org.uk/Action/Agenda_21.php

Google Agenda 21 conspiracy as well as climate change conspiracy. They are all interlinked.

claig Wed 26-Aug-15 00:38:55

The global UN will have a hard task getting it past the sovereign USA.

"Agenda 21: a conspiracy theory puts sustainability in the crosshairs

Could right-wing attacks on a non-binding UN sustainability resolution put sustainable business at risk in some states?
...
"Theorists argue that Agenda 21, a 23-year-old non-binding UN resolution that suggests ways for governments and NGOs to promote sustainable development, is the linchpin in a plot to subjugate humanity under an eco-totalitarian regime. One of its most outspoken critics, American Policy Center president Tom DeWeese, has described the resolution as “a new kind of tyranny that, if not stopped, will surely lead us to a new Dark Ages of pain and misery yet unknown to mankind”.

APC is on the political fringes, but anti-Agenda 21 sentiment is moving into the political mainstream. Criticism of the resolution extended to the Republican party’s 2012 platform, which stated: “We strongly reject the UN Agenda 21 as erosive of American sovereignty.”

www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2015/jun/24/agenda-21-conspiracy-theory-sustainability

Chickychickyparmparm Wed 26-Aug-15 00:55:02

Jesus Claig. What nonsense. Wasn't it you quoting international fool Tony Abbot and UKIP on their climate change stance on another thread? I simply can't take a single thing you say seriously and you always pop up on these threads to derail the discussion.

claig Wed 26-Aug-15 00:59:48

"Did Obama science advisor Dr. John Holdren actually call for the American government to “de-develop” the U.S. and “reduce” its population?

Yes, he did.

Recalling Holdren’s radical prescription for America is particularly timely with EPA preparing for the Monday rollout of one of the most destructive and useless government policies in American history.

EPA is preparing to severely limit CO2 emissions from existing electrical power plants (the ones already paid for and operating)
...
It is also consistent with the calls for central planning, deindustrialization and redistribution made in the name of “sustainability” by the acolytes of UN Agenda 21 and the UN climate change agenda that goes with it.

Holdren has tried to deny what he wrote, which has caused controversy and an ongoing war of words between the left-wing Media Matters and Glenn Beck’s The Blaze. They call it a myth, but reading Holdren’s words in their full context, what does Media Matters think Holdren’s call for government to reduce population and de-develop means? It certainly smacks more of authoritarianism than voluntarism.
...
Read what John Holdren recommended as the “responsible” course for America’s future in his own words.
...
"Political pressure must be applied immediately to induce the United States government to assume its responsibility to halt the growth of the Ameri­can population. Once growth is halted, the government should undertake to influence the birth rate so that the population is reduced to an optimum size and maintained there "
...
"A massive campaign must be launched to restore a high-quality environ­ment in North America and to de-develop the United States. De-development means bringing our economic system (especially patterns of consumption) into line with the realities of ecology and the global resource situation."

www.cfact.org/2014/05/31/john-holdren-in-his-own-radical-words/

They have to try and "nudge" you and scare the bejeesus out of you over "climate change" or you would never go along with the plan.

But Donald Trump will stop it, the USA won't accept it.

claig Wed 26-Aug-15 01:04:29

'Wasn't it you quoting international fool Tony Abbot and UKIP on their climate change stance on another thread?'

Most probably, I quote common sense where I find it.

'I simply can't take a single thing you say seriously and you always pop up on these threads to derail the discussion.'

I thought your thread was serious. You sund like they have "scared the bejeesus out of you". You said

"It's like a car crash - I can't look away."

I was only trying to allay your fears and stop you having panic attacks about their "nudge" techniques. I was trying to show you that it is a scam and there is nothing to be worried about and tat their over-the-top adverts to convince you are because they are desperate and millions and millions f people don't believe them.

Now that I see that you don't want facts and want to be scared, then I will leave you to it. Carry on

"It's like a car crash - I can't look away."

claig Wed 26-Aug-15 01:36:35

One last example to show the type of nudge psychology techniques which engender the fear that you obviously and genuinely feel when you say

"I am genuinely terrified of what will happen if the world does not act fast."

I suppose the poitive side of it is that all the taxpayer money they spend on "nudge" is not entirely wasted. It does work and terrify a lot of people to want to "act" aseo they wish them to.

Here is soemthing from today's news and illustrates the type of frightening predictions a chardee might make

"Kids Company warned its closure could cause 'rioting'
...
BBC Newsnight and BuzzFeed News have learned of a document, emailed to civil servants in the name of Alan Yentob, chair of the charity's trustees, on 2 June. It warned that a sudden closure of the charity would mean a "high risk of arson attacks on government buildings".

The document also warned of a high risk of "looting" and "rioting", and cautioned that the "communities" served by Kids Company could "descend into savagery". The document was written in language that civil servants across government described as "absurd", "hysterical" and "extraordinary".

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34043725

and here are some dire terrifyng warnings about "climate change"

"Scientific model supported by UK Government Taskforce flags risk of civilisation’s collapse by 2040
...
“We ran the model forward to the year 2040, along a business-as-usual trajectory based on ‘do-nothing’ trends — that is, without any feedback loops that would change the underlying trend. The results show that based on plausible climate trends, and a total failure to change course, the global food supply system would face catastrophic losses, and an unprecedented epidemic of food riots. In this scenario, global society essentially collapses as food production falls permanently short of consumption.”

Another steering committee member raised their hand: “So is this going to happen? Is this a forecast?”

“No,” said Jones. “This scenario is based on simply running the model forward. The model is a short-term model. It’s not designed to run this long as in the real world, trends are always likely to change, whether for better or worse.”

“Okay, but what you’re saying is that if there is no change in current trends, then this is the outcome?” continued the questioner.

Jones nodded with a half-smile. “Yes,” he said quietly."

medium.com/insurge-intelligence/uk-government-backed-scientific-model-flags-risk-of-civilisation-s-collapse-by-2040-4d121e455997

OMG. Terrifying. We must act before it's too late.

firefirethefairsonfire Wed 26-Aug-15 01:43:35

Unfortunately you can't have a discussion about climate change on MN without Claig posting spammy links. Just think of he or she as being a village idiot - always around, annoying, but ultimately harmless.

LOL at quoting Tony Abbott as the voice of reason. Good god, the man is an utter laughingstock! and even more LOLs at "But Donald Trump will stop it, the USA won't accept it."

Yes of course if you google 'climate change scam' you're going to get screeds of info on "scams". Just like if you google "vaccination scam" you're going to get a whole lot of guff on vaccinations being evil and if you google "9/11 conspiracy..." etc.

The world has definitely heated up and cooled down over thousands and millions of years. That's true. But never as fast as this.

I'm also very concerned. I don't think most people want to engage with it because the possible outcomes are just so frightening. Like many of us I have kids, I don't want to see them fighting wars over resources 30 or 40 years down the track. It's only this year - hottest month on record, forest fires, floods - that I think the tide is starting to turn. I hope it's not too late.

firefirethefairsonfire Wed 26-Aug-15 01:48:08

Claig, your last post is simply insane. Kid's Club? WTF are you on about? And that article points towards the destruction that will take place if we don't act. And??? You sound totally unhinged.

claig Wed 26-Aug-15 01:57:48

'I don't think most people want to engage with it because the possible outcomes are just so frightening.'

No, maybe it is because they don't actually believe it, including the bigwigs who have to promote it. Occasionally someone like Tony Abbott breaks ranks and then there is utter panic as the fear is that others will follow and the game will be up.

'your last post is simply insane. Kid's Club? WTF are you on about? '

Kid's Club wanted government taxpayer money. Their "safeguarding" team came up with a letter suggesting that there could be a

"high risk of arson attacks on government buildings".

The document also warned of a high risk of "looting" and "rioting", and cautioned that the "communities" served by Kids Company could "descend into savagery".

I think that is ridiculous and I think it is a similar ridiculous scare as

"Scientific model supported by UK Government Taskforce flags risk of civilisation’s collapse by 2040"

In general, they want you to be scared so that you will go along and pay up and do what they want.

'You sound totally unhinged.'

What I think is totally unhinged is anyone who believes what the "safeguarding" team wrote or that "civilisation will collapse by 2040". But it takes al sorts and all opinions.

firefirethefairsonfire Wed 26-Aug-15 01:59:35

Jesus wept.

caroldecker Wed 26-Aug-15 19:34:18

My point was how wrong the predictions had been - that map was supposed to be the position 5 years ago, with 50 million people migrating after being driven from their homes.

claig Wed 26-Aug-15 19:36:37

Sorry, caroldecker, I misunderstood you. There is so much exaggeration and misinformation on this topic.

Daffydil Wed 26-Aug-15 19:43:29

And most of it ses to be coming from you claig.

Daffydil Wed 26-Aug-15 19:44:49

seems

claig Wed 26-Aug-15 19:55:28

No Daffydil, I am just letting people who have only heard one side hear the other side, the side the American Republicans and Donald Trump know about - Agenda 21, the UN etc

It's Donald Trump type stuff, not Gordon Brown.

claig Wed 26-Aug-15 20:12:14

This is a Donald Trump tweet on global warming. He is not like our politicians - he is not a moderniser - he is more like Farage.

"This very expensive GLOBAL WARMING bullshit has got to stop. Our planet is freezing, record low temps,and our GW scientists are stuck in ice"

twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/418542137899491328

Trump is currently the frontrunner among Republicans for President. If he goes all the way and makes it, then the whole world will change and all the local bigwigs in countries across the world will start agreeing with Trump.

If Tony Abbott caused panic by breaking out of his climate chains, what will happen when Donald Trump takes over will be like nothing the world has ever seen.

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