More Farage fabulousness

[FollowTheStarship]

I couldn't believe it when he said yesterday he was late for a UKIP event – standing up dozens of supporters who had paid £25 for tickets to see him – because immigration was to blame for heavy traffic on the M4.

On top of the breastfeeding fandango, does anyone else think he is taking the piss? It's like he has started to notice that however outrageously reactionary and nonsensical he is, he just gets more support so he's just seeing how far he can push it?

Then one day he will just say "Actually I was just having you on heh heh! You all went for it! I'm actually a comedian."

[GoofyIsACow]

He reminds me of Katie Hopkins...

I just cannot get my head around the fact that people like this not only exist, but they exist in the public eye influencing other peoples thoughts...

[pommedeterre]

I have always assumed ukip was some kind of practical joke.

[FollowTheStarship]

Is it possible for him to go too far in the eyes of UKIP supporters? Is there any right-wing, racist, misogynist shite he can spout that will actually put people off him (who weren't off him already IYSWIM)? I find him so worrying because it's like he is legitimising saying all this stuff and a lot of people lap it up.

[claig]

'Is it possible for him to go too far in the eyes of UKIP supporters?'

Yes, if he said he believed in man-made climate change, then I would be out.

'does anyone else think he is taking the piss?'

Taking the piss is not Farage's style.

[FollowTheStarship]

So that's all then claig. As far as the right-wing, racist, misogynist shite goes you're fine with it?

[ouryve]

I think he's trying to brush off his Daily Mail image and turning into the Daily Mash, instead.

[claig]

No, it depends what he said. UKIP supporters do tend to believe that the media will take things he says and blow them out of proportion or possibly misrepresent what he said, so they generally distrust what the media says about him.

But I have looked at his twitter over this one and he seems to be defending himself and saying that other politicians have said similar. To me it does seem like a stupid thing to say, so I guess he may have done it deliberately to possibly get more outraged publicity and to possibly win more votes.

[ouryve]

I imagine claig to go all glassy eyed, when talking unjudgementally about the latest object of her political fandom, without irony.

[FollowTheStarship]

I thought it was interesting that on Today this morning they seemed to anticipate the "blow them out of proportion or possibly misrepresent what he said" angle, and just reported the story then said "Let's listen to exactly what he said" and played the section of the interview he said it in.

He did have a right old giggle to himself as he said it, but nothing had been twisted or misrepresented. He spelt it out quite clearly.

[claig]

'but nothing had been twisted or misrepresented. He spelt it out quite clearly.'

Yes, I haven't followed it in detail, but it does seem to me that he probably said it deliberately knowing what outraged publicity would be generated. He probably thinks that the more the Mail, Telegraph, BBC, Guardian attack him, the more votes he will get because lots of people think that the Establishment and their media mates are out to get him.

[Isitmebut]

Rumour has it that Mr Farage was held up on his journey stuck behind a slow moving fire engine, with a 'wooden' driver.

A day later he could probably have blamed the weather as well as 'the wrong type of drivers' on the road.

I do hope Nigel STILL gave everyone who bothered to turn up to hear today, what he'll deny tomorrow, the £25 fee he'd promised them. lol

[ouryve]

Well, if he said it deliberately for the reaction, it show what an utter wanker he is, then.

[claig]

On Sky's Press Preview last night, one of Cameron's former aides, I can't remember what he exactly did for Cameron, said he knows Farage and has met him a few times and he thinks that it may have been Farage making a joke that turned out wrong. Maybe the "giggle" that Farage did when he said it may be a sign that is was a joke of some sort.

[Isitmebut]

Claig .... you KEEP saying on here that 'ONLY FARAGE sez wot he finks', and the more he says, the more we understand - that is until he, or you, tells us 'he didn't mean it' - if his comment goes down like a cup of cold sick.

[Greysanderson]

He really can do no wrong in your eyes can he claig (as long as it isn't about climate change)

[claig]

'until he, or you, tells us 'he didn't mean it'

I said I looked at his twitter and he seems to be defending it and therefore my guess is he did mean it. But I quoted one of Cameron's former aides who said he knows him and he does joke and this may have been a joke.

'He really can do no wrong in your eyes can he claig'

He can, it depends what he says.

On immigration , he has already said he thinks there is too much immigration and he has already been called "racist", "that racist geezer" and "unBritish" etc by the political establishment, comedians and commentators. So what he says doesn't come as a great shock compared to what he has been called.

[Isitmebut]

Greysanderson .... I think this article about sums it up, funny old world on a similar subject.

Of course Ukip won't condemn its racist new partners, because Ukip is the cult of Nigel Farage

“Ukip has allied itself with racists and Holocaust deniers - but as long as that's OK with Nigel Farage, the cult leader, don't expect a peep of condemnation from within the party”

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11179456/Of-course-Ukip-wont-condemn-its-racist-new-partners-because-Ukip-is-the-cult-of-Nigel-Farage.html

[FollowTheStarship]

But something being a joke doesn't automatically make it OK, does it?

[FollowTheStarship]

(Even if it was.)

[claig]

I said I think it was a stupid thing to say.

[claig]

But, paradoxically, the more outraged his political opponents and the establishment and their media get over it, the more votes he will probably win such is the contempt that huge portions of the public have for the establishment parties.

[Isitmebut]

Claig .... Farage's 'appeal' to many is that his words echo those of the old BNP, but he has became the acceptable 'form' of those views.

So after the recent NHS vs private insurance gaff in private meetings came to light, (excuse the pun) but he'd be well aware of the threats of 'leeks' in Wales - so he said exactly what he thought.

On the EU and immigration, yes he said a lot, but while we are IN the EU there wasn't much that CAN be done re a core pillar of the whole project - so when is Farage going to accept those that are here do not need his hate campaign - and for 'the people' to democratically decide, he needs to get out of the way of an EU Referendum, rather than keep bitching about it.

[Viviennemary]

Nigel Farage is the only one who can shake Labour and the Tories out of their complacency that folk have no option but to vote for them. I think it's worth a gamble. I think I'll be voting UKIP even if I don't agree with them on some things.

[claig]

Farage is not getting out of the way of anything because he is a political leader of a fast growing party that won a national election, then a landslide and then another byelection victory. When are you going to stop bitching about it.

[Isitmebut]

Viviennemary .... "Nigel Farage is the only one who can shake Labour and the Tories out of their complacency" - what does that mean?

There is no complacency, the EU have made it very clear that most member States WANT, nay INSIST, on the freedom of movement borders, so that IS UNLIKELY TO EVER CHANGE, so we either stay in and accept it, or have an informed debate on the pros/cons before a Referendum, to potentially leave.

UkIP could double/treble their MEP's, they could even have 200 MP's in Westminster, but it is still impossible FOR UKIP to do what they have promised for decades now, to bring the UK out of the EU and or control EU immigration.