Constance Briscoe(85 Posts)
I've left it a couple of hours for someone else to start a thread because I'm a bit of a shy one but I can resist no more.
I don't know what to say. I am flabbergasted by her poor judgement.
I'm going to be beside myself tomorrow waiting for her sentencing and Max Clifford's.
In no particular order ...
1. The Bar did not I am afraid 'rate' her very highly even before all of this - she was seen as a loose cannon. I can think of plenty of other Afro Carribeans female barristers who are much, much better role models ...
2. The report is not about the Bar but about solicitors. solicitors hold client monies whereas the Bar does not. I am afraid that complaints have to be seen in that context - most were not 'incompetence'
BME in the case of solicitors is unlikely to mean that they were trained overseas as unlike medicine it is very difficult to transfer over from non EU legal systems. This is not in the main an issue therefore about 'forrin' standards and customs. The report was well publicised within the legal profession.
3. I think that she lied because she and VP were women scorned and decided to seek revenge I am afraid - the article about Anthony arlige's new girlfriend was dreadful and I cannot accept that she was not involved in it at all. That in itself was a massive error of judgment by a serving judge ...
The Monty Roberts of the justice system really.
I read her book and found the story inspiring, but the actual way the book was written to be quite dull. Not good penmanship if that makes sense.
Strange to risk so much for no personal gain.
I also listened to the Radio 4 programme, very compelling listening. I think her troubles are only just beginning.
she got it totally wrong. Was her book a good read?
Constance Briscoe first serving judge to be convicted of perverting the course of justice.
Cases Constance Briscoe prosecuted and presided over should be reopened in aftermath of her criminal conviction and jail sentence.
�As formal proceedings to remove her from the judiciary now begin, defendants could call for re-examination of their cases if they have concerns that her proven dishonesty affected proper disclosure of material to their defence lawyers. Briscoe both prosecuted and defended cases in London and Sussex.�
CAN PEOPLE PLEASE HELP TO GET THIS POSTED ALL OVER THE INTERNET AND FORWARDED TO THEIR LOCAL PAPERS? Someone out there may have been wrongly judged by this dishonest judge, and can make a complaint and perhaps get a retrial � PROVIDED THEY KNOW ABOUT IT!
I just listened to the whole programme - thank you OP. Chilling indeed, it makes her sound like a pathological liar.
Still no need to discuss her hair though.... but her lies are fair game
Here it is Very dramatic detective work from the reporter. Near the end there's a story from her sister's ex-boyfriend which, if true, makes her sound mad.
The whole thing makes it chilling that she was a judge.
I've bloody well missed it.R4's PM really went for Briscoe’s libel defence against her mother.
It was a trail for a programme on tonight on R4 at 8pm
That was an interview with the doctor whose apparent letter from the early ‘70s was produced at the trial. It confirmed physical abuse and presumably convinced the jury. He can’t remember after all this time, but thinks it’s unlikely he wrote it because it doesn’t fit with the terms he’d use or the procedure he’d follow.
I'm listening to the trail end of it now. I guess it's on catch up
I started off years ago thinking what a horrible person she is. I was reading The Guardian report and started feeling sorry for her as her life is in tatters and then thought no, I'm not sorry for her.
She and I and everyone else in our profession have to abide by the highest standards of professional integrity ; most of us do. We are very fortunate and privileged. We might have to work hard but the rewards in terms of remuneration and career satisfaction are significant. Not telling lies really isn't that much to ask.
The thing is, Pommes, that given the collapse in her credibility, the claims made in those books can't necessarily be taken wholly at face value now. It is notable that not one of her siblings supports those claims (though that is as consistent with being the scapegoat outcast she says she was as with the accusations being wholly or portly untrue).
We certainly need to work on ensuring people from all classes and cultures know exactly what the rules are and make it a matter of pride that they never bend them in any way.
I have often discussed Chris Huhne's hair. And I'm told he is a man.
I'll try it again if anyone's interested in how I looked in 1987
That link about the disproportionate number of BME firms represented in cases of alleged dishonesty didn't necessarily show dishonesty.
It showed potential dishonesty, but also the difficulty of people who are not from a traditional legal background - white male, middle and upper-class - trying to establish themselves and how they might have to set up their businesses - particularly as sole traders.
Complaints don't mean dishonesty.
I would applaud anyone who isn't from that kind of background in setting out on that path. Constance Briscoe isn't that kind of person.
I say that as a white, originally working class woman.
btw my hair used to look like this
it's not a million miles from this
With regards again to Thrillseeker's link, I thought Professor John's remarks about cultural capital were especially pertinent.
Nursing has a similar issues with disproportionate amount of BME nurses (particularly those from overseas) being sanctioned by their professional body.
However, I think this has a lot, lot, less to do with issues of competency, culturally influenced or otherwise, then issues of most certainly racism* and also not knowing how to "play the game" when dealing with professional bodies. Knowing who to talk to, what to say and how to say it are hugely important in determining what level of sanction you face. I am sure the same applies for solicitors too.
*Racism is most certainly alive and well in the NHS www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20210842
how could someone in her position lie? it really defies all understanding
Actually, I hadn't commented on her hair, only on the comments about her hair! I can genuinely say I hadn't noticed her hair - I had to have another look at the pictures to work out what the fuss was about. And I still don't think it's that bad. Which probably says something about my own standards re appearance...
You are right. It doesn't provoke such outrage in real life but, perhaps, it should? However that's a discussion for an entirely different thread.
Well, we might, depending on how bad it was I'm not saying it's right just that in RL such comment doesn't provoke such outrage.
ClubName - you have (perhaps unintentionally) supported my point, if CB were a man we would not be discussing her hair........
Gosh, yes, I certainly agree with that.
How many people on mumsnet commented on the hair of Chris Huhne during his trial?
I agree that her history and her crime shouldn't necessarily be associated. However, I think it's distasteful for 'lighthearted'' comments to be made about the hair/appearance of a woman who spent thousands of pounds altering her appearance, as a result of childhood abuse by a mother who bullied her for (in her mother's opinion) being "ugly".
< ignores overuse of the word 'appearance' and posts anyway >
ClubN, same here. The only people who have ever offered me bribes have been from Asia. Mind you there is more than enough corruption in all cultures too - including those allegations of selling land in small subplots scam where the case just collapsed due to the low fees the state now pays for the barristers. www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/r-v-crawley-others.pdf
CB should not have lied. Do buy her books though - they are really worth reading, very good indeed and what an awful childhood. I cannot imagine it is made up even if some evidence were not accurate. There was enough evidence that was.
LOL Limited. I have photos to prove that over the years my judgement re hair has been diabolical. I think my professional judgement has been basically sound though
You should have learned by now though that's it's not possible, on MN, to talk about any woman seriously and mention their appearance at the same time without getting a severe ticking off. That fact that it's done in RL without comment everyday but not even a whisper of it is allowed here does make me laugh.
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