Britain NOT a “Christian county” – since when??

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Isitmebut Tue 22-Apr-14 14:59:00

Generally speaking, when taking a snapshot of any country there are several nation traits most people just know about us that is made up of from a rich history and traditions, and Britain is no exception.

We have a monarchy, we speak English, our currency is the English Pound Sterling (lol), we still eat fish and chips out of a newspaper - and if you asked what our religion is, whether they knew about Henry VIII’s spat with the Pope or not, without the need to be specific they’d say we were ‘Christian’ – ask anyone.

Well not everyone, and certainly not the 55 ‘public figures’ that have accused Cameron for daring to point out the bleedin’ obvious, after nearly 1,000 years of international and domestic wars/conflicts, fought in the name of a ‘Christian’ religion – who accuse him of “mischaracterising” Britain, “fostering alienation” and argue that members of an elected government have no right to “actively prioritise” religion or any particular faith. Wh-at????
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10777270/David-Cameron-fuelling-sectarian-division-by-bringing-God-into-politics.html

They argued that, apart from a “narrow constitutional sense”, there is no evidence to justify describing Britain as Christian, mainly because the 2011 Census saw a dramatic fall in those tick boxing ‘Christian’, wh-at???

Forgetting God for a moment, after several years now most citizens still won’t acknowledge that we have a honking great budget deficit and national debt - and that there has been the greatest recession since the 1930’s, yet there is far more historical and current evidence out there that it all exists - so don’t use dumb statistics of a Census that included those ticking ‘Jedi’ as a religion, to diss 1,000 years of our history.

Now I have no cares for looking into (and then trying to label) their political motives, but it seems rather ‘Leftie’ to me – and far too similar to this little bit of ‘social engineering’, designed to QUOTE “rub the Right’s nose in diversity”, by the last government.

“Labour wanted mass immigration to make UK more multicultural, says former adviser”

“Labour threw open Britain's borders to mass immigration to help socially engineer a "truly multicultural" country, a former Government adviser has revealed.”

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

So is this YET MORE ‘nose rubbing’ by Lefties into Righties in the name of ‘diversity’, as Cameron was not ‘doing down’ the other religions, who themselves would resist any notion that their OWN countries were secular, so rightly acknowledge that the UK is a ‘Christian’ country.

“David Cameron Christianity claim backed by religious groups”
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27105023

Religious groups have backed Prime Minister David Cameron's assertion Britain is "a Christian country".

Hindu Council UK said it was "very comfortable" with the description. The Muslim Council of Britain said the UK was a largely Christian country.

So based on our proud history as an ethnic religiously TOLERENT nation and the role that ‘The Protestant Work Ethic’ had on our prosperity, who is to TELL OUR GOVERNMENT that we are NOT a ‘Christian’ country, or indeed that Christianity still has a role in today’s society - to help solve some of the work ethic problems that have grown within our society, now all the money has gone?

“Niall Ferguson - Killer 'apps': the ideas that propelled the west to world domination (see list at bottom of this link)”
www.theguardian.com/books/2011/feb/20/niall-ferguson-interview-civilization

6. Work ethic: As Max Weber noted a century ago, Protestantism was a form of Christianity that encouraged hard work (and just as importantly, Ferguson adds, reading and saving). It isn't a coincidence, he says, that the decline of religion in Europe has led to Europeans becoming the "idlers of the world" (while the more religious US has remained hard-working). Interestingly, Ferguson also argues that China's embrace of hard work is partly because of the spread there of Protestantism.

We had 13-years of ‘Lefties’ running our government, their Quangocracy, most of our media, our education system, the police etc etc etc.

So (from a lapsed CoE ‘weddings and funerals only’ citizen) god help us as a monarchy, an individual State with proud traditions/rights and our prosperity, when they get back in and finish off the destructive job to the British way of life they started in 1997, and left as a work in progress, in 2010.

HecatePropylaea Tue 29-Apr-14 13:14:25

Thank you for that link. Any chance I ever had of getting off the internet at some point this year has just gone. grin grin

anonacfr Tue 29-Apr-14 18:41:17

I know. grin

Seriously some of these comments are fabulous. I remember a long rambling post about what would happen if you were raptured away while driving your car.

The verdict was that it wouldn't matter because the people left behind would clearly be sinners so crashing into them would be irrelevant.

The best thing about the site is that you get the direct links to the crazy fundie forums.

Isitmebut Wed 21-May-14 18:12:34

Noting Ukip’s prominence come this election and the frightening thought that Farage believes that Ukip could hold the balance of power in the next General Election.

IF repeat IF the UK politically felt the need to change it’s ‘Christian’ designation for votes now and in the future (see link below), on some misplaced view that people in this country don’t care, it would be a grave mistake for the obvious reason.
“Ethnic minorities 'could be almost a third of UK population by 2050', claims think-tank”
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ethnic-minorities-could-be-almost-a-third-of-uk-population-by-2050-claims-thinktank-9325660.html

Do not forget that it was the open door immigration issue, EU and other more ‘secretive’ agendas from Labour that gave Ukip (and initially the BNP with splinter groups setting up since) their growing support and where we find our self today, having to listen several times a day to a political party with dodgy motives and few real policies.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

So I can’t think of a better future Recruitment Sergeant for the likes of Ukip than a UK government deciding that society ‘needs’ to change Britain FROM a Christian religious umbrella where all other religions are free to worship, to something far more convoluted – needing time consuming constitutional change – especially if sprung on the electorate mid term, rather than applying for a mandate through a general election manifesto.

Furthermore, what religious can of worms would be opened if each non Christian religion were to somehow be represented in, say, parliament, as there are many cases here and throughout the world where there is strife intra religion, just think of the time consuming political bun fights both intra and inter, as they al vie for position as the Uk tries to fix what ain’t broke - as If schooling is the issue, people are free to set up their own.

Just saying.

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