Russia has invaded Ukraine

(385 Posts)
ohmymimi Fri 28-Feb-14 18:38:17

Not a shot fired. Putin outwits the West and who/what will stop him getting his way?

PigletJohn Tue 08-Apr-14 01:33:01
PigletJohn Sat 29-Mar-14 20:08:50

claig Fri 28-Feb-14 18:55:04
Don't panic. There is no invasion. Some troops have taken over airport etc, but they are not officially supposed to be Russian troops.

hahahahahahahahahaha!

PigletJohn Thu 20-Mar-14 12:57:24

It is 'Ukraine'.......not 'the Ukraine'.

mathanxiety Wed 19-Mar-14 05:37:12

A few details they probably should have thought about before staging a coup and throwing the country into chaos perhaps 1stworldview?

The government of Ukraine (the legitimate one) had accepted a Russian offer that if it had ever become reality would have prevented all of the destruction of lives and business that is about to happen.

The future does not look good for Ukraine. It faces decades of debt bondage to the US. Probably within the next ten years Ukraine will see a sharp drop in life expectancy (read: old people will die of malnutrition, cold, and health issues they can't afford to treat), and an uptick in emigration by the young and educated. And also an increase in the exploitation of women as noted.

Further down the road, when it dawns on Ukrainians that the sucking sound they hear in their ears is the sound of wealth created by them making its way into the coffers of investment firms in New York there will be a backlash.
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I suspect we have heard all we are going to hear about sanctions.

PigletJohn Tue 18-Mar-14 13:20:16

I think we have established that nobody wants to have a war with Russia, and Putin will bolster his popularity inside Russia as long as his military adventures are successful.

Absy Tue 18-Mar-14 12:25:12

The sanctions are completely useless - it's against private assets and theoretically (actually legally), Russian government ministers are prohibited from having their assets held outside of the country under FARSO, so it shouldn't have an effect, and a travel ban - meh. The EU and US are posturing, they're not doing anything useful. It's a pissing contest.

PigletJohn Tue 18-Mar-14 09:40:22

The pro-Putin lobby here (you know who you are) will object to you using the words "invasion of the Ukraine by Russia"

1stworldview Tue 18-Mar-14 08:31:56

The invasion of the Ukraine by Russia is sending a ripple effect through out Eastern Europe. With the prospects now for possible cold war starting all over again investors brace for sanctions against Russia. And with the already falling economy of the Ukraine, investors and business are bailing out as fast as they can.

During the next few years, the Ukraine economy will be pushed to its limits. Currently, the Ukraine desperately needs 30 billion in loans to survive, and with ousted former president Viktor Yanukovich having already pulled the country out from the European Union, and the new government wanting nothing to do with Russia, the government will be in dire straits.

The US State department has issued a travel warning urging Americans not to travel to the Ukraine. Tourism is a huge part of Ukraine economy. with hotels, airlines and restaurants depending on tourism. As these businesses cut back, the ripple effect in cities like Kiev, Odessa and Yalta will have devastating consequences on the economy. Just as when the housing market died in the US, the effects were felt world wide. Not only will Ukraine's economy continue to decline, but most of Western Europe's fragile economy will also feel the effects.

One industry that seems to thrive on the situation is the foreign bride market, A Foreign Affair operates four office in the Ukraine. Kenneth Agee the marketing director says, "In the last few weeks we have seen the biggest surge ever on women signing up. Not only have we seen the biggest surge, but we have seen the highest quality of women signing up; doctors, engineers, even some of Ukraine's most beautiful models, With the possibility of war looming over the horizon, American men are looking very desirable." A Foreign Affair 's new member Irina of Kiev says, "America is stable, American men have very good family values. These are important to Ukraine women; we want a good environment to raise our families. With Russian tanks rolling down our streets, I do not see a bright future here for starting a family.

The future does not look good for the Ukraine. Russia has no intention of letting Ukraine have complete independence. Most western Ukrainians have had a strong dislike for Russia for many generations, and will do what ever it takes to resist Russian influence or occupation. This being said, the country will have a long battle and many lines drawn in the sand, from serious economic sanctions to full out war. At this time, it looks like this struggle could go on for a decade or more.

mathanxiety Thu 13-Mar-14 00:16:09

A very sensible article (and just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you),

PigletJohn Thu 13-Mar-14 00:10:35

I haven't paid much attention to the US, so I don't know who you mean. Do please tell us.

mathanxiety Thu 13-Mar-14 00:09:20

The pro US lobby here (you know who you are) can't seem to understand that the US has supported the ouster of a democratically elected president in an unlawful and unconstitutional coup and is now falling over itself lending legitimacy to the usurpers (see photo of Obama and his new best buddy Yats in the White House on BBC website) and trying to divert attention away from this act of terrorism by its right wing proxies (because that is what overthrowing the governments of sovereign states is called) by bleating about Crimea.

Hopefulgoat Wed 12-Mar-14 09:58:23

A sensible article from the Guardian The west's do-somethings will do nothing for Ukraine

DoctorTwo Wed 12-Mar-14 09:51:28

The US are threatening Russia with sanctions. The Russian response? Fine, apply sanctions, we'll stop using dollars to buy oil. If that happens China will probably follow suit.

PigletJohn Wed 12-Mar-14 09:35:42

Oh, so you're back to calling me a Nazi are you?

You're not much good at this.

Hopefulgoat Wed 12-Mar-14 09:15:58

I can't see your answer. Was it "yes" or "no?"

That could be a dialogue from a Gestapo interrogation scene in a WWII movie...

PigletJohn Wed 12-Mar-14 08:39:10

The pro-Russian lobby on here cannot bring themselves to say that Russia has instigated a military invasion and occupation of the Ukraine.

Fluff, flannel and C&P do not conceal their difficulty.

mathanxiety Wed 12-Mar-14 04:25:08

Russia has occupied (to be precise, it is the process of occupying) the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, a region that up to 1954 was part of Russia but was given to Crimea by a regime that maintained its power by terror, and was never freely elected -- for some reason it appears really important to her/him to claim that the gift of an illegitimate regime is a matter carved in stone. It's bizarre really -- it seems to be the only act of the Soviet Union that commands any respect from PigletJohn.

I must confess to being a little confused PigletJohn -- do they or don't they get along? It's one thing to say an invasion, occupation, or whatever can be expected to produce ill feeling, etc., but do they or don't they in actual fact get along? And how many of them get along vs. don't get along? Does anybody get along? Does nobody get along? And how exactly do we assess 'getting along'? Are there degrees of 'getting along', where 10 is hopping in bed together and 1 is remaining on the same side of the road if they meet but only just? How is 'getting along' measured?

Clearly a referendum might answer the burning question.

PigletJohn Wed 12-Mar-14 00:47:29

I can't see your answer. Was it "yes" or "no?"

Hopefulgoat Wed 12-Mar-14 00:36:04

I already answered to your question up thread.

PigletJohn Wed 12-Mar-14 00:23:13

You are not addressing the question. Am I to understand that you don't believe Russia has instigated a military invasion and occupation of Ukraine?

Hopefulgoat Wed 12-Mar-14 00:20:23

You are not addressing the question. What kind of ill feelings towards Russian speaking population of Ukraine?

Have you already prepared the donation of £5 to MN?

PigletJohn Wed 12-Mar-14 00:15:28

Am I to understand that you don't believe Russia has instigated am military invasion and occupation of Ukraine?

Hopefulgoat Wed 12-Mar-14 00:14:59

Piglet,

The media are saying threats to Russian speaking population is just propaganda, but you seen to confirm that there are ill feelings.

What kind of ell-feelings? Please explain?

PigletJohn Wed 12-Mar-14 00:12:37

Goat

I can read the words but I don't know what you intend to convey by the way you have assembled them.

Am I to understand that you don't believe Russia has instigated am military invasion and occupation of Ukraine?

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