Owen Jones Change Org Petition against Daily Mail sexualisation of children

[FiveExclamations]

Is here if anyone is interested

[ohmymimi]

Thanks for highlighting this. Signed.

[mizu]

Done

[NiceTabard]

Signed, thank you for posting this.

I don't read the mail, but had heard of a couple of instances of this, recently with reference to "first bikini shoot" of a 12 year old.

The examples given in the petition are absolutely shocking. Can it be legal for a newspaper to drool over underage girls like that?

[nennypops]

And yet this is the paper enthusiastically pursuing a bullying smear campaign hinting very forcefully indeed that politicians they dislike in some way condone paedophilia. Utter hypocrites.

[Quodlibet]

I knew the Mail was bad but this is worse than I ever imagined. Just gross and so depressing that a mainstream newspaper is talking about young girls in these terms.

[FiveExclamations]

My DD is 11, there is already a current of "must be pretty - must be thin - must have boyfriend" running through some of her friends.

My DD told me she didn't want to grow up, the impression she's was getting was that she'd have to be like this, as if it would be impossible to be a woman and not be this way.

This even with a sci-fi loving nerd mother and a dad who is teaching her to drive steam trains, both of whom are telling her to be whoever and whatever she wants.

[Isitmebut]

Looking at the Peter Pan like Master Own Jones, one has to consider if his ‘concerns’ on any sexualisation of children relates more to his personal safety, I do wonder if he shaves yet. Lol

Clearly the 1970’s were crazy, everyone had their ‘rights’ and there wasn’t any thought out concerns to where it would lead, from ‘free love’ (that apparently to the P.I.E. meant for anyone over 10-years of age) to the belief that British manufacturing could survive no matter how uncompetitive they became – the people had THEIR rights and would march to uphold them, at the drop of a machine tooled widget

So balancing the current spat, one has to ask if The Daily Mail had any justifiable moral ‘rights’ to bring the ‘crazy’ 1970’s up NOW, or Mr Jones writing for a rival newspaper, that is about as (politically) Independent as my bottom is from my legs, has any real journalistic scoop here.

IMO The Daily Mail is wrong, and any newspaper that writes daily about Kim Kardashian’s life (and attached bottom) should always have it’s content sanity questioned, never mind its morals.

But surely Master Jones should ‘grow up’ as a journalist and try and spend more time trying to find a real scoop; as two related pieces of ill thought out journalism, posing as crusades, will never equal a ‘right’ - 1970’s style, or in the 21st century where we should know better.

[slug]

Wow Isitmebut. Judging a person's intellectual worth on their looks....

[Isitmebut]

Hardly my main point slug, do you think Mr Owen had been beavering away on the Daily Mail's sexualisation of children BEFORE their attack on Labour politicians?

If you can show that he was, I'd gladly apologise for inferring that his motives were political.

As to whether a journalist like Mr Owen, with a brain the size of a planet, who recently compared Ukip voters with Labour favourably, could find a more politically stimulating crusade, I’d suggest that he could - whether possessing a face as smooth as a baby's bum, or not.

[slug]

Looking at the Peter Pan like Master Own Jones, one has to consider if his ‘concerns’ on any sexualisation of children relates more to his personal safety, I do wonder if he shaves yet. Lol

Can you not see how offensive that particular comment is?

[Isitmebut]

Deeply offensive to whom, as surely the only one that could be offended is Mr Owen?

And if a serious journalist worthy of entering the cut and thrust of political journalism throws both a wounded hissy fit and his toys out of the pram at little old me, then maybe I wasn’t too far off my maturity (humour) mark.

[nennypops]

Come off it, you don't seriously believe that Owen Jones is putting that forward as a scoop, do you? He is simply making an entirely valid point about the Mail's rank hypocrisy and its own fairly disgusting standards when it comes to issues about child protection and abuse.

[slug]

Nor is he putting it forward to save himself from all the predatory pedophiles who cannot resist his boyish face.

[Isitmebut]

Actually you are right, an Owen Jones petition is NOT a scoop, it is a pathetic gimmick.

I thought we had enough of the ‘thought police’, where ideologically if anyone dares have any critical opinion challenging theirs, they get attacked i.e. on open door immigration, or David Kelly and the Iraq ‘dodgy dossier’ made up by Alasdair Campbell, so are either vilified as ‘racist’, or end up dead in a forest dead under suspicious circumstances.

I reiterate I believe the Daily Mail were wrong in bringing up the 1970’s quirks of ‘freedom’ now, but what the hell does this have to do with Owen Jones and a petition re Daily Mail comments on girls in their newspaper e.g wearing nic-binis?

Next the left wing idiot will suggest that no parent can ever take pictures of their own children at school sports day, or plays, in case ped parents violates other children’s ‘rights’ not to be photographed in a compromising position attending to baby Jesus or riding the bleedin’ donkey – or has that been done already?

If Owen Jones has a problem with me, just tell him that my dad is bigger than his dad.

[FiveExclamations]

Maybe Owen Jones only published this petition to get back at the Mail for the PIE scandal.

If so, he's being moderately subtle about it. The petition says "Stop sexualising children" not "Stop sexualising children you hypocritical meanies."

Anyway, I couldn't care less, the Mail's attitude to women and children is execrable, I signed and shared happily.

[Isitmebut]

FiveExclamations...OK then, you want to get down to all the moral issues here rather than blame The Mail for being The Mail, well you’re not on very solid ground there. And as we’ve found, the Parliamentary Labour Party can justify every one of their actions whilst in government, as they always believe that they occupy the moral high ground e.g. it matters not what we do to ‘the people’, as long as we keep out the Conservatives.

Well here is someone from the old Labour neck of the woods who won’t be organising a petition in order to ‘deflect’ responsibility.

“Dan Hodges is a former Labour Party and GMB trade union official, and has managed numerous independent political campaigns. He writes about Labour with tribal loyalty and without reservation. He is on Twitter at@dpjhodges.”

blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100261646/nccl-paedophilia-scandal-patricia-hewitts-apology-blows-harriet-harmans-last-defence-out-of-the-water/

[NiceTabard]

I don't care what his motives are.

The Mail do sexualise underage girls and that is very wrong. If something is obviously wrong, does it really matter who brings it to your attention or what their motives are?

People have been starting threads on here for ages when the Mail publishes yet another article describing a female child in a disturbing manner. This is hardly a new thing, and the petition is a good outlet for those people who find it revolting to express how they feel.

[NiceTabard]

hmm there probably needs to be another comma in that last line

try adding one after "revolting"

[BoulevardOfBrokenSleep]

Isitmebut - you've managed to fill half the thread as it stands, without actually commenting on whether you think the mail's sexualisation of children is wrong or not.

Have you considered a career in politics at all?

[nennypops]

Isitmebut: there's nothing like a straw man argument, is there?

Dan Hodges is only old Labour in his own head. The reality is that he's right wing.

[FiveExclamations]

I am absolutely going to blame the Mail for being the Mail, they do actually have a choice.

I'm going to blame any publication that makes children into sexually titillating body parts in order to boost circulation and increase advertising revenue.

I blame advertisers who choose to advertise in the Mail knowing that that's what it does.

I blame people who buy it in order to be titillated by 14 year olds, or who pretend that isn't what is going on.

I signed Owen Jones' petition because I agree with the petition, this does not mean I agree with everything Owen Jones does or says.

I am neither a Labour nor Conservative supporter (nor any other political party).

In my opinion the politicians involved in the NCCL/PIE debacle deserve the scrutiny they are getting.

If anyone ever finds a verifiable picture of David Cameron in a "Hang Mandela" t-shirt (I'll be surprised) then he should be booted out of office simply for the dizzying hypocrisy of his "hero of our time speech".

From my memory of the Butler report Tony Blair was at absolute and unlikely best seriously negligent in his examination of the "evidence" regarding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and if there was any justice in the world would face charges.

I have been involved in a variety of campaigns in a variety of ways, sometimes using social media, sometimes lobbying politicians and I believe change is a process of gradual erosion. In my view this petition is a tiny, almost insignificant part of that process, but not pointless, it has at least got people talking.

[Isitmebut]

BoulevardOfBrokenSleep…..I’m sorry, please let me make myself clear, as a parent of two now grown up girls (one boy), too tight to buy a newspaper but as a news junkie with little else to do, I have read copious amounts of newsprint for many, many years, including the Daily Mail, to my recollection I think the accusation is….without foundation.

However I do think that the Mail on-line content has gone downhill over the past few years, as in my opinion they are trying to broaden their appeal to those looking for public interest titillation e.g. the extra wide berthed Kardashians, rather than maintain in depth (tabloid level) news.

But to be totally honest , whether due to taste or online availability, I have no young girl article “drooling” count comparisons with other tabloids like the Mirror, Star, Express, Sun, or Sport, so open to all the comparison research you must have.

Frankly I surprised that we have so many Daily Mail readers on here, considering how offended they are by everything they write, or maybe that’s where I went wrong, I’m not looking for ‘it’, whatever the ‘it’ is our senses are currently offended by.

Are stars children, or any others in swim wear etc banned from other tabloids , like the Express, who’s probably filled up more front and inside pages with weather reports and beach shots than any other newspaper in the world? Never mind, but I seriously would be interested in the tabloid comparisons as if guilty, they will no longer reap the benefits of my ‘clicks’.

[NiceTabard]

"the extra wide berthed Kardashians"

This is a term I have not heard before, what does it mean?

[NiceTabard]

You think that only the Mail draws the disapprobation of MNers?

You're obviously not a regular!