Marine kills injured Afghan.

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Geckos48 Sat 09-Nov-13 07:59:40

Just think, we'd be calling these fellas Heroes had they not been caught.

Makes my blood run cold.
http://www.itv.com/news/2013-11-07/court-marshall-releases-recording-of-marines-killing-afghan/

So disappointed in our armed forces. Once again.

Geckos48 Sat 09-Nov-13 08:00:09

Couldn't convert links in first post so here it is again

www.itv.com/news/2013-11-07/court-marshall-releases-recording-of-marines-killing-afghan/

LtEveDallas Sat 09-Nov-13 08:06:56

So disappointed in 3 rogue members of our 120,000 strong armed forces Once again.

Fixed that for you smile

Geckos48 Sat 09-Nov-13 08:09:07

No, this is just what was found/what we hear about. Far more stuff goes on that isn't 'news worthy'

And aren't we there because a few people in that whole country are 'problems'?

What is good for the goose...

LtEveDallas Sat 09-Nov-13 08:15:05

No, this is just what was found/what we hear about. Far more stuff goes on that isn't 'news worthy

Proof please. You have been asked time and time again not to make unfounded accusations, hints and goads. Do you have problems understanding why proof is needed?

And aren't we there because a few people in that whole country are 'problems'?

No.

What is good for the goose

Harold Shipman - therefore all doctors are murderers.
Beverly Allit - therefore all nurses are murderers.
Fran Lyon - therefore all social workers are busybodies who just want to split up families without just cause.
Sharon Shoesmith - therefore all social workers are inept and cause the deaths of babies.

MrPricklepants Sat 09-Nov-13 08:16:44

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MrPricklepants Sat 09-Nov-13 08:17:04

Ooohh cross post!

kim147 Sat 09-Nov-13 08:17:20

Look at the stuff in the jails. I bet a lot more stuff like this goes on.

But I can't blame them for their actions. War brutalises people. It's happened in previous conflicts and will happen in other conflicts. You've seen colleagues being blown up, lost people - that must do stuff to your mind. Even when you think you're in control.

I feel sorry for him. And he's right "It's nothing they wouldn't do to us".

Geckos48 Sat 09-Nov-13 08:19:51

Here

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/royal-marine-found-guilty-of-murder-for-battlefield-execution-of-injured-afghan-insurgent-8929338.html

Talks about other members of the patrol who lied for the murderer who has been found guilty.

Goes into much more detail about the nature of these men and how they conduct themselves.

I have no reason to believe this conduct is limited to just these individuals. Yes 'worse happens in prison' but we call them criminals and contain them, we don't call them heroes and send them out into the world.

Geckos48 Sat 09-Nov-13 08:20:40

You can't blame him for killing a wounded man in a field execution? Fortunately our justice system is less forgiving of such atrocious behaviour.

LtEveDallas Sat 09-Nov-13 08:21:33

Kim - he may be right, but we in the British Military are better than that. We subscribe to and follow intently the Geneva Convention. These men didn't and should pay the highest price. I condemn them with all my heart - there is NO excuse for their actions.

kim147 Sat 09-Nov-13 08:21:47

There was a Facebook campaign to free them when evidence first emerged of this killing. 65,000 likes.

Soldiers aren't perfect. Put them in a war zone on the front line, expose them to killing, daily death and the stuff they see and then expect them to have higher moral standards than the enemy?

Never happened in any war.

Cutteduppumpkin Sat 09-Nov-13 08:22:55

The members of the armed forces that I know, (including a couple of ex marines), are horrified by the actions of these men.

Geckos48 Sat 09-Nov-13 08:23:09

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Geckos48 Sat 09-Nov-13 08:24:41

and the ex-army general who has dismissed the goading of this man as he died as 'usual army banter'

Calling for leniency for a murderer based on that culture?

kim147 Sat 09-Nov-13 08:25:02

Germany followed the Geneva Convention. Didn't stop troops massacring prisoners if they were an inconvenience.

wannabestressfree Sat 09-Nov-13 08:26:00

In the same week that we have had news coverage of afghan 'friendly' civilians shooting the soldiers who were training them and after they had taken nice pictures....... My horror lies there.
I am appalled they showed the footage of the event on the six o clock news (that I was watching with my son). Yes that marine committed a crime but that area is a pressure cooker. And that's coming from someone who's x husband is currently there working.

Geckos48 Sat 09-Nov-13 08:26:31

And it doesn't stop us doing the same kim. I only wish I didn't have to say 'us' in that sentence but the fact is, these men wear the flag of my country and they are ambassadors for me and my country. I hang my head in shame at it all I really do.

Geckos48 Sat 09-Nov-13 08:27:53

I wonder how many of our young men will lose lives (and I include those who commit murder) because of this hopeless and ridiculous occupation?

MrPricklepants Sat 09-Nov-13 08:30:35

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kim147 Sat 09-Nov-13 08:31:52

A pressure cooker. Exactly. You don't know who your friends or enemies are.

Yes, we have the Geneva convention. Yes. we like to think we have the moral high ground. You see your friends killed, blown up in a war that is so unlike conventional warfare and I cannot believe that will not fuck up your sense of right and wrong. And lead you to do things like this.

They just fucked up because of the helmet cam

PassTheCremeEggs Sat 09-Nov-13 08:32:18

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Bowlersarm Sat 09-Nov-13 08:32:56

Hang your head in shame at our armed forces. Good for you. Why don't you polish your halo as well whilst you are standing there condemning them all.

A one off random act and you are condemning thousands of brave soldiers putting their lives permanently at risk?

LtEveDallas Sat 09-Nov-13 08:33:41

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