Child marriage

(358 Posts)
FruityPops Mon 07-Oct-13 12:20:15

Why are so many imams in the UK willing to force fourteen year old girls to marry against their wishes? Don't ordinary muslims know what's going on?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2447720/Clerics-18-mosques-caught-agreeing-marry-girls-14-Four-imams-investigated-undercover-operation.html

YouTheCat Mon 07-Oct-13 12:57:32

You directly addressed crescent.

Minnieisthedevilmouse Mon 07-Oct-13 12:57:53

Ah the old "it's in the daily mail so must be true" angle OP I'm sure your as well meaning as you are dense. No doubt it's the gay mentally ill pedophiles that support fox hunting blacks that are really to blame.

And as for "if people talk about it it's easier to stop" just be sensible, people always 'know' and never do something.

Go back and read the next page and see if something more interesting is there eh?

Hubb Mon 07-Oct-13 12:59:18

Wonder if anyone heard about the latest gang convicted of grooming/underage sex?

They're white non muslims so it's not been widely reported at all. Why can't people realise why things are reported in this way? They Just accept the view that it's a widespread muslim problem in our communities

nennypops Mon 07-Oct-13 13:02:52

how is it racist or islamophobic to express concern about forced child marriage and rape?

It's Islamophobic when you single out adherents to Islam as being responsible for child rape when you well know that it is unfortunately in no way confined to Islam and the Christian church has a particularly bad record in that regard. It's Islamophobic when you suggest that all Moslems known about and condone it. And it's Islamophobic when you accept without criticism an anti-Islam report from a paper with a known Islamophobic agenda and a track record of inaccurate and biased reporting.

friday16 Mon 07-Oct-13 13:03:22

*Wonder if anyone heard about the latest gang convicted of grooming/underage sex?

They're white non muslims*

Link?

fuzzywuzzy Mon 07-Oct-13 13:03:29

As a Muslim mother of girls I am incandescent that you OP have taken it upon yourself to tell me I am a party to such a horrendous crime.

I do not know a single child who has been forced into a marriage.

To say I do know and am wilfully turning a blind eye is hugely offensive, I don't know a single imam from several mosques across East and central London who would conduct a marriage of a minor or has done so.

Are you so blatantly xenophobic to Muslims in rl, or do you save your bile from the cowardly security of your computer?

YouTheCat Mon 07-Oct-13 13:03:50

Applauds Nenny

EldritchCleavage Mon 07-Oct-13 13:04:19

so many imams

How many? What proportion of all imams?

And how interesting to have yet another of these threads. Careful, OP, your agenda's showing...

YouTheCat Mon 07-Oct-13 13:08:25

Fruity, have you name changed for this thread or have you just joined MN?

FruityPops Mon 07-Oct-13 13:09:23

fuzzywuzzy -save your incandescent rage for people who are forcing children into marriage. Now you know about it you can be on the lookout for it like the rest of us can't you.

YouTheCat Mon 07-Oct-13 13:11:00

And you can be on the look out for child abusing priests then, Fruity. hmm

FruityPops Mon 07-Oct-13 13:12:02

Cat - Yes, I can.

ReallyTired Mon 07-Oct-13 13:13:10

I imagine that the reported visited mosques known for extremism and there are hundreds of mosques in the UK. There are 18 bad apples among 100s of inams. Clearly even one corrupt inam is too many. I feel that this journalism has benefitted muslims by high lighting a problem in their mosque. However its wrong to tar all muslims with the same brush.

Regulating places of worship is a huge issue for child protection. Sexual abusers are of all creeds and colours. I would like to see all places of worship registered and all relgious leaders having to do child protection courses by law and undergo a CRB check.

Hubb Mon 07-Oct-13 13:13:16

www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/10716745.UPDATED_with_photos__The_12_men_who_abused_the_same_13_year_old_girl/?ref=mr

Hope this works I've never linked before.

Don't think there is any mention of their ethnicity or religion in the article

YouTheCat Mon 07-Oct-13 13:13:52

But what about me? I'm an atheist. Should I be on the lookout for non-religious abusers just to cover the gap? confused

crescentmoon Mon 07-Oct-13 13:14:12

fruity i, just like fuzzy, though you would wish to make us 'other', have, just like any mother of daughters in the UK, much bigger concerns to worry about for our daughters growing up than child marriage. are you getting on a soapbox and angry about the hypersexualisation of our daughters - collectively?

are you starting threads about the social pressure to have sex at earlier and earlier ages before the minds of teenagers matures?

or about how pornography skews the perceptions of teens from a young age about sex.

thats what scares me about whats facing my daughter growing up, thats what il be on the lookout for

nennypops Mon 07-Oct-13 13:14:48

I see fruitypops is either new to Mumsnet or has namechanged. There's a surprise.

EldritchCleavage Mon 07-Oct-13 13:15:06

Oh definitely, YouTheCat. Those secular humanists are evil buggers, absolutely depraved.

fuzzywuzzy Mon 07-Oct-13 13:15:30

Fruity, I'd love for you to have the balls to tell me that to my face.

It is not prevalent in Muslim circles.

If I have never come across this practice in my life then as a Muslim woman, living in the environment this supposedly happens in, I am better placed to refute or support your spurious accusations, I refute it, it is not a prevalent practice within the Muslim community.

FlapJackOLantern Mon 07-Oct-13 13:17:17

it is not a prevalent practice within the Muslim community.

So why are a lot of Imams, in the UK, condoning it?

Hubb Mon 07-Oct-13 13:18:28

Definitely crescent!

I have no concern that my daughter, or any of my close female relatives will be forced to marry, let alone under aged. Don't know what else I can do on that front.

friday16 Mon 07-Oct-13 13:18:31

Did you actually read the story?

Not a gang. They didn't know each other. Twelve paedophiles had sex with a thirteen year old after she put a profile on a dating website claiming to be 18. Independently of each other. How does that constitute a "gang"?

YouTheCat Mon 07-Oct-13 13:19:09

18 is not a lot.

Daisypolka Mon 07-Oct-13 13:19:17

I feel forced marriage is an issue that should be discussed without fear of being racist.

Im a teacher and we have been told professionally about this issue for many years, what to look out for etc

We need to protect young girls from this.

EldritchCleavage Mon 07-Oct-13 13:19:54

How many imams are there?
How many can be shown to have condoned it?

Because depending on the answer we may have a serious problem (very unlikely), a limited problem (unlikely) or the kind of small number nutter fringe that infests most religions/large-scale movements (very likely).

No point getting knickers in a twists until we know which it is.

And yes, I know even one person advocating this is one too many, but that's not how the thread has been put.

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