What on EARTH happened in Kenya :-(??

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Save us all from fanatics sadangry.

I am quite fanatically against extremists of all colours/faiths/nationalities.

What can go on in their heads when they plan an attack like this? Are they hoping to win support? Do they truly believe that atrocious acts like this wins a place in paradise?? Really?

I despair sometimes sad.

katieperez Tue 01-Oct-13 12:24:28

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Master, what a heartfelt post - thank you.
I trust that the overwhelming number of people of all faiths, colours and nationalities feel like you do and that those extreme minorities don't win just because they resort to violence.
Yes, Nazism may have been an import, but sadly a lot of people joined or supported it by omission of action against it...

There are so many deeply troubling things going on in various African states, but also in Asia and China sad.

caramelwaffle Mon 30-Sep-13 11:39:36

"Boko Haram regards schools as a symbol of Western culture. The group's name translates as "Western education is forbidden"."

I abhor what is, and has been happening in Nigeria;
in this instance they have targeted agricultural students: they are wiping out a generation of young people who can bring growth and internal prosperity to the country.

They want a ruling religious elite and an uneducated slave class in the country.

MasterOfTheYoniverse Mon 30-Sep-13 11:05:13

and what the f*** just happened in Nigeria and what's been going on for some time now. EVERYWHERE.

I, Arab, Muslim, naturalised british urge everyone to accept that we are in this day and age fighting a war against FASCISTS just as you Europeans did in 1939.
I, as an arab/asian, muslim born , "westernized" have no identity because I'm robbed of it by fascists who take over all our indigenous countries from the straights of Gibraltar all the way to Indonesia.
Not to mention all of us in the diaspora that live in Australia, the far east or America, etc…
So yes, for most its an imported problem… but so was nazism.

omuwalamulungi Sun 29-Sep-13 00:30:31

Lots of my East African friends say that we (white people) all look the same.

I have a friend who is 5'10, dark hair, brown eyes, I'm 5ft, blonde hair, blue eyes and we are always asked if we are sisters. We always reply yeah, twins.

I've also been asked more than once if I am Japanese.

Not to be flippant, but that's absolutely true.

MangoTiramisu Sat 28-Sep-13 08:28:41

According to most Chinese people, we caucasians all look the same. I haven't a clue how this works because I think we all look very different. I have lived in Asia for 15 years and I still cannot place a few nationalities. I would probably correctly place most Japanese, Korean, Cantonese, mainland Chinese, Malaysian, Philippino and Indonesian but this would be assisted by their clothes and actions, just like I can tell where most western expats I see are from based on their clothes and mannerisms. I still can't place someone Cambodian or Vietnamese though and have a hard time between some Korean and Japanese. I have lived in Singapore for 10 years and I still cannot tell the difference between a Singaporean and a Malaysian who is of Chinese ethnicity. I don't think that is racist. I really do think some of them look very similar.

As for us, I've had loads of HK'ers and Singaporeans tell me that we all look alike. Personally I can't comprehend why I, a small dark haired person look like a 5ft 10 blond swede, but apparently we all have round eyes and look the same.

So calling MdmeLindor a racist is a bit uncalled for TBH.

Well, I am rubbish in recognising people's ethnicity, that does not make me bigotted. Just crap at facial recognition.
Nor is MmeLindor wondering about whether that might be the case for Kenyans/Africans wrt of other peoples.

giveitago Fri 27-Sep-13 13:16:59

"It actually made me wonder if Kenyans (or Africans in general) are as hopeless at placing white/pale skinned people, as many westerners are at working out whether a person is eg from Korea or Japan.

Completely OT but this is really interesting."

Kenya, has been v. multicultural for many decades.

MariaLuna Thu 26-Sep-13 23:38:30

It actually made me wonder if Kenyans (or Africans in general) are as hopeless at placing white/pale skinned people, as many westerners are at working out whether a person is eg from Korea or Japan.

Oh, purlease.... talk for yourself.

You are insulting people all over the world. As well as being racist ("they can't tell the difference")

You should spend some time in Kenya..you'll soon know who comes from where. They know immediately where you are from anyway. Kenya has black, white, indian, mixed etc.
Whether you are in the country and are Sudanese, West or South African, African American, white or south American, they know...

Same in Asia. It's a continent.

And Europeans know too. I'm sure you can tell the difference between a Swede and a Greek?! ;-)
Hey! you have dark-haired Swedes and Blonde Turkish. (met both). And lots of mixed I'm sure.

I find your statement offensive and bigoted, sorry.

You should know better living in the country you do with 4 different languages anyway.

duchesse Thu 26-Sep-13 23:01:39

What I find remarkable if she really is involved is that she has apparently found it so easy to disappear from the radar. I wonder if the fact that she doesn't really fit the stereotypical profile of the Islamic militant that they didn't take her seriously enough to really focus on finding her? I mean she's been missing since 2005! They managed to find Osama Bin Laden in that time- imagine the security surrounding him! Although I imagine that Bin Laden had probably become an embarrassment and burden for the organisation and they shopped his whereabouts to the US security forces...

Oh feck, now Newsnight is talking about SL too!
It is just so difficult for me to follow what possesses people who follow a militant path, but I appreciate that that is at least partially due to the wonderful life I have lead and lead [confuse]hmmsad

GoshAnneGorilla Algeria Thu 26-Sep-13 12:32:32

Mme Lindor - disturbing, but not even slightly surprising. Apparently the male gaze is like that plant in Little Shop of Horrors, it must be fed constantly.

MmeLindor Germany Thu 26-Sep-13 10:26:46

Just seen on Twitter than the DM is reporting on the colourful underwear found at the house of the 'White Widow'

Yes, cause that is important news to report.

Yes, v creepy.

I suppose The Meedja by their very nature do aim to Inform the General Public, but really remain Whores to Sales grin.
The creepy thing is that clearly the frisson people are feeling wrt a British shock white shock woman shock being even linked to this attach, IS in fact selling papers/making people click on websites etc.

Nought as weird as folk... hmm

MmeLindor Germany Thu 26-Sep-13 09:21:24

Anyone else find it a bit disturbing that they publish the most glossy/seductive looking pics of the 'White Widow'?

boschy Thu 26-Sep-13 08:50:03

fair point gosh; but they have also covered the atrocity pretty widely.

GoshAnneGorilla Algeria Wed 25-Sep-13 23:51:18

I think it's more about the media finding the "White widow" story juicier then people being killed. Particularly as they then get to print attractive photos of the aforementioned women. Grim.

MmeLindor Germany Wed 25-Sep-13 23:14:51

It actually made me wonder if Kenyans (or Africans in general) are as hopeless at placing white/pale skinned people, as many westerners are at working out whether a person is eg from Korea or Japan.

Completely OT but this is really interesting.

boschy Wed 25-Sep-13 23:06:05

must admit I only caught a quick glimpse as was doing other stuff; I thought they both had quite strong features. Henna is the lady's name, she was educated in UK; dont know if someone heard her speaking english, noticed a relatively pale complexion, put 2 and 2 together and made 5?

MmeLindor Germany Wed 25-Sep-13 22:59:18

I was saying that as soon as it appeared on Twitter.

She looks like she has Indian or Pakistani heritage to me, certainly not white British/Irish.

Those 2 are not the same woman! No way.

MmeLindor Germany Wed 25-Sep-13 22:26:53

I found the pic

Here is a pic With Samantha superimposed on it.

I don't think they look alike. Other than they are both wearing a veil.

boschy Wed 25-Sep-13 22:19:22

yes mme same woman, but a slight similarity I thought.

MmeLindor Germany Wed 25-Sep-13 22:15:43

Boshy
Is that the woman who was all over Twitter? I saw that, and thought that the woman was clearly not Caucasian.

Pacific
It is very confusing. I though that there were thought to be more people trapped or held as hostages.

boschy Wed 25-Sep-13 22:00:23

re Samantha Lewthwaite. Sky News had an interview today with a woman, wearing a headscarf, who was apparently wrongly identified as SL because she had a slightly similar appearance. This from a photo of her helping a woman covered in blood...

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