Rolf Harris has been charged

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TensionWheelsCoolHeels Thu 29-Aug-13 11:55:40

Can't link as on phone but just got a news flash saying he's been charged with 9 counts of indecent assault, and 4 to do with indecent images.

JumpingJackSprat Thu 29-Aug-13 12:50:06

Yes theres charges but if being charged always meant guilty then there would never be any not guilty verdicts now would there?

NoComet Thu 29-Aug-13 12:52:28

I'm 45, so I was 14/15 around that time. Attitudes to teasing and flirting with teens have changed beyond all recognition.
The way some of our teachers behaved would have had many in jail today. Shop keepers, family friends, men working where you had your Saturday job, in fact men in general would eye up, cat call and flirt with any girl with boobs. Their was non of today's, is she 16 paranoia, unless they actually wanted full blown sex.

At that age I went out to disco's and got served in the local pub. I didn't even look particularly grown up.

Most DCs left school at 16 and many went straight to work.

We were probably not as sexually promiscuous in the sense of full intercourse (no condom machines), but we flirted hugged kissed and more. And because we met men at dances, in pubs and at young farmers events. Many of those men were 18-26ish not our peers.

Look back at Benny Hill, the Two Ronnie's any Saturday night 'family' sit com.

Yes things have got better for women in many ways, but we have lost a certain innocence, for want of a better word, in the way the sexes relate to each other.

Undoubtably, men used this relaxed atmosphere to cold and calculatingly, get away with assaulting girls they knew to be under age, but I feel others are being judged unfairly by today's rules. Today's rules are not the same.

DevastatedD0G Thu 29-Aug-13 12:53:46

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RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 29-Aug-13 12:55:18

Hello

Please be very careful not to say anything that could prejudice a fair trial.

Clargo55 Thu 29-Aug-13 12:56:15

And what about the creation of indecent images last year Star?

StillSeekingSpike Thu 29-Aug-13 12:57:13

I am a bit older than 45- and I couldn't disagree more. There were many men in those days who exploited, abused and assaulted girls and boys- knowing they would get away with it. The rules have always been the same- sex without consent is ASSAULT. It's just now men know they always have to be looking over their shoulders.
When I was at school, a parent of one of the girls found her diary where she'd written about her affair with a headteacher. When it go to court, the judge absolutely laid into her calling a fantasist ( and this guy was no fking prize, believe me).
But we all knew it was true. And one year later he started fking my friend, who was 15 at the time.

Clargo55 Thu 29-Aug-13 12:57:45

Sorry Rowan.

Onesleeptillwembley Thu 29-Aug-13 12:59:46

missbracegirdle it's more than possible the person you know wouldn't have known anything. So why you would look at them differently I haven't a clue. Sounds a bit hysterical. However your 'dh' has, by that comment, proved himself to be an apologist. Maybe you ought to be looking at him in a different way.

smallfaces Thu 29-Aug-13 14:01:26

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HeySoulSister Thu 29-Aug-13 14:05:28

I absolutely CAN believe this

And actually, as a child I always found RH too full on/eager to please.

nocarsgo Thu 29-Aug-13 14:06:40

Isn't "making indecent images" legal shorthand for downloading child porn?

m0nkeynuts Thu 29-Aug-13 14:13:32

"The "making" offence
Causing an indecent photograph of a child to exist on a computer screen is considered to be "making an indecent photograph of a child".
"A person who either downloads images on to disc or who prints them off is making them. The Act is not only concerned with the original creation of images, but also their proliferation. Photographs or pseudo-photographs found on the Internet may have originated from outside the United Kingdom; to download or print within the jurisdiction is to create new material which hitherto may not have existed therein." (R v Bowden (1999))"

From Wikipedia

member Thu 29-Aug-13 14:23:13

It can be nocarsgo, the making an image exist on a computer through downloading counts as does photographing or drawing.

Apart from discussing what the wording of the charges mean, I think any speculation puts a fair trial in jeopardy.

If internet forums are an accurate representation of wider society, it makes me absolutely despair at how lacking in knowledge the average person appears to be regarding the difference between being charged with an offence & being found guilty in a court of law.

member Thu 29-Aug-13 14:24:13

Sorry for cross post - delayed pressing post

Rooners Thu 29-Aug-13 19:18:28

He is in his 80s yes?

I can't help but wonder if this has something to do with it - perhaps he actually is losing his marbles.

Pan Thu 29-Aug-13 19:39:57

not sure at all about what you mean losing his marbles Rooners? Would/could that be mitigation in a finding of guilt?

a way of discussing these issues and probably staying the right side of being prejudicial is to discuss in generalities and not specifics. hth

Rooners Thu 29-Aug-13 19:45:24

I have no idea Pan.

It just occurs to me that a man who is 80 odd might be doing things as a result of a loss of cognitive function, more likely than a man in his 50s say.

Does that make sense?

Rooners Thu 29-Aug-13 19:46:21

Dementia in other words

I have zero info about the man in question though.

Pan Thu 29-Aug-13 19:53:10

oh sure Rooners - it feels like I am swiftly heading there meself.grin But that includes taking the wrong route in a car, wondering where the keys are when I am holding them in my hand.blush

Generally it doesn't include knowing where to go on the internet to access images of Latvian pig farming as I have v little interest in Latvian pig farming, for instance.

PurpleGirly Thu 29-Aug-13 19:59:49

starbunny I totally agree. Same age as you and was a large chested teen - often pinched and groped. Annoying but didn't ruin my life! Things were very different in then. However any abuse of a child is wrong.

Rooners Thu 29-Aug-13 20:05:36

Yes I see what you are saying Pan. One would need to be fairly far gone to want to look at latvian pig farming sites. It might also be difficult to establish a notable interest by mistake.

mignonette Thu 29-Aug-13 20:07:29

No, as a RMN and wife of a former RMN who managed a dementia unit, this is not a manifestation of the illness we recognise.

Rooners Thu 29-Aug-13 20:14:04

Ok. Sorry, forget I said anything. I am ignorant on the subject - sorry.

AmberLeaf Thu 29-Aug-13 20:16:31

He doesn't have dementia though does he? and the alleged offences were around 30 years ago when he was about 50 anyway. [I know 50 yr olds can have dementia, but he clearly didn't]

Pan Thu 29-Aug-13 20:22:49

Yes, generally many 'defences' and explanations are posited on stuff like this - clumsy fingers pressing the wrong keyboard key, it downloaded by accident when I was downloading something else, I really don't know about the internet etc.

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