Get the feeling Charles pushing Camilla as Queen?

(173 Posts)
bkgirl Wed 08-May-13 15:10:47

Fine, the Queen is elderly and needs to cut back.
Fine, Charles is stepping up.
Fine, Charles is with Camilla.
However, I feel he is pushing Camilla on to us as queen and frankly with the history of the whole thing....it's just not on. Diana was far from perfect (who is) but C&C manipulation of her, from the train carriage just before the wedding to the phonecalls from Britannia during the honeymoon - no. They used her for breeding and I just think to let Camilla become Charles Queen would make a lot of people who are quite royalist lose faith. I really think that's why the poor queen has hung on so long. She is wise. Thank goodness for William and Kate.

Camilla could be some sort of consort but nothing more. Frankly I do not trust Charles at all on this.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 10-May-13 13:26:24

I like Camilla. Along with the D of E, and Prince Harry, I think she's one of the ones who would be the most entertaining over a glass of something alcoholic. She will be the Queen when Charles is King, whatever they choose to give her as a title. And I hope she is called Queen, it may have been tactful not to give her Diana's former title, but after the divorce, Diana was never going to be Queen, so her death shouldn't affect the use of "Queen".

And in the only actual test that matters, William and Harry seem genuinely close to their father, happy he is happy, and perhaps fondness for Camilla? If you look at C&C's wedding pics, the princes seem very happy. If they approve, who else really should have any kind of a say?

And I don't think William would ever be happy to upset the natural order of things and want the crown to skip Charles. He comes across as too duty-conscious, much like HM.

Plus, it cannot have been easy for Charles, getting to an age where most people have retired and still not having the only job he'll get. All the wealth and luxury of course compensate, but he's been "in-waiting" his entire life. And I don't believe HM will ever abdicate, so he will continue to wait.

Of course, I don't know these people at all, but just my 2 cents' worth!

EldritchCleavage Fri 10-May-13 13:35:16

I know someone who has met Camilla, he was very impressed by her (and he isn't a royalist or easily impressed). Said she was v. nice.

Also, if Camilla is not made Queen Consort we shouldn't overlook the fact that this may because being Queen isn't what she wants, rather than a sop to the Diana fan-lobby. Being of a lesser status and involvement as a mere Princess Consort might suit the quite independent Camilla very well.

It is terrible that Camilla is being pushed onto us as Queen. She really should be voted in like all the other monarchs... Hold on...

Spidermama Fri 10-May-13 15:30:42

grin

I knew from the day Di died, Queen Camilla was on her way.

KittenofDoom Fri 10-May-13 16:10:21

Of course the style Princess Consort is more in the spirit of equality, given that male consorts have never been titled king. If they did adopt this style for Camilla, it would fit well with the new law on equal primogeniture.

MardyBra Fri 10-May-13 16:45:10

Am very intrigued to find out who Carpe is. Hopefully not Charlene of Monaco who seemed coerced into marriage after trying to run away.

bkgirl Fri 10-May-13 16:53:11

Will The Duchess become Queen when The Prince becomes King?

As was explained at the time of their wedding in April 2005, it is intended that The Duchess will be known as HRH The Princess Consort when The Prince of Wales accedes to The Throne.

http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/faqs?page=1

SconeRhymesWithGone Fri 10-May-13 17:02:53

"Known as" being the operative words here. She can be known as anything she or they want; she will still be queen, just as now she is Princess of Wales, but is known by another title.

EldritchCleavage Fri 10-May-13 17:03:33

Consorting Princess, perhaps, in a nod to their early relationship? After all, we mustn't whitewash the whole three in the marriage business...

bkgirl Fri 10-May-13 17:07:29

lol EldritchCleavage, well put!

CarpeVinum Fri 10-May-13 17:07:45

Hopefully not Charlene of Monaco who seemed coerced into marriage after trying to run away.

No. Far too old to be her. grin. And my royal was a more minor one. I married into an Asian royal family. In a place where you get thrown in the clanger if you even vuaguely insult the king. Think Yule Brinner (sp?)

EldritchCleavage Fri 10-May-13 17:12:45

One of Bhumibol's lot then?

MardyBra Fri 10-May-13 17:13:43

Ooooh. You're Deborah Kerr.

<starts singing> "Shall we dance, cha cha cha..."

CarpeVinum Fri 10-May-13 17:40:12

Bhumibol's lot

That's one house. My ex husband decends from another house. I think. Hang on I'll try and get this right...Ok at the end of The Banned Film, the new boy king stands up and tells everybody to stop flopping around on the floor in front of him. He has lots of kids. His first son produced the Bhumibol house, his second son produced the house I married into.

And I absolutly did not do a D. Kerr impression, cos I have seen inside the women's prison in bkk and didn't fancey returning as anything other than a visitor. grin They take lèse majesté slightly too seriously for my comfort levels over there.

Chubfuddler Fri 10-May-13 17:42:54

I've met her too. Very typical upper middle class county woman. Perfectly nice.

All the Diana hagiographers do remember she cheated too, yes?

MardyBra Fri 10-May-13 18:57:06

Do we need to curtsey in your presence Carpe?

CarpeVinum Fri 10-May-13 19:32:19

No love, I garnered from my fun years over there that the protocol in my presence is to wrinkle you nose a litle, sigh deeply and exchange meaningful looks (with an arched eyebrow, just the one mind) with the person nearest to you.

If you could just manage that I'm sure I'd feel I was getting my due respect grin

MardyBra Fri 10-May-13 19:42:05

Like this you mean ---> hmm

CarpeVinum Fri 10-May-13 20:09:40

Like that, but much posher.

Smother the fucker in silk and diamonds and it is a near enough facimile grin

bkgirl Fri 10-May-13 23:06:55

lol Carpe

tigerdriverII Fri 10-May-13 23:14:41

Let's just scrap the whole ludicrous anachronistic system and forget the entire boring lot f them.

bkgirl Fri 10-May-13 23:19:42

Er, I quite like Wills and Kate - maybe just skip on to them.... smile

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Fri 10-May-13 23:52:08

I actually quite admire Camilla. She got where she wanted to be in the end, quietly and with no fuss. She gets on with her role, quietly and with no fuss. No histrionics, no political statements!
Diana was a pawn. She ticked the boxes, Camilla didn't. I think they were ALL stupid and lead by tradition, when nowadays, a stand could have at least been attempted. And TBH I think Prince Charles is the most to blame out of all of them for the whole love triangle thing. He should have fought for Camilla, instead of marrying a naive young girl.
I'd be quite happy for Camilla to be Queen Consort.

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