Missing women found in Ohio

(151 Posts)
CogitoErgoSometimes Tue 07-May-13 06:29:30

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When the story of Natasha Kampusch broke in 2006 it seemed like a bizarre one-off. Since then we've heard about Jaycee Dugard and one or two others. Now three more missing women (possibly more) have been found at a place in Ohio seemingly having been held captive for many years. Good conclusion to a tragic story and makes you wonder if there's anyone in the UK, written off as missing, but being similarly held against their will. Thinking about the case of Claudia Lawrence, for example.

Moln Tue 07-May-13 22:41:55

there's a clip on the bbc news site where another neighbour ssid she was suspicious of the house. Her granddaughter saw a naked woman crawling in the yard, and there was a child seen in the attic window

KitKatShoes Tue 07-May-13 22:45:59

it is truly awful

SanityClause Tue 07-May-13 22:47:21

The neighbour was a star. He had to break through the door, to let her out. How many people wouldn't have wanted to get involved?

Booyhoo Tue 07-May-13 23:05:14

yes sanity! well done him. and of course the girl for having the guts to take that opportunity. her heart must have been pounding the whole time. she must have been so petrified that it would backfire and she would be 'caught' trying to escape or the risk that people would refuse to help, how devastating that would have been after her taking that leap to try.

KittenofDoom Tue 07-May-13 23:09:11

So she wasn't in any danger then. Well, as said above, the emergency operator can do no more than send the appropriate services as quickly as possible. Asking more questions would have only delayed things.

edam Tue 07-May-13 23:13:09

There were three other victims still in the house. So no, everyone was not safe.

LadyBeagleEyes Tue 07-May-13 23:17:32

This story is so utterly shock I have no words.

DoctorAnge Tue 07-May-13 23:27:34

The police brushed off a neighbours report that someone was in the house against their will. The police also visited the property numerous times. hmm sad

Booyhoo Tue 07-May-13 23:39:47

no kittenofdoom. the operator didn't even ask if she was safe or not. didn't ask if she needed medical help (after all the girl had just said she'd been kidnapped!)

asking those questions are important so that he can send the right emergency services!

she had to interupt him and tell him that a car needed to be sent straight away and not 'when one came free' as her captors might come back and there were other girls in the house!

all he had to say was "are you in a safe place" "do you need medical assistance"

she was the one in shock, trauma, fear, panic. you cant depend on someone in that situation to know what to ask for from the 911 operator. 911 operators should know the right questions to ask to get the vital information out. he didn't. thankfully she was able to get her message across despite his disinterest.

Booyhoo Tue 07-May-13 23:41:43

doctor that is very worrying! i hope questions will be asked about that! those poor girls. imagine knowing the police were right there in the next room to you/downstairs and not being able to shout out! sad

KitKatShoes Wed 08-May-13 00:35:49

Very very frightening.

SinisterBuggyMonth Wed 08-May-13 07:54:43

So three men have imprisoned these women and children for 10 years and the vitriol is being directed at the 911 operator for not being compassionate enough.

Only on Mumsnet....

tribpot Wed 08-May-13 08:12:57

I very much doubt it is only on Mumsnet where questions are being asked. The call is being reviewed by the police.

niceguy2 Wed 08-May-13 08:38:32

I just listened to the entire conversation using Tribpot's link and personally I can't see anything wrong with it. The only thing that's not clear to me is who put the phone down. It may well have been the girl who hung up.

It's easy to sit in our armchair and criticise the call operator for not asking this question or that. But when you are johnny on the spot, not so easy. According to the news article police were dispatched and on scene inside 2 minutes. I'd take that as a win personally. I bet if the situation was in the UK it would take substantially longer than 2 minutes to get police on scene.

To me the call operator sounded calm and professional. Sympathy? Maybe not but then she had a job to do and for all she knew it could have been a sick wind up. Her job was to dispatch the right help which arrived inside of 2 minutes. Job done in my mind.

Snazzynewyear Wed 08-May-13 08:55:24

Fair enough, if they got the police there in 2 mins that's a good response in my book.

I think the reason no-one's said anything about the men who imprisoned them is that it is very obvious. Complete scum who deserve the heaviest punishment possible. I would like to see them in a miserable jail for the rest of their lives. But again, I imagined that would be what most people think about this anyway.

There will certainly be questions about the police's previous visits to the house.

Booyhoo Wed 08-May-13 09:16:47

sinister- point out the vitriol?

and who said compassion? did I? no i haven't said he/she should have shown compassion or sympathy. i've said he/she didn't ask the right questions.

KingRollo Wed 08-May-13 09:27:16

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

WinkyWinkola Wed 08-May-13 09:30:19

I reckon there are many many people held like this.

Booyhoo Wed 08-May-13 09:33:07

job done. yes. no-one arguing with that. the police arrived and the girls are safe. job done properly by the operator? well that's yet to be decided.

deepfriedsage Wed 08-May-13 09:49:39

There was also the girl who shredded her skin breaking out through barbed wire. Lots of ladies and girls who escape.

CogitoErgoSometimes Wed 08-May-13 10:07:52

Do any of us live on a street where there is a rough-looking house with blacked-out windows? Would we report it to anyone if there was or would we think it was NOYB...?

Booyhoo Wed 08-May-13 10:15:47

blacked out windows i would (rightly or wrongly) assume drugs tbh. i probably would report it if i thought someone was keeping/growing/dealing drugs on my street. i dont think i'd be the only neighbour that would as it just wouldn't be normal for our street but i guess if you live in an area where drug use is high and houses aren't well maintained then maybe you stop noticing.

my last house was in a horrible council estate and drug raid were regular occurences. lots of houses boarded up but broken into by local kids and trashed. i did stop noticing tbh.

miemohrs Wed 08-May-13 10:36:05

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

niceguy2 Wed 08-May-13 10:37:44

job done properly by the operator? well that's yet to be decided.

Which part of her job was not done properly? Was she rude? No. The only thing I've heard is people saying "She should have asked x. Or said y"

I say judge the operator on the results. It sounds like at first the operator was going to send a unit "..when available" but then changed her mind when it became clearer and police arrived in 2 minutes. From where I looking, it sounds like the operator did their job correctly and promptly.

Like I said, it's easy to sit here now listening to the tape and saying Oh this should have been done or said. Not so easy when you are the one who has to make those split second, life or death decisions.

miemohrs Wed 08-May-13 10:40:10

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