I'm disgusted by Osbourne jumping on the Phillpott bandwagon created by the DM

(374 Posts)
aufaniae Thu 04-Apr-13 14:18:50

So, yesterday there was outrage after the pictures of dead children were used in the most cynical way by the Daily Mail to sell the idea that welfare "scroungers" are evil, with Phillpott branded a "vile product" of the benefit system by the DM.

What's our government's response today?

George Osborne, when asked about the claims, said a debate was needed about whether the state should "subsidise lifestyles like that". link

To add insult to injury, he was visiting Derby when he said this (which is where the children lived and died).

How fucking insensitive can you get? angry

Latara Thu 04-Apr-13 14:22:15

My first biscuit to George Osborne then.

BumpingFuglies Thu 04-Apr-13 14:22:42

YANBU. Predictable though, comes at a very convenient time.

Hope you are also ready for the predictable agreements from certain posters sad

Speechless at that tbh. It just keeps getting worse.

Latara Thu 04-Apr-13 14:25:11

Seriously, Philpott's anti-social behaviour started when he was working & in the Army - a fact that the DM etc have conveniently ignored.

He went AWOL from the Army to stab his partner (27 times!!) then got a 7 year sentence for the crime (served only half).

Can George Osborne also blame the Army, the knife shop & our crap prison sentencing for Philpott's behaviour?

MaryMotherOfCheeses Thu 04-Apr-13 14:25:40

Well, that's George Osbourne for you.

However much he's tries to come across as one of the lads I'm afraid he's always gonna be an arse.

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter Thu 04-Apr-13 14:26:30

No, YANBU - but I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell you why you are BU, and that is perfectly acceptable for Osborne to say things like that.

aufaniae Thu 04-Apr-13 14:27:15

What does he mean "subsidise lifestyles like that" anyway?

I would say the correct, human response would be to suggest solutions such as providing support for women and DCs stuck in situations like this, to get away from psychpatic people such as Phillpott.

Or to talk about what failed in the authorities' duty protection for these DCs from a violent, dangerous father.

How could anyone with an ounce of humanity use this as an excuse to talk about taking away the funding for these DCs? If they'd been left to starve, would that have gone any way to stop their psychopathic father killing them? Of course not!

Apparently Phillpott wanted the childrens' funeral fund to be paid to him. I see Osbourne as no better than this, or worse even. These poor children are dead, but Osbourne just wants their money. And not only theirs, but all children whose parents live "lifestyles like that" (whatever that means).

Talk about picking on those who have no voice.

Osbourne has sunk to a new low today.

Latara Thu 04-Apr-13 14:27:32

Also getting a job after a sentence for Attempted Murder can't be easy (strange, that).

I doubt any employers would have wanted to give Philpott a job and if they did then he would have been a rubbish employee by all accounts of his type of personality.

jennywren45 Thu 04-Apr-13 14:29:38

1) Ann Widdecombe found him three jobs which he declined to take.

2) How much more support for women like Mairaid do you mean? It's well documented that her family tried to help her to leave countless times and she refused.

TheBigJessie Thu 04-Apr-13 14:31:50

I am disgusted. If the existence of the welfare system is remotely relevant to an incident of a known perpetrator of domestic violence trying to revenge himself on the woman who left him, then I say that Francis Maude, of the "store petrol in a jerry can at home" comments, is undeniably responsible for this incident a few years back.

www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4230734/Horror-as-fuel-hoarder-Diane-Hill-is-torched.html

jennywren45 Thu 04-Apr-13 14:35:03

I do think some of you are missing the point.

That is that none of these children would have been, left to starve by a tighter welfare system but simply that most of them would probably never have been born ( and subsequently killed) under a tighter system.

Latara Thu 04-Apr-13 14:35:31

You mean he was actually offered 3 jobs when i nearly lost mine? (due to MH illness. I literally had to beg my Manager to keep me at work, and that only on part time reduced role for now).

Fucking hell life is so unfair.

Molehillmountain Thu 04-Apr-13 14:36:05

The Daily Mail story has managed to do what countless other experiences have-I've become politicised. I can't change things by voting where I live so I'm going to join the Labour Party. So for that I'm grateful and feel a bit pleased that they've achieved the polar opposite result from me than they'd presumably desire. George Osborne? Odious views.

Molehillmountain Thu 04-Apr-13 14:37:03

Sorry - countless other experiences haven't!

flippinada Thu 04-Apr-13 14:38:17

YANBU at all, but as others have mentioned, people will be along shortly to tell you you're wrong.

jennywren45 Thu 04-Apr-13 14:38:24

I think the Philpott story has crystallised lots of people's politics, molehill. Plenty for the Tories, though, judging by what I'm reading/who I'm talking to.

Latara Thu 04-Apr-13 14:39:01

The upsetting thing is that those kids were in bed & only 1 had proper nightwear on - one was in jeans, 2 in underwear, 1 in his school uniform bless him.

Yet Mick Phillpott had luxury goods (TV, Snooker table etc) downstairs.

My best mate has been TTC for 2 years - she'd never treat children that way.

It's not benefits that cause bad parenting - a working parent, WC or MC can be a domestic neglectful bully as we all know!

mercibucket Thu 04-Apr-13 14:39:06

If anyone poor commits a crime, it is due to their working class, chav nature. First rule of nob.

Lovelygoldboots Thu 04-Apr-13 14:42:56

Jennywren, those children were very real. You have not made a point. They died terrible deaths and the DM and Osborne are using that for their own ends. It chills me to the bone.

jennywren45 Thu 04-Apr-13 14:45:58

The loss of those children is beyond horrific but they died at their parents hands.

What motivated the murders ( and yes, I stand by that word) is what now concerns us.

Regardless of anything else, a member of our government should NOT be making ridiculous, inflammatory comments on a story that does not concern the government at all. Because it doesn't.
This story should never have had benefits added into the equation. It is a massive red herring that journalists are using to fuel their own agenda, in the most sickening way possible.

Philpott would have had that many children whether he could afford it or not, because he was a psychopath who had more and more children to feed his own ego.
But no. Because there's an agenda to push about the terrible benefit scroungers stealing all the hard-working taxpayers' money, the benefit system is entirely to blame for what happened.
FFS. How can people be so fucking stupid as to believe this tripe?

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 04-Apr-13 14:46:29

You know, if I was a tinfoil hat-wearing type, I'd say that the Phillpott trial had been scheduled for this week, the week that all of the benefit cuts have been announced....

aufaniae Thu 04-Apr-13 14:47:07

jennywren "I do think some of you are missing the point.

That is that none of these children would have been, left to starve by a tighter welfare system but simply that most of them would probably never have been born ( and subsequently killed) under a tighter system."

Really? You actually believe that?

It is you that's missing the point.

Six children have been killed. You have no way of knowing if they would have existed or not if state help didn't exist. That's pure conjecture. Yet you are using the horrible death of these children to push a political agenda, same as the DM and Osbourne.

And your answer to this horrible tragedy is try to to stop all poor people having kids, and to push those who do exist into poverty? Nice one hmm

This man didn't kill his kids because he was on benefits. He did it because he was a psychopath.

Shame on you.

RafflesWay Thu 04-Apr-13 14:48:17

Pity a white slave trader couldn't have carted him off to some hellhole where he could have made use of his "high sex drive". Vile Piece of human garbage but nothing to do with living on benefits. He was just as vile when he was serving in the army by the sounds of things. Also there are many high earning,hard working but vile creatures when off duty.

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