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Tory scum about to unleash a sh*tstorm of destructive policies over Easter - who wants to bet on riots?

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ttosca Fri 29-Mar-13 00:17:20

The 'Bedroom tax', Universal Credit, and various other welfare and public service cuts to be implemented in the coming weeks and months.

Tens of thousands of people will be utterly f**ked by this government. What do you think is going to happen?

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/28/benefit-cuts-monday-defines-government

The last time the Conservatives had a majority was 20(?) years go. Who wants to bet they'll never have one again?

niceguy2 Wed 03-Apr-13 17:15:31

Yes I did Aufaniae. But I don't think one officer's opinion should be taken as representative of the entire force. Probably more likely to be locker room banter than anything else.

Besides which, unless you are a deficit denier then you accept that cuts must be made somewhere. And thankfully we have made cuts before we ended up like Greece, Spain, Portugal and Cyprus. There'd definitely be riots then when our country goes bankrupt through a lack of action rather than through any intentional malice.

To me this is the equivalent of the kids kicking off at the parents whom are trying to get a handle (finally) on their debts. But the truth is that unless they make the painful choices now, someone else will come along later and force even worse choices upon them.

And to put it all into perspective, so far all the coalition have managed is to slow the rate of increase of our welfare system. They haven't really been able to make any real term cuts at all, despite their spin to the contrary.

GrowSomeCress Wed 03-Apr-13 16:07:47

niceguy2 this thread seems to be like a left-wing version of the daily mail

aufaniae Wed 03-Apr-13 15:57:03

niceguy2 did you read my post about what my family member who's a WPC said?

Personally I don't think there will be riots yet, but if the Tories plans continue as published I think it's very likely indeed.

Have you forgotten the Poll Tax?

Chipstick10 Wed 03-Apr-13 15:30:44

Frightening isn't it!!

niceguy2 Wed 03-Apr-13 15:15:07

who wants to bet on riots?

Not seen any riots yet. I sincerely doubt there will be.

As for the rest of the thread. It makes the Daily Mail sound reasonable.

I agree with your comments and whilst people are worrying about a roof over their heads, food and clothing, the rich get richer......

ssd Mon 01-Apr-13 19:23:46

to me the worst bit in all of this is the removal of legal aid

so if you do decide you have a case to fight with the bedroom tax, problems with unfair employers, disputes with neighbours,pretty much any problem...the TOUGH

...either represent yourself or pay for a private lawyer hmm...as if

awful choice, as in no choice at all

just take it up the arse and shut up about it

MiniTheMinx Mon 01-Apr-13 11:51:50

Yep screwing the country over while they inspire right wing nationalism. Telling us that we must dig a little deeper to save the country while they sell off the NHS and chunks of welfare provision to American health companies and the likes of Atos. And those on the right wonder why some of us get a bit narked.

lottieandmia Mon 01-Apr-13 10:42:21

I'd say what is really going on is 'divide and rule'. They turn people against each other while they get on with screwing the country up.

aufaniae Mon 01-Apr-13 08:31:33

"This is not a theoretical discussion. People are going to die because of these policies."

Sadly, very true.

There will also be massive damage to our society, through the breaking up of communities and impoverishing of so many people, especially children.

What kind of future are we "investing" in?

aufaniae Mon 01-Apr-13 08:27:49

One of my family members is a serving Police Officer. She said to me (before the last election) that lots of police prefer it when the Tories are in as there is more civil unrest, meaning more overtime for them. Many of the police working at the time of the Poll Tax managed to make big inroads into their mortgage debts for example on the back of all the overtime.

Actually this government has managed to piss even the police off, and IIRC police overtime now no longer works as it did before.

However it was an interesting insight IMO.

Welfare (and the NHS) is paid by NI contribitions and current runs at a £2bn yearly surplus - this money is invested or loaned to the government.

It is protected by statute and the money may not be used for any other purpose.

What is the point of the government cutting welfare? Any savings cannot go into the general budget except by means of a loan which must be repaid. What is really going on?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Mon 01-Apr-13 08:20:41

But they are poor people, lazy scroungers, a drain on society, so that's OK...

lottieandmia Mon 01-Apr-13 00:31:31

Foil hat? Yeah right...

I totally agree mini and ttosca, thank god some people speak sense on here. This is not a theoretical discussion. People are going to die because of these policies.

ttosca Mon 01-Apr-13 00:21:20

For chrissake.

The Tories are privitising the NHS and dismantling the welfare state. They are wrecking lives and bringing misery to thousands of families across the UK.

I make absolutely no apologies for calling them UTTER CONTEMPTIBLE SCUM.

It's insane that a politician can destroy people's lives and kill people and the only thing that some people can bring themselves to do is to complain about being 'rude' or insulting them.

Get some perspective, for God's sake.

motherhen1949 Sun 31-Mar-13 23:31:36

You wouldnt have many labour MPS left would you if they did that

And i am not suggesting that the left should turn right but if the lefts only arguments are you have all been brainwashed by the DM,tory sucm and tory toffs it makes the left seem fringe and a little bit out there

Bringing along you have all been brainwashed to a serious debate usually turns people off and makes them want to pass you your foil hat back

MiniTheMinx Sun 31-Mar-13 23:05:56

The corporates and the wealthy want to break up the welfare state. They set up think tanks soon after Roosevelt's new deal, so circa 1930s because they had been made to contribute too much in tax and invest in creating work. They own the media, TV and most of the university tenures in places like the U.S are sponsored by private business. Of course the people want right wing politics........they have been brain washed. Doesn't mean the left should start adopting right wing policies. It means we have to fight harder.

I agree that labour should turf out their toffs grin

motherhen1949 Sun 31-Mar-13 22:22:25

And i think also the left need to drop this tory toffs thing as majoty of labour MPs are now from the same types of background and send there children to very nice private schools

motherhen1949 Sun 31-Mar-13 22:18:31

lottieandmia i already said that when people watched the last roits most people thought its was simply spolit brats being greedy

What i was trying to say is that people on welfare rioting will not really envoke sympathy in many and it will look like moaning about welafres many dont think people deserve.

Weather you agree or not giving people more walfare dosenot play out well and the perseption rightly or worngly is that people have had it to good for to long

I personally have not come on here to share my personal circumstance on a open forum i just putting a view across that on middle class mumsnet the left may have it but on welfare and immragtion the right have it in the county as a whole thats why i pointed out the left eg Labour and been leaning ever more to right because they know the public Wants a reduction or a least a reduction in welfare what ever is said on here.

darkesteyes if you think people on welfare rioting would play well in the press then fair dues its not my View the last few protests have quickly turned violent often hijacked and the people that were interviewed looked like moaning minies quite spoilt

LineRunner Sun 31-Mar-13 22:02:30

News headlines - 'churches speak out against welfare changes'.

lottieandmia Sun 31-Mar-13 21:47:24

Nobody needs to read the Mail anymore to be brainwashed by tory propaganda.

Redbindy Sun 31-Mar-13 21:22:33

Us oldies don't all read the DM, I'm quite happy with the Telegraph. I'm not sure about roits, riots on the other hand make good spectator sport.

MiniTheMinx Sun 31-Mar-13 21:13:52

Well then maybe we need to be finding ways of wrestling those copies of the Daily fail off the oldies and getting their attention grin

We could have them all out throwing their walking sticks at Scameron.

lottieandmia Sun 31-Mar-13 21:10:52

They won't reverse Universal Credit, when you consider how much money it costs to implement a new system like that.

I think the question is what will the tories do next if they get a majority in 2015? I've heard rumours that they will start on pensioners next.

Darkesteyes Sun 31-Mar-13 20:57:08

Even if there were roits it really wouldnt go down well with the public

Yes mother hen it didnt go down well when it was the poll tax either.....oh wait hmm

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