A fourteen year old girl has been killed...

(438 Posts)
JustGiveMeFiveMinutes Wed 27-Mar-13 10:42:02

...mauled to death by four dogs.

RIP

TheNebulousBoojum Wed 27-Mar-13 13:23:52

Here's a lovely picture of bull mastiffs. Fancy your chances against two?
www.bodaciousbullmastiffs.co.nz/Photos/Bodacious%20Bullmastiff%20Team%20September%202009.jpg

Owllady Wed 27-Mar-13 13:25:45

I think anyone would have been overwhelmed by them though if they were that aggressive and out of control

In an ideal world it would be far more difficult to breed or acquire a dog, compulsory micro chipping and training classes and the like, but it just seems to me like nothing ever changes

Owllady Wed 27-Mar-13 13:26:05

and sorry, I meant to say that poor girl sad

duchesse Wed 27-Mar-13 13:26:32
5eggstremelychocaletymadeggs Wed 27-Mar-13 13:28:42

I saw this on the news, she must have been terrified sad

Awful. And I don't think many people would stand a chance against four dogs attacking in a pack like that.

Poor girl, RIP Jade xx

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Wed 27-Mar-13 13:40:47

That is good article and I tend to agree.

With some exceptions I think I this mostly that some breeds attract a certain sort of owner, as opposed to some breeds being intrinsically vicious.

I also agree with the article in that it is ridiculous that the dangerous dogs act does not cover attacks on private land.

That's an excellent and measured article, duchesse.

The majority of Mastiff and Staffie owners I know are responsible - training their dogs to a high standard and very far from the 'status dog' owners who give us all a bad name, whatever breed we have.

I would not be comfortable around the dogs belonging to an irresponsible owner.

Cheddars Wed 27-Mar-13 13:47:33

It's worrying that Pit bulls are unknowingly being passed off as Staffies. I'm considering a rescue dog at some point and that would definitely put me off a Staffie. sad

Branleuse Wed 27-Mar-13 13:53:42

Its both owners AND dogs

Why the fuck anyone would want or need FOUR dogs. Thats a pack.

I do have a beautiful 13 year old staffie who is WELL TRAINED and the gentlest best behaved dog i have ever known, and regularly get comments on how good she is.

I know other staffies who are a menace by stupid owners, who with the best of intentions, are shit owners. its not always malice, its just not realising how much goes into having a good dog. A staffie who gets walked in the park by a nice enough guy who loves his dog, kills squirrels, tried to maul a smaller dog and actually properly raped my friends border collie male puppy.
He muzzles it now, but it has zero recall and as far as im concerned, is a terrible accident waiting to happen. Other dogs in the park just seem nuts. Really crazy.
Stick to bloody guinea pigs or kittens if you havent got it in you to put effort into training dogs

Its not the breed of dog, its the fucking idots who can just buy a dog like its an object.

wannaBe Wed 27-Mar-13 13:55:03

"and also why someone thought it was a responsible thing to do leaving a child alone with what was essentially a pack of dogs, while she was eating." I don't think you can class a fourteen year old as a child in those terms in the same way you wouldn't leave a toddler alone with dogs iyswim. As I see it, on the whole one of the reasons why it isn't recommended to leave young children alone with dogs is because children can be just as unpredictable. For dogs to turn without warning is in fact incredibly rare, and I would have no qualms about leaving my ten yo in the same room as my two dogs (lab retriever crosses), but I might not have when he was say four, because if he had tormented one of the dogs and been bitten thenit would be something that could have been prevented iyswim.

But four dogs who are that powerful would be able to kill an adult. Esp mastiffs are incredibly powerful dogs and could do quite a bit of damage. I imagine only time will tell what really happened, whether the dogs were known to be agressive, whether they were familliar with the child (was it the family home?) or whether she was staying with friends/family where dogs didn't know her, etc etc.

It is tragic when anything like this happens, however I do think that we need some perspective. According to a woman on the news just now there have been seven deaths in the past eight years. In fact one of the reasons why this story is headline news is because deaths from dog attacks are so incredibly rare. And yet when a dog kills someone we get the knee jerk calls for banning of certain breeds/revisiting the dangerous dogs act/dog licencing to be re-introduced etc etc. Any deth is one too many, but deaths are in fact incredibly rare in the scheme of things.

In fact more people are bitten by golden retrievers than any other breed, are there calls for those to be banned? no of course not.

I don't like mastiffs or staffies and I was bitten by a mastiff when I was a child. But I do think the calls for them to be banned etc is a bit hysterical. Far more children are killed in and by cars than dogs. And yet we don't get this hysteria when a child is killed by a car, why is that? oh yes, it's because children being killed by cars are no longer newsworthy becauseit happens so regularly.

If this family knowingly kept agressive dogs then they should have been brought to account, equally any dog that bites should be destroyed. but I'm not sure that individual cases warrant the public hysteria that follows - each incident should be dealt with individually

Callisto Wed 27-Mar-13 13:56:35

Agree Owllady - bring back dog licensing coupled with compulsory microchipping and enforce it.

Callisto Wed 27-Mar-13 14:00:19

Branleuse - killing squirrels is a positive surely?

higgle Wed 27-Mar-13 14:04:14

This is so very , very sad. No one in their right mind would leave a 3 year old with an dog, but a girl of 14 is the size of an adult. There were 3 dogs pictured in the press today and one was an American Bulldog, one was a Bull Masstiff and the other was said to be a Staffie, but certainly did not look 100% Staffie to me.

I am particularly saddened as I own a Staffie, one of the many older dogs left without a home for a very long time because no one wants them, and he is a lovely gentle dog. We have owned 5 dogs at different times, a Collie Cross, a Dachshund, a PBGV and 2 Staffies, the 2 Staffies are the only ones never to have bitten any of us.

We are now back to the situation where people will cross the road when they see us out on a walk, already today I have had a funy look at work when a vistor asked what sort of dog I had ( after admiring her border terrier) .

This case seems to bear some similarities to the one of the lady who died in Morden a few months back when she had gone to feed her daughter's 4 dogs.
I think a pack of bull breeds needs very careful handling and is inadvisable.

JustGiveMeFiveMinutes Wed 27-Mar-13 14:05:00

wannabe

Yes, deaths are rare and as you said, one death is one too many. However, attacks on people and other dogs are not rare. That's why these dogs have to be banned. I don't think it's hysterical or knee-jerk to suggest that. I don't think it's fair to dismiss this girls death in such a casual fashion.

It's ironic that the town where Jade died is also the home of the regional centre for Guide Dog training. The attacks on guide dogs, many of which involve bull breeds is terrifying.

As far as I know, there have been no attacks by labradors on staffies and bull mastiffs.

Well, only a tiny, tiny proportion of dog on dog attacks are reported, JustGive, so I don't think anyone can reliably say there are no Labs out there attacking Staffies.

Really, really tough legislation is what's needed. A dog licence large enough to be meaningful, absolutely no breeding whatsoever without a specialised licence (including welfare checks on a regular basis and details of who each puppy has been sold on to), compulsory microchipping and training.

GetOeuf Wed 27-Mar-13 14:11:37

That poor dear girl. I can't imagine how terrifying that must have been for her. It is a horrible thing to have happened.

Yes the dogs are a problem but the big problem is having thick, aggressive morons who own them and delight in geeing them up to behave in a territorial manner.

I agree that the owner should be charged with manslaughter. You can't do anything with the dogs (thankfully they have been killed) but people should understand that there are consequences for having dogs like this and treating them so they behave in such a way.

HarrietSchulenberg Wed 27-Mar-13 14:14:38

ACtually it IS the owners. Someone has chosen to breed and keep 5 dogs who are capable of killing a person in one house.

HeySoulSister Wed 27-Mar-13 14:16:02

Do theses dogs sort of fall into step together then? How does a 'pack' operate? It's chilling to think it was coordinated/organised between all the dogs.... Do they communicate? This might sound silly of me but we watched 'the grey' at the weekend and it stayed with me! Now this. Poor poor Jade.

GetOeuf Wed 27-Mar-13 14:16:29

Presumably those owners cannot be charged with anything under existing law. Which makes a hideous thing even worse - there are no consequences for keeping 5 dogs of such breeds and enabling them to behave in this way, and there should be.

TheNebulousBoojum Wed 27-Mar-13 14:18:14

But they could just as easily be happy, loved family pets. Not evil devil dogs.
That's the problem, the potential is always there and death is more likely an outcome if the dog is large, or if more than one dog takes part.

Floristneedsaname Wed 27-Mar-13 14:20:32

The owner should be hung out to dry.

If there was an effective licence system, with a hefty cost of purchase, it could be designed to ensure that no one kept what in this case is a pack of dogs.

It'd be super easy to whistle blow on the dickhead element that buy these breeds, specifically to look right hard hmm.

SnuffleTheDog Wed 27-Mar-13 14:22:22

Poor girl, twatty owners and I hope they get charged. Sad for the dogs aswell having owners like that and they turned out how they did.

OP a Lab bit my SBT quite badly. My dog just cowered on the floor while the owner laughed his head off as his dog chewed on my dogs thigh, until I booted his dog that is and then he decided I was the one who was unreasonable and my dog must have provoked his because mine is a SBT, wanker.

It's down to the owner to realise the potential and take steps to keep themselves and visitors/family members safe.

When I was a teenager I babysat for a little boy whose Dad bred and rescued a large breed dog. Lovely, well-behaved dogs who i'd seen doing agility and training etc. He still shut them in the kennel area when I went round as they didn't know me that well. He knew the breed and was sensible about how they might view an occasional visitor to the house alone with the DS.

Cheddars Wed 27-Mar-13 14:23:08

I wonder why there's so little information in the news?

maisiejoe123 Wed 27-Mar-13 14:23:34

I have a large dog and a large house. When she isnt around the house DOES seem smaller. What on earth is anyone doing in a small house with so many dogs. We need really tough laws around the sort of people having dogs like this. Dont have any real answers i.e do they require a license, a test to pass for certain breeds....

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