Should childhood vaccinations be compulsory?(27 Posts)
64 new measles cases have been reported in the Swansea area in the last week, taking the outbreak to 316 with 42 hospitalised. In total, 111 secondary and primary schools and nurseries have now been affected.
Public Health Wales says it is only a matter of time before a child is left with serious and permanent complications or even dies.
Should childhood vaccinations be made compulsory to wipe out these dreadful diseases? What is more important - a parent's right to choose what is done to their child or a child's right to protection against deadly diseases?
practically all compulsory medical procedures in past have ended badly either medically or morally, some they knew were wrong at time other times they thought it might be right but turned out not to be
compulsory sterilisation /abortion still happen in some parts of the world ot is considered a human rights issue, while I have DD vaccinated and hate the pseudo science that is mistakenly called research I am totally against compulsory vaccination or other types
the vast majority of evidence shows water fluoridation is hugely beneficial but I would also be against it being compulsory though as a dentist I deal daily with problems that simply would not occur if fluoridation was common practice
Vaccinations are voluntary. It's because consecutive governments have recognised that force is seldomn a good idea.
If you don't like it.....
yes, with the exception of medical reasons - there are some children for whom vaccination is too high a risk, and they are the ones who need to be protected by everyone else.
not for religious reasons, which are as stupid as 'I read it on google so it must be true', or anyone who believes conspiracy theories or uses the words 'big pharma'.
don't like it? Well, you know where the door is.
What smudging said. Are we about to see familiar quotes from "anonymous" in the DM tomorrow?
Well thank fuck its not your call.
And people being detained in secure wards and compulsorily medicated is hardly humanities most shining moment.
Well, you aren't a politician presumably so you don't have the right anyway. But I think belief in woo-woo should be trumped by public health considerations, and politicians should be brave enough to tackle this. It's not as though there is no compulsion in medical treatment as things stand now - for eg people diagnosed with severe MH conditions can be detained in secure wards and compulsorily medicated because healthcare professionals deem it to be in their own and the public's interest.
No it isnt Wallinson. Every state has exemptions. Either religion, philisophocal or medical. Novaccine damage isnt common but it exists (read the inserts) and if you make them compulosry you'd be liable for millions.
But anyway, parental choice. One of my children cannot be vaccinted but no way would I insist anyone else vaccinate their kids. I have no right to do so.
Yes, because 'vaccine damage' is so common.
And vaccination is a condition of starting school in the US. Ditto in Australia.
No Govt would because they'd have to pay out millions for vaccine damage when it occured and they dont want to do that. Thats why medication isnt compulsory. Even in the US.
Thing is, it isn't just about the question of 'a child's right to protection' but all children's right to protection. Because vaccinations work on a herd immunity principle, by not vaccinating you are putting the population at risk. So yes, they should be compulsory, other than for medical reasons. It happens in other countries. I wouldn't allow an exception for religious reasons either; why should the public's health be compromised because someone has a belief in the supernatural?
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is there any information on the vaccination status of those affected in Swansea?
not in a 'the rate int he area is lower than usual/needed for herd immunity' kind of way, but in a solid, '90% (or whatever) have had their mmr' kind of way.
because until that information is known, discussing whether to force people to vaccinate is a little beside the point, isn't it?
I think vaccinations should be compulsory to attend school. It works that way in other countries. Religious and rare health exceptions should be accepted.
^ Currently, adverse reactions, or effects that appear to parents to be adverse reactions, are not properly monitored and researched - they are swept under the carpet and dismissed as "coincidence" without proper scientific investigation to determine whether or not this is actually the case.
This isn't remotely true, of course. There is no big conspiracy.
and I'm very pro vaccine.
but I think people need to be able to make sensible decisions based on proper unbiased facts.
good god no!
I vaccinate but no! scary suggestion
Yes, if we strung up all the "science reporters" who publish scare stories without the faintest understanding of the science behind them, the national level of ignorance would be improved hugely.
And we could try educating people in science while they are at school so that they understand why certain things count as probably-true and others as probably-bogus rather than focussing on telling them "this is true because the textbook says so", which ignores the fact that they go out of school and into the real world and believe things because "Google says so", without having the skills to weigh up the available facts.
But on the OP - no, vaccinations should never be made compulsory, any more than other medical procedures (apart from very occasionally to directly save a life). Patients, and parents, need to be allowed to exercise their own choices in what is done to them, or their child.
I like Whitegold's idea about science "reporters" though.
I'm very pro- vaccination but compulsory vaccination? Absolutely not!!
What I would like to make compulsory however is that so-called "science correspondents " in the media actually have the appropriate background and qualifications to report on science matters, particularly health concerns. The tabloids in particular just love a good scare story and take no responsibility over poor and dangerous reporting.
I don't think compulsory - but I do really really struggle with lots of people's reasoning not to vaccinate. I think there is quite allot of misconception about the actual risks of the diseases compared with risk of vaccine - I agree that education is key - and that if you have seen the consequences of mumps, measles, meningitis first hand, and accept that not vaccinating carries real risk then uptake would be higher.
Like peanut said, you have to take into account the fact that some people do have adverse reactions, even if that is rare.
Better PR campaigns to convince parents the vaccines really are generally safe would help, as would more objective, scientific research into what causes actual/perceived adverse reactions, and how they might be avoided. Currently, adverse reactions, or effects that appear to parents to be adverse reactions, are not properly monitored and researched - they are swept under the carpet and dismissed as "coincidence" without proper scientific investigation to determine whether or not this is actually the case.
I personally feel that allowing single jabs of the live vaccines (MMR) - the ones most likely to cause adverse reactions - would also help overall uptake.
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no, ridiculous idea. Parents who don't vaccinate usually have very valid reasons for not doing so.
And where do we draw the line at compulsory vaccinations - mmr (well rubella certainly carries risks to pregnant women (or unborn babies) measles does carry risks but the fact we are quoting figures of 316 and as yet no serious complications or worse speaks volumes as to just how "deadly" it really is, mumps - there is some argument for not vaccinating against that as there is no guarantee of lifelong immunity and mumps caught later in life is far more dangerous. What about chicken pox - a usually mild illness and only recently has the hysteria over it's deadlyness seemed to appear - any illness can develop complications but just because one in a million die from it doesn't mean the other 999999 are at risk, flu, well for the most part people recover from that and those who have underlying complications are offered vaccines.
IMO we are over vaccinating our children. Fwiw I did vaccinate against mmr but chicken pox and flu vaccines every year etc are just excessive IMO unless there are clear medical reasons for needing to do so.
Perhaps if they can 100% guarantee that not even ONE child would suffer any form of reaction to the vaccine or that at no point in the future would it ever be discovered that there was a problem with the vaccine...
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